Steffi Graf

[elyserva]

Do you play tennis? Or you just watch? Curious lang!

[razzp]

elyserva : Arguing with a person who has an IQ below sea level is painful and pointless.

Deadma na lang natin.

[lucent1425]

^umalis kayo ni elyserva sa thread na 'to dahil for Steffi Graf fans lang 'to, puro away at gulo lang ang alam ninyo.

huwag ninyong i-compare si Steffi sa mga power hitters dahil hindi talaga magka-level, ang mga laro ni Graf, power, skills at brain, sa mga power hitters, puro strength lang, nothing spectacular.

[lucent1425]

Do you play tennis? Or you just watch? Curious lang!

I play tennis, pwede kang sumama sa 'kin para may taga-pulot ako ng bola, isama mo si razzp

[elyserva]

^Why? Can't you put them in place when you hit them?

[bludwid]

^Why? Can't you put them in place when you hit them?

even pros have ballboys/girls...

[Shii Devil]

^ I don't think mahihirapan siya sa mga power hitters tulad ng mga Russian players, one of the best yata ang forehand ni Steffi.

Ang mga power hitters sa umpisa lang pero napapagod din, tingnan mo ang mga Russian players, hindi consistent tulad ni Sharapova.

Kailangan sa tennis ginagamitan din ng utak at madiskarte at 'yan meron lahat si Steffi.

correct ka dyan! bazooka like forehand, Steffi's no.1 weapon!

[Shii Devil]

Steffi can be best described as physically Martina Navratilova and mentally Billy Jean King. wow!

[lucent1425]

^Why? Can't you put them in place when you hit them?

inggit ka talaga sa 'kin 'coz you can't afford to play tennis, hanggang TV at internet ka lang kaya yung mga posts niyo ni razzp lahat nakakatawa, puro imbento, grabeeeee !!!!!!

[lucent1425]

Steffi can be best described as physically Martina Navratilova and mentally Billy Jean King. wow!

correct ka dyan, anong panama ng mga power hitters ngayon na halos lahat injured, grabeeee, nakakatawa, puro press releases lang kasi hindi naman mga consistent, ba talaga si Graf, the BEST, walang pwedeng pumantay sa records, skills, beauty, power at brain, the ultimate female tennis player nga

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[observer]

mag away away daw ba...

[elyserva]

deleted! double post!

[bludwid]

Naks.... idol.

[elyserva]

inggit ka talaga sa 'kin 'coz you can't afford to play tennis, hanggang TV at internet ka lang kaya yung mga posts niyo ni razzp lahat nakakatawa, puro imbento, grabeeeee !!!!!!

Uy talaga? Ilan na trophy mo? S'kin tatlo lang eh! Siguro konting practice pa ako 'no?

[elyserva]

Naks.... idol.

'Di naman! Libangan namin yan dito eh! May sariling tennis courts ang compound namin dati (live out na ako ngayon). Paglabas mo ng trabaho (hanggang 4:00PM lang) there is plenty of spare time. Ano ang gagawin mo? Competitive din ang mga tournaments dito na organized ng mga Pinoy. Halos walang pahinga ang mga tennis tournaments dito. Tuloy-tuloy ang mga tournaments all year round.

[IceNinja]

Here's my take off on Graf. 24 is the record for most slams, if Steffi were able to match this, maybe she can be considered the greatest player.
That 24 won't be touched because there's so much depth in women's tennis nowadays. That's why we have 5 different women winning the last 5 slams.

I think Graf retired prematurely because she knows that she wouldn't be able to handle the new generation of power hitters, yes she's speedy and has that slice -without topsin, but it didn't even help her beat Davenport on grass who is not as athletic and as fast as her. Graf's game over the years never really developed. Just slice and dice and run around to hit a forehand as much as you can. I think she's too afraid to come to the net. Good thing she retired because there's no way she can out hit the players of today.

[tennisfan]

What if...
a) Monica Seles was never stabbed?
b) Jennifer Capriati never left the game?

How many GS titles would Graf have ended up with?... makes you wonder




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[bludwid]

The "what has" always outweighs the "what if"...

I don't think Steffi retired prematurely. 17 years as a pro and already 30. Sabatini, Hingis, etc retired much earlier. Arantxa I think retired earlier, too.

17 years of full-time, ligament-tearing tennis will take its toll. It means she's been pro since she was 13 or 14...

Obviously she won't be able to handle the power of the teenagers, all tendons and ligaments still intact. Plus I think it's her prerogative to retire while on top.

As I said, we can speculate all we want, but we'll never know. I thought Steffi was a lot more powerful than what people here assume. Her average first serve speed was in the 120's, and her second serve speed well above the 100's. If that's not raw power, I don't know what is. Sue Barker actually said during the Sabatini v Graf Wimbledon final "If Sabatini can lift a sofa, Graf can hurl it 100 yards... "

Most people here are also assuming that today's power hitters will whack their way and expect Graf to just watch the balls pass her by. She will bite back, you know.

Don't forget that Graf won at least 4 Grand Slam titles on EVERY surface. Against power hitters on clay, she'll hold her own... There's no such thing as a power hitter on clay.

And as I've said, Graf's best qualities are her footwork, shot timing and shot placement. It doesn't matter if you can hit 100mph groundstrokes - you're going to have to backswing. Steffi didn't give her opponents much swing time because she hit her shots early and full of top spin. I don't think Sharapova's backhand would have coped with Steffi's inside-out forehand topspin.

And I don't think you have to play tennis to be a good analyst. The best analysts, actually, are those who spend most of their time writing down stats and reading, than actually playing the game.

[razzp]

Sorry for the ad hominem posts. Di lang kinaya ng powers namin ni elyserva kabobohan ng isa dito.

It's ok if we don't share the same point of view, but please post something rational.