Ok ba sa APC and NIIT? [Archive]

rabbaddal

May 24, 2002, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by wetworx

NIIT is very good, APC i dont know. APC is under SM foundation and IBM, if you think that SM foundation can handle the operations and schema of a school den its all up to you... :rolleyes:

I used to be a database instructor in APC before when I was still working for IBM. It all depends on what your educational objectives are. Generally speaking, the best option is to go to an established university like ADMU, UP, DLSU, UAP, UST, and the likes.

No offense meant but this is the objective of APC - get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. If that's all your after, then you won't be disappointed w/ APC. Basically APC's mission is to provide its students with quality technical skills, and its facilities are very good. But if you want a broader college education, then a traditional university is the better option.

erwyn_buloy

May 25, 2002, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by rabbaddal

I used to be a database instructor in APC before when I was still working for IBM. It all depends on what your educational objectives are. Generally speaking, the best option is to go to an established university like ADMU, UP, DLSU, UAP, UST, and the likes.

No offense meant but this is the objective of APC - get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. If that's all your after, then you won't be disappointed w/ APC. Basically APC's mission is to provide its students with quality technical skills, and its facilities are very good. But if you want a broader college education, then a traditional university is the better option.

tsong lahat ng school yan ang objective "get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job" ok!!! lahat naman ng tao yan din ang hanap [B]"get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job"[B] the point siguro ng thread starter is who gives the best curriculum, good teachers, and acceptance by the industry in respect to the alma mater :p *peace*

wetworx

May 25, 2002, 02:06 AM

rabbaddal

May 25, 2002, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by erwyn_buloy

tsong lahat ng school yan ang objective "get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job" ok!!! lahat naman ng tao yan din ang hanap [B]"get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job"[B] the point siguro ng thread starter is who gives the best curriculum, good teachers, and acceptance by the industry in respect to the alma mater :p *peace*

Wrong.

Most private universities go beyond - get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. Each traditional private university has its own mission and vision. Some provide a broad-based education, which is why their curricula have many units in the humanities and natural sciences. Some emphasize on religious values, so their curriculum includes units in theology as well as parish work and immersion. A ComSci student in Ateneo or La Salle, for example, has to cover these subjects over and above the major technical subjects that he/she has to complete. The goal of these universities is to produce graduates who are not just skilled in their profession but who also have a broader and more wholistic perspective of life.

APC has none of those frills. Since it is considered to be a college, it has to fulfill the minimum core curriculum subjects as specified by the DECS. However, APC does not go beyond the minimum core requirements and instead goes straight to the technical subjects. All it aims for is for its grads to be immediately employable in the soonest possible time by training its students w/ industry-specific skills w/o much of the excess baggage.

So once again, it all depends on what your objectives are. In my opinion, and only in my opinion, a more complete traditional university education is better.

Now, assuming you are considering APC, then like I mentioned earlier, you won't be disappointed w/ the facilities. It has lots of hand-me-downs from IBM such as AS/400s, RS/6000s, software, etc. Therefore, you learn various operating systems such as AIX, OS/400 plus IBM e-commerce development tools, databases, and more. If you're a hardware student, you'll have enough used equipment to practice with. And the school is well-staffed w/ competent professionals. Also, it's a prime recruiting ground for IBM subsidiaries such as ACISystems and CITE (now known as IBM Solutions Delivery, Inc.).

but FYI not all students are really looking for a degree.

APC's courses are degree courses (BS). I'm not sure if they offer associate degrees.

erwyn_buloy

May 25, 2002, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by rabbaddal

Wrong.

Most private universities go beyond - get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. Each traditional private university has its own mission and vision. Some provide a broad-based education, which is why their curricula have many units in the humanities and natural sciences. Some emphasize on religious values, so their curriculum includes units in theology as well as parish work and immersion. A ComSci student in Ateneo or La Salle, for example, has to cover these subjects over and above the major technical subjects that he/she has to complete. The goal of these universities is to produce graduates who are not just skilled in their profession but who also have a broader and more wholistic perspective of life.

APC has none of those frills. Since it is considered to be a college, it has to fulfill the minimum core curriculum subjects as specified by the DECS. However, APC does not go beyond the minimum core requirements and instead goes straight to the technical subjects. All it aims for is for its grads to be immediately employable in the soonest possible time by training its students w/ industry-specific skills w/o much of the excess baggage.

So once again, it all depends on what your objectives are. In my opinion, and only in my opinion, a more complete traditional university education is better.

Now, assuming you are considering APC, then like I mentioned earlier, you won't be disappointed w/ the facilities. It has lots of hand-me-downs from IBM such as AS/400s, RS/6000s, software, etc. Therefore, you learn various operating systems such as AIX, OS/400 plus IBM e-commerce development tools, databases, and more. If you're a hardware student, you'll have enough used equipment to practice with. And the school is well-staffed w/ competent professionals. Also, it's a prime recruiting ground for IBM subsidiaries such as ACISystems and CITE (now known as IBM Solutions Delivery, Inc.).

APC's courses are degree courses (BS). I'm not sure if they offer associate degrees.

pare ang point ko is that all these schools has on its sleeves the major objective in getting you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. do you know what is the difference between mission, vision, and objective? i guess go over your books man.
try to ask anybody who just finished high school, what is their usual reply if your gonna ask them why do you want to get a higher degree than high school for sure they will be saying get skilled, get degree, get you a job. ikaw ba nun pumasok ka sa college o kung san man eskuwelahan ang objective mo ba is to have a broader knowledge and see the wholistic perspective of life? what ur saying is very broad but as a student you dont get to realize that in the earliest stages

vinta18

May 25, 2002, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by erwyn_buloy

pare ang point ko is that all these schools has on its sleeves the major objective in getting you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. do you know what is the difference between mission, vision, and objective? i guess go over your books man.
try to ask anybody who just finished high school, what is their usual reply if your gonna ask them why do you want to get a higher degree than high school for sure they will be saying get skilled, get degree, get you a job. ikaw ba nun pumasok ka sa college o kung san man eskuwelahan ang objective mo ba is to have a broader knowledge and see the wholistic perspective of life? what ur saying is very broad but as a student you dont get to realize that in the earliest stages

I have to agree with rabbaddal on this. UP wants to produce graduates for the good of the country, DLSU wants "Christian achievers for god and country," while Ateneo forms "men for others." This is what sets them apart from schools like APC and AMA and STI. Yung latter, parang glorified na training ground lang. They don't have basketball teams, student councils, theatre guilds, etc.

Para ka lang nag seminar ng 4 na taon sa kanila unlike the traditional universities na may tradition and culture involved.

Skills are not #1 on these universities' agenda. Mas una yung formation of values (patriotism sa UP, Christian values sa iba) at pagbibigay ng "love for knowledge and higher learning."

erwyn_buloy

May 25, 2002, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by vinta18

I have to agree with rabbaddal on this. UP wants to produce graduates for the good of the country, DLSU wants "Christian achievers for god and country," while Ateneo forms "men for others." This is what sets them apart from schools like APC and AMA and STI. Yung latter, parang glorified na training ground lang. They don't have basketball teams, student councils, theatre guilds, etc.

Para ka lang nag seminar ng 4 na taon sa kanila unlike the traditional universities na may tradition and culture involved.

Skills are not #1 on these universities' agenda. Mas una yung formation of values (patriotism sa UP, Christian values sa iba) at pagbibigay ng "love for knowledge and higher learning."

huh!? would you please differentiate mission, vision and objective? we are talking about objective here my friend which means its short term that is specific.

biach

May 25, 2002, 10:50 AM

ive studied in NIIT before and believe me its not that good.i mean the lessons arent divided well.at the frst meetings theyre all slow and everything ,lack of examples,too obvious answeres to problems and when the end of the "term" is near they rush u into things -the most difficult parts so u end up not rly gettin the grasp of it all..meaning,u couldnt understand whats goin on ,how,which etc....
im ok with their model centered learning but the fact is they tryin to squeeze in too much info in so little time and they have a rpoblem with the way they conduct their lessons and examples..:hopeless:

vinta18

May 25, 2002, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by erwyn_buloy

huh!? would you please differentiate mission, vision and objective? we are talking about objective here my friend which means its short term that is specific.

Ah ok. I get your point. But I think rabbaddal's point is, yung objective ng old schools, mission na ng APC at NIIT. Siguro isama mo na ang AMA at STI diyan. Wala nang ibang "selling point" kundi the prospect of a good job.

rabbaddal

May 25, 2002, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by vinta18

Ah ok. I get your point. But I think rabbaddal's point is, yung objective ng old schools, mission na ng APC at NIIT. Siguro isama mo na ang AMA at STI diyan. Wala nang ibang "selling point" kundi the prospect of a good job.

vinta18,

I'm trying to figure out how to explain things to erwyn_buloy without sounding tactless or offensive.

erwin_buloy,

To answer your point here:

pare ang point ko is that all these schools has on its sleeves the major objective in getting you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. do you know what is the difference between mission, vision, and objective? i guess go over your books man.

If you want to look at it in terms of jobs, the jobs that a traditional university like ADMU, DLSU and UP train you for are very different from what a school like APC, NIIT, STI, and AMA do, espescially in the long term. If you want to be a Lotus application developer, then APC is good. If you want to do tech support, then APC is good. But if you want to be an IT consultant for Accenture, then a traditional university is better because the broader training that you get in these schools shapes you into someone who can work beyond just technical responsibilities - espescially when you are called to make important business decisions. Why do these schools offer this broader training? Because its their vision to produce well-rounded graduates no matter what profession they practice. Thus, the person will have a broader set of options later on in his career.

APC's vision for its graduates, on the other hand, is to provide you w/ just the right hard and soft skills for the person to find that first job. Sometimes, an APC grad may land a first job similar to that of a traditional university grad but in terms of long-term career prospects, traditional university grads have a wider set of options because they have been trained to work beyond professional skills.

[/QUOTE]ikaw ba nun pumasok ka sa college o kung san man eskuwelahan ang objective mo ba is to have a broader knowledge and see the wholistic perspective of life? what ur saying is very broad but as a student you dont get to realize that in the earliest stages

Yes. Even when I graduated from high school, I already had plans for myself and these plans meant that I would need to have more than just professional expertise up my sleeve - that I needed that "broader and more wholistic knowledge" that you say HS grads don't know (maybe some don't know but others do). The same is true w/ all my HS batchmates and all my friends who went to traditional universities. That's why as early as high school, we were already evaluating our options in light of what our personal career plans were.

And yes, I do know the difference between mission, vision, and objective - so much that I also know that there is a very gray and subjective line that separates these 3 ideas. I don't need books to figure that out but then again maybe you do.

Now I've answered the main issue of this thread from a perspective of someone who's actually taught part-time in APC and who has first-hand experience w/ working w/ APC, Ateneo, UP, and La Salle grads. I also know that many APC students could have actually qualified for traditional private and public universities had they tried. And what I'm trying to tell chloe15 - the starter of this thread, is that there are more things to consider besides getting the skills to land that first job because if professional skills is all you have, then you might be stuck in that first job for the rest of your career.

You, on the other hand, have only argued for argument's sake.

rabbaddal

May 25, 2002, 04:49 PM

double post

wetworx

May 26, 2002, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by biach
ive studied in NIIT before and believe me its not that good.i mean the lessons arent divided well.at the frst meetings theyre all slow and everything ,lack of examples,too obvious answeres to problems and when the end of the "term" is near they rush u into things -the most difficult parts so u end up not rly gettin the grasp of it all..meaning,u couldnt understand whats goin on ,how,which etc....
im ok with their model centered learning but the fact is they tryin to squeeze in too much info in so little time and they have a rpoblem with the way they conduct their lessons and examples..:hopeless:

how can u say its not divided well? are u a courseware developer or a curriculum analyst? dont say such things when u dont know how to. NIIT's Coursewares, learning methodology, and learning practice has met the highest standards in the industry considering ISO 9001 and in addition to the courseware it even has gained SEI-CMM level 5 certification by Carnegie Mellon University.

the subject if its to easy for u, then it really is so why d heck are u looking for much difficult problems when in reality its not that complicated. are u ok in saying that NIIT is squezing too much info in so little time? the fact is at NIIT u spend studying for 6 months and they even try to extend it just for u to cope with. Try to enroll at other I.T. schools and ul see their time is so squeezed out that u would want to return to NIIT.

i have worked as a network administrator of an I.T. firm and gladly i can say NIIT is the best in comparison with all the schools i entered. :p :cool:

wetworx

May 26, 2002, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by rabbaddal

vinta18,

I'm trying to figure out how to explain things to erwyn_buloy without sounding tactless or offensive.

erwin_buloy,

To answer your point here:

[QUOTE]
If you want to look at it in terms of jobs, the jobs that a traditional university like ADMU, DLSU and UP train you for are very different from what a school like APC, NIIT, STI, and AMA do, espescially in the long term. If you want to be a Lotus application developer, then APC is good. If you want to do tech support, then APC is good. But if you want to be an IT consultant for Accenture, then a traditional university is better because the broader training that you get in these schools shapes you into someone who can work beyond just technical responsibilities - espescially when you are called to make important business decisions. Why do these schools offer this broader training? Because its their vision to produce well-rounded graduates no matter what profession they practice. Thus, the person will have a broader set of options later on in his career.

APC's vision for its graduates, on the other hand, is to provide you w/ just the right hard and soft skills for the person to find that first job. Sometimes, an APC grad may land a first job similar to that of a traditional university grad but in terms of long-term career prospects, traditional university grads have a wider set of options because they have been trained to work beyond professional skills.

Yes. Even when I graduated from high school, I already had plans for myself and these plans meant that I would need to have more than just professional expertise up my sleeve - that I needed that "broader and more wholistic knowledge" that you say HS grads don't know (maybe some don't know but others do). The same is true w/ all my HS batchmates and all my friends who went to traditional universities. That's why as early as high school, we were already evaluating our options in light of what our personal career plans were.

And yes, I do know the difference between mission, vision, and objective - so much that I also know that there is a very gray and subjective line that separates these 3 ideas. I don't need books to figure that out but then again maybe you do.

Now I've answered the main issue of this thread from a perspective of someone who's actually taught part-time in APC and who has first-hand experience w/ working w/ APC, Ateneo, UP, and La Salle grads. I also know that many APC students could have actually qualified for traditional private and public universities had they tried. And what I'm trying to tell chloe15 - the starter of this thread, is that there are more things to consider besides getting the skills to land that first job because if professional skills is all you have, then you might be stuck in that first job for the rest of your career.

You, on the other hand, have only argued for argument's sake.

alam mo tsong chloe15 has already made a decision and she wants to study in either NIIT or APC, the question is simple dont confuse her. she may have studied the difference between the traditional school and an I.T. learning institution so dont brag her into something else. NIIT is the best its a guarantee and i'm not joking :D

i_love_fridays

May 26, 2002, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by chloe15
naghahanap kasi ako ng good computer schools pag di ako natanggap sa school na gusto ko. info's naman about these schools.

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines which ranks amongst the TOP 15 in IT training and education companies and the No. 1 in Asia accdg. to IDC.

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines which is also a software developer.

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines whicvh has the state-of-art Futurz curriculum.

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines where the student materials, education delivery, and multimedia efforts is driven using ISO 9001 compliant procedures and processes.

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines which is supported by a full team of R&D professionals who constantly upgrade the curriculum to offer world's latest technology.

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines which develops learning materials for IT software corporations such as Microsoft, Computer Associates, Oracle and etc...

NIIT is the only global Institution in the Philippines which has a unique problem driven methodology which makes it easy for students to understand and retain

do i need to add more?

rabbaddal

May 26, 2002, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by wetworx

alam mo tsong chloe15 has already made a decision and she wants to study in either NIIT or APC, the question is simple dont confuse her. she may have studied the difference between the traditional school and an I.T. learning institution so dont brag her into something else.

I disagree w/ you. When a person opens a thread in PEX, he or she is inviting different people to share their perspectives. Sometimes, you might even get an idea or perspective that you haven't even considered in the past. And each PEXer has his or her own way of communicating his or her own ideas, even if it may not be agreeable with others. And I think that I've said just about enough about the pluses and minuses of APC based on my own personal experience - just another perspective among others.

wetworx

May 26, 2002, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by rabbaddal

I disagree w/ you. When a person opens a thread in PEX, he or she is inviting different people to share their perspectives. Sometimes, you might even get an idea or perspective that you haven't even considered in the past. And each PEXer has his or her own way of communicating his or her own ideas, even if it may not be agreeable with others. And I think that I've said just about enough about the pluses and minuses of APC based on my own personal experience - just another perspective among others.

you dont get me do you? i said she already considered a traditional university di ba she is just waiting for the result now if she wasnt accepted with the school she wants to enter right now den she's looking forward to enroll in either NIIT or APC pare basahin mo nga un first message nya. geesh!!! :p :cool:

rabbaddal

May 26, 2002, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by wetworx

you dont get me do you? i said she already considered a traditional university di ba she is just waiting for the result now if she wasnt accepted with the school she wants to enter right now den she's looking forward to enroll in either NIIT or APC pare basahin mo nga un first message nya. geesh!!! :p :cool:

Dude, first of all, the topic of the thread is - "OK ba sa APC or NIIT?". Now the very first thing that I posted answered the APC part of the question so you'll have to point out which part of my first post over here didn't fit into the question -

I used to be a database instructor in APC before when I was still working for IBM. It all depends on what your educational objectives are. Generally speaking, the best option is to go to an established university like ADMU, UP, DLSU, UAP, UST, and the likes.

And even if she already applied to traditional universities, that doesn't stop other people from sharing their insights. There is no deadline when it comes to learning new things. Every stage in life presents its own set of options. And I can argue with you all day long about just how many these options are even in her present situation, but that wouldn't be doing this thread any good. If there's something that I know that I think will be useful to the thread starter, than I will share it. You may not think it's useful, but I do. And its up to the thread starter, not you, to decide whether or not he or she will use whatever it is I have to share w/ him or her. If you have something of value to the main topic to add yourself, then feel free to share your thoughts. Can we just respect each other's opinion on the matter? I hope this isn't too much to ask.

wetworx

May 28, 2002, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by rabbaddal

I used to be a database instructor in APC before when I was still working for IBM. It all depends on what your educational objectives are. Generally speaking, the best option is to go to an established university like ADMU, UP, DLSU, UAP, UST, and the likes.

No offense meant but this is the objective of APC - get you skilled, get you a degree, get you a job. If that's all your after, then you won't be disappointed w/ APC. Basically APC's mission is to provide its students with quality technical skills, and its facilities are very good. But if you want a broader college education, then a traditional university is the better option.

will u study what u have replied, ur 1st answer is the best option is to go to a university and ur second answer is about APC. you are not answering the thread starter direct to the point wag ka na paliguy-liguy kino-confuse mo lang si chloe15 nagsabi na nga siya na kinonsider na nya ang university and college option na ngayon ang tinitingnan nya. i respect ur point of view tsong my analysis to all ur replies is a bit confusing for the thread starter."we are here to help her not confuse her" intiendez :p :rolleyes:

rabbaddal

May 28, 2002, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by wetworx

will u study what u have replied, ur 1st answer is the best option is to go to a university and ur second answer is about APC

You said it yourself. I did answer the question based on what I know about APC. What's the problem? Not only have I read through my replies but I have also read through your comments about my first post and I find them lacking in merit.

If I had also given my biased opinion re. university education, I'm free to do that. chloe15 is smart enough to think through the posts in this thread.

What I have posted in this thread is an evaluation of an APC education as compared to a traditional university education. Given that chloe15 asked the question - "OK ba sa APC and NIIT?", anyone can interpret this as him/her asking for info. re. all aspects of these schools - "Where are they located?", "How are the facilities?" and even ..."How do they compare to traditional universities?" You may or may not have thought about this angle, and I don't blame you for that. But I have and I am by all means free to share my thoughts. What if, for example, he/she had applied to 3 universities but would plan to enroll in APC if he/she didn't get in her first choice only? Each of us has our own opinion about the matter.

The fact that he/she said he/she already applied to traditional universities doesn't mean that he/she has already compared an APC education to a university education - unless of course you want to put thoughts in the thread starter's mind. The only thing we are sure of is that the thread starter applied to a university. The question is very open-ended in itself.

wetworx

May 28, 2002, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by chloe15
naghahanap kasi ako ng good computer schools pag di ako natanggap sa school na gusto ko. info's naman about these schools.

HELLO!!! THIS IS NOT AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION IN COMPARISON WITH A UNIVERSITY ITS AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION DIRECTED TO APC AND NIIT, GETS? PAGTINANONG KA ANONG GUSTO MO CHICKEN OR PORK ITS NOT THE SAME AS BAKIT GINUSTO MO ANG CHICKEN KAYSA PORK DI BA? ang kelangan ni chloe15 are informations about APC and NIIT. u are being biased sa mga suggestions mo tsong think about it. simpleng question kino-complicate mo geesh!!!:rolleyes: :cool:

vinta18

May 28, 2002, 08:35 AM

The nice thing about message boards like this is the way the thread of thought meanders. A simple thread about board exam results turns into a school bashing fiesta, a question on the curriculum turns into a critique of the government's education policies.

OK lang yun.

Chloe15, who hasn't posted lately, has gotten some answers from all of us already. Whether she wants to take them into consideration or not is none of our business. Rabbaddal, along with his evaluation, posted a sort of commentary about these newfangeld schools which also deserves to be discussed.

Stop arguing over nothing. I guess I should start a thread on this. Something like :traditional schools versus these new fangled ones like Thames and APC.

rabbaddal

May 28, 2002, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by wetworx

HELLO!!! THIS IS NOT AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION IN COMPARISON WITH A UNIVERSITY ITS AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION DIRECTED TO APC AND NIIT, GETS?

To me it's an open-ended question. To you it,s not. What you're attempting to do is setting the criteria by which other people should answer the question - based on your interpretation of the question.

And my answer to you is - it's none of your business how I or any other PEXer wants to interpret the question.

Originally posted by wetworx

PAGTINANONG KA ANONG GUSTO MO CHICKEN OR PORK ITS NOT THE SAME AS BAKIT GINUSTO MO ANG CHICKEN KAYSA PORK DI BA? ang kelangan ni chloe15 are informations about APC and NIIT.

There's your problem. You are imposing your own flawed interpretation of the question over me. The question "OK ba sa APC and NIIT?" does not translate to - "Which is better - APC or NIIT?". To me, it simply means - "Is it OK in APC and NIIT?".

And my answer is - "As far as APC is concerned, it is not OK when compared to alternetives, and there is a better alternative to the school that you have to exhaust to the limit."

Remember, the thread starter never told us what and how many universities she applied to. What if she applied to only 3 and then she thinks that after those 3, its APC and NIIT? I have my opinion on this matter and so do you. I can respect your opinion. Now you respect mine.

Originally posted by wetworx
u are being biased sa mga suggestions mo tsong think about it. simpleng question kino-complicate mo geesh!!!:rolleyes: :cool:

Of course I'm being biased. And if you haven't been browsing PEX lately, this entire forum is seething with biases in one form or another. That's what having an opinion is all about. And I'm sharing my opinion based on my direct experience with APC. I didn't talk about NIIT because I haven't heard much about the school except for the fact that my former company almost sued NIIT because it falsely advertised that our company was endorsing it.

Just let chloe15 be the judge, OK?

vinta18,

Remember what I said earlier about arguing for argument's sake? This isn't even a school bashing thread - rather its a useless and mundane argument over personal intepretations. What I can't understand is why this guy, whom by his other posts can be inferred to be studying in NIIT, doggedly insists on debating over the way I interpreted and answered the original question rather than tackle the original question head-on and give his own insights. The only thing I can guess is that he actually thinks I have a good point, but then, I'd only be guessing. This is after all a solicitation thread and all info. about the matter is welcome.

erwyn_buloy

May 29, 2002, 04:57 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rabbaddal

To me it's an open-ended question. To you it,s not. What you're attempting to do is setting the criteria by which other people should answer the question - based on your interpretation of the question.

And my answer to you is - it's none of your business how I or any other PEXer wants to interpret the question.

There's your problem. You are imposing your own flawed interpretation of the question over me. The question "OK ba sa APC and NIIT?" does not translate to - "Which is better - APC or NIIT?". To me, it simply means - "Is it OK in APC and NIIT?".

And my answer is - "As far as APC is concerned, it is not OK when compared to alternetives, and there is a better alternative to the school that you have to exhaust to the limit."

Remember, the thread starter never told us what and how many universities she applied to. What if she applied to only 3 and then she thinks that after those 3, its APC and NIIT? I have my opinion on this matter and so do you. I can respect your opinion. Now you respect mine.

Of course I'm being biased. And if you haven't been browsing PEX lately, this entire forum is seething with biases in one form or another. That's what having an opinion is all about. And I'm sharing my opinion based on my direct experience with APC. I didn't talk about NIIT because I haven't heard much about the school except for the fact that my former company almost sued NIIT because it falsely advertised that our company was endorsing it.

Just let chloe15 be the judge, OK?

who told u that ur company sued NIIT? never ever say that bacause it never happened give me the facts and il throw everything on your face coz i have worked in NIIT since it started. get a life sour graping biased teacher. :mad:

erwyn_buloy

May 29, 2002, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by rabbaddal

To me it's an open-ended question. To you it,s not. What you're attempting to do is setting the criteria by which other people should answer the question - based on your interpretation of the question.

And my answer to you is - it's none of your business how I or any other PEXer wants to interpret the question.

There's your problem. You are imposing your own flawed interpretation of the question over me. The question "OK ba sa APC and NIIT?" does not translate to - "Which is better - APC or NIIT?". To me, it simply means - "Is it OK in APC and NIIT?".

And my answer is - "As far as APC is concerned, it is not OK when compared to alternetives, and there is a better alternative to the school that you have to exhaust to the limit."

Remember, the thread starter never told us what and how many universities she applied to. What if she applied to only 3 and then she thinks that after those 3, its APC and NIIT? I have my opinion on this matter and so do you. I can respect your opinion. Now you respect mine.

Of course I'm being biased. And if you haven't been browsing PEX lately, this entire forum is seething with biases in one form or another. That's what having an opinion is all about. And I'm sharing my opinion based on my direct experience with APC. I didn't talk about NIIT because I haven't heard much about the school except for the fact that my former company almost sued NIIT because it falsely advertised that our company was endorsing it.

Just let chloe15 be the judge, OK?

vinta18,

Remember what I said earlier about arguing for argument's sake? This isn't even a school bashing thread - rather its a useless and mundane argument over personal intepretations. What I can't understand is why this guy, whom by his other posts can be inferred to be studying in NIIT, doggedly insists on debating over the way I interpreted and answered the original question rather than tackle the original question head-on and give his own insights. The only thing I can guess is that he actually thinks I have a good point, but then, I'd only be guessing. This is after all a solicitation thread and all info. about the matter is welcome.

here is your problem based on what i think, when my friend wetworx said kung tinanong ka anong gusto mo chicken or pork he was reffering to being straight to the point e ano ang pinagsasabi mo una about College and University then secondary un APC pare uulitin namin sa yo wag mo na i-confuse un tao. when Chloe15 raised this thread she was directly asking for informations about APC and NIIT gets mo "Informations about NIIT and APC" hindi what is the best choice College or I.T. Schools ulitin namin ha ang objective ng thread na to is to get infos. about NIIT and APC not difference 'bout I.T. schools and Colleges. ok!!! :mad:

erwyn_buloy

May 29, 2002, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by erwyn_buloy
Originally posted by rabbaddal

To me it's an open-ended question. To you it,s not. What you're attempting to do is setting the criteria by which other people should answer the question - based on your interpretation of the question.

And my answer to you is - it's none of your business how I or any other PEXer wants to interpret the question.

There's your problem. You are imposing your own flawed interpretation of the question over me. The question "OK ba sa APC and NIIT?" does not translate to - "Which is better - APC or NIIT?". To me, it simply means - "Is it OK in APC and NIIT?".

And my answer is - "As far as APC is concerned, it is not OK when compared to alternetives, and there is a better alternative to the school that you have to exhaust to the limit."

Remember, the thread starter never told us what and how many universities she applied to. What if she applied to only 3 and then she thinks that after those 3, its APC and NIIT? I have my opinion on this matter and so do you. I can respect your opinion. Now you respect mine.

Of course I'm being biased. And if you haven't been browsing PEX lately, this entire forum is seething with biases in one form or another. That's what having an opinion is all about. And I'm sharing my opinion based on my direct experience with APC. I didn't talk about NIIT because I haven't heard much about the school except for the fact that my former company almost sued NIIT because it falsely advertised that our company was endorsing it.

Just let chloe15 be the judge, OK?

who told u that ur company sued NIIT? never ever say that bacause it never happened give me the facts and il throw everything on your face coz i have worked in NIIT since it started. get a life sour graping biased teacher. :mad:

rabbaddal

May 29, 2002, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by erwyn_buloy

here is your problem based on what i think, when my friend wetworx said kung tinanong ka anong gusto mo chicken or pork he was reffering to being straight to the point e ano ang pinagsasabi mo una about College and University then secondary un APC pare uulitin namin sa yo wag mo na i-confuse un tao. when Chloe15 raised this thread she was directly asking for informations about APC and NIIT gets mo "Informations about NIIT and APC" hindi what is the best choice College or I.T. Schools ulitin namin ha ang objective ng thread na to is to get infos. about NIIT and APC not difference 'bout I.T. schools and Colleges. ok!!! :mad:

It's not OK. I can respect your point of view of my problem based on what you think. I also don't mean to insult your reading skills. But I think you missed out on this part of my post (worth about 3 paragraphs)...

Originally posted by rabbaddal

There's your problem. You are imposing your own flawed interpretation of the question over me. The question "OK ba sa APC and NIIT?" does not translate to - "Which is better - APC or NIIT?". To me, it simply means - "Is it OK in APC and NIIT?".

And my answer is - "As far as APC is concerned, it is not OK when compared to alternetives, and there is a better alternative to the school that you have to exhaust to the limit."

Remember, the thread starter never told us what and how many universities she applied to. What if she applied to only 3 and then she thinks that after those 3, its APC and NIIT? I have my opinion on this matter and so do you. I can respect your opinion. Now you respect mine.

As I have respected your interpretation of the question, I ask you to respect mine.

Originally posted by erwyn_buloy

who told u that ur company sued NIIT? never ever say that bacause it never happened give me the facts and il throw everything on your face coz i have worked in NIIT since it started. get a life sour graping biased teacher. :mad: [/QUOTE]

Review my post again. I said "almost sued". I didn't say they sued. The verb becomes different when you add the qualifier "almost". That's why I've no comments about NIIT and have limited them to APC alone.

We answer the question as we see fit.

DigitalAnalog

May 29, 2002, 07:12 AM

Now we have here, ladies and gentlemen, a live demonstration of some of the differences between traditional Universities and the new IT schools. ;)

i_love_fridays

May 29, 2002, 08:07 AM

NIIT is really good based on my experience as well as my peer groups who is currently enrolled in NIIT. ang suggestion ko sa yo is try to inquire in those schools and see for yourself. i finished a four-year degree yet i believe that NIIT gave me a broader outset. :cheers: try enrolling your are not required to take the whole two-year program start with the 1st semester and see for urself at least u already have the skills that the companies are using already. its a very good investment i can say. good luck! chloe15 pareng erwyn_buloy and wetworx cool down *okay*

chloe15

May 30, 2002, 08:29 PM

di pa din ako makapag decide. :(

Magkano ba tuition fees sa mga school na to? baka kasi kulangin sa budget. :teehee:

wetworx

May 31, 2002, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by chloe15
di pa din ako makapag decide. :(

Magkano ba tuition fees sa mga school na to? baka kasi kulangin sa budget. :teehee:

at NIIT the tuition fee for the 1st semester is P21,400 but if u want u can pay it in installments. If u prefer the installments its about 3,000+ every month and no interest charge yet this includes all the books, CD's membership to Netvarsity a virtual university which offers a lot of features, and ur unlimited internet access. what more can u ask for. try inquiring now if you can :cool:

necr0

May 31, 2002, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by DigitalAnalog
Now we have here, ladies and gentlemen, a live demonstration of some of the differences between traditional Universities and the new IT schools. ;)

:lol: onga

erwyn_buloy

May 31, 2002, 12:00 PM

ako ay humihingi ng paunawa sa pexpipol. maaaring may pagkakamali ako sa aking mga opinion ngunit, datapwat, subalit may mga tama din akong mga sinabi. NIIT rulleeezzzz!!!! :cool:

Det7

Jun 1, 2002, 09:15 AM

eto. last meeting na nmen sa niit.

niit pa den. baet teacher dito..

enroll ka na chloe..

Det7

Jun 1, 2002, 09:16 AM

eto. last meeting na nmen sa niit.

niit pa den. baet teacher dito..

enroll ka na chloe.. sa ortigas ha, *** mkita mo si erwin_buloy. aheheh..

peace out!

erwyn_buloy

Jun 1, 2002, 10:32 AM

salamat kaibigan Det7 sana naway nakatulong ng malaki sa yo ang NIIT. paalam

marz05

Jun 8, 2002, 12:00 PM

Chloe15, advice lang!!! huwag ka na lang pumasok sa APC kahit nung May 29 pa ang pasukan doon kasi walang kuwenta ang skul na yun kasi dun me galing. mga walang kuwenta ang ilan sa mga profs diyan. ibabagsak ka lang kahit hindi ka naman dapat ibagsak. lalo na yung isang naging teacher ko diyan sa C language. Payo ko lang... mag-AMA or mag-NIIT ka na lang. But I think mas maganda sa Informatics. Good Curriculum ang meron sa kanila...
Now kasi nasa East Asia College ako, sister school ng APC but mas maganda kesa sa jologs na school na yan.

bubbles7

Jun 12, 2002, 08:35 AM

Hey guys you should know how to respect others' points of view. You know who you are *peace*

Question: Is it true that NIIT ONLY offers IT/computer related subjects? I mean, is that possible? I think DECS/PAASCU wouldn't accept that. It doesn't mean that if you are taking up IT, then all your subjects must be related to IT. Like if you are taking up medicine, then all your subjects must be related to medicine? Da heck. Oh well, I don't know....

chloe15 APC is trimestral. The tuition fee is around Php 26-31000 per term. What's so nice about APC is that they offer scholarship programs. Just wondering why there are students there na rich naman, tapos nag-aaply pa for scholarship. :confused:

I studied at APC (1st year/1st-2nd term)
I transferred to Ateneo because we live in Valley Golf Antipolo. We only have 2 cars, used by my mom and dad. I commute from Antipolo to Magallanes. (My parents' don't want me to rent a dorm/condo) It's quite difficult especially during rush hours. If you're wondering why ngayon lang ako nag-Ateneo is because na-late ako nung submission ng application form. Not La Salle because apparently, it's farther. Not UA&P because my almost all the members of my kada are there na. Ma-B-B.I. lang ulit ako. Enough of my story....

About APC

The curriculum is good and the facilities are great! Some of the professors are part-timer profs at UP and DLSU. That's all I can say for now.

But yeah, it is true that 2 out of 10 professors are "bulok". :vomit:

rabbaddal :handsdown:

marz05 No offense ah. Baka naman you are deserved to be dumped talaga. You know, ang student ang gumagawa ng grades niya. If you did really bad, then you are deserved to be flunked di ba? Just think of it. Well yeah sometimes it depends on the prof... Hindi rin e, e basta pag nag-aaral, walang problema. ;)

erwyn_buloy

Jun 12, 2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by bubbles7
Hey guys you should know how to respect others' points of view. You know who you are *peace*

Question: Is it true that NIIT ONLY offers IT/computer related subjects? I mean, is that possible? I think DECS/PAASCU wouldn't accept that. It doesn't mean that if you are taking up IT, then all your subjects must be related to IT. Like if you are taking up medicine, then all your subjects must be related to medicine? Da heck. Oh well, I don't know....

For your information my dear friend a school like NIIT is not under DECS/PAASCU y? because first and foremost DECS is for high school and grade school. CHED is for college and university while NIIT offers technical courses which is certified by TESDA

chloe15 APC is trimestral. The tuition fee is around Php 26-31000 per term. What's so nice about APC is that they offer scholarship programs. Just wondering why there are students there na rich naman, tapos nag-aaply pa for scholarship. :confused:

NIIT offers Scholarships too

I studied at APC (1st year/1st-2nd term)
I transferred to Ateneo because we live in Valley Golf Antipolo. We only have 2 cars, used by my mom and dad. I commute from Antipolo to Magallanes. (My parents' don't want me to rent a dorm/condo) It's quite difficult especially during rush hours. If you're wondering why ngayon lang ako nag-Ateneo is because na-late ako nung submission ng application form. Not La Salle because apparently, it's farther. Not UA&P because my almost all the members of my kada are there na. Ma-B-B.I. lang ulit ako. Enough of my story....

About APC

The curriculum is good and the facilities are great! Some of the professors are part-timer profs at UP and DLSU. That's all I can say for now.

But yeah, it is true that 2 out of 10 professors are "bulok". :vomit:

NIIT's Professors are full-time(available for consultation too) and before they handle a class they undergo extensive training from our Indian Consultants with regards to technical and teaching skills, so that they are well equipped with what they are teaching and they know how to deliver that to the students

rabbaddal :handsdown:

marz05 No offense ah. Baka naman you are deserved to be dumped talaga. You know, ang student ang gumagawa ng grades niya. If you did really bad, then you are deserved to be flunked di ba? Just think of it. Well yeah sometimes it depends on the prof... Hindi rin e, e basta pag nag-aaral, walang problema. ;) :cool:

rabbaddal

Jun 12, 2002, 01:55 PM

bubbles7,

Are you based in Las Vegas now? Dami bang Atenista dun? Any plans for grad studies in the future?

Kikkomann

Jun 13, 2002, 01:38 PM

NIIT offers Scholarships too

Yes... maybe. But not as generous as what APC offers to its students.

marz05 Ewan ko lang ah, pero kasi ok naman sa APC eh. Siguro, marami ngang abnoy na teacher diyan sa APC, na nambabagsak ng walang batayan, gumagamit ng roleta sa pagbibigay ng grades (tulad ng umalis na teacher na si MS. GRACE REPATACODO) pero believe me, kung alam nilang marunong ka they'll give you a boost.

rabbaddal Hanggang kelan ka nagturo sa APC? What subject? INAS400 o DATAMAN? Gets ko yung point mo dun sa iba mong post... di ko lang maintindihan kung bakit may ibang mga tao da di marunong umintindi kahit na maliwanag pa mineral water ang sinasabi mo...

Bato2 sa langit, ang tamaan huwag mangingitlog...:D

rabbaddal

Jun 13, 2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Kikkomann

rabbaddal Hanggang kelan ka nagturo sa APC? What subject? INAS400 o DATAMAN? Gets ko yung point mo dun sa iba mong post... di ko lang maintindihan kung bakit may ibang mga tao da di marunong umintindi kahit na maliwanag pa mineral water ang sinasabi mo...

It was a short course in Data Warehousing. Part-time lang ako nagturo coz I was really an IBM employee in charge of all Data Management products (kind of like the product marketing manager). The reason why we had that course in APC was bec. we wanted to promote the use of DB2 and all affiliated skills at the school level. What concerned us at that time was that most grads were skilled in MS SQLServer more than any other database. The course was held in 2000 and considering that I was one of the few people certified in DB2 and DB2 OLAP, I had to teach the course myself until other people could come up to speed.

Right now, I'm no longer w/ IBM since I'm taking up my grad studies in New York.

marz05

Jun 26, 2002, 09:34 AM

:speak:
speak no evil.....

marz05

Jun 26, 2002, 09:48 AM

bubbles7
alam mo? bakit parang sinasabi mo na hindi ako nag-aaral ng mabuti? e scholar nga ako sa APC e! so kailangan ko talagang magsunog ng kilay. hindi kasi ako katulad ng ibang tao sa skul na yan na ubod ng yaman na puwedeng ma-afford ang 28,000 per sem.
*** tungkol sa teacher, WALA TALAGA SIYANG KUWENTA dahil talaga namang karamihan sa mga prof diyan ay biased... MAY PINAPANIGAN!!! KAHIT ANONG GAWIN NG SCHOOL NIYONG UBOD NG GANDA... KATULAD LANG SILA NG AMA SA CURRICULUM. AT HINDI SILA ANG BEST I.T. SCHOOL SA PHILIPPINES AYON NA MISMO SA CHED. KAYA HUWAG NA KAYONG UMEPAL NA MAGANDA ANG TURO NIYO AT KAYO ANG NO. 1!!!
FILIPINO LANG NAGING UNO PA ANG GRADE KO??? SAMANTALANG YUNG ISANG KAKLASE KO AY 4 SAMANTALANG UBOD NG TAMAD GUMAWA NG PAPER WORKS AT PURO PAPOGI LANG YUN... SANA KARMAHIN SIYA(^_^)

ITANONG NIYO SA CHED KUNG SINO ANG BEST I.T. SCHOOL HA?!?!?! AT ALAM KONG BALANG-ARAW MAGSISISI KAYO...

OR ITANONG NIYO NA LANG KUNG SAAN GALING SI DR. PAULINO TAN AT NASAAN ANG KARAMIHAN SA MGA S.M. SCHOLARS... UN ANG SCHOOL NA CNASABI KONG BEST I.T. SCHOOL SA PHILIPPINES...

Kikkomann

Jun 27, 2002, 12:59 AM

bubbles7

Jun 28, 2002, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by marz05
bubbles7
alam mo? bakit parang sinasabi mo na hindi ako nag-aaral ng mabuti? e scholar nga ako sa APC e! so kailangan ko talagang magsunog ng kilay. hindi kasi ako katulad ng ibang tao sa skul na yan na ubod ng yaman na puwedeng ma-afford ang 28,000 per sem.
*** tungkol sa teacher, WALA TALAGA SIYANG KUWENTA dahil talaga namang karamihan sa mga prof diyan ay biased... MAY PINAPANIGAN!!! KAHIT ANONG GAWIN NG SCHOOL NIYONG UBOD NG GANDA... KATULAD LANG SILA NG AMA SA CURRICULUM. AT HINDI SILA ANG BEST I.T. SCHOOL SA PHILIPPINES AYON NA MISMO SA CHED. KAYA HUWAG NA KAYONG UMEPAL NA MAGANDA ANG TURO NIYO AT KAYO ANG NO. 1!!!
FILIPINO LANG NAGING UNO PA ANG GRADE KO??? SAMANTALANG YUNG ISANG KAKLASE KO AY 4 SAMANTALANG UBOD NG TAMAD GUMAWA NG PAPER WORKS AT PURO PAPOGI LANG YUN... SANA KARMAHIN SIYA(^_^)

ITANONG NIYO SA CHED KUNG SINO ANG BEST I.T. SCHOOL HA?!?!?! AT ALAM KONG BALANG-ARAW MAGSISISI KAYO...

OR ITANONG NIYO NA LANG KUNG SAAN GALING SI DR. PAULINO TAN AT NASAAN ANG KARAMIHAN SA MGA S.M. SCHOLARS... UN ANG SCHOOL NA CNASABI KONG BEST I.T. SCHOOL SA PHILIPPINES...

erwyn_buloy Sorry, It should be CHED pala...

marz05 Keep your cool

Financial or academic scholar?

Hey, I'm sure I didn't mention that APC is the best I.T. school a? What are you talking about?
Sorry about what I've said before. Who was your teacher?

You're right. There are professors na biased. Naalala ko.

Kikkomann Not that generous? Nye ang dami ngang scholar dun... puro 60%. My friend said konti na nga lang nag-e-SA.

rabbaddal I'm staying here in the Philippines. Yup I have plans... Maybe at DLSU, UA&P or abroad... after 3 or 4 years after my college graduation. :)