Multi-Level Marketing (MLM)

[IanMEst]

nice one sir
kung meron lang sanang quality products katulad ng products ng akuna na kapresyo ng commercial brands dito sa pinas, d ako magdadalawang isip, sasali agad ako

I can guarantee you, dude, unique itong product ng Akuna. Grabe nga yung mga testimonials ng mga pumupunta dito 'pag may meeting. Menstruation problems (bumalik after 3 years O_O), weight loss, cramps, impotence, grabe minsan nakakagulat eh! Hehe!

If you want to see how Akuna is doing, I'll be glad to. I won't give you the sales talk, I'll just show you around! Salamat sa maganda at nakaka-encourage mong mga salita, bro!

[fundraising]

@IanMEst

I'm not againts MLM, sure there are people who earned money from it, made millions perhaps...

but I aint so sure how many people you can recruit specially since the entry fee is almost 4 times a regular employees salary

Im sure you would have an entry lower than 35k,

anyway, goodluck and happy networking.


sayang, hindi ko napahaba yung reply, wala tuloy ako sa uso

[bonjito]

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[tennisace]

bonjito, this is what I posted in the previous page:

“This is a forum for discussing issues concerning MLM.

This is NOT a venue for advertising your MLM.

If you consider yourselves “entrepreneurs” or “businesspeople” then be professional and place your recruitment propaganda in the appropriate forums that are available for this purpose.

Don’t be a pinheaded schmuck. Stop the spam. Not only does it make you look amateurish, it also shows how clueless you really are.”

So, are you a pinheaded schmuck?

Now, concerning your USANA, did you know that the average USANA distributor’s gross income in the US is less than $55 per month? Did you know that in a relatively smaller market such as the Philippines, the average gross income is over 60% less than that of their US counterpart? Have you figured that your net income after deducting your MLM-related expenses is probably less than zero? Do you know that that the dropout rate is over 90% across the board? Do you know that the USANA executives have been cited in court for misrepresenting their certifications and qualifications? Did you know that a class-action lawsuit filed by USANA distributors in California alleges that USANA failed to disclose "material adverse facts" to recruits, notably that 87 percent of active distributors are losing money and that the company's business model amounts to a pyramid scheme requiring a constant churn in the sales force?

[mhyron11]

magtinda na lang ako ng barbeque bka kumita p ako hehe

[IanMEst]

@IanMEst

I'm not againts MLM, sure there are people who earned money from it, made millions perhaps...

but I aint so sure how many people you can recruit specially since the entry fee is almost 4 times a regular employees salary

Im sure you would have an entry lower than 35k,

anyway, goodluck and happy networking.


sayang, hindi ko napahaba yung reply, wala tuloy ako sa uso

Ako, since I started 2 weeks ago palang, wala pa, hehe (which I should really start doing already!). But, I have a fellow distributor who just started on October, but has already sold around 30 bottles and has recruited 6 people who bought the 35k package. Grabe. Ang lakas! I asked her what her secret was. She told me that bago daw siya matulog, tumatawag siya ng mga 5-10 people, haha!

Another thing, maraming tao ang kayang magproduce ng 35k. An important part of doing direct sales is profiling your prospects. The GM of Akuna says that the rationale of the 35k being heavily promoted is that Akuna wants to attract serious business builders. Of course, that's going to happen because you want to get your 35k ASAP! But yes, we do have cheaper options (Start up @ 9.2k, Silver Package at 22k) and the promotion to the Leader position (Gold Package @ 35.6k) is very achievable.

Sorry, nakikuso. Ang haba nanaman ng post ko! And yes, fundraising, happy networking to all of us!

[fundraising]

@bonjito

ano package mo???

*** 35k din?

had you checked your market?

[calfism]

actually kung san san n akong company napunta, Vera 7, tag, etc, kumita ng malaki tapos nag sara, nag Vmobile n din ako, 2lungan daw pero kahit isang spill over d man *** ako bnigyan , takte

ngayun nsa uno ako, 2weeks p *** ako pero ok naman, share ko lang, natulungan ako kce nabibigyan nmn ako ng spill over, tapos mentor ko pa eh *** top four, c up RS malamang kilala nio un =_= asset ng uno un e

kung interesado ka at kung akala mong linoloko kita
txt mo n *** ako 09176684201
papa2nayan ko sayo

ang spill over hindi hinihingi yan. Pag meron, edi thank you, unless nag promise sila ng todo todo na bibigyan ka nila. Hindi ka tatagal for sure kung umaasa ka lang sa spill over. Wag ka umasa sa upline mo na siya magpapalaki ng network mo, naka guide lang yan sayo.

[BEYSTOS]

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[kuyakikoy]

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[BEYSTOS]

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[tennisace]

Let me post this again:

"This is a forum for discussing issues concerning MLM.

This is NOT a venue for advertising your MLM.

If you consider yourselves “entrepreneurs” or “businesspeople” then be professional and place your recruitment propaganda in the appropriate forums that are available for this purpose.

Don’t be a pinheaded schmuck. Stop the spam. Not only does it make you look amateurish, it also shows how clueless you really are."

[IanMEst]

Let me post this again:

"This is a forum for discussing issues concerning MLM.

This is NOT a venue for advertising your MLM.

If you consider yourselves “entrepreneurs” or “businesspeople” then be professional and place your recruitment propaganda in the appropriate forums that are available for this purpose.

Don’t be a pinheaded schmuck. Stop the spam. Not only does it make you look amateurish, it also shows how clueless you really are."

It's quite hard, actually, I admit. It's very tempting to want others to try the company you're distributing for. Being in this business for a few weeks has shown me that not everyone is averse to network marketing. I think it's a legitimate and honorable way of earning a living. I just hope that people research more about what they're going to get into.

I do agree with you that posting 2-3 lines of propaganda without actually writing honest experience with their MLM company is not proper for this thread. Ako naman, I'm happy kasi alaga ako (ayan, mukha nanamang recruitment ang post ko). Anyway, I hope everyone wins in wherever they joined.

Anyway, for all the networkers in this thread, a few tips --

1. Stop the generic advertising online - You may have a larger reach, but so does the person who posted the ad before you. It's better to share / sell in person because you can connect to your prospect.

2. Qualify your leads - Are they interested in earning? Are they simply interested in the product? Are they jaded with network marketing? Are they a potential business partner? Do your research and share your business properly. Some people get turned off by being taken to a recruitment seminar when they simply wanted the product.

3. EDUCATE BEFORE INVITING - If you want to gain credibility, answer your prospect's questions honestly and completely. To succeed in this business, TRUST is very important. I've had prospects tell me that my company is great and they'd like to sign up because I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT I WAS DOING AND NOT SHOVING A "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY" DOWN THEIR THROATS. Honestly, nakakainis kasi kung nanggugulat ka.

4. Smile and take it easy - Less of the hard sell and more of sharing. If they're not interested, then they're not. If they are, then answer their questions. Smile - it removes the awkwardness

5. Be ethical - I think that if a reputation of one network marketing / mlm / direct selling company suffers, the industry suffers. So think twice before using cloak-and-dagger tactics. If you destroy your company, you destroy others as well.

There you go. I hope this helps those who are in this industry. Happy networking!

[fundraising]

networking is actually legal.

almost all MLM companies I've seen are all legit.
(legal, registered etc...)

its the people in the company thats scamming other people and doing networking unethically

they themselves are ruining their own image.


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Had you ever been fooled by someone, telling you that you are qualified for a manegerial position in their company, then all of a sudden they are recruiting you for their MLM company.


some people will tell you that you will be going to a party and have fun, then they'll be bringing you to their MLM center, then theyll be recruiting you.


some networkers are claiming that their competitors are scammers or their competitors products are not effective (placebo), so that you would ruin their competitors name as well. and you'll have more reasons to join them


some networkers are claiming thaat they are making millions a month. yet they really are not making any money


my friend joined a networking company, because his friends showed him a bag load off money and has a new car.
only to find out that the money was loaned from a bank by 7 people, and the car was rented.

some will say, you wont have to work hard for this, you'll just earn the money "bigtime"


and so on....
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now those companies are legit, but the people working for them are not

.......
I myself is involved with MLM, I joined them because they are real.

-when they invited me, they told me that it was networking (no lies)

-they showed me how much they are earning, some are earning no more than 50 pesos, and how few actually earns a good money from MLM (no lies)

-they even mentioned their drop out rate (8-9 out of 10 new members drop out in their first 3 months) (no lies)

-they mentioned their competitors, said nothing bad about them, then gave me a choice whether to choose them or their competitors or not to join at all (no pressure)

-they told me I have to work hard for this (no lies)

-they even told me how and how not to recruit, who and who not to recruit

-they even told me what to say and how to say it.

-they even thought me how to do networking properly, ethically, and effectively.

-they also gave me a lot (i mean tons) of reasons not to join them, then a few (less than 5) reason why i should join

(I bet you wont find our team in this forum, or see any online spam advertisements from us.)

I just hope that all networkers would be the same.
BE REAL

[jong_deleon]

By following the steps outlined here, a more truthful assessment can be made. Here is how should a person being recruited into an MLM estimate the true odds of their being successful, regardless of effort:

Step 1: Obtain average earnings statistics.
Obtain from the MLM recruiter the average earnings statistics for the MLM you are examining, showing the average amount of money paid by the company in commissions and bonuses to participants at the various levels in the compensation plan.

Caution: If the MLM won't provide statistics of average earnings, you should consider that a red flag, as it would for anything promoted as a “business opportunity” or “income opportunity.”

Step 2: Determine total incentivized or “pay to play” expenses – and other purchases expected of participants.
From the compensation plan, determine the minimum incentivized or “pay to play” purchase requirements. In other words, how much in products and services will you be expected to purchase (even if supposedly for resale) in order to qualify for commissions and bonuses, and to advance up the various levels in the pay plan.

Caution: Avoid falling for the ruse that you don’t have to purchase anything, or that you can sign up just to get the products at a discount. If you listen carefully to the pitch of the MLM recruiter, it should soon become clear whether they are selling the products, or the opportunity. If the latter, it is deceptive to sell you on signing up so you can buy products. Ask this question: “Is this a buyers’ club - or an opportunity chain?”

Step 3: Try to find out the average total amount of money paid to the company by participants.
If the company will provide it, you should also get the average of the total amount of money paid to the company by participants at each level for products and services purchased from the company. It is an important piece of information that MLMs have been unwilling to provide, though it is crucial information, since prospects have a right to know the likelihood they will lose money or come out ahead. Even if – as MLM promoters claim – it was not possible to get total operating expenses, average amounts of money paid in to the company per participant should be readily available.

Caution: Avoid falling for the line that purchases that you make for their own use are purchases you would have made anyway and therefore should not count. Typically, similar products can be purchased for a small fraction of the price from alternative sources. And purchases are seldom continued after participants terminate.
The point that you want to determine is how many people come out ahead financially from their participation. The formula for profitability is very simple – money paid by the MLM to participants less money paid to the MLM by participants. Most, if not all calculations show the balance is nearly always negative, meaning a net loss for participants. And it is even worse if you subtract operating expenses.

Avoid accepting uncritically the MLM promoter’s claims that the products have magical properties that will heal or prevent every disease on the planet and that they can only be obtained through this particular MLM. Many MLM promoters claim to have the latest and greatest “pills, potions, and lotions” – or the best and most unique of some other products or services. Note the ingredients and shop around for at least comparable products through other outlets – you will be surprised at what you can save.

Step 4: Obtain – or estimate – the company’s attrition/retention rate.
Prospects should ask their recruiter to furnish the company’s attrition (dropout) rate; i.e., the percentage of recruits who sign up only to drop out within a year – and over a five or ten-year period. If they can’t or won’t furnish it, you can assume that it exceeds the minimum of 50% per year. Over a five-year period, at least 95% typically have left the company; and usually after ten years, nearly all but those at or near the top of their respective pyramids will have dropped out.
At the very least, you can assume that 90% of participants will terminate within five years, and at least 95% within ten years. This is useful to know, since MLM's published average earnings reports will often include top-level participants who were there from the beginning – which may be ten years or more. To be statistically valid, all dropouts and terminations should be included for the same period as for those participants included at the top levels.
If any company challenges the assumption of attrition of 90% for five years, and 95% for ten years (or retention rates of 10% and 5% respectively), ask company officials for data to prove otherwise.

Caution: Don't accept an MLM’s statistic for the total number of "active" distributors or participants as the base used for calculating what percentage of participants succeeded in rising to the various levels. Again, if the "successful" participants who have been with the MLM for ten years are counted, then every person who signed on with the program during that same ten-year time period. should be counted in calculating success rates - whether they are active, inactive, or terminated. The MLM practice of comparing only currently "active" participants (most of whom have been there only a short time) with "successful" participants who have been there for many years, greatly skews the numbers in their favor - a huge deception.

[jong_deleon]

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Step 5: Obtain – or estimate – minimum operating expenses needed to conduct a successful recruitment campaign.
Estimate minimum operating expenses necessary to successfully recruit. It is true that most MLM participants purchase a few products, find recruiting and selling very tough, and then quit without spending much money. But hundreds of MLM participants rarely – if ever – move into the profit column without an aggressive recruitment campaign carried out over a period of time.

Caution: MLM promopters often claim that many or most participants just work part time for a little cash to supplement income, to meet Christmas expenses, etc. This is one of their biggest deceptions. Profitability in MLM does not come cheaply or easily. It’s very costly and time-consuming, and compensation plans require consistent effort over time to advance in any MLM scheme.

Don’t accept the argument by promoters that success in MLM recruitment costs little or nothing. New MLM recruiters will soon start getting the cold shoulder from friends and relatives and have to recruit elsewhere. Again, anyone who climbs the ladder in the compensation plan must spend not only a great deal of time, but a considerable amount of money to be successful.

Step 6: Calculate the profit/loss rate.
Now put it all together. This means debunking the figures supplied by the company by including ALL who signed up during the same period during which those who “succeeded” are counted – and then subtracting expenses as explained above. Even if you just go back five years, you can multiply the MLM company’s published success rate by a factor of 0.10 (retention rate with 0.90 attrition rate) to get a success rate much closer to the truth. Then select all distributors who earned enough to have exceeded the break-even point; i.e., incentivized or “pay to play” purchases plus estimated operating costs. Again, don’t assume resale of products at heightened retail prices unless they can show you the actual sales receipts to prove it.

[evilgenius15]

PeX pips, patulong naman po sa pagsagot at pag disseminate ng survey namin for thesis,
target namin respondents ay from the general public, so kahit sino pwedeng sumagot

Applicability of Unconventional Transit Systems in selected Metropolitan Areas in the Philippines

merry xmas! and thanks in advance!

[fundraising]

@evilgenius15

this was rather inappropriate for the topic discussion.
but for the sake of education. I completed your survey.

you now owe me one
to pay me back, you have to make sure that after you graduate, you will not be just an employee.

be an entrepreneur

[arcenoelzap]

http://networkingphilippines.blogspot.com/