[Merged] Piano and Pianists Thread

[pigarotti]

...bilib ako dun sa mga tumutugdog ng ouido. Yung sa mga malls, yung nagtitinda ng murang keyboard; I asked them kung marunong silang bumasa ng piano sheet. Chords daw ginagamit nila, kung alam/familiar sila sa kanta, kaya na agad nilang tugtugin!

Kung maririnig mo, kala mo mga professionals talaga. Usually daw ganun yung mga tumutugtog sa mga lobby ng hotels/bars, as per request yung mga tinutugtog nila.

actually madaling lang talaga pag alam mo pano i-play yung chords, you'll just have to "play" with it nalang

[pollywog]

^That's my problem, how do you "play" with it?! I have the chord diagram, pero pag sinusundan ko, panget, don't know how to "play" with it...

[pigarotti]

try experimenting with beats, variations, etc.. lam mo un. practice and sanayan lang yan. nung una nahirapan din ako eh, but once u got the hang of it, ok na yan

[Jaywalker]

I studied piano formally when I was really young. I stopped at grade 2 or 3 but I still studied chords by myself. Now I’m 22 and I’m desperately trying to learn again. I’m a bit slow in reading notes (very slow actually) but I think my fingerwork is ok. I’m currently working my way through Beethoven’s moonlight (almost finished but I’m not sure if I have everything right) and Chopin’s Nocturne in C# minor. There are a couple of things that confuse me
…A couple of very amateurish questions if you don’t mind:
1.)When one note (say G) in a measure has the “natural” symbol in front of it, does that mean that all the Gs in the measure are natural as well?
2.)What does Leo mean (or is it led?)
3.)What does it mean when there’s an arc over a couple of notes
4.)Say I’m playing in C# minor. All the C,D,F and Gs are understood to be sharp right?. If I see an F# what key do I have to play? F is already understood to be sharp why is there still a sharp in front of it?
5.)pedaling …what is the right way to pedal?

[pigarotti]

i'm no expert din, but i'll try to answer some of the questions

1.)When one note (say G) in a measure has the “natural” symbol in front of it, does that mean that all the Gs in the measure are natural as well?

yes.

3.)What does it mean when there’s an arc over a couple of notes

based on how u described it, i think it's a slur. a.. pano ba to i-describe, parang hop yung dating niya. kung saan nag-end yung "arc", that's where you "hop"

4.)Say I’m playing in C# minor. All the C,D,F and Gs are understood to be sharp right?. If I see an F# what key do I have to play? F is already understood to be sharp why is there still a sharp in front of it?

there's probably a naturalized F somewhere before that.

5.)pedaling …what is the right way to pedal?

from my experience, unless specified, you don't step on the pedal too long kasi panget pakinggan. i can't explain much about pedals hehe, tingin ko kasi para syang tinitimpla when you play.

in case you're wondering bakit tatlo ang pedals (on some), the leftmost pedal (una corda) would make your "key-hitting" softer. the one in the middle (sostenuto) naman.. hm.. pano ko ba to explain... let's say you want to sustain a certain chord or note. play it, then while the keys are depressed, step on the middle pedal and let go of the keys. you'd probably notice na nagsusustain yung sound. while these notes still sound, try playing any other note on the piano and VIOLA!! they will NOT sustain aliw! hehehe

[pollywog]

try experimenting with beats, variations, etc.. lam mo un. practice and sanayan lang yan. nung una nahirapan din ako eh, but once u got the hang of it, ok na yan

The beats, i understand. With variations i'm not sure though. Say, C major, the keys are do, mi, and sol; how do i do 'variations' with it? Does hitting the C major keys in a higher octave a 'variation?'

[Jaywalker]

pigarotti …If a natural symbol in front of a note makes all the same notes in the same measure natural, does it follow that if a note has a sharp/flat in front of it, all the same notes in the measure will also be sharp/flat?

based on how u described it, i think it's a slur. a.. pano ba to i-describe, parang hop yung dating niya. kung saan nag-end yung "arc", that's where you "hop"

hop? As in go to the next note -skip everything in the middle? I’m not sure if that’d work for “moonlight” and nocturne in C# minor. This is the sheet I’m using for moonlight by the way [link] http://www.mfiles.co.uk/scores/moonlight-movement1.pdf[/link]

[pigarotti]

pigarotti …If a natural symbol in front of a note makes all the same notes in the same measure natural, does it follow that if a note has a sharp/flat in front of it, all the same notes in the measure will also be sharp/flat?

yes.

hop? As in go to the next note -skip everything in the middle? I’m not sure if that’d work for “moonlight” and nocturne in C# minor. This is the sheet I’m using for moonlight by the way [link] http://www.mfiles.co.uk/scores/moonlight-movement1.pdf[/link]

ah, no. u don't skip the notes hehe.. bali, u still play the other notes tapos u make the last note jump a bit. er.. gets? i'm not good at explaining things *heh*. slurs kasi tend to embrace a small number of notes. i think the one in beethoven's moonlight is called a phrase mark. it's how composers make their intentions clear down to the very last detail by showing large slur-like lines. parang.. it's able to express an idea within each phrase. um, i hope gets niyo hehe..

[pigarotti]

The beats, i understand. With variations i'm not sure though. Say, C major, the keys are do, mi, and sol; how do i do 'variations' with it? Does hitting the C major keys in a higher octave a 'variation?'

hindi *** nmn do, mi, sol notes for c major, right? u don't have to limit yourself with the three notes, although yan yung root. u can always tinker with the scales in the key of C (c,d,e,f,g,a,b). mix chords with something as simple as an arpeggio.. try experimenting

[pollywog]

^ thanks!

[Jaywalker]

pigarotti have you seen the sheet? there were some notes with "x" in front of them what does that mean?

My weinstein upright piano has three pedals but I don't think the middle pedal is a "true sostenuto pedal. I've heard that only grand pianos have "true" sostenutos

I still don't know hot to use the right pedal properly. Generally when is it a good idea to let go of it.

[pigarotti]

pigarotti have you seen the sheet? there were some notes with "x" in front of them what does that mean?

if i remember it right, that's a double sharp where u play the note a step higher. let's say the note F has this sign. you have to hit the G note, which is a step higher. kasi pag sharp lang yan, u play it half step higher lang.

My weinstein upright piano has three pedals but I don't think the middle pedal is a "true sostenuto pedal. I've heard that only grand pianos have "true" sostenutos

yeah, true

I still don't know hot to use the right pedal properly. Generally when is it a good idea to let go of it.

um, try mo i-let go between measures, balik mo agad.

try consulting a piano teacher or someone who knows how to play, mas maganda kasi matuto ng hands-on kesa basahin *** parang driving yan, u have to get the feel of it to know *heh*

[anna_netrebko]

5.)pedaling …what is the right way to pedal?

I guess you're talking about the one on the right. The basic rule is - lift each time you change chords. How you do it and when exactly would depend on the acoustics of the room. When it's too dry, lift the pedal right on the first note of the next chord. When there's too much 'echo' then you lift it a bit earlier. And don't use the pedal when you want to achieve a 'dry' effect in some passages.

I hope it makes sense... otherwise it would be best to ask a piano teacher to demonstrate it.

Ciao!

[graphire]

"CHOPSTICK" my masterpiece

seriously, i had piano lessons when i was a kid. Teacher ko pa nun si "EDNA", yung author nung mga basic piano lesson booklets. I had my recital pa nun when i was 10 yrs old. I played "dream of olwen" by Charles Williams. And it's still my favorite piece till now. I also loved playing Williams' "Jealous Lover (The Apartment)" and some lizst, tchaikovsky and chopin pieces. I stopped playing piano ages ago when our piano broke. Now im planning to buy one and start my kid learning piano as well. Which piano brand ba ang mura but ok din ang quality? ok din ba yung mga electronic piano/keyboard?

[pigarotti]

sa preference rin ng player un hehe.. ako mas prefer ko hindi electronic. kahit na sensitive pa yan, the touch won't compare to a traditional piano.

[matroxvideo]

hi guys,

i just found this thread. well, i pretty well play the piano.. i trained for oido from age 4-7 then from mga 8-16 classical piano..im more inclined in playing oido coz mas masaya un nd u get to experiment with arrangements and stuffs.

since classical ang pinag-uusapan, i hate chopin kasi mahirap *** pieces hehe.. i like mozart and beethoven though.. the sonatas and all.

i also love arranging.. doing multitrack recordings kapag may time using a technics kn3000.

anyone here owns triton studio from korg? ang hirap gamitin.. someone willing to train me? hehe

[mac_bolan00]

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[pepperprone]

Hi. Most of your questions have been answered na but I still want to reply to all of them. I studied piano since I was four but I stopped when I started my college years. Home study ako for most of that time. I don't know what 'grade' I'm technically in but I haven't played the piano for quite sometime. Right now, I play the organ in our church during Sunday masses.

1.)When one note (say G) in a measure has the “natural” symbol in front of it, does that mean that all the Gs in the measure are natural as well?

Yes. But just in that measure. Once you go to the next measure, magre revert yan sa original niya na #.

2.)What does Leo mean (or is it led?)

It's not Leo. It's Ped.

3.)What does it mean when there’s an arc over a couple of notes

I don't think that's a slur. A slur is only short, about a couple of notes. I think this is more of legato wherein you have to play the notes smoothly and continuously, in a fluid motion. Same thing if you sing those notes.

4.)Say I’m playing in C# minor. All the C,D,F and Gs are understood to be sharp right?. If I see an F# what key do I have to play? F is already understood to be sharp why is there still a sharp in front of it?

Baka nga may naturalized note in front of it. Or, it means you have to play it another half step higher, which makes it a whole step altogether.

5.)pedaling …what is the right way to pedal?

Notice those brackets [ ]right next to the Ped. words? That acts as your cue when to bring down your foot on the pedal and when to release it. In your musical piece, there are instances when in one measure (i.e., measure 12), sunod sunod ang pedals pero maikli. So that means you press the pedal at the beginning of the bass chord and release it before pressing it again for the next bass chord.

Hope I helped!

[pepperprone]

^That's my problem, how do you "play" with it?! I have the chord diagram, pero pag sinusundan ko, panget, don't know how to "play" with it...

I learned how to play chords by not playing them at the same time. For example, sa C chord, it's usually do-mi-sol right? So add another do tapos trying playing them one a time in a smooth motion. That becomes a running chord. Or you could do a variation. Imbes na simulan mo sa do yung C chord, try beginning it sa sol (sol-do-mi-sol).

For a little enhancement, try playing yung bass chords sa ilalim nung major ones (i.e., D/F#). So you play a running D chord with your right hand while thumping out the F# chord on your left. Try it! Maganda ang tunog!

[matroxvideo]

we should all meet! hehe