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  1. #81
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    I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

    What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

    I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

    Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?

    In my experience, MLMers seem to believe in their own value propositions, business legitimacy and ability to generate profit. Yet they constantly shroud their business models and processes in order to lure distributors to their indoctrination seminars.

    I hope some of the MLMers here can address this issue.

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    One such "e-commerce seminar" was 15 minutes of Internet prospects and 90 minutes of hawking PH-balanced cosmetics.

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    Originally posted by Mikoid
    I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

    What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

    I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

    Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?
    They're trained that way. The whole point is their big shots acknowledge that MLM has a bad rep, so they hide the real products/company, etc., bec. they know that when most people get wind of it, they'll say no. They just have to trust in their presenters and presentation materials later on to convince those dumb enough to actually attend their seminars.

    Don't get me wrong, Mr. Palacio, I'm not saying that ALL groups do this. I must say that the major MLM groups are generally more forthright about things, especially Amway, since they have a track record spanning many years. I don't want you to suffer from apoplexy.

  4. #84

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    Originally posted by brownpau
    Originally posted by palacio_a
    Theorethically over-saturation can happen...but in reality it can't pyramids are those companies who has no products...MLM is legit and will go the extra mile traditional business wasn't able to accomplish... if you like more info about MLM go read books about MLM in text books in ATENEO!! btw, Aloe vera gel is not overpriced if you like to contest that i'll just laugh... aloe vera gel can get rid of almost all your health problems now how much can that cost in a hospital?
    I won't contest your flood of arguments for the legitimacy of MLM as a business. You are, after all, entitled to your opinion, and I'm sure that just because Ateneo teaches it, that makes it a perfectly legitimate venture. But on pricing, just a note on costs...

    Aloe Vera Gel, distributor-level: P450.
    Aloe Vera Gel, "manager"-level: about P225.

    Managers get a 50% discount. That's with rebate figured in already. So what's the real cost of the product, and why is it so grossly overpriced (double!) when it could be readily available to the consumer at 50% of the distributor cost? That's not just wholesale-to-retail markup, and not just import tax. It's payment to customers whose main advantage, again, is that they started earlier. Is that legitimate? More importantly, is that ethical?
    Look prove to me about those figures? Where did you get it and how did you came up to that conclusion?

    MLM is legit, ethical, and moral. MAN now i know how the early pioneers of something new felt. In forever living WE all get 30% discount at the start so we all start equal it's up to you to climb the ladder of FLP so you can get bigger rebates and bigger income which would total to 43% + 18%, excluding all the incentives and rewards for higher perfomance levels, which means you have to WORK to get the priveledge but a person who started late can earn more what the earlier guys earn as long as he WORK harder than the early birds and that concept you are try to use is 4 PYRAMIDING schemes and FLP is not, NOT, of such scheme.

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    Originally posted by aticus
    from: palacio_a
    first of all... you don't know anything about MLM, that for sure i know, so read about MLM first before you speak your ideas, which is by the way a wrong idea of MLM(MAGALING YUNG MGA NAG-AGREE SA KANYA!), i suggest you discuss this with ateneans taking MLM courses so they can enlighten you about MLM.
    Well, I find your insult of a fellow PExer a bit disturbing. In any case, I studied in Ateneo. Now I'm a consultant and one of my clients in the past three years is one of the biggest MLM groups in the country. I know what I'm talking about with MLM. I can even give you the facts and figures, including the processes and prices, of groups like Amway, Nu Skin, etc., etc.

    That said, however, I will have to agree with Brownpau and many others who say that MLM is a dodgy proposition for many, many people.

    And to take off from zimdude's question about who loses, let me say the following:

    1) Not every MLM group, even the legitimate ones who actually sell real products, have products that people will really use. My favorite example has always been Amway's "Glister" toothpaste. I mean, seriously, I know at least 20 Amway distributors personally, and NONE of them use it. That's right. Zero. Nada. They use Colgate, mostly. This means that the prospects for long-term growth are difficult, bec. at the end of the chain, you'll have people who invest thousands for products they don't use and can't sell. The end-users lose, mostly. And the distributors who are stuck with difficult to sell items also lose.

    2) Yes, there will be oversaturation eventually for many MLM groups. And my definition of oversaturation is, I think, a bit more realistic than mr. palacio's. I don't define oversaturation as having too many people as distributors. Of course you'll never get even as much as 10% of a country distributing the stuff you sell. I define oversaturation as having NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS. This, I believe, is already happening with many groups. It is also why it is imperative that the products you sell be priced attractively, because when you can't sell to your friends, the only way to make money is to recruit total strangers. And THEY won't buy on the basis of trust alone. Since these products are priced atrociously high, it is extremely difficult to penetrate other markets.

    3) Finally, NOT EVERYONE GETS RICH WITH MLM. In fact, I can say with confidence that, contrary to the nice statistics your MLM marketer will show you, a majority of MLM salespeople are not only NOT rich, but are struggling to make a living. Mr. Palacio aside, there aren't many multi-millionaires in MLM. Most of them are those who came in within the first 6 months of operation, and are often friends of the main distributor here in the Philippines. I know one MLM company whose sole "diamond" distributor, the guy who won the BMW prize, was actually the father-in-law of the guy who started it all! No one else has won the BMW in the company. I'm not surprised at all.

    I would seriously caution anyone about joining an MLM group. The people who sell are highly-trained, very glib, and quite impressive-looking. But they don't always sell you products you can use. And the only way for you to often make money is to get all your friends and family involved, many of whom will rue the day they joined you.
    In my humble opinion, I would only consider at most two or three groups to be viable long-term options for most Filipinos.

    My advice? Make sure the products you are required to purchase are those you would regularly use yourself. If YOU don't use them, why would you expect your friends and family to? And would you really sleep well at night knowing you sold your mom toothpaste that isn't as good as Colgate and costs much more?

    And I'm sorry, I just can't resist , but I am not "slundering" anyone!
    Well said... but....

    Just how credible are you?

    The thing is people would judge something they thought they know about when in reality they don't know much about that certain topic. KE GAW in chinese and nagmamarunong in filipino.

    1) Not every MLM group, even the legitimate ones who actually sell real products, have products that people will really use. My favorite example has always been Amway's "Glister" toothpaste. I mean, seriously, I know at least 20 Amway distributors personally, and NONE of them use it. That's right. Zero. Nada. They use Colgate, mostly. This means that the prospects for long-term growth are difficult, bec. at the end of the chain, you'll have people who invest thousands for products they don't use and can't sell. The end-users lose, mostly. And the distributors who are stuck with difficult to sell items also lose.

    ---- That is in the case of Amway, but you are generalizing, not all MLM companies have worthless products which means it depends on which company you joined. MLM if with the right products can attract prospects in the long run, WAY LONG, as in the case of Taiwan, go figure what happened there(off the topic). The end-users... depends still on the company you joined... so in other words this #1 rebutal is totally dependent on what MLM company you joined... GETS?

    2) Yes, there will be oversaturation eventually for many MLM groups. And my definition of oversaturation is, I think, a bit more realistic than mr. palacio's. I don't define oversaturation as having too many people as distributors. Of course you'll never get even as much as 10% of a country distributing the stuff you sell. I define oversaturation as having NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS. This, I believe, is already happening with many groups. It is also why it is imperative that the products you sell be priced attractively, because when you can't sell to your friends, the only way to make money is to recruit total strangers. And THEY won't buy on the basis of trust alone. Since these products are priced atrociously high, it is extremely difficult to penetrate other markets.

    ---NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS... really now? you sure as in really sure about this? have you tried pushing products of a certain MLM company and what company? STILL IT IS DEPENDENT ON WHICH COMPANY YOU JOINED. PRODUCT QUALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!( i have to agree most MLM companies lack this) the main reason why many MLM companies fail(they sell low quality products) NOT WORTH YOUR MONEY indeed. However, not all MLM companies are like this, DON'T generalize.

    3) Finally, NOT EVERYONE GETS RICH WITH MLM. In fact, I can say with confidence that, contrary to the nice statistics your MLM marketer will show you, a majority of MLM salespeople are not only NOT rich, but are struggling to make a living. Mr. Palacio aside, there aren't many multi-millionaires in MLM. Most of them are those who came in within the first 6 months of operation, and are often friends of the main distributor here in the Philippines. I know one MLM company whose sole "diamond" distributor, the guy who won the BMW prize, was actually the father-in-law of the guy who started it all! No one else has won the BMW in the company. I'm not surprised at all.

    ---- AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPANY YOU JOINED and also depends on the distributors activity level and commitment to what he is doing. look at it this way, you have juan tamad and juan masipag which one do you think would get the prize of earning big in MLM, STILL dependent on the company you joined. you main enemy in MLM is yourself, you attitude towards life in general, why do you think most people prefer to end up as employees anyway? They dont have much resposibility and they like a happy go lucky lifestyle, or hanging around, DONT TELL ME I'M WRONG JUST LOOK AT LIFESTYLE'S OF THE RICH? AND FAMOUS? EMPLOYEES(NOT ALL). So don't generalize.

    Finally, i do agree with your last comments about being catiuos in joining MLM companies because not all are as good as my company.

    HOW TO CHOOSE WHICH MLM COMPANY TO JOIN?
    1) look at the company profile.
    -a MLM company must atleast have been operational for 10 years. look if it has a history of law suits, loans, etc... THE BOTTOM LINE IS DIG FOR RELAVANT INFO ABOUT THAT COMPANY and trust the facts only.

    2) look at the products.
    -the products must be practical, economical, and safe to use. i recommend daily consumables, health products, and cosmetics(NOT ALL).

    3) look at the marketing plan or compensation plan.
    -when looking at a marketing plan don't get excited about the percentages and estimates but look at how many people have proven that the marketing plan works.

    "LOVE THE INDUSTRY, LOVE YOURSELF"
    -FLPPI CULTURE

  6. #86

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    Originally posted by Mikoid
    I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

    What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

    I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

    Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?

    In my experience, MLMers seem to believe in their own value propositions, business legitimacy and ability to generate profit. Yet they constantly shroud their business models and processes in order to lure distributors to their indoctrination seminars.

    I hope some of the MLMers here can address this issue.
    It's because.... people rejects the networker the minute they hear the word MLM or Networking. So we have to guise to get door entry, I myself dont like this part but... what choice do we have against a misinformed public.

    However, not all distributors are like this it depends on his/her style.

    We use this style of invitation to get the prospect to a meeting place so we can try to open his/her mind about MLM and educate her what MLM is REALLY about.

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    Originally posted by aticus
    Originally posted by Mikoid
    I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

    What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

    I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

    Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?
    They're trained that way. The whole point is their big shots acknowledge that MLM has a bad rep, so they hide the real products/company, etc., bec. they know that when most people get wind of it, they'll say no. They just have to trust in their presenters and presentation materials later on to convince those dumb enough to actually attend their seminars.

    Don't get me wrong, Mr. Palacio, I'm not saying that ALL groups do this. I must say that the major MLM groups are generally more forthright about things, especially Amway, since they have a track record spanning many years. I don't want you to suffer from apoplexy.
    This is true... some MLM companies are like this.

    "They just have to trust in their presenters and presentation materials later on to convince those dumb enough to actually attend their seminars." siguro isa ka sa mga yun noh? The proper term is we advertise to get people to buy or join, much like ads in traditional media not all of them are as good as they say they are.

    "LOVE THE INDUSTRY, LOVE YOURSELF"
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    Hmmm... How credible am I? It really depends. I never had to deal directly with MLM distributors because the people I dealt with are at the President/CEO/Founder level. (Please note, I've dealt with more than one MLM group, and have attended MLM seminars for more than 5 different groups as part of my work.) So do I understand you at your level? Probably not. I have a slightly different level of understanding...

    As for the different "generalizations" you accuse me of making, I invite you to read that post again. When did I ever say that ALL MLM companies were bad? I used words like "many" which does not in any way imply universality. If you got hurt by what you thought was a direct reference to your company, perhaps you found more in my post that hit home than I would have thought you could get from a deliberately vague post (You'll notice I NEVER mentioned Forever Living, or any other MLM group by name. I only mentioned Amway's Glister as an example of a product few would use.)

    In fact, look at the two posts directly above this one. You admitted that my answer to Mikoid's question was spot on. I do believe the only word you took exception to was "dumb," but that was meant as a general statement reflecting how most Pinoys feel when they realize they've been hoodwinked and fooled into showing up. Yes, the word "fooled" is a harsh one, but it is true. You yourself have admitted that you DON'T TELL PEOPLE THE WHOLE TRUTH. What, exactly, is that if not fooling someone? And if you attend a seminar in the guise of an IT seminar only to find out you've been invited to an MLM seminar, wouldn't YOU feel dumb?

    Once again, if you felt I was targeting Forever Living, I would like to say categorically that I was not. To be frank, your group never entered my mind during any of my posts. If, however, you found things in my posts which hit close to home, perhaps you should look more to your company than to my posts. I mean, if your group is entirely innocent, why bother reacting to what I said? Are you part of the "many" that may be bad? I thought you said you're not. In which case, my posts do not apply to you. To be fair I actually had a decent impression of Forever Living before I read your posts. Now I'm not so sure.

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    Palacio_A, I think you're the one who's, um, slundering here. I know what I'm talking about, and Theophilo does, too. He should. I recruited him; he's my downline.

    Having graduated to the second rung of "Assistant Supervisor" level at Forever Living (FLP), and having read books and articles by authors for and against the MLM system, I can honestly tell you I've seen both sides of the fence. I am familiar with the workings of the business, and I continue to keep an open mind about the gray areas of the MLM debate, but always keeping sound biblical AND economic principles in mind at all times.

    Now, market oversaturation isn't likely for a network marketing company like FLP, mainly because the products are consummable, so you continue to buy more as your juices and lotions are depleted; and there's always the chance that you might actually have a satisfied end-user at the bottom of the chain, not recruiting, but still perfectly willing to pay exorbitant prices in exchange for some pretty good products. (e.g. almost P1000 for less than a half-gallon of Aloe Juice!) The question is: can you in good conscience charge that much for the product, knowing full well that its actual price is less than half that, and that the surplus profit is paying the commission of customers whose main advantage is, I reiterate, that they are above you on the chain?

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    By the way, I got an excellent Christian perspective on MLM culture and economics from an article by Pastor Dean Van Druff, at http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html .

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    Actually, brownpau, when you come to think of it, the cost is LESS than 50% of the selling price. How else would all those rich founders make money? If your top distributor gets it for 50% off, you can rest assured that means the product probably costs only 25% of the actual price, if not significantly less.

    Herbal Life, for instance, charges about a 1000% profit. For every 10 centavos of cost (it's actually much less, believe it or not) they charge the end-user P1.

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    For the products distributed by traditional methods (i.e. wholesaler-retailer-enduser, e.g. PNG and unilever products), I think the actual cost of the product is also less than 50%. I think about 70% goes to the wholesaler and retailer. Same is true with pharmaceuticals (where marketing cost takes the bulk).

    So, with the MLM model, the money that is supposed to go to the wholesaler and retailer goes to the people who can refer as many people as they can and train others in this business of "referring". Like, have you earned a peso for referring a really nice movie to many friends?

  13. #93

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    When you realize that your MLM business is a multi-million peso (or dollar) business, you don't make deals in the sidewalk or by phone. You meet some place and talk.

    Most people who want to know what it is all about on the first phone call and are quick to prejudge usually do not deserve to be in a big business. These are the average and below average people. The achievers are usually more open, and are willing to come over for a cup of coffee or an open meeting, like some of you in this thread. The meeting is just for the prospect to see what the business is so he or she can make an intelligent decision. Isn't this how big business is usually done?

    Some MLMers do not realize that what they are offering is a multi-million peso (or dollar) opportunity. So thats why they are not comfortable inviting people. They think they're just in some sideline business. Well, what you think is what you create...

    These motivational seminars which sometimes could be "cultic" to some are designed precisely to motivate the MLMer and the new-comer...for them to BECOME WORTHY of a multi-million peso (or dollar) business.


  14. #94

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    Originally posted by bagyoboy
    When you realize that your MLM business is a multi-million peso (or dollar) business, you don't make deals in the sidewalk or by phone. You meet some place and talk.

    Most people who want to know what it is all about on the first phone call and are quick to prejudge usually do not deserve to be in a big business. These are the average and below average people. The achievers are usually more open, and are willing to come over for a cup of coffee or an open meeting, like some of you in this thread. The meeting is just for the prospect to see what the business is so he or she can make an intelligent decision. Isn't this how big business is usually done?

    Some MLMers do not realize that what they are offering is a multi-million peso (or dollar) opportunity. So thats why they are not comfortable inviting people. They think they're just in some sideline business. Well, what you think is what you create...

    These motivational seminars which sometimes could be "cultic" to some are designed precisely to motivate the MLMer and the new-comer...for them to BECOME WORTHY of a multi-million peso (or dollar) business.
    Do you happen to be a FLPPI distrubutor?

    Bec. I believe only FLPPI Dist's have that much knowledge on MLM that most dist. in other companies has, Due to the extensive training i guess. If otherwise, it is nice to hear that other companies are now going into the same picture, investing on knowledge

  15. #95

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    Originally posted by brownpau
    Palacio_A, I think you're the one who's, um, slundering here. I know what I'm talking about, and Theophilo does, too. He should. I recruited him; he's my downline.

    Having graduated to the second rung of "Assistant Supervisor" level at Forever Living (FLP), and having read books and articles by authors for and against the MLM system, I can honestly tell you I've seen both sides of the fence. I am familiar with the workings of the business, and I continue to keep an open mind about the gray areas of the MLM debate, but always keeping sound biblical AND economic principles in mind at all times.

    Now, market oversaturation isn't likely for a network marketing company like FLP, mainly because the products are consummable, so you continue to buy more as your juices and lotions are depleted; and there's always the chance that you might actually have a satisfied end-user at the bottom of the chain, not recruiting, but still perfectly willing to pay exorbitant prices in exchange for some pretty good products. (e.g. almost P1000 for less than a half-gallon of Aloe Juice!) The question is: can you in good conscience charge that much for the product, knowing full well that its actual price is less than half that, and that the surplus profit is paying the commission of customers whose main advantage is, I reiterate, that they are above you on the chain?
    Fine, then I'm just so sorry that i can't make you look at things in a better lime light. Then it seems that you should stop doing MLM because a prerequisite requirement for a networker is that they believe in the industry. Any lack of it would mean your failure in MLM. So please leave the industry for you'll just add to what we call "worms" they make the business rot from the inside ny spreading negative energy in a particular office.

    Sad to say most networkers are like youm, misinformed.

    The thing is networking are only for the ELITE with the proper mindset, attitude, and ethics to become succesful financially, emotionally, and spiritually.

    The thing is if MLM is what your hyperlinks say it is... then it is up to you to believe it.

    I leave you to your own opinion... and i'll carry mine nut one thing is for sure pro's and con's will never meet in the middle.

    I would continue to pursue my career as a proffesional networker and you continue on what you like to do, whatever it is, you continue to become con and i'll try to educate the masses.

    One thing is for sure and i can stand 4 and i'm ready to kill 4 it.... MLM can change the mindsett of Filipino, and other races as well.... The ability to dream the impossible dream, beleive in the incredible, and achieve the challegnge at hand, TO BECOME A EXTRAORDINARY PERSON AND NOT BE SATISFIED WITH A MEDIOCRE LIFE.

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    Having graduated to the second rung of "Assistant Supervisor" level at Forever Living (FLP), and having read books and articles by authors for and against the MLM system, I can honestly tell you I've seen both sides of the fence. I am familiar with the workings of the business, and I continue to keep an open mind about the gray areas of the MLM debate, but always keeping sound biblical AND economic principles in mind at all times ---> sorry but he is only an AS to any networkers eyes he's a newbie and the believe system of an AS is so shallow i cant say if an AVERAGE AS would survive a year in MLM... Y? they copied from the wrong person(s).--->i wont contest his well being i dont know him.---->TIME IS THE GREATEST JUDGE OF ALL WE WILL SEE IF A PARTICULAR NEW IDEA IS GOOD OR BAD.... IN DUE TIME.

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    "...Only the "elite", the achievers, those who can be stable under the greatest pressure, the most intellectual people, the most emotionally sound, those who really want to practice the GOLDEN RULE or universal justice, etc., in other words THE CEAM OF THE CROP can succed in MLM."

    -CULTURE of STUDENT CORE INT'L

  18. #98

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    Originally posted by palacio_a2
    Do you happen to be a FLPPI distrubutor?

    Bec. I believe only FLPPI Dist's have that much knowledge on MLM that most dist. in other companies has, Due to the extensive training i guess. If otherwise, it is nice to hear that other companies are now going into the same picture, investing on knowledge
    Nope I'm not with FLP. I got my training from Network 21, a training company for Amway distributors. Network 21 provides leadership tapes; provides hard-to-find and not-available-in-national-bookstore leadership and business books (e.g. Rich Dad Poor Dad); and organizes functions for distributors and would-be distributors (functions of the Zig Ziglar type, maybe even better, but at more affordable rates). This company is owned by one of the top Amway distributors - Jim Dornan (an aeronautical engineer turned MLMer, and now motivational speaker, and author). N21 is independent of Amway and basically provides training for Dornan's group.

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    One thing is for sure and i can stand 4 and i'm ready to kill 4 it....

    The thing is networking are only for the ELITE with the proper mindset, attitude, and ethics to become succesful financially, emotionally, and spiritually.

    sorry but he is only an AS to any networkers eyes he's a newbie and the believe system of an AS is so shallow i cant say if an AVERAGE AS would survive a year in MLM...

    Aaahhhh, I see it now.

    Ready to kill for MLM, are we now? Just for the "ELITE", is it? So I'm just a lowly AS newbie, am I?

    What kind of business makes you forget your own principles so that you're even ready to kill for it?

    What kind of business makes you regard its practitioners as higher, "elite" life forms over the ones who prefer traditional business?

    And what kind of business causes you to look down on people who are lower in rank, with little or no respect for their position or dignity?

    I'd like to say that I can't believe the utter arrogance of some of the things you spout. But that would be lying. I can believe it, simply because I've heard it from other MLM'ers before. The system got to them, it changed them. And it changed them for the worse. And it's happened to you too. Look at the way you're talking. Take a good, hard look at the way you've displayed yourself in our forum. There's a reason your first nick was banned.

    If your aim was to cast MLM's in a better *ahem* "lime light," you've done exactly the opposite, and shown the worst of what an MLM can do to a person. You've lashed out at pro- and anti-MLM'ers alike, and practically flamed anyone whose view deviates even slightly from the wildest fanaticism for your MLM fetish.

    It makes me glad I stopped actively recruiting.

    (Now go on, rail at me for having a loser's mindset, for settling for mediocre dreams, for putting down the shining gold road to shining success and financial independence.)

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    Originally posted by bagyoboy
    For the products distributed by traditional methods (i.e. wholesaler-retailer-enduser, e.g. PNG and unilever products), I think the actual cost of the product is also less than 50%. I think about 70% goes to the wholesaler and retailer. Same is true with pharmaceuticals (where marketing cost takes the bulk).

    So, with the MLM model, the money that is supposed to go to the wholesaler and retailer goes to the people who can refer as many people as they can and train others in this business of "referring". Like, have you earned a peso for referring a really nice movie to many friends?
    Thank you, bagyoboy, I think I prefer that view of the MLM business plan: a generous referral scheme which more evenly distributes the weight of pricing among loyal customers.

    For a company like FLP, which produces good-quality products and is able to sustain a consistent cash flow for its harder-working distributors, my MLM qualms are more about scruples than economics. Oversaturation and pricing issues are less of a problem to such a company than the cultic fanaticism arising from the business.

    What bugs me is that all of these MLM companies tout the money made by their distributors rather than the products they offer. I don't think that should be the case; a good company should draw in people with the quality of its products or services, not by baiting consumers with the amounts of cash its distributors make.

    I think MLM's would enjoy a lot more credibility if they position themselves more as offering products with a generous referral scheme, rather than as furtive moneymaking opportunities using a so-so product just as cover for the "business".

    Avon seems to be doing okay with it. Don't they follow a similar multi-tiered networking model? But the company is still about health and beauty products, rather than a moneymaking plan, isn't it?

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