born again christians on love

[joe_higashi]

well thanks to the threadstarter

my Pastor told me to say that im a Protestant pag may nagtanong eh hehe.

yup B.A. and just happy i became one

on to Point 2 kaya lang medyo...

Later! na muna.

note: you can also post your tips, di ko monopoly ito.



thanks and GodBless. ü

[Quentin]

not to be on the side of morgranrate and all, but somewhere there's something that stinks of self-righteousness. not very Christian like. has it come to the point that you are the 'better' person than the other? you have 'dug deeper in life' that you understand it more than who 'seemingly' wasn't able to do as well?

respect. tolerate. understand.

those are what people should be cultivating regardless of what religious (or non-religious) labels you put beside your name.

[joe_higashi]

reminder: we did not label ourselves.

who we are is who we are that's all sir.

[joe_higashi]

to further clarify i meant this:

but there are girls out there who would very much like it if their boyfriend will consider GOD as the center of their relationship....

meaning in general.

[Tee_Z28]

we do understand....

don't take it as something that's to belittle you guys, ayt? it's not being self-righteous ... it's what Christ warned us with when He said do not be equally yoked because there would be clashes like this....

AGAIN: there are wounds that can only be healed by GOD and questions that can only be answered by Him as well... so i am ENCOURAGING everyone to try GOD.. what have you to lose?

[Tee_Z28]

wouldn't you want for the person you're going to love to love even the people you love?

[morganrate]

To Tee_Z28: i don't care if they chose god over me. I had a girlfriend who is a Christian and i had better arguments than this.

wouldn't you want for the person you're going to love to love even the people you love?

I would like that but i'd want her to choose the people she would like to love.

don't take it as something that's to belittle you guys, ayt? it's not being self-righteous ... it's what Christ warned us with when He said do not be equally yoked because there would be clashes like this....

Is it applicable only to 'love' then? Clashes, i mean?

Self righteous? No, not that. "Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is" - albert camus. These are all for justifications.

[joe_higashi]

...i'd want her to choose the people she would like to love.

i agree with you on this one.

Is it applicable only to 'love' then? Clashes, i mean?

yes. if you get naivety out of the picture. as i've suggested: LIVE!

Self righteous? No, not that. "Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is" - albert camus. These are all for justifications.

who is albert camus?

[joe_higashi]

nwei don't worry we'll post more about these things. so you and any other "christian" can understand. hopefully.



in the meantime be optimistic about this conversation.

thanks.

[morganrate]

Joe: Explain about the clashes thing.

Albert Camus is one of my favorite philosphers.

nwei don't worry we'll post more about these things. so you and any other "christian" can understand. hopefully.

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't need it. The only reason why i started posting in this thread because i don't like the way you, and apparently another, talk about life with god in it and all.

[Quentin]

^ well if you've hung out in the Realm of Thought section a year back, you'll encounter a person you'll love to bits

he got banned so bad even his future children wouldn't be able to log on to pex

[morganrate]

Quentin: Really? hahahaa, that's too bad for him! Hihihihi!

try Him morganrate... experience PEACE and JOY inexplicable... it's for free... no strings attached...

I have tried him. I even devoted myself to serve him and the church. However, he wasn't all there is to reality, the reality which i know.

Try Marx, Nietzsche, Camus, and Sartre - appetizers for you.

oh about PDL... is it too gibberish for you? REALLY? boy you need to dig deeper into your life...

On the contrary, you are the one who needs to dig deeper into your life. And also, try not to dig in just one location, the world is huge, try digging some other places other than that.

[joe_higashi]

Originally posted by morganrate
Joe: Explain about the clashes thing.

Go to page one. there are the essentials and the non-essentials.

Originally posted by morganrate


Albert Camus is one of my favorite philosphers.

my favorite after Jesus, the Apostles John and Paul is Ringo ah esteh si Ayn Rand

Originally posted by morganrate
Thanks, but no thanks. I don't need it. The only reason why i started posting in this thread because i don't like the way you, and apparently another, talk about life with god in it and all.

okay your choice.

on to point 2.

[joe_higashi]

gosh naalala ko tuloy.

sa band scene halos ganyan din eh..

there's your band, playing doing your thing.

iba iba talaga tao, meron magagalingan, merong mayayabangan.

yun lang yun.

next poin is about ministry nga pala. so sige po! hope everything is settled.

[joe_higashi]

Originally posted by Quentin
^ well if you've hung out in the Realm of Thought section a year back, you'll encounter a person you'll love to bits

he got banned so bad even his future children wouldn't be able to log on to pex

whoa! sino yun? naalala ko di na nagpopost eh sina Baal, jmartyr saka si... basta meron pa eh...

and you i remember you too.

actually favorite ko kayo nila moochie and freakster and offcourse mickerymoc.

you guys are eyeopeners for me.

thank ha.

[Tee_Z28]

ok... my apologies....

[joe_higashi]

Love Is A Choice

John 15:11-13

These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.

Why does the Bible instruct us to love one another over and over again? Because God knows, we are the only one who can make the "choice" to Love, everday of our lives!

We remember well the days of thinking that love was a "feeling"! Its just something that happens to you!

That "feeling" you get, is because someone has CHOSEN to love you!

There is nothing magical about love. All the romance books and movies lead us all to believe that love is this special thing that only the "lucky" seem to have. Wrong...everybody is entitled to love.

The day we married, our Pastor said "Each and every day you must wake up and choose to be married". Getting married does not mean everything will now take care of itself, because after all, we are now married. However, it is not so much work that it is a burden either.
When we choose to love our mates we are choosing to accept this person as another one of God's children, and the mate with which to spend our lifetime with.

Choosing to love means:

# I choose to Love my husband/wife
# I choose to be patient with my mate
# I choose to be kind to my mate
# I choose to please my mate
# I choose to forgive my mate
# I choose to honor my mate
# I choose to trust my mate
# I choose to be understanding to my mate
# I choose to grow with my mate
# I choose to encourage my mate
# I choose to help my mate
# I choose to be truthful to my mate
# I choose to be faithful to my mate
# I choose to be unselfish with my mate
# I choose to be hopeful with my mate
# I choose to speak in love to my mate
# I choose to be my spouse's mate the rest of my life!

What "Choice" have you made today?

Even if you are troubled in your marriage or your partner is not responding as you would like, we must still make the choice first in ourselves. Do not let your heart become hardend. Ask God for the strength for you to choose to "love" today. Expecting nothing in return, open your heart to the gift of Love.

A Marriage Prayer

Thank you Lord for the love you have given us. We thank you for giving us the power to make the choice to love. Help us dear Lord to see every day as a new beginning. We ask for your guidance in all the choices we make today. Let us treat each other as you would treat us. We Thank you for this marriage you have given to us, let us be ever mindful of the gift our marriage is from above.
In Jesus name we pray,

Amen

[joe_higashi]

Faith and freedom

Love must be chosen. If God somehow intervened in our lives in such a convincing way that no other explanation was possible, and did so repeatedly so that the impression would never fade, we would have no choice but to believe. People who are interested in certainty—whether they are Christians or atheists—will try to convince you that God is clearly present in the world or that God is clearly absent in the world. I don’t believe that either one of these positions is viable. If God were merely powerful, he could easily convince us all of his presence and get us to do whatever he wanted, and if God doesn’t exist we could all easily be convinced of his absence. But I think that most people find themselves somewhere in the middle, having to make a choice. God is present enough so that those who choose to pursue his presence are free to pursue it, but absent enough so that those who choose to reject his presence are free to reject it.

quoted here

All The Heavens
Hillsongs Australlia
Holy holy are You Lord
The whole earth is filled with Your glory
Let the nations rise to give
Honour and praise to Your name
Let Your face shine on us
And the world will know You live
All the heavens shout Your praise
Beautiful is our God
The universe will sing
Hallelujah to You our King

[expectantheart]

thanks for the posts! nakakatulong.

[joe_higashi]

oh gising ka na? kumusta script mo?

[aina_angel]

hi guys! greetings to all of you! im a christian. and im proud to be one! but for me, religion is really not important. what matters most is: "Who is God in your life?" having a personal relationship with God is not all about following ritual or traditional rules but it's all about who God is in a person's heart. it's about having Jesus as the Lord of all areas of your life, or not Lord at all.

when you get to know the real character of God, you'll be amaze on how romantic and wonderful God is.just like what happened to me. im single right now, but i know and i do believe that God has created someone for me right out there! same with each and everyone of us. we just have to focus our sight to Jesus and allow Him to bring the best things and wonderful blessings into our life. God bless you all!!!

[joe_higashi]

well God Bless you too!

eventhough i agree only with this:

we just have to focus our sight to Jesus and allow Him to bring the best things and wonderful blessings into our life.

i don't agree with this one:

but i know and i do believe that God has created someone for me right out there! same with each and everyone of us.

it cannot be called LOVE it is not from our own choice. that is what relationships are all about.

^ that may sound unspiritual to some but the idea of a "soulmate" sounds paganistic and a tradition to me

we are free to choose whom to love but it should be under God's perimeters. We are created to choose whom to love.

sowee diversity at work.

[aina_angel]

hi joe_higashi! thanks for the comment! well, im don't believe in soulmates as well. regarding with me previous post, my point is that God really did create someone for each and every one of us. but of course, God will never gave us someone that we can't even think or imagine loving or being with that person hehehe you know, that is also used to be my fear. i keep on asking myself and God what if this guy that He created for me is someone far from my ideal man?that's why we just have to trust Him and allow Him to bring the best "blessings" in our life. and i do believe that having a wonderful relationship is part of God's blessings for us.

that's just my belief! thanks again for your comment!!! God bless you joe_higashi!!!

[joe_higashi]

ooh

regarding with me previous post, my point is that God really did create someone for each and every one of us.

this is the very definition of a soulmate is sis

its never love if someone is handed over to us like an dead OBJECT. as you said we are talking about a PERSON here. and yes we can love someone we can't even think or imagine loving or be with that person as long as he/she is of the Light and chooses to love us back freely not handed over.

just look what Jesus did? are we even lovable with our sinfull nature?

NO

but He chose to give His life for us to be in the light again. you know why? coz love is a free choice. His Father's given perimeter?

Spill your Blood and Die for All Men Son...

remember God supports us in everyway unless its goes against His given perimeters. But He waits and love us which is a FACT.

do not be equally yoked. <-- which is my choice coz i don't want some girl to Love Jesus because i influenced her. It has to be on her own freewill.



Thanks and GodSpeed.

[aina_angel]

Originally posted by joe_higashi
ooh


do not be equally yoked. <-- which is my choice coz i don't want some girl to Love Jesus because i influenced her. It has to be on her own freewill.

you're right about this! i totally agree with you. by the way, what's your church????

[joe_higashi]

i'll give you a hint

it plays Hillsongs, Vineyard and CFNI music, meron speak in tounges, trinitarian etc

hihi

anyway.

[tatsumaru]

Tee_Z28

and yes i might want to invite you in a bible study. there are wounds and questions only GOD can heal and answer and I cannot give that to you it will be revealed to you by GOD... try Him morganrate... experience PEACE and JOY inexplicable... it's for free... no strings attached...

Did you really invite morganrate to a Bible study?

try Him morganrate... experience PEACE and JOY inexplicable... it's for free... no strings attached...

Morganrate is a Roman Catholic! All the religious icons, statues, communion bread and wine, the rituals and formulated prayers, the priests, the figure of Christ hanging from the cross-- they are in essence, Christ to him. That is what comes into his mind when you refer to God, or "Him". In all likelihood, morganrate has never come before the one, true God, because he doesn't know how, or even where to look. I think you and the majority here are blinded by pride. If you are still an infant in your faith, your carnality would be understandable but still not excusable. You should be careful of what you say.

[tatsumaru]

joe_higashi

You seem to have a positive outlook on life and you were patient with morganrate. But you took almost everything morganrate posted literally. Also, a lot of what you posted seems pervaded with greek-roman philosophy. The concept of man not having a "need" to choose, but choosing to choose for the sake of choosing? Sounds like something one of Nebuchadnezzar's priests would say.

The problem is, you think you are making perfect sense to morganrate and to everyone else. If you stopped bombarding your mind with philosophy for just a month, and came back to read what you posted here, I bet you yourself wouldn't understand it. Choice is indeed inevitable. We need, and I emphasize the word need, to choose. There is no middle ground between heaven and hell. You must choose! A person either accepts Christ or rejects Him. There is no "in between". The person needs to choose!

Pride is the folly of man. Predestination does not preclude choice. How the 2 can exist in harmony is beyond our ability to understand. Example: God ordained Adam's purpose. God knew what Adam would do, what he would choose (rebellion), even before the first day of Creation. How? God is omnipotent. How God could know what we would choose before we even choose it, yet, make it possible for free will to still exist, is impossible for us to comprehend. Many Christian philosophers refuse to accept this because of pride. Pride leads them (and great multitudes of Christians) to accept worldly philosophies, mixing and matching them with Bible passages to make their own "interpretations" palatable. The Christian church has already compromised in so many ways and now is paying the price-- apostasy.

[joe_higashi]

Choice is indeed inevitable. We need, and I emphasize the word need, to choose. There is no middle ground between heaven and hell. You must choose! A person either accepts Christ or rejects Him. There is no "in between". The person needs to choose!

Your perception. for me: The person naturally HAS a choice. sa terms lang tayo siguro nagkakaiba kasi im 100% for freewill.

God knew what Adam would do, what he would choose (rebellion), even before the first day of Creation. How? God is omnipotent. How God could know what we would choose before we even choose it, yet, make it possible for free will to still exist, is impossible for us to comprehend.

well parang ganito yan.. Kunyari may anak na ako, tapos naglagay ako ng Ice Cream saka Cauliflower sa ref. I know for sure na Ice Cream ang pipiliin nya. so nagalaw ko ba ang freewill choice nya? Hindi.

lalo na si God nasabi mo nga na omnipotent eh.

di ba how would He know if Adam didn't take action on his own freewill? remember di sya gumawa ng puppet.

in every action there is an opposite and equal reaction

Sir Isaac Newton

offcourse there'll gonna be action or decision present. its only natural. and God foreknows that because it'll happen no matter what.

Predestination does not preclude choice.

and

How God could know what we would choose before we even choose it, yet, make it possible for free will to still exist, is impossible for us to comprehend.

I personally believe yun nga you said for you choice is inevitable, for me its natural IMHO, so God has foreknowledge. Predestination for me[for now] is == PLAN. Romans 9, Eph 1:4.

anyway pangROT na ito for now im in the middle of a discussion, about Arminianism[which i think im naturally 'am] Calvinism and Open Theism.

so i have a conlusion right now na pwede pang mabago.

eto oh.

we have freewill, God foreknows it leaves us alone coz we are not puppets. but then all is covered coz we have the LOGOs.

saka teka and i don't see im guilty of "pride" here im only adamant.

*bat parang nilipat natin ROT dito?

[joe_higashi]

Originally posted by tatsumaru
Tee_Z28



Did you really invite morganrate to a Bible study?



Morganrate is a Roman Catholic! All the religious icons, statues, communion bread and wine, the rituals and formulated prayers, the priests, the figure of Christ hanging from the cross-- they are in essence, Christ to him. That is what comes into his mind when you refer to God, or "Him". In all likelihood, morganrate has never come before the one, true God, because he doesn't know how, or even where to look. I think you and the majority here are blinded by pride. If you are still an infant in your faith, your carnality would be understandable but still not excusable. You should be careful of what you say.

well if you noticed she already apologized.

Godbless and Goodnite po muna.

oh and im NOT talking about inbetweening here.

[aina_angel]

Originally posted by joe_higashi
i'll give you a hint

it plays Hillsongs, Vineyard and CFNI music, meron speak in tounges, trinitarian etc

hihi

anyway.

Victory Christian Fellowship ba???

[morganrate]

Morganrate is a Roman Catholic!

I'm not saying that I'm not a catholic.

In all likelihood, morganrate has never come before the one, true God, because he doesn't know how, or even where to look.

Oh really? Believe me i looked, and i wasn't satisfied. Don't judge me by your petty insights. You don't know where i've come from, you don't know what i have experienced, so stop talking as if you know me.

I think you and the majority here are blinded by pride. If you are still an infant in your faith, your carnality would be understandable but still not excusable. You should be careful of what you say.

Infant in my faith? "outgrown" would be a much appropriate term.

Maybe i am blinded by my pride, well, aren't we all?

[morganrate]

Sounds like something one of Nebuchadnezzar's priests would say.

Who the hell are they?

we have freewill, God foreknows it leaves us alone coz we are not puppets. but then all is covered coz we have the LOGOs

Augustine, perhaps?

Freedom of the will... Absurd.

[joe_higashi]

^ no morganrate i think tatsumaru is talking about sis Tee, which have apologized na. and no need para dikdikin pa nagsisi na yung bata..

and offcourse.. me.

[joe_higashi]

Originally posted by morganrate
Who the hell are they?



Augustine, perhaps?

Freedom of the will... Absurd.

Baka si Pellagia ba yun? well you know what guys this is a topic for ROT na talaga.

[morganrate]

Ok a, instant reply. Parang nasa ym lang ako a.

^ no morganrate i think tatsumaru is talking about sis Tee, which have apologized na. and no need para dikdikin pa nagsisi na yung bata..

Ahh... sensya na, di ko nabasa. Di ko naman sinasadya un e, kung alam ko lang na babae pala si tee e di na sana ako humirit. Sensya na Tee.

[joe_higashi]

Hehe online tayo pareho eh

[tatsumaru]

joe_higashi

You seem to have a good disposition and a positive mental attitude. It is good to be pleasant and accomodating to people. But I think you are seriously lacking in wisdom and you are learning much untruth. Nebuchadnezzar was a Babylonian king whose dreams were interpreted by Daniel. I'm referring to the Daniel who was thrown to the lions, but who, by God's grace survived, not a Pex forumer named Daniel. Joe you need to know the Bible. If you do not know the Truth, you cannot possibly know Him. Calvinism is heretical in that it is a practical denial that Christ died for all. Calvinism insinuates that Christ died only for the "predestined to be saved", which is a blatant lie. In short, Calvinists cannot comprehend God's ways, and therefore, try to rationalize their man-made tenets out of pride.

Much of what you've said is characteristic of Graeco-Roman and Babylonian philosophy with a "Christian" flavor, which is why it is so palatable to the majority of non-Christians.

well parang ganito yan.. Kunyari may anak na ako, tapos naglagay ako ng Ice Cream saka Cauliflower sa ref. I know for sure na Ice Cream ang pipiliin nya. so nagalaw ko ba ang freewill choice nya? Hindi.

Yes, we are in agreement with regards to free will. That's a good way of illustrating free will, but you totally missed my point.

in every action there is an opposite and equal reaction

That has nothing to do with free will or choice.

anyway pangROT na ito for now im in the middle of a discussion, about Arminianism[which i think im naturally 'am] Calvinism and Open Theism.

Those are some very disturbing -ism's. You would do well to concentrate on the Bible alone, rather than on extremely biased and *self-serving interpretations (-ism's) of the Bible.
*self-serving to the founders of those -ism's.

saka teka and i don't see im guilty of "pride" here im only adamant

In my opinion, you're a nice guy. Very accomodating. But I haven't read enough of your posts to see what consistently motivates you.

bat parang nilipat natin ROT dito?

What is ROT? You should not be surprised when people challenge your faith when you claim to be Christian. In fact, you should be deeply troubled if the world treats you well after claiming to be such.

well if you noticed she already apologized.

I understand that people make mistakes but humility is supposed to be a characteristic of Christianity. And you think that was a humble apology. Alright, I'm not going to debate something that is as clear as daylight.

I can see that you are open-minded, and that is good. But I hope you will seek God's Word with an open heart and an open mind. I hope you will focus on the Bible and reject untruth. The things you post here and the way you live your life is a testament to the unsaved. Just reminding you.

[tatsumaru]

morganrate

Oh really? Believe me i looked, and i wasn't satisfied. Don't judge me by your petty insights. You don't know where i've come from, you don't know what i have experienced, so stop talking as if you know me.

I used to go to the chapel and afterwards pray sincerely while kneeling on a dirt path in front of a large crucifix in the blazing sun every day. I remember taking communion as much as 3 times a week. The bulk of extra-curricular activities were geared towards moulding my peers and I into good Catholics. Confession was encouraged almost every week. "Recollections" were the norm. When it was time for offertory, I gave. When it was time to sing, we sang. We were always serious about attending mass.

You need to look elsewhere. It is unlikely, but not impossible that you would find God here (thread). It is also unlikely, but not impossible that you would find God in a Baptist, Born-again, Anglican, Evangelical, Berean, etc. church. But I do hope that you will find God soon. If you sincerely and persistently seek God and His Word, you will find Him. I guarantee it.

Maybe i am blinded by my pride, well, aren't we all?

You don't see a difference in the lives of born-again Christians and secular people. There is supposed to be a clear distinction though. And this distinction would have brought about faith and conviction in many people's lives.......

Freedom of the will... Absurd.

You just rejected the concept of free will. That in itself is evidence of your freedom to choose- an unrestrained exercise of your will.

[joe_higashi]

ei tatsumaru

You seem to have a good disposition and a positive mental attitude. It is good to be pleasant and accomodating to people. But I think you are seriously lacking in wisdom and you are learning much untruth. Nebuchadnezzar was a Babylonian king whose dreams were interpreted by Daniel. I'm referring to the Daniel who was thrown to the lions, but who, by God's grace survived, not a Pex forumer named Daniel. Joe you need to know the Bible. If you do not know the Truth, you cannot possibly know Him.

Huh? what's this got to do with our conversation? yup i know that event.

Calvinism insinuates that Christ died only for the "predestined to be saved", which is a blatant lie. In short, Calvinists cannot comprehend God's ways, and therefore, try to rationalize their man-made tenets out of pride.

yup i know this too.

Much of what you've said is characteristic of Graeco-Roman and Babylonian philosophy with a "Christian" flavor, which is why it is so palatable to the majority of non-Christians.

again your perception. I don't refer to "choice" as something bonding or bondaging <-- word check i guess you know what i mean, when you say it is a "need" you seem to gotta have a certain degree of "emotion" involved. I say its natural just like breathing, someone can decide to stop breathing and die if they wanted to.

suggestion: control choice not be controlled by it. <-- mindset lang yan Romans 12:2, kaya kita mo outcome: optimism

syempre dun ako kesa naman, oh i need to choose, oh i need to be distinct , oh i need to etc...

as insensitive as it may seem pero:

When feeling is united with mind, it generates emotion. Emotion is the activity of feeling directed into a mental concept. The feeling energises a conceptual response to a stimulus. Feelings are primarily either pleasant or unpleasant ; rarely are they neutral. Hence there are two possible conceptual responses to any stimulus, which in turn leads to two possible emotional responses.

taken here Nature of Emotions

and

Our very lives are open to choice, what we do is up to us and is not just the inescapable outcome of causes outside our control.

Yan ss i've said NATURE, now couple that with RESPONSIBILITY and offcourse OPTIMISM.

He has made me glad,

He has made me glad,

I will rejoice,[phil 4:4 my choice]

Coz He has made me glad

Yes, we are in agreement with regards to free will. That's a good way of illustrating free will, but you totally missed my point.

what point? i need it? it controls me? IMHO ikaw if you need "choice" bahala ka. i just DO.

in every action there is an opposite and equal reaction

That has nothing to do with free will or choice.

i was talking about this:

free choice of man = action
reaction = God.

Man made the action on his own freewill, and because of that, God knows it in advance and acted on it...

Those are some very disturbing -ism's. You would do well to concentrate on the Bible alone, rather than on extremely biased and *self-serving interpretations (-ism's) of the Bible.
*self-serving to the founders of those -ism's.

well i just discovered it. ako pa anti-"labelling" ako. i can't even believe i was an Arminian to some people, well i don't care actually.

Viva Sola Scriptura!

In my opinion, you're a nice guy. Very accomodating. But I haven't read enough of your posts to see what consistently motivates you.

Im here to give a suggestion on how to be HAPPY, assertively and pass on the JOY i know. The J word is the one that's motivating me.

What is ROT? You should not be surprised when people challenge your faith when you claim to be Christian. In fact, you should be deeply troubled if the world treats you well after claiming to be such.

the Realm of Thought threads, i was surprised three or four years ago. well Not anymore in fact im happy because i can get knowledge and/or wisdom from it.

I understand that people make mistakes but humility is supposed to be a characteristic of Christianity. And you think that was a humble apology. Alright, I'm not going to debate something that is as clear as daylight.

Thanks but how could you judge tee like that, baka nga kung ano na nangyari dun eh.. Hey Tee okay ka lang?

or if you're talking about me, i just get over things easy. if apologized, i apologized and that is the truth. i don't need to be bawling, is that what you want? Hypocrites can do a dramatic apology too you know.

I can see that you are open-minded, and that is good. But I hope you will seek God's Word with an open heart and an open mind. I hope you will focus on the Bible and reject untruth. The things you post here and the way you live your life is a testament to the unsaved. Just reminding you.

Well we don't "need" a certain philosophy that says we need to choose.

This is the last time i will reply to any "religious" or philosophic post except if its an LCM topic.

Well anyway, thanks and Godspeed.

So teka musta na ba lovelife mo tatsu?