Which university is better in terms of the quality of education: ateneo or UP?

[jhenn_17]

i luckily passed the UPCAT and ACET and i had a hard time deciding on where i will spend my college life, whether in UP dil or in ateneo. some people told me na it's better in ateneo but others naman said na UP is the best talaga. in the end, i decided to go to UP and i just hope na i won't regret my decision. and by the way, how difficult ba talaga is math 17?

[Archimedes]

Definitely UP is better
In the recent impeachment trial:
UP Graduates are better than Ateneo's

The Defense Team: UP law graduates
The Prosecution: UP din
The Judge: UP alumnus din
The Senators: Most of them are UP alumnus din

E ang nasasakdal: isang sAtenista student

[Melpomene]

Both institutions have their own strengths and weaknesses. I will not pretend to know the disciplines at which they are strong and weak. You have to find that out for yourself from realiable sources, I hope. I don't have the habit of comparing schools on the basis of their alumni or awards, because thankfully, I make the most use of my brain.

[dee-dee]

jhenn_17, i'm from UP and i assure you...you'll get more than what you'll be learning from your profs. i don't know but basing from my stay sa UP, kakaiba talaga. the problem lang is (one common thing me and my friends observed) may sariling mundo or rather mentality and culture ang UP. there would be times and situations na hindi makakapag-relate yung ibang taong hindi galing dun.

but i'm not saying na mas okay yung ateneo kaysa UP. it's a relative experience din kasi. whatever you do...don't regret anything.

and about math 17...well, the trick is choosing the perfect prof and classmates. i've never taken it up, pero sabi ng friends ko, k lang naman daw. it goes naman sa lahat ng subjects na kukunin mo eh. dapat lang talaga perserverance and discipline. ewan ko, pero bobo ako sa math. math 1 nga lang, 2.75 ako! :bawling:

:cow::spinstar:

[ms_freshman]

what can i say? ur lucky, getting to choose between two premiere universities... but congrats! u chose very well...

up is the best!

no pretenses. no school rivalry.

but

math 17 is the beast!

if up manila's math is any indication of up diliman's version.... PREPARE YOURSELF. tsk-tsk.

i tell you, sister, stock up on coffee... LOTS OF IT.

cge, un lang.

good luck and welcome, iskolar ng bayan

:newangel:

[Fiddlers_Green]

I got accepted in both UP and Ateneo as well, and decided to go for the latter. I'm happy with my decision but for those faced with the same two options, you would have to figure out exactly what you wanted out of a school, what specific course you're interested in and what kinds of classes you wanted to take.

In my case I thought UP would be too big a school for me and preferred smaller classes. Also, I liked the course I got accepted in at the Ateneo. And so on and so forth. As with everything else in life, neither choice is absolutely superior.

[djheat]

ey there. actually that depends upon your interest. if you are into the life of a party, up is not for you--ateneo is better in it. kiddin. though there are those middle class scholars, still ateneo is roughly elitist. ateneo's SANGGU even posted in the gate that ateneans are not elitist and apathetic but socially involved(something like that). but my friends studying there fit in the first two descriptions. even their whole block. what i mean is, ateneo is more or less one sided. to be fair with ateneo, i like its crowd as compared with up kasi mas nakakasundo ko sila at maraming chicks dun. ateneo is more ideal than up and the drawback is big the moment you go out of the university. in up there's a maximum variety of lifestyles, philosophies, and cultures. the students range from activists to geeks to ravers. rich and poor. my point: its more of a real society.

and their math is not as intensive as up's. pero as a whole, almost the same lang.

math 17? its hard if you dont check your Vance. not that im boasting but in my case it was a smooth road. it partly depends on the prof.

congratulations for choosing the premiere university.

[sea sprite]

I agree. It all depends on the course you want to take (what is it nga ba?). I'm assuming it's either a science/eng'g course kasi may Math 17. UP is really strong in these disciplines while the great courses at Ateneo lean more towards Infotech and Management.

UP Diliman is an experience. Come with an open mind and a strong sense of independence and self-reliance. Very few teachers will coddle you. You won't have to worry about fitting in though, because you will meet a lot of people ranging from the coño to the maralita, the LFS radicals to the conservative Opus Dei pips (no offense meant).

As for religion issues, in my experience, if you already have strong faith, nothing, not even atheist Philo (and sometimes SocSci) teachers can shake your faith. There are so many chances to nurture your faith (orgs, masses, fellowships, etc.). You just have to seek them out.

Math 17 is algebra and trigonometry. It's not that bad. Most of it you took up in high school. It's the Math 50s series (calculus) that you have to be wary of. Everything you need to know is in Vance. Just practice til you get the hang of it. Good luck and congratulations!

[Ira]

Math 17 is high school algebra and geometry crammed into 1 semester. If you've paid attention to your math teacher in high school, then this wouldn't be a hard subject for you. It's not a killer subject---it's the math 50s or math 100 that will cause sleepness nights.

Don't worry about your decision. Both schools will give you excellent education. Take advantage of what can you learn in UP and stop dwelling on the "what if's". It's how you decide to go about your student life that will decide whether or not you made a right decision, not the school you choose to go into.

[Gangreen]

Very nice thread. It's really different with Ateneans and UPians. Their intelligence and proper upbringing shows even in how they treat and communicate with each other. Very civil. I hope this thread stays this way.

[tr|n|ty]

I've always believed ateneo and UP are of the same academic level..it's just a matter of what kind of college life you wanted for yourself. there are pros and cons for each choice.

as for math 17, IT'S A BREEZE. it's a mix of algeb-trig in one sem. even my pisay friends and my parents(having seen me having 'cliffhanger' grades all throughout high school and proving to them i had potential :teehee: ) were impressed at how i managed to ace my math 17 exams while spending most of my time hanging out in the school along taft(boytoy during that time was from DLSU :lol: ) ..o di ba? ang yabang ko? pero sa totoo lang..madali talaga ang 17...at depende din sa prof mo. if ur a science or eng'g major..paghandaan mo na ang 53-54-55 series mo. i had an easy time in my 53 as well. sa 54, i wouldn't know na because i transfered here in the states but from what i heard from my friends..it was bloody. good luck nalang! don't take cejalvo..drop the damn class ASAP.

[Sega Takai]

Trinity...are you also from Pisay? What batch?:)

[Oscar01]

I just came from the Prep Course for incoming Ateneo ME freshmen which Ali Figueroa and I "sabotaged" by suddenly throwing in two Philosophy-oriented lectures (again, to incoming freshmen).

I think the freshies really appreciated Ali's lecture, and its theme was, "Don't let school get in the way of education."

In one of his examples, he shared his opinion that the more diverse population of UP gives its students something that Ateneans cannot as fully. The environment gives a different but equally important brand of learning, something that rounds out classroom learning.

I think that was a very good point.

[tr|n|ty]

Sega Takai-i'm an 'oldie'..batch 96

[Sega Takai]

Me too! I think I'm older than you...:) Do you still attend Alumni Homecomings?

[tr|n|ty]

the last homecoming i went to was 1996(right out of high school)...i went to college in the states after a year in UP so the september homecomings were out of the question. i still hang out with my pisay friends and some of them are pexers. my brother is another pisay alum..batch 91.

[teanuts]

ey, math 17? k lang yun. trick lang tlaga prof. sana wag ka dun sa terrors.

kaya yan.

[colby00]

Originally posted by jhenn_17
i luckily passed the UPCAT and ACET and i had a hard time deciding on where i will spend my college life, whether in UP dil or in ateneo. some people told me na it's better in ateneo but others naman said na UP is the best talaga. in the end, i decided to go to UP and i just hope na i won't regret my decision. and by the way, how difficult ba talaga is math 17?

both are good. if you go to u.p. it's a good school! ateneo it's a good school! ust it's a good school! la salle... is a school... :lol:

[Melpomene]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[uptowngirl]

They said everything na. :redgrin: College is what you make it out to be. Good luck!:up:

On Math 17, practice makes perfect, so don't be lax in trying to solve Math problems. Just like what tr|n|ty said, Math 17 is a breeze. It's the easiest of all the Math subjects I took.

God bless! :flyangel:

:turncat:

[jhenn_17]

hey guys,thanks for the great advices! i didn't expect this thread to go so well. thanx!

[jhenn_17]

hey guys, just one question: if you were to choose, where would you prefer to study--in UP or ateneo?

[Lek-Lek]

Well, I chose Ateneo, not because I downplay UP but because I'm after the kind of training that the Jesuits give to their students. But I have always viewed UP peeps as worthy opponents. It's exiciting to be competing with them especially during academic contests. I'm actually looking forward to meeting my counterparts at the UP College of Business Admin this October.

[Exterminator]

Both schools have very high academic standards. I chose Ateneo because: (1) having come from a certain socio-economic background, I felt I'd fit better in Ateneo, and my family concurred with my decision; (2) less distraction in Ateneo because of the lack of frat activities and student activism there is less prevalent; (3) the overall environment is more secure (gated community) and the ambiance is more conducive to studying; (4) I like the wholistic education since it is a training for life, not just the technical skills one needs in order to land a job; and (5) while UP is a microcosm of the broader Philippine society, Ateneo represents a more homogeneous community of students from a particular class (i.e., it's mostly from the economic elite or intellectual elite, with some in between).

Despite their differences, there are more similarities between Ateneo and UP, particularly in their pursuit of academic excellence and service for others.

[Mr_MF]

it doesn't matter which college or school you go into, its on how you deal with it....pero in terms of ranking and surveys its UP up there...ateneo's just behind DLSU i believe....

goodluck!

[chobas_angel]

Originally posted by Archimedes
Definitely UP is better
In the recent impeachment trial:
UP Graduates are better than Ateneo's

The Defense Team: UP law graduates
The Prosecution: UP din
The Judge: UP alumnus din
The Senators: Most of them are UP alumnus din

E ang nasasakdal: isang sAtenista student


:laugh:

[Lek-Lek]

Could we all stop this particular issue? I mean, I just don't think that the way the topic is worded is congenial to the healthy academic competition going on between these two schools. I respect UP as much as I respect my school, Ateneo. I've always admired UP students and I believe that they're worthy competitors, in the academic sense.

[corrsfan]

depende naman sa course yun eh...
like la salle in comsci, ust in architecture, up in film...*okay*
just to name few ;)

[xfire]

Ur from BA right?Congratulations for choosing U.P. It's really a great school if your the type who likes to interact with so many different personalities. Anyway, you can thank your lucky stars that the days of endless pila are over with the coming of the crs. However, even those long lines are a learning experience. You get to meet new friends because your stuck with them for a whole day!!!hehehe...kakamiss din.:D

Finding a job won't be a problem for you but that's still a long way off so better concentrate on your subjects considering that its easy to get kicked out of BA!!hahaha!

As for Math 17, KAMOTE!Muntik na siyang maging math 51 sa kin!Part na ng 50 series!:mad: Jok lang!Tsiken yan!Math 54 is the hard one but I dont think youd be taking it.Math 100 ata kayo.Compressed Calculus.hehe:D

Ateneo has some nice sounding courses , BS Chem with Com engg ata yun? But you can save a lot more money in U.P.!Especially pag may economic crisis!hehehe....Gudlak!mag JMA ka!or CE!

[Cyber_KuLaNgOt]

mali kayo dyang lahat! DA BES PA RIN ANG AMA... d skul of 2day. ahehehe.

[cool_water]

UP....
no. 1 eh...3rd lang yata ang ateneo....
hindi lang puro academics tinuturo....but more importantly....LIFE actually GOOD LIFE

[Lek-Lek]

cool_water: What made u say that Ateneo's third? You know, I don't wanna brag regarding what my school has achieved, but insofar as academic competitions last year are concerned, I think we proved something. Well, yeah yeah, you're using the 2000 survey as your basis, but why do you have to constantly revive a survey buried in the past due to fraudulent data?? What will you say if you see the 2001 survey, which by the way, will never be published since Asiaweek realized the big big flaws of what they've been doing, I guess. Yung mga nag-claim that their university is the best in this field and that, seems like, mali yata yung assertions nila. I still have a lot of things to say sana, pero, I'd rather keep it to myself. As far as Ateneo's performance in last year's academic competitions is concerned, people's claims that Ateneo's quality of education has been deteriorating proved to be farcical! Please lang ha, you're not an Atenean neither are you in the proper position to judge us!

[trickles19]

You're right Lek-Lek. Last year diba? Ateneo won that Statistics Quiz sponsored by UP Statistical Society. ADMU beat two UP teams in the finals. Tapos during the FINEX Finance Contest, UP ranked second to Ateneo.

We're not saying that UP's inferior to Ateneo. But please, we're begging you not to do the same to us. Lalo ka na cool_water!

[cookieman]

had i been a catholic, i could have gone to ateneo. but...i'm not, and so i went to UP.

UP was the best thing that ever happened in my life. UP is such an experience! hindi ka nakakahon sa isang makitid at otomatik na mundo dahil maraming bintana ang bubuksan para sa 'yo. tuturuan kang lumaya pero hindi para abusuhin ito. tuturuan kang pahalagahan ang mga bagay-bagay sa paligid, sintayog man ng Quezon Hall o sinliit man ng alitaptap sa lagoon kapag gabi. ang pag-aaral sa UP ay hindi nasisikil sa mga aklat o mga pormulang de-kahon at absoluto, hindi sa apat na sulok ng silid-aralan o sa bawat kanto ng upuang kulang-kulang ang paa o nawawala ang sulatan..higit pa ito sa tumutulong tubig sa mga urinal ng AS (kung may tubig man), sa mga bitak sa sahig ng Melchor Hall, sa mga graffiti sa tambayan, sa lumalagitik na hagdan ng Vinzons, sa pagsawsaw ng pisbol, sa pagbayad ng P3.75 sa isang sakay ng Ikot, sa mahaaaaaaaaaaabang pila (meron pa ba nito) tuwing enlistment, sa bawat yabag ng napipilitang kadete kapag may pasa-masid, at lalong higit sa gradong uno o diploma sa pagtatapos...

...para sa 'kin, ang UP ay buhay.

[razzp]

originally posted by Lek-Lek

cool_water: What made u say that Ateneo's third? You know, I don't wanna brag regarding what my school has achieved, but insofar as academic competitions last year are concerned, I think we proved something. Well, yeah yeah, you're using the 2000 survey as your basis, but why do you have to constantly revive a survey buried in the past due to fraudulent data?? What will you say if you see the 2001 survey, which by the way, will never be published since Asiaweek realized the big big flaws of what they've been doing, I guess. Yung mga nag-claim that their university is the best in this field and that, seems like, mali yata yung assertions nila. I still have a lot of things to say sana, pero, I'd rather keep it to myself. As far as Ateneo's performance in last year's academic competitions is concerned, people's claims that Ateneo's quality of education has been deteriorating proved to be farcical! Please lang ha, you're not an Atenean neither are you in the proper position to judge us!

She's talking about the Asiaweek survey! UP is still the number 1 university in the country followed by De a Salle. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[midnightbleu]

cool thread...no such thing as the bashing we normally get when it comes to this topic.
math 17? i suppose this is the easiest of the math classes youll be having. i guess the hoopla about it is that you just get shocked with how fast the pace is plus how much is cramped in one sem. study habits will definitely be a big factor. not like high school math where you can read your unbelievably few pages of notes once and still get good grades, 17 needs practice, time, and a lot of coffee...case to point out--> my first coffee drink was the night i reviewed for the 17 midterms! i can never forget that! (by the way, i barely passed the exam, in the 60% range, so it was worth it!)
and carelessness can get the best of you. i get so pissed when id get back my exams and see that a lot of my mistakes were due to stupidity, period. mas nakakapikon yun kaysa hindi mo talaga alam ang gagawin. feeling mo napakabobo mong tao, seriously.
haha, malas nga pag si calvejo makuha mo. as far as i know, shes this old prof na alang asawa...go figure. okay sa lectures...pero pag nakita mo exams niya, horrible. lucky me, i never got any of the notorious ones like baluyot and hermosilla.
the calculus series can be a killer. lucky me, i passed through the 1st two. 55 ako ngayon...and after that, yehey, graduate na ako ng math building!!!
piece of advice? dont try to survive math on your own...ask around for help. dont worry, marami kang karamay! one more thing, get a math subject (i suppose you have the 50s series) during the summer term. trust me, the pace is quicker but the exams are easier.
welcome to peyups sis!
***yup, and unibersidad ng pilipinas ay unibersidad ng pila pa rin...buhay pa rin ang tradisyon kahit na may crs online na!
so for the freshies who took about 2 hrs to enroll this sem...better brace yourself on november. youre not gonna get through that easy anymore!!!hehehe.

[trickles19]

Before you insist on the validity of that stupid survey, why don't you ask people around for the reason why Asiaweek does not intend to release the 2001 survey, huh?

[cool_water]

Originally posted by Lek-Lek
cool_water: What made u say that Ateneo's third? You know, I don't wanna brag regarding what my school has achieved, but insofar as academic competitions last year are concerned, I think we proved something. Well, yeah yeah, you're using the 2000 survey as your basis, but why do you have to constantly revive a survey buried in the past due to fraudulent data?? What will you say if you see the 2001 survey, which by the way, will never be published since Asiaweek realized the big big flaws of what they've been doing, I guess. Yung mga nag-claim that their university is the best in this field and that, seems like, mali yata yung assertions nila. I still have a lot of things to say sana, pero, I'd rather keep it to myself. As far as Ateneo's performance in last year's academic competitions is concerned, people's claims that Ateneo's quality of education has been deteriorating proved to be farcical! Please lang ha, you're not an Atenean neither are you in the proper position to judge us!

lek-lek, i'm sorry kung you felt na na-down ko yung ateneo,
It's not really to judge, but it's more on "opinion" kung alin ang better school.
well, yup you said it, it's based on the survey nung 2000. galing na rin sayo yun di ba?
well, i just feel that UP is better than Ateneo, na sinusuportahan naman ng statistics...but if u feel that Ateneo is better tham Up well, it's OK, you're free to post here.

Hope naman this would not create a barrier between you and me...

Just remember na pinoyexchange is afreedom wall, tulad ng UP na isang malayang pamantasan.

Peace!

[childprodigy]

Originally posted by colby00


both are good. if you go to u.p. it's a good school! ateneo it's a good school! ust it's a good school! la salle... is a school... :lol:
:bow:
FER CRYIN OUT LOUD!!!!

[Lek-Lek]

cool_water:Apology accepted. No love lost for UP.

[WiCkeDAze]

For me, I still consider UP as the best university around. But I chose to study in Ateneo. Why? Because I took up a computer intensive course..and medyo hindi ako at ease with UP's I.T. programs.

But still, bow pa rin ako sa mga UP people. :)

[ASH KNOX]

well, it has to be UP!!!:p kaya nga Premiere State University diba? plus sa UP, hindi lang puro academics ang basis ng level of learning. in fact, not everything is learned within the four corners of a classroom, ryt? so i guess when it comes to education (academic-wise and society -awareness) we have the edge over ateneo. but nevertheless, we have to give credit to Ateneo students. they are also good as well.

>>>>hi jhenn_17!!!:D

[eurydice2948]

Originally posted by Sega Takai
Trinity...are you also from Pisay? What batch?:)

I have to agree with Sea Sprite--UP is indeed an experience. I believe UP is the university that can give you the kind of experience, the kind of feel one expects from college life. Siyempre out of the question na yung kind of education it offers. You know what they say, when UP talks, everybody listens. The standards are something else! I'm from the School of Economics, by far the No. 1 Economics institution in the Philippines and the training is exceptionally rigorous. Talagang you have to keep up.

Sega Takai, are you from Pisay? I am :D batch 99 ako. What about you?

[eurydice2948]

Originally posted by cookieman
had i been a catholic, i could have gone to ateneo. but...i'm not, and so i went to UP.

UP was the best thing that ever happened in my life. UP is such an experience! hindi ka nakakahon sa isang makitid at otomatik na mundo dahil maraming bintana ang bubuksan para sa 'yo. tuturuan kang lumaya pero hindi para abusuhin ito. tuturuan kang pahalagahan ang mga bagay-bagay sa paligid, sintayog man ng Quezon Hall o sinliit man ng alitaptap sa lagoon kapag gabi. ang pag-aaral sa UP ay hindi nasisikil sa mga aklat o mga pormulang de-kahon at absoluto, hindi sa apat na sulok ng silid-aralan o sa bawat kanto ng upuang kulang-kulang ang paa o nawawala ang sulatan..higit pa ito sa tumutulong tubig sa mga urinal ng AS (kung may tubig man), sa mga bitak sa sahig ng Melchor Hall, sa mga graffiti sa tambayan, sa lumalagitik na hagdan ng Vinzons, sa pagsawsaw ng pisbol, sa pagbayad ng P3.75 sa isang sakay ng Ikot, sa mahaaaaaaaaaaabang pila (meron pa ba nito) tuwing enlistment, sa bawat yabag ng napipilitang kadete kapag may pasa-masid, at lalong higit sa gradong uno o diploma sa pagtatapos...

...para sa 'kin, ang UP ay buhay.

Agree ako sayo,pare. :) Sa UP ko naranasan at nakita what college is all about. Talagang napaka-diverse ng mga tao. This septembr na nga pala ang Junior Philippine Economic Society (JPES) Debates, sana supportahan natin ang mga kinatawan ng UP! Kasama kasi ako doon eh.:D Sana mag-champion ang UP this year!

[maxelyjr]

it's not with the school.. it's what you will make of yourself! :)