KIKAY KORNER

babyfat · Aug 15, 1999, 08:14 PM

different people have different views about makeup. some call it a tool for oppression, some call it loads of fun. i think it can be either, depending on why you put it on, how it makes you feel, how you feel without it, and many other considerations. I for one enjoy it because it feels like a toned-down imitation of a tribal face-painting ritual which i find exotic and beautiful; and also, when I dress up my body for a big event, I want a face to match. Now, I'm not talking about heavily applied warpaint, but maybe a little mascara and some tinted gloss for the lips, or even smoky eyeshadow once every now and then. So let's trade views on makeup (like, is makeup good, bad, or neither?) and even kikay tips if you have any.

Aragorn · Aug 15, 1999, 08:24 PM

babyfat: unfortunately, I don't have any kikay tips! =)

From this guy's perspective, make-up is great, for as long as it higlights what is natural, and doesn't turn something into what it isn't.

For as long as the make-up complements the event, go ahead! Just make sure you don't have too much! What I don't like about make-up is when you're already trying too hard...I've seen older women with make-up a couple of millimeters thick! I mean, why don't we just grow old gracefully?

Oh yeah...I like that idea of yours about make-up being ceremonial paint...unique! So, maybe next time we have a pow-wow, you'll have some foundation and mascara ready for the ceremony! =)

babyfat · Aug 15, 1999, 08:32 PM

Thanks, Aragorn! It's nice to get a guy's point of view.

Mavi · Aug 15, 1999, 10:43 PM

Even after college, I still don't know how to use makeup. Lipstick and face powder I can handle. But eyeshadow? I don't know about that but what I do have are under eyeshadows!
I think makeup is okay so long as it is used to highlight your features. And it wouldn't be nice naman if you went to a formal function, signature gown and all, without make-up.

I just dread going to weddings because of the make-up issue. I'd run to the nearest salon! However, make-up artists scare me. My greatest fear about entrusting my do on Madame is coming out looking like some Kabuki Queen. What salons would you suggest for make-overs?

And for daily applications, is masacara really necessary?

babyfat · Aug 16, 1999, 12:33 AM

mavi: mascara for everyday use is definitely not a good idea. actually, i rarely even use it when i got out on weekends or dates, because when i do, it all ends up under my eyes in 30 minutes. i can't really recommend any salons, because i hate salons! the last time i had my makeup done in a salon was for a wedding and i ended up looking like a geisha. but since you like face powder, can you recommend a good brand that treats the face kindly but doesn't cost an arm and a leg? i like clinique's face powder but it's too, too pricey. and johnson's face powder gives me a rash.

Cy · Aug 16, 1999, 11:00 PM

hi mavi! try going to fanny serano at greenhills and look for ogie or odie i forgot... or at jessie mendez..look for Ronnie (tutuban)... =)

ChiQui · Aug 17, 1999, 10:33 AM

Normally, girls use make up to enhance their features. Some put on excessively, most just right. In my opinion, girls should only use natural make up. I really don't like girls wearing black lipstick and others of the like for everyday use. However, if the occasion calls for it, then go ahead. =)

Mavi · Aug 17, 1999, 07:23 PM

babyfat:

My skin isn't at all sensitive and so anything goes for me. You might want to try VMV Hypoallergenics. My tita always insists that we buy this brand for we visit her in the States.

My dad prefers that women wear make-up. He says they look a lot more classier when they do. He says he's proud to show off his wife---all made up for him. Aaaww...

glass house · Aug 26, 1999, 11:48 AM

Mavi...
Too much make-up is definitely a big no no!!! Face powder, a bit of shimmer in the lids and lips are better. stick to earth colors. It looks natural. But believe me, less is always better, at least when it comes to make-up.

Does anyone want a good haircut? Go to the Mezzanine Salon at Milelong sa Amorsolo, Makati. Look for Paulie. He does wonders!

vega · Aug 26, 1999, 07:09 PM

makeup should be used to enhance your features. how dark or how light your make up is should depend on the activity that you're going to. i agree with mavi that it would look funny if you're all dressed up in a gown and have no makeup on.

mascara can be used daily if you use those waterproof ones. one coat should be enough though. if you don't want to use mascara everyday, just make sure to curl your lashes daily with one of those eyelash curler contraptions because they make the eyes look bigger.

this isn't really a "makeup" tip but one of the best things i've done to my face is get my eyebrows fixed. clean up the the stray hair around the natural shape of the eyebrows. have the eyebrows shaped (not SHAVED! too thin eyebrows are not nice)... it opens the eyes and does wonders to your face. some parlors actually offer this service (in the form of threading, waxing, etc) try it and let me know what you think.

Mavi · Aug 26, 1999, 07:32 PM

Thanks glasshouse and vega. I'll keep your suggestions in mind. Just to give you an idea of how careless i am as to where appearances are concerned: I have an upcoming conference and I was adviced to do something about my severe hairstyle. I never knew I looked that bad! Maybe a visit at the Mezzanine could do me wonders...

glass house · Aug 27, 1999, 10:53 AM

Just tell Paulie what you want done to your hair. But if you don't have any idea of what you exactly want, ask him for suggestions. You'll be happy with the results. If not, lunch is on me.

harley quinn · Jan 24, 2000, 07:03 AM

I prefer light, natural, almost a no-make-up look for everyday wear. I think the goal of putting on make-up should be to enhance one's features---underplaying what you don't like about your face and enhancing whatever it is you think is your asset.

By the way, does anyone have tips for preventing mascara to smear? And, which foundations are best for Asian complexion?

blue babe · Jan 24, 2000, 11:21 AM

mavi: me rin.. i used to be a no make up at all kinda girl.. until i started working. and then, i spotted girls without make up in thework place.. ang yuky tingnan... didn't want to look like that. so i had to learn... basics lang though...

my make up basics
- moisturizer (to prevent wrinkles and help set your face powder, i'd recommend the yellow stuff from clinique or the moisturizer of clean and clear)
- face powder- the best i've used so far (best means good coverage and great price) is from acmedica (you can buy this at PCX in glorrieta 1) cheap lang, P175 per compact and the coverage is great! and it looks like you don't have anything on... parang natural lang.

now if you really want to splurge, try le clerc's banane... they say its the secret of the stars.... pero the price is prohibitive.. P1200 per compact. you can buy this in rustans...
- blush in earth tones
- lash curler, no mascara
- lip moisturizer and sheer lipstick or tinted lip moisturizer (blistex liptone is okay..)

but for big events.. ah, eh, i leave that to the experts. with close supervision and explicit instructions that I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE PATTY BAKER.

KABUKI QUEEN?! LOL there actually someone in school na ganun... wawa naman siye... either kabuki queen and tawag or powder... para kasing she uses flour as face powder eh...

mascara for everyday? i don't... too heavy. but curling your lashes will do the trick... i didn't know this until my friend told me to try it... it really makes a difference! "opens" up your eyes talaga... lalo na singkit ako...

haircut: i go to franck provost in jupiter street. mejo mahal... but definitely worth it. angelo is a wonder with hair. i just give him instructions that i want a NO-MAINTENANCE do. for me, confidence that i'll look good after he's done is justification enough for the price. i've had a really HORRIBLE haircut and it was the worst day of my life!!! di ako pumasok sa office and school that day... i just cried my eyes out. and it didn't help that my boyfriend then was trying to be nice about it by saying it was okay when it clearly was a bad bad bad haircut! yargh!! never again...

[This message has been edited by blue babe (edited 01-24-2000).]

PuNkChick · Jan 24, 2000, 11:43 AM

lipstik lang kaya kong ilagay

hehehe >;>;

harley quinn · Jan 25, 2000, 07:46 AM

Thanks for the tips, PePs!

Lemon_ade · Jan 26, 2000, 09:57 AM

hi makeup experts! here's my problem. ive got really sensitive and dry skin. i use moisturizer on my face and that's about the beauty ritual i do. i feel that it doesnt look so bad without face powder naman. so, does that mean i dont need face powder? ive got the t.le clerc powder and when i use it, i dont seem to notice any change. am i doing something wrong?

blue babe · Jan 26, 2000, 11:32 PM

lemonade:
i have dry skin too. and believe me, moisturizing is something you have to do EVERYDAY. i didn't think so before. now, i'm 25 with forehead wrinkles!!! argh!!!
re: the face powder not showing up. that's okay. at least i don't think so. i mean, you don't want it to be obvious right? isn't that the whole point of makeup? to look good while looking natural? if you wanna end up looking like a kabuki queen, then go for cake foundations! personally, i'd go for pressed powder. le clerc is good. what shade do you use?

Lemon_ade · Jan 27, 2000, 08:02 AM

hi blue babe,
im using orchidee. i wanted to get banane but they ran out. and the case i got was a gold one cause they ran out of the platinum one. too bad for me. mas maganda sana ang platinum case.
about moisturizing, i dont moisturize my forehead (uh-oh i think i have forehead wrinkles too) cause i get pimples in that area. *sigh* it's so hard to have combination skin. what can u suggest i do? moisturize the forehead too and risk getting pimples? =)

p.s.
am new here so im entitled to ask a stupid question: how do i put those smiley faces on my postings? thanks!

Cala · Jan 27, 2000, 11:24 AM

Oooh makeup! Maybe I should justify the number of times friends have called me kikay...

One of the best tips I learned early on is that you should only have one feature on your face as a "focus". Like, just work on the eyes, or the mouth at a time. You don't want people being distracted from an overdone look.

Another thing is, you don't always need foundation. Foundation can just be placed in places which needs to be evened out. Of course, you must have the right shade for you. (Do not test on your hand when buying, that's so misleading! Try the jawline.)

On mascara... I always used to depend on this, thinking that this was my key to low-maintenance glamour. Then I learned how to used eyeliner. I hear that if u use dark brown eyeliner close to your lashes on your upperlid, u don't need to apply mascara anymore. Oh, and a trick for avoiding clumping (because even beauty mags attest to the fact that there is no mascara that won't clump) -- run the wand through tissue paper; there is usually a lot of excess already, and all that gunk is what causes the unsightly clumps.

And honestly, practice helps. Eventually you learn what's good on you after some trial and error. I learned after grad when I was out as much as I could be, and that means prepping up too. I've even learned to do my makeup in the car too especially if I'm coming from work and need to be more made up for the evening. You don't have to spend hours on your makeup.

Natural is good for daytime, definitely. But sometimes, I like putting on my dark silver liner from Streetwear when I feel like it. You eventually develop your style, and that applies to makeup too. Simple is always a good thing though. If you're unsure, go with the minimum.

Latest kikay discovery: for people who don't have the kind of straight hair most Pinoys have, and instead have wavy, prone to frizz hair, try hair wax. Bodyshop has glossing wax which I swear by now.

I don't go to salons for makeup anymore. I think that's been since the minimalist look hit, and I've stuck with it since then -- at least for events when I had to play it safe. But for hair, I finally found a haridresser who agrees with me: Leo from Cuts and Capuccino in Galleria (price isn't steep too at P150). But then, to each his own, coz admittedly, his "expertise" on my hair improved with each visit.

Moisturizer -- this is an essential. For all skin types. You just have to find the one that's right for your skin. For combo skin, Clinique has one. Yes, it's pricey, but at least you don't feel oily after, and you're still moisturizing.

Now, my turn to ask for some advice -- what are the good lipstick brands? The ones that don't wear off easily? We all know about those long-wearing, colorstay types which totally dry out the lips. But when I want to wear dark lipstick and party, they seem to be the only option, or else my mouth fades too quickly in the night. Suggestions please.


Aug 15, 1999, 08:14 PM	#1
babyfat Member Join Date: Jul 1999	different people have different views about makeup. some call it a tool for oppression, some call it loads of fun. i think it can be either, depending on why you put it on, how it makes you feel, how you feel without it, and many other considerations. I for one enjoy it because it feels like a toned-down imitation of a tribal face-painting ritual which i find exotic and beautiful; and also, when I dress up my body for a big event, I want a face to match. Now, I'm not talking about heavily applied warpaint, but maybe a little mascara and some tinted gloss for the lips, or even smoky eyeshadow once every now and then. So let's trade views on makeup (like, is makeup good, bad, or neither?) and even kikay tips if you have any.


Aug 15, 1999, 08:24 PM	#2
Aragorn Aragorn Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Brooklyn, NY	babyfat: unfortunately, I don't have any kikay tips! =) From this guy's perspective, make-up is great, for as long as it higlights what is natural, and doesn't turn something into what it isn't. For as long as the make-up complements the event, go ahead! Just make sure you don't have too much! What I don't like about make-up is when you're already trying too hard...I've seen older women with make-up a couple of millimeters thick! I mean, why don't we just grow old gracefully? Oh yeah...I like that idea of yours about make-up being ceremonial paint...unique! So, maybe next time we have a pow-wow, you'll have some foundation and mascara ready for the ceremony! =)


Aug 15, 1999, 08:32 PM	#3
babyfat Member Join Date: Jul 1999	Thanks, Aragorn! It's nice to get a guy's point of view.


Aug 15, 1999, 10:43 PM	#4
Mavi Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Marital Bliss	Even after college, I still don't know how to use makeup. Lipstick and face powder I can handle. But eyeshadow? I don't know about that but what I do have are under eyeshadows! I think makeup is okay so long as it is used to highlight your features. And it wouldn't be nice naman if you went to a formal function, signature gown and all, without make-up. I just dread going to weddings because of the make-up issue. I'd run to the nearest salon! However, make-up artists scare me. My greatest fear about entrusting my do on Madame is coming out looking like some Kabuki Queen. What salons would you suggest for make-overs? And for daily applications, is masacara really necessary?


Aug 16, 1999, 12:33 AM	#5
babyfat Member Join Date: Jul 1999	mavi: mascara for everyday use is definitely not a good idea. actually, i rarely even use it when i got out on weekends or dates, because when i do, it all ends up under my eyes in 30 minutes. i can't really recommend any salons, because i hate salons! the last time i had my makeup done in a salon was for a wedding and i ended up looking like a geisha. but since you like face powder, can you recommend a good brand that treats the face kindly but doesn't cost an arm and a leg? i like clinique's face powder but it's too, too pricey. and johnson's face powder gives me a rash.


Aug 16, 1999, 11:00 PM	#6
Cy Registered User Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Valenzuela	hi mavi! try going to fanny serano at greenhills and look for ogie or odie i forgot... or at jessie mendez..look for Ronnie (tutuban)... =)


Aug 17, 1999, 10:33 AM	#7
ChiQui Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Metro_Manila	Normally, girls use make up to enhance their features. Some put on excessively, most just right. In my opinion, girls should only use natural make up. I really don't like girls wearing black lipstick and others of the like for everyday use. However, if the occasion calls for it, then go ahead. =)


Aug 17, 1999, 07:23 PM	#8
Mavi Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Marital Bliss	babyfat: My skin isn't at all sensitive and so anything goes for me. You might want to try VMV Hypoallergenics. My tita always insists that we buy this brand for we visit her in the States. My dad prefers that women wear make-up. He says they look a lot more classier when they do. He says he's proud to show off his wife---all made up for him. Aaaww...


Aug 26, 1999, 11:48 AM	#9
glass house Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Paranaque	Mavi... Too much make-up is definitely a big no no!!! Face powder, a bit of shimmer in the lids and lips are better. stick to earth colors. It looks natural. But believe me, less is always better, at least when it comes to make-up. Does anyone want a good haircut? Go to the Mezzanine Salon at Milelong sa Amorsolo, Makati. Look for Paulie. He does wonders!


Aug 26, 1999, 07:09 PM	#10
vega Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Makati City, Ph	makeup should be used to enhance your features. how dark or how light your make up is should depend on the activity that you're going to. i agree with mavi that it would look funny if you're all dressed up in a gown and have no makeup on. mascara can be used daily if you use those waterproof ones. one coat should be enough though. if you don't want to use mascara everyday, just make sure to curl your lashes daily with one of those eyelash curler contraptions because they make the eyes look bigger. this isn't really a "makeup" tip but one of the best things i've done to my face is get my eyebrows fixed. clean up the the stray hair around the natural shape of the eyebrows. have the eyebrows shaped (not SHAVED! too thin eyebrows are not nice)... it opens the eyes and does wonders to your face. some parlors actually offer this service (in the form of threading, waxing, etc) try it and let me know what you think.


Jan 24, 2000, 11:43 AM	#15
PuNkChick Attitude Problem Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: PuNk_HouSe	lipstik lang kaya kong ilagay hehehe >;>;


Aug 26, 1999, 07:32 PM	#11
Mavi Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Marital Bliss	Thanks glasshouse and vega. I'll keep your suggestions in mind. Just to give you an idea of how careless i am as to where appearances are concerned: I have an upcoming conference and I was adviced to do something about my severe hairstyle. I never knew I looked that bad! Maybe a visit at the Mezzanine could do me wonders...


Aug 27, 1999, 10:53 AM	#12
glass house Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Paranaque	Just tell Paulie what you want done to your hair. But if you don't have any idea of what you exactly want, ask him for suggestions. You'll be happy with the results. If not, lunch is on me.


Jan 24, 2000, 07:03 AM	#13
harley quinn Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Gotham	I prefer light, natural, almost a no-make-up look for everyday wear. I think the goal of putting on make-up should be to enhance one's features---underplaying what you don't like about your face and enhancing whatever it is you think is your asset. By the way, does anyone have tips for preventing mascara to smear? And, which foundations are best for Asian complexion?


Jan 24, 2000, 11:21 AM	#14
blue babe Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Metro_Manila	mavi: me rin.. i used to be a no make up at all kinda girl.. until i started working. and then, i spotted girls without make up in thework place.. ang yuky tingnan... didn't want to look like that. so i had to learn... basics lang though... my make up basics - moisturizer (to prevent wrinkles and help set your face powder, i'd recommend the yellow stuff from clinique or the moisturizer of clean and clear) - face powder- the best i've used so far (best means good coverage and great price) is from acmedica (you can buy this at PCX in glorrieta 1) cheap lang, P175 per compact and the coverage is great! and it looks like you don't have anything on... parang natural lang. now if you really want to splurge, try le clerc's banane... they say its the secret of the stars.... pero the price is prohibitive.. P1200 per compact. you can buy this in rustans... - blush in earth tones - lash curler, no mascara - lip moisturizer and sheer lipstick or tinted lip moisturizer (blistex liptone is okay..) but for big events.. ah, eh, i leave that to the experts. with close supervision and explicit instructions that I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE PATTY BAKER. KABUKI QUEEN?! LOL there actually someone in school na ganun... wawa naman siye... either kabuki queen and tawag or powder... para kasing she uses flour as face powder eh... mascara for everyday? i don't... too heavy. but curling your lashes will do the trick... i didn't know this until my friend told me to try it... it really makes a difference! "opens" up your eyes talaga... lalo na singkit ako... haircut: i go to franck provost in jupiter street. mejo mahal... but definitely worth it. angelo is a wonder with hair. i just give him instructions that i want a NO-MAINTENANCE do. for me, confidence that i'll look good after he's done is justification enough for the price. i've had a really HORRIBLE haircut and it was the worst day of my life!!! di ako pumasok sa office and school that day... i just cried my eyes out. and it didn't help that my boyfriend then was trying to be nice about it by saying it was okay when it clearly was a bad bad bad haircut! yargh!! never again... [This message has been edited by blue babe (edited 01-24-2000).]


Jan 25, 2000, 07:46 AM	#16
harley quinn Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Gotham	Thanks for the tips, PePs!


Jan 26, 2000, 09:57 AM	#17
Lemon_ade Member Join Date: Jan 2000	hi makeup experts! here's my problem. ive got really sensitive and dry skin. i use moisturizer on my face and that's about the beauty ritual i do. i feel that it doesnt look so bad without face powder naman. so, does that mean i dont need face powder? ive got the t.le clerc powder and when i use it, i dont seem to notice any change. am i doing something wrong?


Jan 26, 2000, 11:32 PM	#18
blue babe Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Metro_Manila	lemonade: i have dry skin too. and believe me, moisturizing is something you have to do EVERYDAY. i didn't think so before. now, i'm 25 with forehead wrinkles!!! argh!!! re: the face powder not showing up. that's okay. at least i don't think so. i mean, you don't want it to be obvious right? isn't that the whole point of makeup? to look good while looking natural? if you wanna end up looking like a kabuki queen, then go for cake foundations! personally, i'd go for pressed powder. le clerc is good. what shade do you use?


Jan 27, 2000, 08:02 AM	#19
Lemon_ade Member Join Date: Jan 2000	hi blue babe, im using orchidee. i wanted to get banane but they ran out. and the case i got was a gold one cause they ran out of the platinum one. too bad for me. mas maganda sana ang platinum case. about moisturizing, i dont moisturize my forehead (uh-oh i think i have forehead wrinkles too) cause i get pimples in that area. sigh it's so hard to have combination skin. what can u suggest i do? moisturize the forehead too and risk getting pimples? =) p.s. am new here so im entitled to ask a stupid question: how do i put those smiley faces on my postings? thanks!


Jan 27, 2000, 11:24 AM	#20
Cala Member Join Date: Jan 2000	Oooh makeup! Maybe I should justify the number of times friends have called me kikay... One of the best tips I learned early on is that you should only have one feature on your face as a "focus". Like, just work on the eyes, or the mouth at a time. You don't want people being distracted from an overdone look. Another thing is, you don't always need foundation. Foundation can just be placed in places which needs to be evened out. Of course, you must have the right shade for you. (Do not test on your hand when buying, that's so misleading! Try the jawline.) On mascara... I always used to depend on this, thinking that this was my key to low-maintenance glamour. Then I learned how to used eyeliner. I hear that if u use dark brown eyeliner close to your lashes on your upperlid, u don't need to apply mascara anymore. Oh, and a trick for avoiding clumping (because even beauty mags attest to the fact that there is no mascara that won't clump) -- run the wand through tissue paper; there is usually a lot of excess already, and all that gunk is what causes the unsightly clumps. And honestly, practice helps. Eventually you learn what's good on you after some trial and error. I learned after grad when I was out as much as I could be, and that means prepping up too. I've even learned to do my makeup in the car too especially if I'm coming from work and need to be more made up for the evening. You don't have to spend hours on your makeup. Natural is good for daytime, definitely. But sometimes, I like putting on my dark silver liner from Streetwear when I feel like it. You eventually develop your style, and that applies to makeup too. Simple is always a good thing though. If you're unsure, go with the minimum. Latest kikay discovery: for people who don't have the kind of straight hair most Pinoys have, and instead have wavy, prone to frizz hair, try hair wax. Bodyshop has glossing wax which I swear by now. I don't go to salons for makeup anymore. I think that's been since the minimalist look hit, and I've stuck with it since then -- at least for events when I had to play it safe. But for hair, I finally found a haridresser who agrees with me: Leo from Cuts and Capuccino in Galleria (price isn't steep too at P150). But then, to each his own, coz admittedly, his "expertise" on my hair improved with each visit. Moisturizer -- this is an essential. For all skin types. You just have to find the one that's right for your skin. For combo skin, Clinique has one. Yes, it's pricey, but at least you don't feel oily after, and you're still moisturizing. Now, my turn to ask for some advice -- what are the good lipstick brands? The ones that don't wear off easily? We all know about those long-wearing, colorstay types which totally dry out the lips. But when I want to wear dark lipstick and party, they seem to be the only option, or else my mouth fades too quickly in the night. Suggestions please.