Mainstream Media STILL won't play Gloriagate tapes

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 02:58 PM

It's now almost 2 months since we first heard of Gloriagate, but the Mainstream Media like ABS-CBN and GMA7 still won't play the tapes, or have them authenticated and analyzed by experts -- even after Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's "admission" and "apology". These media giants don't deem it important enough to let their viewers listen to the tape themselves.

And that's why most Filipinos are still half-informed re the seriousness and scope of the Arroyo administration's crimes.

The same rin with the Philippine Daily Inquirer and Phil. Star. Why don't you authenticate the tapes yourselves, make them downloadable for your readers, and provide a thorough analysis of it's contents?

(If PDI can send a reporter to the US to dig up dirt on "Lacson's billions," I'm pretty sure they can send the Ong tapes and even Malacanang's "original" and "spliced" version for authentication.)

Come on ABS-CBN, GMA7, PDI and PHILSTAR, What are you afraid of? Do your job. Do this as a public service to the Filipino people.

Play those tapes on tv now and make them available for downloading.

But in the meantime, while the MSM is still d1cking around, we need to keep telling the truth re this administration and their allies.

floreno · Jul 28, 2005, 03:06 PM

But I think ABS AM Radio Station DZMM had been playing the said tapes during the Heights of Rallies in the Metro Manila

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 04:11 PM

The funny thing is, they played chavit's x-tape on tv (with subtitles IIRC), even though chavit himself claimed that the tape was not authenticated.

why can't they do the same thing to the gloriagate tapes? they can't use the "it's not yet authenticated" excuse since they eagerly played chavit's unauthenticated tape on tv.

maganda sana kung i-play ang gloriagate tapes with subtitles, since mahirap maintindihan ang sinasabi ng mga characters sa tapes because the sound may not be clear sometimes at walang transcripts ang mga listeners.

bluebox · Jul 28, 2005, 04:13 PM

DZMM first played the tapes. kaya nga napilitan ang malacañang na maglabas ng 2 versions of the tape.

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 04:36 PM

I've been watching the GMA7 and ABSCBN, and i've havent seen them play the tapes except maybe for one time only when the House investigating the tapes played the 3-hour ong tape non-stop and they played clips of the audio tape.

but the audio on the tv was awful because naririnig mo rin yung mga congressman (na nagiimbestiga sa GLORIAGATE) na nagsasalita sa background and other commotion inside the chamber habang pine-play yung tape na wala ka ring maiitindihan.

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 04:42 PM

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DZMM first played the tapes. kaya nga napilitan ang malacañang na maglabas ng 2 versions of the tape.

but that was before malacanang issued a warning not to play the tapes because it's not authenticated.

the NTC now claims that the tv stations are allowed "to play" the tapes, but the tv networks still seems to be "reluctant" to do it and do a thorough analysis of the tapes.

btw, i don't recall PDI or PHILSTAR ever providing the complete transcripts of the gloriagate tapes.

inis · Jul 28, 2005, 04:47 PM

may full transcript sa abs-cbnnews.com at avaialable ang hello garci conversation dun!

ano ba isyu mo booksale? eh alam naman nating lahat na si gloria at garci ang nasa tape/CD?

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 05:06 PM

saan ang transcript ng abs-cbn? is it full or partial?

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 05:09 PM

saan dito?

http://news.google.com/news?num=20&h...cbn+transcript

don2x · Jul 28, 2005, 05:41 PM

what was the result of lacson authentication of the recordings? even the FBI signal analysis branch has admitted that it is difficult to detect some alterations when a recording is digitized into a computer system, physically or electronically edited. to authenticate, the original recording and the equipment/ components used to produce the recording must be provided. no wonder wycoco tried to cover the existence of gsm scanner during the hearings.

bluebox · Jul 28, 2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by booksale

saan dito?

http://news.google.com/news?num=20&h...cbn+transcript

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?storyid=9299

"Mother of All Tapes" section.

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 08:45 PM

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what was the result of lacson authentication of the recordings?

well, Uniquest Pty Limited have verified that the tapes were "not altered" and the voices of Gloria and Garci were confirmed.

re "Mother of All Tapes" section.

ah thanks, hindi ko nakita eh. galing pala sa PCIJ. so what about PDI, Philstar and GMA7?

so why can't abs-cbn and GMA7 show and analyze the tapes on tv, katulad nung x-tapes ni chavit? kahit na yung pinaka importante na portions lang (w/ subtitles para mabilis maintindihan)

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 09:09 PM

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what was the result of lacson authentication of the recordings? even the FBI signal analysis branch has admitted that it is difficult to detect some alterations when a recording is digitized into a computer system, physically or electronically edited. to authenticate, the original recording and the equipment/ components used to produce the recording must be provided. no wonder wycoco tried to cover the existence of gsm scanner during the hearings.

so you don't believe that the paguia/ong tapes are real, don2x?

as for ABS-CBN, GMA7, PDI and PHILSTAR. please don't act like pu$$ies... I-pa authenticate nyo na yung tape kung totoo siya o hindi. it should have been done a long time ago, but better late than never eh? kasi kung sa US ito, matagal na itong pina-authenticate ng mga major tv networks sa mga experts.

kung ang resulta ay authentic yung ong tape, then good.

kugn ang resulta ay hindi authentic yung ong tape, okay lang.

but please, don't act like you're afraid of offending the people at Malacanang, MTRCB, the NTC and Raul Gonzalez's DOJ.

bleh · Jul 28, 2005, 09:36 PM

sinong manonood? alam naman ng lahat anong nasa tapes. siguro hindi sila sigurado sa ratings o kaya sa advertising na makukuha nila. 3 oras din yon, possibly 3 hours of lost advertising revenues. pwera na lang kung may sponsor....

don2x · Jul 28, 2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by booksale

well, Uniquest Pty Limited have verified that the tapes were "not altered" and the voices of Gloria and Garci were confirmed.

someone can digitally edit/ cut n paste voiceprints of gma and garci then re-record it to an analog tape recorder. it is very difficult to detect alteration on the re-recorded tape. it is like a xerox copy of an altered document. difficult to detect the alteration in the original. it would be credible if originality and content can be authenticated with forensic audio analysis. however the equipment/ components used in the recording must be present.

screamocrat · Jul 28, 2005, 10:44 PM

To play the "Hello, Garci" tapes would be considered bad journalism. After all, the act is equivalent to libel.

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 11:14 PM

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someone can digitally edit/ cut n paste voiceprints of gma and garci then re-record it to an analog tape recorder. it is very difficult to detect alteration on the re-recorded tape. it is like a xerox copy of an altered document. difficult to detect the alteration in the original. it would be credible if originality and content can be authenticated with forensic audio analysis. however the equipment/ components used in the recording must be present.

Well, everybody has their own opinion. I'd rather trust the experts from two independent and credible groups from NJ and Australia that have already verified the tape's authenticity. the Ong tape did force arroyo to make an admission and insincere apology, didn't it?

besides, sabi ni wycoco sa nbi na fake raw yung "original" and "spliced" tape ni bunye. so the NBI didn't have any problems "authenticating" it. it's not as hard as it looks... lol.

isa pa, chavit and RJ jacinto's x-tape was easily verified as fake by the media and other credible audio experts...

rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off

booksale · Jul 28, 2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bleh

sinong manonood? alam naman ng lahat anong nasa tapes. siguro hindi sila sigurado sa ratings o kaya sa advertising na makukuha nila. 3 oras din yon, possibly 3 hours of lost advertising revenues. pwera na lang kung may sponsor....

you don't have to play the 3-hour tape all at the same time in one day.

kahit na putol putol at least 10 minutes sa morning shows and at least 10 minutes sa evening news w/ analysis, okay na sa akin yan...

don2x · Jul 29, 2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by booksale

so you don't believe that the paguia/ong tapes are real, don2x?

if they are not authenticated by credible forensic audio experts, then it is just like a xerox copy which is not conclusive. to authenticate, the equipment and components used in the recording must be present. i just assumed the recordings were just been given expert's opinion. perhaps they should release the audio analysis report.

don2x · Jul 29, 2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by booksale

besides, sabi ni wycoco sa nbi na fake raw yung "original" and "spliced" tape ni bunye. so the NBI didn't have any problems "authenticating" it. it's not as hard as it looks... lol.

nbi did not say they have authenticated the recordings. they just gave their expert's opinion. the electric network frequency criterion is used to verify the integrity of digital audio recordings. but i'm not sure if we have that capability.


Jul 28, 2005, 02:58 PM	#1
booksale Books? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Abra	Mainstream Media STILL won't play Gloriagate tapes It's now almost 2 months since we first heard of Gloriagate, but the Mainstream Media like ABS-CBN and GMA7 still won't play the tapes, or have them authenticated and analyzed by experts -- even after Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's "admission" and "apology". These media giants don't deem it important enough to let their viewers listen to the tape themselves. And that's why most Filipinos are still half-informed re the seriousness and scope of the Arroyo administration's crimes. The same rin with the Philippine Daily Inquirer and Phil. Star. Why don't you authenticate the tapes yourselves, make them downloadable for your readers, and provide a thorough analysis of it's contents? (If PDI can send a reporter to the US to dig up dirt on "Lacson's billions," I'm pretty sure they can send the Ong tapes and even Malacanang's "original" and "spliced" version for authentication.) Come on ABS-CBN, GMA7, PDI and PHILSTAR, What are you afraid of? Do your job. Do this as a public service to the Filipino people. Play those tapes on tv now and make them available for downloading. But in the meantime, while the MSM is still d1cking around, we need to keep telling the truth re this administration and their allies.


Jul 28, 2005, 04:11 PM	#3
booksale Books? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Abra	The funny thing is, they played chavit's x-tape on tv (with subtitles IIRC), even though chavit himself claimed that the tape was not authenticated. why can't they do the same thing to the gloriagate tapes? they can't use the "it's not yet authenticated" excuse since they eagerly played chavit's unauthenticated tape on tv. maganda sana kung i-play ang gloriagate tapes with subtitles, since mahirap maintindihan ang sinasabi ng mga characters sa tapes because the sound may not be clear sometimes at walang transcripts ang mga listeners. Last edited by booksale : Jul 28, 2005 at 05:01 PM.


Jul 28, 2005, 03:06 PM	#2
floreno Miyembro Join Date: May 2000 Location: Metro_Manila	But I think ABS AM Radio Station DZMM had been playing the said tapes during the Heights of Rallies in the Metro Manila


Jul 28, 2005, 04:13 PM	#4
bluebox Internet Junkie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Laguna	DZMM first played the tapes. kaya nga napilitan ang malacañang na maglabas ng 2 versions of the tape.


Jul 28, 2005, 04:36 PM	#5
booksale Books? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Abra	I've been watching the GMA7 and ABSCBN, and i've havent seen them play the tapes except maybe for one time only when the House investigating the tapes played the 3-hour ong tape non-stop and they played clips of the audio tape. but the audio on the tv was awful because naririnig mo rin yung mga congressman (na nagiimbestiga sa GLORIAGATE) na nagsasalita sa background and other commotion inside the chamber habang pine-play yung tape na wala ka ring maiitindihan.


Jul 28, 2005, 04:47 PM	#7
inis Kasambahay Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bahay ni Kuya	may full transcript sa abs-cbnnews.com at avaialable ang hello garci conversation dun! ano ba isyu mo booksale? eh alam naman nating lahat na si gloria at garci ang nasa tape/CD?


Jul 28, 2005, 05:06 PM	#8
booksale Books? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Abra	saan ang transcript ng abs-cbn? is it full or partial?


Jul 28, 2005, 05:09 PM	#9
booksale Books? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Abra	saan dito? http://news.google.com/news?num=20&h...cbn+transcript


Jul 28, 2005, 05:41 PM	#10
don2x Member Join Date: Jun 2005	what was the result of lacson authentication of the recordings? even the FBI signal analysis branch has admitted that it is difficult to detect some alterations when a recording is digitized into a computer system, physically or electronically edited. to authenticate, the original recording and the equipment/ components used to produce the recording must be provided. no wonder wycoco tried to cover the existence of gsm scanner during the hearings.


Jul 28, 2005, 09:36 PM	#14
bleh blahbitty blah Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Metro_Manila	sinong manonood? alam naman ng lahat anong nasa tapes. siguro hindi sila sigurado sa ratings o kaya sa advertising na makukuha nila. 3 oras din yon, possibly 3 hours of lost advertising revenues. pwera na lang kung may sponsor....


Jul 28, 2005, 10:44 PM	#16
screamocrat Whut It Dew? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX, USA	To play the "Hello, Garci" tapes would be considered bad journalism. After all, the act is equivalent to libel.