Philippine society and government - a failure in design

[benign2]

More insight into why tactical fixes no longer work for the Pinoy Nation. More and more people are acknowledging that the problem is deep-rooted, systemic, and cultural in nature.

Check out the latest article ABS-CBN News article by the eminent Luis Teodoro here!

Excerpt:

Both Philippine society and government as we know them are a failure in design and function as outstanding as the brontosaurus, which had a huge body that needed tons of vegetation to sustain each day, but had so small a brain in its small head it needed a secondary one to control its hind quarters. Unlike the brontosaurus, however, both survive despite the laws of nature—and, one might add, the laws of God, principally that one which says that men and women being fashioned in God’s own image, to savage them as they are being daily savaged in the Philippines is an affront and insult to God himself.

Many would rather sweep these cold facts under the rug and discuss politics. Truth is, our propensity to do so is part of the problem.



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[kabise]

what's the matter benignut? they banned benign0?

[bleh]

benignut, you're the biggest cheese in PEX, always served with whine.

there's nothing factual about Teodoro's comments (can hardly be called analysis). All he did was describe his perception of reality.

i don't know about you benigno, but i'm not destined to fail and so do many people i know. i'm part of Philippine society, you're not. i'm taking up responsibility, you're not. all you do is trash the efforts of people like me when you're useless to Filipinos anyway. i don't know where you get the chutzpah to even show up here and throw crap at people, talking down to your own people (di ko nga sila kalahi kinakampihan ko pa sila).

What good have you done to the Philippines? NONE. Hindi porke ethnicity mo Filipino may karapatan ka na laitin lahi mo. Taong labas ka na mula nang tinakwil mo mga kapatid mo dito. naintindihan?

[atomicturtle]

No one wants to talk about the Philippines in PINOYexchange. com they'd rather make self -righteous comment on Americans. LOL

[jon_prez]

More insight into why tactical fixes no longer work for the Pinoy Nation. More and more people are acknowledging that the problem is deep-rooted, systemic, and cultural in nature.

Just to put in my 2 cents...

A fix of a tactical nature might indeed not work. However, a strategic fix need not be one that seems dramatic either, but rather a gradual changing of direction. Kind of like how you change a ship's course.

So my point here is that there might already be some changes occurring within philippine society which are barely perceptible but are nevertheless strategic in nature.

[tyanak_me]

Coming soon: benign3!

[benign2]

Originally posted by bleh
benignut, you're the biggest cheese in PEX, always served with whine.

there's nothing factual about Teodoro's comments (can hardly be called analysis). All he did was describe his perception of reality.

So cite specific examples of these "perceptions of reality" which you think are "not factual".

Any schoolboy can make summary dismissals of other people's "perceptions". But a truly insightful dude can make an objective critique of people's ideas.

Up to the challenge?

Originally posted by bleh
i don't know about you benigno, but i'm not destined to fail and so do many people i know. i'm part of Philippine society, you're not. i'm taking up responsibility, you're not. all you do is trash the efforts of people like me when you're useless to Filipinos anyway.

Define being "useful" to Filipinos then. What constitutes being of use to one's society?

So many here have cited Filipino individuals who "succeed". This, I believe, simply highlights the poignancy of the plight of the Filipino nation. so many star players but the team as a whole remains a losing team. Now isn't that so tragic?

Originally posted by bleh
i don't know where you get the chutzpah to even show up here and throw crap at people, talking down to your own people (di ko nga sila kalahi kinakampihan ko pa sila).

So now it's about race?

Originally posted by bleh
What good have you done to the Philippines? NONE.

Do I know you?

Originally posted by bleh
Hindi porke ethnicity mo Filipino may karapatan ka na laitin lahi mo. Taong labas ka na mula nang tinakwil mo mga kapatid mo dito. naintindihan?

Tough luck, dude. I'm as Pinoy as Pinoy gets. Simply declaring me as a non-Pinoy won't change that.





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[benign2]

Originally posted by jon_prez
Just to put in my 2 cents...

A fix of a tactical nature might indeed not work. However, a strategic fix need not be one that seems dramatic either, but rather a gradual changing of direction. Kind of like how you change a ship's course.

So my point here is that there might already be some changes occurring within philippine society which are barely perceptible but are nevertheless strategic in nature.

That's fine. But what if said ship is on a collision course with an ice berg?

Reminds me of how arrogance and hubris led to that famous passenger liner disaster in the North Atlantic that was immortalised in that equally famous movie...





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[joshmarlo]

Benigno,

Filipinos are like nutcases in the mental hospital. They will never get well because in the first place ... they are not aware that they are nutcases. They think they are still normal people.

My father once said, I think I know why our so called "bobo" Asian neighbors fare well than the Philippines. Filipinos are too intelligent. Konting kilos lang nga gobyerno, protesta na kahit walang katuturan.

I'm proud to be Filipino but what is Filipino? To the majority Malays I am not Filipino but some colonial hybrid. The Chinoys probably think they're more Chinese than Filipino. The Spanish-Filipino circle probably has had enough of the majority calling them Spaniards rather than Filipinos. And the majority Malay? Are they proud to be Filipinos having the IMSCF Syndrome? ( I am Spanish-Chinese-Filipino) Hell! Sino bang pinoy ang walang Spanish at Chinese blood?

And yeah, people in pinoyexchange are not concerned about learning new insights. They're probably just here to sound intellectual and proclaim self-righteousness. Wasting their energies in damning America because it makes them sound enlightened.

GET REAL PHILIPPINES!!!

[vproject]

Since this thread will get locked...I just want to say....

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[vproject]

Both Philippine society and government as we know them are a failure in design and function as outstanding as the brontosaurus, which had a huge body that needed tons of vegetation to sustain each day, but had so small a brain in its small head it needed a secondary one to control its hind quarters.

Minor nitpick, it was the stegosaurus that had a secondary nerve cluster to control motor functions...

Please get your paleontological facts straight first....

Also having survived for over 50 million years in its time doesn't qualify an apatosaur (correct term for brontosaur) as a failure. Man has only been around for less than a million years.

Also, the dinosaurs didn't die out due to poor body design, it was because of an enormous meteor impact that happened in Chixculcub(sp?), Mexico.

Again, please get your paleontological facts straight.....

[bleh]

atomicturtle, you're a terrible liar. if that was a joke, you're even worse at trying to crack one.

joshmarlo, wala palang katuturan yung protest ng KMU sa DOLE ha? ikaw kaya magpabaril at mamatay sa Hacienda Luisita tapos walang mag-ingay para walang saysay yung kinamatay mo at wala nang managot.

all benigno ever says here is that Philippine culture is bad. yun lang. ni hindi nga nya alam ano nangyayari dito tsaka sino mga participants at bakit nangyayari mga yon. kelan ba sya nagbanggit ng specific issues? ikaw, ano bang specific issue mo sa Philippines? yung perception mo na masyado maraming protests? tungkol ba saan mga protests na pinagsasabi mo? do you bother to find out beyond the news that was fed to you by mainstream media? does benigno bother? so saan ngayon based ang "analysis" ninyo? based on the things you see on the surface and your personal biases. yan ba ang opinyon na intelihente o ignorante?

bakit ba hindi pa sinasara tong thread na to?

[benign2]

Originally posted by joshmarlo
Benigno,

Filipinos are like nutcases in the mental hospital. They will never get well because in the first place ... they are not aware that they are nutcases. They think they are still normal people.

My father once said, I think I know why our so called "bobo" Asian neighbors fare well than the Philippines. Filipinos are too intelligent. Konting kilos lang nga gobyerno, protesta na kahit walang katuturan.

I'm proud to be Filipino but what is Filipino? To the majority Malays I am not Filipino but some colonial hybrid. The Chinoys probably think they're more Chinese than Filipino. The Spanish-Filipino circle probably has had enough of the majority calling them Spaniards rather than Filipinos. And the majority Malay? Are they proud to be Filipinos having the IMSCF Syndrome? ( I am Spanish-Chinese-Filipino) Hell! Sino bang pinoy ang walang Spanish at Chinese blood?

And yeah, people in pinoyexchange are not concerned about learning new insights. They're probably just here to sound intellectual and proclaim self-righteousness. Wasting their energies in damning America because it makes them sound enlightened.

GET REAL PHILIPPINES!!!

Dude, there are many multi-ethnic societies that managed to crystallise their national identities. Why? Because they had shared collective achievements that each individual citizen can identify with.

We, on the other hand, are "Filipinos" merely by colonial edict and geographical circumstance. To go to the next level -- a national identity that transcends colonial legacy and geographical limits -- we need collective achievement and not individual stars.

Food for thought.





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[benign2]

Originally posted by bleh
atomicturtle, you're a terrible liar. if that was a joke, you're even worse at trying to crack one.

joshmarlo, wala palang katuturan yung protest ng KMU sa DOLE ha? ikaw kaya magpabaril at mamatay sa Hacienda Luisita tapos walang mag-ingay para walang saysay yung kinamatay mo at wala nang managot.

all benigno ever says here is that Philippine culture is bad. yun lang. ni hindi nga nya alam ano nangyayari dito tsaka sino mga participants at bakit nangyayari mga yon. kelan ba sya nagbanggit ng specific issues? ikaw, ano bang specific issue mo sa Philippines? yung perception mo na masyado maraming protests? tungkol ba saan mga protests na pinagsasabi mo? do you bother to find out beyond the news that was fed to you by mainstream media? does benigno bother? so saan ngayon based ang "analysis" ninyo? based on the things you see on the surface and your personal biases. yan ba ang opinyon na intelihente o ignorante?

bakit ba hindi pa sinasara tong thread na to?

Eh ikaw, kelan ka mag sa-cite ng specific reasons kung bakit hindi ka sang-ayon sa opinyon ko na walang kwenta ang kulturang Pilipino?

If there are indeed objective and undisputable reasons to hold Pinoy culture in high regard, then even morons will be able to debunk my views convincingly without resorting to appeals to emotion and ad hominems.


Up to the challenge?


And by the way, the closure of this thread and the banning of "bengin2" will prove only one thing:

Mr. brownpau does not like Yours Truly.






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[joshmarlo]

Bleh,

OO, WALANG KATUTURAN ANG PROTESTA NILA. UNA SA LAHAT, KMU SILA. PANGALAWA, KMU SILA. PANGATLO ... K M U SILA!

At pang-apat, hindi ako mababaril sa dahil hindi ako striker at hindi ako indio na kagaya mo.

Bagay ka siguro sumali dun sa KMU. Lahat na lang kontra. Siguro kahit payagan mong magrally sa Iraq yon kokontra pa rin ...

[benign2]

check out this article for some insight into the perceived "moral ascendancy" of so-called "cause-oriented groups" like the KMU.

Excerpt:

they aim to secure their legitimacy as guardian of the interests of the masses by speaking in "the language of the masses"; so they say. Their real aim, of course is to fully exploit the language issue being one of the most enduring polarising forces of Philippine society. Among all the divisive factors plaguing Philippine society, it is in the realm of language where this polarisation is the most clear and definitive. There is no "middle class" as far as language is concerned in the Philippines -- only the English-proficient elite and the Tagalog-speaking makabayans.

Before rush to plant the flag of righteousness on groups like the KMU, think and wonder:

Between "capitalists" and the leftist lot that groups like the KMU presume to represent, who has created more jobs for Filipinos in the last 50 years?




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[kabise]

Originally posted by benign2


Between "capitalists" and the leftist lot that groups like the KMU presume to represent, who has created more jobs for Filipinos in the last 50 years?

Hoy paano kang na ban ala namang moderator dito.

meron ka talagang kalokohan Benignut, paano mo ikukumpara Capitalists Vs KMU?

[spindoctor]

Originally posted by benign2

Between "capitalists" and the leftist lot that groups like the KMU presume to represent, who has created more jobs for Filipinos in the last 50 years?

What a funny question coming from this self-styled political analyst.

Labor groups are not in the business of creating jobs, capitalists are.

[jon_prez]

Originally posted by benign2
That's fine. But what if said ship is on a collision course with an ice berg?

Then it's way too late.

The problem with drastic changes (not to be confused with promptly executed changes) is that they are harder to manage properly, and may often end up doing more harm than good.

[tyanak_me]

Analysts say that, had the captain of the titanic chosen to ram the berg at normal speed, instead of attempting a high-speed evasion, the titanic would not have sank.