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  1. #1

    Question

    Sa mga kinauukulan;

    Claim ng mga Muslim, "Ibigay ang kanilang pagsasarili sa lupain ng Mindanao."

    Ikaw ba ay sumasangayon dito, at Bakit mo ito nasabi?

    O ikaw ay hindi sumasangayon dito, at Bakit mo ito nasabi?

    Ipadala ang iyong opinyon, you are most welcome.


    Gumagalang,

    Abu A

    [This message has been edited by Abu A (edited 07-15-2000).]

  2. #2

    Talking

    with all due respect Abu A...Mindanao is under the Jurisdiction of the Philippine government as supported by numerous doctrines and treaties. Muslims have no right whatsoever to appeal a secession from Philippine Control.

    Bottomline is Mindanao is part of the Philippines, Muslims are Filipinos. If only that could be understood, we would've been spared from senseless bloodshed.

  3. #3
    Mr. Optimist
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    I believe Mindanao belongs to everybody. Remember that before the Christians came in the 16th Century and before the Muslims came in the 13th Century, there were already the indigenous "lumads" inhabiting Mindanao.

    The Muslims may have come earlier than the Christians but they weren't the original settlers of the island. The religion was only spread in the 13th Century but as of this day, there are still the "lumads" in various parts of Mindanao who did not embrace Islam and who did not convert to Christianity. If one goes by who came first, then I would say Mindanao belongs to "lumads".

    But since we live in a pluralistic society and mass migration has already taken place, I believe all of us must now accept that Mindanao is for all Filipinos: Muslims, Christians and "lumads".

    [This message has been edited by Lightspeed (edited 07-15-2000).]

  4. #4

    Talking

    Mindanao is a part of the Philippines, therefore I believe that Mindanao is for everybody.

  5. #5

    Wink

    Mindanao is Part of the Philippine Islands. Seccesion is out of the question.
    Q: Ano ba ang Nationality ng ng mga Muslim sa Mindanao?
    A: Pilipino din diba! Yan ang sagot sa katanungan mo kaibigan.

  6. #6

    Question

    But aren't Muslims in Mindanao Filipinos, too?

  7. #7

    Talking

    Originally posted by Abu A:
    Sa mga kinauukulan;

    Claim ng mga Muslim, "Ibigay ang kanilang pagsasarili sa lupain ng Mindanao."

    Ikaw ba ay sumasangayon dito, at Bakit mo ito nasabi?

    O ikaw ay hindi sumasangayon dito, at Bakit mo ito nasabi?

    Ipadala ang iyong opinyon, you are most welcome.


    Gumagalang,

    Abu A

    [This message has been edited by Abu A (edited 07-15-2000).]
    Mula kay: Abu A

    Para sa lahat ng mga nagbigay ng kani kanilang reaksyon, kay Glock, Lightspeed, Badboy, Luis Bucoy, at Ira.

    Salamat po sa inyong mga opinyon, at salamat din sa oras na inyong ginugol upang ito ay maiparating, mabuhay po kayo.

    Isang bagay lang ang nais kong bigyang puna.

    Marahil ay hindi ninyo naintindihan ang aking isinulat, ang sabi ko - Claim ng mga Muslim na, "Ibigay ang kanilang pagsasarili sa lupain ng Mindanao."

    "Ibigay ang kanilang pagsasarili".

    Wala naman sa tanong ko ang isyu kung kanino ang Mindanao o kung sino ang una sa Mindanao. Uulitin ko ang tanong para lalo ninyong maintindihan:

    Payag ba kayong ibigay sa mga Muslim sa Mindanao ang kanilang pagsasarili?

    Yon lang,

    Abu A



  8. #8

    Talking

    Mindanao already belongs to the filipinos regardless of race and religion, Muslims are filipinos or aren't they? Also, the Philippines is NOT a christian country, although most of its inhabitants are christians it isn't right to claim that christianity is the "official" religion of the country, The constitution says that no law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, AND the state cannot punish a person for entertaining or professing religios beliefs or disbeliefs. shame on some of you christians for treating muslims as second class citizens and shame on some of you muslims for outcasting yourselves from the general populace because of religious differences, religion just messes everything up.In my opinion, Muslims already own mindanao. What else are you asking for?

    [This message has been edited by Glock (edited 07-16-2000).]

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  10. #9

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    abu a-

    point of clarification.


    what do you mean by "pagsasarili"-independence or self-determination?

    "independence" means they will have their own separate independent state.

    "self-determination" means muslim governed but part of the philippine republic as an autonomous region or a state within a federation.

  11. #10

    Talking

    Originally posted by Ira:
    But aren't Muslims in Mindanao Filipinos, too?

    Ang Mindanao ay lupain ng mga Pilipino!
    Ang Visayas ay lupain ng mga Pilipino!
    Ang Luzon ay lupain ng mga Pilipino!
    Ang PILIPINAS ay lupain ng mga Pilipino!!



  12. #11

    Thumbs down

    I don't agree to the contention that Mindanao is land of and exclusively for the Muslims. With all due respect, Mindanao belongs to the Philippines. As such no group or indivvidual can claim exclusive ownership over the island. There are many Christians in Mindanao who have lived there for decades. Is it right to oust them? I think not.

    Enshrined in our Constitution is the right of abode and travel. Thus, every Filipino, regardless of religion or culture, can live freely anywhere in the Philippines, subject only to the requirements of public safety and security and health. So that Muslims may also enjoy the right to live and move freely anywhere in the Philippines, Mindanao should not be given separate entity or independence.

    Just speaking my mind.

    Alrochi7980

  13. #12
    Democrat for President
    Join Date
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    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii

    Thumbs up

    ANG MINDANAO AY LUPAIN NAG MGA PILIPINO!!!

  14. #13
    fossile sept
    Join Date
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    Location
    Metro_Manila

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    Abu, gulo gulo kasi ng tanong eh... hehehe.. yan, mas malinaw na.
    Payag ba kayong ibigay sa mga Muslim sa Mindanao ang kanilang pagsasarili?

    Oo naman. Kung eto ang paraan upang maipakita natin sa mga kapatid nating muslim, na kahit majority tayong mga Christiano eh nandoon ang paggalang natin sa uri ng paniniwala nila at kalakip dito ang paraan ng pamumuhay na naaayon sa kanilang paniniwala. Self determination ba ang tawag doon? sila ang maggogovern ng mga nasasakupan nilang mga provinces na predominant muslim para malaya nilang mapractice ang kanilang pananampalataya. Hindi bat yun ang purpose ng ARMM. Siguro lang dapat magkaisa ang mga muslim para sa positive implementation ng ARMM. Kung may mga pagkukulang sa mga provisions ng ARMM, pwede namang dagdagan yun. Kailangan lang maging tapat din ang gobyerno sa pagsuporta at pagbibigay pangako sa mga kapatid nating muslim sa kanilang Self governed ideas.

    may solution naman sa mga ganitong problema eh. di lang matugunan kasi di nagkakaisa at walang tibay na naaasahan madalas sa gobyerno na dapat ay nangunguna sa pagsasakatuparan ng mga pangakong ito.

  15. #14

    Post

    I think Abu A. means that Mindanao should be declared an autonomous region, since most of our leaders don't seem to give a hoot anyway with regard to running that island well. Their attentions seem to be focused on the goings-on of Luzon, and to a certain extent, Visayas.

    I am open to the idea of letting the Muslims run Mindanao, as long as it's not seceded from the Philippines. They're the ones living there, they know what they need and what they don't need, and they care a lot more about what happens to their homes for sure compared to our Manila-based politicians.

  16. #15

    Wink

    Ginoong Abu A,

    Lubha po yatang napakalalim ng mga wikain ninyo ah. hehe joke lang po.

    ehh, lolo.. ang Mindanao po ay para sa lahat ng tao. Kung ayaw nilang i-share ang Mindanao, eh di sige.. kanila na ang Mindanao - basta ba amin ang Luzon at Visayas eh! hehehe lugi sila!!

    Sara0 = Jeep


  17. #16

    Talking

    Our brother Muslims in the south were already given the chance to self-governance thru ARMM. A plebescite was held for them to choose to be a member of this region or not.But the result speak the sentiment of the general populace of the "to be created region".Only few provinces elected to become member.That was a chance for them to gain autonomy from the centralized form of Philippine government. Ang ARMM ba ay hindi sapat para sa pag-sasarili(autonomy) nang mga kapatid nating muslim? Seccession is not a solution to the problem, in fact it will only complicate the problem since majority of the Mindanaoans are christians who love to be called Filipinos. There are other groups who planned Mindanao Independence before (remember Mindanao Independence Movement-MIM of Reuben Canoy?) but never succeeded. Tama na yung ARMM, even expanding ARMM to other Mindanao provinces should be ratified by the Mindanaoans by way of a plebescite and not executive orders to hear what really Mindanaoans want.


  18. #17

    Talking

    Originally posted by fossil7:
    Abu, gulo gulo kasi ng tanong eh... hehehe.. yan, mas malinaw na.
    Payag ba kayong ibigay sa mga Muslim sa Mindanao ang kanilang pagsasarili?

    Oo naman. Kung eto ang paraan upang maipakita natin sa mga kapatid nating muslim, na kahit majority tayong mga Christiano eh nandoon ang paggalang natin sa uri ng paniniwala nila at kalakip dito ang paraan ng pamumuhay na naaayon sa kanilang paniniwala. Self determination ba ang tawag doon? sila ang maggogovern ng mga nasasakupan nilang mga provinces na predominant muslim para malaya nilang mapractice ang kanilang pananampalataya. Hindi bat yun ang purpose ng ARMM. Siguro lang dapat magkaisa ang mga muslim para sa positive implementation ng ARMM. Kung may mga pagkukulang sa mga provisions ng ARMM, pwede namang dagdagan yun. Kailangan lang maging tapat din ang gobyerno sa pagsuporta at pagbibigay pangako sa mga kapatid nating muslim sa kanilang Self governed ideas.

    may solution naman sa mga ganitong problema eh. di lang matugunan kasi di nagkakaisa at walang tibay na naaasahan madalas sa gobyerno na dapat ay nangunguna sa pagsasakatuparan ng mga pangakong ito.
    Mula kay: Abu A

    Para kay: fossil7


    Salamat sa oras na ginugol mo sa paghahatid ng iyong mensahe na hindi lamang nauukol sa akin, higit itong nararapat mabasa ng kapwa mo kristiyano. Salamat at isa ka sa dinami dami ng sumasagot sa aking tanong, ang ibig kong sabihin, marunong kang umintindi ng tanong, tulad ni IRA.

    Salamat muli sa inyong magandang opinyon, mabuhay po kayo.

    Isang bagay ang nais kong ipaabot sa iyo, lalo na doon sa mga sumasagot sa aking mga katanungan, tayo po ay hindi magka-away.

    Huwag sana po kayong magagalit sa aking katanungan. By the way, hindi po ako tubong Mindanao, ako po ay isang Cavitenyong yumakap sa relihiyong Islam mula ng akin itong mapag-aralan, kaya't kung may hahangarin man akong lugar, baka Cavite o Batangas, dahil ang mga ninuno ko ay mga Batangeno. He, he, he, baka matakot na naman ang ating mga lider, baka akalain nilang lumalaki ang hihingin lupain ng mga Muslim, joke ko lamang ito, baka hindi na naman ako maintindihan ng ilang hindi marunong umunawa ng tagalog.

    Hanggang sa muli, mabuhay po kayo.

    Gumagalang,

    Abu A



    [This message has been edited by Abu A (edited 07-17-2000).]

  19. #18
    fossile sept
    Join Date
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    Location
    Metro_Manila

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    salamat Abu sa iyong pagtanggap sa aking opinyon. nais ko lang magdagdag sa usapin tungkol sa ARMM na sa tingin ko, ay dahil sa bago pa lang, ay di pa nahaharnest ang full potential ng purpose ng autonomy na to. marami kasi ang skeptic din sa mga kapatid nating muslim, gaya ng mga kristiano, wala ring pagkakaisa, para mapaunlad ang ARMM. well, di mo rin naman masisisi kung wala ka nga namang makukuhang tulong mula sa gobyerno. kung ako sa mga kapatid kong muslim, magkaisa kayo... harnest the full potential of a self ruled muslim government thru ARMM. ipakita nyo sa mga kristyano na kaya nyong paunlarin ang ARMM at kung kaya nyo, compete with the big cities in the philippines.. prove na sa paniniwalang Islam, you can achieve progress in all aspects of human society. hindi bat ito ang gusto ng lahat ng muslim sa pilipinas?

  20. #19

    Talking

    the world is ruled by the mightiest...the one who has the strongest power will rule.

    mindanao is the land of the afp and the squatting people from the visayas and luzon.
    the muslims are now squatters in their historical land.

    it reminds me about the opinion of my priest friend. he said mindanao is like the case of a man who through his kindness and hospitality accomodated a homeless man. a cousin of the homeless came too. then, the brother ana\d the wife. thence, the house become very crowded and non-livable. the visitors opined that they should have a vote to determine if who owns the house...definitely the owner of the house lost and he is booted out.

    this is the scenario in mindanao...shame...

    sense of justice....in the philippines shame and justice is like the maountainous garbage in payatas...it stink...but most people live and die for it...

    mindanao is not owned by the muslims but by the squatters from visayas and luzon supported by the afp mad dog...

  21. #20

    Arrow

    Ang Mindanao ay lupain ng mga Muslim!
    Patayin silang lahat! At gawing fertilizer ang dugong aagas mula sa mga pinutol na ulo nila. Then, Mindanao would be "lupain ng mga patay".

    Hmmm...


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