good frats?

[hormel]

i'm a a sophomore, and am still under the impression that being part of a fraternity is part of the UP experience.
(or not...basta.)

So, what's a good one to join? and how do I join? Do i just go up to them or should they approach me?

Will I die?

[mryan98a]

there are 14(ata?) frats in U.P.
think muna what it can do for you? will it be beneficial for you to join them?
kung gusto m lang daming frineds...sali ka na lang ng daming orgs...
being part of a fraternity requires great responsibility not just for yourself and your brods...but to the fraternity itselfl...there are lots of fraternity activities pre...so you better have good time managament
and most of all...good discipline...
it is unwise for you to come up to them and tell them you're interested in joining...its better to befriend mo muna yung isang member then give him hints na you're interested....or if you think you're good...they'll notice you naman and sila na mismo lalapit sayo...
choose wisely...your career depends on it..and maybe your life too :D

[mac_bolan00]

bro,

i agree that fraternities are part of the college experience, not just in UP. however, joining a frat is not a requisite. i joined a frat towards the end of my junior year. as soon as i got in, i realized that joining carried with it a heavy responsibility --too heavy for many young guys.

many of these guys discover too late that joining a frat does not turn a boy into a man. it does not provide him with personal protection. it gives him no pecuniary advantages over non-fratmen. forget all the macho crap you hear or the even crappier "high ideals" frats and other orgs in college claim. you cherish being a fratman purely for the experience it gives you. you are challenged, subjected to physical and emotional pain. you also discover that "loyalty" and "cameraderie" are two very serious concepts in life. a bit heavy for an 18 year-old, huh? i though it was back then. i still do.

and joining a frat can be dangerous. physical hazing can be life-threatening. ask any doctor what an accidental knock to the head, or several deliberate whacks behind the thighs with a 2"x5"x4' piece of wood can do. your grades can suffer if you lose focus. lastly, many fratmen (too many it seems) worship violence over much. are you prepared for that? this decision is yours to make and no one else's. if you let other people or ideas influence you, you're not cut out to be a fratman.

my two-cents' worth. sorry if i can't recommend a particular frat for you. just go around and "feel" conditions. good luck, 'bro.

[hormel]

i know what you mean, I've seen a lot of freshmen in my batch enter fraternities and many of them ended up dismissed or under probation.

that's why I've waited, and will still wait, till I know I can handle it.

So, okay lang pala kahit hindi freshman pumasok, kasi karamihan ng rinerecruit, freshmen.

anyway, given that the frat to join really depends on the person, which frats have good, solid reputations?

and have not killed neophytes during initation.

[mac_bolan00]

it's old news so i won't catch hell from my fellow fratmen:

arbel liwag died from injuries, possibly sustained from hazing as as a neophyte for the beta sigma fraternity (1983).

there was this icasiano guy who was killed in 1999 from injuries sustained as a neophyte for... i can't remember. please validate this (i don't want to name a frat since i'm not sure).

lastly, don't go to the PMA or the PNP academy. dami ding namamatay doon.

one last time. are you really sure you want to join a frat?

[KiTTY2babe]

UP Alpha Sigma Fraternity *okay*

[spindoctor]

May nakapag-kwento sa akin na isa raw sa mga pinakabugbugin sa peyups ang masig .

(Can't tell kung sino, pero AS fratboy din siya)

peace, frat bros!

[spindoctor]

Originally posted by mac_bolan00

there was this icasiano guy who was killed in 1999 from injuries sustained as a neophyte for... i can't remember. please validate this (i don't want to name a frat since i'm not sure)...

one last time. are you really sure you want to join a frat?

It was Alpha Phi Beta , mac. And the case is still pending before the Quezon City Regional Trial Court. According to reports, three of the alleged killers have left the country in (i'm not very sure about this) 1999, as the case was being promulgated.

And then in 2000, there was Niño Calinao, a Journalism major, who was shot several times in the head and body while he and his friends from the Volleyball Club were having a light moment along AS Walk. About four gunmen carried out the crime, and after almost 2 years, the case is still pending up to now.

It was alleged that a rival frat of Scintilla Juris was the brains behind the killing, and that Niño was killed because the criminals thought he was the target of the operation. (Niño resembled someone from the SJ.)

As you can see, such is the stupidity of those who like to proclaim themselves as "civilized" people. (Frats label people who are frat-less as "barbarians.") :grrr: :bash:

So hormel (unless you REALLY DO WANT to be a can of meat loaf, which is dead meat by all respects), and I quote mac_bolan00 once more, are you really sure you want to join a frat?

[tr|n|ty]

i would have to be biased, most of my guy friends and the men in my family are from Upsilon.

[mac_bolan00]

Originally posted by spindoctor
As you can see, such is the stupidity of those who like to proclaim themselves as "civilized" people. (Frats label people who are frat-less as "barbarians.") :grrr: :bash:

thanks for the quote but you have to qualify your statements with greater care. this is a serious matter. you aren't implying that all frat men are stupid and barbaric, are you? there are dozens, maybe hundreds of frats in UP that have NEVER figured in any form of violence against non-members. my frat has been around since 1972 and it NEVER figured in any rumble.

[spindoctor]

Originally posted by mac_bolan00

thanks for the quote but you have to qualify your statements with greater care. this is a serious matter. you aren't implying that all frat men are stupid and barbaric, are you? there are dozens, maybe hundreds of frats in UP that have NEVER figured in any form of violence against non-members.

Of course, of course. Against non-members, yes. but what about those from other (much more, rival) frats?

And I'm not even entertaining the idea of all frats as being stupid and barbaric. Admittedly, a number of frats and soros in UP have stood with the accord, with the Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs as witness, of non-violence.

However, it's just that still, a great majority -- no matter how benign they may seem -- harbor the illusion that being in a frat makes one all the more "civilized" when truly civilized and God-fearing people know the absurdity of beating a potential member until he almost discards his innards out just to guarantee his loyalty to the group.

All frats pride themselves as being helpful to the society. What with charity work, providing academic assistance to students who need it and medical help to poverty-stricken Filipinos. But can't they just leave it at that?

[hormel]

siyempre, hindi naman ako sususgod sa ganito ng basta basta lang, matagal na pag-iisip at pag-iisip pa ulit.

pero nabalitaan ko, may mga frat na raw na walang physical hazing, malamang front lang yun, pero it sound nice.

saka hindi naman ako sasali para sa resbak at rumble, kung puwede nga, iaws ako diyan, pero siyempre minsan din talaga mapipilitan ka. Ang habol ko sa frat yung solid na samahan saka yung values at formation, kahit paano.

example, yung homeroom teacher ko nung high school, nakita namin sa kanya ang palabra de honor at paninindigan, astig na tao siya. I found out later na frat man siya. Masig nga raw.

o yung mga matatandang fratman na nagtatrabaho na, nagtutulungan pa rin kung may naiipit.

hindi naman kasi dapat tungkol sa away yan eh.

[JaY_aRe_Dee]

Originally posted by hormel
siyempre, hindi naman ako sususgod sa ganito ng basta basta lang, matagal na pag-iisip at pag-iisip pa ulit.

pero nabalitaan ko, may mga frat na raw na walang physical hazing, malamang front lang yun, pero it sound nice.

saka hindi naman ako sasali para sa resbak at rumble, kung puwede nga, iaws ako diyan, pero siyempre minsan din talaga mapipilitan ka. Ang habol ko sa frat yung solid na samahan saka yung values at formation, kahit paano.

example, yung homeroom teacher ko nung high school, nakita namin sa kanya ang palabra de honor at paninindigan, astig na tao siya. I found out later na frat man siya. Masig nga raw.

o yung mga matatandang fratman na nagtatrabaho na, nagtutulungan pa rin kung may naiipit.

hindi naman kasi dapat tungkol sa away yan eh.

joining a frat aint all that bad... i've had experiences with a fraternity before and tho' i don't entirely approve of it, i'd have to say that it has some good points to say the least...

first and foremost, the camaraderie between the brods is astounding... fraternity is one good way to find a friend who's gonna stick with you through thick and thin... secondly, they help you with your grades... well, at least that's what i know from this certain frat, they don't allow their amuyongs or their junior members to have a grade lower than a certain number (sowee, i forgot :) )... third, it makes you responsible... there are some service fraternities which do good things and if you know how to participate in their service, you'd learn how to be responsible...

tip: if you don't let your being a fraternity member get into your head, you'll do fine... set your frat as a priority next to your studies.. keep in mind that being a brod doesn't mean you're too good or too big for anything or anybody else... you're still the same you, juss that you're now a part of a group, don't let it get the best of you!!

Goodluck :)

[bludwid]

Ano bang pagkakaiba ng pagiging miyembro ng frat at pagiging miyembro ng isang tunay na close-knit na barkadahan?

All I know is, I'm fortunate enough to have found friends who treat me as a brother and vice versa. Ewan ko lang, pero in my view the concept of fraternities is more romantic than practical, e. Kailangan ba talaga ng hazing just to prove your loyalty and responsibility? Di ba namn naturo na sa ating ng mga magulang natin yan?

I'm not saying joining a fraternity is a daft thing to do, but think about it. Ano ba kailangan mo sa isang frat na hindi mo makikita sa isang tunay na kaibigan?

[mac_bolan00]

here're some:

recognition that it's a frat; something no barkada, no matter how exclusive or elite the membership, can match.

how about the knowledge that i'm a fratman ergo, i'm not someone you'd like to f_ck around with (in PEX maybe but not in person).

or maybe since it's a frat, it's tough to join. you can wheedle your way into a barkada of your fancy with little more than a smile and a kind word.

in a barkada, no matter how close knit, your responsiblity for the others end once your home ("gee, i'd really like to help out but i've homework to do and the dishes are waiting.")
******

do these answers sound lame to you? or even stupid? if they do, it means you don't understand fraternities that much. in any case your billion-dollar question can be laid to rest.

[hormel]

precisely.

oo nga, makakahanap naman ng tight na barkada,

pero kasi iba yung frat(kahit outsider pa ako sa mundong yan.)

you're joining something older and larger than yourself.
so, dun pa lang, mabigat na siya.

at sabi ng mga fratman na nakausap ko, ang hazing, na supposedly hindi nangyayari, ay parang common bond ninyo with other members na hindi mo naabutan. parang ganun.

Bangis ba talaga bugbugan sa Alpha Sigma? Option siya so far eh.

[bludwid]

Originally posted by mac_bolan00
here're some:

recognition that it's a frat; something no barkada, no matter how exclusive or elite the membership, can match.

how about the knowledge that i'm a fratman ergo, i'm not someone you'd like to f_ck around with (in PEX maybe but not in person).

or maybe since it's a frat, it's tough to join. you can wheedle your way into a barkada of your fancy with little more than a smile and a kind word.

in a barkada, no matter how close knit, your responsiblity for the others end once your home ("gee, i'd really like to help out but i've homework to do and the dishes are waiting.")
******

do these answers sound lame to you? or even stupid? if they do, it means you don't understand fraternities that much. in any case your billion-dollar question can be laid to rest.

No, mate, you're answers are not lame nor stupid. What I wrote before was a personal opinion, so don't read into it too much.

But in addition, what I've noticed with "brothers" is that they get this false sense of security. Judging from your statement, a frat is as good as the protection you're going to get from your fellow members. Don't you think that's the reason why there are frat wars in the first place? That you tend to fall into that trap of feeling "tigas" just because you have a few dozen "resbaks"? I'm talking from experience here. Yung tipo bang sasalyahin ka na lang o tititigan ka ng masama dahil ikaw nag iisa tapos sila marami? I spent two years of my college life fighting them off and getting beaten up, and all I did was engage in conversation with a girlfriend of one of them. 'Course I didn't back down, and I think I am a stronger person because what I went through is a lot
tougher than a few days of initiations.

And no, my responsibilities towards my friends and vice versa never ended at home. Maybe that's a big factor as to why people join fraternities, that their concept of friendship never extended farther from gimmicks and gags. Tingin ko lang hindi ko tipo iyong susumbatan ka at oobligahin makipag-rumble sa mga taong wala namang atraso sa yo, lalo na kung kasalanan naman ng brad mo. I don't think I want to be pushed into that situation. I will help out, I will fight for my friends, pero within reason, and in accordance with my own set of values.

In parting, tingin ko lang, ok namn siguro mag frat, pero hindi para sa lahat, e. I think instead of hazing or initiation, mas priority ang psychological test to determine a person's eligibility. Ang daming tao dyan nagiging ugaling aso dahil may kumukunsinti, e. As if joining a frat gives them the right to inflict chaos. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I do understand the concept of fraternities, at least what they're supposed to be. What I don't understand is how our local university students managed to twist its true meaning and equate the term fraternity with thuggery and machismo, which is no different from being in a gang.

Sorry to generalize, as I know there are and will be decent institutions and brotherhoods around. I just think that people need to redefine the reason for their existence so it adapts to the present, when everybody should be concerned with the concept of equality, human rights and peace.



Peace.

[mac_bolan00]

well, you deserve a better reply than my last one. actually, most guys join a frat with all sorts of ideas in their heads and end up realizing less than 5% of those. and no, joining a frat doesn't assure one of any form of personal protection. let's just say frats exist for adventurous young men to discover. most fratmen i know are well-rounded and have, in addition to their frats, several barkadas and orgs. there's no mutual exclusivity among fraternities and barkadas, really. heck, during my senior year i was an active fratman in addition to being a varsity playa :*) , a member in a religious org :silly: , and the most visible fixture in our high school batch's tambayan in UP.

[bludwid]

Originally posted by mac_bolan00
well, you deserve a better reply than my last one. actually, most guys join a frat with all sorts of ideas in their heads and end up realizing less than 5% of those. and no, joining a frat doesn't assure one of any form of personal protection. let's just say frats exist for adventurous young men to discover. most fratmen i know are well-rounded and have, in addition to their frats, several barkadas and orgs. there's no mutual exclusivity among fraternities and barkadas, really. heck, during my senior year i was an active fratman in addition to being a varsity playa :*) , a member in a religious org :silly: , and the most visible fixture in our high school batch's tambayan in UP.

Well, here's just hoping that all the future fratmen have the same character and disposition as yourself. I do realize that per se, majority of fratmen are decent individuals with well-rounded views.

I still do think that a big factor as to why there are rotten apples in fraternities is due to their leaders' lack of standards in the screening process. Kungbaga, nawawalan na ng prinsipyo. Ewan ko lang sa UP, where fraternities are quite organized, but most institutions, including mine, are more concerned with quantity rather than the quality of their members. This means any psycho who can take a hit could get in. As far as I know, the more recruits you have, the more strategically advantaged you get in terms of manpower. I know most academic fraternities have proud histories and have codes of conduct which should be strictly followed, but being the Filipinos that we are, 'pag malakas ka, bypass yan makapasok ka lang, sasagutin ka pa raw sa palo. Yun ang dapat palitan.

Let's just hope that changes.

Peace.

[twisted_hate]

..."GOOD" Frats, huh...


Great.

Paddles in the hip and spit in a glass are a form of good now?

[just_a_girl]

Originally posted by hormel
i'm a a sophomore, and am still under the impression that being part of a fraternity is part of the UP experience.
(or not...basta.)




it's not.

pero kung sasali ka na rin lang, make it Upsilon Sigma Phi. yun nga lang, by invitation lang ata sila...