discrimination within UP walls

[angle]

why is it, every time UP is mentioned, most, if not all, automatically assume that it's UP diliman? i mean, there are other UP campuses too, like manila, los banos, etc. some UPian even look down on other UPians, if they find out, they're not from diliman. one thing i do know, not all courses offered in diliman are the best. imho, chemical engineering in los banos (palibhasa nakatira ako sa los banos :belat: )is the best there is; it has consistently been the champion in inter competitions, and has always been consistently in attaining the majority of top 10 places in the board exam. also, the 1st computer science curriculum was laid out in los banos, and unlike in diliman which is just part of the college of engineering, computer science is an established institute here. perhaps, this generalization has arisen because most of the funds go to UPd...

[lupuS]

"most of the funds go to UPd..."

Aren't most of the students also at UPd? Let's look at some comparative "spending per enrolled student" figures and we can conclude if one campus is really being favored over others.

[JaM-777]

it's the same things with other universities. Like when you say DLSU, the always think of DLSU-Manila but there are also DLSU-Dasmariñas, HSC & Benilde.

[angle]

any other UP campus is still a UP campus just like UPD, why should one be favored more than the other? population isn't a justification; it's like saying that hostages taken by muslim renegade groups should have waived their right to life, for the good of the majority. otherwise, other UP campuses shouldn't have been established, aside from UPD. now, if population is such a problem, then diverting the funds for development of other campus, can be a means of diverting the huge population too.

now you might ask what are my basis, for having my conviction of lack of funds. i'll cite a few situations:

1) the institute of computer science had their wing extended; it took ten years to have it completed, to think it's only a few rooms. the contruction is often suspended, sometimes you can only see a single carpenter working;

2) the current department of electrical engineering, looks more like a house than a building; there are only 3 classrooms, and because of the astec seminar right now, only 2 rooms are available for usage; it's not surprising that there are majoring courses held on tambayan site, even outdoors, due to the lack of rooms. hopefully, the huge future ee building will be available soon.

3) speaking of lack of classrooms, some GE courses are suspended during the 1st few weeks of the semester start, until the college could find one section a room, otherwise it will be dissolved. during my PI 100 , i remember, after being TBA for a while, was thrown to a non-existing room in biological science building!

the truth is, there are a lot of latent reasons unspoken, for the UPD's delegation of a bigger share of funds, prestige for being the true/original/central UP campus is one.

[primitiverebel]

have been in diliman as a stude, in lb and miag-ao as instructor and i can tell you the difference.

lb's strength is too focused on its strong points. naiiwan yung mga weakest links such as the social sciences and the arts. mahina, relatively, ang quality ng instructors at ng offerings dun. it's dragging lb down. ironically, you need these disciplines to be recognized as a great well-rounded university. yun ang kulang sa lb. it is too specialized. it won't get the respect it deserves as a university unless maging diversified ang excellence nýa.

i agree, now and then, may lumilitaw na magaling. kaso hindi tuloy-tuloy. kaya hindi ma-maaintain ang pagtake-off eh. siguro kung tigilan muna ang inbreeding, fear of strangers, fear of the unknown at embrace change, baka may chance.

diliman kasi has achieved diversity and has earned success, more or less, in that effort. kaya ang respect sa kanya parang all-encompassing.

visayas naman is too segmented, physically or otherwise. medyo nahihirapan sa unified forward movement. matagal pa yun bago maging nationally respected. yung fisheries program, astig. may pera kasi eh. pero yung iba, ewan ko.

wala akong firsthand knowledge sa iba.

[mac_bolan00]

our sister is the one who graduated from LB and she's the smartest among us.

[grrrrl]

Originally posted by primitiverebel
lb's strength is too focused on its strong points. naiiwan yung mga weakest links such as the social sciences and the arts. mahina, relatively, ang quality ng instructors at ng offerings dun. it's dragging lb down. ironically, you need these disciplines to be recognized as a great well-rounded university. yun ang kulang sa lb. it is too specialized. it won't get the respect it deserves as a university unless maging diversified ang excellence nýa.

diliman kasi has achieved diversity and has earned success, more or less, in that effort. kaya ang respect sa kanya parang all-encompassing.
Kanya-kanya naman ng flagship courses ang bawat UP unit. I'm sure magaling ang diliman sa communication and social science courses, ang elbi naman sa agriculture, math, and science, ang manila sa science & pre-med courses, etc... Iyun nga lang, totoo na kapag nalaman ng iba, lalo na ng mga hindi taga-UP na you come from a UP unit other than diliman, iba ang dating sa kanila. You don't get the same respect as with what diliman people get. Inferior ang tingin sa 'yo. I should know kasi I'm from UPLB and during job interviews they never fail to ask, "E ba't hindi ka nag-diliman?", sabay taas-kilay. Well nandoon 'yung gusto kong course e.

As for budget, I guess it's understandable na mas malaki ang allocated sa Diliman since mas maraming courses ang nandoon.

Anyway, sana lang all UP units get the respect they deserve.

[Pepe]

That is not always the case. When you are in Medicine and you mention UP, it is always presumed to mean UP Manila (UPM-PGH). When you say Agriculture, it means UP Los Banos. However, the others defaults to UP Diliman. Why? Because UP Diliman is the biggest (in enrollment, LB is largest in area) and offers the most number of courses.

I do not know about Chemical Engineering or the others but I can speak of the Computer Science. UPLB has the Institute of Computer Science because it has the most faculty members with PhDs... (UPD is slowly catching up). However, I am not sure if UPLB offers MSCS, though. Remember that being the first does not always mean being the best. :D [aside: I wonder why UPLB has not even thought of computerizing the entire UPLB enrolment procedure if they have the "best" Computer Science faculty there is]

[mac_bolan00]

hey wait a sec. UP's not supposed to have perimeter walls. it's a gov't policy. go to diliman and LB, halos wala. yung old campus lang sa UP-manila ang may palibot na pader.

:D

[JaY_aRe_Dee]

heehee, i can totally relate to this ;)

most of my batchmates in high school either went to UP-D or UP-M and for some unknown reason, this brought a gap into some of us...

this friend i met in college asked me before what's the deal with going to diliman and manila (coz she hears us -- people who went to my high school -- mock our schoolmates who go to manila) when they're both UP campuses... being the stubborn old me, i juss told her coz she don't go to **** so she don't understand...

well, it's been two years... now i get what she's saying... it's all the same kahit saan mang campus yan, UP pa rin yan!! :D

[pinkrose]

Well, UP Diliman IS the biggest and has the most number of students. It also offers the most number of courses. But I think all the campuses have their own strengths and weaknesses. It's long been established that LB is for agriculture, Manila for medicine, Visayas for fisheries, and Diliman for everything else. Maybe one reason other UP people look down on those not from Diliman is because SOME of those who go to the other campuses had Diliman as their first choice in the UPCAT but weren't accepted.

[MJaka]

not all courses offered in diliman are the best. imho, chemical engineering in los banos (palibhasa nakatira ako sa los banos )is the best there is; it has consistently been the champion in inter competitions, and has always been consistently in attaining the majority of top 10 places in the board exam.


Where in hell did you get that idea? I think you got the facts wrong. Let me put it this way, in UPD's ChE history, only 2 have failed in the Chem Engg Board Exams on their first take. UPD's ChE students know at the back of their minds the pressure of passing the Board Exams. Nobody wants to have the honor of becoming the third person on the Horror roll, if you know what I mean. LB, on the other hand, has definitely had more board flunkies than I care to remember. This according to a friend and batchmate who took ChE at LB.
Another case in point: in the November 2000 board exams, Diliman had, expectedly, a 100% passing rate and garnered seven out of the top ten slots. LB took one slot, 8th or 7th, I think.

I know this is a little bit off-topic. But the point is, check your facts boy! Don't just go on yapping about some foolery just to add gravy to your stance. I don't really care so much if you are from LB or Manila, Visayas, or Diliman, who cares? We're all from UP, period.

And about all those brouhaha about budget etc. You should tour the UPD ChE laboratory, maybe that would open your eyes about discrimination. It looks like a junk shop, with antiquated equipment and laughable chemical stocks. But you don't hear us screaming discrimination against the Met Engg and BS Chem departments who have those equipments and testing machines we can only dream of. Instead we just make do with what we have and concentrate on our strengths-- a pretty solid grasp of theory and mechanisms. I suggest you do the same.

[xilent_scream]

“lb's strength is too focused on its strong points. naiiwan yung mga weakest links such as the social sciences and the arts. mahina, relatively, ang quality ng instructors at ng offerings dun. it's dragging lb down. ironically, you need these disciplines to be recognized as a great well-rounded university. yun ang kulang sa lb. it is too specialized. it won't get the respect it deserves as a university unless maging diversified ang excellence nýa.”

I agree with what primitiverebel says. Some (if not most) GE courses are taken for granted by some students, partly because of the teachers’ quality of teaching. I myself can attest to this. I am a student of UPLB, and I decided to cross enroll to UPD to take up advance classes last summer. I took up KAS1 (HIST1 in UPLB) in UPD, and I found some difference with the way the course is taught. We had more film showings and our lectures were comprehensive. Maybe it’s also because my KAS1 class was a small class.

Oftentimes, when some of my classmates would learn that I am a cross enrollee, he/she would have this look in his face that I am somewhat inferior, to consider that I am a UP student.

It’s not because I was not able to reach the quota in UPD that is why I am in UPLB right now, it’s because I really wanted to go to UPLB ever since we would go to UPLB for our educational trips back in high school. Besides, my chosen undergraduate course is not available in UPD.

Every UP campus has its own unique and separate sub-culture which is somewhat incomparable to other UP campuses.

Some people think that life in Los Baños is backward and rustic, maybe yes, but to some extent. What are their standards of a backward and rustic lifestyle? I just use these to my advantage. I like, or should I say love, studying in a very peaceful and scenic campus, compared to the hectic and fast-paced one of Diliman’s (and that was just during summer, in my opinion.

Peace!

[n3X]

ano ba iyan! we are all from UP! jusko iisang UPCAT lang tinake natin or iisang pangalan lang pinanghahawakan natin. dun sa budget, lahat naman tayo kulang eh. at saka dapat tulungan between units nde yung iniisip natin na independent. Kung mahina ang LB sa soc sci, etc for example sa GE, then kumuha ng teachers na malalakas para sa LB from Dil kung Dil ang malakas sa soc sci. iisang unibersidad lang tayo people! pare-pareho lang tayong iskolar ng bayan!

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

habol ulet:
tama si Dr. Poblador, isang kamalian ng UP na mag-lagay ng maraming units. Imagine kung tayong lahat na sa isang campus. ---- lakas! astig! Pero ngayon... nagkakaganyan tayo.

[Pepe]

Remember that UP's mandate is supposed to cater for the intellectual, poor or rich. Providing them accessibility (by providing satellite campus sites) is one way of doing this. UP Open University is now extending this farther -- up to HK and Singapore.

[cedar_n_spruce]

kala ko naman kung anong discrimination ang pinaguusapan dito... kala ko gender or race discrimination... although, may ganun din sa UP (referring to all campuses, ok?!)...

[mac_bolan00]

speaking of gender discrimination, there used to be no FEMALE faculty member in the philosophy department. "their" reason: women can't think rationaly!

well, that was before. things may be different now.

[cedar_n_spruce]

dati rin walang CR for girls sa Engg Bldg hanggang 3rd floor... pero meron na ngayon. dati rin walang CR for guys sa College of Home Economics... pero ngayon meron na rin. O di ba, simpleng CRs lang may manifestation na ng gender discrimination.

(diliman campus po)

[mac_bolan00]

don't you just love UP?

:D

[psychic_psycho]

I think it is because that UPD is the hardest campus to get in.......

[n3X]

Remember that UP's mandate is supposed to cater for the intellectual, poor or rich. Providing them accessibility (by providing satellite campus sites) is one way of doing this. UP Open University is now extending this farther -- up to HK and Singapore.-pepe

well yes mandate yun ng UP. pero hindi siya puede maging top and base ng education ng country natin. it should choose only one, top if you want UP to cater to the highest order of intellectuals. base kung gusto niya mag-provide ng education for all. i think role na yun ng ibang state u's, to provide service and education to their own regions and to provide education for all. The university should lead the country in intellectual capital, like President Nemenzo said, if UP moves forward, the Philippines and other state universities will move forward too.

and dun sa Open U, di na dapat siya sumali sa argument kasi as we all know, open nga, walang campus. :)

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas

[in_control_now]

I think it?fs really been awhile since the last time I visited THE ACADEME portion of PEX. The reason . . . a number of forums just doesn?ft concur with how I believe Filipino students must behave. It is a common scene in THE ACADEME for students to make never-ending criticisms, mocks, and ridicules to students who don?ft study or graduate in the same university as theirs. ?e?fParang mga aso?ft pusa.?f?f I categorically believe that such is the reason why our country?fs educational status is not improving nor maintaining it?fs previous degree of superiority in Asia, but rather it is slowly deteriorating. We usually put the blame on the government, lack of finance, or even professors for this when we are actually to be blamed as well. Why can?ft we act like the case of a cat and dog in Thailand where the two treat each other so well as if they belong to one species. If a cat and a dog can do it, why can?ft humans do the same, especially a Filipino to a fellow Filipino?

I just feel really bad and sorry that such a saga continues to extend even within the backyard of UP. ?e?fWhy is a UPian competing with a fellow UPian?f?f, as the question popped in my mind while I was reading the previous statements. But now with the rivalry of whose campus is better in one way or another. My answer would be ?e?fNA?f?f! The question is void and illogical. No further explanation needed! I am also student of UPLB, an LOA student actually. That?fs why I?fm wondering if I?fm still a UPian.

Sa haba man ng sinabi ko, gusto ko lang sabihin na wala na sanang awayan. Isipin na lang natin na lahat tayo?fy mga pogi?ft magaganda. Lahat tipong pati yung galling sa ibang mga unibersidad. Mabuhay ang mga iskolar ng bayan!

[n3X]

Mabuhay ang mga iskolar ng bayan!--> in_control_now

Mabuhay ang pag-asa ng bayan!




U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

[mac_bolan00]

mabuhay ang aso't pusa!!!!

:D

[kalayaan]

....***** kasi mas mahirap lang talaga pumasok sa UP DILIMAN, kaya syempre pag andun ka, pinapalagay na mas matalino ka kaysa sa mga students from ohter UP units.

kadalasan naman kasi talaga 1st choice nila Diliman pero napupunta sila sa ibang UP units.

!
"di lang talaga maidedeny na mas nahirapan yung mga taga-diliman na makasok dun. :)

Pero sympre, UP dil, manila,LB...etc ay UP pa rin

[in_control_now]

:handsdown:

[mAnwHoRe]

Originally posted by psychic_psycho
I think it is because that UPD is the hardest campus to get in.......




yess..... but i qualified for diliman... yet i chose LB. not all students from other up campus are non-passers 4 UPD but... they chose to be there.....;) ;) ;)

[n3X]

yess..... but i qualified for diliman... yet i chose LB. not all students from other up campus are non-passers 4 UPD but... they chose to be there.....--->manwhore

i passed for Dil pero 1st choice ko baguio.

***** kasi mas mahirap lang talaga pumasok sa UP DILIMAN, kaya syempre pag andun ka, pinapalagay na mas matalino ka kaysa sa mga students from ohter UP units. ---> kalayaan

I think para walang kachuvaan between units, may suggestion ako! Diba may quota per campus? alisin yun. quota per course na lang. nakikita niyo ba?

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

[angle]

mjaka: i got the information from PROF. REX B. DEMAFELIS, the chairman of the department of chemical engineering in uplb, during my freshman orientation. now, i don't think the man ,with his status and credibility, would LIE about this, just to brag. since i'm not a chemical engineer, i didn't bother per se to jot from his transparencies. may i ask, how about you, aside from your anonymous friend , who are your sources?

i disagree that in the 2000 chemical board exam, the one who landed on the 7th and 8th place are from uplb. i personally know someone who took the board exam during that year from uplb, and landed in 2nd place -- benjamin bruno.

how can i be content when we even don't have a fundamental basic need -- a classroom! PERHAPS, in upd, you've never have experienced having a section dissolved, not because the student quota has not been achieved but because of the unavailability of a classroom. believe me, it's hard to learn in an environment where your instructor's voice is competing with the hunks of jeepneys and hollers of passer-by. also, i know a number of people who got delayed simply because a major course, prerequisite of upcoming courses the next semester, could not accommodate them.

and with facilities, we can't even have enough classrooms, what more on equipment? the small chemical engineering department has only 2 rooms, a faculty room and a laboratory of which has junk shop description is still an understatement. during my engineering graphics course, i and my partner were assigned to make a 3d graphics of the department. of course, aside from the blueprint we need to check the place too.

i really can't speak too much for the chemical engineering department, only for the electrical engineering department. in the ee department, most strict screening is done by 3rd year and from all the batches, a maximum of 15 people have been able to go upto the 4th year, usually around 10. in our laboratory classes, we spend our time often waiting idly for the other groups to finish so we have our turn to use the equipment and perform ours. worse, there are laboratory classes where we don't even do experiments simply because we DO NOT HAVE the equipment; we spend the time as a lecture instead. laboratory classes. these classes suppose to facilitate for a better understanding of the respective course. it's really hard to put everything you've been taught together, say different parts and function of a generator, like a jigsaw puzzle if the closest thing you've ever been to an electrical machine is a picture from a book.

Originally posted by MJaka
I know this is a little bit off-topic. But the point is, check your facts boy! Don't just go on yapping about some foolery just to add gravy to your stance. I don't really care so much if you are from LB or Manila, Visayas, or Diliman, who cares? We're all from UP, period.
well, i won't stoop at your level. you've OBIVIOUSLY proven one thing in your "speech". ________________________ .

everyone is entitled to their opinion. please next time, read carefully befote you aim your gun. i clearly said it's imho, and you even quoted it. i presume you know what imho means.

[angle]

Pepe: 3 years nang computerized ang reg ng LB.

[Deyli_shoes]

Originally posted by angle
why is it, every time UP is mentioned, most, if not all, automatically assume that it's UP diliman? i mean, there are other UP campuses too, like manila, los banos, etc. some UPian even look down on other UPians, if they find out, they're not from diliman. one thing i do know, not all courses offered in diliman are the best. imho, chemical engineering in los banos (palibhasa nakatira ako sa los banos :belat: )is the best there is; it has consistently been the champion in inter competitions, and has always been consistently in attaining the majority of top 10 places in the board exam. also, the 1st computer science curriculum was laid out in los banos, and unlike in diliman which is just part of the college of engineering, computer science is an established institute here. perhaps, this generalization has arisen because most of the funds go to UPd...
marami lang talaga mayabang don

[Pepe]

Originally posted by angle
Pepe: 3 years nang computerized ang reg ng LB.

Yes, and yet they are looking at UP Diliman's CRS to mimic it. :)

[Pepe]

Originally posted by kalayaan
....***** kasi mas mahirap lang talaga pumasok sa UP DILIMAN, kaya syempre pag andun ka, pinapalagay na mas matalino ka kaysa sa mga students from ohter UP units.

kadalasan naman kasi talaga 1st choice nila Diliman pero napupunta sila sa ibang UP units.

!
"di lang talaga maidedeny na mas nahirapan yung mga taga-diliman na makasok dun. :)

Pero sympre, UP dil, manila,LB...etc ay UP pa rin

Now this is not correct. IF you are in Diliman, it does not automatically mean that you are more intelligent than those in other campus.

Reasons why students choose Diliman:
1. Promixity to residence
2. Environment (less polluted than Manila - considering #1 above)
3. More courses are offered

I have friends who chose LB and UP Manila over Diliman for reasons such as #1 and #2 above.

[Pepe]

Originally posted by n3X
I think para walang kachuvaan between units, may suggestion ako! Diba may quota per campus? alisin yun. quota per course na lang. nakikita niyo ba?

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

There are quotas set for some courses already. This is difficult because some courses are offered in several campuses such as Computer Science, Chem Engg, etc. Maybe you can elaborate more on your suggestion - how can this be achieved?

[angle]

with regards to the 2000 chemical engineering board exam and mjaka's request that i do my homework, i was informed that no one took the board exam on november, but on may instead. here are the list of people from uplb who made it to te top 10:

2nd place - benjamin bruno

4th place - joel izon

7th place - lovelyn acosta

8th place - allan rex pascua

10th place - jeff azul

[angle]

i heard, in upd, one can reg online, as well as still choose a convenient time for a prospect subject. one will be informed about those courses in which one was not accomodate. so during the actual reg day, these will be the only matter that need to be taken care of. please, correct me if i'm wrong.

here in lb, it is indeed computerize, but in a different sense. before the semester ends, you do a checklist of the courses you have taken, (as well as check whether the grades ere correct) and those you are currently taking. then, you just list the courses you plan to take next semester or summer, of which the top is the most prioritized and the bottom of the list being the least. you have no control over the time of which these courses may fall under. by reg day, you just get your form 5, with all the courses already listed, knowing for the 1st time, what time each will be held. the administration doesn't really care much much about choice or right (we're not so liberal here, probinsiya pa rin), but rather that everyone gets a normal load of units (of which they bragged about when the scheme was 1st tried 3 years ago); so, you can't really have a course cancelled, just because you don't like the schedule or the instructor. the only reasons it shall be entertained for a form 26a are the ff: (1) underload; (2) overload; (3) conflict of schedule; and (4) course already taken. even if you have classes from 7am to 7pm, without breaks, the college secretary won't still entertain you. (actually, i had a share of those for the 4 past semesters; by 1pm, i'm already tired but there's nothing i can do. it is more unfortunately, if you still have an exam around 7pm to sawa). of course, there are protests being held against such a "repressive" scheme. maybe there's planning to revised the scheme, which i hope to god they do so! if so, the more immediate they implement it, the better!!! :)

[kahlan_79]

yep, one can register online and choose the subjects you want (you can't choose the teacher you want though).
malas lang if you don't get the subjects you want. balik pila on reg day! :)

[n3X]

There are quotas set for some courses already. This is difficult because some courses are offered in several campuses such as Computer Science, Chem Engg, etc. Maybe you can elaborate more on your suggestion - how can this be achieved?-Pepe

Well yung isang program na for example Computer Science: Iisang quota siya, lets say 2.40 for da system. So kahit UP tacloban ka or UP Baguio, you should get a UPG of 2.4 para makapasok sa Comp Sci ng UP System. This way, mas less yung pag-suffer from comparison at na-keep mo pa quality ng nakukuha mo. And may dagdag pa po!!! Para lesser ulet, may specific na focus, for example: IT in Health for da CS of UPM. ganun... :)

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

[MJaka]

angle: What exam? I took the Chem Engg Board for November 2000. I definitely know who were the top ten in my batch. The ones you posted, I'm assuming they were from the May 2000 batch. But take note that the bulk of UP Diliman Chem Engg graduates take their board exams in November. So, do you still wonder why UPLB got all those places in the May 2000 board exams? I personally don't care much about all those yabang from UPLB's chem engg department chair. As for me, at least I got my info because I was part of that batch.

[MJaka]

i was informed that no one took the board exam on november, but on may instead.

Hahaha! are you sure? I dunno If I was hallucinating, may be I was. But I distinctly remembered seeing and chatting with some of my MRII co-reviewers who were from UPLB on the day of the Board exams. I even saw one when I went to PRC to get my license. And by the way, she passed too.

This will be my last reply on this topic. I have other better things to do that trading swords with you who obviously doesn't know his facts. GOOD BYE!

[angle]

Originally posted by MJaka
This will be my last reply on this topic. I have other better things to do that trading swords with you who obviously doesn't know his facts. GOOD BYE!
even before this thread was started, i've already established that i'm taking electrical engineering...even admitting it here per se. i still believe that chemical engineering in uplb is still the best. in fact, i would have taken chemical engineering iif chemistry is my forte, but it isn't....


I'm assuming they were from the May 2000 batch. But take note that the bulk of UP Diliman Chem Engg graduates take their board exams in November. So, do you still wonder why UPLB got all those places in the May 2000 board exams?
don't you think that's a fallacious conclusion? so does that mean that if a group of friends running for magna cum laude and cum laude, are planning to take the licensure exam during the "irregular season", kasi balak magliwaliw to the max right after graduation,they wouldn't make it to the top 10 even if they take it on regular season?" (1st-hand info situation). i really don't know the reasons behind, all i know is the dwindling population makes the batch spirit (damayan) strong.

Hahaha! are you sure? I dunno If I was hallucinating, may be I was. But I distinctly remembered seeing and chatting with some of my MRII co-reviewers who were from UPLB on the day of the Board exams. I even saw one when I went to PRC to get my license. And by the way, she passed too.
well, i don't know whether i should i apologize or not, simply because the information i gathered from the archives of the engineering library, didn't match those of your personal experience. it's either those documents in our library are erroneous or your memory is fallible/mind is too presumptous. if you don't mind me asking, what are the names of top 7 and 8 from uplb in the november 2000 board exam you were claiming above, so i could check about them because according to the archive, no one took the chemical engineering board exam on november 2000, and it would be a big oversight for the library to forget those people, let alone these 2 bagged places in the top 10.

[boinks]

I agree that all of us took the same UPCAT exam. Its not a matter of UPD being the hardest UP campus to get in, its the course you wanted to get in. If u'll look at it closely, almost all those who were not accepted to UP D are results of its quotas..ok so maybe this can also be attributed to UPD being the hardest campus to get in.

I'm from UPLB and I will have to say that i opted for UPD as my 1st option, but im very thankful that i spent my 4 years in UPLB, the experience is very different from the other people i know who goes to UPD.

UPLB is not a laid back campus, its also very fast paced and tiring (because of the long walks and the high places)

I agree that we have some petty dicriminations among who goes to what UP campus. BUt then again, im as much as proud to be from UPLB, because i would never have had this kind of orientation i have now if it wasnt for UP, I like UP and the guys who go there. pag nakakilala ka after u graduated ng taga-UP, saan UP ka man, kayo ang mas-magki-click before any others.

But then again, to each is to their own

[faaip_de_oiad]

it's pediorative to say that the better students always make it to diliman. most people still opt to go to manila for their pre-medicine studies. i could name around four merit scholars and around 12 oblation scholars who are in UPmla, not because they flunked diliman - they obviously wanted to secure a slot in the college of medicine. just compare courses... in manila there are great courses like pharmacy, public health and intarmed. Diliman may have MBB, ECE and BAA but don't forget the fact that Diliman also has the backdoor courses of the UP system...

we're all from up and i guess that's ok. maybe we should stop looking down at fellow 'iskolars ng bayan' who aren't from diliman. maybe we should unite and just dis people from other universities... haha. kidding

peace

[faaip_de_oiad]

i took the UPCAT last year and i still think that it isn't a good way of measuring a person's skills and intellect. 300 items of multiple choice items just won't cut it. You studied for three years in highschool and the only thing you got to prove yourself worthy is a measly short exam...

i passed the upcat though. i would have loved to be an oblation scholar but i just fell short. i was originally slated to go to diliman, but i opted to secure a slot at the college of medicine so i am currently in manila. there is no contest. manila is just inferior to diliman - but only in aspects of location and parking space!

[Imag1ne]

No point to argue. We're all UP students anyway.


Btw, it still feels good to jog around the acad oval, huh?