What do you think is the weakness of your school?

[Sega Takai]

What do you think should be done to improve it?:)

[free_arrow]

that they focus too much attention on billing themselves as world class rather than concentrating on actually attaining that position. sure, its a decent school but aircon and a 300 million peso parking lot doesn't make ya world class. its sayang too cuz there are some good teachers.

[Sega Takai]

Well...in fairness to other schools, I think they are not billing their school as World Class, but it is somehow a goal or a vision that is attainable...I believe the school administrators and the students should work together to achieve this vision...let me ask you this...What do you think should be done as a way of improving the weakness you have just mentioned?

[sacha]

Perhaps not just the school, but also ourselves.

We don't take half the responsibility for excellence that we probably should. Student-centered learning doesn't work without the student. <laugh>

You know, if we concentrated on improving our schools, we could probably do something major...

[Lasadista]

DLSU accepts far too many students and, as a result, it sacrifices quality for the sake of quantity. We need to be more selective. I also think most (not all) of the top graduating high school students still prefer to go to UP or Ateneo for College. I am not saying Lasallians are not that intelligent since there are many bright students in DLSU. The problem is there are also too many mediocre ones, to put it mildly. Just my honest opinion.

Peace.

[Sega Takai]

Lasadista...Are you a La Sallian? If you're not, please answer the question I posted above, it says "THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR SCHOOL". For the benefit of the doubt, if you are really a La Sallian or pretending a La Sallian(coz I know your nick and as far as I know you belong to other school), well, it depends on how you define INTELLIGENCE, as you might have stated, but intelligence, for me, goes beyond the boundaries of Academic superiority. Intelligence is something as a God given gift that you share to your neighbors or collegues, what do you think will happen to this country if all of the people would have a white collar job? A person is intelligent if he could share something he knows to other person who is eager to learn, no man knows it all...even Einstein, the great scientist of the 21st century would not admit that he knows everything. And if you are pertaining to Academic Excellence, let me tell you this that it is a collective effort of the whole community trying to be best of what they can be. Not all people are good in math or physics, but each and everyperson is unique and in a way has a role in the society. If you really think that being intelligent is being good in Academics only...I pity you for having such a shallow mind, for should even examine yourself of who you really are...and try to answer this question...ARE YOU INTELLIGENT?

[eagle_the_king]

Originally posted by Sega Takai
Lasadista...Are you a La Sallian? If you're not, please answer the question I posted above, it says "THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR SCHOOL". For the benefit of the doubt, if you are really a La Sallian or pretending a La Sallian(coz I know your nick and as far as I know you belong to other school), well, it depends on how you define INTELLIGENCE, as you might have stated, but intelligence, for me, goes beyond the boundaries of Academic superiority. Intelligence is something as a God given gift that you share to your neighbors or collegues, what do you think will happen to this country if all of the people would have a white collar job? A person is intelligent if he could share something he knows to other person who is eager to learn, no man knows it all...even Einstein, the great scientist of the 21st century would not admit that he knows everything. And if you are pertaining to Academic Excellence, let me tell you this that it is a collective effort of the whole community trying to be best of what they can be. Not all people are good in math or physics, but each and everyperson is unique and in a way has a role in the society. If you really think that being intelligent is being good in Academics only...I pity you for having such a shallow mind, for should even examine yourself of who you really are...and try to answer this question...ARE YOU INTELLIGENT?

Um, I don't mean to butt in, but I do think that before you start getting edgy (especially because you are a la sallite by my inference), consider that Lasadista's comment was his statement of la salle's weakness. It doesn't appear that he was out to bash your school -- in fact, he was pointing a very valid point out. la salle does accept too many students. All of its colleges combined accept far more than the Ateneo or UP. That is in itself a flaw -- going for quantity, and therefore sacrificing quality. Remember, that in a a school you compete, and having so many other people for professors to focus on does put good people at a disadvantage. I do believe that THAT is the flaw, the weakness that he was simply trying to point out. Don't get overly defensive. Allow me to ask you... do you think YOU are mediocre? I don't think you'd say yes, right? So what does that make you? A normal, even adept, student. Now what should you do? Accept the criticism and try to act on it. Criticism hurts, yes. But imagine if your school began to act on the criticism. It would indeed be a much better school then, right?

That's all I have to say for Lasadista. And with his points I must concur.

[cHaSeR]

As an Economics major, I would say that the greatest weakness of my University is the fact that it has neglected to do much for the sake of advancing or improving its Economics program. I am not saying that the Economics program of La Salle is bad or mediocre, but a little more help or support from the administration could definitely make a big change. It is a fact that the Economics programs of many prestigious universities around the world are what make them world-class or globally competitive as academic institutions. Look at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, even UP! These schools are considered the cream of the crop because they have really excellent Economics programs. So I think La Salle should start focusing on making improvements on the different programs where it could possibly excel in. And a really good example would be improving its Economics program.

[cHaSeR]

Originally posted by eagle_the_king
Originally posted by Sega Takai
Lasadista...Are you a La Sallian? If you're not, please answer the question I posted above, it says "THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR SCHOOL". For the benefit of the doubt, if you are really a La Sallian or pretending a La Sallian(coz I know your nick and as far as I know you belong to other school), well, it depends on how you define INTELLIGENCE, as you might have stated, but intelligence, for me, goes beyond the boundaries of Academic superiority. Intelligence is something as a God given gift that you share to your neighbors or collegues, what do you think will happen to this country if all of the people would have a white collar job? A person is intelligent if he could share something he knows to other person who is eager to learn, no man knows it all...even Einstein, the great scientist of the 21st century would not admit that he knows everything. And if you are pertaining to Academic Excellence, let me tell you this that it is a collective effort of the whole community trying to be best of what they can be. Not all people are good in math or physics, but each and everyperson is unique and in a way has a role in the society. If you really think that being intelligent is being good in Academics only...I pity you for having such a shallow mind, for should even examine yourself of who you really are...and try to answer this question...ARE YOU INTELLIGENT?

Um, I don't mean to butt in, but I do think that before you start getting edgy (especially because you are a la sallite by my inference), consider that Lasadista's comment was his statement of la salle's weakness. It doesn't appear that he was out to bash your school -- in fact, he was pointing a very valid point out. la salle does accept too many students. All of its colleges combined accept far more than the Ateneo or UP. That is in itself a flaw -- going for quantity, and therefore sacrificing quality. Remember, that in a a school you compete, and having so many other people for professors to focus on does put good people at a disadvantage. I do believe that THAT is the flaw, the weakness that he was simply trying to point out. Don't get overly defensive. Allow me to ask you... do you think YOU are mediocre? I don't think you'd say yes, right? So what does that make you? A normal, even adept, student. Now what should you do? Accept the criticism and try to act on it. Criticism hurts, yes. But imagine if your school began to act on the criticism. It would indeed be a much better school then, right?

That's all I have to say for Lasadista. And with his points I must concur.



As a La Sallian, I would have to agree on that too.

[Sega Takai]

Eagle the king...point taken but you should have considered why I posted a message such as that. For further clarification, I just don't believe that Lasadista is a La Sallian since I'm quiet sure and familiar with his nick, you should check out threads about La Salle and you will for sure confirm my claim. As I've said, I asked what is the weakness of your school, not other school. I don't know from what University is Lasadista but I'm sure he's not a La Sallian. As for the others who posted, I respect anyone's opinion about the topic. And as for you, you should have stated what's the weakness of your school. I'm not overly defensive but I'm trying to run a healthy thread that would open our minds ergo that would make us better persons by being critical. I respect you opinion too but I might say that you are stating faulty claim here that DLSU accepts more students everyyear than UP. I think you should check your facts first before making such an statement that would damage an institution like La Salle. I'm pretty sure of this because when I was still in College, I've made a research about yearly applications of schools vs the number of students accepted. You're right about Ateneo getting the fewest but I beg to disagree about UP accepts lesser students than DLSU. In my opinion, getting more students would not directly affect the quality of the product of schools. Just take, for example, UP compared to Ateneo and De La Salle has the most number of student population with respect to student-teacher ratio. In UP, in some classes, they conduct it in an auditorium or any other venue that would accomodate students far more than 50. You can check it out yourself if you want, but UP still produce the best and the brightest students in the Land. And still UP maintained its standing and ranking as the No. 1 University in the Philippines. Thus, you theory of quantity versus quality has its own flaws because in fact it really depends on the individual not the number of students in a learning institution. You know why? There are schools(not so known schools) like schools in Visayas and Mindanao that have smaller population than Ateneo or La Salle but produces less quality students compared to the Big Three. The quality of students cannot be determined by simply stating, that getting a numerous number of students would sacrifice the quality of teaching and learning. I respect what you have said and it was enlightening but it doesn't mean I agree with you.That's my opinion...Peace!

And for you Chaser...I'm sure the Economics dept would act on this if you would inform them directly. The Professors are accomodating. You posted a sensible message.

[lil_chief]

i think that the school where i come from -- DLSU -- gives more importance to the athletes rather than other more important subjects. i'm not saying that the athletes should get less support or anything of that sort. it's just that dlsu makes uaap or even any sports event for that matter such a big deal. i mean, how can they have cancelled a day of classes for winning a game? and then when rainy days come and the students are stranded in school, they don't bother to cancel or at least suspend classes..weird isn't it? i do think so...

[eagle_the_king]

Originally posted by Sega Takai
Eagle the king...point taken but you should have considered why I posted a message such as that. For further clarification, I just don't believe that Lasadista is a La Sallian since I'm quiet sure and familiar with his nick, you should check out threads about La Salle and you will for sure confirm my claim. As I've said, I asked what is the weakness of your school, not other school. I don't know from what University is Lasadista but I'm sure he's not a La Sallian. As for the others who posted, I respect anyone's opinion about the topic. And as for you, you should have stated what's the weakness of your school. I'm not overly defensive but I'm trying to run a healthy thread that would open our minds ergo that would make us better persons by being critical. I respect you opinion too but I might say that you are stating faulty claim here that DLSU accepts more students everyyear than UP. I think you should check your facts first before making such an statement that would damage an institution like La Salle. I'm pretty sure of this because when I was still in College, I've made a research about yearly applications of schools vs the number of students accepted. You're right about Ateneo getting the fewest but I beg to disagree about UP accepts lesser students than DLSU. In my opinion, getting more students would not directly affect the quality of the product of schools. Just take, for example, UP compared to Ateneo and De La Salle has the most number of student population with respect to student-teacher ratio. In UP, in some classes, they conduct it in an auditorium or any other venue that would accomodate students far more than 50. You can check it out yourself if you want, but UP still produce the best and the brightest students in the Land. And still UP maintained its standing and ranking as the No. 1 University in the Philippines. Thus, you theory of quantity versus quality has its own flaws because in fact it really depends on the individual not the number of students in a learning institution. You know why? There are schools(not so known schools) like schools in Visayas and Mindanao that have smaller population than Ateneo or La Salle but produces less quality students compared to the Big Three. The quality of students cannot be determined by simply stating, that getting a numerous number of students would sacrifice the quality of teaching and learning. I respect what you have said and it was enlightening but it doesn't mean I agree with you.That's my opinion...Peace!

And for you Chaser...I'm sure the Economics dept would act on this if you would inform them directly. The Professors are accomodating. You posted a sensible message.

Okay then... :)

With regards to what I think a major flaw of my school (the Ateneo) is, I think we're being far too lenient, that the Ateneo is beginning to spread itself to thinly. Maintaining the school requires a lot of funds, and I guess the main way the University gets the money for this is through the Grade and High Schools. There are simply too many students in the grade school, and thus the population even in the high school gets affected. I wish the Ateneo would be stricter in admitting the students, at least to the high school from the grade school. The college seems to be faring much better. I think it's safe for now. (But then again, recalling the Ateneo of yesterday seems like a rather unfair comparison.)

Um, Sega... I appreciate your pointing out my mistakes, especially with regards to my answering the topic question. But then again, I must interject with regards towards the admissions thing again... Ateneo (de Manila) accepts the fewest students. That's more or less settled. But about UP and DLSU, I still think that UP is doing a better job in accepting students. First of all, you can expect UP to accept a rather large population -- it's the State University, with over 74 colleges, 771 courses, in about 5 campuses nationwide. Nationwide. Quite a lot of people, if you ask me. I wasn't referring to UP Diliman only (it would be unfair to do so, as UP Diliman itself is a component of a bigger University). Next, UP's academic programs are, in themselves, superior to DLSU's (although I must admit that DLSU has better engineering courses based on what I've heard), so it really isn't a surprise that it is a better university than DLSU. And to think, in relation to all those applicants, those accepted are a handful. DLSU (Manila), on the other hand, accepts quite a lot of students from those that apply. Just some fuzzy math for you and I to think about... Peace. :)

[Sega Takai]

Eagle the king...I stand corrected, I thought you were pertaining to UP Diliman Campus only. Thanks for the clarifications! Anyway, about what you posted, I think Ateneo is not the only University who has that kind of problem. I think all Philippine Universities, one classic example would be the Asia Week Survey of Top Asian Universities, as you can see, our overall ranking as a country is far low compared to our neighboring countries. The Financial resources played a big part for judging, as if we can even think the more resources(budget) you have the higher the school ranking would go up. In our case, we cannot compete in that department. Although uplifting the quality of education in the Philippines would entail a lot of work not only for our School Administrators but also all sectors of our society most especially the Government, for me, it is possible but I don't know how long would it take, maybe few more decades. Or maybe in our dreams...:)Peace!

[eagle_the_king]

Originally posted by Sega Takai
Eagle the king...I stand corrected, I thought you were pertaining to UP Diliman Campus only. Thanks for the clarifications! Anyway, about what you posted, I think Ateneo is not the only University who has that kind of problem. I think all Philippine Universities, one classic example would be the Asia Week Survey of Top Asian Universities, as you can see, our overall ranking as a country is far low compared to our neighboring countries. The Financial resources played a big part for judging, as if we can even think the more resources(budget) you have the higher the school ranking would go up. In our case, we cannot compete in that department. Although uplifting the quality of education in the Philippines would entail a lot of work not only for our School Administrators but also all sectors of our society most especially the Government, for me, it is possible but I don't know how long would it take, maybe few more decades. Or maybe in our dreams...:)Peace!

Yeah. It's supposed to be a worldwide recession in terms of education (even schools in the States are affected for some reason). And just think what effect a WORLDWIDE recession has on our little archipelago. Sigh... let's all just hope for the best. Peace. :)

[clawed_out]

i guess i will be the first thomasian who'll be blurting this out..well same as lasadista's answer...(i'm not copying ok?! :) ) it is a well known fact that ust does that too... so, for better school reputation, cut the crap on admitting too many students!!!!

& stop corruption!!!! for christ's sake, we are said to be the catholic university, but look what you are doing! how ironic huh? or is it just i'm so naive? heheheheh

[WICKEDQUEEN]

well then, let's weigh things correctly.

-right:
De La Salle University - College of Saint Benilde has done their best in telling us that EDUCATION, INFORMATION AND THE MEDIA is important to EVERYBODY. Everybody needs these-whether your poor or rich. We also have to APPLY EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN REAL LIFE, like judging things and BASING EVERYTHING IN LOGIC. If we lack access, there's a WAY. Benilde also taught us that WE ALWAYS HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR PARENTS, EVEN IF WE SEE and sense THE RIGHT AND WRONG, even if we can sense the wrong in the principle, the reason why, that we shouldn't be rebelling against our parents, and that DESPITE OUR EMOTIONAL DIFFICULTY we should prove them that we can do things RIGHT. Like showing them high grades, showing them that we're obeying their wishes, showing them that we OBEY THE RIGHT AND REBEL FROM THE WRONG, that we cannot trust anybody except our FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND LOVED ONES, things like that. Benilde has shown that we have to instill the values of PROFESSIONALITY in everything that we do, and trust and base everything from LOGIC AND REASONING. Our good intentions will show, anyway. Benilde has also taught us THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, the values and virtues that we have is the STRONGEST SHIELD against HARM, INJUSTICE, INTIMIDATION, and all the evils of POLITICS. I hope this is how we clean PHILIPPINE POLITICS. Now that's what I call REAL VIGILANCE. We ALWAYS ASSERT OUR RIGHT. Education is OUR SHIELD against EVERYTHING.

-wrong:
THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SUCKS when it comes to BILLING, ENCODING, DISCIPLINE OFFICERS, TEACHER FAVORITISM, STUDENT HANDBOOK (andaming kulang SOBRA, they don't provide THE RULES ABOUT OJT TRAINEES), Benilde doesn't hire STUDENT LAWYERS AND STUDENT SPIES...andami pa. Maraming mali sa Benilde na kailangang itama. I suggest you ask your friends WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING INSIDE BENILDE.

Well, people, let's help clean EVERY DIRT THAT WE SEE. Especially here in the PHILIPPINES.

BAKIT kaya AYAW MAGPA-QUICK COUNT NG NAMFREL? Alam nyo ba kung bakit? :D Let's find out to PROVE.

[RLVbøy82]

I remember a few years ago when I was still on my first year, lahat ng profs ay pinagpipilitan isiksik sa ulo ng bawat student ng La Salle na La Salle is the best school in the Philippines, world class ang La Salle at La Salle is better than "the Katipunan campus". In effect, students from our school become mayabang. Yun bang pinagyayabang sa mga ibang tao na Lasalista sila and they feel superior to everyone else. La Salle is a good school and I'm very proud to be a La Sallian pero parang sobra yata yung pag-brainwash na ginagawa ng mga profs.

[Sega Takai]

RLVbøy82...we cannot blame the Professors and teachers for doing it. Its School Pride. Besides La Salle has been known for Academic Excellence and for me, a School with a tradition of excellence in every aspect may it be Sports or Academics, the Professors have the right to brag about it. They are the ones who teach these students to become well rounded. Like for example, Joseph Lacson, he's a La Sallian, Harvard Business Graduate, Microsoft Executive Silicon Valley. What can you expect? I bet Josephs' Professors are really damn proud of their product. As what you've said, I also believe La Salle is better than the "Katipunan based school".:) I'm now in my graduate school here in US based in California. Well, as I've said its my opinion. Peace!

[Gangreen]

Originally posted by RLVbøy82
I remember a few years ago when I was still on my first year, lahat ng profs ay pinagpipilitan isiksik sa ulo ng bawat student ng La Salle na La Salle is the best school in the Philippines, world class ang La Salle at La Salle is better than "the Katipunan campus". In effect, students from our school become mayabang. Yun bang pinagyayabang sa mga ibang tao na Lasalista sila and they feel superior to everyone else. La Salle is a good school and I'm very proud to be a La Sallian pero parang sobra yata yung pag-brainwash na ginagawa ng mga profs.

Brainwashing is the right word. The fact is, I spent my first year in College in DLSU and I was very unimpressed. I failed the ACET, which explains why I ended up in DLSU studying CS. After three trimesters as a dean's lister, I re-applied in Ateneo and was finally accepted. Sure, there are some bright students in La Salle but there are more average and "not-so-bright" ones (to put it in politically correct terms). There are many who can't even express themselves properly in English. All one has to do is read the posts here in PeX. I agree with Lasadista's comments above regarding the easy admission standards in DLSU. I believe a tightening of the screening process will do much to improve the quality of the school.

As far as which school is better, I honestly think Ateneo has the edge when it comes to academic standards regardless of what dubious surveys like AsiaWeek's or school fanatics have to say. Ateneans just have that intangible quality which puts them head and shoulders above the rest.

For those who are wondering, I have nothing against DLSU and my decision to transfer to Ateneo is a personal choice. Ateneo is a better fit for me.

Sega Takai, Microsoft is based in Redmond, Washington, not Silicon Valley, California. FYI.

Peace.

[Sega Takai]

Gangreen...Are you really an Atenean? I don't blame you for your ignorance, well, to make it straight with you, you were pertaining to Microsoft Corporate Affairs, which means the Marketing and Management Division. Before you post anything ,please check out the facts, have you ever been to Silicon Valley? Well, I'll give you an overview, there are lots of Multinational Companies in that area and few minutes away from Stanford. And for your information, I live just about an hour from Stanford. Well if you want I can send you a copy of Silicon Valleys Map. No offense to other Atenean Pexers just clarifying out things with your fellow Atenean, who thinks he knows something more than someone who have been in Silicon Valley. And for you Gangreen, check out the facts first before you look "dumb". Peace!

Eagle the king...just to clarify...Peace!

[Sega Takai]

HEY GANGREEN!!! CHECK THIS OUT...DO YOU WANT ME TO COUNT IT FOR YOU? http://www.citydesign.com/(THIS IS THE CITY MAP OF SILICON VALLEY, FOR YOUR INFORMATION)

[Sega Takai]

Now Gangreen, answer the question above, the question is about your present school, why don't you answer it? What's wrong with Ateneo?

Be a true Atenean like the previous Atenean who posted in this thread. You may check it out yourself. Be Honest, everyschool has its own flaws, even the Best School in the World.

[Gangreen]

Originally posted by Sega Takai
HEY GANGREEN!!! CHECK THIS OUT...DO YOU WANT ME TO COUNT IT FOR YOU? http://www.citydesign.com/(THIS IS THE CITY MAP OF SILICON VALLEY, FOR YOUR INFORMATION)

Save your energy and excitement for something more constructive. You don't have to send me a map of Silicon Valley. I go there regularly (almost every year, sometimes more often) since I have family in the Bay Area. I am quite familiar with SV and the vicinity like Palo Alto, Mountain View, Cupertino, San Mateo, Santa Clara, San Jose, Milpitas, Fremont, Campbell, etc. We can even meet one of these days. That is, if you're truly somewhere there.

I still maintain my prior statement that Microsoft is headquartered in Redmond, Washington; not Silicon Valley. Just in case you're referring to that Lacson guy (from that dated 1998 article you quoted elsewhere in this forum), if he is really a Microsoft bigwig, then he most probably works in the headoffice together with the rest of the management team, and not in some rinky-dink satellite office in the boonies. I should know since I have also been to Redmond, WA. That's where Spacelabs, where my fellow-Atenean brother works, is also headquartered.

Peace and sleep well. Relax. Don't let your complexes get into you. After all, there's more to life than pathetic collegiate rivalry. That, too, shall also pass. All we need is time to grow up. Peace again.

[Edited by Gangreen on 05-22-2001 at 11:12 AM]

[Sega Takai]

Like what I've said, the Microsoft you were pertaining was the Corporate Management Division.Well, I respect your opinion. Anyway, you really don't understand what this thread is all about, you stil haven't answered the question above. I don't have time for people like you. If you don't want to answer, may I request you shut up. You're not being sensible as you think you are. I hope you are really Atenean or pretending to be Atenean. I admire some of your fellow Atenean here in Pex like Eagle the King etc. Post some sensible comments and stick to the topic. What is the weakness of your school? The school you are attending right now.

[Gangreen]

Originally posted by Sega Takai
Like what I've said, the Microsoft you were pertaining was the Corporate Management Division.Well, I respect your opinion. Anyway, you really don't understand what this thread is all about, you stil haven't answered the question above. I don't have time for people like you. If you don't want to answer, may I request you shut up. You're not being sensible as you think you are. I hope you are really Atenean or pretending to be Atenean. I admire some of your fellow Atenean here in Pex like Eagle the King etc. Post some sensible comments and stick to the topic. What is the weakness of your school? The school you are attending right now.

And who are you to tell me to shut up? I am entitled to my freedom of speech. Are you related to Mirriam?

To answer your question about the weakness of my "new" school, I can't really answer that since I am a transferee this year from DLSU and the new school year has not even started. But based on impressions, I think that Ateneo is growing just like DLSU, albeit not as aggressively and carelessly. And with this comes the temptation to admit more students and to have lax admission policies. I just hope Ateneo sticks to its high standards and does not yield to the temptation of sacrificing quality for the sake of economic gain...unlike the other schools. That's all.

Peace.

[Sega Takai]

Thanks for the comment...At least I know you understand the question. I just even thought you were a great pretender of either schools. I'm sorry, but I can't relate with what you had just asked me? You know what? You can never be a true Atenean. Why? Because you forgot to take into account that if it were not for La Salle you would not have make it to the Ateneo. Yeah, I agree that a school should particularly Ateneo should not sacrifice the quality for the sake of the Economic gain. Ateneo's Adimission Standards is fairing well, that's why, they admitted you coz you were from La Salle. They know you can survive Ateneo coz you survived La Salle. Imagine if you don't belong to the Top Universities. I bet you'll have a stiff chance. You see Ateneo still believes in the Quality of students enrolled in La Salle. As I've said, you can never be a true blue Atenean, you lack values of a true person. I just consider you a student from Ateneo, not an Atenean. Figure out yourself the difference, if you think you really are intelligent. Sorry for the manners but I have first cousins, relatives and friends from Ateneo. Besides, most of my family are from either schools, La Salle and Ateneo. You cannot call yourself an Atenean if you don't have the Virtue. Peace!