Samurai X

[GLoCKs]

missko na si kenshin! http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

[flyderman]

MAGALING! LONG LIVE BATUSAI THE SLASHER!!

[nadesico]

everything about rurouni kenshin gusto ko. and napakalupit ng aking kapalaran coz i wasnt able to watch the whole series http://www.pinoyexchange.com/grrr.gif

[YoBaKs]

if you like Samurai X...i think you should watch first the OAVs. Volume 1-4 where Kenshin's History was revealed, and why he had a scar on his face. So far it is the BEST anime OAV i've ever seen. coz i am not actually an anime fan, but after i've seen the OAVs...galing!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

HITEN MITSURUGI RYU!!!

peacelove and godspeed

[This message has been edited by YoBaKs (edited 05-28-2000).]

[FarOutFreak]

Natapos ko nga yung pinalabas sa AXN, e.

Trip ko talaga doon, si Yusui. I guess I have to go for the bad guys. Yung buong Juppongatana, pati na rin siguro si Saitou.

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/silly.gif

[IceAngel]

Saitou has got to be one of my favorites! He is so cool and his Aku soku zan is the best.

YoBaKs: I watched OAV 1-4 already and its a complete thumbs up for me. Superb animation and plot line, and the pacing is so good. And the music! I loved the theme that played to accentuate Kenshin's first meeting with Tomoe. Gotta be one of the best OAV's I have ever watched.

[flyderman]

Is this the OAV where Kenshin got his 2nd scar (thus the "X")??

[Seishirou]

Yeah, the OAV's are really good. However, I still think of it as a poor substitute to the real thing, which is the RK manga's last and greatest story arc, the Revenge arc. It not only has the ultimate villain in Yukishiro Enishi, but also has the true ending to the series, which is definitely not that crappy filler episode known as episode 95. Not only did they not air it on TV, but thanks to those fillers the Revenge arc may never be animated. Aaaarrgggh!!!!

[YoBaKs]

Originally posted by flyderman:
Is this the OAV where Kenshin got his 2nd scar (thus the "X")??

yup! :D :D

peacelove and godspeed!

[kalparis]

vbAbay...oo naman... pero bakit nila inalis sa axn?? baket? :(

my darling sano
kahit na mayabang sya...cute pa rin sya. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/blush.gif


[This message has been edited by kalparis (edited 05-31-2000).]

[Bostsip]

Hai! Hai! RK's my all-time fave anime. I hope it'd be shown again..and i hope they air the last, last ep about kaoru and kenshin..and i hope they make a special about them..yung may lemon :P

Oav's--i watched em. i hated OAV 3 for the simple fact that (SPOILER!) Kenshin and Tomoe had a lemon scene...arrghhh! I don't like Tomoe! (soorryy Tomoe fans)

[IceAngel]

Aw come on, OAV 3 is ok...its not much of a lemon scene. There are WORSE lemon scenes out there, like the ones in Ninja Scroll *shudders as she remembers THAT scene* Anyway, I appreciate OAV 3 for its aesthetic qualities and the good direction. :)

[nadesico]

ngayon ko lang na-realze na i've seen some part of rk's oav. i've only seen up to the part na umalis si tomoe and kenshin and pretend na mag-asawa sila. can somebody tell me how many more will i need to see?

[pamela]

waaaaaa!!!!! huhuhuhu.... di ko na napapanood samuraiiiii.... kaasarrrr... sino sa inyo taga cali (san jose/sta clara)? alam niyo ba kung saan nakakabili ng video tapes ng samurai? kse naman kasama ako dati sa mailing list pero sabi nila this year palang daw ilalabas... kelan ba ****? miss ko na si kenshinn sobra....

*nadesico mas malupit ang kapalaran ko kse baka meron pa axn niyan ako dito di ko alam kung san meron....huhuh

[pamela]

nadesico: anong oras flight mo? ingat ka ha. may internet ba kayo sa phils? kung wala pakabit na kayo. sige ka ma-mi-miss mo dito sa pex. hehehe.

[nadesico]

pamela: is that really you...sa wakas nag-pex din ikaw......july daw sellling ng anime sa cali...wait ka na lang

[pamela]

ang tagal naman. july pa. eh wala ako pera nun. la na kme pasok sa school. eh alam mo naman na no skul, no income (allowance) ako. hayyyy ..... bukas ka na ba uuwi sa phils? ingatz nalang ha.

[GLoCKs]

i saw some RK VCDs at greenhills. try to check it out, forgot the name of the sotre lang http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif

[nadesico]

pamela: tomorrow na nga akong uwi sa manila....miss na kita kaagad :(

[kazuki]

I watched the OAVs and it was teriffic (morbid though) yet one of the best love stories i've seen.
Hitokiri Battousai and his Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu is the best by the way which of the sword slashe techniques do you like most, i go for the Ama Kakeru Ryo No Hirameki

[goonie]

MABUHAY ANG HITOKIRI BATTOUSAI!!!

yeppers to all who sed dat the OAV's rocked. the OAV's hooked me on anime on a deeper level 'cause it shows a different, more eerie human side to anime.

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/goon.gif

[jack]

Fan ako ng Rorouni kenschi :)

[vash]

i'm a samurai x addict and i love the fighting styles of each of the characters especially with the encounter with shishio makoto. these fights ara one of the best!!!!!

[SoliduS_AlphA]

tol fans din ako ng RK kaso hindi ko na maalala kung ano yung pinaka ma-aksyon na laban dyan....basta ang alam ko yung laban ni Kenshin sa RK the movie.. at sa Tv series yung kalaban nya na slasher din nakalimutan ko na kasi name nung villain na yun eh..
*ABA FREAKY*

[Totnak Boy]

imho the best fight Kenshin really went into was the one with Saitoh. It almost brought out the Battousai within him which is one big factor to consider. Considering too that Kenshin has not yet learned Ama Kakeru Ryuu No Hirameki, he had a tough time battling Saitoh, so he extinguished all his knowledge about swordfighting to almost even unleashing the slasher within.

Yung kay Shishio, well, sabi nila talo naman daw talaga si Kenshin kung hindi lang nagburst into flames si Shishio, pero think about this: what if hindi reversed-edged sword ang winiwield ni Kenshin? Siguro hati-hati na ang katawan ni Shishio dun pa lang sa five-hit combo nya.

[ginoledesma]

Would any of you know where we could download MPEG/QT/AVI files of these wonderful episodes? :D

[~bobosaur~]

Ako rin! i think the best fight scene was with saitoh!!!! next would be with ayoshi!! inside shishio's stronghold! shempre idol!!!

[Saitou]

The first fight between Kenshin and Enishi at the Kamiya dojo was awesome, and the rematch at Enishi's island was even better. The first fight was great because not only did Enishi defeat everything Kenshin threw at him, but he also ruined him for a while by "murdering" his beloved Kaoru. The most important thing about the second fight was that Kenshin had already found the "answer" he was looking for all the crimes he commited as the Hitokiri Battousai, and thus became a swordsman that was even stronger than both Battousai and the Kenshin that fought with Shishio, and thus it made the fight even more action-packed.

Enishi is such a bad-***. Not only did he got hit by Kenshin's Kuzuryusen and then just shrugged it off like nothing happened, but he managed to block ALL nine hits of the maneuver the second time around, and then countered the technique in mid-execution before Kenshin can use it for a third time. He also is the only RK villain to sucessfully counter Kenshin's Ama Kakeru Ryu no Hirameki, including the second strike that is accompanied by a vacuum. As a villain, he's more skillful and stronger than Shishio ever was, and as fast as Soujirou.

[Totnak Boy]

hehe...oo nga, magaling nga si Enishi, pero kasi (this is just my opinion) simula nung natutunan na ni Kenshin yung mga secret techniques handed down from Seijuro Hiko, mejo naging "wordy" na yung mga battles. Ayun, nandun lang si Kenshin in his Battou-jutsu stance and talking the crap out of Enishi and Shishio. Nung battle nila ni Saitoh, puro moves, slashes, and all those frickin SH!TTY stuff! Sobrang action-packed nga eh palipad-lipad na si Kenshin dun sa room na naglaban sila ni Saitoh.

Pero kung ibabase nga natin yung ganda ng battles with the skills of the duelists, well, I would go with RK vs. Enishi. Pero kanya-kanyang opinion lang naman yan eh.

[vash]

Originally posted by Saitou:
The first fight between Kenshin and Enishi at the Kamiya dojo was awesome, and the rematch at Enishi's island was even better. The first fight was great because not only did Enishi defeat everything Kenshin threw at him, but he also ruined him for a while by "murdering" his beloved Kaoru. The most important thing about the second fight was that Kenshin had already found the "answer" he was looking for all the crimes he commited as the Hitokiri Battousai, and thus became a swordsman that was even stronger than both Battousai and the Kenshin that fought with Shishio, and thus it made the fight even more action-packed.

Enishi is such a bad-***. Not only did he got hit by Kenshin's Kuzuryusen and then just shrugged it off like nothing happened, but he managed to block ALL nine hits of the maneuver the second time around, and then countered the technique in mid-execution before Kenshin can use it for a third time. He also is the only RK villain to sucessfully counter Kenshin's Ama Kakeru Ryu no Hirameki, including the second strike that is accompanied by a vacuum. As a villain, he's more skillful and stronger than Shishio ever was, and as fast as Soujirou.


i know about this final match but i've heard that it was still in manga comics. was it already animated? pls tell me right away

[vash]

yeah maganda lahat ng mga laban. one of the best for me was the match between sano and angie (pls correct me if i spelled it wrong) the battle of a student and a master of the extreme fists.

[vash]

the match up of kenshin and shogou amakusa is also cool but the fighting sucks!!!!!! all they did was talk and kenshin has to be blind just to beat him with one blow. but the story about it is good i kinda like it when sano fell for shogou's sister seiyo. too bad she died.

[vash]

Originally posted by SoliduS_AlphA:
tol fans din ako ng RK kaso hindi ko na maalala kung ano yung pinaka ma-aksyon na laban dyan....basta ang alam ko yung laban ni Kenshin sa RK the movie.. at sa Tv series yung kalaban nya na slasher din nakalimutan ko na kasi name nung villain na yun eh..
*ABA FREAKY*
i think kilala ko na kung sino yung kalaban niya na slasher. Jin-E was the name(but pronunciation of it is spelled like this Jin-I)
he's a former member of the shinsen group and wanted to prove to kenshin who's the best slasher of them all. he also wanted to make kenshin angry so that the slasher within him will come out. but as usual talo yung kalaban.

[Totnak Boy]

Originally posted by vash:
yeah maganda lahat ng mga laban. one of the best for me was the match between sano and angie (pls correct me if i spelled it wrong) the battle of a student and a master of the extreme fists.

The correct spelling's Anji.

And while I'm at it, I might as well list the names of those which are commonly mistaken:

Saitoh (some translations also refer to him as "Saitou")

Kaoru (the japanese "u" has a hint of "i", maybe that's why they pronounced her name as "Kori")

Yahiko (I really can't understand how they got the "Yoshi" name)

Yusui (the blind JuPon Gatana guy)

Kamatari (hehe...I just loved "her" weapon...mace-chained-scythe!)

Aoshi (pronounced as "Awshi" in Japanese)

And guyz, just a bit of trivia: did you know that there was a HAJIME SAITOH IN REAL LIFE?!? ULTRA-COOL!!! He is actually also the leader of the third troop of an army (am not really sure whether the name's Shinsengumi also) and he is also known for his fierce looks (that's where they got the joke of the "impossibility" of Saitoh having a wife, and yes he did have a wife in real life). But most of all, he is also well-known for his LEFT-HAND THRUST STYLE OF FIGHTING!!! Man, he's just so cool!!!

I can't remember the site kung saan ko nakuha yung info (and kung saan ko nakita yung pic nya). If anyone has been there already, please post up a link here para makita din ng ibang fans :)

[minimax]

I personally like the fights between Kenshin and Soujiro.

The first one was when Soujiro "copied" Kenshin's Battou-jutsu and broke Kenshin's sword.

OK din yung pangalawang laban nila. Yun nga lang medyo matagal 'to kaysa dun sa una.

^_^x

[vash]

for those who know the battle of kenshin and enishi. how did you guys know about the fight? did you guys read it on the manga comics or was it already showed in anime? pls tell me i'm dying to know if it was already shown on animem i must have that last set of series to cmplete all of my collection. from the oav to the series and to the last

[mpxcz]

RK rules...
i like kenshin's battle with soujiro, muntik nang matapos niya si kenshin kung di lang na psych out si soujiro...
si makoto shisio naman kasi tinamaan na ki kenshin ng ilang beses, pano kung hindi reversed edge yun, e di chopchop shisio na sana siya hehehe

[Totnak Boy]

Originally posted by mpxcz:
si makoto shisio naman kasi tinamaan na ki kenshin ng ilang beses, pano kung hindi reversed edge yun, e di chopchop shisio na sana siya hehehe

hehe...my point exactly http://www.pinoyexchange.com/bop.gif http://www.pinoyexchange.com/bop.gif http://www.pinoyexchange.com/bop.gif

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif

[Saitou]

Actually, other than the beginning of the fight and somewhere in the middle, the entire Kenshin-Enishi II battle was pure action. Enishi was too far gone for Kenshin to reason with, anyway.

Every historical reference in RK is accurate, including all the factions and events. Battousai was a creation of Watsuki from the four greatest hitokiris during the Bakamatsu no Douran. The Shinsengumi and Saitou did exist in real life, but Saitou's not a heavy ssmoker, but rather a heavy drinker.

The Revenge Arc only exists in manga form, and translations of it can be found on Anipike(go to Maigo-chan's or Serizawa Kamo's). It hasn't been animated as of yet, and the Reminiscience Chapter OAV is what you may call a "teaser" to the arc should it never be created.

I loved the Saitou-Battousai rematch, but I preffered the Kenshin-Enishi II because it actually had a definite winner.

[maangas talaga ako]

panoorin niyo yung oav ng samurai x para malaman niyo kung paano nakuha ni kenshin yung pangalan niya, x mark sa mukha, at sword technique. andun din yung first love niya. :D

[maangas talaga ako]

oav stands for original anime version. kung mali yung interpretation ko correct me by posting the right one. :D

[cow_sing]

original anime video... i don't know really... but i have seen the oav and it made me cry...

[vash]

i've already watched the oav and it was dramatic and brutal!!!!!!! dramatic coz tomoe sacrificed herself to save kenshin and beat the enemy. then brutal kaung paano pinatay ni kenshin yung mga kalaban niya. all i could say it's really cool.

kenshin's original name was supposed to be shinta but his master hiko changed it to kenshin which means the heart of a sword.

[vash]

Originally posted by Saitou:
Actually, other than the beginning of the fight and somewhere in the middle, the entire Kenshin-Enishi II battle was pure action. Enishi was too far gone for Kenshin to reason with, anyway.

Every historical reference in RK is accurate, including all the factions and events. Battousai was a creation of Watsuki from the four greatest hitokiris during the Bakamatsu no Douran. The Shinsengumi and Saitou did exist in real life, but Saitou's not a heavy ssmoker, but rather a heavy drinker.

The Revenge Arc only exists in manga form, and translations of it can be found on Anipike(go to Maigo-chan's or Serizawa Kamo's). It hasn't been animated as of yet, and the Reminiscience Chapter OAV is what you may call a "teaser" to the arc should it never be created.

I loved the Saitou-Battousai rematch, but I preffered the Kenshin-Enishi II because it actually had a definite winner.


so do you think there's a chance that they will show the kenshin and enishi battle in anime? I hope so that will be cool!!!! what do you think Saitou?


[This message has been edited by vash (edited 09-22-2000).]

[poseidon]

i loved the fight between sanosuke and angie(tama ba names?) it was like one of those teacher-student battles. the duel of the two masters of the dual extreme

[Kurama]

i'd def. vote for the enishi & saitou battles, particularly that part when kenshin escaped saitou's jacket via his scabbard. :D

like vash, i can't wait for the revenge arc anime. besides, sasaki nozomu's gonna be doing enishi!!! cool!! :D

[Saitou]

There are rumors that the Jinchuu Arc is in the stages of being animated, according to my reliable sources at the SASSE. If you have the Kenshin Kaden book, you will see that they have colored illustrations for the opening music video of the Jinchuu Arc. Keep your fingers crossed.

[cow_sing]

yung fight with kaoru and misao vs kamatari.. heck, it was better than any kenshin fight there is!!!

[hwoarang]

Saitou and Kenshin.. habang nasusugatan si kenshin lalong bumibilis hehe .. kung hindi reverse edge yung gamit nya, nawalan na nang ulo si saitou ..

basta lahat nang episode na naging pula or yellow ang mata ni kenshin cool ..

......
You can die anytime you want
But living takes courage
-- RK

[sabotahe]

i like the whole OAV where it showed how BATTOUSAI got his X scar on his cheek . . . napaka moving.

[Moiraine]

AUGH, and dami kong nabasang spolers! http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif I just started watching (in an obsessed manner :p) on AXN.

I agree with the Kenshin-Saitoh fight. One or both of them might have died if the Prime Minister had not arrived! Grabe talaga si Saitoh, he was only supposed to test Kenshin's strength pero he would've killed him then. I still get shivers when I see some portions of that fight shown in the ending song of the 2nd season. Parang wolf talaga si Saitoh and whenever Kenshin's eyes turn yellow *shudder* Siguro I like this confrontation a lot din kasi Saitoh's my fave character after Kenshin. He really believes in fighting for good and not letting anything/anyone stand in his way. I started liking him after he called Misao a weasel and finding out he had a wife :eek: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

The fight with Soujiro was also good, nakaka-touch sobra yong kwento ng buhay nya... ano nga pala sinabi nya, "Where were you when I needed you?" ?

Also liked Misao and Kaoru's fight with Kamatari. For the first time I saw how good and composed Kaoru is when fighting, really like the Master she's supposed to be.

QUESTION: lalaki ba talaga si Kamatari???
And does anyone else think na mas di na maganda ang drawing nung 2nd season compared sa 1st? I'm just basing it on Kaoru, kasi she looked so much prettier and drawn finer nung umpisa.

Totnak Boy: nice to see you again :p
My brother told me about Saitoh's character being based on a real-life person, pero that's all I know about him. What site are you talking about? Merong pic nung real person Saitoh? I'll see if I find something like that, and in return I need help din. I saw this site where you can download mp3s of the background music, and I stupidly stupidly!! did not bookmark it. I've spent several hours looking for it already, pero still can't find it. So if you see anything like that, please! :)

[Saitou]

Yes, Kamatari is a man. Here is an excerpt from the more humorous manga version of the Kamatari-Kaoru/Misao fight, explaining that particular detail.

(At the Aoiya)

Kamatari (to Misao): Well, since your guys are all right, why don’t we get started? You’ll be tired out soon enough.

Kaoru: She’s just trying to make you mad.

Misao: I know, but I can’t just let this go. Just so I can back you guys up a little sooner, I’m gonna destroy this scythe-girl!

Kamatari: Scythe girl? (He giggles.) There seems to be a slight mistake. (He lifts the front of his kimono.) I’m not a scythe-girl. I’m a scythe boy.

(Misao screams.)

Kaoru: What’s WRONG with you, Misao?

Misao (weakly): El--elephant . . . it’s a freakin’ elephant . . .

Kamatari (primly rearranging his kimono): (Actually, that was a little embarrassing.) How cute, she’s blushing. Could it be the first time you’ve seen one?

Misao: No! When I was little I saw Gramps in the bath once! It’s just that that was a little bigger than his, so I was just kinda startled!

(Okina: Stupid girl . . . )

I don't think Saitou's that much of a good guy. In fact, he's probably as twisted and evil as Shishio is, and that's saying a lot. The only reason he works for the "good guys" is that his "Aku. Soku. Zan" discipline has forever binded him into serving Kenshin's side.

[5aboteur]

i think that the best fight ever of rorouni kenshin is with shishio makoto they are the best of the best of the best in the whole of japan and the worst fight is between rajuta and rorouni , rajuta sucks he's a dumb-***
another good fight is with kenshin and saitoh ishigima but the next best fight is between me and rorouni kenshin so watch out for it

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/evilgrin.gif

[Quentin]

Kenshin Himura vs. Quentin Montejo

heheeh ... anymore info can you guys supply?

ey Saito? anymore historical connections :D

[Moiraine]

Originally posted by Saitou
Yes, Kamatari is a man. Here is an excerpt from the more humorous manga version of the Kamatari-Kaoru/Misao fight, explaining that particular detail.


Saitou that was SOOOO funny :lol: Was that really in english? Sayang hindi nila ginawa sa animé, pero baka sobrang risqué for tv hehehe.

Originally posted by Saitou
I don't think Saitou's that much of a good guy. In fact, he's probably as twisted and evil as Shishio is, and that's saying a lot. The only reason he works for the "good guys" is that his "Aku. Soku. Zan" discipline has forever binded him into serving Kenshin's side.


What is this "Aku. Soku. Zan" discipline? I have to disagree about Saitoh (you :D) being evil. He killed that corrupt government official who thought that Saitoh could be bought and I liked what he said to Yusui, something like "I fight you because you are the essence/epitome? of evil."

[Totnak Boy]

Originally posted by Moiraine
What is this "Aku. Soku. Zan" discipline? I have to disagree about Saitoh (you :D) being evil. He killed that corrupt government official who thought that Saitoh could be bought and I liked what he said to Yusui, something like "I fight you because you are the essence/epitome? of evil."

Roughly translated, Aku. Soku. Zan. means sumthin like "Kill Evil without Hesitation" or sumthin. Remember that Saitoh was also a slasher before, but he abided by the principle of Aku Soku Zan only when he joined the Shinsengumi, and only by abiding this principle did he kill those evil men like the gov't official and Yusui. Otherwise (i.e. if he hadn't been a part of Shinsengumi), he might have only used his power and talent for his personal gain, i.e. just like what Shishio did.

[Saitou]

Actually, Saitou does work for his own personal gain. The reason he joined the secret service in the firstt place is because:

a. He wanted to continue the Shinsengumi's work of "removing weakness and corruption" by working as a secret agent, enforcing the Shinsengumi's code of "Aku. Soku. Zan" through his own twisted thinking.

b. Working for the government allows him to kill without being questioned. He could have easily have been a vigilante, but working for the government prevents any hassle, and allows him access to top-secret information.

In more ways than one, he is every bit as twisted and evil as Shishio is. He could care less about the welfare of the people he's sworn to protect; he only does it because it's his "job". The thin line that seperates Shishio and him is that "Aku. Soku. Zan" makes him eliminate the weak who are evil, and has bounded him(reluctantly) into protecting the weak who are good. Watch him relish in the misery of the people at the Shingetsu village.

[Totnak Boy]

Originally posted by Saitou
Watch him relish in the misery of the people at the Shingetsu village.

Although that may be rebuttable, you do have a good point Saitou. I remember that Shingetsu village episode...gawd was he sadistic. Pero my point was that if Saitou hasn't been abiding by Aku Soku Zan, then he might have used it for his personal gain in the sense that he might just have the knack for overthrowing the government just like what Shishio did. Although he still is somewhat twisted, Saitoh is not doing evil like Shishio but instead kills evil, even though it is just his "job."

Anyways, bakit kapag preview ng reply nakikita ko yung signature ko, tapos pag nasa board na hindi ko na makuha? :( kainis...

[Quentin]

did everyone notice that Saitoh stopped having those smiling eyes (it looks shut to me) after that event when he fought Kenshin to test him ?

i mean in the recall episodes he had those eyes, but later, it seems to always have an evil glow. but i luv it :devil:

[Saitou]

He was just pretending to be nice at the time. On this note, I would have to say that Saitou's English voice actor was good, but his Japanese VA is even better. He really did a great job of creating a difference between "nice" Saitou and the twisted and evil Saitou.

And as for Saitou's smile during the flashback to the Ikedaya incident and the alley fight against Battousai, it's because he loves killing. Sick *******, that saitou.

[vash]

i've heard that the prime minister was also based on history.
remember the epsiode when he was assasinated? there was this group who planned to kill him but didn't made it because soujiro beat them first. but that was the group that really killed the prime minister. pinaganda lang yung story on samurai x

[vash]

does anyone here knows what happend to okita after the tokugawa era? i think that he just died because of his sickness (T.B.)

[Quentin]

Originally posted by Saitou
And as for Saitou's smile during the flashback to the Ikedaya incident and the alley fight against Battousai, it's because he loves killing. Sick *******, that saitou.

uh ... funny nick you have there no?

[Saitou]

On a another matter of interest, there were two other storyline arcs that Watsuki-sensei had planned that never managed to see the light, because he had other matters to attend to:

- the first is tentatively called the Hokkaido arc, where the Kenshingumi head to Hokkaido to face a new crisis. Other characters in continuity(Anji, Soujirou, Enishi) also return to aid the Kenshingumi, as well.

- the second one takes place many years into the future, where a twisted and evil Himura Kenji(son of Kaoru and Kenshin) faces off with Myoujin Shinya(son of Yahiko and Tsubame) for the right to Kenshin's sakabatou shinuchi, and the title of the sole inheritor of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu.

[Quentin]

would you think that if THAT (Kenji Himura) made it to the pictures, it'll lose its hold on historical connections?

btw, what era all of this supposedly happen? 1880-1890's ??

(Saitou didn't have a son huh?)

[Saitou]

would you think that if THAT (Kenji Himura) made it to the pictures, it'll lose its hold on historical connections?

Probably. But then again, Jinchuu arc managed just fine even without any historical conncetions. It was necessary during the Kyoto arc because Shishio's exploits involved a coup 'de tate(sp?) of the Meiji government.

btw, what era all of this supposedly happen? 1880-1890's ??

Hokkaido arc(in the event that it was created) would have taken place some time after the conclusion of the Jinchuu arc, probably 2-3 years before the last events of the RK story. The second arc would have taken place some where in the 1900's, since at year 15 of the Meiji Restoration(roughly around 1882, the year of the end of the RK story) Kenji is just a toddler and Yahiko's around 14-15 years old.

(Saitou didn't have a son huh?)

He dissappears at the end of RK after turning down Kenshin's challenge to a final match, and hasn't been heard from since. He does have a child with Tokio, but I don't think Watsuki-sensei ever made it into telling anything about him.

[glitch2000]

all the fights are great but the best fight where himura loses is the one with............of course Cory (english) or Kaoru (japanese) great violence and funny faces mixed up in every fight scene...

Tell me something...if Sano (after learning the rock blasting technique) were to battle Aioshi (after Aioshi improves his kraft at the Kodachi - now wielding two swords)...who do you think would win?

how bout this? If Shishio and Himura's master Soujiro Hiko were to fight..who would win? and why?

another food for thought... if Soujiro Hiko and the God's Child (i forgot the name) were to fight...who would win? why? :)

here is what i would like you to think about....What if Kenshin himura the wanderer were to battle Battousai the slasher..... well you get the picture..what would the outcome be? why do you think so?

ciao..hope ya answer it well...i wanna see your responses..:) if i get a lot of answers can we move this debate to a separate board? :) thanks

[neonique]

anybody still remember Jubei, of Ninja Scroll fame? I think he and Kenshin would have a pretty damn fine fight! Buuuuuuuuuut I think Kenshin would still whooop his ***, battousai or not!

[Quentin]

Jubei was a historical figure as well right ? (Saitou, from what era was Jubei? I theorize that he must be from some place earlier)

Sano vs. Aoshi? er, Sano will be in a coffin. i wonder why he didn't do something to improve that skill he has with the humongous sword? or perhaps it is too unwieldy. Sano is too strong physically for his body frame if you ask me.

Kenshin Himura vs. Battousai the Slasher? well, if Kenshin can mind-rape Battousai yes (coz that's wut he did with some others). If not, the chance will be slimmer. Battousai will just kill kill kill

[vash]

i think jubei was way long before the meiji era. probably he's in the middle years in the tokugawa era. he's already dead when kenshin and the others came.

[vash]

aiohi will definitely kick sano's ***!!!!!!!

quentin's right about sano's old weopon (i think it's name was the zanza) i wished he would do something to improve his fighting. but i kinda liked him with his fist fighting style

[vash]

Originally posted by glitch2000
how bout this? If Shishio and Himura's master Soujiro Hiko were to fight..who would win? and why?

another food for thought... if Soujiro Hiko and the God's Child (i forgot the name) were to fight...who would win? why? :)



i would like to know who will win if soujiro hiko will battle the master of shogou amakusa. but i think hiko will win this one

[vash]

so Saitou, how come saitou turned down kenshin's offer for a final battle?

[Moiraine]

Originally posted by Quentin
(Saitou didn't have a son huh?)

Didn't he adopt the orphan little boy Iji(?) from the village that Shishio took over?

[Saitou]

Originally posted by vash
so Saitou, how come saitou turned down kenshin's offer for a final battle?

Here's the an excerpt from a scene involving Saitou and Chou from chapter 252 of the manga, where Saitou explains his reasons:

At the police station, Chou walks in the room
and is surprised to find Saitou staring out an open
window.

Chou: Wha!

Saitou [turning]: What's with you. Do you have some kind
of business at this time of night?

Chou: No, I'm irresponsible. Even spies get tired.....
But more importantly, what are you doing, an-san? It's
past the time for the "battle!" Hurry up and go!
// No, it's just that I've got tired of this job as
a spy and I was thinking about stealing some valuables
and getting away...
But more importantly, what are you doing, an-san? It's
past the time for the "battle!" Hurry up and go!

Saitou: Fn. Who said I was accepting the fight?

Chou: Huh?

Pg. 13
Saitou [turning back to the window]: The opponent I wished
for a settlement with was Hitokiri Battousai. Not that man.
A wolf is a wolf. The Shinsengumi are the Shinsengumi.
A hitokiri is a hitokiri. That's what I thought, but it
looks like my expectation was mistaken.

Chou: Himura Kenshin and Hitokiri Battousai are one and
the same, aren't they? I don't understand what you're
saying.

Saitou: If you don't understand, it's better that way.
Even if I established a settlement with a hitokiri who
doesn't kill anymore, by now there are already no more
strong feelings, nor is there anything to get worked up
about. That's all there is to it.
//If you don't understand, it's better that way.
There's no thrill at all in establishing a settlement
with a hitokiri(killer) that doesn't kill anymore.
That's all there is to it.


Pg. 14
A strong wind suddenly blows through the open window,
scattering papers everywhere.

Chou: Uwa-?!

Saitou [lighting a cigarette]: Cold wind, isn't it...

Chou: Ah? Yeah, I guess so. It's already fall huh.

Pg. 15
Saitou takes a drag from his cigarette and stares out
into the night.

Saitou: Idiot...

In short, his enemy is the Hitokiri Battosai, not Himura Kenshin. And even if he wants to settle unresolved issues with a peaceful rurouni, the need to do so is no longer there.

[bubu]

saitou.

since you know so much info about rk.

ano yung name for character basis ni kenshin??
i read it somewhere, but i forgot it na.

**ênjoy bübu dyna§ty™

[bubu]

>>Tell me something...if Sano (after learning the rock blasting technique) were to battle Aioshi (after Aioshi improves his kraft at the Kodachi - now wielding two swords)...who do you think would win?

si aoshi siyempre


>>how bout this? If Shishio and Himura's master Soujiro Hiko were to fight..who would win? and why?

master hiko


>>another food for thought... if Soujiro Hiko and the God's Child (i forgot the name) were to fight...who would win? why? :)

shogo amakusa. kasi genius to.


**ang lupit ng buhok ni enishi.

hahahaha!!!
semento na ata to eh.

[Saitou]

Tell me something...if Sano (after learning the rock blasting technique) were to battle Aioshi (after Aioshi improves his kraft at the Kodachi - now wielding two swords)...who do you think would win?

Aoshi will kick the crap out of Sanosuke unconditionally, for the following reasons:

1. Sano only has his fists, while Aoshi has his two kodachis. Kaoru Koganei(Flame of Recca) said it best: a fighter with a weapon is at least 3x more powerful than a person without one. No matter how invincible or strong Sano is now(especially during/after the Jinchuu arc, with his mastery of the Futae no Kiwami), he's still unarmed and I don't think he's that skilled in any shiradori techniques(like Kenshin and other swordsmen) to prevent Aoshi from slicing to shreds.

2. Sano's right hand is a mangled mess, lessening his options and chances against Aoshi.

3. Aoshi already handed Sano his *** to him when they fought in the Tokyo arc, and quite easily too. The improvement Sano had with the Futae no Kiwami pales in comparison to the one Aoshi had when he mastered Kodachi Nitouryu. So Aoshi still is infinitely stronger than Sano.

If Shishio and Himura's master Soujiro Hiko were to fight..who would win? and why?

Hiko's stronger, faster, and better than Kenshin will ever be at Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu, and Shishio and Kenshin are merely equal as fighters. Hiko will mop the floor with Shishio.

another food for thought... if Soujiro Hiko and the God's Child (i forgot the name) were to fight...who would win? why? :)

This fight still follows the same scenario as above. Shougo couldn't beat Kenshin II, and I don't think he's as strong as Shishio(who's equal to Kenshin III).

What if Kenshin himura the wanderer were to battle Battousai the slasher..... well you get the picture..what would the outcome be? why do you think so?

Kenshin I will lose to the Hitokiri Battousai. Kenshin II and III are stipulated numerous times by the other characters to be even stronger than Battousai, so they'll win over him.

[Saitou]

Originally posted by bubu
saitou.

since you know so much info about rk.

ano yung name for character basis ni kenshin??
i read it somewhere, but i forgot it na.

**ênjoy bübu dyna§ty™


Here's is Watsuki's explanation on the creation of Himura Kenshin:

the Makings of the Characters --Himura Kenshin--
The original model was supposed to be the Hitokiri Kawakami Gensai, but now they’re completely different . . . (oh well.) Kawakami Gensai, one of the four great Hitokiris of the Bakumatsu, could be mistaken for a girl at first glance, but his nature was the complete opposite of his appearance: he was a cold, calculating man said to be the most terrible of the four. He was famous for cutting down Kuma Shouzan in broad daylight with his unique, lightning-fast Furanui style of kenjutsu. Whether he was responsible for other assassinations is still a mystery. After the new era was brought in, his ideas about isolationism conflicted with that of the government’s, and he was tried on false charges and executed in the fourth year of the Meiji era (1871). But after looking into it, I think the Hitokiri's refusal to yield was not meaningless, but his honor for the comrades he fought and killed with and the enemies he killed. This thought led to the Kenshin character. From others in the Shinsengumi, I also took the selflessness of Okita Soushi of the Shinsengumi, and the mystery of Saitou Hajime.
Other than this, I didn’t have any particular design for the character. The hero of my debut story was a tall handsome man with black hair and armor, so I tried to draw the exact opposite and ended up with a girl (laughs). In desperation, I added a cross-shaped scar on his left cheek . However, that scar actually became a key point in the transformation of Battousai to Kenshin (or so it seems).

[ginoledesma]

Wow! What an interesting and educational thread!

Pardon the ignorance, but who is Aoshi? Is this 'Eyoshi' of the Oni Gang? :)

[Saitou]

Originally posted by ginoledesma

Pardon the ignorance, but who is Aoshi? Is this 'Eyoshi' of the Oni Gang? :)

Yes. Shinomori Aoshi, former Okashira of the Onmitsu Oniwabanshuu(Misao's the current one). The English dub should know how to get their script translations straight.

[glitch2000]

wow..so many fights and so many results...it seems Sano has NO chance against Aioshi, Soujiro Hiko wins 2 out of two and Battousai the slasher will beat Kenshin the wanderer...
Love the answers....

want some more?

If you were to rank these swordsmen/fighters in ascending order from 1 (the greatest) to N how would it look like and why? I wanna read what's on your mind.... :) enjoy!


Soujiro Hiko
Shishio
Aioshi II (after improving his Kodachi skill)
Sanosuke Segara w/ Zanza
Sanosuke Segara (rock blasting technique)
Jinnai the slasher
Gentatsu the slasher (from the Samurai X movie as seen in HBO)
The Jupon Katana (yep all ten of them)
Saitou
Kenshin Himura the wanderer
Shougo Amakuza
Cory Kamiya

i'll think of some more matchups soon...maybe even mix n match animations....

[Saitou]

Since it's too complicated, I'm going to split this up into seperate rankings:

The best of the best

Hiko
Kenshin(Jinchuu arc)
Enishi
Shishio
Kenshin(Kyoto arc)
Shougo
Soujirou
Saitou II(current era)
Aoshi III(Jinchuu arc)
Battousai/Saitou I(Bakumatsu era)
Aoshi II(Kyoto arc)
Hitokiri Gentatsu
Kenshin I(Tokyo arc)
Jin-eh


Ten Swords

Soujirou
Usui
Anji
Fuji
Iwanbo
Kamatari
Chou
Henya

Hand-to-hand combat

Anji
Sanosuke(Jinchuu arc)
Sanosuke(Kyoto arc)
Hanya
Sanosuke/Zanza(w/ zanbato)
Shikijo

Slightly below best level

Yahiko(Jinchuu arc)
Kaoru

[bubu]

saitou

kawakami gensai
he was small wasn't he??
just like kenshin

**ênjoy bübu dyna§ty®

[Saitou]

Here's a revised version of my list. This is taking into consideration all FINAL versions of each character, and all the improvements each character has gone through from the Tokyo arc to the Jinchuu arc. Also, I've seperated the unarmed characters from the weapon characters, as it's extremely unfair(and inconclusive) to judge a non-weapon chracacter's strength when compared to a weapon character. With that in mind

Weapon combat

Hiko
Kenshin(w/ Kuzuryusen and ougi)
Enishi
Shishio
Shougo
Soujirou
Saitou
Aoshi(w/ two kodachi)
Hitokiri Battousai
Usui
Fuji
Seiryuu
Suzaku
Kujirinami
Iwanbo III
Shigure
Yatsume
Gein
Gentatsu
Kenshin(w/o Kuzuryusen and ougi)
Aoshi(w/ one kodachi)
Jin-eh
Chou
Kamatari
Genbu
Yahiko
Henya
Sanosuke/Zanza(w/ zanbato)
Otowa
Raijuuta
Kaoru
Misao

Unarmed combat

Anji
Sanosuke(w/ Futae no Kiwami)
Byakko
Banjin
Hanya
Shikijo

bubu: I'm not sure if Kawagami Gensai is short or not. Judging from Kenshin's size, it's kinda possible.

[ghostelle]

Maganda *** laban ni RECCA n KIREI pero mas maganda *** laban ni Kenshin with Chou kasi mas maganda tingnan kapag natatakot na *** kalaban kay Kenshi. Another is with the enemy of the fake Battoussai (d one with a lot of orphaned kids) ang ganda ng pasok niya don.

[bubu]

ok thanks. saitou.

ghostelle. ayos yun ah

[vash]

saitou since you know a lot of manga what do you mean about the Tokyo arc and Jinchuu arc? you've done some great reserches about RK. i only know all about the anime episodes. so are they already starting with the anime of the enishi confrontation?

[Totnak Boy]

who's this Seiryuu and Suzaku? huh? ba't biglang may Füshigi Yüügi dito? :lol: or did I just miss anything? :p

and I really don't consider Fuji to be one of the JuPon Gatana. It was the ol' guy who was the jupon gatana, and Fuji was only used for ShiShio's purposes. Pero if you'd still rate him...well...I just thought it's just hard coz no one has really tested his skills except Hiko (well actually he didn't even give Fuji a chance to show off his "skills"), and it's even harder because we have to consider his size. Sheeesh, kung kasinglaki lang nya sina Kenshin, nyak panis sya.

and guyz, it's Seijuro Hiko, not Soujiro Hiko. Baka mapagpalit nyo yung master ni Kenshin and yung bata sa JuPon Gatana eh.

[bubu]

crush ko si tomoe

[Saitou]

Seiryuu, Suzaku, Byakko, and Genbu were the Su Hsing(Four Gods), a group of fighters who served as bodyguards to Wu Heishin(#2 to Enishi in the Shanghai mafia, where Enishi is #1). They squared off with the other four members of the Kenshingumi at Enishi's island prior to the rematch between Enishi and Kenshin. Seiryuu(the one who fought with Saitou) uses a halberd(some form of Chinese spear/lance, I think). He is an expert at counterattacking any known technique, and he was able to sucessfully defeat Saitou's Gatotsu. Suzaku(the one who fought with Aoshi) uses two Chinese swords. He can duplicate any technique of his opponent perfectly and even surpass his opponent's skill in using his own techniques. He duplicated everything in Aoshi's arsenal from the Omyou Hasshi to the Kaiten Kenbu Rokuren. Byakko(the one who fought Sano) uses his bare fists and is an expert in any known form of unarmed combat. Lastly, Genbu(the one who fought with Yahiko) uses a staff that can be broken into a six-link nunchaku. He's the most expert amongst the four when it comes to military strategies, and he was able to accurately second-guess every move that Yahiko made against him. The foursome's names sound similar to the Four Gods of Fushigi Yuugi because they were also based on the same legend of the four beast that protected the Imperial Capital.

Fuji and Saizuchi together make up the being known as the Hagun in the Juppongatana. That's why I ranked him along with the others.

[Saitou]

Tokyo arc was the first season of RK, from the point when Kaoru and Kenshin first met each other to the time when Sano and Tsukioka went to restart the Sekihoutai, and Kenshin had to stop them. In the anime, Sony added numerous fillers(Shura arc, circus episode, train episode,etc.) so that the manga catch up.

Kyoto Arc was the second season, from the time when Saitou first appears up to the final battle with Shishio. If you noticed, Kenshin(along with Hiko) goes to a particular person's grave at the end of the arc before going home to Tokyo. That person was Yukishiro Tomoe, which bring us to...

Jinchuu* arc details the return of Yukishiro Enishi, who is on a quest to make Kenshin's life a living hell for the "crimes" he commited as the Hitokiri Battousai, one of which towards his sister Tomoe, the wife of the Battousai. The storyline of the Rurouni Kenshin OAV is actually the Jinchuu arc's Reminiscience chapter, where Kenshin tells the Kenshingumi his past prior to the invasion of the Kamiya dojo by Enishi and his comrades, fighters who also had a bone to pick with Battousai. The story starts from when Enishi arrives from Shanghai up until after the conclusion of the Enishi-Kenshin II fight, when the story fast-forwards 5 years later and the final fates of the various characters of RK are shown.

Unfortunately, the Jinchuu arc is yet to be animated. When Sony have finished animating the Kyoto arc, the Jinchuu arc of the manga was just halfway into it's run. So Sony created numerous fillers(Shougo arc, Divine Medicine arc, etc.) so that the manga can catch up. Unfortunately, the fillers weren't well received by the majority of the RK fandom and Sony stopped airing the episodes after episode 94(episode 95, the last recognized RK TV series episode to date, was released in video) due to poor ratings. Watsuki-sensei was said to be very displeased himself with Sony's treatment of the RK anime, and as a "peace offering" Sony took the already finished Reminiscience chapter of the Jinchuu arc and turned it into what ended up to be the Rurouni Kenshin Reminiscence Edition OAV. There are various rumors that Sony has plans of animating the Jinchuu arc, but they're unconfirmed as of yet.

*Jinchuu doesn't actually exist as an actual word in the Japanese language, but is Enishi and company's bastardation of the word Tenchuu. Tenchuu("heaven's judgment") is the message often left by Battousai and the Ishinshishi on the corpses of their targets, and expressed their intentions of delivering the justice of heaven with their own hands. Jinchuu, with the word "jin"(man) substituted for the word "ten"(heaven), means "man's judgment", which literally speaking means "if heaven spares you, we will bring judgment ourselves". It signifies a totally opposite kind of justice, one more personal than business. Revenge would be an appropriate word to decribe it.



[Edited by Saitou on 10-03-2000 at 03:58 PM]

[Totnak Boy]

Originally posted by Saitou
Seiryuu(the one who fought with Saitou) uses a halberd(some form of Chinese spear/lance, I think).

A halberd is sorta like a sphere, although the edged tip is curved so as to the effect of a scythe, but the halberd's edge is smaller. There are some halberds that even have three curved edges, just like what that skull-stealing enemy of Hell Teacher Nube is using.

The foursome's names sound similar to the Four Gods of Fushigi Yuugi because they were also based on the same legend of the four beast that protected the Imperial Capital.

Well I kinda caught that already.

Fuji and Saizuchi together make up the being known as the Hagun in the Juppongatana. That's why I ranked him along with the others.

Pero my point remains that how would you rate Fuji (and Saizuchi) when in fact he didn't have any chance of proving his skills? Plus he has an enormous physique which adds to the improbability of ranking him along with the others. But anyway, yeah, I know, these ranks are mere guesses, so no point ranting about them. Gomen. ;)

[dna]

is it still affordable? i envy u guys who get who enishi et al is, my only exposure is very recent only on cable...
so how much should i expect to shell out?

also, a ?: what does "succession technique" mean?

thanks

[Saitou]

totnak boy: Fuji is an exceptional swordsman. Hiko even commented on the excellence of Fuji's strike after he blocked it, and that if Fuji was instructed by Hiko even further that Fuji would be an even more impressive swordsman. Fuji is quite durable too, as even Hiko's Kuzuryusen(FAR more stronger than Kenshin's Kuzuryusen, which is enough to send bad-asses like Shishio or Enishi flying) barely managed to bring him down. Don't let the anime fool you: Hiko did not use a reverse blade when he fought Hiko. When Hiko struck Fuji with the Kuzuryusen he did so without holding back, and as he says later it was Fuji's immense size that absorbed the force of Hiko's move. As Yahiko said, he does not show mercy for anyone, unlike his "stupid pupil" Kenshin.

My point when I ranked him is that it would take at least the caliber of any of the fighters ranked above him in order to take him down.

dna: I get most of my manga translations from the internet, and I once go to this site that had scans of all the chpaters, but it's under reconstruction as of know. Check Anipike's General Information links on RK to find the translation sites that you would want.

A sucession technique(or "ougi" as RK would put it) is the strongest/ultimate technique of any kenjutsu school or any school of fighting, or just the strongest/ultimate technique of any fighting style. Examples would be Kenshin's Ama Kakeru Ryu no Hirameki(Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu's ougi), or Saitou's Gatotsu Zero Shiki(the strongest variation of Gatotsu he could possibly refine from the original technique).

[Bostsip]

definitely the Shishi-o Arc fight.

1) fight between Saitoh Hajime and Kenshin before they battled Shishi0

2) fight of Aoshi and Kenshin

3) battle of Soujiou-kun with his innermost feelings

***

OT:

ueah, i watched Ninja Scroll..ganda ng fights dun

Did u watch End of Eva? Ang ganda ng laban ni Asuka with the last Angel..

[Saitou]

After watching the Shishio-Kenshin fight on AXN last night, I felt like I just have to get this off my chest: the English dub is HORRIBLE. The main problem is the changes that have been done in the script, which makes the characters say things they weren't supposed to say, and thus makes them act out of character. Kenshin himself is the worst casualty. Kenshin's English VA doesn't capture the gentleness and humbleness normally associated with Kenshin(unlike the Japanese VA), and instead ends up being overly-righteous and extremely sarcastic. He also says stuff that Kenshin is not supposed to say, like in the Soujirou-Kenshin II battle("I'll kill him if I have to").

What's bad about this is that ABS-CBN gets their script from the English dub, and thus it sounds even badder in Tagalog. Really sad.

[Kurama]

Originally posted by Saitou
After watching the Shishio-Kenshin fight on AXN last night, I felt like I just have to get this off my chest: the English dub is HORRIBLE. The main problem is the changes that have been done in the script, which makes the characters say things they weren't supposed to say, and thus makes them act out of character.

What's bad about this is that ABS-CBN gets their script from the English dub, and thus it sounds even badder in Tagalog. Really sad.

my sentiments exactly. they turned misao from a cute ninja girl into a monster. bleh. and kenshin! he sounds like a dork. i feel it is only kaoru (not in the early episodes, though) and yahiko who are decently voiced.

axn has a lot of good animes on air or will be aired, but they gotta find somebody who can do better voice-acting. *cringes at the thought of you're under arrest!*

[vash]

thanks for the info dude!!!!

here's another question i have to ask

so in the start of the enishi confrontation (manga) how many and how much did you buy the comics? and where is the cheapest that's been written in japanese? some of the manga that's been sold in greenhills had chinese written on it.

thanks

[out of order]

i agree, the english dubbing hurts the story of RK. i remember that in the RK movie with English sub, when the rebel leader died, the fighting artist said to the soldiers "you should be glad you are alive..." or something like that. but in the English dub, it was "go play with your toys" or something like that... it lost a lot of drama right there

[Saitou]

vash: I've never bought any RK manga. I only read translations done on the manga on the internet, and look at the scans done on the manga. As for other information, I get it from the SASSE mailing list, where some other RK fanatics subscribe too.

out of order: Another thing I hate about the dub on the "Requiem for an Ishinshishi" movie is the scene where Saitou kills the rebel that betrayed Shigure. Saitou compares the rebel to a bat, not a weasel. And then he so menacingly states that "Your(traitorous rebel) time will come soon. I don't know when and how, but it will come". After the rebel tries to get a cheap shot in and Saitou kills him instead, Saitou matter-of-factly replies "See? I told you your day would come. Aku, Soku, Zan". When the rebel falls to the ground, the only thing he can do is mutter his killer's name: "Saitou Hajime". In the English dub, they change it to Saitou telling the traitor to "draw your sword". What's up with that?!

Kurama: Kaoru's voice is another casualty. Like Kenshin, she's great on battle scenes(even surpasses the Japanese version, IMHO), but fails in the dialogue parts. her intonation never changes, whether it's a dramatic or comedic moment. Her English VA also reminds me too much of Lynn Minmae from the Robotech anime I watched in Star World six years ago. Come to think of it, she IS Lynn Minmae from Robotech. I've always hated that character.

The AXN dub on You're Under Arrest isn't THAT bad, compared to some of their other shows(Flame of Recca, anyone?). I'm kinda waiting to see the appearance of the VA who does Tamahome and Recca. Although he's basically crappy, his asinine voice is kinda hilarious to listen to.

[Totnak Boy]

Originally posted by Saitou
After watching the Shishio-Kenshin fight on AXN last night, I felt like I just have to get this off my chest: the English dub is HORRIBLE. The main problem is the changes that have been done in the script, which makes the characters say things they weren't supposed to say, and thus makes them act out of character. Kenshin himself is the worst casualty. Kenshin's English VA doesn't capture the gentleness and humbleness normally associated with Kenshin(unlike the Japanese VA), and instead ends up being overly-righteous and extremely sarcastic. He also says stuff that Kenshin is not supposed to say, like in the Soujirou-Kenshin II battle("I'll kill him if I have to").

What's bad about this is that ABS-CBN gets their script from the English dub, and thus it sounds even badder in Tagalog. Really sad.

that's why it's so worth it to rent video tapes/VCDs (if any) of these good animes. I watched the whole Shishio story and the OAVs in Japanese, and I must say the dubbed version pales in comparison. Kaya kayong mga guyz, go na sa Otaku! (nyak nagplug daw)

[gokou]

Definitely the Saitou-Kenshin fight. Silang dalawa ang pinaka-tigas na characters sa Rurouni Kenshin, next to Seijuro Hiko. Walang daldalan, talagang laban lang. Maganda din *** laban ni Seijuro at ni Fuji, maiksi lang pero idol ko kasi ang master ng Hiten-Mitsurugi Ryu. Dapat siya ang bida! Walang binatbat sa kanya si Shishio. Hmmmm, "Rurouni Hiko" pwede! Sana ma-animate na *** Enishi arc!

[Saitou]

Here's another Rurouni Kenshin English dub "masterpiece", based on the dialogue between Soujirou and Kenshin during their battle. The dialogue enclosed in parentheses is the subtitled version done by the Shinsengumi subbers based on the original script, while the one above it is the English script. Thanks to Jollibug of the SASSE for this, BTW.

S: Why are you hesitating Himura? Let's face it--you
can't win unless you finish me off.
(What's this? Aren't you going to finish me? Do you
think you've won?)

K: I don't wanna hurt you and I don't think you wanna
hurt me either. You try to cover it up. Still I think
you're just a scared little kid. Killers aren't born,
they're made. I can see you've been influenced by the
wrong teacher, but it's not too late. I can help; just
try to keep an open mind. First you have to accept
that you're on the wrong path, then you have to face
your fears. You've used your anger as a weapon when in
fact you've never really wanted to hurt anyone in the
first place. Soujirou, am I getting through to you?

(You said I didn't protect you back then. I can't even
begin to imagine what you've been throuh, but I can
guess. Deep inside of you there's a part that regrets
what you've done. You never realluy wanted to live the
life of a killer, I can feel it. But if you can put
those things behind you you might be able to start
over.)

Flashback
S: If you're strong, you live; if you're weak, you
die. Is it possible that this lesson which is the
basis of Mr Shishio's philosophy isn't really true?
Accdg to my sensei, any uncertainty when facing an
opponent is a fatal error. That's why I've never
questioned any of his orders, just carried out my
missions. The truth is, though, Himura's right. I
kiled people when I didn't really want to, but I can't
stop now, I have nowhere to go and nobody to guide me.
How can I function--I feel like I'm ebing ripped in
haf by two horses.

(The strong live the weak die. Shishio taught me those
true words. But is it that wrong to be weak? I've
killed all those people but i never really wanted to.
I didn't want to kill...true I might have been smiling
that rainy night...but...the truth is...I was crying.)

S: I reject you! I know your game. You're trying to
defuse me! You know I can beat you!! So you're messing
up my head hoping I'll slip up and make a mistake.
It's not gonna work--I see throught your plan. Yo
almost had me fooled. Very smart. Now no matter what
you say, I'm gonna kill you! [brandishes sword] This
is it. say godbye. Your time is up.

(Interfering! Himura san! Your existence disgusts me.
You're driving me crazy fighting with you. I don't
care what's right or not, with my next stroke, I'll
kill you! [brandishes sword] Get that out of my face!
I'm ready. Prepare yourself for death.)

Sano (thinking): I sure hope Kenshin ca handle him,
but I'm really concerned abt his lightning speed.

(He's using the Battoujutsu. His right hand dropped a
little but his speed is what's this fight is about.)

S: I'm gonna take pity on you Mr Himura. I'm going to
kill you fast. I'll use my quick heaven [stroke]. I
assure you you won't feel any pain.

(I call this technique shun ten satsu. So you won't
even feel yourself die.)

K [reaaally smug tone]: Soujirou, I suppose you expect
me to thank you, but you'll pardon me if I don't. I
have a plan of my own and it doesn't involve my death.
In fact, I'm even wondering if you can carry out your
plan consiering how well you need to perform. I don't
plan to just stand here, y'know.

(You'll start with the Shuki-chi, coming in using the
Tenku Battoujutsu, and it'll come at once. Yes, very
fitting--it deserves to be called Shunten Satsu. But
can you do it with your emotions in turmoil?)

S: Yeah, so what? I'm not worried weather you fight or
not, the outcome will be the same.

(I get it--you can read and anticipate evrything. You
have plenty of strength left in your mind.)

Sano (thinking): I don't know how Kenshin stays cool.
he's the best warrior I've seen but this kid Soujirou
moves like he's possessed. If it were me standing
there, i don't think I'd be so confident. He must see
something I don't. To me this kid'd as lethal as a
snake.

(Sano: You dumb-***, of course he's got strength left.
He just got done fighting Aoshi, now he's being
taunted by someone who's barely trying. You're doing
it again--you're not fighting like you want to win.)

S: You're supposed to be good, but I'm younger and my
refelexes are faster. That's life. Or in your case,
that's death. No one maintains their edge forever.
It's time to retire, you old man,

(Why do you have to think of other people instead of
yourself, Himura san? With the speed of my
Shuntensatsu, even if you can read it, there's nothing
you can do.)

K: I see. Well, in that case I won't be needing this
[sheathes sword].

(I see. Well then, I'll do this [sheathes sword].)

Sano (thinking): He's not giving up. He's positioning
himself. Yes! He's gonna pull a sword battou-style
6-5! there's only one strategy he could be planning.
He's gonna try and fake the kid out!

(He put it back--that's the Battoujutsu! In the middle
of a showdown, the Battoujutsu can only mean one
thing--HMR succession technique AKRNH!)

S: So, c'mon. That's it?

(He's serious now.)

Kenshin: Why, are you surprised? You're right. I can't
live forever. All I can say is, whatever you're gonna
do, make it quick. Let's see if you're really as good
as you claim.

(I'm always seroius, otherwise no one will take me
seriously.)

S: Believe me, I am. I admire your courage in
accepting the inevitable.

(I understand, so I'll fight seroiusly as well.)

Sano (thinking): He really thinks Kenshin's giving up.

(Everything comes down to this.)

Yumi: He's got to learn, it's the only way.
(Fighting with all their strength.)

S: There is much about Mr Himura that I admire. But
the old must make way for the new. His words not to
kill again proves he's weak. It's just as Mr Shishio
says--only the strong survive. His death will prove he
was right all along. It's showtime.

(If we don't fight each other with everything we have,
even when I win, I have no real answer. Is he right,
or is Shishio sama right? My Shuntensatsu will answer
that. Here I come.)

Yumi: His speed's amazing!
(He disappeared. This is it.)

Sano: I can't follow him!
(Shuku chi!)

Yumi: Himura's just as fast.
(Their speed is practically even.)

Sano: I knew Kenshin would fight back. I only hope his
strategy pays off.
(That means the battle's gonna be decided by...the
power behind their techniques!)

Sano: Are you alright, Kenshin?
(How are you Kenshin?)

K: What about Soujirou?
(How's Soujirou?)

S (gasping): I guess...my technique...isn't as good as
I thought. Perhaps my philosophy is flawed as well. I
can't believe that a man devoted to non-violence could
be as strong against me in a face off one to one.
Apparently I've been wrong about everything.

(The tables ahve turned since the Shingetsu village.
With that non-killing attitude, have could you have
such a perfect counter? I don't think it's fair.)


Yumi: Don't say that boy, it's not true.
(Not fair at all...Boy)

S: A building is only as strong as its foundation, and
mine is real efective--I see it clearly now. Real
strength doesn't come from your ability with a
weapon--it comes from your inner voice. I ignored that
inner voice all these years, and now I have to pay the
price. I guess I have to find a path to strat over.
Will you be my guide Mr Himura?

(To make right a building that was built incorrectly,
I'll have to destroy everything, right Yumi? I was
wrong. This battle gave me my answer. Himura san was
right, right?)

K: I'm sorry Soujirou. It's not as simple as someone
telling you "this is right or that is wrong." That's
how you got in trouble in the first place. You see now
that the toughest warriors in this life aren't the
ones with the greatest strength, or even the ones with
the fastest reflexes. The toughest warriors are those
who have the will power to put down their swords and
find a more constructive answer to life's challenges.
I can't provide that answer--you'll discover it
yourself as you make your way in the world.

(No I wasn't. I just won the fight. The stronger man
isn't always right. That's what Shishio thinks. If
one made mistakes, the truth wouldn't surface only
after one or two fights. Real life isn't that simple.
You're still young. You can still find your own
answers by atoning for crimes committed, by living
your life.)


S: Like you did. I understand, Kenshin. You'll be my
role model, I promise I'll do my best. Someday, I hope
you'll be proud of me. But more that that, I hope I'll
be proud of me.

(Kinda like you do? You're too strict Himura san.
You're not going to make this easy for me. You're a
harsher taskmaster than Shishio san.)

K: I have a feeling you will.
(Really?)

[overdrive]

ang galing ng mga fight scenes sa OAV la akong masabi, simply the best.

[dapogs]

ako rin ako rin lahat gusto ko, YAAHHHH.

[miko]

kayo rin?! ako DIN!!!! ang ganda kasi nag pagkadrowing, tapos yung mga moves... ang cute!!!!!! :) :) :)

[Steven20]

Shogo Amakusa vs. Kenshin

Well the fight wasn't really all that spectacular... but what made it really cool for me was the story leading up to that fight. I liked that storyline better than Shishio, the Black Knights or those crappy Fung Sui episodes.

[f1dreamer]

where can i buy a complete set of anime (samurai x) vcd's in manila? what shop can you recommend? and can anyone give me ideas on how much these vcd's cost. para sa kapatid ko lang to and i have no idea about these anime stuffs. tnx.

[Saitou]

Go to Comic Alley: it's a shop in Virramall in Greenhills.

[pinhead]

sa Farmers, pag baba mong MRT station sa left side, original VCD kaya lang medyo mahal....if u want a "cheaper" one, try mo sa EGI building sa taas (4th floor yata) located yung EGI bet. taft and buendia.

[f1dreamer]

tnx.. ano ba yang egi building? mall ba yan? more details about the location naman.. tnx :)

[f1dreamer]

saitou... magkano yung vcds sa comic alley?

[Saitou]

Originally posted by f1dreamer
saitou... magkano yung vcds sa comic alley?

300 per VCD. If that's too expensive for you, there's a shop on the third floor that sells RuroKen VCDS for the same price, but you get a free VCD for your trouble. I don't know if their selections is as good as Comic Alley's, though.

[tetsuya komuro]

try mo sa University mall sa 4th floor theres a shop there that sells it for only 250 but i think u still have to order it but the good thing bout it is that its only for one day ^_^

[f1dreamer]

ayan, meron pala sa university mall... what titles would you recommend that i order? wala akong alam dito eh.. basta ang alam ko samurai x ang sabi ng bro ko., tnx ;)

[Conan]

Guys, pwede magtanong? Alam niyo ba kung anong nangyari sa final episode ng Samurai X sa AXN? Di ko kasi napanood eh!

[xyzseaman]

Originally posted by f1dreamer
tnx.. ano ba yang egi building? mall ba yan? more details about the location naman.. tnx :)

Malapit siya sa AMA-CLC Buendia Branch, believe me, you'll never miss it

[Moiraine]

P300 per VCD ilang episodes? Original lahat ng benta sa Comic Alley hinde ba?

Magkano ba ang DVD?

[tetsuya komuro]

Originally posted by Conan
Guys, pwede magtanong? Alam niyo ba kung anong nangyari sa final episode ng Samurai X sa AXN? Di ko kasi napanood eh!

sabi ng friend ko si yahiko na raw ang mag te-take over. he has an even spikier hair-do dan before. sabi ng friend ko astig raw itsura niya eh. si sano naman naging criminal. c megumi sa tokyo daw ata napadpad. dats all he told me eh ^_^

[tetsuya komuro]

Originally posted by f1dreamer
ayan, meron pala sa university mall... what titles would you recommend that i order? wala akong alam dito eh.. basta ang alam ko samurai x ang sabi ng bro ko., tnx ;)

i think the best titles is the oav series of rk. d best talaga iyon. unless ur thinking of buying the whole set. ^_^

[Saitou]

Moiraine: It's 2 episodes per VCD. I don't think they're selling the original copies in Comic Alley.

tetsuya nomuro: The ending you're talking about is the manga ending, which is the true ending to RuroKen. The ending Conan was talking about is episode 95, the last RuroKen TV episode that was never aired. Basically, it's just a filler episode where the various "couples" in the main cast(Kenshin/Kaoru, Sano/Megumi, and Yahiko/Tsubame) hang around doing stuff. In Comic Alley, episode (% is sld in a VCD along with wither OAV 3 or 4(I forgot).

[Moiraine]

94 eps/2= 47 VCDs
47 x P300 = P14100
WOW
Idagdag pa ryan yong ep 95, oavs at movie.

Saitou I asked them kung orig yong audio CDs nila, oo raw (sana naman totoo!) and I remember the girl there saying something like "we don't sell fake, lahat orig." Call me weird, pero kahit gano ko kagusto mapanood yong OAVs (Tomoe!!) at movie at episode 95 ayaw kong bumili o manood ng hinde original na dvd/vcd. Sana ipalabas nalang sa AXN (I wrote them about it, they just ignored my letter :lol: ) at ulitin yong movie sa HBO.

[Conan]

There's a "real" ending to it? I'm not really into anime, pero I have to admit I've been watching Samurai X. Sorry if I sound stupid, pero what's a "manga" ending? Also, what's an OAV?

[i]
tetsuya nomuro: The ending you're talking about is the manga ending, which is the true ending to RuroKen. The ending Conan was talking about is episode 95, the last RuroKen TV episode that was never aired. Basically, it's just a filler episode where the various "couples" in the main cast(Kenshin/Kaoru, Sano/Megumi, and Yahiko/Tsubame) hang around doing stuff. In Comic Alley, episode (% is sld in a VCD along with wither OAV 3 or 4(I forgot).

[Moiraine]

Hi Conan! "Manga" loosely means comics in japanese, so the manga ending would be the ending in the comics. Anime (meaning animated) is what you see on TV or tapes. I read that the story of RK somewhat differs in the manga and anime versions, but I really wouldn't know because I don't read manga.

I got this definition from the internet:
OVA or OAV (Original Video Animation or Original Animated Video) – animé released exclusively on LD, DVD and VHS tape which permits companies to target a particular audience in a way that is not financially or socially possible with TV or movie releases. This version is usually a one-hour "special" of the serialized version of an animé title.

[tetsuya komuro]

hey i has anyone here have the rk best collection? errr...has anyone of you guys ever heard of *******? :)

[metalli_girl]

well...all I can say is RK is one of the best animé ever made and every fighting scene exerts this certain emotion of the real kenshin and his batusai side. everytime he moves, there's just something spectacular bout him. hehe!

[completenonsens]

Am I glad I happened to bump into this thread!
Nothing beats finding out that many other Pinoys
love RK the way I do. :silly:

As for my two cents worth...
The best fight award goes to Saitou and Kenshin.
Less talk, more action. It really gave me
goosebumps. But I have yet to see the Enishi
and Kenshin fight. That might give S&K a run for
their money. ;) Actually, all the fights are
incredibly good. There's Aoshi and Kenshin,
Soujiro and Kenshin, etc. Each one of them has
just the right combination of raw emotion and
cool moves.

I agree with what the other PEXrs already said
about the disgusting dubs and translations,
hypothetical battles, etc. Great thread!

Is Saitou still here? Hey man, thanks to many
of your posts, I now know more about my fave
series.

[Noel Vera]

I watched the Shihio episodes and was impressed.

Read through Saitou's posts, and am even more impressed. I would also like to see the Revenge arc animated. It sounds like an impressive way to round up Kenshin's character: what if he faced an opponent who was not just evil per se (I don't know if Enishi is or not), but has a real reason for hating Kenshin--hating some crime Kenshin committed in the past, as the Battousai?

I'll try dig out or download the manga.

What I like about the animated series is the sheer intricacy of each duel--as if each confrontation is a chess game where the players probe each other's strength and weaknesses, try out old gambits, develop new strategies, improvise on the spot.

I also like the dialogue, pre-battle. There's a point to why they're so long--Kenshin feels out his opponent, tries to gauge his emotional temperature, his reason for fighting. This is where the battle is usually won, not in the actual fighting--Kenshin's compassion helps him understand his enemies, and this identification, becomes at a point so intense that he actually can guess his opponents next move--all from some intuitive apprecation of the enemy's feelings, philosophy, motivations. Kenshin rides a fine line here--he has to appreciate his enemy enough to predict his actions, yet not too much that he ends up joining the enemy. It's a balancing act between Kenshin's empathy and his steely resolve.

The camerawork occasionally rises up to this same high level. I can cite the scene of Kenshin and Kaoru in the rooftop, where the camera pans up to the night sky, spins around a bit, then comes back down...but this time behind them, looking over their shoulders.

Also, the shot of the defeated Shoujiro, talking about rebuilding a house from the foundation, and the camera free-floating unsteadily in front of him...something like a house in a flood, torn from its foundations...

Then there's the very simple shot of Kenshin near the end of his duel with Shishio. Kenshin simply stands there while the camera slowly tips over to the side, the effect of which makes Kenshin appear as if he's hanging from the top of the frame looking down, his breath harshly rasping. A more eloquent image of exhaustion I can't think of.

There are many great battles, but as for my favorite...I don't remember the name of the child or the winged Ju Pon Gatana he fought, but that was such an uneven fight--trainee against experienced killer--that the outcome was all the more miraculous. And the child didn't just beat him with some superior technique--he thought to himself "What would Kenshin do?" and used his imagination.

I do have reservations. The cartoony way the characters sometimes look is meant to break the seriousness and inject humor, and totally accepted practice in Japanese anime, but it feels cheap. Miyazaki does a much better job of characterization, at least on this point.

Nevertheless, wonderful stuff.

[Saitou]

I just watched the RuroKen OAV again, and here are some of the key differences in the manga/original version and the OAV version of the Remembrances chapter:

The cross scar

In the original/manga version, Tomoe doesn't complete Kenshin's cross scar herself. The tanto flies from her hand, completing Kenshin's cross scar accidentally.

Kenshin's fight w/ the Yaminobu in the forest

The version of this battle in the manga is MORE VIOLENT and MORE ACTION-PACKED, compared to the OAV version.

In the original/manga version, Kenshin was mercilessly killing the Yaminobu in order to save Tomoe.

In the OAV version, Kenshin has next to nothing in terms of fighting spirit while facing the Yaminobu and was just killing aimlessly instead of purposely.

Enishi witnessing Tomoe's death

In the original/manga version, Enishi wasn't in the battlefield the entire time and arrives just in time to see Kenshin accidentally kill Tomoe along w/ Tatsumi. His hair literally spikes up and turns white in grief.

In the OAV version, Enishi was in the battlefield the entire time. His hair doesn't spike up and turn white in grief.

Shishio's appearance

[note: Shishio makes a cameo near the end of OAV 4, when he slaughters Iidzuka, the Ishin Shishi traitor, at the behest of Katsura.]

In the original/manga version, Shishio uses the Mugenjin in killing Iidzuka, literally burning the traitor into ashes. He gives a few words that gives us some insight into his personality, which even then was already overly-ambitious and twisted as hell.

In the OAV version, Shishio kills Iidzuka w/ an ordinary sword and doesn't say anything. Katsura doesn't even mention his name and barely any information about him, except that he was the one who was going to replace Kenshin as the Ishin Shishi's shadow hitokiri.

Enishi's last scene w/ Kenshin

In the original/manga version, in the conclusion of the battle of Toba Fushimi(w/c won the war for Kenshin's Ishin Shishi faction), Kenshin sees a glimpse of a white-haired Enishi staring at him w/ eyes full of vengeance. A taste of things to come, if you will, of what's in store for Kenshin in the Revenge arc.

In the OAV version, Enishi doesn't make an appearance at the end of the battle of Toba Fushimi.

Kenshin's married life w/ Tomoe

The original/manga version give us insight into how Kenshin developed the house-keeping skills he showcases later in the TV series, such as his remarkable skills when it comes to dealing w/ children. Sony removed all this details from the OAV version.

[ZiNGLoN]

sino merong mga soundtrack ng RK? san kayo nakakabili aside from Greenhills? I bought 4 cds na and i want to collect all of them kaso nga lang d ako makahanap ng ibang CDs. kung meron kayo dyan tell me naman kung saan nakakabili. thanks.

[maranina]

Woahhh!!! that's kewl!!! Dami nyo atang alam ah...

[rockbottomed]

Maganda yung laban ni Kenshin and Enishi.
Lalo na yung second match.
Ang ganda pa nung sword ni Enishi. Pinaghalong Chinese-Japanese sword.
Maganda rin yung laban ni Kanshin and Saitoh.
Ok sana kung magkaroon ng Saitoh VS Aoshi match. Sino kaya ang mananalo?

[shazlene]

the enishi saga is great.. anyway i just want to mention this here.. sana di na lang napatay ni kenshin si tomoe..

[ZiNGLoN]

Sinong may KENSHIN KADEN? yung ending ng Rurouni Kenshin.

[crescent]

enishi vs. kenshin! muntik na nga ako mabitin kasi kumpleto ko dati yung enishi series sa manga except yung last manga coz d pa siya nilalabas sa japan. buti na lang nung april dumating na siya sa Pinas! woohooo!!! cute ng anak nila ni kaoru!

[mpxcz]

meron bang site na madodownloadan ng mga manga series ng RK... yung with pictures and stuff..., nawala ako sa mga show ng RK e.

to those who bought the mangas, transalated na ba into english or would it be better kung bumili na lang ako ng CD series?... nakalima na ako e, yung shishio chapters.

[theSkeptic=P]

Samurai X (or Rurouni Kenshin, its orig title) is great! I've watched all the 95 episodes during the first semester (Japanese dialogues, English subbed) and man, I was really glued on my seat back then. I finished it in a week! Kenshin (or Kenshee) is so damn good with that Sakaba sword and I think the best battle was between him and Sanosuke. It's not that action-packed as compared to others but it's one of the most touching parts.. Speaking of touching, the best episode was episode 40something, when Kenshin delivered her farewell message to Kaoru during that night, while they were in a field with fireflies around them.. Damn romantic! I thought everything was gonna end there, coz the next 3 episodes or so were so gloomy..

I like its format coz unlike YuYu Hakusho and Flame of Recca, it's not just about fighting. Kenshin has really solid principles that he uses to lead other people's lives, as well as his own, as a form of "atonement" for all his wrongdoings. If everyone's gonna do that, we can go down a bumpy road easily :)

[Noel Vera]

"Kenshin has really solid principles that he uses to lead other people's lives, as well as his own, as a form of "atonement" for all his wrongdoings. "

You should read the manga NAUSICAA: OF THE VALLEY OF THE WIND.

Greatest manga I've ever read.

Reading Kenshin vs. Enishi, reached the point where Enishi beats Kenshin's succession technique...both blows. Very impressive, and simple, when you think about it. Huge shocker coming up right after that but don't want to spoil it...completely.

Just a hint: this is tthe REVENGE arc. What is the worse thing Enishi can do to Kenshin? Well he does it.

[crescent]

Originally posted by mpxcz
to those who bought the mangas, transalated na ba into english

majority of my mangas are in japanese but i do have chinese mangas (those in chinese were bought in comic alley).

[crescent]

Originally posted by Noel Vera
You should read the manga NAUSICAA: OF THE VALLEY OF THE WIND.


anong number ng manga na ito? i'm not familiar kasi with the titles eh.

[Noel Vera]

Number ng manga? I don't know, sorry.

Nabili ko ang Viz Perfect Collection, vol. 1 to 4

Check Nausicaa sa Yahoo search engine, mahanap mo yan.

[kamotejojo]

i can't hold it back anymore...
:boom:
OH MY GOD! THE BEST YUNG FIGHT SCENE/S NINA SAITOU AND KENSHIN!!! AH!!!
pinagpawisan yata si kenshin non...
kaya luv ko si SAITOU!!! :inluv:
shishio was also good. it took very long coz kenshin tried to employ his secret weapon: BRAINWASHING YOUR OPPONENT!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
i have to praise shishio and saitou for being the only ones who were not "kenshin cleansed." si enishi rin ba di natalaban? i don't know what happened sa Enishi arc kc. but i'm still hoping na i-series siya because of two reasons: 1.) nakakabading si ENISHI at 2.) I WANT KAORU DEAD!!! :devil:
yun lang po...

[sheik]

I saw the OAV only after when I had already seen Samurai X: The Movie and, the entire series (Samurai X) twice on T.V (AXN). From a fan-natic perspective, I think it’s better this way. It gives you a sense of: “So that’s how it happened,” instead of having the impression: “The series is way too loose, sanitized and humorous as compared to the epic treatment of Rurouni Kenshin in the OAV.” Though Samurai X is arguably the best anime series today, I’ve a few grieviances…

In honesty, the way Samurai X (Anime) handled some aspects of the different story arcs was disappointing. Guilty parties here include the 1.) Shogou Amakusa storyline, 2.) the Black Knights and the 3.) Feng Shui episodes. For starters, the fact alone of Kenshin facing another seemingly gifted and skilled swordsman of the Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu technique could have been a classic. Okay, the treatment of events leading up to the final confrontation was superb, touching even (The bond between Sano and Shogou’s sister). But the final battle was lame. It didn’t give any justice to Kenshin’s opponent. What we saw was a flash and the next thing is that Shogou was sprawled in the dirt with a gash in his chest. In comparison, the first encounter between them was better, giving us a glimpse of what Kenshin’s opponent could do (using Kuzuryuusen Ryu with Kenshin negating the attack by countering with his own move). A definite waste.

The Black Knights storyline could’ve been better if Kenshin got to face tougher opponents, or, at least, seemingly invincible villains the likes of Shishio or Enishi. Also, the prospect of Kenshin fighting European warriors by itself alone was already intriguing. I think everyone would agree that nothing’s more exciting than waiting for the moment when two adversaries would meet and engage in a thrilling sword fight. Shogou Amakusa could’ve given such a challenge, though inevitably, Kenshin would’ve beaten him using Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki. The Black Knights also could’ve provided a memorable finale, given half the chance. Now for the Feng Shui angle, you can forget about sword fighting altogether. This storyline made Kenshin look pathetic, turning him into a bystander while the two clans fought each other with mystical weapons and artifacts. Looking at how these episodes were crafted gives me a much clearer idea on why they weren’t supposed to be animated in the first place.

What were the best Samurai X fights? I’d have to go with 1.) Kenshin versus Enishi, 2.) Kenshin versus Saitou in the Kamiya Dojo and, 3.) The numerous fights animated in the Shishio storyline. Kenshin versus Enishi was the best because, as Saitou here has said, it had a definite winner. (I’m trying to avoid spoilers here) Also, the treatment of drama and conversation in their duel was superb. It was effective in a sense that it made you understand the depth of Enishi’s pain and the kind of justice he wanted. Personally, I really didn’t think of Enishi as a villain in the same mold of a, say, demonic persona like Shishio. To top it off, the action was without peer. Enishi is what I consider the perfect opponent to bring out the best in Kenshin. Not only can he not grow a conscience, but he also has the skills to challenge the best Hiten Mitsurugi Ryuu can offer. Kenshin versus Saitou in the Kamiya Dojo is a close second. No fancy tricks here. No super powerful moves or hidden techniques even. This is the closest thing on the series to touch the fighting methods of the OAV Hitokiri. I think I can compare the sword fighting here to a Rocky slugfest. The fighting matches in the Shishio storyline (Soujiro, Aoshi, Saitou, Shishio) were superb. I think it would be safe to assume that they defined the direction of the Anime series. The Revenge Arc should be animated, OAV style.

[Saitou]

sheik: the storyline arcs that you're refering to were fillers created by Sony in the anime. That's why they sucked.

[vash]

thanks saitou for visiting this thread all the time. this thread was brought up beacuse of your informative insights. this will suck if it weren't for you. thanks talaga pare hope i could meet you personally in the upcoming pex parties.

[_PriMe_]

hi ya..
saito, cud u brief me with *** happnd during the Enishi-Kenshin fight part II? so did kaoru really died? who won the fight... kenshin ryt???
tnx!

[Saitou]

_PriMe_ : Those are like spoiler-heavy questions. To find out the answers for yourself, go here:

http://users.deltanet.com/~newcomb/ruroken.htm

or here:

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/stanford/130

[varrus]

i havent watched much of Rorouni Kenshin (tama ba spelling?) most fight scenes i watched are skirmish, dialogue, skirmish, dialogue, skirmish, Himura is victor (!!)
From the posts in this thread marami pa pala akong na miss. Napanood ba ninyo yung Ninja Scroll? Sino mas mabangis si Kibagami Jubei o si Himura Battousai?

[*]

both jubei and himura are great fighters ...in my opinion, jubei. :D

[mpxcz]

just finished reading the revenge arc, well it really brought out better things about himura and enishi altogether... too bad they had to end it that way...
i even thought that himura would have one final battle with saitou, they had one of the great fights in the story... still saitou remains the one person himura wasnt able to let turn back form the old ways... their fight would have been awesome... o well sorry for the spoiler

[vash]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saitou
Seiryuu, Suzaku, Byakko, and Genbu were the Su Hsing(Four Gods), a group of fighters who served as bodyguards to Wu Heishin(#2 to Enishi in the Shanghai mafia, where Enishi is #1). They squared off with the other four members of the Kenshingumi at Enishi's island prior to the rematch between Enishi and Kenshin. Seiryuu(the one who fought with Saitou) uses a halberd(some form of Chinese spear/lance, I think). He is an expert at counterattacking any known technique, and he was able to sucessfully defeat Saitou's Gatotsu. Suzaku(the one who fought with Aoshi) uses two Chinese swords. He can duplicate any technique of his opponent perfectly and even surpass his opponent's skill in using his own techniques. He duplicated everything in Aoshi's arsenal from the Omyou Hasshi to the Kaiten Kenbu Rokuren. Byakko(the one who fought Sano) uses his bare fists and is an expert in any known form of unarmed combat. Lastly, Genbu(the one who fought with Yahiko) uses a staff that can be broken into a six-link nunchaku.

Saitou, can you help me out? i wanted to know and name which one were the four gods. i've seen 5 men who are following enishi.

so who are these people?

- the big guy with the cannon on his arm

- the one who fought with yahiko

- the one that looks like carnage

- the one that has a skull mask and has a machine that fought against kenshin

thanks for helping me out

[kernel salonpas]

yo saitou... where do you get your manga scans? i've gone tired of looking for them in the anipike links. thanks. :nerd:

[human_vibe]

Originally posted by Saitou
On a another matter of interest, there were two other storyline arcs that Watsuki-sensei had planned that never managed to see the light, because he had other matters to attend to:

- the first is tentatively called the Hokkaido arc, where the Kenshingumi head to Hokkaido to face a new crisis. Other characters in continuity(Anji, Soujirou, Enishi) also return to aid the Kenshingumi, as well.

- the second one takes place many years into the future, where a twisted and evil Himura Kenji(son of Kaoru and Kenshin) faces off with Myoujin Shinya(son of Yahiko and Tsubame) for the right to Kenshin's sakabatou shinuchi, and the title of the sole inheritor of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu.

ako RiN!! mukhang dami mo mong alam!!! :lol: username mo palang mukhang hapon kana E!!!!

[Saitou]

Originally posted by vash
Saitou, can you help me out? i wanted to know and name which one were the four gods. i've seen 5 men who are following enishi.

so who are these people?

- the big guy with the cannon on his arm

Kujirinami Hyougo, one of the Six Comrades. He fought and lost to the Hitokiri Battousai near the end of the Bakumatsu no Douran, getting his arm severed in the process. The Battousai refused to kill him, and he felt that he was "dishonored" by being "cheated" out of a warrior's death.

Originally posted by vash - the one who fought with yahiko

Otowa Hyouko, one of the Six Comrades. Nakajou, a close comrade of his in the world of killers and assassins, was one of the fighters who died fighting the Hitokiri Battousai in the forest of barriers, while he was trying to rescue Tomoe.

Originally posted by vash - the one that looks like carnage

Yatsume Mumyoi, one of the Six Comrades. He was one of the fighters that fought the Hitokiri Battousai in the forest of barriers, while he was trying to rescue Tomoe. Because of the Battousai and the Ishin Shishi's victory at the end of the Bakamatsu no Douran, the Tokugawa Shogunate was destroyed and Yatsume's clan, who could've become prominent with the help of the Tokugawa Shogunate, suffered.

Originally posted by vash - the one that has a skull mask and has a machine that fought against kenshin

Gein, one of the Six Comrades. He was originally the Ten sword known as Iwanbou, until he revealed himself to be a man inside a state-of-the-art mechanical doll. He joined the Six Comrades for the same reason that he joined Shishio and his organization, and that's because that he wishes to be at the side of one who smells of comba and warfare, where he feels his skills as a mechanical artist would be used most effectively and enjoyably.

The mechanical doll that Gein used in the Six Comrade's battle with the Kenshingumi is his new-and-improved Iwanbo III.




[Edited by Saitou on 04-05-2001 at 08:40 AM]

[Saitou]

Scans of the manga version of a pre-burned Shishio Makoto killing Iidzuka:

http://www.geocities.com/thosewhosin/Chapter179/05a.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/thosewhosin/Chapter179/06a.jpg

[SoliduS_AlphA]

hey mag set kaya tayo ng EB para manood tayo ng mga RK oav ? ok ba yun ? then magtayo na rin tayo ng PEX anime club ? or RK club na lang ? marami kasu ang naghahanap ng mgaOAV atiab pang RK stuff so ok ba yun ?

[nadesico]

the best fight??? hmmm...for me the one with the following:
shishio
saito
aoshi

[dna]

i've just very belatedly read a translation of Watsuki's Meteor Strike one-shot...

where can i see the actual art on the web? if you know, let me know, thanks/.

[Bhaal_spawn]

I think the best fight for me in Rurouni Kenshin is Enishi versus Kenshin both battles but I really loved it when Enishi crouched the Amakakeru ryu no hirameki...Anyway, I'm a big Enishi fan so I'm biased...But I consider this the best fight ever...

For the Anime, I like the battle of Saitou and Kenshin because its plain ol' sword fighting...

I have a question: Can u possibly do Enishi's hair? if yes, how?

[SoliduS_AlphA]

one of the best fight was in Kenshin vs Soujirou

....

[teardrp]

i think the best fight is between saitoh hajime and himura.they almost killed each other.you must read the manga to really appreciate it.himura was really determined on killing okita.i posted a site where you guys can download the manga but i forgot where i posted it.i think it's on another thread.pero di complete ang mga to.these sites has still have a long way to go.but if you liked the anime you'll like this too!

[SoliduS_AlphA]

eto may laban kaya ito sa mga slasher ng RK ?

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/5892/ukyoflash.gif

does he have a chance ?

[Poten]

Dude, I can't see your pic. Geocities doesn't anymore allow remote linking.

[kane_warhead]

Does anyone of you know Jubei and Amakusa were real?

Yagyu Jubei lived in 15th century while Amakusa was.....

Do any of you guys watch Hakkenden: Legend of the Dog Warriors?

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/4369/index.htm

[shmuck]

nybody interested in buying VCDs of RK? for P200 per 2 episodes only... we have d complete series..

english subtitles.. japanese language

also d OAV where he got d cross shaped scar..

[vash]

hey solidus alpha can you pls tell us who's the guy you are showing us with the pic u just attached. we have no idea what's in it because there is nothing to see.

[Shun_Ukiya]

for me piiiiiinaakagusto kong battle ni kenshee yung kay Shogo Amakusa wala ng iba(pero second yung kay Hajime Saito nung Meiji Era...HE!HE!HE!HE!HE!HE!HE!):rocker:

[Shun_Ukiya]

Pic ni Kenshee and Cri and........I....forgot the name eh.......

[ZiNGLoN]

Favorite ko yung laban ni Kenshin at ni Saitou sa Kamiya Dojo. Talk about fair fight. At walang kaartehan tulad ng mga laban ni Soujiro at ni Shogo Amakusa na halatang talo naman si Kenshin.


Sa lahat ng laban ni Kenshin:

Saitou Hajime: Undefeated

[longshot_21]

whatever happened to the boy who was with saitoh nung meiji era? sino ba yun?

what happened to saitoh anyways after the shishio saga?

[Y_U_J_I_N]

Gusto ko rin rin kung laban nila ni Saitou

[bich]

Originally posted by longshot_21
whatever happened to the boy who was with saitoh nung meiji era? sino ba yun?

what happened to saitoh anyways after the shishio saga?

soujiru seta....

saitou... he's alive and kenshin knows it... police pa rin ***

[ZiNGLoN]

Originally posted by bich


soujiru seta....

saitou... he's alive and kenshin knows it... police pa rin ***

nde si Soujiro Seta yun. yung bang kasama ni saitou sa Shinsen Gumi na mukang Soujiro? nde sya yun. i forgot his name. at saka sabi ni Nubohiro Watuski dun sa manga, sya yung ginawang model para magkaroon ng Soujiro Seta.

[Shun_Ukiya]

can somone send naman a PIC of CORI and Kenshee wed na sila!!!!!!PLEAZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D

[Shun_Ukiya]

C:\West\kencouple22.jpg may movie na ba na wed na cna kenshee at cori??????

[Y_U_J_I_N]

D ba Kenshin yun, hindi Kenshee?

[true_steppers]

magandang battle ni kenshin e yung kay saitoh!!
and also with enishi natalo ang ama kakeru niya sa first match nila..... sayang at wala na sa series yun at sa comics na lang

[bich]

Originally posted by ZiNGLoN


nde si Soujiro Seta yun. yung bang kasama ni saitou sa Shinsen Gumi na mukang Soujiro? nde sya yun. i forgot his name. at saka sabi ni Nubohiro Watuski dun sa manga, sya yung ginawang model para magkaroon ng Soujiro Seta.

nagkamali... thnx for correcting me... kala ko kc *** kasama ni shishio... un pala ni saitou.... heheh

galing nga... magkamukha *** ni soujiru.... thnx ulit

[bich]

Originally posted by Shun_Ukiya
C:\West\kencouple22.jpg may movie na ba na wed na cna kenshee at cori??????

sa manga lang meron e... punta ka doon sa forums sa movies and tv... may thread doon fav samurai x quotations or kenshin and kaoru or kenshin and tomoe... not sure pero
may pic doon ni kenshin and kaoru with their child KENJI!

[bich]

Originally posted by true_steppers
magandang battle ni kenshin e yung kay saitoh!!
and also with enishi natalo ang ama kakeru niya sa first match nila..... sayang at wala na sa series yun at sa comics na lang

gusto ko nga rin makita un e... sana gumawa *** ng bagong OAV... continuation... heheh

[Shun_Ukiya]

C:\West\kencouple34.jpg
this yung buntis na c CORI!!(tell me somebody if you can c this PIC??!!?)

[bich]

di ko makita *** pic....

[Shun_Ukiya]

bich pano ba??? sa kin meron namang image......

[xyzseaman]

The Kid with Saitoh during the revolution? His name is Okita. Kenshin almost killed his punk @$$ but Saitoh came in to stop Okita from getting killed.

Okita: (after a minute or so fighting with the Battousai) (panting)

Saitoh: "Stop, boy!"

Okita: "But Master Saitoh--?"

Saitoh: "You don't have a ghost of a chance against a man who have smelled so much blood..."

Saitoh: (Doing his stance, facing Kenshin) "have at you...."

SCHWING! SCHWING! SCHWING! (Guess who won ;) ...for now...)

I have yet to see what happened to Okita after 10 years...the story said that Okita was killed in one of the battles but, hindi sinabi kung namatay siya in the hands of the Battousai....

[longshot_21]

cool....... OKITA pala. will we ever know what happened? and sino nanalo sa saitoh and kenshin duel at the end of the ova???? DRAW BA??

My fave would have to be saitoh vs shishio. overmatched si saitoh pero laban pa rin!! cool nung sequence with the sounds. parang sya yun last chance!!

hey, are there movies? parang sa dragonball na out of the timeline?

dream match ko........
-aoshi vs saitoh (naglaban na ba?)
-sanosuke vs saitoh (round 2?)

[xyzseaman]

That was with the Samurai X (Betrayal Episode) after that slo-mo effect with Kenshin and Saitoh clashing with swords, nagbago yung scene where Kenshin with the other revolutionaries, taking a rest in a small house....I thought Kenshin killed Saitoh. (Napanood ko kasi yung Samurai X muna, bago yung Rorouni Kenshin na TV series)

[xyzseaman]

Just curious...shouldn't this thread be in TVs or something or Hobbies? Nagtatanong lang.....

[Shun_Ukiya]

http://geocities.com/rkgallery/kenshin/10.jpg

[ginoledesma]

There is an existing thread on this... You might want to visit the:

Samurai X (best fights) (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=10086) thread instead.

This also ought to be merged with that thread. :)

[drei_matari]

I haven't watched the Kenshin-Saito battle, naabutan ko na lang yung scene na nag-intervene yung general to remind Kenshin about the ongoing war headed by Shishio, tapos sinabi niya na Saito was actually a police.....


Anyway, here is my favorite Kenshin Battle among others, at hindi lang isa, ha....


1. Kenshin vs. Sano - I was really amazed for both of them. Sano is really a great guy, for using that BIG weapon to fight against Kenshin. And I also admired Kenshin dahil nakayanan niya yon.


2. Kenshin vs. Hanya - remember the dreaded man with a mask? Yung may ability na magkaroon ng illusion na humahaba yung kamay niya?

3. Kenshin vs. Cho - this must be Kenshin's most dangerous battle, na halos ikaputol na ng body parts niya ( kung di siya ganon kagaling... :D ) Could you imagine a man using a sword na kasing gaan ng papel pero mas matalas pa sa kahit anong sandata na maiisip. But thank God anyway, dahil natalo siya ni Kenshin through reverse-blade sword ( Karma siguro para kay Cho... dahil nakaw lang yung espada niya, he he he he :p ):cool: :cool:

[mongee]

Saito vs. Kenshin pa rin! I caught it again in AXN. It gave me goosebumps. It was fierce and brutal. I also realized that if it weren't for Kenshin's reverse-edged blade, Saito would have been decapitated in the dojo!

But I have to agree... Saito is a tough man for Kenshin to defeat! Pag hand-to-hand combat, siguradong talo si Kenshin!

[mongee]

Originally posted by drei_matari

3. Kenshin vs. Cho - this must be Kenshin's most dangerous battle, na halos ikaputol na ng body parts niya ( kung di siya ganon kagaling... :D ) Could you imagine a man using a sword na kasing gaan ng papel pero mas matalas pa sa kahit anong sandata na maiisip. But thank God anyway, dahil natalo siya ni Kenshin through reverse-blade sword ( Karma siguro para kay Cho... dahil nakaw lang yung espada niya, he he he he :p ):cool: :cool:

I remember this battle! I believe this is his most enraged moment. Pano ba naman... batang walang kalaban-laban eh papatayin ni Cho. Kenshin did the close-up Hiten Mitsuruugi Ryu and perfectly avoided Cho's paper-like sword. Cho was totally scared of the Battousai at that point... he even called him "a devil" if I remember correctly. Thank goodness it was a reverse-edged sword.

[bich]

kenshin vs enishi... sana ilagay sa 2nd OAV ng rk... gusto makita e... *** sa manga palang ok sobra... what more pag animated na....

[chictaz_7]

I agree with bich, best Samurai X fight is not from the series but from the manga itself... Kenshin Vs. Enishi. sa manga pa lang sobrang galing na di lalo na kung ilalagay sa OAV.

Actually kasama siya sa 2nd OAV. Because the second OAV is about the Jinchuu Arc. This is going to be best Ruroni Kenshin ever.

[bich]

sure ba na jinchuu arc un 2nd OAV, sana nga...

[gokou]

The 2nd OAV is about Kenshin's rurouni years. It happens between Tsuioku Hen and the RK Series. I think the 2nd OAV is called the "Star Mist Arc" :jap:

[dna]

t happens between Tsuioku Hen and the RK Series. I think the 2nd OAV is called the "Star Mist Arc"
What's the Tsuioku Hen?
There was no manga specifically about Kenshin's rurouni years right? So this is something beyond the manga again?
. I think the 2nd OAV is called the "Star Mist Arc"
Is this the direct translation from the japanese web site? just curious.

[chictaz_7]

I'm getting confused... :confused3: somebody told me it was about the Jinchuu Arc which was the continuation of the 1st OAV. Now, its different? :wondering:

HELP!!!! :help:

Tell me what's it really about...

[Saitou]

Originally posted by mongee:

Kenshin did the close-up Hiten Mitsuruugi Ryu and perfectly avoided Cho's paper-like sword.



The technique that Kenshin used to defeat Chou was Ryuu Kan Sen Tsumuji.

Originally posted by gokou:

The 2nd OAV is about Kenshin's rurouni years. It happens between Tsuioku Hen and the RK Series.



Is that confirmed?

Originally posted by gokou:

I think the 2nd OAV is called the "Star Mist Arc"



A better translation would be "Passage of Time Arc".

Originally posted by dna:

What's the Tsuioku Hen?
There was no manga specifically about Kenshin's rurouni years right? So this is something beyond the manga again?



The Tsuiko Hen(Remembrances Arc) are in volumes 19-21, chapters 165-180 of the manga. The manga and OAV versions of the story also have vast differences among them.

Originally posted by chictaz_7:

I'm getting confused... somebody told me it was about the Jinchuu Arc which was the continuation of the 1st OAV. Now, its different?

HELP!!!!



The 1st OAV was based on the Tsuiko Hen(Remembrances Arc), which was part of the RuroKen manga's Jinchuu Arc.

Originally posted by chictaz_7:

Tell me what's it really about...



Nobody knows for sure what the 2nd OAV is all about.

[thehitman]

Second OAV...cool! Any idea on the release date?

Sana gawan nila ng OAV yung buong revenge arc. Gusto kong makita yung laban ni Kenshin vs. Enishi at yung laban nina Aoshi, Saitoh, Sano, and Yahiko vs. the four gods (kuno)...

[Saitou]

Second OAV...cool! Any idea on the release date?



The tentative release date for the 1st episode is 19 December 2001.

[RaP]

Shun_Ukiya, i-attach mo na *** *** pic sa Reply to Topic page :D

wow cooL ! 2nd OAV ! http://s19i.hypermart.net/images/smilies/suave.gif

[RaP]

http://s19i.hypermart.net/images/knk3.jpg
Too much love can hurt you.

[bich]

d na nga ako makapagintay e..

[shiniduo]

ang hirap naman ng forum na to well anyway eto ang mga fave kong laban sa "Rurouni Kenshin"
1) saito vs. kenshin- sobrang angas at syempre nag battosaui on si kenshin(tv series)
2) shishio vs. kenshin-syempre ksama 2 ala movie style pa ang final fight nila
3) amakusa vs. kenshin-2 master ng ama kakeru ryu no hirameki nag laban!!!
4) aoshi vs. kenshin(2nd fight)-medyo baduy kse 1st fight mas madugo ang 2nd battle nila
5) misao,kaoru(cory) vs. kamatari-wala *** nakakaewan kse laban nila
6) soujiro vs. kenshin-astig sobra nto :rolleyes:

p.s.
bket mali-mail ang tramslation ng AXN ?!?

[charcoal]

kenshin vs shishio
If I stay here any along, Miss Kaoru and the others will be in danger. Whenever I become Battousai.
But to the government and to Shishio’s faction, to all the people who bear a grudge against Hitokiri Battousai, Battousai is all that I am.

kenshin vs jin' eh
. . With Jin’eh, I became Battousai to save you, and your voice brought me back. But with Saitou, I became Battousai only for the sake of the fight. And so your voice couldn’t even reach me. The difference is crucial.

[dA^mAtRiX]

I'd just like to ask....

I was able to watch the 4 part Samurai X OVA, and at the last, when Kenshin and Saito were battling it out, I don't think a clear winner was shown.

I'd just like to know who won during that battle, which would seem to be their first encounter?

Thanks

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by dA^mAtRiX
I'd just like to ask....

I was able to watch the 4 part Samurai X OVA, and at the last, when Kenshin and Saito were battling it out, I don't think a clear winner was shown.

I'd just like to know who won during that battle, which would seem to be their first encounter?

Thanks

the last time i watched the OVAs was like well over two or three years ago (of course it was fansubs not commercial anime) but logic states that it was a tie since both are still well and alive in the TV series. gets?

btw anyone here played the kenshin fighting game? such a lame game. sigh. it had so much potential yet the developers just relied on the name.

[loc0]

I played that sorry excuse for a fighting game. Gives Kenshin a bad name.

[jenEcis]

saan console nilabas??? chaka pde b idownload un and saan site... tnx

[terry ilaes]

i got the playstation version direct from the cd-cd. i dunno which site offers the game and we kinda got attached to our new frisbee. :p

[dA^mAtRiX]

so it was a tie?

well.... sometimes, in the series, whenever characters in samurai x do an attack like that, you know when they charge each other? e.g. saito v' shishio and kenshin v' meldrez, it takes a few seconds before the injured party starts to give.

at least in the series, when the next battle between kenshin and saito happened, saito lost :)

[terry ilaes]

the kenshin-saitou match was scripted. saitou could have easily slit kenshin's ball.s while smoking some darlems and still smell and look good. :p

may angal?

:smoking: aku soku zan...

[Bhaalspawn]

the kenshin saitou match was not a tie...its just they have to go seperate ways kse the chosuu is retreating and kenshin needs to help the people who were injured and escaping outside town...Due to that the battle was unfinished...

Samurai X is such a korny title...Rurouni Kenshin na lang tawag nyo...

About the fighting game, yeah it really sucks tapos hanggang kay Saito lang...tapos aoshi isang kodachi pa lang...

[dA^mAtRiX]

which one was scripted? the first or the second match?

i was never able to play any other sword fighting games except for namco's soul blade. i think it was cool.

can u guys suggest any other sword fighting games? for the playstation?

and i don't really have a playstation.... i just have this connectix virtual game station. will they work?

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by Bhaalspawn
the kenshin saitou match was not a tie...its just they have to go seperate ways kse the chosuu is retreating and kenshin needs to help the people who were injured and escaping outside town...Due to that the battle was unfinished...


postponed tie what's the difference. no one won no one lost.

Samurai X is such a korny title...Rurouni Kenshin na lang tawag nyo...

:handsdown:to you. hehehe it packs more cheese than kraft dinners. :lol:

About the fighting game, yeah it really sucks tapos hanggang kay Saito lang...tapos aoshi isang kodachi pa lang...

the fighting engine was practically non-existent. :D

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by dA^mAtRiX
which one was scripted? the first or the second match?


:hmm: you're funny. i just wanted to say that saitou's a better swordsman than kenshin. :lol:

can u guys suggest any other sword fighting games? for the playstation?

the first bushido blade was awesome. try it. :) there's also that game snk made. never really tried it but it look fun and it should be cause snk made it.

[Bhaalspawn]

hehehehehe...cge na tie na sya...

Anywayz, other sword fighting games for PS...

1.) Soul Blade (or Edge)
2.) Samurai Spirits (or Showdown)
3.) Toshinden
4.) Rurouni Kenshin
5.) ??????? (others na nde ko alam)

[loc0]

That fighting game that SNK made is Last Blade. It'll remind you of RK in more ways than one. I don't think Last Blade 2 came out on the PSX, it's so much better. Another sword fighting game for the PSX is Star Gladiator but I don't know if you'd like it.

[loverboy974]

i think saito lost... that's why he's so pissed at kenshin all the time. he even tries to get him killed while battling shishiyo.. sinabi nya un plano nya ke ayoshi diba?

[_aNd_rAe_]

there was a match between this shogo amakusa guy and this guy who was fond of swords that was formerely one of shishio's henchmen, did the latter get killed in their match?

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by loverboy974
i think saito lost... that's why he's so pissed at kenshin all the time. he even tries to get him killed while battling shishiyo.. sinabi nya un plano nya ke ayoshi diba?

hey i'd be pissed too if the guy won't give me a full rematch. just imagine someone you fought a really good player in tekken or basketball then it got postponed and when you finally meet up again he/hmm she doesn't want to give you a rematch.

[dA^mAtRiX]

i never really saw kenshin and saito battle it out in the series, but i was able to view a "music video" of their fight. and i think that during their fight, kenshin gave it his all.... as kenshin, but not as the battousai or hitokiri saito fought 11 years earlier.

[loverboy974]

Originally posted by terry ilaes


hey i'd be pissed too if the guy won't give me a full rematch. just imagine someone you fought a really good player in tekken or basketball then it got postponed and when you finally meet up again he/hmm she doesn't want to give you a rematch.

haha! o nga e! pero mas maporma kaya lumaban si saito! mas magaling lang si kenshin! bwisit naman bakit pa kasi babae un boses nya sa jap version e! mas maganda 2loy un eng version

[Bhaalspawn]

sus ok lang yun...pero Saito and Kenshin ay BANO...Yukishiro Enishi pa rin ang the best swordsman that can beat the hell up sa lahat ng rk characters...

BTW, Katana-gari Cho didn't die on their battle between Shougo...wounded...

[Sorsha]

nobody won ... actually that was an intro to what's going to happen in the Shishio saga. :D

[Zhashiki]

Uhm..…the OVA series was meant to explain the upcoming events of the new season (Shishio saga) in the RK series. At the end of the 4th episode of the OVA, Saitou and Kenshin's match ended with a draw…unfinished .

That's why, in the series, Saitou grabbed the opportunity for a rematch when the current government assigned him to see and convince Kenshin to assassinate Shishio. But once again their battle was cut short to a tie (but I think Kenshin was already winning) when it was interrupted by the arrival of Okubo Toshimichi (who was later on assassinated by Soujirou Seta).

I think the battle between Kenshin and Saitou is one of the best fight scenes in the whole series. Because this is where you get to see Kenshin's real rage…where (as he fights with Saitou) he battles the inner conflict inside of him resulting to his Battousai self to reawaken. And also because it's the only chance you get to see him fight with his hair down! Really Cool! You have got to admit Saitou Hajime's Aku Soku Zan makes him a formidable adversary :smokin: even for a legend such as the Hitokiri Battousai but sometimes I wonder after learning the Kuzu Ryu Sen and Ama Kakeru Ryu no Hirameki would Kenshin finally beat Saitou if they finally engaged in a rematch? I think it's quite obvious…He Will. *okay* :jap:

[dA^mAtRiX]

so is there anymore ova's about RRK out there? is the "movie" shown in hbo a long time ago and just a few weeks on axn's monday anime counted as an ova?

so, until now saito and kenshin haven't finished their match? i thought kenshin won, since he was able to hit saito on the nape?

is saito still alive in the series? i last saw him disappearing in the exploding shishio battle arena.

Yukishiro Enishi --> who is this? i haven't really seen all the characters in RRK, because i'm not really able to watch RRK "religiously" :) somone please shed some light.

[bich]

da^matrix:

Enishi Yukishiro is the younger bro of tomoe yukishiro, the first love of kenshin himura. In the first OVA, enishi was shown as a kid and hates kkenshin so much. Enishi is probably a good swordsman since he was able to block kenshin's amakakeru ryu no hirameki..

*** samurai x movie, e movie un.. parang filler lang ***..

*** rk OVA.. un *** parang pag explain sa revenge arc ni enishi... i suggest read some manga scans.. marami kang malalaman.... ^_^x

saitou is still alive!!!

btw, may 2nd OVA ang rk.. ipalalabas sa dec 19.. :)

[Bhaalspawn]

wow...updated ka pala bich...

As an Enishi fan, he didn't block the amakakeruryunohirameki...he EVADED it...and killed kaoru in the process...gusto nyo ng pic nun?

saitou is still alive but didn't fight kenshin after jinchuu arc...

[loverboy974]

ey bich.. san ipinalabas un Enishi laban? im a big RRK fan pro since ginawa nilang japanese un sa AXN d na ako masyado nanonood!

btw, have u guys seen Ninja Scroll? galing sobra ni Kibagami Jubei!

[Bhaalspawn]

Geez, you call yourself an RK fan?! You don't appreciate the jap. version for pete's sake...I guess you rather call Yahiko- "Yoshi" and Kenshin as Kenshee...Sleez!

Anywayz, dec. 19, 2001 pa release ng OAV for ENISHI...probably mga jan. or feb pa makakarating dito yan...

[gokou]

The next RK OAV isn't about the Jinchuu Arc. It's about Kenshin's Rurouni years. Meron pala akong pwede makausap tungkol sa Jinchuu dito. :D

Bhaalspawn: which Kenshin vs Enishi fight did you like better? the first or the second?

[shiniduo]

Originally posted by loc0
I played that sorry excuse for a fighting game. Gives Kenshin a bad name.

may nakita ka n bang pirated ng game na yan? gusto ko kasi mlaro kahit *** rpg lang...:D

[shiniduo]

Originally posted by Bhaalspawn
wow...updated ka pala bich...

As an Enishi fan, he didn't block the amakakeruryunohirameki...he EVADED it...and killed kaoru in the process...gusto nyo ng pic nun?

saitou is still alive but didn't fight kenshin after jinchuu arc...

can you give me the pic gusto ko kasi makita...kung pwede lang:D

[Zhashiki]

WOW! :wow2:I haven't been in touch with the latest on Rurouni Kenshin:depressed:
I've only been hearing about it...How Enishi was able to defeat Kenshin's ultimate technique Ama Kakeru Ryu No Hirameki

bich paano mo nalaman na Dec.19 ang release ng susunod na OAV? Are there any news online about RK that I can visit? Kasi my friend told me like a year ago na meron na daw second OAV of RK in the making. I was wondering, what would this be all about?At kung ganon, itutuloy ba ang series with a new season?

Bhaalspawn, Gokou ahehe...forgive me but what is the Jinchuu Arc? Yun ba yung tungkol kay Enishi? So namatay ba si Kaoru? I thought nagka-anak na daw sila ni Kenshin? I'm really interested about the fight between Kenshin and Enishi!!! :| :weep:
So do you guys have the manga? Where do you get to read about this? hehehe....konting spoilers naman dyan :D :jap:

[loc0]

Originally posted by shiniduo
may nakita ka n bang pirated ng game na yan? gusto ko kasi mlaro kahit *** rpg lang...:D

Nope, my neighbor just has a burned CD of the game, I don't know where he got it. It has FMVs of scenes that weren't in the series, but the rest of the game is pure crap. I don't know of any RK RPGs, I'm not a big fan of RK, I just enjoy watching the series.

[bich]

Originally posted by loverboy974
ey bich.. san ipinalabas un Enishi laban? im a big RRK fan pro since ginawa nilang japanese un sa AXN d na ako masyado nanonood!

btw, have u guys seen Ninja Scroll? galing sobra ni Kibagami Jubei!

di *** ipalalabas.. hehe :p y not read some manga scans...

[bich]

Originally posted by gokou
The next RK OAV isn't about the Jinchuu Arc. It's about Kenshin's Rurouni years. Meron pala akong pwede makausap tungkol sa Jinchuu dito. :D

Bhaalspawn: which Kenshin vs Enishi fight did you like better? the first or the second?

yup.. tungkol daw *** next oav sa pageend ng rk.. gusto ko makita c kenji lumaki.. hehehe brat daw kc *** e..

[bich]

Originally posted by Zhashiki
WOW! :wow2:I haven't been in touch with the latest on Rurouni Kenshin:depressed:
I've only been hearing about it...How Enishi was able to defeat Kenshin's ultimate technique Ama Kakeru Ryu No Hirameki

bich paano mo nalaman na Dec.19 ang release ng susunod na OAV? Are there any news online about RK that I can visit? Kasi my friend told me like a year ago na meron na daw second OAV of RK in the making. I was wondering, what would this be all about?At kung ganon, itutuloy ba ang series with a new season?

Bhaalspawn, Gokou ahehe...forgive me but what is the Jinchuu Arc? Yun ba yung tungkol kay Enishi? So namatay ba si Kaoru? I thought nagka-anak na daw sila ni Kenshin? I'm really interested about the fight between Kenshin and Enishi!!! :| :weep:
So do you guys have the manga? Where do you get to read about this? hehehe....konting spoilers naman dyan :D :jap:

jinchuu arc is the series after the shishio arc in the manga.. sa series di ito pinakita.. sayang... di namatay c kaoru(pagkaaalam ko lang) dahil kay enishi... and yup nagkaanak ***... search ka nalang sa google bout the manga scans..

hanapin ko pa *** manga scan kung san na "evade" (thnx bhaal) ni enishi yung amakakeru!

about the OAV... pinakita sa RK official site!

[master_deej]

hey ano link nyang RK official site?
anyway sa jinchuu arc kaoru did not die, parang clone lang yata ni kaoru pero akala tlaga ni kenshin patay na si kaoru.. pero dahil kay aoshi na prove nyang hindi sio kaoru yung namatay..
so tungkol san ba talaga yung upcoming OVA nang RK? enishi?

[dA^mAtRiX]

wow! so many replies in the past 2 days!

there is a RRK official site? where can i find it?

so how do i look for manga scans? i just type in "manga scans" and that's it?

so not all of the manga are made into the tv series? is the episodes in axn close to the last episodes of RRK?

[bich]

http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/Movie/TV/Kenshin/index.html

dyan nyo malalaman ang info tungkol sa bagong OVA

[Bhaalspawn]

Paano ba magpost ng pics...para malagay ko dito yung iskinan ko sa RK manga...

[bich]

dun sa pag post mo ng reply.. nanddun *** sa attach file.. kaso dapat di gaanong malaki *** file

[bich]

ngayon ko lang pala naalala sabihin..

kung **** nyo makita c enishi e.. tingnan nyo lang *** avatar ni bhaalspawn.. :D:D

:handsdown:

[SpiP]

pinalabas lang ni enishi na pinatay nya c kaoru e
hehehe :)

o nga masmgnda pag rurouni kenshin tawag kaysa samurai x...

[bich]

pag tinawag kcning samurai x.. parang x na talaga un.. hehh :glee:

[Kaoru_Himura]

about the Saito-Kenshin re-match (the one at the kamiya dojo)..I think Saito originally had the upper hand but not so much that he came close to killing Kenshin. We have to remember that Kenshin was a Rurouni for many years while Saito was still at the top of his game. So if we're talking about skills, Saito's was still very sharp..but in terms of pure swordsmanship prowess..KENSHIN is the man :glee:

Kung sa first match naman, it certainly wasn't a tie..pag tie kasi ibig sabihin walang mas magaling. Natigil lang yung laban, that's it.