How difficult (easy) is the U.P. LAE?

[livid]

Any pointers on how to make it to the UP College of Law? I heard the entrance exam isn't really that hard. Madalas daw magka-problema sa panel interview. Pag hindi ka raw natipuhan ng panelists, sorry na lang....

[sedfrey]

Hi!

Actually, the LAE was held around November of 2001. Weren't you able to take it?

The LAE isn't very difficult. But when the most brilliant students in the Philippines (around 6000 of them) compete for 250 slots, that makes the whole thing a lot more challenging. For example, a score of, say, 85, may be okay, but if 250 other people scored higher than 85, then you're in trouble.

As for the panel interview, I think everyone has an equal chance.

[livid]

Hi sedfrey! Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll take the LAE this coming year.

[Manang_M]

this might be a little off-topic... pero sana may sumagot. i'm just curious.

saang law school ba mas mahirap ma-admit, Ateneo or UP?

[sedfrey]

Originally posted by Manang_M
this might be a little off-topic... pero sana may sumagot. i'm just curious.

saang law school ba mas mahirap ma-admit, Ateneo or UP?

Definitely UP. 6000 people take the LAE, 1000 people take the Ateneo exam. UP takes the top 165 only (after interviews), Ateneo takes in around 275. In Ateneo, there's also a wait-list (for those who got slots but chose not to enroll), in UP, wala. I was lucky to be admitted in both schools.

[chersy]

My friend and I took the UP LAE last November. The test wasn't as horrible as I expected it to be--people were telling me it's an aptitude exam and it's mostly basic stuff any college student should know. It's mostly reasoning, be it abstract, logical, etc.

Even if the exam was quite okay (I wasn't in a bad mood when I got out, as opposed to what my brother was expecting), it's super tough to get in. I'm sure I was up against all the top students of various schools who were major tense and pressured to get in. I'm really just wondering now if I'll get in or not! :unhappy:

[ricey]

chersy,

don't worry, I'm sure you'll pass the LAE with flying colors. I took it last year and I didn't find it difficult at all. Of course, trouble came in during the interview but that was half-expected. Anyways, I took it as an escape route just in case I don't get in Ateneo.

I am now in Ateneo and I will be glad to answer any more questions, for both schools actually, as I have friends who went to UP and also know a couple of professors who teach in both schools.

[alj]

Originally posted by ricey
chersy,

don't worry, I'm sure you'll pass the LAE with flying colors. I took it last year and I didn't find it difficult at all. Of course, trouble came in during the interview but that was half-expected. Anyways, I took it as an escape route just in case I don't get in Ateneo.

I am now in Ateneo and I will be glad to answer any more questions, for both schools actually, as I have friends who went to UP and also know a couple of professors who teach in both schools.

Be honest. Pumasa ka ba sa UP Law? Kasi from what I gathered, bagsakan ng hindi pumasa sa UP Law ang Ateneo Law. Walang pikonan ha. I'm just curious kasi about this issue dahil I also would be applying to both LAW schools after my undergraduate here in MSU.

Anyways, I have already 4 cousins who are members of the Integrated Bar of the Philippines and all of them have gone to Ateneo Law. In fact, the other one is 9th placer. But, the issue here is, lahat sila nag Ateneo kasi hindi sila pumasa sa UP Law. If you will ask them, which is a better Law School between teh 2, they'll always tell me "it's up to the student!". But, until now, they keep on telling me to go for a UP Law. Honestly, my bias sila sa UP Law kasi nga hindi sila tinangap doon.

For me, parang napaka strong ng binitawan mong salita when you said you took the LAE in case you don't make it in Ateneo. But then, you are entitled to your own opinion or maybe lies.

[Shaft]

hey ricey :)

[ricey]

alj,

my apologies if my words offended you in anyway. I meant no offense. Coming from Ateneo College, I surely looked forward to entering Ateneo Law and nowhere else. Essentially, I have a bias in favor of Ateneo.

I really took the UP LAE just in case I don't make it there. My parents wanted me to go to UP. I'm not hiding the fact I screwed up during the interview phase and in short, I wasn't accepted. But then again, as I said, the UP LAE as it is, is not difficult at all.

As I said, I know people who study in UP and people who also teach in UP, and I consider them good as well. In any case, go ahead with your plans of trying out both and go wherever you wanna go. God bless!

[alj]

Originally posted by ricey
alj,

my apologies if my words offended you in anyway. I meant no offense. Coming from Ateneo College, I surely looked forward to entering Ateneo Law and nowhere else. Essentially, I have a bias in favor of Ateneo.

I really took the UP LAE just in case I don't make it there. My parents wanted me to go to UP. I'm not hiding the fact I screwed up during the interview phase and in short, I wasn't accepted. But then again, as I said, the UP LAE as it is, is not difficult at all.

As I said, I know people who study in UP and people who also teach in UP, and I consider them good as well. In any case, go ahead with your plans of trying out both and go wherever you wanna go. God bless!

Oks lang yon. Curios lang talaga ako. Since you have reached at the interview level, pwedeng pang magtanong? 1. What are the questions they asked you about? 2. What made you say you screwed up in your interview? 3. Why are people keep on telling us that the interview is more difficult? 4. Are the panel bias against those who are not from UP undergrad? Please share some insights. Thank you.


Happy New Year!!!

[ricey]

okay, here are some interview tips that might be of some help.
the questions being asked were varied. i'm almost tempted to say it's a matter of pure luck, really. In my opinion, yes, the interview is really more difficult as it puts you literally at the mercy of the panelists (there are 4-5 of them usually).

They are biased against Ateneo grads, in general but that doesn't mean they don't let Ateneans in. Sometimes it's just another excuse for them to make the interview harder for you. But as I've said, luck plays a big part. I have a lot of friends who got accepted and went to UP. One of them just talked about basketball and nothing else with the panel and he got in.

Some questions asked were: (not necessarily mine, coupled with other people's experiences, among others)
1) Why enter law school? or Why UP?
2) If accepted to both Ateneo and UP, which would you prefer?
3) What would you like to talk about? (one of the most common)
4) Why did you take up [whatever is your undergrad course]?
5) What was the last book you read?
6) What are your career plans?
7) What kind of lawyer would you want to be?
8) (Seeing the address of the student) Why would you bother going to UP? Why don't you waste your parents' money somewhere else? -(The student lives in Ayala, Alabang)

I already made comments to someone who exerts some sort of influence in UP. I'm hoping they change the way they intimidate students next year. Intimidation is okay, but not when you eat cookies and drink coffee in front of the interviewee, and pretend that no one is hearing what he/she is saying, and then make an unfair remark later on. Basically, that's how my experience went, although others went through worse. Similarly, others had it more easy. I was interviewed for around 20 minutes. Some had it for 5 minutes.

As a general tip, be self-confident and keep your cool in face of the attacks. =) Don't look too scared but don't appear too cocky either. Good luck!

[alj]

Originally posted by ricey
okay, here are some interview tips that might be of some help.
the questions being asked were varied. i'm almost tempted to say it's a matter of pure luck, really. In my opinion, yes, the interview is really more difficult as it puts you literally at the mercy of the panelists (there are 4-5 of them usually).

They are biased against Ateneo grads, in general but that doesn't mean they don't let Ateneans in. Sometimes it's just another excuse for them to make the interview harder for you. But as I've said, luck plays a big part. I have a lot of friends who got accepted and went to UP. One of them just talked about basketball and nothing else with the panel and he got in.

Some questions asked were: (not necessarily mine, coupled with other people's experiences, among others)
1) Why enter law school? or Why UP?
2) If accepted to both Ateneo and UP, which would you prefer?
3) What would you like to talk about? (one of the most common)
4) Why did you take up [whatever is your undergrad course]?
5) What was the last book you read?
6) What are your career plans?
7) What kind of lawyer would you want to be?
8) (Seeing the address of the student) Why would you bother going to UP? Why don't you waste your parents' money somewhere else? -(The student lives in Ayala, Alabang)

I already made comments to someone who exerts some sort of influence in UP. I'm hoping they change the way they intimidate students next year. Intimidation is okay, but not when you eat cookies and drink coffee in front of the interviewee, and pretend that no one is hearing what he/she is saying, and then make an unfair remark later on. Basically, that's how my experience went, although others went through worse. Similarly, others had it more easy. I was interviewed for around 20 minutes. Some had it for 5 minutes.

As a general tip, be self-confident and keep your cool in face of the attacks. =) Don't look too scared but don't appear too cocky either. Good luck!

Thanks a lot. Very informative indeed. I'll remember those points. Happy New year!

[chersy]

Thanks, thanks for all the information and support! :redsmile: Sometimes, I can't imagine I took the exam--it seemed like a blip in my course of life. I haven't really told anyone because I think a lot of people I know would pressure me to get in. When I told my Business Law teacher I was going to take the LAE (he's a UP Law grad, but he's a true-blue Atenean), he didn't really wish me luck, but he said that my parents must really love me to make me enter law--and that it's not for the faint of heart. :unhappy:

I'm just curious, what's the degree you get when you graduate from UP and Ateneo? A friend told me you get different degrees when you graduate from each law school. I'm not sure if that's true. Thanks again!

[ricey]

chersy,

yes you're right. Ateneo since 1991 has conferred the Juris Doctor (JD) degree while UP confers the Bachelor of Laws (LLB) degree.

Prior to the 1960s, the LLB is the primary law degree. This was changed afterwards in the United States since lawyers found it objectionable that other professionals such as optometrists, podiatrists, etc. earned a doctorate after 3-4 years of professional study while they only earned a Bachelor of Laws (LLB). American law schools changed the name of the degree to the J.D. or Juris Doctorate. Along with this came the prerequisite of having finished a BA/BS degree before admittance to the study of law.

The JD degree is mainly an American creation. European law schools still confer the LLB degree.

But the real "doctorate" degree in law remains to be the J.S.D or the Doctor of Juridical Science degree.

Here in the Philippines, the difference is mainly found on the curriculum. The Ateneo JD degree requires the completion of a JD thesis before graduation, and also requires the student to finish elective subjects equivalent to a specified number of units for one's own intended area of specialization or interest. This is along with the usual bar review subjects offered during the senior year. To date, Ateneo is the only law school in the Philippines that confers the JD degree.

The LLB degree does not require a thesis and has less options for electives.

You can inquire more about UP's curriculum by taking a look at its website http://www.uplaw.ph. For Ateneo, take a look at http://law.ateneo.edu

Or you can ask people around. I can only speak for Ateneo since I am a student there. But insofar as UP is concerned, I can ask around for you, or better still, you can find ways for yourself. =)

Good luck and God bless! Happy New Year.

[livid]

Originally posted by ricey
okay, here are some interview tips that might be of some help.
the questions being asked were varied. i'm almost tempted to say it's a matter of pure luck, really. In my opinion, yes, the interview is really more difficult as it puts you literally at the mercy of the panelists (there are 4-5 of them usually)...
Hi ricey! Thanks for the big help! :)

[eponine07]

hi!

for starters, i suggest you practice with the princeton LSAT reviewer. it's more difficult than the LAE but at least it can help you deal with time pressure and answering the logic/reasoning questions.

as for the interview, just relax; the profs will seem intimidating but it's just their way of testing you if you won't crack under pressure. mostly they'll ask you about your undergrad degree, why you took that up as a prelaw course, why they should accept you, etc. they look at the form that you fill out before you enter the room for the interview.

FYI...most of my classmates there were either from UP or ateneo. i had a classmate from MSU, and another from DLSU. the batch after me had several graduates from foreign schools.

good luck. :)






:blossom:

[Chartreuse]

The exam itself is not difficult. It's mostly language, logic and reasoning so you really don't have to prepare at all. But if the question was: Is it difficult to enter UP Law?, then the answer would be yes. UP does not have a wait list, and you can't get in on connections alone. If you do not pass the exam and the interview, UP will not accept you even if not all those qualified to enroll actually enrolled. In other law schools like San Beda and Ateneo, you can be accepted even after failing the entrance exam.

In our class in UP, all those who also took the Ateneo test passed. In my friend's block in Ateneo law, only a handful passed LAE while only one actually made it past the interview. I guess that shows you which school is more difficult to enter.

[alj]

Originally posted by Chartreuse
The exam itself is not difficult. It's mostly language, logic and reasoning so you really don't have to prepare at all. But if the question was: Is it difficult to enter UP Law?, then the answer would be yes. UP does not have a wait list, and you can't get in on connections alone. If you do not pass the exam and the interview, UP will not accept you even if not all those qualified to enroll actually enrolled. In other law schools like San Beda and Ateneo, you can be accepted even after failing the entrance exam.

In our class in UP, all those who also took the Ateneo test passed. In my friend's block in Ateneo law, only a handful passed LAE while only one actually made it past the interview. I guess that shows you which school is more difficult to enter.
Wow! Kinikilabutan ako sa mga sinasabi mo. Hindi dahil ayokong maniwala ba't dahil ganyan pala kahigpit pumasok sa UP Law. Grabe, hirap naman pala. Now I know why sought after ka pag UP law graduate ka.

[alj]

Tanong lang sa mga nag UP Law. May mga somebody ba sa College ninyo? Example anak ni ganito o apo ni ganyan. Magagaling ba lahat ng nakakapasok sa College ninyo? How many percentage ang nakakapasok na graduate from other schools (hindi taga UP)? How many from Ateneo, La Salle o UST na nakakapasok at nag enroll?

Thanks.

[mac_bolan00]

Originally posted by ricey

Some questions asked were: (not necessarily mine, coupled with other people's experiences, among others)
1) Why enter law school? or Why UP?
2) If accepted to both Ateneo and UP, which would you prefer?
3) What would you like to talk about? (one of the most common)
4) Why did you take up [whatever is your undergrad course]?
5) What was the last book you read?
6) What are your career plans?
7) What kind of lawyer would you want to be?
8) (Seeing the address of the student) Why would you bother going to UP? Why don't you waste your parents' money somewhere else? -(The student lives in Ayala, Alabang)

these questions don't prove any biases against ateneo, do they? my brother finished ab econ at ateneo and got his llb from up.

the fact that the interiviewee is well-off and studied in ateneo is conspicuous and sure to draw questions. the thing is, NEARLY ALL QUESTIONS ARE BRUTAL.

one friend of mine, an ab english grad from up, was heckled for more than 20 minutes bcause of his poor grades during undergrad:

interviewer 1: "hey look, he got a 5.0 in math 11!!! (boisterious laughter from all 3)

interviewer 2: "hey, there's another 5.0; in nat sci this time!!! (more laughter)

interviewer 3: "whoa! an english major who got a 4.0 in english !!?!?! (this time, uncontrollable guffaws).

my friend wasn't so much worried about getting rejected as he was for the interviewers: they all looked like they were having heart attacks from all that laughing.

call that sanity?

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by mac_bolan00
the fact that the interiviewee is well-off and studied in ateneo is conspicuous and sure to draw questions. the thing is, NEARLY ALL QUESTIONS ARE BRUTAL.
Well... one thing, though.

I wouldn't psych out the interviewees because it might depend on the day (or time of day?).

I went in, said I was from the Ateneo, and went back out about five minutes later. It might've helped that I said I was teaching and so they mainly just asked about what I was doing.

Everyone with me on that day finished in roughly five minutes, too.

Of course, one of my classmates was telling me this morning that she just answered back at her interviewee and told him to stop putting words in her mouth. She talked about some of the same things I did, and the guy asked her if she was a communist.

[Tessaria]

Shucks.

I heard stories about the panel being dang near rude. I guess that's part of being intimidating.

Thanks for the tips re: the questions in the interview. Since Im still waiting for the results, Im praying that I even get to the part where Im called for an interview. The wait is killing me.

[Tessaria]

Whoops.

Double post. Sorry.

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by Tessaria
I heard stories about the panel being dang near rude. I guess that's part of being intimidating.
Legend has it that it has something to do with the mix of the panel on your day.

Put it this way... every teacher in the UP college of law is intimidating anyway. When they intimidate you, they're trying to test your resolve, if anything. In some strange way, how long you can keep smiling and deflecting their comments with humor and/or grace is supposed to indicate how you can stand up to the pressure of the workload for law school and what comes after.

While waiting, though, the law student assigned to babysit you in the waiting area will probably give you a list of "nice" and "never nice" professors, though you may not be able to remember all the names.

Of course, the list is probably not for public consumption, but any UP law student should be able to give it to you... ;)

[ricey]

chartreuse, in our class in ateneo law, we have a handful of people who got past the interview stage in UP and still opted to go to Ateneo.

bottomline is, the choice which school to go to is really a matter of choice for the applicant. both schools are very good, and one can attest to that using the reputation factor, among others. you can evaluate which school to go to by using several criteria, including but not limited to these:

1) environment (physical)
2) teaching quality/education in general
3) workload
4) friends
5) parents/family
6) financial aspect
7) school reputation
8) school culture
9) bar passing rate

so livid and chersy, i wish you both and all other law school hopefuls the best in the admissions game. =) God bless!

[alj]

Originally posted by ricey
chartreuse, in our class in ateneo law, we have a handful of people who got past the interview stage in UP and still opted to go to Ateneo.

bottomline is, the choice which school to go to is really a matter of choice for the applicant. both schools are very good, and one can attest to that using the reputation factor, among others. you can evaluate which school to go to by using several criteria, including but not limited to these:

1) environment (physical)
2) teaching quality/education in general
3) workload
4) friends
5) parents/family
6) financial aspect
7) school reputation
8) school culture
9) bar passing rate

so livid and chersy, i wish you both and all other law school hopefuls the best in the admissions game. =) God bless!

well... but have you counted those who were rejected? In what ratio are them to those who were admitted at the UP Law and yet opted to enroll in Ateneo.

Admit it. Ateneo Law is just a second choice to the UP Law for those bright lawyer aspirants. no offense meant.

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by alj
Admit it. Ateneo Law is just a second choice to the UP Law for those bright lawyer aspirants. no offense meant.
This would be a good time to pull out the list of legal luminaries who didn't come from UP or Ateneo...

Anyway, Ricey, I'm surprised you included bar passing rate as a decision factor. It comes down to either a 100% or 0% passing rate when you take it. :)

School culture distinguished from school reputation is new. What differences do you think are relevant here?

[ricey]

oscar, the bar passing rate i was referring to would be the school passing rate, not the individual's. obviously, it's either you pass it or you don't. but taking into consideration the school passing rate would be helpful in ascertaining whether or not there's a good chance you can include yourself as one of the passers, and if its a nice percentage, certainly, the odds are in your favor.

school culture refers to the culture inside the school. how's life like in ateneo law? in up law? in san beda law? because happy students are productive students. you can't spend four years of your life being miserable in school. although it's not a far fetched possibility. school reputation, on the other hand, deals with how outsiders think of the school. i mean, if that's a factor to you, then by all means, use that as a factor. if it's not, then ditch it.
it wasn't for me personally, by the way.

alj, that's a case of hasty generalization. if that's your opinion, that is perfectly fine with me. but certainly, asking me to agree with you is treading beyond your limits. no offense taken but in this aspect, i rest my case.

[Lek-Lek]

Originally posted by alj

Admit it. Ateneo Law is just a second choice to the UP Law for those bright lawyer aspirants. no offense meant.

You're right. But if you would ask people why they opted going to UP, a lot of them say that once you're in, the College of Law takes good care of you, and sees to it that you graduate. I for one thing know so many LM students of the Ateneo who are hoping to get into UP 'coz that would mean not having to deal with the very high mortality rate in Rockwell--maybe you haven't heard of who Fr. Joaquin Bernas, SJ is. As for me, I realized that the study and practice of Law isn't what I exactly want--however, two years ago, when I still was considering a legal education, my topmost criterion was whether a school takes care of its students, in terms of mortality and retention rates--and it just so happened that in Rockwell's case, it is indeed easier to get in, compared to Malcom Hall, however, it also very easy to be kicked out.

[alj]

Originally posted by Lek-Lek


You're right. But if you would ask people why they opted going to UP, a lot of them say that once you're in, the College of Law takes good care of you, and sees to it that you graduate. I for one thing know so many LM students of the Ateneo who are hoping to get into UP 'coz that would mean not having to deal with the very high mortality rate in Rockwell--maybe you haven't heard of who Fr. Joaquin Bernas, SJ is. As for me, I realized that the study and practice of Law isn't what I exactly want--however, two years ago, when I still was considering a legal education, my topmost criterion was whether a school takes care of its students, in terms of mortality and retention rates--and it just so happened that in Rockwell's case, it is indeed easier to get in, compared to Malcom Hall, however, it also very easy to be kicked out.
Who says the UP Law does not throw out its rotten apples? It does! As a mater of fact, only about 100 to 110 do graduate out of the original 160 freshmen.

I see your point clearly, but given the 400 freshmen Law students at the Ateneo, they would rather come out the school that kicks out more not so competitive students.
One question to ponder, if you have sellected the best students to comprise your class, would you still anticipate more kick outs from that class? I don't think so. Just my two cents.

Lek-lek, I see you as a lawyer wanna be (same with me). I really wish you luck and hope to be together in one class at the UP College of Law.

Happy New Year!

[mac_bolan00]

i also got reactions from UP law teachers regarding attrition in various law schools. UP colleges like law, medicine, egineering and BA tend to limit kickouts excepts for those who managed to sneak past the selection process but are clearly not cut-out for the program.

it all depends on school policy: lax admission but tough delinquency policies or the other way round.

ps: i never really wanted to study law; never took any entrance exams. our house is filled to the rafters with lawyers. my frustration is becoming a doctor of medicine.

;)

[sedfrey]

altwegg, you were right. you do better in law school than you think. i got into the dean's list last sem. :)

[Chartreuse]

Here are some figures that I'm quite sure of...

During our orientation in the UP College of Law, the College Sec mentioned that out of the 160+ qualified to enroll, about 150 actually enrolled in UP. So that means that there are only less than 20 students who made it in UP but chose to go to another law school (or chose not to take up law at all).

alj, in our block I'm the lone graduate from DLSU. About 25 are from UP, 10 from Ateneo and the remainder is a mix of other colleges. However, these figures do not mean that the college prefers to accept UP grads.

[Shaft]

Originally posted by mac_bolan00
i also got reactions from UP law teachers regarding attrition in various law schools. UP colleges like law, medicine, egineering and BA tend to limit kickouts excepts for those who managed to sneak past the selection process but are clearly not cut-out for the program.

it all depends on school policy: lax admission but tough delinquency policies or the other way round.



I think one reason UP tends to limit kickouts is that students, including law students, are given subsidized education. Why would they want to kickout students when they are paying for their education in the first place? Except as mac said they are clearly not cut-out for the program.

I think that some other reasons that people choose UP is that, relative to Ateneo, they are more secure. Another is that the tuition is less expensive.

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by ricey
school culture refers to the culture inside the school. how's life like in ateneo law? in up law? in san beda law? because happy students are productive students. you can't spend four years of your life being miserable in school. although it's not a far fetched possibility. school reputation, on the other hand, deals with how outsiders think of the school. i mean, if that's a factor to you, then by all means, use that as a factor. if it's not, then ditch it.
it wasn't for me personally, by the way.
I think I would prefer your culture indicator to the bar passing rate, since you do a lot of the studying on your own, anyway. :)

Anyway, what I meant was I'm still not sure how to put a finger on how the culture is really different from law school to law school. I mean, sure I think I could say how life here is different from life over there in Rockwell, but I don't know how to do it with respect to every other law school.

Incidentally, the other Ateneans here in UP would probably cite tuition as a good reason for choosing UP after passing both entrance exams. :)

[eponine07]

Originally posted by Oscar01

I think I would prefer your culture indicator to the bar passing rate, since you do a lot of the studying on your own, anyway. :)

Anyway, what I meant was I'm still not sure how to put a finger on how the culture is really different from law school to law school. I mean, sure I think I could say how life here is different from life over there in Rockwell, but I don't know how to do it with respect to every other law school.

Incidentally, the other Ateneans here in UP would probably cite tuition as a good reason for choosing UP after passing both entrance exams. :)

oscar01,

i can give you a pretty good picture of how life is in law schools other than in diliman and rockwell. :D

for one thing, while it may be easier to get into or transfer to these law schools, it's not easy to be a regular student. most of my contemporaries when i was a freshman are still now taking third year subjects, while i'm already in my last semester (hopefully). students of university belt schools feel that they have a lot more to prove in terms of academics. on the other hand, we don't live in a world where there's cutthroat competition, like what i experienced in diliman. the only competition you have is yourself.



:blossom:

[kublais]

Originally posted by eponine07


oscar01,

i can give you a pretty good picture of how life is in law schools other than in diliman and rockwell. :D

for one thing, while it may be easier to get into or transfer to these law schools, it's not easy to be a regular student. most of my contemporaries when i was a freshman are still now taking third year subjects, while i'm already in my last semester (hopefully). students of university belt schools feel that they have a lot more to prove in terms of academics. on the other hand, we don't live in a world where there's cutthroat competition, like what i experienced in diliman. the only competition you have is yourself.



:blossom:

Good points raised. However, to assess as being an "excellent" school, tough competition among classmates must exist. I hope you get what I mean.

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by eponine07
on the other hand, we don't live in a world where there's cutthroat competition, like what i experienced in diliman. the only competition you have is yourself.
I agree very much with the last sentence (which is why bar percentages seem irrelevant to me), but I must admit that I've never perceived "cutthroat competition" here in Diliman. :)

If I can make sure that no professor is reading this, I might even admit that we all just conspire against them anyway...

But like I was asking Ricey... how do you define culture (and please, in terms other than workload and pressures!)?

[tryx]

question: what do they usually do during panel interviews???? (aside from the fact that they are interviewing...) is it that horrible?:(

[livid]

When are the LAE reults coming out?

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by tryx
question: what do they usually do during panel interviews???? (aside from the fact that they are interviewing...) is it that horrible?:(
Look... imagine an interrogation from one of those cop movies or old war movies. That should approximate it, except you are allowed to talk back.

The usual... you can bait back but don't shout, don't appear arrogant, don't lose your cool, and try to keep smiling or at least keep an even expression. Content isn't the real issue, it's more of poise and personality.

In short, imagine you're facing off against the courtroom nightmare of your choice (say, you're debating Davide in the Supreme Court), and you have to look good and not flip-flop or melt into the floor.

We have it daily anyway, except they only terrorize you one at a time.

The LAE results... well, wait. I remember I got my interview schedule in May, and that was the FIRST batch.

In the meantime, I recommend you get all your documents, especially your transcript and certificate of graduation. Ateneo's registrar was SO slow with these documents that the UP Law Secretary's staff already knows to be lenient with Ateneo grads. In fact, I walked into the interview and presented the medal I got in graduation because I didn't have anything else to prove that I finished my degree.

The transcript only came out well after my first week in UP.

[Leif_Erikson]

Pare, ano year mo na sa UP Law? Do you have a frat as of yet?

Well, do you want to study reality martial arts? I think despite the busy scheds you guys have at law school, you can have the time to train in authentic, traditional Filipino martial arts in the morning before going to school and attending classes...or maybe you can train with Brandon96 at night, after classes. It's good to have some exercise while studying law, pare...so that you won't end up like Prof. Sison or Prof. Baltic!:)

See this site at www.pekiti-tirsia.net and also www.cecm.sfu.ca/~loki/Kali and PM me for reactions. I'm doing this as a favor for him.:)

[scroll]

when ba talga lalabas result ng LAE?!?!?!?!?

pathetic naman kse eh... di computerized pag check!!! no wonder it's taking them forever to come up with the final list... other than the checking, they have to average the LAE grade with the GPA pa!!!

btw... i heard mas difficult daw entrance ng ateneo than the LAE?!?! but then, easier to get in ateneo daw...

how long ba before ateneo releases the result?!?! like if the exam is on march 2, more or less when *** results out?!?! kulit ko ba?!?! i just need to know coz i might be wasting my time taking all these entrance exams then end up nowhere!!!! baka naman im relying on my chances of getting into either ateneo or up too much tapos in the end no job din (need i say that i've been a bum for more than 5 months now?! no decent company will employ me after 8 months of bumhood!!) :D

[KeyserSoze]

February 20 na raw ang labas.

One hard question that was asked daw:

If asked to make a choice, would you choose what is moral or what is legal?

[sedfrey]

ateneo exam results will come out may 15 daw.

[livid]

O, bakit palayo nang palayo ang labas ng exam results? Sabi nung friend kong nag-exam eh last week of Feb daw ang sabi sa kanila?

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Originally posted by livid
O, bakit palayo nang palayo ang labas ng exam results? Sabi nung friend kong nag-exam eh last week of Feb daw ang sabi sa kanila?

feb 20- UP LAE results

may 15- Ateneo results

:D :D :D

[Leif_Erikson]

Have you really made sure that you want to go to law school, scroll? If so, then go ahead and don't mind the companies. If you're still tentative, then just get a job and if you pass law school admissions, then enroll as an evening student (in UP) or take evening classes at the Ateneo!

Do you know what you're getting into?

[longshot_21]

will the LAE results be posted sa malcolm hall? will they inform you through letters or do you have to go there pa?

[scroll]

Originally posted by Leif_Erikson
Have you really made sure that you want to go to law school, scroll? If so, then go ahead and don't mind the companies. If you're still tentative, then just get a job and if you pass law school admissions, then enroll as an evening student (in UP) or take evening classes at the Ateneo!

Do you know what you're getting into?

of course!!! i wouldn't waste my time going through the exams and paying 1900 for appliaction if i'm not sure!!

i have my reasons for wanting to go to law school... numerous reasons ranging from trivial to serious... like i don't like to get stuck in the corporate world with only my bachelor's degree on hand... and i rather enjoy the challenges that law school will eventually present to me...;)

evening class?!? i don't think so... i don't think i can handle the pressure... just seeing my sister studying her butt off for an exam is reason enough for me to be convinced that i cannot pull off law school and work... and besides, i have my parents to support me...:D

[uptowngirl]

You can see the results in LAE Results (http://law.upd.edu.ph/lae.htm).

Congrats to all the passers! :redgrin:

[lasingson]

question lang - nag-apply na ako sa up and ateneo law for next school year. i'm graduating from undergrad this sem. pero my problem is 9 units lang ang english ko (comm I, comm 2, comm 3) while ang requirement sa law school is 12 for up and i think more sa ateneo. pwede ko ba i-take yung english WHILE taking law? or pwede ko ba i-summer before i go into law? thanks

[livid]

Originally posted by uptowngirl
You can see the results in LAE Results (http://law.upd.edu.ph/lae.htm).

Congrats to all the passers! :redgrin:

Wow. My friend passed the exam. :whatthe:
Sana makapasa rin siya sa interview.

[Oscar01]

question lang - nag-apply na ako sa up and ateneo law for next school year.
Hmmm... haven't been here in a while.

No one from the Ateneo who went to UP had to take extra units, but my batch is the last one that had at least 15 units of English.

Some from UP are going to take an English class this summer.

You'd better check the actual requirement, and if you can't substitute some other class for the last 3 units, and check how they treat Merit Scholars for English. If you really have to, consider taking it the summer BEFORE entering law school, though you probably won't get the results by March.

Get it out of the way because you're going to feel very odd taking an undergrad class again after a year in law school. :)

I think I found out that I was accepted towards the end of April, and I think I was in the first 30 or so people whose names got posted.

[fredda]

tip to those who wanna pass the LAE: based on my experiences takin the LAE this 2007

how difficult is it? - for the normal person like me who has average IQ, it's extremely difficult. the logical analysis questions floored me. I was sweating the whole time~~~ there were also business math questions but should be easy esp. when you remember basic algebra.

if you're very good in English, you will find it easy. My theory is that I must have gotten a good score in those English-related questions kaya ako pumasa.I'm sure palpak ako sa ibang sections

(my grades in college were pretty bad by the way. I barely even passed my course. The person from UP told us during the interview orientation that in choosing those who will qualify for the interview, the basis was both the college grades and LAE written exam)


what happens during the interview?
The interviewer asked me" tell me something about yourself that's not on this paper" (which I filled up earlier, asking about my school background, determination to take up Law, etc)

I mentioned about artfilms and he asked me about it. he also asked me baka raw magbago isip ko about taking up Law kasi andami ko raw schools na pinasukan, etc. lahat naman ng Q's based sa answers mo on the paper and your answers to their questions.

There were two interviewers in the panel. in my case ***. dunno about sa iba.

amazingly, others said they've been interrogated for more than 30 minutes (as in super hirap mga tanong, like their views on political issues, etc.) sa kin naman, 5 mins ***! (and I still passed)

dont worry there are no right or wrong answers or opinions.what they're just testing is if you can think on your feet and you're articulate enough to defend your views. *^__^*