difference of EE, ECE and CoE?

[angle]

electrical engineering is just a new course in up los banos - 5 years. as a matter of fact, so far, only 1 person has graduated from this course, just this april. anyway, my dilemma concerns my plan study. the department is offering power engineering, electronics and computer engineering as specializations. the problem is, say i want to take electronics as my specialization, wouldn't i be in a disadvantage if i take the board exam? my course title is electrical engineering therefore i am expected to take the its respective board exam, and not that of ece... well coe don't have board exams anyway, from what i've heard. furthermore, my female classmates are in a pretty much in a tight spot. they claim that jobs for power engineering are gender-biased, hence they are discouraged.
i haven't made up my mind yet, because i'm still esearching the nature of jobs of the 3. personally, i want it to be field work, since i get bored easily, especially in office bound type work. :bleh: if anyone would be nice enough to differentiate each, it would be graciously appreciated. :D

[shad_ma]

m not ee or ece. my prof is from up he took ee and he said dat wen u take either course the demand on the student s very high. well m curently taking up computer eng which is very different field of study would be- AI, networkin(covered olso be ece), digital signal processing, etc. some of these specialization would even be an ingetral part in ece not only in ce. btw the tests or exams u take it so dat u could write in ur calling card a small abrev. "ENG" people from the com eng side cant be called engineers

[angle]

taking board exam is not only to have the title "engineer", but it only entails promotion (and higher salary) when you get a job, and not be stuck in one position after years of service and dedication, especially not all examinee pass the exam. from the statistics i've seen, 40% passing was already the maximum number of passing examinees. annually, the number of examinee passing decreases, not only for the engineers field at hand, but for all that exist.

if i'm not mistaken, most courses that require board exams are those which would have serious and directly negative consequences (i.e. like death) if malpractice occurs.

[shad_ma]

u want field work den get something of the indutrial side coz the three courses u wud engage if u take them wud more or less be a room kind of jobs

[angle]

i'm already an incoming senior, and the deadline for submission of the plan of study is this 1st semester! :eek:
it's kind of too late to shift...

i never really though of this matter until lately. but so far, the subject matter never cease to stimulate my interest. :)

[shad_ma]

actually it really doesnt matter *** course u r in. ur area of specialization would entirely depend on ur decision.

[ƒREQUENCY]

hi! I finished ECE from UP Diliman and I'll be teaching there this semester. here are my insights on your dilemma...

1) the board exam is not at all that important. even SMART and GLOBE do not require their GSM Engineers to be licensed ECEs. in the long run what is important is that you deliver in the kind of work you are assigned to.

2) i've heard about UPLB's EE program, and before ten years ago, UP Diliman's EE program was very similar. i.e., we also didn't have ECE and CoE but EE students were allowed to major in these two disciplines as well (aside from Power)

3) ECE deals with Communications Systems, Instrumentation and Controls, Robotics, Semiconductor Devices and Circuits, Digital Signals Processing (pede rin CoE dito), and Power Electronics
EE deals with Power Distribution Systems, High Power generation and storage (in UPD we specialize in Solar Power), Electromechanical energy conversion (motors, generators, etc...)
CoE deals with Networking, Microprocessor based design and Software engineering (in UPD we even design microprocessors and have Intel fabricate them)

4) among the three, only ECE and EE would have considerable field work. but R&D opportunities here and abroad seem to favor ECE and CoE nowadays. we've also observed a great decline in the number of EE majors here in the department

Oh well, good luck!

[katie]

ei frequency you're going to teach? astig mo ah! ano subject ituturo mo? hehe, pwede ka na faculty adviser sa compsoc nyan!

anyway, here are few more addition to their differences:

* CoE majors specializes in digital design, microelectronics and microcontrollers, digital signal processing. usually, CoEs work in R&D fields, developing architectures and core for different processors. we are currently working on a risc core.

* ECE majors usually specializes in communications, frequency and radio just like my friend frequency here. In my workplace, the ECEs are working on RF cores using LNAs, filters and amplifiers, digital microwaves and the like.

* well for EE majors, they work on power systems, transmission and distribution, and stuff like power gains and losses.

although it is very easy to mix up the works of these three majors, it is better that one specializes on a particular field and pursue it.

[angle]

thanks ƒREQUENCY and katie for the helpful information. :)
btw, do you know where i could get a copy of the curiculum of ee and ece in up diliman? that would be a big help in making my plan of study. :D and ƒREQUENCY, if you ever become my instructor, sisisip na ko, ngayon palang - investment! :laugh: :silly:

[rave]

Here are the possible areas of specialization you can focus on in each of the courses:

Electrical Engineering:
-Power Distribution Systems (power plants, transmission lines, etc.)
-Power Supply Design
-Power Sources (solar power, etc.)
-Control Systems

Computer Engineering:
-Microelectronics
-Digital Signal Processing (usually for speech recognition, image compression, etc.)
-Microprocessor-Based Design
-Computer Networking
-Computer Software Design

Electronics and Communications Engineering
-RF/Microwave Electronics
-Digital Communications (network protocols, spread spectrum, etc.)
-Digital Signal Processing (usually for modulation, channel coding, etc.)
-Information Theory (error control coding, etc.)


Pero general trend lang yan. You can always mix and match your electives/field of expertise according to your interests. :)

You can get a copy of each course's curriculum at the UP Engineering Administration Office. :)

[rave]

Naku, kung si ƒREQUENCY yung magiging teacher mo, humanda-handa ka na kasi terror yan. :laugh:

[angle]

thanks rave. do i really need to go to up diliman to get a copy, isn't it available online? pasensiya na, tamad na bata ako! :belat: malayo at matrapik kasi. ilang araw na lang bakasyon, sasagarin ko na! :rocker:

and rave, pano ba magpagood shot jan kay ƒREQUENCY? :bungi: maybe i shouldn't consider electronics afterall... :rotflmao:

[rave]

Oo nga pala, no? You can browse through the website first at http://www.upd.edu.ph

And about the terror si ƒREQUENCY thing, joke lang po yun... :)

[angle]

last time i checked the eee section, wala pa yung curriculum, hay salamat, available na! :) albeit, sana sinali na rin nila roster ng electives, which would of help more. i've noticed, malaki pa lang pinagkaiba, though marami rin namang naglalapat. i've realized too, maraming kasali sa curriculum namin na either redundant or we don't need at all, tulad na lang ng physics 81(intro to mechanics and thermodynamics),82 (intro to electromagnetics) and 83(intro to quantum physics) series ng applied physics, where 81 overlaps with 3 engineering subjects, and 82 with ee courses,pero siyempre mas bigatin and deeper yung mga latter subjects. 83, hindi ko talaga alam ang silbi. :confused2: also, our 1st EE subject would only be taken by junior standing, and compared to the curriculum of upd, a year backward kami sa ibang basic EE subjects. :shakehead: no wonder, they're going to revise it. sana na rin, madagdag na rin yung mga teacher, nakakasawa na kasi, puro sila-sila rin eh. :weg: and rave alam kong nagbibiro ka lang, nakikiride lang! :grinroll:

[katie]

ang dami nyo naman physics jan! dalawa lang physics dito ng eee. and as you said it overlaps with a few EEE subjects. and about frequency, hehe wag ka na magsipsip jan, nde effective! kay rave ka na lang magsipsip, tutulungan ka nyan sa eee mo!

frequency, reply ka naman **...roasted ka na eh! saka pala may letter ka para kay doc sison tapos kay lloyd mo nasend! hehehe :beam:

*paw*

[angle]

after further observation, i've noticed that in upd curriculum, break down talaga ang mga topics para mabigyan ng focus (i.e. 1 unit lab subjects), which is good. meanwhile sa uplb, integrated lahat -- 3 unit subjects with lecture and lab are so widespread! :eek: kaya nga minsan nakakasaturate e; ang normal load namin ay 18 to 19 units, 26 to 27 hours per week. also, i've noted na sa upd curriculum, around 180 units is needed to graduate, sa uplb, 190.

i've finally finished making my plan of study. i'm gonna specialize in electronics, and gonna take ee electives, for the board exam. since i've taken some summer classes, probably i could take in some additional ee units -- garnishing a total units of 194 when i graduate (hopefully). pag hindi tamarin, baka magmasters ako, para pansupplement sa magulong curriculum, pero malabo ata yan! :bungi: atat na atat na ko magliwaliw! :lol:

[ƒREQUENCY]

rave!
anong "joke lang"? terror talaga ko. :beg:

katie,
the letter was a big blooper nga... :rotflmao:

i'm going to teach EEE 107, EEE 42 and EEE 12 high tech mga classroom dito sa new building... automated pati yung projector screens...

angle,
i've got a better idea... lipat ka na lang dito sa diliman. :glee: just the other day nga, i advised a transferee from your school. and your EnSci subjects are readily credited (i believe) naman dito.

regards!

[rave]

Originally posted by ƒREQUENCY
rave!
anong "joke lang"? terror talaga ko. :beg:
Magtuturo ka ba ng MS subjects? Magturo ka naman ng DSP, para matakasan ko si ___. :laugh:

[ƒREQUENCY]

Eh ni wala nga kong kinuhang DSP Subject eh... :chainsaw:

[Nathan_Weisz]

Choose a course based on your interest - not because you want to hold a certain title by passing the board. If you love what you're doing, you'll be alright.

BTW, I doubt you'd enjoy EE, sa UP, kaya kinukuha ito ay dahil mas madali ipasa compared sa ibang EEE.

[angle]

from my batch, there were 2 well-qualified people who transferred to upd, but that was during late sophomore. then, there was one who tried to shift to geodetic engineering this semester, kasi he flunked one major ee subjects that co-opens all other ee subjects (hindi naman siya nag-iisa e, magaling pero terror :flog: talaga yung teacher, 10 na lang regular, 10 kinaltas niya); naayos na niya lahat ng papers jan sa upd at approved na, kaso ayaw siya bitiwan dito e. ayun, nagreg uli dito last week.

i've computed my average, mataas naman, malamang pumasok, pero being a senior, isn't it kind of too late for me to shift? yun nga lang, taga-lb ako...lapit sa bahay, hindi kailangan magtravel! :belat: hindi ba pwede magpaquatum teleportation na lang ako papunta jan? :silly:

pero siyempre, hindi mapagkakaila kailangan ng major reformation dito (bago pa lang eh). halos 5 lang talaga teacher ng faculty namin dito -- 3 ee, 1 ece and 1 coe . on the way na yung construction ng bagong ee building , na hindi hamak na masmalaki at masmalapit sa sibilisasyon; yung gingamit kasi namin ngayon, mukhang bahay kaysa classroom -- pagpasok na pagpasok mo, yung style ng stairs bahay na bahay na e! :glee: tapos, kulang na kulang pa sa equipment, pano kung anu-ano kasi inaatupag ng chair ng department kaya nga noong squeeeze contest sa mapua, naglalaway na kami sa dami at ganda ng mga equipment. :wow2: gusto na nga naming lahat magpatransfer e. :lol:

[Nathan_Weisz]

Out of curiosity, sino yung mga batchmates mong nag-shift sa EE sa UPD, baka kilala ko.

Kung ang reklamo mo ay faculty, 3 rin lang talaga ang humahawak ng EE majors dito sa Diliman. Del Mundo, Magabo, at Nerves.

Siguro, mas may advantage kami pag-dating sa equipment ng ECE at COE, pero EE - mga World War II vintage pa ang mga motor namin dito. Ano ba ang equipment na ginagamit ninyo diyan?

[angle]

Originally posted by Nathan_Weisz
Out of curiosity, sino yung mga batchmates mong nag-shift sa EE sa UPD, baka kilala ko.

jonas gonzales at ronald po.

Kung ang reklamo mo ay faculty, 3 rin lang talaga ang humahawak ng EE majors dito sa Diliman. Del Mundo, Magabo, at Nerves.
actually, yung 5 member ng faculty ang huhandle ng lahat ng ee subjects, mapamajor o basic, kaya lagi silang overload. dihado rin sa kanila yun, baka lalo pang mabawasan ang mga instructor. meron namang nag-aaply, kasama na yung bagong graduate dun, kaso sabi ng chair, freeze hiring muna, nag-iipon ata ng pera pambili ng mga equipment.

Siguro, mas may advantage kami pag-dating sa equipment ng ECE at COE, pero EE - mga World War II vintage pa ang mga motor namin dito. Ano ba ang equipment na ginagamit ninyo diyan?
buti nga kayo meron, dito nga wala e! :eek: kaya nga noong nag-aaral yung mga older 2 batches ng dc at ac motors, hirap sila. pero meron nang dumating just this summer. :)

[angle]

i just learned today, from my curent ee "blockmates" and their old philippine science classmates, that my 2 batchmates who transferred to upd shifted to industrial engineering instead.