MVP race: Too Stat Based?

[TwIsTeD_Rubz]

Don't you people think that the race for the MVP in the PBA, or any league for that matter is too much based on stats? Just because a player gets to play more games and raise his stats, he wins the MVP (like in the PBA?) don't you people think that the race should be based on votes like it is in the NBA?

I think that people are putting too much emphasis on a player's stats. People should put more value to a players real value to a team. He may not score as much as the next guy but he may be more important through his contributions.

What do you think?

[AnthonyServinio]

I help compile the statistics of the National Basketball League (NBL). It involves not only getting the team and individual totals but I also help the coaches, media and television panel analyze the numbers through through averages and ratios.

Actually, statistics serve only as a guide in the selection of our post-tournament awardees by a committee composed of representatives from the NBL and the media. It does not mean that topping the stats race means an award although most of the time, it happens.

We give more attention to the Player All-Around Value (PAV) and not the total accumulated Statistical Points (SP's).

SP's are computed as follows:
Point scored = 1 point
rebound, assist, steal, block = 2 points
foul without award = -1 point
turnover, foul with award = -2 points

PAV is computed as follows: SP's/(Minutes Played/20)

Of course, a player has to log a minimum number of playing minutes to be included in the list of candidates for honors.

[derecho_lasalle]

Stats can never be bribed or cheated...they are fixed numbers, but people can. Some players treat the media well coz they know that their votes mean a lot. Once human intervention comes in...alam niyo na yun...pinoy pa. :rolleyes:

[nastrans]

Yeah unfortunately ganito sa Pinas, sa NBA yung mga sports writters na bumoboto talagang mabusisi sila at talagang trabaho walang paki kung may impact *** players sa kanila.

[scqg]

it's really hard to solve this matter. coz if you use votes as basis, sometimes popularity might set in..or even bribery..and people will complain of bias or whatever..

using stats as basis, there's a more solid proof or evidence that will justify the choice of an mvp..simply because stats can never be tampered and it really shows how a player does in different aspects of the game..

each one's point of view will always differ from one another..whether we like it or not, using statistics is still the safer method in choosing an mvp..votes can be a criteria but stats should be given more emphasis in the selection process.

i think one part that i don't agree with the pba in counting of the statistical points is the bonus points given to players who belong to a team that has more wins..sometimes it's crazy to find out that even the second stringers get into the top20 simply because they gain big advantage for the numbers of wins their team has.

[scqg]

[coydeleon]

Originally posted by scqg
it's really hard to solve this matter. coz if you use votes as basis, sometimes popularity might set in..or even bribery..and people will complain of bias or whatever..

using stats as basis, there's a more solid proof or evidence that will justify the choice of an mvp..simply because stats can never be tampered and it really shows how a player does in different aspects of the game..



I agree. But maybe it would help if stats were valued according to position. Perhaps give more props to guards who make more steals and assists, coz you can't expect those two stats to on par with big men's rebounds and blocks.


i think one part that i don't agree with the pba in counting of the statistical points is the bonus points given to players who belong to a team that has more wins..sometimes it's crazy to find out that even the second stringers get into the top20 simply because they gain big advantage for the numbers of wins their team has.

I think what they're trying to avoid is having certain players who are in very bad teams thus giving them boosts in their stats. But I see your point and I'm sure there is another way to avoid both predicaments.

[color_s_Kaboink]

oo nga stats based masyado.....


but maganda yung post ni anthony

i go for the PAV!!

[Krakista]

A lot of things don't show up in stats like leadership, defense and court presence. In offense, successful picks or screens that frees up a shooter or a cutter; in defense, causing bad shots and turnovers. I think the PAV should be supplemented with qualitative ratings on these things that don't show up in the stat sheet. Even stats presented don't tell the whole story. I would like to know who are the leading scorers in the 4th quarter or just the last 5 minutes of a game, and who among them has gotten into more tight games in the 4th quarter and delivered?

Statistics can also be padded. Laker Elmore Smith averaged over 5 blocks a game in the 1973-74 NBA season. 5 bpg was more than any other player in a single season but he's never regarded as among the all-time greats in defense. More recently, ex-Cav Ricky Davis intentiontally missed a shot to get his own rebound to get a triple-double. Smith's blocks were padded in the sidelines, Davis' was done on the court.

Yesterday Jason Kidd was pulled out of the game with over 3 minutes to go and he needed only 1 rebound to notch another triple-double. Near triple-doubles don't count. :)