Philosophy

[kevlacks]

What can you say about this course? opportunities? salary? Express your thoughts about this program.*okay*

[luna_cyro16]

may i ask where you're taking up or planning to take up philosophy?

graduating ba philo student ako so i think i know enough naman about this program..

all i can say is that it is enlightening..talagang it is not your typical college program :lol:

opportunities: you can teach, take up post-baccalaureate studies, take up law, medicine, a second degree or enough units for you to be able to work in the field you choose..or you can even be a living philosopher, pero most of the living philosophers are actually also professors in notable universities worldwide..

salary: admittedly, teaching would only be profitable if you teach in a private university such as la salle, or ateneo..dont expect a nice salary if you teach in UP..pero generally, UP professors who have experienced teaching in private universities say that it is more fulfilling to teach in UP kasi more progressive mag-isip ang students and mas maganda ang discourse..on the other hand, the other jobs available depend on how well you sell yourself and how well you do your job..

basta ako..i have set my eyes on being a law student and passing the bar and being a well-established lawyer after at least 15years..i'm entering UP law this next sem eh..

pero i credit all of it to philo..it taught me a great chunk of what i know about everything..i superrr lurve this program..i even wish that the inclusion of philosophy in high school curricula be institutionalized and the type of philo taught in UP be the standard..the backbone of philosophy education for all philippine universities...:D

[physicist]

... and to luna_cyro16. I tried, but just couldn't let this pass.

UP professors who have experienced teaching in private universities say that it is more fulfilling to teach in UP kasi more progressive mag-isip ang students and mas maganda ang discourse.

What rubbish. As a physics major, I had the pleasure of taking 16 credits in philosophy. If those classes weren't extremely progressive, I don't know what would be.

I may have had strong complaints about our theology classes, but my "required" meandering into philosophy always made me feel more alive. There's no other way to describe them.

i even wish that the inclusion of philosophy in high school curricula be institutionalized and the type of philo taught in UP be the standard..the backbone of philosophy education for all philippine universities...:D

Arrogance at its finest.

First off, your "wish" would be discounting the continental tradition of Ateneo philosophy in favor of Diliman's more analytic bent. For me, these are complementary approaches, and to ignore one would be a disservice to one's education.

Secondly, as it's probably safe to assume that you've never personally experienced an Ateneo philo class, how would you even know that UP's philo "ought" to be the standard?

[yurat]

Really? luna cyro, "... be the standard... the backbone..." how come philosophy in UP is not even a center of excellence? This is a question springing out of curiosity because I read an article or column years ago where the writer talked about the visit in our country of a noted personality in philosophy. The writer stated that the visitor's observation that he got more thought provoking questions in his talk in ateneo compared to his talk in UP. And this is no surprise, the writer went on to say, because ateneo is one of only two centers of excellence in philosophy (the other is UST). Now, this contradicts your "more progressive" "mas maganda ang discourse" assertion. Oh well, and I thought all the while that philosophy is supposed to free us from a narrow prism thru which we view reality; in this case, even a philo graduate or graduating student is not above propping something up by stepping down on others.

[physicist]

What can you say about this course? opportunities? salary? Express your thoughts about this program.*okay*

If I could stand being away from math for a long time, I would've been a philosophy major. No question. If done right, a philo program can be the best thing you can go through. But done wrong, it can be also be horridly dead.

I have many philo friends (from both sides of Katipunan), and I often find them the most interesting people to talk to. All of them seem happy (and very proud) of their college experience.

We don't talk about salaries -- it's not only rude, it's also exceptionally boring. Most have either become lawyers, gone to grad school (in a host of areas: philo, sociology, pol sci, etc) and/or have succumbed to the temptations of academia. I know several who work in banks and advertising. Some are journalists and some have even joined the clergy. Many are also passionately involved with NGOs and non-profit work.

The thing about philo is that it makes words and ideas come to life. While nurturing your innate sense of wonder, it forces you to take (otherwise ordinary) things seriously. This tends to engender a habit (and level) of critical thinking that transcends all disciplines and professions, giving good philo majors a versatility generally unmatched by those with other degrees.

Other degrees that aren't physics, of course! ;)

[Bahay_Na_Bato]

Depende siguro kung saan mo balak mag-aral ng philosophy, saka kung gaano ka kaseryoso. May mga kakilala akong Philosophy major na tumuloy nga sa law school kagaya ni luna_cyro. Merong taga Ateneo, merong taga La Salle, merong taga UP. May napunta sa Ateneo Law, at meron ding sa UP Law.

Meron din naman akong mga kakilalang philo major na nagtuturo ng philosophy sa Ateneo, kung saan sila nagtapos. Yung iba namang ka-batch nila, dahil maganda ang grades, may offer mula sa mga multinationals (hinahabol sila ng P&G saka Unilever). Ok daw kasi ang philo majors, kahit sa business (may article akong nabasa dati tungkol sa kung paanong dumadami ang mga hina-hire na non-traditional background sa mga companies).

Luna: Iba-iba yata ang approach ng mga Philippine schools sa Philosophy. Baka magbago ang tingin mo kung natikman mo yung iba?

[tyler_sci]

hmmm.. what are your thoughts about taking a minor in philosophy?? do you think its worth it??

[luna_cyro16]

... and to luna_cyro16. I tried, but just couldn't let this pass.

What rubbish. As a physics major, I had the pleasure of taking 16 credits in philosophy. If those classes weren't extremely progressive, I don't know what would be.

I may have had strong complaints about our theology classes, but my "required" meandering into philosophy always made me feel more alive. There's no other way to describe them.

Arrogance at its finest.

First off, your "wish" would be discounting the continental tradition of Ateneo philosophy in favor of Diliman's more analytic bent. For me, these are complementary approaches, and to ignore one would be a disservice to one's education.

Secondly, as it's probably safe to assume that you've never personally experienced an Ateneo philo class, how would you even know that UP's philo "ought" to be the standard?

i apologize if i offended you pero i wasnt saying po that UP is the best..i just voiced out my opinion considering kung saan ako nagaral at ano ang naging experience..i am not objectively saying that we are the best, that all of you should bow down to us..opinion ko lang po based on my experience..maybe it came off the wrong way so i apologize..

tsaka po what i said about teaching in UP being better because of the types of students, the better discourse and what-not..i just reiterated what my profs told us..what they said during our classes..and i did not pertain singly to philo profs..this is not my own bias, clear naman po na sinabi kong sabi lang yun ng profs ko..so please dont condemn me for saying that..kasi hindi po sa akin nanggaling, sa kanila po..kinukwento ko lang po..

and yes, i have yet to experience an Ateneo philo class, and i would grab any opportunity so i can experience it..

i am just saying what i wish, coming from my experiences..and just because i said i wish that it would be the backbone does not entail it being the entirety of it..i used the term to mean "basis"..and in that respect there is much room for revisions..maybe i didnt explain it well and maybe our assumptions got the better of us..again i apologize

Really? luna cyro, "... be the standard... the backbone..." how come philosophy in UP is not even a center of excellence? This is a question springing out of curiosity because I read an article or column years ago where the writer talked about the visit in our country of a noted personality in philosophy. The writer stated that the visitor's observation that he got more thought provoking questions in his talk in ateneo compared to his talk in UP. And this is no surprise, the writer went on to say, because ateneo is one of only two centers of excellence in philosophy (the other is UST). Now, this contradicts your "more progressive" "mas maganda ang discourse" assertion. Oh well, and I thought all the while that philosophy is supposed to free us from a narrow prism thru which we view reality; in this case, even a philo graduate or graduating student is not above propping something up by stepping down on others.

backbone lang po ang sabi ko..i am not saying that it should be strictly followed..tsaka po wish lang naman po yun..i apologize for the offense..

and as i mentioned above..i did not assert that UP is more progressive nor mas maganda ang discourse..i think you took it out of context..i was merely relaying what i heard from some of my UP professors who taught in other schools..i am not saying it as my own..

again i apologize..

Depende siguro kung saan mo balak mag-aral ng philosophy, saka kung gaano ka kaseryoso. May mga kakilala akong Philosophy major na tumuloy nga sa law school kagaya ni luna_cyro. Merong taga Ateneo, merong taga La Salle, merong taga UP. May napunta sa Ateneo Law, at meron ding sa UP Law.

Meron din naman akong mga kakilalang philo major na nagtuturo ng philosophy sa Ateneo, kung saan sila nagtapos. Yung iba namang ka-batch nila, dahil maganda ang grades, may offer mula sa mga multinationals (hinahabol sila ng P&G saka Unilever). Ok daw kasi ang philo majors, kahit sa business (may article akong nabasa dati tungkol sa kung paanong dumadami ang mga hina-hire na non-traditional background sa mga companies).

Luna: Iba-iba yata ang approach ng mga Philippine schools sa Philosophy. Baka magbago ang tingin mo kung natikman mo yung iba?

i understand na iba-iba po ang approach..and i welcome the opportunity to experience them all..as of now, yan lang po ang opinion ko..pero apparently, na-offend ko po kayo..and again i apologize..hindi naman po masamang magbigay ng opinion di po ba? at im not saying naman po that just because this is what i know, this is the best..im just saying that as of what i experienced, i loved how we do philo in UP..

sana naman po maintindihan niyo..wala po akong inaaway..i am not bashing your schools..im not saying that we are the best and that your schools are worthless..again i'm sorry

[physicist]

Fair enough. No offense taken.

I suppose it's just natural though that you would inherit the subtle ease with which your professors promote negative stereotypes of students not from your own. (However questionable they may be). A few Ateneo profs do that too, but I tend to take what they say with a grain of salt.

Suppose a friend told you that someone you didn't know very well was somewhat mentally challenged. After which, you conveniently relay this (however subtle) to a hundred other people (without malice) but just for the heck of it, without caring to verify for yourself. Then, when confronted by that person you hide behind "that's only what I've been told". OK, sure... but that's not really the point now, is it? In this case, one cannot plead innocence to irresponsibility.

Such is the nature of subtle stereotypes. Educated people, like us, probably ought to know better.

I wish you the best in your studies.

i apologize if i offended you pero i wasnt saying po that UP is the best..i just voiced out my opinion considering kung saan ako nagaral at ano ang naging experience..i am not objectively saying that we are the best, that all of you should bow down to us..opinion ko lang po based on my experience..maybe it came off the wrong way so i apologize..

tsaka po what i said about teaching in UP being better because of the types of students, the better discourse and what-not..i just reiterated what my profs told us..what they said during our classes..and i did not pertain singly to philo profs..this is not my own bias, clear naman po na sinabi kong sabi lang yun ng profs ko..so please dont condemn me for saying that..kasi hindi po sa akin nanggaling, sa kanila po..kinukwento ko lang po..

and yes, i have yet to experience an Ateneo philo class, and i would grab any opportunity so i can experience it..

i am just saying what i wish, coming from my experiences..and just because i said i wish that it would be the backbone does not entail it being the entirety of it..i used the term to mean "basis"..and in that respect there is much room for revisions..maybe i didnt explain it well and maybe our assumptions got the better of us..again i apologize

[Bahay_Na_Bato]

Luna:

No offense was taken by me, personally.

Sa palagay ko lang, ang isa sa mga pinakamahalagang tinuturo sa kahit anong klase sa Pilosopiya ay ang pagiging bukas sa mga hindi natin alam. Kaya nga nabanggit ko na baka mag-iba ang pagtingin mo kung nakatikim ka ng philo classes sa ibang paaralan.

Madali lang naman. Kung meron kang kaibigan na taga-ibang school, pwede ka naman sigurong makisuyo para mag sit-in sa classes nila.

[luna_cyro16]

Fair enough. No offense taken.

I suppose it's just natural though that you would inherit the subtle ease with which your professors promote negative stereotypes of students not from your own. (However questionable they may be). A few Ateneo profs do that too, but I tend to take what they say with a grain of salt.

Suppose a friend told you that someone you didn't know very well was somewhat mentally challenged. After which, you conveniently relay this (however subtle) to a hundred other people (without malice) but just for the heck of it, without caring to verify for yourself. Then, when confronted by that person you hide behind "that's only what I've been told". OK, sure... but that's not really the point now, is it? In this case, one cannot plead innocence to irresponsibility.

Such is the nature of subtle stereotypes. Educated people, like us, probably ought to know better.

I wish you the best in your studies.

i guess i didnt think of it that way..again i apologize

Luna:

No offense was taken by me, personally.

Sa palagay ko lang, ang isa sa mga pinakamahalagang tinuturo sa kahit anong klase sa Pilosopiya ay ang pagiging bukas sa mga hindi natin alam. Kaya nga nabanggit ko na baka mag-iba ang pagtingin mo kung nakatikim ka ng philo classes sa ibang paaralan.

Madali lang naman. Kung meron kang kaibigan na taga-ibang school, pwede ka naman sigurong makisuyo para mag sit-in sa classes nila.

bukas naman ako sa mga hindi ko alam at inaamin ko naman po na hindi naman po lahat ng bagay ay alam ko o kung sinumang tao.

wala po kasi akong close friend na galing sa Ateneo or sa UST..kaya po malabong mangyari yun sa ngayon..pero kung mabibigan naman po ng pagkakataon eh sasamantalahin ko na po yon.