paminsan minsan na nga lang ang straight na seminarian, kukunin mo pa
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paminsan minsan na nga lang ang straight na seminarian, kukunin mo pa
keep a rein on what you feel and don't put yourself in a situation where you know there's always such possibility of falling even harder.
and oh, i live by this rule: kung gusto maraming paraan, kung ayaw maraming dahilan .
whoever coined that is a genius
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I'm an ex-seminarian, suffice it to say that I've been on the same boat, and I tell you, for a seminarian, this isn't a pretty story. The internal struggle is massive, and more often than not, the normal reaction of a seminarian is to "retreat into his cave" and contemplate, hence you will see him quiet, unresponsive, aloof, etc.
For any man, an internal struggle is normal, only that for a seminarian, this is multiplied a hundred fold because of the calling.
I believe that love is all about gestures, big ones. As such, I left the seminary for the wrong reason - for a woman, only to find out that he had a boyfriend. I was young and foolish (and that's another story all together).
Here is what I think:
1. You are competing with "a calling", not necessarily with God for he isn't a priest (yet). This is difficult for the seminarian because he is there precisely for a reason. On the other hand, God is using you as a pawn to test his vocation, his calling. It's up to him to take up on the challenge as a seminarian, or to choose his heart and follow you.
2. Think through the consequences of your (and by "your", I mean, the two of you) actions. For one, if you decide to be with him and he continues to be a seminarian under the guise of "it's just for academic reasons and i'm leaving after graduation",
(a) what if his vocation is stronger than your love? and that he finds himself continuing after graduation? where does that leave you?
(b) are you prepared to deal with his relatives who are "expecting" him to be a priest, and knowing that you are the reason for his exodus? it's not a pretty sight, so you must ready your heart and mind.
Seminarians are a sensitive case, but if he is willing to sacrifice his vocation for you, after all, married life (i'm jumping too far ahead of myself here) is also a vocation.
Talk to him. Don't fall into the cognitive dissonance trap. Decide.
There is nothing wrong with falling in love.
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^ true or not, what's the big deal? proud ka pa ah.
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Bitter much? Don't dwell on the past. These acts by priests and people who claim to be 'men of God' have been exposed since centuries ago. We are not mocking you but its just kind of ridiculous that you are making fun of yourself.
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All of the blogs created by the victim was hacked and corrupted by Andrew Smith V. Gamilla, and his cohorts at St. Paul Seminary. The bishops and priests gang up on the woman and hacked her personal computer. They monitored her online activities for the past months up to this point.
Never did they answer the letters written directly sent to them, and never did they release any form of answer through a blog, email, or snail mail. This only proves that the accusations of the open letter have honest basis.
Apparently, the Catholic Church hired SEO hackers and public relation companies to corrupt online articles and search engine entries of this kind. (Especially now that its enrollment time in the seminaries).
Imagine how the money we put into the Church (particularly the money donated by senior citizens) go into this form of repression to freedom. Imagine how bishops and priests employ Church's resources to hide their dirt under the carpet.
Since Pinoyexchange is one of the safest place to express one's opinion, even the Church cannot simply hack and corrupt the entries here. For now, this is the only place where you can view the backupurls of the blog without being prompted by a false redirect or a spam note.
Here are the backupurls that has been blocked from google search results. It is better that the list stays here, just in case the man above, and every priest, bishop and seminarian like him, continue on their manipulative stance. This is also a warning to women and girls in the future who are in the brink of falling to this oppressive trap:
As I have said, all these backupurls cannot be easily retrieved from search engine results in google or bing. These, and the original blogs have been destroyed by the oppressing party. If this happen again, the victim will have to resort to media exposure.
Denying your mistakes is one thing, but curbing another of her voice is unforgivable.
How could a seminarian/priest spread his arms across the floor in prayer, while living a double life? The man mentioned above, Andrew, is staying in the seminary, and recently shares a picture of his entire clan posted in HAYDEN Kho's perfume fb page:
Click on the "1-share" icon, and you will notice how he publicly kisses Grace Escolano.
I MEAN, WHERE IS HIS MORAL COMPASS???
Idol nya si Hayden Kho?
I guess as long as he supports his entire family with the donations from the poor and the faithful, everything will be alright. Isn't that the primary motivation of some why they go and continue into priesthood?
Last edited by DancingTreetops; May 28, 2012 at 07:55 AM.
When I aspired in the seminary, (a conservative religious order) we were told “you are here, not because you chose to be here but because He chose you.” “Many are called but few will be chosen”. They told us also that even how much we want if God has some other plan for us then time will come we will leave the vocation. I really want to become a priest to the point that I vowed that the hobbit will be my daily attire even on ordinary days. But I think God has other plan for me, not priesthood.Is this bad?
He sends me signals that he likes me..at first I brushed it off coz I know it would only be futile in the end if I entertain him..but he continued on with his desire of still being friends with me..now I think I am already falling for him..but he seems to be keeping himself away from me..what should I do?
You do not compete with God, maybe God sent you to test his willingness to follow the vocation, if he chooses to leave it doesn’t mean He failed God. Having a family is a vocation as noble as priesthood which God himself institutionalized.
Good luck to you and your seminarian, may you both be guided as you make your decisions.
..ive been on your situation.. and its really difficult... yung akin nga... nakabalik na sya sa pagpapari saka ko lang rin nalaman na may gusto pa rin pala sya sa akin... (ang sakit ng part na yun) pari na un ngayon... mula ng bumalik sya run di na kami nagkita... wala na rin kami communication.. pero the last conversation we had (using ym), if ever there is an event that our path will crossed.. he makes sure he wont go... and until now its makes me curious... (btw,we dont have the same religion) but anyways, it was 7 years ago... wala na yung sakit... kaya lang naiisip ko pa rin minsan.. sayang... kung nalaman lang namin ang feelings namin sa isat isa way back then... tapos susundan ng thoughts ko na .. ako na ang pinakahuling babaeng minahal nya bago sya nagpari... at minsan naiisip ko. what if.. nagkita ulit kami? kasi this time... iba na... nagkaron na ng revelation... malay ko ba kung mahal nya pa rin ako?
sya rin kasi ang nagsabi sa akin.. kapag naibigay mo na ang pagmamahal.. hindi naman nawawala un... kasi naibigay mo na un.. parang mahalagang gamit... kapag nasa iyo at tinago mo... kapag di mo nakikita, nawawala sa loob mo... pero kapag naalala mo, at nakita, nandun pa rin yung halaga nya, tinatago mo pa rin at iniingatan, kasi mahalaga, di mo man laging dala, alam mong nakatago at maari mong balikan... hindi nawawala...
kung kayo.. kayo talaga.. kung hindi kayo... may para sa iyo na mas deserving... ^_^
aw. <3 ang ganda ng love story, may twist. pero, so sad.
Last edited by lovely_girl21; Jun 30, 2012 at 03:46 PM.
Last edited by lovely_girl21; Jul 1, 2012 at 03:02 PM.
AN OPEN LETTER
I would like to appeal to the respected heads of St. Paul Seminary Foundation to investigate, take hold, and reprimand Andrew Smith Villarico Gamilla, a noted alumnus of your institution. He currently serves in one of the parishes of Cavite under the Diocese of Imus and has avidly expressed the intention of pursuing the priesthood vocation.
However, with deep anguish and trepidation, I am exposing his unchristian acts of womanizing. His manipulative approach to women involves false promises of fidelity, commitment, and secrecy. In the hope that St. Paul Seminary Foundation will exert its full authority on this matter as soon as possible, I am sharing the details of my personal two-year relationship with him, 2010 – 2012, and my knowledge of his past and current escapades.
So as follows:
I met Andrew at the workplace of AE, a BPO company in Techno Hub, Quezon City. It was December 2009. He said it was his first regular job in a private institution after graduation. We get along well, and started dating. Andrew said on the onset of the relationship, “You will be my last girlfriend”. Inquiring what he means by that statement in connection to his intention of becoming a priest he said, “I would like to become a priest, but it wouldn’t hurt to have someone whom I love. And who loves me back. Malay mo pag nagdasal ka, baka di na ko tumuloy, or mapaaga ako ng alis. Kung gusto mo, magmadre ka na lang kaya?” At that time, I was in the process of overcoming depression, I have my failings at the university and for me, he was a saving grace. By January 2010, we are officially public.
The relationship lies on shaky ground, but bonded by mutual intentions. Andrew Smith Gamilla introduced me to his family, and soon after we became intimate. I asked about his past relationships, he told me he had one or two during high school, and another two or three during his stay at the seminary. I was intrigued. How did he manage to have a relationship within the seminary? He told me he had a crush on one of his professors, asked for her number, and texted her in secret during breaks. They were allowed to go out once a month, so one time; he went out with the professor to her house in Tagaytay, along Mendoza Street and spent the night with her in the same room. I asked, “Did you have sex?” He answered with a smile, “We kissed and cuddled, and what’s supposed to happen, happened.” Nowadays, the professor works in Singapore. Andrew, in early 2011, asked for some financial assistance from this woman worth 15,000 pesos, and to my knowledge, this is still unpaid.
“But did you lose your virginity from her?”
“No, it was with a high school x-girlfriend who became my textmate in the seminary. We had a date. I had some money then from the benefactors, and I took her out to the movies. She gave me a blowjob in the movie house. After which, we strolled at Baywalk. When it was getting late, I offered her that we stay in a hotel for the night. She agrees, took a bath, and we had sex.”
“So, you’re not totally a newbie,” I said, quite relieved to find out he’s not gay. At that time, I was so into him that I chose to ignore the warning signs that he is an opportunist. For me he was a dreamer. He often tells me he wants to become a bishop, and I could not help but encourage him to take that path. I thought he’s a man, and I will be his secret woman. That would be my role.
Nevertheless, I asked him if he was ever in love enough to surrender his vocation for the sake of being with the woman he loves. Andrew mentioned a certain girl from Iloilo, Christine, whom he met during one of their out-of-town trips in the seminary. She also happens to be the cousin of another seminarian, Bong. They had a two-year long distance relationship, constantly texting, and emailing. Andrew also went out with her, bringing Christine to a hotel once to have some private time. But the relationship went to ashes when Andrew was involved with another woman during his brief internship in a private sector. An officemate who was related to Christine, informed her that Andrew is openly flirting and dating an older, female officemate. Christine was angry, and decided to end the relationship. Meanwhile, Andrew decided to date this older officemate, about 30 years old, and had sex with her twice. The relationship was bound to end as the internship, so they parted ways. Nowadays, this woman is already a mother of a baby girl, reportedly impregnated by another x-seminarian. Christine, on the other hand, is a constant source of our arguments, as Andrew secretly sends text messages to Christine and to her mother, claiming to be confused and sorry. Andrew even told Christine’s mother that he doesn’t love me, just to get her texting back. But Christine has moved on, engaged to a seaman.
Least to say, Andrew Smith Gamilla is a very compelling speaker. He can tell you what you want to hear at the same time arrange the situation to his advantage. Our relationship was prolonged because he was hoping I could buy him out his situation. If I—finished my studies, or land a high-paying job, or manage the family business—then he would not have to be a priest. He can live a comfortable life as a married man. During the course of our relationship, I often catch him flirting with other girls in the office, one of them someone I get along pretty well. She will tell Precious not to believe anything that I say, and that he is planning to leave me as soon as he gets back in the seminary. As a woman in love, I made the mistake of siding Andrew and pushing Precious away. I told her to stop flirting with my boyfriend.
When I was trying to finish my studies, and I failed, Andrew said he understands and he will be there for me always. I thought he was kind, loving, and responsible. He also didn’t make it to Ateneo, and I was there to console him. From then on, our intimate relationship gets deeper. From my boarding house in Cubao, I transferred back to my parents’ residence in Makati. Andrew worked in another BPO company at Eastwood. We see each other at his residence in Quezon City as often as we could, with consent and knowledge of his parents and siblings. But still, everybody knows Andrew will pursue priesthood. We tried to explain that we are trying to be long-term companions. I go out with his clan to the beach, I attend family birthdays, and I drink with him socially. Our intimate relationship was very intense. I was so deeply inlove.
What I didn’t know is that he never stops approaching other girls. One time, I saw his flirtatious Skype messages with a female officemate. This girl is in a relationship. So I don’t know what Andrew was trying to get from it, perhaps casual sex? Nevertheless, I knew our relationship has problems. We tried to break up many times but end up together again in passionate heat.
At one point, both of us resigned from work. This was early 2011. He approached some priests, expressing his intention to enroll in the seminary. Anyway, he said he has fulfilled his responsibilities to help his brother at college. At first I thought, how selfish of him to think only of his familial responsibilities, and put me aside. He was involved in the charities of Fr. Suarez, and stayed in Alabang Hills for a while, then he is finally assigned in Cavite parishes. At first, we were okay. He said he is homesick and he misses me a lot. I still have doubts about his womanizing, but I stick with the setup, always keeping in my heart the promise he made on the onset of the relationship that I would be his last girlfriend; that he is committed to our relationship.
When his text messages become few, and cold, I thought he was just trying to concentrate at work. I told myself I will wait. When we do talk over the phone, he bickers about my situation. He said I am out of work, and I seem to have no plans. I tried to explain that I am figuring things out, and that he is also technically thinking things over. But he said he has progressed and I am not. By November, he ended the relationship saying magnanimously, “I will be your angel, who’ll check on you once in awhile.”
So I changed my numbers. Three weeks later, he reaches out to my mother and my best friend, telling them we need to talk and that he has a Christmas present for me. I called him on the phone asking for some trivial help but actually giving in to his request to communicate, and I said, “I think I am turning you into a monster. You can not pursue your vocation and have a woman on your side.” Andrew said he is hurt with what I said, and casually mentions he has a new girlfriend. I was shocked, He said, “Oh but maybe she’s just imaginary.” He was checking if I already have a job, or if my mother already gave me money to start my own business. I told him I am still in limbo. He jokes, “Will we have sex when we meet next Sunday?” I told him I don’t know, let’s see. When we finally met at the mall, he saw how sad I was and devastated, he lost his guts to ask for sex and simply stated he has a new gf. An overwhelming emotion overpowered me. I inquired when did he met her… he said they have been texting since April 2011.
I realized he was using my body to fulfill his sexual fantasies with other woman, including this textmate. Grace C. Escolano is a 23 years old call center agent whom he met over a family drinking party. He is interested with her but kept me on the side; just to make sure he has what he wants when he needs it. Andrew carefully maneuvered his actions so that he will always have a fallback. It doesn’t matter to him that his family knows me. After all, he’s a guy. It doesn’t matter to him that my family knows him. He hasn’t properly introduced himself to my parents anyway. Andrew knew he could get away with it, so he did.
Grace C. Escolano claims to be “another me”. Someone who is not interested in marriage, and is just looking for companionship. At one point, Andrew said that both of them plan to be monks. I laugh at the idea, realizing it was how our relationship was framed from the beginning. Either I have to be self-sufficient, or I become a nun. Grace could be both, or so she claims. The two seems to be unapologetic, with Andrew having an upper hand in the decision-making. He has controlled Grace’s perception of me. I couldn’t get to her senses, as much as I would like to.
Talking to Andrew for one last time today, February 21, 2012, he told me that he is willing to give Grace a better offer. He is going to study for the next two years, keeping her as his secret girlfriend, and will gracefully exit.
Andrew has some good qualities, but he obviously has a flawed disposition in life. He is determined to keep his options at work, handling them both at the same time. At the end of his second year in post-graduate studies, two different things could happen, but both of which will benefit him. He might end up with Grace, or he might just go on and continue his “calling”.
From my point of view, this is a waste of the Church resources, and deliberate manipulation of the system to work to his own advantage. Why couldn’t he just quit and live a normal life? Why does he keep on asking for charity, instead of working hard for himself?
I also notice a pattern in his relationships. He will be with a girl who conveniently fits his set-up, schedule, and location. Grace C. Escolano lives in Cubao, has no work on Mondays, and has money to burn from her call center job. Andrew can work in the parish of his benefactor’s choice, then go home every week to see his family and his girlfriend. If one or two things change in this set-up, the relationship will wane… His relationships in the past also operated in the same logic– the professor, the long-distance affair, the internship officemate, and me, whom he met on his first job. Once the girl refuses to adjust according to his needs, he will immediately look for a replacement. And the pattern repeats all over again.
I want Andrew Smith Gamilla to develop a sense of discipline, and a clean conscience. In did, the Church is no perfect institution, but he could at least save himself the trouble of guilt. I am worried he will walk the same path for the rest of his life, thinking it is all reasonable and fair.