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Old May 16, 2005, 10:23 PM   #161
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and who said that reply was meant for you?

perhaps you'd care to post more "arguments?"
oh really? e halos lahat naman natatawa na sa iyo e.
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Old May 16, 2005, 10:24 PM   #162
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dumb? you haven't even "rebutted" what i've said.

all i've seen from you is and crazed ranting. is that the best argument you can come up with?

oh, don't presume i don't know how serious this is. im a music listener just like you (though not as impaired).

Session Road should pull the song off their album. how ridiculous can you get?
DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUMB!!!

I will only take you seriously if you're worth it. There's no point discussing the subject of "music stealing" with someone who DON'T really know anything about it. You can't even tell the difference between a "ripped-off" song and a "parody" and yet you still have the guts to preach us like you know shyt about it. How stupid can a man get? It's just basic A-B-C and yet you know NOTHING or can't even tell the difference about it and STILL you're pretending you know a lot (so friggin annoying). Just admit it...you don't really know anything and move on.

Before you post anything...please support your arguments with facts. Hindi yung para kang nanghuhula na kesyo Parkoya blah blah...so Session Road blah blah...ok lang yang magnakaw blah blah...kse madami naman gumagawa nun blah blah...





You're just a jack@ss pretending to be a smart@ss...a cockeyed monkey!

It's really annoying to see people like you...

st.anger play dead...chuut chuuut!

just play dead...for the love of god!
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Old May 16, 2005, 10:33 PM   #163
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but so far none of you have explained how making a song into a parody justifies "ripping off" a song. is it in the intention of the artist? clear that up first. don't assume i don't anything know about "rip offs" and evade my questions.

again, some of you may have missed this post so i'll repeat it:

if we are going to question the band's intentions, it's a matter of opinion. if some people find it more acceptable for a band to parody another band's song (w/c PnE did) rather than giving tribute (w/c
Session did).. well, that's their preference.

and why do i feel like im being ambushed by alternicks?

if you fellas feel that you've been gravely insulted by this band for underestimating you, by all means, launch a campaign to discredit and shame them. let's see how far you'll go.
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Old May 16, 2005, 11:11 PM   #164
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because a parody is not a rip off. in a parody, the artists give credit to the original band, songwriter, and composer. unlike sa ripping na inaankin mo ang isang song na halata naman na kinopya mo.

and dont think we're alternicks. ano yon pag gagang upan ka ng isang tao? ang korni naman nun. we dont need to do that to prove our point. not worth our ****ing time.

"when you said is it in the intention of the artist", it is already cleared by Coy na ni rip nya yung song. read previous posts. and sa parokya naman intention nila na gawing parody yung creep. were not missing any point here. it is YOU who is missing the point.

bago ka mag post mag isip ka muna ng sasabihin kasi bumabalik sayo yung mga sinasabi mo.

gustohin ko man na sabihin na play dead, wag muna.. your posts amuse us all. so please... continue.
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Old May 16, 2005, 11:30 PM   #165
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but so far none of you have explained how making a song into a parody justifies "ripping off" a song. is it in the intention of the artist? clear that up first. don't assume i don't anything know about "rip offs" and evade my questions.
LOL. you're so funny dude, and i feel sorry for you for being so damn clueless.

eto, galing dictionary ito ah:

par·o·dy (păr'ə-dē) pronunciation
n., pl. -dies.

1. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule.
2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice.
3. Music. The practice of reworking an already established composition


rip-off (rĭp'ôf', -ŏf')
n. Slang.

1. A theft.
2. A thief.
3. An act of exploitation.
4. Something, such as a film or story, that is clearly imitative of or based on something else.

Pag di mo pa naintindihan na ang PARODY AY HINDI RIP-OFF, you're hopeless. we don't need to clear up anything because we know exactly what we're saying and YOU DON'T. COMPRENDE?

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again, some of you may have missed this post so i'll repeat it:

if we are going to question the band's intentions, it's a matter of opinion. if some people find it more acceptable for a band to parody another band's song (w/c PnE did) rather than giving tribute (w/c
Session did).. well, that's their preference.
we didn't miss it dude. and what happened is ALREADY NOT A MATTER OF OPINION. Di mo ba nabasa na inamin na nga? ano opinion mo dun? na napilitan lang siya aminin? LOL. TRIBUTE? are you out of your mind? did you even hear the 2 songs side by side?

oh eto:

trib·ute (trĭb'yūt) pronunciation
n.

1. A gift, payment, declaration, or other acknowledgment of gratitude, respect, or admiration
2. Evidence attesting to some praiseworthy quality or characteristic

If you call "Leaving You" a tribute, I'll make a new song out of our national anthem and change all the lyrics, sing it in national TV and dedicate it to you. Tribute ko sa yo pare.

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and why do i feel like im being ambushed by alternicks?

if you fellas feel that you've been gravely insulted by this band for underestimating you, by all means, launch a campaign to discredit and shame them. let's see how far you'll go.
alternicks? LOL. you're aren't being ambushed. you're paranoid. you're being humiliated out of your own ignorance.

launch a campaign? sa akin lang, they should start packing up and think of a new career to be in na may mukha silang maihaharap. best advice ko sa kanila yun, instead of waiting for the world to fall on them once this thing really cracks open in public.
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Old May 16, 2005, 11:37 PM   #166
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and to Coy, if you're reading this...

uulitin ko sinabi ko kay st.anger (tutal you're both in the 'best intentions'):

Kung dinadahilan mong tribute yung kanta mo, I'll make a new song out of our national anthem and change all the lyrics, sing it in national TV and dedicate it to you. Tribute ko sa yo pare.
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Old May 16, 2005, 11:50 PM   #167
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hahaha! ang saya saya naman ng thread na ito...mahirap talaga ipaintindi sa isang tao pag makitid talaga ang utak, dios mio simpleng bagay di pa makuha ng isa diyan...hay!

To Coy sa susunod na gagawa ka ng Rip-off na kanta siguruhin mo na 19kopong kopong pa *** pag-gagayahan mo para siguradong walang makaka-alam, kapal ng mukha mo superdrag pa pinili mo ano akala mo, mang mang mga nakikinig dito sa atin...hahaha! pano kaya maibroadcast ito sa public???

sa isang papansin dito, tantanan mo na, nasabi mo na opinion mo, pag na-gets mo na ang diff. ng Parody sa Rip-off post ka nalang ulit ha! kung hindi pa, relak relak ka muna...
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Old May 16, 2005, 11:55 PM   #168
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but so far none of you have explained how making a song into a parody justifies "ripping off" a song. is it in the intention of the artist? clear that up first. don't assume i don't anything know about "rip offs" and evade my questions.

again, some of you may have missed this post so i'll repeat it:

if we are going to question the band's intentions, it's a matter of opinion. if some people find it more acceptable for a band to parody another band's song (w/c PnE did) rather than giving tribute (w/c
Session did).. well, that's their preference.
ipanaliwanag na sayo sa post sa taas ha! may meaning na galing sa dictionary, so mas maiintindihan mo na yan for sure ayoko na mag-comment sayo...

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Ay sus...Kamote! paranoid android ka pare, easy lang sa kape, purkit may pumapalag sa post mo alternick agad...easy ka lang diyan!!!

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OO NGA NOH! Pwede ka bang maging Leader namin???
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Old May 16, 2005, 11:59 PM   #169
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same here. it's fun to "argue" with a raving lunatic.
my vote goes to this as the most ironic (or moronic) post of the year

walang kamuwang-muwang na siya pala yung pinagtatawanan
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:20 AM   #170
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pag hindi mo pa naman na gets yan e
pumasok ka ulit ng kinder.

try mo lang.
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Old May 17, 2005, 09:18 AM   #171
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ipanaliwanag na sayo sa post sa taas ha! may meaning na galing sa dictionary, so mas maiintindihan mo na yan for sure ayoko na mag-comment sayo...


Ay sus...Kamote! paranoid android ka pare, easy lang sa kape, purkit may pumapalag sa post mo alternick agad...easy ka lang diyan!!!


OO NGA NOH! Pwede ka bang maging Leader namin???

funny how you're not seeing the point, in the same vein that you tolerate parokya parody-ing other bands' songs and in the same way exploiting it for musical profit, it's even more amusing to see how you don't have the same tolerance for Session's "tribute."

interestingly, both bands "copied" the music and changed the lyrics. the only thing i observed was that they had different intentions w/c i clearly knew from the start but decided to be a discreet so i'd see just how far you'd go with your arguments. now, parokya gave credit to the original artists (giving the benefit of the doubt) but so did session road in that EMAIL. the songwriter even provided an explanation w/c apparently did not satisfy you well enough.

and even if it is a matter of intention, personally, i'd be more offended by what parokya has done to those songs than what session did. oh boy.

btw, pardon the alternick comment, no need to get defensive about it. i really thought you were all the same person i know how rabid you "fans" are.

and the best thing about this thread is you're going on a hate campaign on the internet. oh boy. talk about being childish.

mag-rally na din kayo! boycott session road!

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my vote goes to this as the most ironic (or moronic) post of the year

walang kamuwang-muwang na siya pala yung pinagtatawanan
nice try. i already assumed that was for me, knowing that all of you are on the other side of the coin. so don't pat yourself in the back just yet.

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"but since leaving you has taken a structure of its own, it's not exactly the same ditty, is it? think of it as a perfect example behind the theory of synergic sampling: a piece of recorded sound or a musical phrase taken from an existing recording, and is used as part of a new recording."
on another note, i find it quite interesting if any legal developments arise from this issue of "musical plagiarism"

reading this might help some of you people out:fair use

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Old May 17, 2005, 10:27 AM   #172
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but so did session road in that EMAIL. the songwriter even provided an explanation w/c apparently did not satisfy you well enough.
hello? hello? explanation para sa isang tao?

imagine na lang kung di ko pinost ang email nya sa akin dito sa pex sa tingin mo may clue ang mga tao dito kung ano ang intensyon nya?

may ginawa ba silang move sa public para ipaalam ang side nila? wala! kasi wala silang mukha na ihaharap. hanggat maari siguro iiwasan nila ang issue na yan.

kung kumagat ka sa tribute at synergic sampling kuno ni coy e may problema ka! walang basis ang sinasabi nya kasi hindi lumabas sa kanta yung mga explanations nya. kaya sinong bobong maniniwala sa kanya? i guess nandito lang yun sa tabi tabi.

Maganda sana kung binigyan nya na lang ng credit ang superdrag sa album nila kung wala talaga syang masamang intensyon. kung ginawa nila yun walang ng issue dito. kaso inangkin nila yung song e. ginawa pa nilang single! yun ba ang walang masamang intensyon?

kung ganyan na lang gagawin ng mga banda dito sa atin... e pati ako magbabanda na! instant song at instant album! baka buwan buwan may album akong bago! pero hindi rin! kasi mga gag0 lang gagawa nyan!

kawawa naman ang industriya ng musika natin kung patuloy gagawin yan ng mga banda. magiging bulok lang ang lahat. walang originality! kawawa din ang mga nakikinig... dahil niloloko sila ng di nila alam, pinagkakitaan pa.
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Old May 17, 2005, 10:43 AM   #173
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reading this might help some of you people out:fair use
wow! buti naman naisipan mong mag research! kasi unang una pa lang di mo na alam ang ibig sabihin ng parody at rip off.

salamat na lang.. pero di na namin kailangan yan.
obvious naman kung ano ang "leaving you".
kung bingi ka... kailangan mong basahin yan.
kung may mapupulot ka.
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Old May 17, 2005, 10:46 AM   #174
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like i've been trying to say before, stuff like this happens "all the time" esp. in the music industry but it does not mean that we should condone such actions.

but the underlying point im driving home is, "WHINING ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET IS STUPID & A WASTE OF TIME."

you really think that people will give a damn here?

if you want something to happen, take legal action and prove that synergic sampling is really plagiarism. or better yet, magsumbong kayo sa superdrag.

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wow! buti naman naisipan mong mag research! kasi unang una pa lang di mo na alam ang ibig sabihin ng parody at rip off.

salamat na lang.. pero di na namin kailangan yan.
obvious naman kung ano ang "leaving you".
kung bingi ka... kailangan mong basahin yan.
kung may mapupulot ka.
you still don't get it do you? there is a fine line between parodies, "tributes" and plagiarism. don't go making conclusions based on your feelings about the situation. some of you can barely contain their hatred.
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like i've been trying to say before, stuff like this happens "all the time" esp. in the music industry but it does not mean that we should condone such actions.
hello again? all the time???? langya parokya na naman ba example mo?
tsk tsk pare natulog ka na ba?

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you really think that people will give a damn here?
ikaw lang naman ang hindi e. basahin mo nga yung mga previous post...


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unang una hindi nga synergic sampling yun! nagpapaloko ka naman sa mga alibi ni coy.
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nakakawala ng respeto. tsktsk...wala akong masabi.
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Old May 17, 2005, 11:21 AM   #177
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hello again? all the time???? langya parokya na naman ba example mo?
tsk tsk pare natulog ka na ba?
you do know what the " " does and what an idiom is, right?

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ikaw lang naman ang hindi e. basahin mo nga yung mga previous post...
on my last count, 10 people? you should start a rally, perhaps more people will join your cause and help wage war against the plagiarists!!!

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unang una hindi nga synergic sampling yun! nagpapaloko ka naman sa mga alibi ni coy.
did i say i believe him? i don't think so.

it's your word against his. he's a musician and you're also a musician, right?
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funny how you're not seeing the point, in the same vein that you tolerate parokya parody-ing other bands' songs and in the same way exploiting it for musical profit, it's even more amusing to see how you don't have the same tolerance for Session's "tribute."
plagiarism is a crime. im no parokya fan (i actually think they are quite sh*t) but if they acknowledge the original creators of the songs in their cds then they are within at the very least, the limits of legality.

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interestingly, both bands "copied" the music and changed the lyrics. the only thing i observed was that they had different intentions w/c i clearly knew from the start but decided to be a discreet
being discreet is no reason for fraud, which is basically what they are propagating.

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so i'd see just how far you'd go with your arguments. now, parokya gave credit to the original artists (giving the benefit of the doubt) but so did session road in that EMAIL. the songwriter even provided an explanation w/c apparently did not satisfy you well enough.
please get in tune with copyright laws. what session road has done is not only wrong in principle, its wrong legally. they can get SUED for this.

tell me you STILL dont understand that.

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and even if it is a matter of intention, personally, i'd be more offended by what parokya has done to those songs than what session did. oh boy.
thats your personal opinion. something that is totally irrelevant as far as the plagiarism issue is concerned.

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and the best thing about this thread is you're going on a hate campaign on the internet. oh boy. talk about being childish.
whats even more childish is one who doesn't understand what he's talking about so lets review your points:

1) session road blatantly ripped off another artist's song. its the same with what parokya ni edgar does, only parokya OFFICIALLY acknowledges their betters in print so no one is misled into believing that it is actually THEIR original work. but yeah... thats not much of a difference.

2) these fans are irrationally rabid. yes, they have reason for anger but they are going way overboard by using the internet by talking about it on a message board which was designed for... talking about stuff like this.

3) they really shouldn't jump on the coy chap. i mean, he DID apologize (albeit sarcastically) to some of the fans. i mean, YOU wouldn't feel bad if i kicked you in the nuts and said "sorry man, but i really liked doing that" now wouldn't you?

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on another note, i find it quite interesting if any legal developments arise from this issue of "musical plagiarism"

reading this might help some of you people out:fair use
then maybe you should read it yourself:

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Music Plagiarism and Fair Use. Composing a song that is substantially similar to another song you have heard and representing to others that it is your original work is considered plagiarism. It can also be copyright infringement. The motive in documented music plagiarism can range from the subconsciously innocent to the callous indifferent to the notoriously defiant. At the least offensive end of the spectrum, most notably in George Harrison’s My Sweet Lord, plagiarism is claimed to be innocent or committed in the subconscious. In other words, Harrison swears he thought his song was an original song. At the other end of the spectrum, you have the defiant song plundering and ridiculing by rap group 2 Live Crew. They wanted to make fun at the expense of Roy Oribison’s Pretty Woman. They asked for permission to use the song and despite permission being refused, they published a somewhat obscene “parody” of the song and exploited it commercially in a nationally distributed album. Copyright law applies to these matters in curious ways because George Harrison lost his copyright infringement case while 2 Live Crew won theirs. But 2 Live Crew’s version of another song is not considered plagiarism. They never represented that they wrote the original song.
session road claims that ALL songs in that cd ARE original. it is plagiarism pure and simple.

maybe THAT is what all the huhu is about.
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on my last count, 10 people? you should start a rally, perhaps more people will join your cause and help wage war against the plagiarists!!!
hahahaha ) bulok ka nga mag isip.
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plagiarism is a crime. im no parokya fan (i actually think they are quite sh*t) but if they acknowledge the original creators of the songs in their cds then they are within at the very least, the limits of legality.
it is a crime, im fully aware of that. again, it all boils down to that synergic sampling the songwriter used to explain his actions.

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being discreet is no reason for fraud, which is basically what they are propagating.
uhm, i meant i was being discreet in "arguing" with the fine people here.

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please get in tune with copyright laws. what session road has done is not only wrong in principle, its wrong legally. they can get SUED for this.

tell me you STILL dont understand that.
i already suggested they take legal action if they're so affected by this issue.

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thats your personal opinion. something that is totally irrelevant as far as the plagiarism issue is concerned.
yes it is. i pointed that out myself in the previous posts.

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whats even more childish is one who doesn't understand what he's talking about so lets review your points:

1) session road blatantly ripped off another artist's song. its the same with what parokya ni edgar does, only parokya OFFICIALLY acknowledges their betters in print so no one is misled into believing that it is actually THEIR original work. but yeah... thats not much of a difference.
only because it is blatantly obvious but that's a different matter.

back to session road, the songwriter readily admitted what he did in that email, right?

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2) these fans are irrationally rabid. yes, they have reason for anger but they are going way overboard by using the internet by talking about it on a message board which was designed for... talking about stuff like this.
whatever floats their boat.

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3) they really shouldn't jump on the coy chap. i mean, he DID apologize (albeit sarcastically) to some of the fans. i mean, YOU wouldn't feel bad if i kicked you in the nuts and said "sorry man, but i really liked doing that" now wouldn't you?
that's what happens when you're too emotional about these things. sorry i don't share the same sentiments.

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session road claims that ALL songs in that cd ARE original. it is plagiarism pure and simple.

maybe THAT is what all the huhu is about.
i'm telling everyone to either do something about it (other than whining on the internet) or suck it up, that's the music business for you.

if someone should decide to do something about it , well good luck trying to prove their case.

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gawd. people here really don't take SARCASM well, do they?
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if someone should decide to do something about it, well good luck trying to prove their case.
yeah, yeah... di tulad mo na bulok ang pananaw.
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like i've been trying to say before, stuff like this happens "all the time" esp. in the music industry but it does not mean that we should condone such actions.
you are a hypocrite. you're not making any sense dude. you have been condoning what session road did.

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but the underlying point im driving home is, "WHINING ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET IS STUPID & A WASTE OF TIME."
moreso, reading up your points and trying to make sense out of it is even more a waste of time. LOL

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you still don't get it do you? there is a fine line between parodies, "tributes" and plagiarism. don't go making conclusions based on your feelings about the situation. some of you can barely contain their hatred.
nope. use your brain dude, if you can't, read. parodies, tributes, and plaigarism are on different pages of a dictionary.

what fine line that exists is between ignorance and stupidity. you're hovering on both.

hatred? pity is more like it.
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i see myself in st.anger's shoes. so i sympathize with him... tho not necessarily agree on some of his points. lest i may be accused of being an alternick.

more than your guts, i admire your composure st.anger. sige lang... pac's behind you
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you are a hypocrite. you're not making any sense dude. you have been condoning what session road did.
gawd. accepting the reality is different from condoning.

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nope. use your brain dude, if you can't, read. parodies, tributes, and plaigarism are on different pages of a dictionary.
gawd. now i don't know my own dictionary. oh wait, they think im using the actual word definition.

gawd. please read the the link i provided.

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i see myself in st.anger's shoes. so i sympathize with him... tho not necessarily agree on some of his points. lest i may be accused of being an alternick.

more than your guts, i admire your composure st.anger. sige lang... pac's behind you
haha. i don't like being in your shoes, pac.
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:14 PM   #188
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FYI, i read the link, and your point is? you should try hearing the 2 songs side by side. para mo nang awa, para ma-get mo na kami.
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:15 PM   #189
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i already suggested they take legal action if they're so affected by this issue.
maybe they should. but what is so wrong about taking their sentiments out and discussing it on a message board?

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back to session road, the songwriter readily admitted what he did in that email, right?
did that make things any better? the fans are obviously peeved, and are now probably more peeved with that poor excuse for an apology. can you blame them? especially when some of them spend money only to be presented with a fraud?

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that's what happens when you're too emotional about these things. sorry i don't share the same sentiments.
so what? are you here just to criticize their "emotional" outpourings? that really has little to do with session road now doesn't it?

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i'm telling everyone to either do something about it (other than whining on the internet)
and who are you to tell people how they should express themselves or what they should do?

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or suck it up, that's the music business for you.
nobody has to suck up anything.

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if someone should decide to do something about it , well good luck trying to prove their case.
so you're basically agreeing with ALL the sentiments here with regards to session road's plagiarism (well up until your own sample law website blasted that silly fair use argument of yours to hell) but only post wind-ups because you think people here are too emotional.

ok.

whatever floats YOUR boat.
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:20 PM   #190
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gawd. accepting the reality is different from condoning.

gawd. now i don't know my own dictionary. oh wait, they think im using the actual word definition.
gawd. saang planeta ka ba nanggaling?
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:33 PM   #191
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maybe they should. but what is so wrong about taking their sentiments out and discussing it on a message board?
i didn't say it was necessarily wrong, did i?

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did that make things any better? the fans are obviously peeved, and are now probably more peeved with that poor excuse for an apology. can you blame them? especially when some of them spend money only to be presented with a fraud?
start a campaign now.

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so what? are you here just to criticize their "emotional" outpourings? that really has little to do with session road now doesn't it?
yeah, that's basically it.

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and who are you to tell people how they should express themselves or what they should do?

nobody has to suck up anything.
read: im a smart-@ss.

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so you're basically agreeing with ALL the sentiments here with regards to session road's plagiarism (well up until your own sample law website blasted that silly fair use argument of yours to hell) but only post wind-ups because you think people here are too emotional.
yes, plagiarism is wrong. i never said it was right. the parokya analogy was originally meant to contrast the different opinions/views on music plagiarism & music ownership but some (if not all) have twisted it into something that led you all to believe that im condoning plagiarism. i provided the link since it might explain more properly and clearly the complexities involved in such issues, ok?

summary: if you think the songwriter has not provided an ample enough explanation for his actions, take legal action and stop whining on the internet, suggestion lang. thank you and have a nice day, fans!

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Old May 17, 2005, 12:33 PM   #192
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funny how you're not seeing the point, in the same vein that you tolerate parokya parody-ing other bands' songs and in the same way exploiting it for musical profit, it's even more amusing to see how you don't have the same tolerance for Session's "tribute."

interestingly, both bands "copied" the music and changed the lyrics. the only thing i observed was that they had different intentions w/c i clearly knew from the start but decided to be a discreet so i'd see just how far you'd go with your arguments. now, parokya gave credit to the original artists (giving the benefit of the doubt) but so did session road in that EMAIL. the songwriter even provided an explanation w/c apparently did not satisfy you well enough.

and even if it is a matter of intention, personally, i'd be more offended by what parokya has done to those songs than what session did. oh boy.
totoo ba itong nababasa ko??? bakit mo naman naisipang sabihin yan? ok that's your personal opinion pero parokya credited the song that they spoofed yun lang, legally walang problema sa kanila...eh sa session road iba, pare don't reason out *** synergic sampling dahil alibi lang un ni coy or that tribute thing...

pagkaka-alam ko kasi sa tribute correct me if im wrong is you can change the arrangement of the song but never the lyrics right? kasi tribute mo un sa artist diba? so what session road did is wala lahat dito...it's not a tribute, not a parody...but a rip-off na kailangan gawan ng aksyon

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but the underlying point im driving home is, "WHINING ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET IS STUPID & A WASTE OF TIME."

you really think that people will give a damn here?

if you want something to happen, take legal action and prove that synergic sampling is really plagiarism. or better yet, magsumbong kayo sa superdrag.
what in a world are you trying to say??? this is a public forum and we can talk about anything we want in here...what's wrong with that???
and you have no right to tell us what to do...pero sige don't worry a friend of mine posted na sa superdrag message board, kaya wag kang mag-alala maybe soon mapansin nila...

http://p083.ezboard.com/fdragnetsupe...cID=3660.topic

ewan ko basa iyo....sabi ko sayo pag-aralan mo muna yung mga sasabihin mo bago mo ipost eh! yan tuloy...tigas ulo...
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:41 PM   #193
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start a campaign now.
talaga...ikaw nga leader namin eh! ayaw mo naman pumayag

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read: im a smart-@ss.
o..kita mo na smart-a$$ ka pala ikaw na leader namin...hahaha! wish ko lang...

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summary: if you think the songwriter has not provided an ample enough explanation for his actions, take legal action and stop whining on the internet, suggestion lang. thank you and have nice day, fans!
payag ka na ha! ikaw na leader namin tutal ikaw ang nagpipilit na gawan na ng aksyon legally eh! hehehehe!!!
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:44 PM   #194
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totoo ba itong nababasa ko??? bakit mo naman naisipang sabihin yan? ok that's your personal opinion pero parokya credited the song that they spoofed yun lang, legally walang problema sa kanila...eh sa session road iba, pare don't reason out *** synergic sampling dahil alibi lang un ni coy or that tribute thing...

pagkaka-alam ko kasi sa tribute correct me if im wrong is you can change the arrangement of the song but never the lyrics right? kasi tribute mo un sa artist diba? so what session road did is wala lahat dito...it's not a tribute, not a parody...but a rip-off na kailangan gawan ng aksyon
the link explains some of the legalities involved in cases such as this. if the issue does go to court, people will have to prove that the synergic sampling statement is bull.

don't think im against your cause people. im against your behavior on this issue and your personal attacks didn't do much help either. if you want to be treated fairly, behave in a civilized manner. you're not going to get any real apologies from the band by ranting here.

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what in a world are you trying to say??? this is a public forum and we can talk about anything we want in here...what's wrong with that???
and you have no right to tell us what to do...pero sige don't worry a friend of mine posted na sa superdrag message board, kaya wag kang mag-alala maybe soon mapansin nila...
http://p083.ezboard.com/fdragnetsupe...cID=3660.topic

ewan ko basa iyo....sabi ko sayo pag-aralan mo muna yung mga sasabihin mo bago mo ipost eh! yan tuloy...tigas ulo...
there we go. let's see what develops from here.
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Old May 17, 2005, 12:45 PM   #195
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DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUMB!!

Wag niyo ng pansinin yang TAE na yan dito! TAE yan kaya kahit ano pang sabihin niyo dyan...TAE pa din yan!

Mag-ENGLISH man yan...TAE pa din yan!

Kahit saan mo dalhin ang TAE eh TAE pa din!

Parang SESSION ROAD na TAE na banda! TAE yan! Ang mga TAE dapat tinatapon!

st.anger: TAE KA! Nanggugulo ka lang eh..ang *****-***** mo pa...susmeeyoh! Wag mo ng defend sarili mo ok? Lalo lang lumalabas yung katangahan mo eh...iba ang parody sa ripoff dude!

PARODY - RIPOFF = magkaiba yun TAE ka!



Sarap mong pag-tripan unggoy ka!



Di na kita papatulan TAE ka.

Sorry Mister Dean TAE talaga eh...and it's even an understatement. Kung may mas mababa pa sa TAE eh si st.anger na yun...wala namang kuwenta mga posts nyang puro TAE lang eh.


Peace


Ang alam ko lang...

Session Road should make the most of what they are enjoying right now...

John Creamer is on the way...kung hndi mo kilala kung sino yan st.anger eh tumahimik ka na lang TAE ka. Bago ka bumanat eh siguraduhin mo lang alam mo yung mga sinasabi mo.

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Old May 17, 2005, 01:01 PM   #196
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raving lunatic > tae
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Old May 17, 2005, 01:48 PM   #197
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DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUMB!!

Wag niyo ng pansinin yang TAE na yan dito! TAE yan kaya kahit ano pang sabihin niyo dyan...TAE pa din yan!

Mag-ENGLISH man yan...TAE pa din yan!

Kahit saan mo dalhin ang TAE eh TAE pa din!

Parang SESSION ROAD na TAE na banda! TAE yan! Ang mga TAE dapat tinatapon!

st.anger: TAE KA! Nanggugulo ka lang eh..ang *****-***** mo pa...susmeeyoh! Wag mo ng defend sarili mo ok? Lalo lang lumalabas yung katangahan mo eh...iba ang parody sa ripoff dude!

PARODY - RIPOFF = magkaiba yun TAE ka!



Sarap mong pag-tripan unggoy ka!



Di na kita papatulan TAE ka.

Sorry Mister Dean TAE talaga eh...and it's even an understatement. Kung may mas mababa pa sa TAE eh si st.anger na yun...wala namang kuwenta mga posts nyang puro TAE lang eh.


Peace


Ang alam ko lang...

Session Road should make the most of what they are enjoying right now...

John Creamer is on the way...kung hndi mo kilala kung sino yan st.anger eh tumahimik ka na lang TAE ka. Bago ka bumanat eh siguraduhin mo lang alam mo yung mga sinasabi mo.

my old pal...pare easy ka lang diyan!!!...baka mawarningan ka ulit niyan...sayang lang kung si st. anger lang ang dahilan para ma-ban ka dito. kaya hinay hinay lang pare...
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don't think im against your cause people. im against your behavior on this issue and your personal attacks didn't do much help either. if you want to be treated fairly, behave in a civilized manner. you're not going to get any real apologies from the band by ranting here.
ok...but we don't need their apologies...and what's wrong with our behaviour about this issue??? diba normal??? di mo kasi alam ang naramdaman namin the first time we heard session road's rip-off song, matanong nga kita ikaw ba napakinggan mo na yung pinaggayahan nila???

kaya bago ka magsalita ulit pakinggan mo muna ha! and like i said we don't need their apologies, nagawa na nila eh!...pull-out nila *** song un ang pinaka maganda nilang gawin...nakakahiya sila para gawing single ang nakaw na kanta...
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Wow, it's a rip-off, except for the cheese-ball female vocals and lyrics. The chorus is also a rip-off. I doubt you could sue them, though, because many parts are changed and I don't know if any part is COMPLETELY the same, just stupidly close.

Oooh ... percussion solo. Superdrag didn't have that.
errrr.. this was from the link you provided, overdrive.

http://p083.ezboard.com/fdragnetsupe...cID=3660.topic

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ok...but we don't need their apologies...and what's wrong with our behaviour about this issue??? diba normal??? di mo kasi alam ang naramdaman namin the first time we heard session road's rip-off song, matanong nga kita ikaw ba napakinggan mo na yung pinaggayahan nila???
get this: i actually believe you that they did "rip-off" the song even w/o listening to it.

what's wrong with your behavior? from my own personal experience, i've seen that whining on the internet hasn't led to any desired results. you're welcome to try and change that though. good luck.

and unfortunately, i cannot empathize with you because i do not have the same emotional attachment with the song as you do. all im doing right now is providing an objective overview of this issue. for this reason, i can't lead your campaign to destroy Session Road.

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those were the days...

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