of recruitment and lasalle

[marooned]

there was a very interesting exchange of views and comments in peyups.com regarding the recruiting strategies of lasalle and other teams. it eventually digressed to differing opinions on lasalle and its standard of education vis-a-vis other schools, particularly UP and ateneo. discussion was limited however to UP students and alumni (well, mostly) as it was posted in the peyups site. interestingly enough, the exchange of thoughts was very informative and probing and intriguing. it was great to see that,though the opinions were widely different at times, all views were still respected and acknowledged.

from UP's using of san beda hs as it's poaching ground, to ateneo's attempt to get ma jian's brother, to lasalle's recruitment of big-name junior players, everything was talked about.

without resorting to mudslingings, what do you guys think? let's keep this above-board. all comments should be welcomed, basta walang pikunan.

[Kaboom!]

It seems to me that La Salle had gotten more strict with their standards this year. An good example is one of their prized rookies Derek Hubalde who was even brought to the US along with BJ Manalo for training with US NCAA coaches. Even with Hubalde being part of the DLSU team all summer long, he was forced to enroll at UST because his grades weren't good enough for DLSU.

Another player, Santa Maria who was the backup of Allado, also didn't make the grade and had to sit out this year for tutoring. When was the last time you heard of good basketball players being unable to join the DLSU team due to academic reason?

[marooned]

Actually, this is the first time I have heard of a La Sallite being unable to join the team due to academic reasons. Hooray for them, then. Winning a basketball crown is great, but it should'nt be the be-all and end-all.

[Jacob]

A few thoughts on college recruiting.

It seems DLSU is the most active recruiter in the UAAP, prying away the best junior players , mostly from the NCAA. Of course, their biggest catch is from their arch-rival, BJ Manalo. Rumors abounded about the recruitment process, some may be true, some may be not. Who knows? But call me naive, but I cannot believe a school (or its alumni association) giving an F150, house and lot to a single player. First off, that money could be better spent improving the school's facilities. Second, the local college game isn't that a money-making venture like that of the States, wherein merchandising of the school brings in big bucks. If its true, tsk-tsk.

Back to the topic, UP seems to have a pipeline from San Beda High. While Ateneo and UST tend to "grow" their own players.

I am particularly impressed with FEU and UE. They consistently get quality players that seemingly come from nowhere - unknown players that take over an established players vacancy. Case in point, when FEU and UE's lineups were raided by the MBA, guys like Magtulis, Bacani and Manabat (FEU), and Villar and Soto appeared. How's that for scouting?

[archerguy]

The rumor about BJ Manalo being rewarded with a car and a condo unit is not true. I think La Salle is not that stupid to invest more than a million pesos just for a promising player to join their team. The Office of Sports Development in DLSU tries its best to attract good players with scholarships, free uniforms, support, and of course, a very credible training. This plus the fact that La Salle's education is one of the best in the country, so it's not surprising why a Blue Eaglet would suddenly change the color of his uniform from blue into green and white.
In terms of its so-called academic requirements, it's nothing new. A lot of players have been denied admission into the various DLSU teams because of academic deficiencies. There have been a lot of similar cases like the ones of Dereck Hubalde and Santa Maria. This only shows that La Salle is also concerned with the academic growth of its players, not just their physical improvement. Take the case of Don Allado. His move of not accepting the invitation to play in the SEA games in Brunei has raised a lot of eyebrows in the sports industry. But who can blame him?? He has the right to refuse since he is currently playing for his alma mater. Even though an international basketball title is more important than a local collegiate title, we cannot deny the fact that he also has his classes to attend to. After the SEA games, the finals exam for the first trimester will start in the week after that. So people should think first before accusing La Salle of various things. I mean, argument + evidence = PROOF.

[rl]

La Salle probably has become stricter with the players in as far academics are concerned. But you've got to admit the fact that they weren't this strict before. Case in point - Johnedel Cardel and his (in)famous 56% NCEE score. And wasn't there a time when almost the entire NCC team were La Salle players? Don't tell me that they attended their classes 'regularly' back then?

[REKTIKANO]

rl,
I just want to ask how and where you got that information regarding Cardel. I mean the EXACT ncee score. We here in LaSalle don't even know that EXACT information. That's why I was just wondering where you got that info. Was it provided by our friends in Katipunan? because we have an idea already who spread those nasty rumors regarding BJ Manalo.
Regarding the NCC team. For your information, Jong Uichico, Jun Tan, Franz and Dereck Pumaren, Alfie Almario, Tonichi Yturri all graduated. So that means they must have had attended their classes regularly. I think it was only Yves Dignadice who failed to graduate. So who were you talking about? Jeff Moore?Dennis Still?Chip Engelland? surely not Elmer Reyes,Allan Caidic, Jerry Codinera, Hector Calma, Luis Brill, Samboy Lim,Al Solis etc. because these guys were not from LaSalle.
Lastly, definitely I'm not "nagmamalinis". Sure we have our flows but hopefully you guys also look at the recruiting ways of the "others" rather than single us out.

[REKTIKANO]

Marooned,
For your information, Derick Hubalde and Adonis Sta.Maria were not the first guys LaSalle sacrificed. Noli Locsin was also not allowed to play anymore after the 1991 season because of Academic difficulties. Imagine if LaSalle still had Locsin to pair with Limpot in 1992 together with Dwight Lago in that front line of LaSalle, it might have been LaSalle and Adamson (with respect to FEU) for the title match. There were still other players who LaSalle "gave up" but were not good enough for a basketball career so I won't mention them anymore. Since your user name is marooned, I'm assuming you're from UP, but I have to say this with respect to the whole UP community, another one we gave up was Bryan Gahol. Gahol already suited up for LaSalle in a pre season tournament in 1995 but 2 months before the UAAP opening went to UP because of the same reasons as with Derick Hubalde.
A sports team joins a tournament to win. Every team has that purpose. If your goal is just to foster camaraderie and promote brotherhood or just to have fun you might as well not join anymore. Of course you have to play fair to win. One good example is the hail mary squad. They saw that they really need to win that's why they have also joined the bandwagon and recruited a Fil-am or is it a Fil-jap in Alvarez. Before they never do that. Hopefully, my point is well taken. No offense meant. To borrow a line from kaboom, PEACE!!!

[Jacob]

The Gahol issue is surely an embarrasing one for us at Diliman. His questionable recruitment made it easier for me to understand his decision to concentrate on his PBL career.

Gahol's recruitment reminded me of a somewhat similiar situation which my HS classmates got involved in. This was way back in 1990, and two of my HS classmates, who happened to be varsity players of our small, private school in Malabon, got recruited by an NCAA school. They were invited to try-out. The coach saw potential in both of them but decided they are still raw for the college game. He asked them if they are willing to play for their junior team. That means, they have to repeat 4th year HS! My two friends, seeing the big risk they have to take (they're not sure if they can be successful ballplayers at the expense of postponing college), decided not to gamble their future. So what happened to them? Right now they're successful engineers, after going to a reputable engineering school in Manila, preferring to play in intrams and summer leagues. Did they make a right decision? I don't know. But would you repeat HS just to play college ball. If hoops is your career choice, maybe. But if not, probably my friends did the best thing.

[This message has been edited by Jacob (edited 07-26-1999).]

[Chuckie Reyes]

Dear Marooned

Your beloved "high quality" school(UP)
it should be pointed out recruited Bryan
Gahol in 1995 even if he FAILED the UP entrance test.

For your info, there were numerous star
recruits in the past who initially tried out
for the Green Archers but never made it since
they failed the DLSU entrance exams namely:

1. Fortunato "Atoy" Co in 1971(who eventually ended up in Mapua)
2. Alvin Patrimonio in 1985(who eventually
ended up in Mapua)
3. Omar Ali in 1997(who is now the star center of the UE Warriors)
4. Bryan Gahol in 1996(who eventually played
a UP Maroon).
5. Derek Hubalde in 1999(who now is a prized
rookie of the UST Tigers)

Even your beloved school is a recipient
of a De La Salle discard.

Obviously, a know-it-all guy like you
is not so "bright" after all.

[Chuckie Reyes]

Dear Marooned

One more thing - don't be so "proud" that you are in UP.

UP is after all - supported by the Filipino people to the tune of TWO BILLION
PESOS a year - while private but equally
high standard universities like De La Salle
are NOT given a single cent by the Philippine
Government and thus have to rely solely on their OWN TWO FEET.

So DON'T be so arrogant - at least we
from the private universities DO NOT burden
the poor Filipino People with OUR College Education - unlike you. You should be
HUMBLE instead since you are being given a FREE RIDE by the Filipino People due to the
very small tuition fee you pay UP as compared
to ours.

[marooned]

chuckie,

oh well, i did try to say let's keep this above board. other than you, everyone was replying and addressing everything properly.


just wondering, how come lasalle is always the center of all these rumors? as kaboom said, when was the last time anybody has heard of a basketball player being turned down in lasalle due to academic reasons? the mere fact that question keeps being raised even though you have the answers makes you think, doesnt it?

as for high-quality lasalle, oh well. high-quality basketball, i guess. as for my brightness, i wont even dignify that statement. everyone knows the truth about lasalle's standards.

[rl]

Right on Marooned!

Basta ang alam ko, tayong mga iskul sa Diliman (and even the U-Belt schools I think) ay hindi na-question sa recruiting, di ba? Di baleng matalo, at least hindi naman tayo La Sallista!

[Jacob]

DLSU - Di Lumusot Sa UPCAT.

[archerguy]

HEY GUYS TAKE IT EASY!

Please don't take things personally. This board was meant to foster friendly discussions about the UAAP games, and people should not take personal matters on the issue.

Chuckie Reyes: I'm a Lasallian, too and I think we should let our Lasalle values reign in us. I really think it's a shallow thing to attack a fellow university just because of a mere UAAP issue. Let's not start a word war with students from other universities ok?

Marooned: What do you know of the standards of De La Salle?

Rl: What did you mean when you said, "Di baleng matalo, at least hindi naman tayo La Sallista! ?" All of us would appreciate your explanation on this, especially us Lasallians.

PEACE!

[Jacob]

Sorry guys for my last comment.

I agree with archerguy. Stop the mudslinging and namecalling between schools. We should stick to debating about who's the better school ONLY IN THE UAAP.

[marooned]

archerguy,

you're right. i apologize. i just had to reply to chuckie reyes's comments. i did say in my first posting for an above-board discussion on this college recruiting thing. his samples were fine (co, hubalde, gahol) coz those are facts, as much as questions on lasalle's recruiting policies are okay coz those questions DO exist, whether we like it or not. however, when he got personal, that's another story. maybe, you should also ask him what he knows regarding my "brightness." his other comments, im sure, were the reasons which got jacob and rl to react. arrogance? i wonder who between me and chuckie is more so. "know-it-all?" naahhh, but compared to him, a lot of us are.

[Ginny]

Bakit ang pikon nung Chuckie Reyes????

Marooned, jacob and archerguy : Good for you for keeping your heads above the dirt, and/or for admitting your mistakes if you had done any. Marooned, jacob and rl, huwag niyo na lang patulan yung Chuckie Reyes na yon.

Basta, animo Ateneo pa din kahit dream-on lang yung team namin, hahahaha. Baka mapikon na naman si Mr. Chuckie Reyes. Basta marooned and jacob, as your next-door neighbor here in Diliman, don't go down to his level of arrogance na lang. Blue and maroon are much better than that. Sa basketball lang nila tayo talo. Their players are too good kase eh.

Regarding players, recruiting and entrance exams, just because a player did not go through the entrance exam does not mean that he could not make it through the rigors of that school. Schools allow students with exceptional talents (in music, fine arts, sports, etc) to study without going through the entrance test. Once he is in the school however, he still should prove himself. So let's give Cardel some credit. Maybe, inspite of his "infamous" (was that the term rl used?) NCEE rating, he was able to adjust and do well in actual college life. I remember my brother, who was Benjie Paras's teammate in San Beda high (though DLSU college nung brother ko), telling me how Paras had to undergo ROTC training back in college. Sometimes, being a high-profile athlete has drawbacks also because everyone notices them and they start taking a lot of heat from teachers who don't care too much for basketball. Imagine, after giving them a championship in 1986 !!!

That's it!! Remember, there is no problem being "proud" of your school, and neither is there any in raising questions that have been validated by years of intrigues. There is a problem however, when one gets pikon and one doesn't know the line that separates being proud and being arrogant. Ok Chuckie Reyes?

[don]

Hi, Ginny, I was a bit curious about "Sa basketball lang nila talo." Exactly what did you mean? Are you referring to other UAAP events? Because if you are, you may just be unaware of our wins in sports other than basketball. Especially our wins against Ateneo.

Or are you referring to academic reputation? Because if you are, it just proves that in this day and age, nasty prejudices against La Salle still persist, particularly in your circle. But for your friendly image's sake, I certainly hope this is not the case.

I knew this discussion would get ugly, but I'd hoped we'd all be mature enough not to let unfounded biases clutter this topic.

Everybody, I'd hate to belabor the issue, BUT LET'S KEEP THIS CLEAN! And if you have nothing to say but BASH La Salle (or other schools for that matter), go and get lost.

[This message has been edited by don (edited 07-27-1999).]

[This message has been edited by don (edited 07-27-1999).]

[greeneagle]

I am a La Sallite who transferred to Ateneo for college. I find myself uneasy whenever La Salle and Ateneo meet. I sit in the Ateneo side but it's hard to shake off the La Salle spirit.

Everyone has commited recruiting deals that have been questionable one time or another. Even Ateneo and UP. Remember when Ateneo tried to get Ma Jian's brother? Granted that he did not get to play in the UAAP, the point is, Ateneo still did try to recruit him and made him play in some pre-season tournament.

Ginny has a point regarding her comments on student-athletes and entrance exams. We do have to give guys like Cardel the benefit of the doubt.

Chuckie, cool off dude !! There was nothing objectionable to what Marooned originally posted. Don't tell me you are unaware of DLSU's recruiting intrigues. I don't think those rumors are true, but that's the whole point of this topic; to give light on the issue by sharing what we all know to each other.

Ateneo-UP circles generally tend to make fun and jokes of La Sallites. In the same vein, we can make jokes about them (or you can make jokes about us; my loyalty is really divided). You can choose to act with dignity and security and just ride on with their comments, or you can be extra-sensitive and make a fool out of yourself. You chose the second, and thus, you allow yourself and DLSU in general to be the target of broadsides from rl, jacob, Ginny and marooned. I doubt if none of them means what they say, but still, wala kang panalo dyan Chuckie. So dont be so onion-skinned.

Question : we always concentrate on La Salle, but how DO FEU and UE manage to get their talents? They're the ones who always come out with new, talented players. We know UST and Ateneo gets mostly from their junior team
and La Salle from NCAA junior stars and UP from San Beda. I think FEU and UE are the better schools when it comes to recruiting coz they get no-namers and transform them to dependable players.

[This message has been edited by greeneagle (edited 07-28-1999).]

[AirHare]

Greeneagle's right. How about FEU? Their 1997 champion team had 24-year old rookie named Francis Adriano, who bolted to the MBA after studying for a just a FEW months for F.E.U. Hey, Dwight Lago was 24 and he even played a couple of years for LaSalle. But I bet Mr. Adriano did not go through an entrance exam to play for FEU. Nor did Omar Ali of UE, Ronald Magtulis (formerly from FEU), and PROBABLY all the players of previous UST champion teams during the 90's.

My point is simple: different schools have different admission standards. If other schools recuit players without taking admissions test, it should not bother me at all. But these players who get pampered by their respective schools should seriously consider taking advantage of free education.

I think the UAAP should honor players who not only excel in sports but also in the academe.

[batang uliran]

AirHare:

There should be a mechanism to honor UAAP and NCAA athletes who do well academically. In the US, there is such a thing as being an Academic All American the most prominent one being now US Senator Bill Bradley - he was the best college player in the US and he was a star student at Princeton who eventually got a scholarship to Oxford. The Academic All Americans are limited to people in their School's Varsity teams who have the best GPAs especially if they are in tough courses - eg. engineering. Perhaps it is time to have something like this in the Philippines so we can give the proper recognition to athletes who do well in school despite their commitment to their sport.

[This message has been edited by batang uliran (edited 07-28-1999).]

[Jacob]

Hey, don't forget Raymond Soto! According to newspaper reports last year, he was already taking care of his father's business in San Juan before Jimmy Mariano contacted him. He had particularly a strong showing at their intrams and Mariano remembered him. Mariano was probably looking all over the place after Francis Rodriguez took 3/4s of the team with him in the MBA. Soto is around 22 to 24 years old, I think.

[gDAWAL]

Ba't hindi na nag-trash talking si Chuckie Reyes at si marooned?!? Nag e-enjoy ako sa usapan nila!!!exciting!!!


P.S. Bakit ang daming nabuburat sa LaSalle?

[Ginny]

in my own perverted way, yeah, natutuwa din ako sa trash talking ni marooned and Chuckie Reyes. i think this site is getting a lot of hits na pala, coz yung katabi ko dito sa netcafe is also in this url.

hey don, sorry, i didnt mean anything about it. i have a lot of friends in lasalle and my elder bros. also studied there. i just made that comment as pang-inis don sa isa coz ang yabang nung dating and, though the topic IS pretty sensitive, there were no problems naman before his outburst. even if sensitive the topic, we can discuss these things nicely without pikunan naman. anyway, sorry again.

[don]

Hi, Ginny, sorry I didn't realize it was just a friendly asar. I just got so pissed at some of the earlier exchanges and tired at everybody "dissing" my beloved alma mater. Especially rl's comment: "...at least hindi naman tayo La Sallista!"

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. Have a nice day!

[Jeremy Darwin]

Jacob, Hello there!
well, i don't know kung bakit galit ka sa
Lasalle kung sinabi mong

DLSU : Di Lumusot Sa Upcat

ADMU : Another Di Makalusot sa Upcat

FEU : Farating Etlog sa Upcat

U.P. : Unibersidad ng Pagpapa-palengke

;-)

[marooned]

jeremy, lol !!!

[gDAWAL]

HOY EVERYBODY! TUMAWA NAMAN KAYO SA MGA JOKE NI jeremy! nagpapatawa daw siya!

[REKTIKANO]

GDawal, tingin ko kung bakit maraming nabuburat sa LaSalle ay dahil sa inggit. Tingin mo ba kung ang LaSalle ay laging nasa lower half ng bracket e papansinin yung mga recruits namin. I just feel that people still think highly of LaSalle that they thought probably the players we had were impossible to get into LaSalle. Do you think if Cardel had played for FEU , NU and the like his NCEE score will be scrutinized? Sorry to the schools I used as examples, I have nothing against you. As one junior member here said we have our own admissions policies.

[Chuckie Reyes]

UP - Unibersidad ng Pagpapa-palengke.

Be careful when you guys are INSIDE your
campus - you might get HAZED or RAPED by your
own fellow UP students as what has happened
countless times in the past.

[Jacob]

rektikano's right. Most people (me included) cannot believe that a top three school like La Salle can be a basketball powerhouse. For most, it's an incongruity. Probably that's also the reason why nobody raised hell when Adamson went on a juniors shopping spree in 96 that netted Gherome Ejercito, Eddie Laure, Chris Madrid, Jumbo Salvador, and many others. Probably because they were losing.

[Jacob]

For jeremy: As an alumni of the country's premier State University, I strongly object to you calling UP, University of Pagpapalengke. UP stands for the following:

University of Pila (every registration day)
and University of Panghi (for the CRs).

I hope this enlightened you. Peace.

[gDAWAL]

COMEDIAN PALA ITONG SI JEREMY DARWIN!
KEEP THE JOKES COMING!

PEACE.

[Francis]

UP- Unibersidad ng Pagpapa-palengke.

[Kaboom!]

The UAAP awards a scholar athlete from each school at the end of the season. This award is not limited to basketball players and in fact most of the awardees are not.

They have a televised awards night every year which includes this award.

These athletes are picked by the administration based on their performance on the court and classroom.

Peace.

[Jacob]

Just what did Wacky Trillo meant when he said "La Salle can buy Ateneans?" during the Ateneo-La Salle match?

[MEDIAN]

Hi everyone,

I'm new here and I'm an Eagle-Alumni. I've been reading everything from this forum for the past 7 days, and I can't help myself to
dish something out to your favorite topic -
DLSU.

I don't know anything about La Salle standards, but in high school I wanted to go to college in La Salle. I took their exams and passed. But almost everyone one in my high school passed the exams(even the ones who were not doing well). I took the Ateneo exam passed and enrolled there. Only a handful of us passed that exam (There were even more who passed the UPCAT).

Well, if anything I just thinking out loud.

High School('92)

[marooned]

Well, there are other factors to consider in determining a school's standard. Although that is a common observation, I have lots of friends from high school who went to La Salle (as you said, madaming pumasa doon)and I am sure they're getting a good education pa din.

As Ginny said in another board, discussion on which is the better school would never end. So medyo useless pagusapan. Enough siguro na we're secured about the standard of our own school.

[tr|n|ty]

It's sad that people resort to name calling and mudslinging. I may have my loyalties crossed between UP and Ateneo but i still pretty much respect DLSU. Being a UP maroon and the daughter, sister and cousin of a long line of ateneans, there is a lot of familiarity and comraderie among the katipunan-loyola heights neighbors so we tend to support each other. And so what that we chose to study in UP, UP is arguably among the very best schools in the country. The mere fact that UP is the "real world" ...it is the microcosm of Philippine Society...we are not bound by the picket fenced world of other schools are in. we admit UP has more than its fair share of violence inside the Diliman campus, but this is what we chose and we live by and live through it every day. coming out unscathed and very well educated are the price in itself for most of us.
as for varsity recruitment,every school, in my opinion, has its own trick up there sleeves. I know a number of people who have been recruited by the maroons and given the VAAS just to play sports in the damn school. but they do their work, and hopefully, make better themselves if and when they do graduate from UP. it's all a game..may it be De La Salle or Ateneo or UP or UST. at least they're going through school while going at it, right??
stop the namecalling, we are more mature and more educated than that.

[REKTIKANO]

passing an extrance exam of a certain school is really not a gauge of how good a student is. How he or she performs in a certain job after he/she graduates is the real measurement. For all intents and purposes, many companies still think highly of LaSalle as a good source of employment. So this still speaks highly of LaSalle's so called standards. As marooned said, yes we here in LaSalle are still very secure with our own standards.

[The Saint]

As I recall it, Gumatay and Bryan Gahol of UP High tried out for La Salle but did not make the entrance exam but are playing for UP. Gerard Francisco and Henry Ong also tried to be Green Archers but were denied forcing them to go to UST...at least nakatikim sila ng champion. Just because the best of players choose to go to La Salle doesnt mean they are given fancy rewards. As I see it, these people who make a big deal about these recruitments would do anything to be to La Sallite...correct me I'm wrong, and please give our honest answer from the heart.

[marooned]

the saint,

about people doing anything to be a lasallite? nopes, i dont think so. i do respect la salle though, both academic- and sports-wise. i wont trade my school for yours however, as much as i am sure you feel the same way, and as much as i am sure ateneans also think in the same line.

[:)]

Inngit lang kayo because DLSU has the best players...Manalo would definitely choose DLSU over ATeneo dahil sa sa LaSALle..sikat na siya...champion pa...di tulad ng ATeneo na nanalo lang sa DLSU noong saturday ay parang nagchampion na...ang babaw!

for UP...kawawa naman kayo ...nailalayasan kayo ng mga star players nyo....like Gumatay.
pa coat and tie pa noong opening...talunana naman....dapat kasi palitan nyo na si coach Jabba da Hutt Jorge dahil di na kasya ang mga ibang players sa bench....

DLSU is the dominant senior basketball team in the 90's

[Ginny]

ever noticed how UP and ateneo people very seldom diss each other, if at all? healthy outlook toward each other, they certainly have. i hardly know a classmate in ateneo who does not respect UP, and my hs friends who have gone on to UP have this same regard towards ateneo. it's different with la salle. why? probably because they've been winning these past years, probably because of some prejudice and other preconceived notion.
my brothers studied in la salle, got good education, landed nice jobs, etc., but they complain that even in the corporate world, this popular notion of la salle vis-a-vis ateneo and UP still exists. i know dlsu is a great school (though contrary to what the saint said, in my heart, i wanted to be in lasalle only if i flunked both upcat and acet: again, because of the popular notion people, or at least those in st. paul pasig, have).

what's my point? hindi ko din alam eh, hahaha. i just wanted to share my views. let's not get too emotional however. i noticed how lasallians here are so sensitive defending their standards. sabagay, kayo lang kase yung quinestion. learn to laugh na lang at these things. my dad who came from UP just laughs at the problems of UP regarding pilas, activism, enrollment hassles and whatever it is they always complain about. same thing with ateneo; as ri said,we just laugh at our problems. sabi nga ni rektikano, be secure na lang with your school quality and no need to become overly-passionate about it. you won't change people's mind no matter what argument anybody uses naman eh.

[don]

Well, last time I checked, I'm very much secure about my school. I just can't stand being insulted, just like you. It's not that I'm being overly sensitive or too passionate or politically correct, but I won't just grin like an idiot when someone insults me and mine.

Kaya lang naman kami nade-defensive kasi may nag-o-offensive. And yes, we do get tired of La Salle being the butt of all college jokes (maski di na original). You wouldn't believe the mixed emotions I feel when I read dumb Lasallite jokes. Parang gusto kong tumawa tapos pumatay ng Atenista :). So, if anything, this BB somehow serves as the outlet for our angst and frustrations. Para kasi ang dadaming "nabuburat" sa 'min, so we want to let people know how we feel.

And we Lasallians are not self-serious, either. We're not above laughing at ourselves, thank you. Hahaha.

And yes, we also admit our mistakes. It's just that there aren't too many mistakes to admit, anyway.

[gDAWAL]

:),

FROM THE BOTTOM OF COACH NIC JORGE'S HEART AND MINE...

F*** YOU.



[This message has been edited by batang uliran (edited 09-15-1999).]

[:)]

gdawal,

bakit, nababakla ka siguro kay jabba da hutt jorge no? o baka isa ka rin hutt tulad nya. kaya naman umalis ang players nyo na sina gahol, gumatay at kung sino sino pa ay hindi dahil sa playing time..kundi sa seating position...di na sila makaupo sa bench dahil pinakyaw na ni Jorge at yung isa pang Balyenang babae doon yung maliit na bench..wawa naman...dapat kumuha ang up ng slim na coach di yung nakalululok ng 10 bola...ehheheheh!

[clawed_out]

nakakatawa naman kayo!
jeremy, hey i'm just curious bakit UP unibersidad ng pagpa-palengke? bakit? pwede pila... & i notice
:), bakit ang pikon mo?
& about the entrance test..hmmm napapansin ko lang ha... don't react violently.... eh ang dami rin namang pasado ng lasalle pero bagsak naman sa test ng ust?
hay naku stop it na! basta what's important is we're gifted enough to pass that exams that will give us the key to success.
i think it was UST who has the most wins this decade :) peace :)

[This message has been edited by clawed_out (edited 08-04-1999).]

[:)]

ULUL, sino nagsabi na mga pumasa sa DLSU ay bagsak sa UST..****! maybe its the other way around...face it guys! inggit lang kayo sa DLSU! baka kayo ang bumagsok sa enntrance ng LaSalle!

[Jacob]

What's the fuss about passing or not passing a certain school's entrance exam?

What's next? Comparing each other's NCEE scores?

[don]

Oo. Ako naka-99+.

Away na naman! LLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RRRRUMMMMBLE!

[Spectator]

I've had enough of this topic so here's my side.

I agree with the others who said previously that the reason why people keep on slamming La Salle for its questionable recruitment policies is that THEY CAN'T FATHOM THE FACT THAT DLSU EXCELS BOTH IN SPORTS AND IN ACADEMICS. And let's set some issues straight once and for all: UP, Ateneo and La Salle are regarded as THE TOP THREE SCHOOLS in the country, with UST following a close fourth. Let's not fight anymore about which the better school is, because there really is no way of knowing. The problem with the arguments here is they are misled by the notion that student selectivity is the only determinant of a school's reputation.

No offense to the other schools around, but why do you think these high school athletes place La Salle as their priority when choosing their colleges? It's because they know that the school has a rich sports tradition and that they will get a good education. Period.

Finally, to dismiss all these talk about the entrance exams of these schools, here are some facts based on personal experience:
Coming from a La Salle high school, our batch was naturally encouraged to go to DLSU for college. Most of us took both the UP and DLSU exams, while a fewer number took the Ateneo exam. I chose DLSU after much deliberation, despite passing both ADMU and UP exams. A lot of my friends were unfortunate not pass either ADMU or UP, which were their priority schools. You know what they did? They asked for reconsideration and they were able to enter. IN FACT, MARAMI SA MGA TAGA-UP, ATENEO AND DLSU NGAYON ANG NAGPA-RECONSIDER LANG PERO HINDI NAMAN PUMASA SA ENTRANCE EXAMS. So I hope those people who stress about their schools "highly competitve" exams will think twice before saying another word kasi pare-pareho lang naman lahat yan.

[Jacob]

Couldn't put it any better. Sana bumalik tayo sa posted topic.

[Miviant]

I once heard a wise man say "hatred is not the opposite of love but indifference". La Salle being the object of ridicule by the entire UAAP population is a matter of love disquised in the form of hatred and jokes...HAH!

To be fair to the other schools, I guess you are right. La Sallites nowadays are a little if not too defensive. Is it perhaps this cruel world values perception over reality. Is the Matrix for real? But you see, that is what sets apart La Sallites from other schools. We don't watch things happen, we make things happen. We don't like taking crap and let them get away with our reputations and dignity. To all you La Sallites, just remember this in times of trouble...Ortigas Center, Ayala Center and the booming Alabang Madrigal Center a La Salle Alumnus as its owner. Ang mapikon, talo.

I need not say it but for the sake of argument...as the marooned and blue schools put it, "NAKALUSOT" ako sa UPCAT. As a matter in fact, I found the UPCAT a lot simpler than the DLSU entrance test that required so much scholarly English. Yet I chose to go to La Salle for some personal reasons. My mother keeps telling me how stupid I was to have missed that opportunity. But I don't regret that decision. I guess it's just a matter of personality compatibility. You hate cheesy people, go to UP. You love life and culture, go to La Salle. You want a heaven of parking areas, go to Ateneo. It's not the entrance test that would make you a better person but how you apply what you have learned. In the end...Love will set us all free from this war.

MY APOLOGIES TO MAROONED AND GINNY...

ANIMO LA SALLE!

[marooned]

well said miviant. point could not have been stated any better. but what's the apology for? peace !

[The Saint]

OOPS AGAIN! Sorry to Miviant for misusing his name again. It was me who posted the "Opposite of love is not hatred but indifference" reply.

Marooned, apology comes from me...peace!

[This message has been edited by The Saint (edited 08-10-1999).]

[couth]

i have friends from lasalle who know the ins and outs of the program there..and they admit that Ritualo, BJ and all the other guys DID get financial, material benefits from Lasalle..if not from the school, from the Alumni.

Im surprised that the lasalites deny this, this is the first time i've heard of lasalites denying this.

the point here is not the legality of such acts but the fact that u really cant be proud of your team if it wins championships
because they are "paid" the win.

Kudos to the Ateneo Blue Eagles who prefer to keep it clean and still manage to have a good showing. (what the hell was wrong with the Chinese dude? hindi naman binayaran!)

To the UP Maroons! Bakit minsan lang kayo magpost dito? I miss intelligent conversations with our neighbors. Am not too sure bout you guys kasi may naririnig din ako(hehehe) pero at least we know our tuition is going to our education!

ps. I think even BJ will not tell u he went to Lasalle because of a better education. Asa pa. I think he DID make the right choicce, but only be Basketball ang kanyang piniling future..and we know who puts all the money on basketball!

just want to make it clear, am not bashing hear, am just saying facts lasallites themselves have told me, backedd by hard evidence

sorry rin sa typos, sira ang letters d ,c ,t and ko eh!

[AnimoAteneo]

hey guys cool it.

remember that the basketball team and its recruitment practices do not absolutely reflect the academic standards of a certain universities and colleges. The basketball players have their own talents and skills which contributes to a school in a very unique way.

by virtue of having a top performing basketball team, the school increases its marketability in their feeder schools especially in the secondary level. in this regard, being a champion in the UAAP gives the school FREE advertising mileage especially when a particular school is in the final four or have won a championship. This is due to the TV coverage and print mileage that the school gets.

a proper mix of the marketing tools when souped up with the best academic standards gives the school the best crack at the finest high school graduates around. remember, the war for incoming freshmen is not by getting a great number of applicants, but also getting the best graduates. through the rigors of the academic exercise, the good graduate becomes a walking billboard because the contributions the person will make in the corporate world will be a permanent reflection of the university.

of course all of this should be done within the parameters of acceptable intellectual quotient in relation to the upcoming rigors of the university.

La Salle recruited players for their own reasons. that is also the reason why dlsu takes care of their players in some unique way. One thing La Salle has to be respected though, is that their players are also subjected to the same academic exercise. players that are totally not acceptable are also thrown out -- to csb =)

in the Ateneo, we have groped for BIG TIME players to enter the fold. bj manalo was not the only player the Ateneo lost to the other UAAP schools. after the jun reyes era, the drought began. but this does not mean that the Ateneo did not get their fair share of the best hs graduates.

i believe we have just to respect all these practices and see it as their usual business practice of marketing a university.

after all. what percent of the total population is made up of the athletes inside the university. not even half of 1%.

SEE YOU IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP

ANIMO ATENEO

[greeneagle]

couth,

intelligent discussion with UP people? check out the postings of ann (without an e), jacob, tr|n|ty, ada, etc in the other boards, or even ann's replies to onebigfight in this board. the wit and intelligence are ibang klase. as to their non-postings in the uaap corner, let's give them a break...they've been eliminated already eh, hahahaha. nakahibernate na sila jacob and marooned and the others from this board, i think.

[greeneagle]

couth,

intelligent discussion with UP people? check out the postings of ann (without an e), jacob, tr|n|ty, ada, etc in the other boards, or even ann's replies to onebigfight in this board. the wit and intelligence are ibang klase. as to their non-postings in the uaap corner, let's give them a break...they've been eliminated already eh, hahahaha. nakahibernate na sila jacob and marooned and the others from this board, i think. you're right though, we do need them back here.

[Will Hunting]

I guess that's why Ateneo and UP products get along so well -- because they can count on each other for intelligent conversation.

Going to UP after having spent my GS and HS years in Ateneo was a very good decision. I came "down from the hill" and got a very refreshing taste of the real world at Peyups.

[The Saint]

hmmm...interesting concept!

[pOOh]

i just want to comment on those statements regarding lasalle's standard and recruitment. actually, most HS dedicated basketball players really opt to go to lasalle for college and play for the archers. this is because of the training that they want and lasalle really provides the best training in basketball. those people just want to be a ritualo or an allado since they were drafted in the pbl so soon. i think renren was a freshman then when he was drafted. allado on the other hand, is only in his third or fourth year but now, he already has been drafted in the pba. about the condos and cars..what i heard was that there is a condo for dlsu athletes wherein they can stay in whenever they end their practices really late. its not a gift or whatever but lasalle still owns it and it's also for the future use of the future athletes of lasalle. about the F150..i think they were referring to don allado. well..i think it was from alaska and not from lasalle. peace! :)

in terms of academic standards, well i think each school has their own 'specialty'. the lia-com program of lasalle is one of those. the accounting and management programs as well, produce the best accountants and businessmen.just the trimestral system of lasalle proves that lasallians are disciplined when it comes to time management and academics. im just speaking for lasalle, i know that up, ateneo, ust and other universities also produce students who will excel in the career they will choose. :)

[This message has been edited by pOOh (edited 09-14-1999).]

[_Mase_]

Guys, so what if a player accepts some kind of "financial rewards" from the school or alumni or whatever??? It was not YOUR decision to make anyway, and besides, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Leave the players alone. This is a country of free choice, right???

GOT IT?

PEACE!! :)

[bookam!]

lasalle has been known for "bribing" high school standouts to don the lasalle uniform come college. this i believe is not right especially when the capability of the student academically is below average. lasalle should utilize what they already have and who they have acquired cleanly.

[Chartreuse]

The only point I hate about this discussion is that most critics of DLSU's recruitment techniques often associate these material rewards with the University, the institution itself. That is completely false. A school's alumni association is totally independent of the school itself. If some hotshot businessman wants to gratuitously offer cars and cash and condos...the school has absolutely no control over that. Personally, I don't feel that such a practice should be criticized. In the States, almost all the top universities are very aggressive recruiters. DLSU just happened to be the first to adopt that kind of system here in the Philippines.

[ann]

greeneagle: *blush* thanks! ... & yes, u're right, if our uaap [men's basketball] situation were any different, we'd have a lot more to say ... but then again, the up student population is not really known for its enthusiasm as sports spectators ...

also, i don't know up's [actual] recruitment process ... of course, the rule is that the athletes should either pass the upcat or satisfy the requirements of the college of human kinetics [what's the equivalent of the fine arts' talent test? -- :( 'guess that shows how i used to sprint out of the gym after pe] ... however, i'm sure that to stay with the varsity, the athlete should be in good academic standing, no if's & no but's abt it ...

it's no secret that la salle has the best recruitment system in the uaap & following its reputation for excellence in basketball as one of the giants in the college circuit since its ncaa days, young players naturally want to be part of that team ... let's face it, the glamour attracts good players & good players add to the glamour ...

a case in pt, i know for a fact that alvin patrimonio once aspired to join la salle bcoz of its image but saw that he'd make a bigger, brighter name for himself with mapua since most of the red cardinals' starters were on their last playing yr ... alvin's dream was carried out by allen who got all the support he needed from his kuya ... la salle got a big man in allen & the prestigious patrimonio name as well ...

then there's also jun limpot, the tennis-playing stringbean from surigao who was brought to manila by gov sering to play basketball specifically for la salle ... after losing the [i]provinciano stigma by virtue of his green archer membership, he is now an icon revered in the annals of dlsu basketball history ...

no doubt, the cycle will go on & on :) ... as for up, i'd say it's a good thing a school's academic standard is not measured by its men's varsity's success on the hardcourt [congrats, blue eagles, for flying away -- this yr -- from our regular side-tournaments for 5th & 6th]

[This message has been edited by ann (edited 09-15-1999).]

[couth]

_mase_: a very intelligent and logical
remark! I hope U'd do ur school whatever it is ,a BIG favor by not saying from what school you came from!

Guys, let us not forget that Academic Institutions are primarily ACADEMIC, if they are also good in sports, then the better, but to sacrifice Academics in favor of a good recruitment plan doesnt sell with me.
And in justifying it since it is done in the states...it is illegal in the NCAA, and they have just been good in evading it.

There ought to be a stricter ban on these things. Then maybe Ateneo will finally win hehe! ONE BIg FIGHT!

[greeneagle]

any news on who lasalle, ateneo, up and ust will be getting for next year? lasalle always get the marqueed names, ateneo their hs players (hopefully, fonacier will play for us !!), up the san beda players, and ust,hmm, basta magagaling lagi nakukuha. cant wait for the next season to start !!