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    Wink Ahmed's Complaint to Allah

    Allah, you did not practice what you preached. You said, Mo is dearest to me, he is best of creation, he is the top ranked prophet, his mother tongue Arabic will be the language of heaven, he can intercede on judgment day, Iman is not complete unless he is accepted as your rasool. You, and him are mentioned together in quran hundreds of times like you two are equal partners. You and all your angels even sent salam to him. You wrote in the Quran obey me and my apostle, love me and my apostle, follow me and my apostle, listen to me and me my apostle. You left no doubt that he was way higher than all other prophets. He led the prayer of all the prophets in the Meraj night at Jerusalem. Only he could ascend to the 7th heaven to meet you whereas even Jibraeel, the messenger, had to stay back at the 6th heaven. However I personally feel that it was more of lip service than anything else. Actions speak louder than words. You did not deliver what you promised. Let us examine what you really did for my beloved (and your beloved) Mo in comparison to what you did for other prophets.
    • • You gave Noah a life of 950 years, you gave Mo only 63 years. What a shame. Even Ibn Afak, an infidel Jew lived to be 120 and died only when Mo had him assassinated.
      • You made Adam 60 cunits (30 meters) tall but you made Mo less than six feet. Even many infidel 7 feet tall basket ball players dwarf the greatest prophet
      • You made Yousuf so handsome that even his boss's wife chased him around . As far as Mo is concerned, he was the one doing the chasing. Many women even shunned him. As a matter of fact every time he came to Juavaria, his gorgeous captured-women-turned-wife for a quickie, she would stand up and start praying namaz to avoid him (she was known to pray for hours until horny Mo had to go next door to another wife to fulfill his desire). Once he proposed to have sex with a noble woman, she refused and prayed for protection from Allah, how insulting for an apostle. Many of his marriages could not be consummated (perhaps because the young girls given in marriage by fathers probably started crying when they saw the naked old man).
      • You gave Jesus the power to make dead people live, give back parents to orphans and husbands to widows. The only power you gave Mo was to make live people dead, take away parents from children and husbands from wives which any common criminal can do.
      • You gave Sulaiman power to control Jinns who used to bring him treasures from the bottom of the sea. Mo had to rely on himself and his cronies to acquire wealth by looting and pillaging.
      • You saved Ibrahim's son Ismail when he was trying to behead him after a bad dream by replacing his son with a ram. You did no such saving when Mo's sons were dying in infancy.
      • When Younus prayed from inside the stomach of a large fish you listened and saved his life. When Mo prayed from the lap of Ayesha you did not listen, and let him die.
      • You gave long lives to children of Dawood and Yaqoob. Mo had to bury six of his seven children who died young . The 7th (Fatima) died 2 months after his death before reaching 20.
      • You yourself came down to earth to meet Moses. Mo was escorted by Jibraeel on the back of a winged horse and travel billions of miles to see you ( I bet he had a very sore behind after the trip). Could you not come down yourself for your best man.
      • You gave real miracles to all prophets. Ibrahim could convert burning fire into a garden. Moses could convert his staff into a snake, walk through an ocean, give life to a dead cow. Jesus could cure the sick, give eyes to the blind, give life to the dead, make a clay bird fly, talk right after birth. Noah could build an arc to carry millions of animals. Sulaiman could communicate with jinns and animals. All of them had something to show except Mo. When Mo asked for a miracle you gave a run around and said Quran is your miracle. Some miracle, a hodgepodge of silly fables and a collection of misinformation. A book which says Sun sets in muddy spring, stars are missiles to attack jinns, Moon is a lamp, Sun goes around the Earth, mountains are pegs and sky is in seven solid layers. Even kids are laughing at his miracle.
      • You gave Sulaiman mastery of all the tongues of animal kingdom. Mo could not even read or write his own mother tongue.
      • You gave many prophets the ability to cure (Ayub could cure himself by prayer). When sick people came to them they gave them health. When sick people came to Mo , he gave them camel urine (no wonder some of them went berserk after drinking fresh camel urine and committed murders). He could not cure even his own sons whom he desired and loved dearly, all three died in infancy.
      • You sent ababil birds to defeat an army on elephants to protect your own house Kaaba. No ababils showed up when Mo's house in Madina was attacked three times. He almost got killed once.
      • Sulaiman was helped by superhuman invisible help in his wars. No such help for Mo. Yes he won many wars but It was the lure of booty, captured women and the 72 perpetually virgin houris in heaven for martyrs which made his soldiers fight and win, not your ababil birds or the thousands of angels which were promised but never showed up.
      • You were sending Jibraeel for every little information, even to show how to wipe asses, why didn't you send him to warn Mo against eating the poisoned meat which pained him so much and eventually took his life?

    In view of the above facts, can you still say you were fair to Mo.


    -By Ayesha Ahmed

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles...Ahmed40115.htm


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    There are a couple of hyperboles in this short essay. But as far as I know almost everything here is truth with regards to Islamic belief.

    Mohammed who was supposed to be Allah's #1 was the most powerless self-proclaimed prophet of ancient history. His successes were all due to cunning.

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    thats bible and hadith

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    mmm, i'm intrigued at this hadith. why does it exist in the first place?

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    Its similar to the extra-biblical teachings of the Catholic Church.

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    can't say that's a satisfying answer :/ oh well, i'll find an answer elsewhere

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    pasingit ng bente singkong teksas...

    sa aking pagkaka-alam ang hadith at isa pang kahalintulad na aklat na sunnah ay mga aklat na kinikilala ng maraming muslim.

    ang hadith ay talaan ng mga pangyayaring naganap sa buhay ng propetang muhammad na isinulat ng kanyang mga kaibigan, kasama sam misyon at iba pang islamikong iskolar. samantalang ang sunnah naman ay aklat na talaan ng mga kasabihan na maaring ihalintulad sa 'proverbs' o 'kawikaan' na aklat ng mga jkristiyano.

    ang mga muslim na tagasunod ng koran lamang (aba! parang bible only ng mga born again ah!) ay yaong mga tagasunod ng wahabbism na nag-ugat sa saudi arabia na ang pangaral ay yaon lamang mga muslim ang maliligtas at ang mga taong nabanggit sa aklat (kristiyano at hudyo) ay walang kaligtasan sa dagat-dagatang apoy. sa maikli rin salita ang hindi muslim ay infidel.

    sa 'akin' ding pagkaka-aalam, ang wahabbism din ay syang sinisisi ng mga kanluraning bansa sa paglaganap ng terrosrismo sa dahil sa mga ektremista nitong pangangaral. karamihan ng mga nakilalang teroristang namatay nuong 9/11 ay mga saudi at tagasunod ng wahabbism na siya ring itinutulak ni osama bin laden.

    bukas po ang aking isip sa pagliliwanag ang iba pang nais magdagdag sa aking mga nasabi ganun din po sa mga nais itama kung mayroon mang pagkukulang sa aking mga nabanggit.



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    Originally posted by Quentin
    can't say that's a satisfying answer :/ oh well, i'll find an answer elsewhere
    Heheh...So sorry Quentin, I apologize for my laziness..I didn't think anybody would want to know hadith seriously, majority of us being Christians

    Hadith are the so-called sayings compiled by Islam's famous hadith compilers. They are what Muhammad was suppose to teach outside the Quran, or explanations to the Quran. They say that hadith collection started 200 years after the death of the prophet. Hadith and sunnah are classified according to their degree of authenticity.

    Sunnah are the actions of the prophet, how he did things.

    These are examples of Hadith and Sunnah:

    • "The Prophet never urinated in standing position" (Hanbel 6/136,192,213).

      "The prophet urinated in standing position" (Bukhary 4/60,62).

      "A group from the Ureyneh and Uqayleh tribes came to the prophet and the prophet advised them to drink urine of camels. Later on, when they killed the prophet's shepherd, the prophet seized them, gouged out their eyes, cut their hands and legs, and left them thirsty in the desert" (Bukhary 56/152, Hanbel 3/107,163).

      "Moses was scared by the angel of death, thus Moses slapped him and blinded one of his eyes".

      "I am the most honorable messenger, on the day of the judgment only I will think of my people" (Bukhary 97/36).

      "Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah" (Bukhary 65/4,5; Hanbel 1/205,242,440).

      "Bad luck is in the woman, the horse, and the home" (Bukhary 76/53).

      "If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified." (Bukhary 8/102; Hanbel 4/86).

      "The prophet gave permission to kill children and women in war" (Bukhari, Jihad/146; Ebu Davud 113).

      "The earth is carried on a giant bull; when it shakes its head an earthquake occurs" (Ibni Kathir 2/29; 50/1).

      "Leaders have to be from the Quraish tribe" (Bukhary 3/129,183; 4/121; 86/31).

      "You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils" (Hanbel 4/85; 5/54).

      "God is the time" (Muwatta 56/3).

      "To prove His identity, God opened his legs and showed the prophet His thigh." (Bukhary 97/24, 10/129 and the comment on the Sura 68.)

      "The parchment that the verse about stoning to death for adultery was written on was eaten and abrogated by a goat." (Ibni Majah 36/1944; Ibni Hanbal 3/61; 5/131,132,183; 6/269).

      "A tribe of monkeys arrested an adulterous monkey and stoned it to death, and I helped them" (Bukhary 63/27).

      "When the prophet died his armor had been pawned to a Jew for several pounds of barley." (Bukhari 34/14,33,88; Hanbal 1/ 300; 6/42,160,230).

      "The punishment for cutting the fingers of a woman is to pay her: 10 camels for one finger, 20 camels for two fingers, 30 camels for three fingers, and 20 (twenty) camels for four fingers" (Hanbel 2/182; Muvatta 43/11).

      "The prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing" (Bukhari 59/11; 76/47; Hanbel 6/57; 4/367).

      "Muhammad possessed sexual power of 30 men" (Bukhary).

      "Do not eat and drink with your left hand, because Satan eats and drinks with the left hand" (Hanbel 2/8,33).

      "The prophet said:'Do not write anything from me except the Quran. Whoever wrote, must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel 3/12,21,39).

      "The prophet ordered Amr Ibn As to write everything that he speaks" (Hanbel 2/162).

      "Omar said: Quran is enough for us, do not write anything from the prophet" (Bukhary, Jihad 176, Gizya 6, Ilim 49, Marza 17, Megazi 83, Itisam 26; Muslim, Vasiyya 20,21,22).


    I really am not sure how hadith came about but they were supposed to be transmitted by word of mouth for 200 years. I believe these hadith writers are power hungry people who prey on the gullibility of the masses, and say that only hadith and sunnah is the explanation of the Quran. Maybe you could search the internet for "History of Hadith" I have an article in my possession. I can email it to you if you are interested.

    Peace!
    Last edited by ahmed; Jan 28, 2004 at 07:56 PM.

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    Re: pasingit ng bente singkong teksas...

    Originally posted by Ginataang_suso
    ang mga muslim na tagasunod ng koran lamang (aba! parang bible only ng mga born again ah!) ay yaong mga tagasunod ng wahabbism na nag-ugat sa saudi arabia na ang pangaral ay yaon lamang mga muslim ang maliligtas at ang mga taong nabanggit sa aklat (kristiyano at hudyo) ay walang kaligtasan sa dagat-dagatang apoy. sa maikli rin salita ang hindi muslim ay infidel.
    Mawalang galang na po ngunit mali ka sa puntong yan, kaibigang Ginatang Suso..bihirang-bihira ang mga muslim na naniniwala sa koran lamang. Halos lahat, siguro mga 90% ng mga muslim ay naniniwala sa hadith at sunnah o sa mga iba pang tulad nito. kasama doon ang mga wahabbi na kaanib sa sunni islam na saan doon ay kaanib sina Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Abu Sabaya at Kumander Robot at mga Taliban.

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    judging from what you posted, it does indeed look like a lot of rubbish o_O so i now understand where you're coming from.

    couldn't agree with it being similar to the Catholic explanation of the Bible though, at least those were approached in a scholarly manner or presided upon by sensible people. i mean where can you find something like "possessing the sexual power of 30 men"

    ngaps, musta pareng suso?

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    Those hadiths were agreed and done by scholars whom they considered sensible and who has the authority to place opinions on certain religious issues.

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    repang not-not, kwento mo nga kay repang quentin bakit ayaw ng mga muslim sa aso na halaw sa din sa sunnah. shanga pala, tad-baleks yung eksplaneyshon ko, hadith pala ang kawikaan at sunnah naman yung mga gawa ni muhammad, pbuh.

    oy repang ken, musta na din. taghirap ang haybu ngayon eh, kailangan mapunta sa ibang lugar kaya nawala muna sa pex.

    o sha, daming mat-sala sa inyo at eto lekba na naman sa pex.


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    hi ahmed maybe you can explain something to me,

    you remarked before in one of our discussions that Christians should only look to the Bible for sources of Truth and Doctrine (of course, we Catholics replied that we look to Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition), so what is your position regarding the Hadith?

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    Hadith sucks, piggy.

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    G. Suso, kaya ayaw ng mga sunni sa aso ay dahil takot ang mga anghel dito. At pag walang anghel na lalapit sayo, walang blessings.

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    Hahaha..thanks Ahmed.

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    That means "tradition sucks", Piggy. The Hadith is tradition.

    Ahmed, may I ask you what is the percentage of Koran-only believers in the Muslim world? Thanks.

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    I know CaliMaki...

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    Originally posted by CaliMaki
    That means "tradition sucks", Piggy. The Hadith is tradition.

    Ahmed, may I ask you what is the percentage of Koran-only believers in the Muslim world? Thanks.
    Very small, Cali. I don't know how much. But i think they are growing, and some still in their closets.

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    Originally posted by ahmed
    Very small, Cali. I don't know how much. But i think they are growing, and some still in their closets.
    Bakit still in their closet?

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