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  1. #1

    Which is the BEST Housing Loan out there?

    What I mean by BEST is that ideally, just to simplify things, is to have the lowest term to interest rate ratio. I want to be able to avail of the longest term and at the lowest rate.

    For simplicity's sake, I want to pay just one fixed amount every month for 20 years, for example. Ok, maybe 10 years, although i know that's going to be difficult because rates change after a f ew years. But if there's a bank out there that cancan do that even better.

    I'd like to borrow about P3M - was thinking of of investing in a condo in Fort Boni . ( http://www.theicon.ph - struck a deal with my friend who works directly with these guys to sell it, and now I want kahit a studio man lang for myself hehehe! )

    (so that in the future I will have a lot of money I can deposit in a Guernsey bank account, right, KD? )

    So which bank gives the best loans??

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    I doubt if any bank can provide you long term, fixed rate funding. By nature, bank funds are short term.

    You might want to try a pension or life insurance company.

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    I dont think you would get a fixed rate for that long anywhere in the world unless you are paying silly interest rates..Still,it would be interesting to find out the best deal for that that amount with the property held as security..
    Where I am a fixed rate mortgage for 3 years is around 5.4% per anum.
    variable rates are of course lower.

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    I inquired with PSBank, BDO, and BPI Family. All roughly 10.75% fixed rate for 1 year. I think PSBank has the lowest fixed 5 year term at 13%..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoisyCricket
    I inquired with PSBank, BDO, and BPI Family. All roughly 10.75% fixed rate for 1 year. I think PSBank has the lowest fixed 5 year term at 13%..
    13%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whoa..Thats extortionately high.
    Bloody vultures if you ask me..
    Lets say you took out a loan for 3mill...How long would it take to pay it back plus interest if you leased the property?

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by gumacanian
    I dont think you would get a fixed rate for that long anywhere in the world unless you are paying silly interest rates..Still,it would be interesting to find out the best deal for that that amount with the property held as security..
    Where I am a fixed rate mortgage for 3 years is around 5.4% per anum.
    variable rates are of course lower.
    Japan's Tokyo Mitsubishi gives 20 year term at 2-3% interest rate ata (basta low single digit) Taas naman kasi ng presyo ng bahay sa Japan and mahihirapan ka mag-loan if you're a foreigner (but it can be done)

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by gumacanian
    13%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whoa..Thats extortionately high.
    Bloody vultures if you ask me..
    Lets say you took out a loan for 3mill...How long would it take to pay it back plus interest if you leased the property?
    I'm guessing a studio na 36sq. m. could possibly rent for around P15k at least. Maybe P18k in a few years after inflation, property appreciation when the development at Bonifacio picks up.. but lets assume at P15k.

    Assuming it's P3M. I get 10% discount, so less P300k. It goes down to P2.7M. Bank loans me 60%, so P1.62M. That's my debt.

    P1.62 M / P15,000 = 108 months. Fully recovered loan in 9 years. What do you guys think?

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    japan's depo rates are almost 0
    kaya 2-3% housing rate nila

    most housing loans in the phils are on an annual floaters
    la na masyado ang fixed rate

    best suggestion
    work for a bank
    sa kanilang benefits mababa lang ang interest rate fixed pa
    yun lang tali ka
    or pwede resign ka later
    pay the balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoisyCricket
    I'm guessing a studio na 36sq. m. could possibly rent for around P15k at least. Maybe P18k in a few years after inflation, property appreciation when the development at Bonifacio picks up.. but lets assume at P15k.

    Assuming it's P3M. I get 10% discount, so less P300k. It goes down to P2.7M. Bank loans me 60%, so P1.62M. That's my debt.

    P1.62 M / P15,000 = 108 months. Fully recovered loan in 9 years. What do you guys think?
    Normally I would wave a red flag and shout CAUTION.
    Thing is ,I think that there is no one on this board more qualified than you to weigh up the pro`s and cons of such a venture.
    Im sure you have consulted your relatives
    ..What do they say?
    I think the main thing is to have a years re payments stashed away in the bank to cover quiet periods with no rental income (for whatever reason)
    Apart from that ..In 9 years you will have an income for life and a property that has increased in value which all sounds pretty good..
    Well worth considering IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumacanian
    Normally I would wave a red flag and shout CAUTION. Thing is ,I think that there is no one on this board more qualified than you to weigh up the pro`s and cons of such a venture.
    Gumac, you give me too much credit. But it is appreciated. Yes, I've lived my life relying on real estate rentals. I can tell you its good stuff! I have no qualms or problems managing it. Hell we've been doing that for 30, 40 years now. Objectively, I could give you the Pro's of investing in Real Estate,

    but as for the CONS... well I leave that to more seasoned experts like KD who have a far broader understanding of what other ways it would be best to invest one's money . In two words: OPPORTUNITY COST.

    You could put your money in real estate and get it back after 9 years (the loan at least), or you could place it in a double your money and get it back in 6 years.. pick the right stock, and hell, you could double your month in a month! (Fil Hispano from Jan - Feb 2005)..

    Im sure you have consulted your relatives.. ..What do they say?
    my dad actually didn't tear the idea to shreds, as I have gotten so used to him doing so.. you could see he was considering it. Unfortunately, most of HIS money is tied up in other projects, so even if he wanted to get a unit for himself as well, he couldn't.. (unless there's something he's not telling me ... )

    Apart from that ..In 9 years you will have an income for life and a property that has increased in value which all sounds pretty good..
    Well worth considering IMO.
    Increase in value is right..! I'm guessing Serendra and all the other real estate projects increase their prices every quarter..

    And not a few people think that Bonifacio will appreciate greatly over the years. Ask yourself if you would have bought properties in Ayala Ave when everything was still cogon grass... when Makati was still marsh land.. hehehe

    Fort Boni is no marsh land definitely, but it's arguably one of the best place to get real estate these days..

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    I did not realize this was a thread about investing in real estate. Since you are thinking of portfolio diversification, at least implicitly, one of these days you must realize that it may not be a bad idea not to have all, or most, of your money invested in real estate in only one city or country.

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    very true, KD. Actually, it's NOT diversification because I already have real estate in my portfolio. I have to say though that its been working for me this.. lifetime so I don't have any qualms about having more of the same

    My only concern with investing in real estate abroad is management. Who will look after my property? How can i make sure my broker abroad isn't hoarding all the rentals? How can i make sure my property is well-maintained?

    So much easier to maintain it here in Manila

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    A real estate investment trust (REIT) is one way:

    Subject: Real Estate - Investment Trusts (REITs)

    Last-Revised: 8 Dec 1995
    Contributed-By: Braden Glett (glett at prodigy.net)

    A Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) is a company that invests its assets in real estate holdings. You get a share of the earnings, depreciation, etc. from the portfolio of real estate holdings that the REIT owns. Thus, you get many of the same benefits of being a landlord without too many of the hassles. You also have a much more liquid investment than you do when directly investing in real estate. The downsides are that you have no control over when the company will sell its holdings or how it will manage them, like you would have if you owned an apartment building on your own.

    Essentially, REITs are the same as stocks, only the business they are engaged in is different than what is commonly referred to as "stocks" by most folks. Common stocks are ownership shares generally in manufacturing or service businesses. REITs shares on the other hand are the same, just engaged in the holding of an asset for rental, rather than producing a manufactured product. In both cases, though, the shareholder is paid what is left over after business expenses, interest/principal, and preferred shareholders' dividends are paid. Common stockholders are always last in line, and their earnings are highly variable because of this. Also, because their returns are so unpredictable, common shareholders demand a higher expected rate of return than lenders (bondholders). This is why equity financing is the highest-cost form of financing for any corporation, whether the corporation be a REIT or mfg firm.

    An interesting thing about REITs is that they are probably the best inflation hedge around. Far better than gold stocks, which give almost no return over long periods of time. Most of them yield 7-10% dividend yield. However, they almost always lack the potential for tremendous price appreciation (and depreciation) that you get with most common stocks. There are exceptions, of course, but they are few and far between.

    If you invest in them, pick several REITs instead of one. They are subject to ineptitude on the part of management just like any company's stock, so diversification is important. However, they are a rather conservative investment, with long-term returns lower than common stocks of other industries. This is because rental revenues do net usually vary as much as revenues at a mfg or service firm.

    REITNet, a full-service real estate information site, offers a comprehensive guide to Real Estate Investment Trusts.
    http://www.reitnet.com

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    Interesting Is there a way to invest in REIT's from here in Manila, KD?

    And the usual questions like what is min investment, is there a min term..

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    You could put your money in real estate and get it back after 9 years (the loan at least), or you could place it in a double your money and get it back in 6 years..
    Yes but how much are you willing to put in one account considering only P100,000 is insured?

    pick the right stock, and hell, you could double your money in a month!
    Or quadruple..Or watch it dwindle.

    Real estate is your forte..
    I hope its mine too..Lets see.

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    PDIC is now up to P250,000, gumac hehehe

    Got your PM! Sent you a reply

    As for stocks, yeah.. know what you mean. My MWC and SCC are dwindling indeed! Pero hold lang.. hold... (and pray!)

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    Hi,

    What's the advantage/disadvantage of getting the housing loan from Pag-ibig instead; as opposed to getting it from a bank?

  18. #18
    Hi folks, I already have a home loan with ICICI on a floating interest rate. I’m looking for another loan. Should I clear this loan first to avail another loan or should I continue paying the EMIs for the entire tenure. This is a huge amount I will be paying by the end. What should I do? Is clearing the home loan a better option or should I go with the regular EMIs for the entire tenure?

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