The English Grammar and Usage Tutorial Thread

[rem_underme]

hi just want to ask po anu tamang pronounciation ng minus

my-nos or my-nas?

[jielun]

^ Neither. /ˈmʌɪnəs/

my-nos, iskolar = Tagalog accent.
my-nas, iskalar = Bisaya accent.

[ЅUX2BÜ]

Or [mahy-nuhs].

[JoeKano]

minus --> sinus --> fine us --> your highness --> dryness --> shyness -->

[jielun]

^ Unfortunately that wont work JoeKano; Pinoys pronounce sinus as say-noooos and dryness as draynes.

This will be green, I apologize in advance, but a good approximation for the u in minus is the ugh sounds that you make during copulation (copulation? LOLz.

ugh ugh, hindi yung ah! ah! ah! but yung ugh ugh ugh, yung parang umiiri

ugh ugh ugh --> ughs ughs ughs --> nughs nughs --> minughs --> minus. ^_^

[ЅUX2BÜ]

The "issue" with Pinoy pronunciation is that it doesn't have the exaggerated aspiration--that burst of air which is very common when pronouncing an English word.

The English taught at Philippine schools doesn't usually include phonetics and phonology.

[jielun]

I hads a tseachers who puts tsoo much /s/ sounds on t's, d's and other consonantss.

In general, every teacher in this country has her own accent, and her quirky way of pronouncing certain words.

A teacher once told us to read Italy as /'eet lee/, using both long e's and emphasizing that the a is silent.

Some teachers do not know how to read pronunciation guides in dictionaries. I had a teacher who read coyote as 'kee yowt = kiote (/kī-ˈō-tē/) (we we're learning how to use the dictionary that time).

Man, I had plenty of bad English teachers.

[jevilei]

What's the difference between 'supposed to be' and 'supposedly'?

[ЅUX2BÜ]

Please add "supposably".

[wala2003]

tama ba yung statement na ito na naririnig ko lagi sa mga news reporters? " Latest updates of (situation)" di ba redundant un?

[Imfersonated]

Help please:

1. Should there be an article before every mention of, say, BIR in a news report?

For example: The BIR is a government agency tasked to... The BIR aims to collect... The BIR's main offices are located...

Or can you do without the article?



2. It is recommended the Paul (seek or seeks?) the help of a doctor.


Maraming salamat!

[TTJ__]

Mas formal ata yung may article. Yung sa "The BIR's main offices", parang mas okey kung " The BIR main offices...".

It is recommended that Paul seeks the help of a doctor. It is recommended for Paul to seek the help of a doctor.

[elhy]

My gut feeling told me that the correct usage is "t is recommended that Paul seek the help of a doctor."
Kasi nga, iyun ang nakikita kong usage.

So konting research, nakita kong it's a case in point of the subjunctive mood. Dun sa link, may ilang examples na tumbok na tumbok sa tanong mo.

http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/gr...junctive-mood/

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"The BIR's main offices" ay kapareho lang ng tinutukoy ng "The BIR main offices." In many cases, I think both are interchangeable, but there's some subtle differences.

If someone is asking you where the BIR's main offices are, it sounds more natural to use "The BIR's main offices are located....". But if you want to remove the emphasis a little bit away from BIR, you say "The BIR main offices." The key here is to feel which of the two is more appropriate to use.

[ЅUX2BÜ]

tama ba yung statement na ito na naririnig ko lagi sa mga news reporters? " Latest updates of (situation)" di ba redundant un?

Yes, it is redundant, but has been considered loosely acceptable.

[ЅUX2BÜ]

My gut feeling told me that the correct usage is "t is recommended that Paul seek the help of a doctor."
Kasi nga, iyun ang nakikita kong usage.

So konting research, nakita kong it's a case in point of the subjunctive mood. Dun sa link, may ilang examples na tumbok na tumbok sa tanong mo.

http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/gr...junctive-mood/

Correct! It is indeed in the subjunctive mood.

In the subjunctive mood, the "secondary" verbs retain their base form, specifically when they are used with the following verbs or phrases: recommend, insist, suggest, request, demand, propose, it is essential / important / necessary / desirable / vital, etc.:

--It is recommended that Paul seek the help of a doctor."
--I insist that he join the club.
--She requests that you be nice to her.
--It is necessary that every student recite in class.

[ЅUX2BÜ]

Help please:

1. Should there be an article before every mention of, say, BIR in a news report?

For example: The BIR is a government agency tasked to... The BIR aims to collect... The BIR's main offices are located...

Or can you do without the article?



2. It is recommended the Paul (seek or seeks?) the help of a doctor.


Maraming salamat!

The use of "the" is fine for specific acronyms. It is not different from using "a" or "an" with other acronyms: an FBI agent, a UN assistance, a WHO health program, etc.

[Imfersonated]

Thank you.

So what's the difference here and which is preferred?

1. The BIR plans to collect P500 billion in 2013.
2. BIR plans to collect P500 billion in 2013.

[ЅUX2BÜ]

The BIR...

Please allow me to explain the usage of "the" in acronymed or abbreviated entities or organizations:

When the name of a group or organization has a countable noun and/or the abbreviation or acronym cannot be pronounced like a word, "the" is usually needed (countable noun highlighted below):

the USA (the United States of America)
the IOC (the International Olympic Committee)
the WB (the World Bank)
the BIR (the Bureau of Internal Revenue)

However, when the abbreviation or acronym can be pronounced like a word, "the" is no longer added unless it is spelled or written out in its entirety:

ASEAN (the Association of South East Asian Nations)
NASA (the National Aeronautics and Space Administration)
NATO (the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation)

[LOLOLOLOL]

how do you pronounce hour? r or our?

[ЅUX2BÜ]

/'ou-er/

Listen here.