gibson OR fender???

[GaiNaX_mEmO]

ako both....kayo ano?? :evilgrin:

[c0g]

that's like apples and oranges man.

[marloni]

Fender ako. fender stratocaster. clapton, hendrix, blackmore, SRV, Jeff Beck, Malmsteen, cge na nga Sambora hehe. how can u go wrong with a fender strat lol...

[rave]

It depends on your style and preference. Gibsons tend to sound "fatter" because of their hollow bodies. Fenders, on the other hand, have solid bodies and sound more "electric".

Hmmm, di ako expert dito eh. Maybe the guitar gurus here can elaborate on this, in terms of what specific styles are good for which specific sounds.

Mas makapal din yata yung fingerboard (neck?) ng mga Gibson... :)

[Alfie1975]

if i could afford it, i'l buy a les paul or an es-335 and a strat. haaaay, sarap mangarap...

[SkaRLa]

It really depends on your style. Both are good. OK din Ibanez sa rakrakan - glam style ba.

[K_r_a_m]

It depends. If the song has a "fat" tone, I'll use Gibson. If the song has more treble, I'll use Fender.

But I prefer to use Fender because of its flexibility.


:bookworm2:

[marloni]

Originally posted by SkaRLa
It really depends on your style. Both are good. OK din Ibanez sa rakrakan - glam style ba.

i think charvel, Kramer and jackson are more glam than ibanez guitars. ibanez was the preferred ax of the great 80's guitarists like Vai, satriani, Paul gilbert, reb beach...

[rokker]

between the two, if you can afford it, go for the gibson. the gibson les paul is a classic! i've tried one sa perfect pitch. it sounds fuller than any other guitar i've played before... but, of course, i'm just learning these things so i guess, you can't trust me on this one.

personally, i'd go for the ibanez. they're light and not very bulky so you could easily move around on stage with em'. they sound crunchier too. :rocker:

[OTEP R]

K_r_a_m,

Marunong ka ba talaga mag-gitara? :D

[extreme16199]

both. each one occupies its own sonic territory. in fact, each one has models which are distinct from each other (strats and teles for fender, and les pauls and es-335's for gibson) and are all valid in their own right.

[extreme16199]

Originally posted by rave
It depends on your style and preference. Gibsons tend to sound "fatter" because of their hollow bodies. Fenders, on the other hand, have solid bodies and sound more "electric".

Hmmm, di ako expert dito eh. Maybe the guitar gurus here can elaborate on this, in terms of what specific styles are good for which specific sounds.

Mas makapal din yata yung fingerboard (neck?) ng mga Gibson... :)

most gibsons have solid bodies with the exception of the hollow body series (es series). their most famous model, the les paul, is as solid as they come. what makes gibsons sound fatter are the humbuckers and the mahogany body.

both fenders and gibsons are valid for a lot of different musical styles.

gibson necks are not necessarily thicker. the thickness of the neck is model and period dependent.

hope this clarifies some things.

[c0g]

Originally posted by rave
It depends on your style and preference. Gibsons tend to sound "fatter" because of their hollow bodies. Fenders, on the other hand, have solid bodies and sound more "electric".



UNTRUE!!! Gibsons aren't usually hollowbodies. There are hollowbodied models like the ones used by BB King and such but those models aren't as popular as the Les Paul which is probably Gibsons main guitar. Other very popular models like the SG, the Explorer and the Firebird are also solidbodies/ It is true that Gibsons generally do sound warmer or as you say it "fatter" because of the fact that they're heavier and they usually have PAF or humbucker pickups. More wood usually means warmer sound. Along also with how the neck is constructed etc.

[wpg]

actually, the BB King guitar is a solidbody...

[rumblebelly]

Uy! Alam ko hindi a! "Lucille"(as it is fondly called by The King himself) is hollow like a 335 with special tone chambers and a solid block in the middle to hold the bridge. It looks solid only because it doesn't have f-holes.

I prefer Gibsons(esp. the Les Paul Custom, SG, and Explorer) because humbuckers and mahogany bodies just respond better, hence "fatter" tone. Problem is, I couldn't afford them, I just borrow from friends whenever I get the chance hehehe. :D(My main guitar is an Ibanez USA Custom) The only Fenders that I really liked are the Telecaster(Albert Collins!), Mustang, and Jazzmaster.

[GraceUnderFire]

i'd get both, depending on the budget, it's nice to have a strat and a les paul, both have they're own unique characteristics.

[loser]

i'd say fender tone wise, but maybe image wise (look at slash), it'd be cooler to own a les paul.

i especially love the tone of ritchie blackmore.

[GaiNaX_mEmO]

if im going to get a gibson...gusto o yung gibson sg saka explorer.
kung fender naman gusto yung 72 telecaster thinline at saka yung signiture series ni erc clapton!!! :evilgrin:

[rokker]

there's a cheap alternative to les pauls. i don't think it'll sound as full but i guess you can always go with paul reed smith guitars. mike einzeger uses a PRS. i think si santana din. cool yun. i don't know the specs but the one used by einzeger has a neck humbucker and a bridge humbucker. instead of "on-off" switches, it has a selector switch. don't know ah. maybe the gearhedz could fill you in.

[c0g]

Originally posted by wpg
actually, the BB King guitar is a solidbody...


no it isn't. it's one of those things that are called semi-hollow bodies. 335 kaya yon. wala lang po siyang f-hole unlike the casinos.

[c0g]

Originally posted by rokker
there's a cheap alternative to les pauls. i don't think it'll sound as full but i guess you can always go with paul reed smith guitars. mike einzeger uses a PRS. i think si santana din. cool yun. i don't know the specs but the one used by einzeger has a neck humbucker and a bridge humbucker. instead of "on-off" switches, it has a selector switch. don't know ah. maybe the gearhedz could fill you in.


uhmmmm. mahal din po ang PRS. lol. and what on off switches are you talking about? those things aren't found on gibsons ususally. i think it was either the fender jazzmasters or the jaguars that had that thing. pickup selectors din ang halos lahat non. epiphones which are also made by gibson are actually cheaper than most paul reed smiths. yun na lang. yung 335 copies nila are around 27.000 pesos only. the gibsons versions never go below $1000.

[Jæb]

Originally posted by rokker
there's a cheap alternative to les pauls
how about grecos?

[K_r_a_m]

OTEP R,

Marunong akong mag-gitara. Ikaw ba marunong?:) Bat ka andito sa thread na ito? hehehe


:bookworm2:

[wpg]

oh that's right!~ sorry for the misinfo...la lang pala siyang soundholes...sorry again!

[cho_ree]

I got myself a Les Paul model of Epiphone, Classic ang dating...

[rave]

Whoops, I oughta get the fool who told me that Gibsons are hollow. :laugh:

[marloni]

some gibsons are 'semi-hollow', like BB kings lucille and Claptons ES-335. they're used mostly for blues, jazz, fusion. But more popular ofcourse are the solid bodied lespauls, SG's..

[LemonTea]

it depends sa gusto mong sound eh, ako naman i like both, sa fender, given the chance makaipon jaguar sana, sa gibson, sg naman. sarap mangarap!

[rokker]

Originally posted by c0g



uhmmmm. mahal din po ang PRS. lol. and what on off switches are you talking about? those things aren't found on gibsons ususally. i think it was either the fender jazzmasters or the jaguars that had that thing. pickup selectors din ang halos lahat non. epiphones which are also made by gibson are actually cheaper than most paul reed smiths. yun na lang. yung 335 copies nila are around 27.000 pesos only. the gibsons versions never go below $1000.

i didn't say gibsons don't have selector switches. i just said PRS has them.

compared to the les paul models, PRS is cheaper, i think...

[extreme16199]

Originally posted by rokker


i didn't say gibsons don't have selector switches. i just said PRS has them.

compared to the les paul models, PRS is cheaper, i think...

actually, prs guitars are the in the same price range (or even more expensive) than gibsons.

[marloni]

the cheapest PRS i could find when i visited a store in washington was 1200 dollars brand new.

[c0g]

Originally posted by extreme16199


actually, prs guitars are the in the same price range (or even more expensive) than gibsons.

actually they're just as expensive. the cheapest ones are the new santana models which don't have the prs name on them. the cheapest ones go for aroud 700 going all the way up to around 2000 i think.

[extreme16199]

Originally posted by c0g


actually they're just as expensive. the cheapest ones are the new santana models which don't have the prs name on them. the cheapest ones go for aroud 700 going all the way up to around 2000 i think.

yep, i agree with you, and that's exactly what i was saying. i wouldn't even consider the santana guitar a real prs since it's made in korea. it would probably be better to compare that to an epiphone. on the other hand, as you mentioned, the prices of the prs's start from the low to mid usd1,000's going up to around usd4,000 (or is that usd6k, i forgot) for the prs santana model. that's a lot of $$$.

consider the additional factor that gibson's discounting scheme is much larger than that of prs. the srp of the guitars are not an entirely accurate basis of their street price.

my bottom line is saying that prs guitars are cheaper than gibsons is entirely inaccurate.

[marloni]

the real santana model costs 4000 dollars. some prs's even reach 6000 dollars coz of all the cosmetic $hit...

[etoile69]

My favorite guitar is Brian May's selfmade one. What a rich thick sound.

[rokker]

oh really? all this time i was under the impression that PRS guitars are cheaper... hehehe. my bad.

the santana guitar really looks nice, noh?

[jkd]

I'd like to help by presenting a few technical specs:

Gibson Les Paul: 24.75 inch scale length (distance from nut to saddle), mahogany neck and body, glued-in neck.

Fender Strat: 25.5 inch scale length, alder, poplar, ash body, maple neck, 4-bolt neck-joint

The Les Paul sounds fatter a lot because of the fact that it's made of mahogany. It also has a slinkier feel to the strings, greatly easing bends, due to the shorter scale length, therefore having much lesser string tension than a Strat. This hardware steup makes the Les Paul sound warmer and fatter.

Consequently, the Strat, having more string tension, sounds more percussive and brighter.

Of course, humbuckers on the Les Paul and single-coils on the Strat also add to the general sound these two guitars have.

So generally, the Les Paul is big and warm given its physical attributes. You're kinda trapped with its sound but you can barely go wrong with it if you're a good player. It almost always sounds great through a good amp.

The Strat is lighter because of the huge cavity for the trem bridge and springs and makes the guitar sound thinner, making it great for clean rhythm or sharp clear solos. Strats give a little more space for a personal sound, if you have the chops.

Strats are less forgiving with beginners because it sounds cleaner. Your mistakes will also be clearly heard, especially with a maple fingerboard. The Les Paul's fat sound kinda mushes the sound a bit, helping to cover little mistakes.

Of course, some players have bum fingers and sound bad whatever guitar they use. "The finest instrument can't help you play better."

I can't think not having both. But given that I like cleaner guitar sounds, if forced to have just one, I'll go with a Strat. It was my first guitar.

[extreme16199]

Originally posted by jkd
Gibson Les Paul: 24.97 inch scale length (distance from nut to saddle), mahogany neck and body, glued-in neck.


gibson guitars actually have a 24.75 inch scale length. this detail aside, your presentation of the differences between gibsons and fenders are spot on.

regards.

[GaiNaX_mEmO]

ako first electric guitar ko rin ay fender strat.its sounds good too. but im planning to get an gibson sg. nagagalit nga tatay ko kse ang dami ko ng gitara. ayy buhay! :evilgrin:

[jkd]

extreme....

ooops!! typo error. Yes, thanks for correcting. It is 24.75". I've edited it na anyway.

Now I want a Telecaster! If I get the extra money, I'll get another Telecaster and rig it with double-coils like Jeff Beck!

[marloni]

Originally posted by rokker
the santana guitar really looks nice, noh?

I find the butt santana model way too big hehe. i prefer the mcarty shape...

[rokker]

ok. i take back what i said about PRS being a cheaper alternative to gibsons. i'll just say it's an alternative. and based from the artists that represent PRS, it sounds pretty good.