Lasallians, what are your concerns?

[La_SaIIian]

Are you concerned about the following:

1. Our perennial role as a fallback choice of incoming college freshmen and our inability to consistently attract top talent. We tend to almost always lose the best applicants to schools like Ateneo and UP.

2. Too much emphasis by our administration on sports, specifically basketball, instead of academics.

3. Over-expansion of the DLSU System and the resultant need to admit more and more unqualified, academically-challenged students.

4. Our focus on growth and profit as an institution, as opposed to quality. We're admitting more and more students. We have even adopted the trimestral system in order to increase revenue and to churn out students at a much faster rate.

5. As a corollary to 4 above, DLSU has become like a factory, a diploma mill, a manufacturing machine. We need to humanize our institution.

6. Corruption, unethical and immoral behavior of our school administators.

(hint hint >>>----> Expedition, Tampering with AsiaWeek data, and many others)

7. The further deterioration in our already marginal academic standards due to the abovementioned factors - eg growth over quality, over-expansion, admission of marginal students.

8. Our falling behind in fields like Computer Science to schools like the Ateneo; our falling behind in ECE compared to UST, UP and, in the near future, Ateneo and Mapua.

In the past few years, our students have been consistent losers, vis-a-vis the Ateneans, in interscholastic competitions even in our allegedly strong area like CS. (eg Microsoft Asia Competition, TrendMicro Competition, HP Asia, etc.)

9. The ambiguity of our educational mission and strategy. We are now entering all kinds of areas like medicine (Dasma), creative vocations (CSB), agriculture (Araneta), and, possibly, law (Arellano). The point is, we're expanding in many directions but losing sight of "quality." I don't think the "if you build it, they will come" mentality works in education.

10. Our school's widespread reputation as a school for the mediocre and the "not so bright," compounded by the fact that we're accelerating our own demise and destruction due to the factors mentioned above (eg guantity and profit over quality; sports over academics).

These are only a few of my concerns. I'll be back to post some more.

What are yours?

More importantly, what can we do about them?

[pao_a]

dito sa PEx si bulldogs hehehehe

[BULLD0GS_FAN]

Tama si La Sallian, talagang pabagsak na ang DLSU.

Bagsak at ebaks na nga, mas lalo pang bumabagsak.

No wonder, mahilig maki sosyalan sa mga taga Emilio Aguinaldo (DASMA), Araneta U, at Arellano.

No va yan??? :revomit:

Truliling tambakan na talaga!!!

In addition to the above -----

Sobrang daming Lasalista na feeling kasing lebel ng mga taga Ateneo, UST at UP.

Eh obyus na obyus naman na hindi.

Panay ang hype sa sarili. Palibhasa mga insecure at nandududa sa sariling kakayahan.

Nagkakalat ang mga epalatingly ebakacious and kupalious na mga olats sa Tafat.

At ang pagkalat ng mga ito sa PEx.

Mwehehehehehehehehe:lol:

Mas lalong nahalata tuloy ang pagka-slowwww ng mga taga DLSU.

No offense meant.

Yun truth lang po.

NU Rulezzzzzzzzz!

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[Sprakatumski]

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One of the eight beatitudes of Jesus at the beginning of the Sermon on the Mount:

Mathew 5: 11-12

11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

This verse made wonders for the DLSU Institution!

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CHED Order No. 31 s. 1995

Level IV: Re-accredited Status - "Institutions/programs which have distinguished themselves in a broad area of academic discipline and enjoy prestige and authority comparable to that of international universities."
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[BULLD0GS_FAN]

ATENEO, UP, UST, AIM ====> Category A

DLSU====>Category B


Beneath the skin of Philippine tertiary institutions
Sunday, 09 09, 2001

Giorvinne Yambao, who comes from a middle-income family, finished high school in one of the prominent co-education secondary schools in Metro Manila. An average student as she professed, takes pride for being able to study in one of the few "elite" tertiary schools in the metropolis. She is now a freshman taking up liberal arts at Miriam College in Quezon City.
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The CHED said one of the indicators of quality of higher education that can be considered also is the acceptability of Philippine graduates abroad. This was one of the concerns of the CHED in formulating its strategies for excellence in the country's higher learning institutions in the 21st century. To actualize this, interviews were conducted by the sub task force on quality and comparability of CHED with officials of seven embassies of different countries namely Great Britain, France, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, United Arab Emirates and Jordan to determine which Philippine schools are accredited or recognized by these countries.

The interviews revealed University of the Philippines was the most frequently mentioned Philippine school, followed by University of Sto. Tomas, and Ateneo de Manila University. These schools, along with the Asian Institute of Management were rated category A, which means excellent. Surprisingly, De La Salle did not make it to category A.

"However, while the UP was the most frequently mentioned, the reason given was mainly of its being a state university," the Task Force said in its study titled "Philippine Higher Education in the 21st Century: Toward Excellence and Equity."

The same goes for the National Office of Overseas Skills Recognition (NOOSR) of the Department of Employment, Education and Training of Australia which rated UP, UST, Ateneo, and AIM as category A which means these institutions meet international standards in the way they are understood and accepted in Australia.

Sad to say other Philippine schools, including De La Salle, which have been perceived to be "elite" because of the apparent high tuition they charge and that are understood by the society as one of the best tertiary schools in the country were rated in category B or do not completely meet international standards.


TAMBAKAN NG MGA EBAKS REPUTATION


Originally posted by aurora7
The evidence is factual and comes from the DLSU admissions office itself. For the AY 1999-2000, 94% of those who enrolled at lasalle did not pass the UPCAT. 82% had lasalle as a second choice while 46% did not pass any other entrance exam at any Metro Manila College or University.

I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to hurt anybody, but the figures came from your school, not from me.



DLSU INCLUDED IN CHED BLACKLIST


DLSU, one of the schools, Ordered by CHED to Discard Sub-Standard Courses

136 schools ordered to phase out 155 courses
Publish Date: [Thursday, April 11, 2002]


The Commission on Higher Education (CHED) has ordered 136 colleges and universities nationwide to discard some of their courses because many graduates had flunked licensure tests.

Professional and Regulatory Commission records show only five percent of graduates at these schools passed examinations given by the commission between 1997 and 2001, said Roger Perez, CHED executive director.

He said the poor test results barred graduates from practicing in an array of fields, including accounting, architecture, chemistry, chemical engineering, civil engineering, Customs brokerage, forestry, mechanical engineering, medical technology, nutrition-dietetics, occupational and physical therapy, electrical engineering, and teaching.

The 136 schools, including 26 located in Metro Manila, were ordered to drop 155 programs gradually from the start of the new school year in June, Perez said.

The 26 Metro schools include the Technological Institute of the Philippines, University of the East, Sta. Rita College (Parañaque), Sienna College, AMA-Quezon City, Arellano University (Legarda and Pasig), Feati University and De La Salle University.



Number 1????

More like number 4 or 5.

World-class???

DLSU - pinagsamasama ang CSB, Dasma (formerly Emilio Aguinaldo ek ek), at ngayon, Araneta U.??????

I don't think so.

Kasing level and TIP, UE, Sta. Rita College, Sienna College, Arellano U, AMA, FEATI. <----<<< See the quote above.

Mwahahahahahahahhahaha

The ebak begins here. And it's growing into a bigger ebaks.

Nyek nyek nyek nyek nyek!!!

NU Rulezzzz pa rin!!!

Yun truth lang po rin.

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SOME OF THE EIGHT BEAUTY TIPS OF EDU MANZANO..........

'He who is not ebaks should be the first to cast ebaks.'

[Translation for the slow - Lasallians are eliminated from ebak throwing.]

"He who walks like an ebaks, talks like an ebaks, and acts like an ebaks, must be an ebaks."

[Translation for the slow - Maski ano pa ang gawin ng mga Lasalista, kesyo Level 4, kesyo AsiaWeek, kesyo UAAP basketbol "we're the championships" kuno ......EBAKS pa rin sila.]

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."

[Translation for the slow >>>

Main + CSB + Dasma + Araneta + Arellano (in the future) EQUALS A Gigantic Ebak called DLSU System

Mwehehehehehhehe :lol:

Cute ko 'no?

[La_SaIIian]

Guys, can we please go back to the topic.:)

Peace.

[dj_ouch]

One of my concerns are Ateneans using Lasallian nicks in PEX!

[karl184]

kahit itong thread na ito sinimulan para lang magbash, gamitin na lang natin ito para sa mas ikabubuti.

yung concerns ko lang abt lasalle is ito lang. pano maalis yung tingin sa lasalle lalo na sa province na bobo and wealthy and students? kasi para sa akin magaling yung mga students sa lasalle eh lalo na sa acctng and compsci. marami akong classmates na galing sa province and they chose lasalle over ateneo and up. yung isa kong classmate galing sa jesuit hs and chose lasalle over ateneo. ***** dahil puro artista and mayayaman ang mga nagaaral sa lasalle kaya nasasabing bobo and wealthy. pero pwede ka namang maging matalino at the same time mayaman dba?

[cebulad]

Originally posted by karl184
kahit itong thread na ito sinimulan para lang magbash, gamitin na lang natin ito para sa mas ikabubuti.

yung concerns ko lang abt lasalle is ito lang. pano maalis yung tingin sa lasalle lalo na sa province na bobo and wealthy and students? kasi para sa akin magaling yung mga students sa lasalle eh lalo na sa acctng and compsci. marami akong classmates na galing sa province and they chose lasalle over ateneo and up. yung isa kong classmate galing sa jesuit hs and chose lasalle over ateneo. ***** dahil puro artista and mayayaman ang mga nagaaral sa lasalle kaya nasasabing bobo and wealthy. pero pwede ka namang maging matalino at the same time mayaman dba?

agree talaga ako dyan!!!!!
i'm from cebu pagi-compare ang la salle sa Ateneo at UP.... eto ang sinasabi sa mga taga provinces...
ang la salle daw ay mayayaman na bobo (although not ol),
sa ateneo mayayaman na matalino(pero may bobob rin ***** no)
sa UP ay pangmatalino lang!!!!

mayayaman naman ang taga UP d b? 4 wels nga ang sinasakyan nila.... galing Katipunan, SM north, philcoa, icot...... (juk lang)

[Eugene Hikaru]

May iba kasi dito sa Pex na mga Lasalyanong kung humirit e ubod ng hangin...

The heck with "Tuition niyo baon lang namin!" analogy.

A lot of people also have bad impressions on the school. For this problem, I think that we cannot prove it wrong through words only but through our actions. After graduation, let's show them how La Salle forged us to be leaders in this country. It's a slow process, but with hard work everything will go smooth.

Let us not compare former graduates. Let us ourselves be a graduate that our school would be proud of. I know we can all do it, 'coz other idiots have never tasted true quality Lasallian education like us before they could even judge us.

ANIMO LA SALLE!!!!!!

[Horace]

Our school's widespread reputation as a school for the mediocre and the "not so bright,"
what can we do about them?

Nasa students lang yan. It has little to do with who your professors are, your fees, your school...

It's all in the mind. Isip lang, and work!!!:D
Don't mind those nosy people, everyone has a fair share of skills and talents. Di naman kayo mahina, you're great kaya!!

Syanga pala, JPIAns ng LaSalle, I'll see you next NF meeting. Samahan nyo naman and nag-iisang member nyo na nagpaparticipate sa mga NF activities, siya lang kaya ang LaSallian na nag-aattend ng RAs.

I hope to see a new face soon, eh LaSalle Accountancy studs ;) [I]

[Spyderman]

My concerns?

La Sallian mentioned most of them.

My primary concerns are:

1. deterioration in the quality of the Lasallian education;

2. our growing too fast as an insitution;

3. the admission of many "unfit: students;

4. prioritizing growth and profit over quality;

5. the escalating cost of education;

6. the prevalence of drug use on campus;

7. DLSU's reputation as an inferior academic institution compared to Ateneo and UP. This seems to get worse and worse partly because of the factors mentioned above, especially, the emphasis on growth and profit over quality.

That's it for now.

[Zulu]

- Lax admission standards
- Too crowded
- Too expensive; quality not that good
- As La Sallian already said, too much emphasis on money-making.
- Poor academic reputation.

[burn_the_ice]

this thread is crazy. i thought this was supposed to be for lasallians who want to cite all his grievances for further improvement of the lasallian education. however, this thread seems to be a place for those who only want to say derogatory remarks about la salle. i, for example, did not like to enterr la salle at first because almost all of my colleagues went to UP. another factor was the bad impressions of people on la salle, when in fact they have only heard them from people who really do not know what is going on inside that "small, over populated" campus. i personally believe that la salle will be the best institution for my course that is why i entered la salle. i learn that amidst all the bad impressions it gets from others it remains to be the best in its own way. it still thrives to be the best among the rest.to la_sallian, maybe you should have renamed the thread as "reasons why i did not like la salle" or "reasons why la salle sucks". if you are a true lasallian, live up to the lasallian values. yes, you use good words regarding your opinions, but they simply conceal the derogatory messages to our alma mater. i think it would be better if you deliver your grievances without reaping the respect of those who believe in lasallian institutions. and to those who are not lasallians, why don't you try entering la salle and see for your self who is the best? (no offense meant for other schools)
:)

ANIMO LA SALLE!!!!:D

[Greenest]

I have similar concerns as the others, namely,

1. Overcrowded environment. Too many students are being admitted in a small cramped environment.

2. Escalating cost of education while quality is deteriorating.

3. Incompetent teachers.

4. Poor academic reputation of the school and the tendency to attract mediocre students.

5. DLSU - not considered as the school of choice of many top students. Top students continue to prefer Ateneo/UP.

6. Expanding the DLSU System too fast without a sense of direction and strategy.

7. Too much emphasis on sports, UAAP basketball, etc.

[advancement]

Concern ko? Kulang sa make-out places.

[twelve_12]

Originally posted by La_SaIIian
1. Our perennial role as a fallback choice of incoming college freshmen and our inability to consistently attract top talent. We tend to almost always lose the best applicants to schools like Ateneo and UP.
La Salle is trying to change this image by making the entrance test more difficult. Just ask the people who took the exam in the last 3 years. Im sure in 5-10 years time, those school would have their share of La Salle rejects.


2. Too much emphasis by our administration on sports, specifically basketball, instead of academics.
baseless...


3. Over-expansion of the DLSU System and the resultant need to admit more and more unqualified, academically-challenged students.
Expansion does not necessarilly mean that La Salle is sacrificing qualilty. i.e. La Salle Dasma. In just a few years of existence, they are now producing competent graduates.


4. Our focus on growth and profit as an institution, as opposed to quality. We're admitting more and more students. We have even adopted the trimestral system in order to increase revenue and to churn out students at a much faster rate.
again, baseless...


5. As a corollary to 4 above, DLSU has become like a factory, a diploma mill, a manufacturing machine. We need to humanize our institution.
just take a look at our graduates...


6. Corruption, unethical and immoral behavior of our school administators.(hint hint >>>----> Expedition, Tampering with AsiaWeek data, and many others)
baseless...regarding asiaweek, just take a look at the the academic reputation. Each university was asked to rate its peers on a scale of 1 to 5. Thirty Asian corporations and 11 foreign universities (among them Columbia University, University of California Los Angeles and University of Leicester) also gave ratings. The total score was divided by the number of responses. DLSU ranked 56th and Ateneo ranked 58th. How can those results be tampered with.


7. The further deterioration in our already marginal academic standards due to the abovementioned factors - eg growth over quality, over-expansion, admission of marginal students.
paulit-ulit...


8. Our falling behind in fields like Computer Science to schools like the Ateneo; our falling behind in ECE compared to UST, UP and, in the near future, Ateneo and Mapua.
hello?


9. The ambiguity of our educational mission and strategy. We are now entering all kinds of areas like medicine (Dasma), creative vocations (CSB), agriculture (Araneta), and, possibly, law (Arellano). The point is, we're expanding in many directions but losing sight of "quality." I don't think the "if you build it, they will come" mentality works in education.
I've already answered this.


10. Our school's widespread reputation as a school for the mediocre and the "not so bright," compounded by the fact that we're accelerating our own demise and destruction due to the factors mentioned above (eg guantity and profit over quality; sports over academics).

again, nasagot na to.

[Bullydogs]

Hay salamat naman at mayroong mga honest at genuine Lasallians tulad ni Spyderman, La Sallian, atb. At least, hindi kayo nagbubulagan at wala kayong ilusyon. 'Di kayo tulad ng iba na walang ginawa kundi i-hype ang burokbok na skewl bukol nila.

Agree ako sa comments niyo na mababa ang kalidad ng edukasyon sa DLSU. Kaya nga nakasali sa CHED blacklist eh.

At dapat may gawin sa kalidad ng estudyante. Hindi basta admit na lang ng admit maski mga super low IQ (eg greener_manure, sprakatumski, et al). Para kayong mga desperado sa paggawa ng pera.

At bawas bawasan din ang pag-hype na da best ang DLSU. Kasi walang naniniwala. Para kayong mga galing sa mental hospital na nagdedeliryo at malapit ng mag-migrate sa impiyerno (dedbol).

May da best ba naman na tambakan ng mga super slowwwwww at intellectually-challenged?

Yun truth lang po.

Newei sana dumami ang mga matitinong Lasalista tulad ni La Sallian.

NU Rulezzzzzzzz!


Originally posted by Spyderman
My concerns?

La Sallian mentioned most of them.

My primary concerns are:

1. deterioration in the quality of the Lasallian education;

2. our growing too fast as an insitution;

3. the admission of many "unfit: students;

4. prioritizing growth and profit over quality;

5. the escalating cost of education;

6. the prevalence of drug use on campus;

7. DLSU's reputation as an inferior academic institution compared to Ateneo and UP. This seems to get worse and worse partly because of the factors mentioned above, especially, the emphasis on growth and profit over quality.

That's it for now.

[Cobkin]

Firstly, I'm an Atenean, but I'd like to post comments here, constructive, I hope.

I think Philippine schools should face problems together, especially if they are hoping to compete globally.

Originally posted by La_SaIIian
Are you concerned about the following:

1. Our perennial role as a fallback choice of incoming college freshmen and our inability to consistently attract top talent. We tend to almost always lose the best applicants to schools like Ateneo and UP.
Don't be too hard on yourselves. I have friends who actually chose La Salle. Having said that, this may not be too unfounded an observation, but I think this stems from La Salle's accepting too many applicants. While La Salle can attract top notch students out of its own merits, its quite possible, mainly due to the volume of applicants you accept, na may mga second rates kayong tinatanggap.
So the question is, should La Salle be more selective in the kind and number of students that it accepts?

2. Too much emphasis by our administration on sports, specifically basketball, instead of academics.
Aside as a bashing tool :D come UAAP time, I don't really believe this to be the case. I think La Salle just has great support from alumni on this. This is actually an area the Ateneo, I think, emulated.

3. Over-expansion of the DLSU System and the resultant need to admit more and more unqualified, academically-challenged students.
I don't really see a problem wih overexpanding, it's a good source of revenue. The problem maybe is La Salle is trying to stamp its brand on the other institutions that it aquires to put a premium on fees. Nothing particularly wrong with that. La Salle should realize though that its brand may lose its luster a bit in the process. Maybe La Salle should look at developing another brand for these other schools and use "La Salle" more exclusively for say, DLSU.

4. Our focus on growth and profit as an institution, as opposed to quality. We're admitting more and more students. We have even adopted the trimestral system in order to increase revenue and to churn out students at a much faster rate.
I think you actually need to look at growth and profit to be able to compete globally, so there's really nothing particularly wrong with that. It's probably a matter of implementation. Like the Ateneo has also been looking at growing the school at a really rapid rate. It remains to be seen whether the quality of education also drops.

5. As a corollary to 4 above, DLSU has become like a factory, a diploma mill, a manufacturing machine. We need to humanize our institution.
This becomes the perception if you're producing second-rate graduates. Are you?

6. Corruption, unethical and immoral behavior of our school administators.

(hint hint >>>----> Expedition, Tampering with AsiaWeek data, and many others)
This is a serious allegation. Have you got proof for this?

7. The further deterioration in our already marginal academic standards due to the abovementioned factors - eg growth over quality, over-expansion, admission of marginal students.
I'm not sure if it follows. You'd think that you'll actually be able to improve your standards with increased earnings, won't you? Also, even if you're accepting marginal students, you don't really have to drop your passing standard, do you?

8. Our falling behind in fields like Computer Science to schools like the Ateneo; our falling behind in ECE compared to UST, UP and, in the near future, Ateneo and Mapua.

In the past few years, our students have been consistent losers, vis-a-vis the Ateneans, in interscholastic competitions even in our allegedly strong area like CS. (eg Microsoft Asia Competition, TrendMicro Competition, HP Asia, etc.)
Maybe the Ateneo just took serious strides to improve its program. I'm a Computer Science graduate, and five years ago, La Salle and UP were, on perception at least, so far ahead of Ateneo.

9. The ambiguity of our educational mission and strategy. We are now entering all kinds of areas like medicine (Dasma), creative vocations (CSB), agriculture (Araneta), and, possibly, law (Arellano). The point is, we're expanding in many directions but losing sight of "quality." I don't think the "if you build it, they will come" mentality works in education.
As I suggested, maybe you can look at not overusing the "La Salle" brand.

10. Our school's widespread reputation as a school for the mediocre and the "not so bright," compounded by the fact that we're accelerating our own demise and destruction due to the factors mentioned above (eg guantity and profit over quality; sports over academics).
Quality I think is directly proportional to revenues, at least in private insitutions. Sports over academics, I think is really baseless, save for your basketball players :D

More importantly, what can we do about them?
Off the top of my head? Use the "La Salle" brand exclusively for DLSU.

[Bullydogs]

Originally posted by Cobkin

Off the top of my head? Use the "La Salle" brand exclusively for DLSU.

Generally, okei ang mga comments mo.

Pero using the La Salle brand exclusively?

Alam mo ba na synonynous with mediocrity ang De La Salle?

Sa USA nga, ang daming may pangalang De La Salle pero ni isang DLS ay wala sa TOP 1000 schools in the USA (based on US News rankings).

Ikumpara mo sa mga Jesuits, na maraming Jesuit schools na nasa Top 50 tulad ng Georgetown, Fordham, Holy Cross at marami pang iba.

Kaya hindi lang sa Pinas ang pagka-ebaks ng DLSU, hanggang sa abroad ganun din ang reputasyon nila.

Yun truth lang po.

NU Rulezzzzzzzzzz!