[Merged] Muay Thai and Kick Boxing Threads

[blakedaddy]

geekhead,

of course any exercise program must be coupled with good eating habits to reap the maximum benefits

I haven't been able to kickbock in ages but in my uncle's dojo, we do some kicking and punching using thai pads and kicking shields. I get to box in elorde at least once a week and my cardio has improved since I also lift weights.

[simonesez]

For those still looking for a kickboxing school I recommend the Amateur Muay Thai Association of the Philippines (AMAP) at the Ultra. I just finished my basic level training at AMAP and here's an idea of what they offer.

AMAP is composed of fighters from the Philippine national Muay Thai team, which in turn is under the Philippine Sports Commission. I guess taking in students is the PSC's way of sourcing funding for the team. It's also not unusual to find AMAP instructors at private gyms like Mojo, Excel and at the ADB because these guys don't get squat from the PSC so they have to earn extra outside.

There are different levels of Muay Thai training but expect to be taught basic sports MT though I saw some students doing aerobics MT. AMAP offers a 20-day 1-2 hour beginner training at P5000, afterwards you pay P100+ per session for advanced techniques. Training starts with a 15-minute jog inside the training area or if you prefer at the 500m oval just outside. Stretching exercises quickly follow including the dreaded split (ouch). You will then be taught correct form, proper way of executing punches like jab, straight, cross, elbow and knee strikes, roundhouse, scorpion, and other kicks. Once you become proficient in shadow boxing it's time for you to strike pads. You'll need hand wraps and gloves for this. You don't want to use the gloves at the center because their stink are stuff of legend, just ask former students. Gloves go for P2500-1000 at K1 Sports, El Cheapos like me go to Toby's for P350 PVC gloves. K1 also sells those fabulous Muay Thai satin shorts (admit it this is one of the best reasons to learn MT). Shorts are also available at AMAP from time to time for P800-1000. After the 2-round pad sessions comes the tempering. You'll harden your shin at the bags starting at 50 for both sides which graduate to 200 each (ouch again). And finally if you make it at the end of the 20-day session, you'll get to spar with the Philipine team's best (ow, ow, ooow). Good luck.

Oh, and watch out for celebrity students like Raymond Bagatsing, Judy Ann Santos, Lara Fabregas, Dyan Castillejo, Rustom Padilla and Robin Padilla. Jackie Lou Blanco was my classmate when I was there. If only I had a chiseled body like that.

Contact:
Coach Roberto B. Valdez
Asst. Coach Arnold (funny guy with lots of stories)
Krup Billy (yes the "Maestro" of the URCC fame)
Krup Aciong (Marvin Agustin's opponent in the MMK Navarette story and winner at Mano Mano and URCC)
Telephone: 637 7647
E-mail: phil_wmc@hotmail.com
Website: www.muaythaiphilippines.com

[Brandon96]

How does AMAP relate to ATBAP? Are they one and the same? BTW, is Kru Roberto Valdez a former Yaw-Yan fighter?

I see a lot of Yaw-Yan fighters joining and teaching Muay Thai. In what ways are they similar?

[jkd]

Yes, Roberto Valdez was Yaw-Yan fighter. He still frequents YY headquarters at Libertad Pasay looking for new talents to train in Muay Thai. My teacher doesn't like him much, but they still exchange pleasantries.

[jkd]

Regarding the difference between YY and MT, though I have never formally trained in a MT gym, I have watched many MT instructional videos with Thai instructors. My observation is YY has more kicks, and the hand placement during kicks is different. But these, to me, are very minor differences.

The fighting guard stance is the same as well as the style of using the simplest and most powerful techniques.

[jkd]

But that's just my "untrained eye" personal observation.

Here a better one:

http://p072.ezboard.com/ftaekwondo67...picID=13.topic

[blakedaddy]

If I remember it right, ATBAP and AMAP ar two different organizations. Kru Valdez was originally frm Yaw Yan. The two styles have similarities yet Muay Thai has more hand technique and Yaw Yan has more kicking combos and speed a

Originally posted by Brandon96
How does AMAP relate to ATBAP? Are they one and the same? BTW, is Kru Roberto Valdez a former Yaw-Yan fighter?

I see a lot of Yaw-Yan fighters joining and teaching Muay Thai. In what ways are they similar?

[simonesez]

Originally posted by jkd
But that's just my "untrained eye" personal observation.

Here a better one:

http://p072.ezboard.com/ftaekwondo67...picID=13.topic

"Yaw Yan is arnis less the sticks." You learn something new everyday. I don't personally know the differences between Yaw Yan and Muay Thai but I do know the difference of the two with kickboxing, that the latter doesn't have clinching, knee kicks and elbow strikes (practioners of KB correct me if I'm wrong).

Regarding the flowery names of YY as discussed in that forum link, you guys will get a kick (ahem, pun not intended) out of these Thai names translated to English of MY techniques:

HOOK to body - "Stabbing The Kris"
HOOK to head - "Spinning The Chakra"
JAB to head - "Crow Pecks At Egg"
OVERHEAD punch (Note: This technique is, basically, a reverse SPINNING BACKFIST ) - "Vishnu Throws His Chakra"
SWING to body - "Stabbing The Kris"
SWING to head - "Spinning The Chakra"
UPPERCUT to head - "Salute To Victory"
ROUND knee - "Seize The Girl"
STEPPING knee - "Rama Walks Into The Forest"

Now you'll have to excuse me as I take the tuk-tuk to the chop-chop house as my tum-tum is low on chakra.

Any MT/YY/KB practioner cross-training into other MA, particularly grappling such as jiu jitsu?

[blakedaddy]

Originally posted by simonesez
"Yaw Yan is arnis less the sticks." You learn something new everyday. I don't personally know the differences between Yaw Yan and Muay Thai but I do know the difference of the two with kickboxing, that the latter doesn't have clinching, knee kicks and elbow strikes (practioners of KB correct me if I'm wrong).

I currently train both MT and BJJ. Just started MT tho and having a blast with it

Regarding the flowery names of YY as discussed in that forum link, you guys will get a kick (ahem, pun not intended) out of these Thai names translated to English of MY techniques:

HOOK to body - "Stabbing The Kris"
HOOK to head - "Spinning The Chakra"
JAB to head - "Crow Pecks At Egg"
OVERHEAD punch (Note: This technique is, basically, a reverse SPINNING BACKFIST ) - "Vishnu Throws His Chakra"
SWING to body - "Stabbing The Kris"
SWING to head - "Spinning The Chakra"
UPPERCUT to head - "Salute To Victory"
ROUND knee - "Seize The Girl"
STEPPING knee - "Rama Walks Into The Forest"

Now you'll have to excuse me as I take the tuk-tuk to the chop-chop house as my tum-tum is low on chakra.

Any MT/YY/KB practioner cross-training into other MA, particularly grappling such as jiu jitsu?

[emokid]

i once spoke to coach valdez about him movin to muay thai from yaw yan...i think it was bec. muay thai was gettin more popular than yawyan that time so theres more competition and exposure betweem clubs..thats why he moved...that is just one of the reason thou... i think... hehehe di ko maalala e :P

i once read from a forum about the "YAW YAN Mountain-Storm Kick" heres the link

http://p072.ezboard.com/ftaekwondo67...picID=13.topic

[jkd]

The text description fails the YY Mountain Storm kick. Yes it just sounds like the usual MT rear leg Power Roundhouse driven through the target diagonally downwards, but you really have to see it in action to understand how different it really is.

Watch a senior student of instructor power that kick through the huge bag at YY Temple at Libertad.

But of course, that kick isn't that fast because you really have to elevate your knee before you swing your hips and extend the shin/instep. It's a power kick that has to be carefully timed.

[simonesez]

Originally posted by jkd
The text description fails the YY Mountain Storm kick. Yes it just sounds like the usual MT rear leg Power Roundhouse driven through the target diagonally downwards, but you really have to see it in action to understand how different it really is.

Watch a senior student of instructor power that kick through the huge bag at YY Temple at Libertad.

But of course, that kick isn't that fast because you really have to elevate your knee before you swing your hips and extend the shin/instep. It's a power kick that has to be carefully timed.

We'd love to watch it jkd but we sure as hell don't want to be at the receiving end of it

To repeat the question:
Any MT/YY/KB practioner cross-training into other MA, particularly grappling such as jiu jitsu?

[Brandon96]

I would like to learn Yaw-Yan to complement my miniscule exposure to weapons training. JKD, where in the palengke of Libertad is the Temple?

Are there any schools or gyms of Yaw-Yan in QC and would you recommend them? I do know that Yaw-Yan masters Louie Yap and Henry Kobayashi live in my area. Would you recommend them? Master Henry teaches Hybrid Yaw-Yan and coach Louie uses the generic term "kickboxing".

[emokid]

learning one thing at a time and perfecting your skills is very important so id rather concentrate on one specific goal is it striking or grappling????... coz hybrid yaw yan is both striking and grappling but if i was given a choice id concentrate on striking.....
before cross training to another ma perfect once skills 1st
thou jiu jitsu is really fun

[jkd]

I've been training in YY and have been so for quite a long time, but my abilities aren't necessarily a function of my years of training. My body is quite built for a kickboxing style, but I'm not as hard-bodied and super-conditioned hard-core as the Yaw-Yan First Class Fighters. Some of my classmates there have pro Muay Thai physiques. I can't break a baseball bat on my shin, yet

I dare not call it "traditional" YY as opposed to the newer Hybrid YY. Just simply Yaw-Yan. The Founder, Master Napoleon Fernandez still frequents the YY HQ.

We are now taught Dumog once-twice a week at the YY Headquarters at Libertad Pasay. It is taught as a seperate and distinct style, mostly "for defensive purposes only against grapplers" like the head instructor Sir Saladin Dacuyan always says. Bahala na yung student how to incorporate it in his style (very JKD like). Of course, YY has adjusted to recent slew of local NHB competitions, and has a new coaching style to train competitors (as opposed to the older coaching style for pure Kickboxing competitions), but only to defend itself against grapplers. YY is still a stand-up striking art, same as it was in the 70's and 80's.

Hybrid YY teaches grappling as part of its offensive arsenal.

Sir Henry Kobayashi is highly respected in YY HQ, but YY HQ disagrees fundamentally with the direct infusion of grappling in the style, but however, clearly agrees that a stand-up fighter should now learn to fight on the ground - this is a new development in the YY curriculum. Anyway, the original YY arsenal has always had kicks that can be executed while lying on the ground. One of the YY fighters in URCC 3 slipped to the ground and immediately established a defensive stance, coiled and ready to deliver a snap kick. Too bad it was a draw (I think it was against a Shotokan Karateka).

[jkd]

YY HQ is at the 2nd floor of the Libertad "palengke."

[blakedaddy]

I honestly think it is alright to cross train as long as you don't do two arts that are similar bt doing one grappling art and a striking art will be fine

[simonesez]

IMHO cross training to grappling is a natural evolution of striking arts such as Muay Thai and Yaw Yan. It's not a matter of perfecting your skills in one art, rather, complementing your strking art so it can be more responsive. I cross train in aikido and hopefully to traditional jiu jitsu, which are taught in the higher aikido belts. I wanted to cross train to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu but I couldn't find anybody teaching it here in Saudi Arabia.

[geekhead]

there's a new muay thai schoo sa cubao. Orlando Lapus humahawak.

[Brandon96]

Saan yan sa Cubao, geekhead? Iyan ba ang nasa Seattle street, the former JNJ gym?

Anong martial arts styles pa meron diyan?