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tamawow
Feb 16, 2009, 02:15 PM
TOSP 2009: Call for Nomination

Mabuhay!

We would like to inform you that the 2009 Search for the Ten Outstanding Students of the Philippines (TOSP) has officially started through the support of our partners, most especially the Commission on Higher Education (CHED)

TOSP is an annual search which honors Outstanding Filipino Students in Malacaņang started in 1961. In recognizing the best students, the annual TOSP search looks for graduating college students who not only have excelled academically, but have dedicated their talents and leadership abilities in making a difference and becoming socially involved in their respective communities, organizations and fields of interest, for the greater good of their constituents and members.

Colleges and universities in Regions II, III, V, VI, VII, CAR, and NCR are under Regionalized Areas. Those situated in Regions I, IV-A, IV-B, VIII, IX, X and CARAGA, XI, XII, XIII, and ARMM are under Non-Regionalized.

For Regionalized Areas, all duly accomplished nomination forms and supporting documents (bid books) should be submitted to their CHED Regional Office for Regional Screening; for Non-Regionalized
Areas, to the 2009 TOSP National Secretariat, c/o RFM Foundation, Inc., through their CHED Regional Office. Further details are mentioned in the Awards Rules, page vi.

The entire nomination kit can be downloaded through the PLDT MyPad website, http://www.mypad.net/tosp/index.aspx.

In starting the year, we hope to contribute to an optimistic environment, which we trust will infect the rest of the country. Submitting your nominees is enough reason to be positive and be hopeful. We can only imagine the rays of hope that emanate from all institutions that submit to our regional and directly to our national search.

To know more about the Search for 2009 Ten Outstanding Students of the Philippines, you may also contact the TOSP National Secretariat in these numbers: (Telephone Number) (02) 6318101 local 7802 or 7806 or (Fax) (02) 6318101 local 7673 and look for Raffy Ortega, TOSP National Program Coordinator. You may also email us at tospnatsec@gmail.com.
We look forward with much anticipation in receiving your school nominations.

THE TOSP NATIONAL SECRETARIAT

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TOSP is a commitment of RFM Foundation, Inc., RFM Corporation, Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company, The Outstanding Students of the Philippines Alumni Community, National Bookstore, and regional partners & sponsors.

joy_taurus_12
May 29, 2009, 11:05 PM
Congratulations to the students who made it to the finals and were chosen as the Ten Outstanding Students of the Philippines for 2009.

This year, all 10 finalists came from the NCR region. They are:

(not in specific order)

Stephen Michael Co - BS Biology - ADMU
Keisha Lourdes Duyongco - BS Health Sciences - ADMU
Adrian Clarc Mundin - BS Management Engineering - ADMU

Nicole Marie Villarojo - BSC Marketing Management - DLSU
Karyl Anne Factora - BS Physics - DLSU

Thermina Ann Akram - AB Mass Communications - FEU
Paul Sibug - BS Computer Science - FEU East Asia College

Jamie Pring - AB Political Science - UP Diliman

Fleur Del - Liz Berlin Estomo AB Communication - Assumption Col.

Mariefe Del Mundo - Bachelor in Cooperatives - PUP


According to award rules, a university can field a maximum of 3 candidates while a college is allowed 2.

This year, all of Ateneo's entries made it to the final roster. :)

I_M_U
May 30, 2009, 04:49 PM
Congrats sa ADMU...

KuyaDanny
May 30, 2009, 08:27 PM
Congratulations to the ten outstanding students. May your friends and peers emulate your good example.

philippines123
May 30, 2009, 08:35 PM
Any criteria?

I think It will be very hard to choose the most outstanding students from a very huge school like UP D for example. The College of Engg, Buss.Ad and Econ for example a have a bunch of CL and MCL-standing student leaders alone, members of at least 2 organizations/student councils/frat/soro...

Anyway, I think as I have read in similar posts in other forums... employment screenings at Unilever, Procter and Gamble, Shell, McKinsey and Chevron have better selection criteria in choosing the most outstanding students in the country (kase they are targeting only the best).

joshua3
May 30, 2009, 08:52 PM
Galing naman ng Ateneo 3/3 pasok! *okay*

Congrats to all 10 awardees! Kung anuman na-achieve nyo na at this time, sana palawigin nyo pa and hope you guys make a difference in the future.

Interesting yung course nung taga-PUP, Bachelor in Cooperatives. Mukhang maraming matutulungan ito pag nagkataon. Goodluck! :)

joy_taurus_12
May 31, 2009, 01:22 PM
Bakit laging may excuse ang ibang taga UP dito? Don't tell me this award / recognition is hardly given importance in your school. Naka advertise to sa official website ng UP schools.

kunanagel
May 31, 2009, 02:58 PM
Any criteria?

I think It will be very hard to choose the most outstanding students from a very huge school like UP D for example. The College of Engg, Buss.Ad and Econ for example a have a bunch of CL and MCL-standing student leaders alone, members of at least 2 organizations/student councils/frat/soro...

Anyway, I think as I have read in similar posts in other forums... employment screenings at Unilever, Procter and Gamble, Shell, McKinsey and Chevron have better selection criteria in choosing the most outstanding students in the country (kase they are targeting only the best).

i agree... i think hindi ganun ka-prestigious ang TOSP. ;)

eh sa daming mas magagaling na UP-Diliman students, iisa lang ang nakapasok?

joy_taurus_12
May 31, 2009, 03:28 PM
Unilever, P&G, Nestle, etc hire graduates from Ateneo, DLSU, and UP almost equally. I just know because I work in the advertising industry and these companies you mention are just some of our clients.

Post a clear proof that UP grads dominate the list of employees in these companies and people will believe you. Wag basta basta mag claim ng walang proof.

Napaghahalata lang kasing bitter ang iba.

blueeagle05336
May 31, 2009, 05:24 PM
Why do UP people always have to resort to sourgraping every time they get beaten in something? For heaven's sake, whenever you guys at Diliman achieve something, we never go all about saying how this particular achievement does not carry any prestige or whatnot. Please, UP people. The TOSP is the most prestigious in the Philippines in that it is the official award in that particular style given by the government. Yes, the government, the same entity that administers UP. Can you give us Ateneans a break? Please don't let us reach the point when the whole country begins to equate UP's famed tapang at talino to yabang at kitid ng utak. We are just asking for the respect we, as Ateneans in equal standing with UP people, deserve.

fortherecord
May 31, 2009, 08:29 PM
Top ten list pa nga lang talo na agad? :naughty:

giansamson2006
May 31, 2009, 08:57 PM
Why do UP people always have to resort to sourgraping every time they get beaten in something? For heaven's sake, whenever you guys at Diliman achieve something, we never go all about saying how this particular achievement does not carry any prestige or whatnot. Please, UP people. The TOSP is the most prestigious in the Philippines in that it is the official award in that particular style given by the government. Yes, the government, the same entity that administers UP. Can you give us Ateneans a break? Please don't let us reach the point when the whole country begins to equate UP's famed tapang at talino to yabang at kitid ng utak. We are just asking for the respect we, as Ateneans in equal standing with UP people, deserve.

They don't represent UP. Bad eggs lang yan. :)

meton
May 31, 2009, 09:09 PM
thanks to all those who congratulated me.. i truly deserved it. thanks.

nikkilove
May 31, 2009, 09:19 PM
Ang cute, may dalawang FEU.

I'm not going to press that those 2 students from my school are better than the students of certain great schools out there, however if it's by chance that they have met certain criteria, give credit to where its due, since annual naman yan, so maybe just for this batch.

Like in the board and bar exams, sometimes, nag shi shift naman talaga ang favor, there are years na mas dominated ng Ateneo ang Bar, minsan UP. In med, although dominated ng UP at UST ang top 10, may mga tiga ibang schools din naman na nakakapasok, like the recent med board exams, FEU got the 1st and 2nd placers.

Every generation or batch, iba iba naman talaga ang performance, hindi dahil, nung nakarang taon, madaming pumasok na top 10 placers from one school, guaranteed na this year the new batch will do the same, it's up to them to prove that there's consistency, one can not always claim glory from the efforts of the previous generation in annual competitions like this.

Especially here, where students and their own effort naman ang tintingnan, not necessarily the school where they're from.

Just my opinion.

nikkilove
May 31, 2009, 10:58 PM
Just to add, if you want only students from your own school to be the winners all the time, create your own award giving bodies.

The Ten outstanding students of the Philippines from my school.

sanpo
Jun 1, 2009, 03:20 AM
I personally know Stephen Michael Co (BS bio - admu). I was a batch ahead of him. Nakawork ko siya in an org, and all I can say is he definitely is one of the best students of the Phils. Wala ka masasabi sa kanya about attitude/discipline/talino/motivation.

Congratulations to others who were chosen as well as to their respective institutions! :okay:

philippines123
Jun 1, 2009, 03:46 PM
Basta ako I ask lang for criteria on choosing the best students. Regardless of who the winners are, I am more particular with the criteria.

And on saying top companies hiring UP grads, it is true. I didn't and never say UP is dominating... But UP grads can easily ace their selection thru series of entrance exams, resume and interviews, which, I think, can be considered more efficient measure of selecting the top students in the country.

Basta I am more particular about the criteria. If this cause any insecurities to others, then problem na nila yon.

joy_taurus_12
Jun 1, 2009, 05:24 PM
Feedback from many HR depts, many UP grads don't do well during the interview.

On the criteria for TOSP - selection is based on the following:
Academic performance, Leadership skills, and Social initiative

Siguro nga kung academic performance lang, maraming lalamang na UP grads. Kaso. it's not the only criterion in the TOSP.

izko
Jun 1, 2009, 05:25 PM
^
I think you are talking about the criteria for "Best Employees". Hihi.

tamawow
Jun 1, 2009, 06:48 PM
Erratum: The abovementioned names are awardees in the regional (National Capital Region) leg of the search for the Ten Outstanding Students of the Philippines.

I guess what's good about this search program is that it recognizes that no school has a monopoly of outstanding students. Well, as Rizal puts it "Genius is universal".

Also, I like how they view the word OUTSTANDING. Basing from the criteria (academic excellence, social responsibility, leadership track record), I surmise that these students are most likely the ones who would make a difference for the country over those who are ONLY academically excellent.

TOSP's mantra, I have come to know, is LEARNING, LEADING, SERVING for life.

philippines123
Jun 1, 2009, 06:52 PM
Feedback from many HR depts, many UP grads don't do well during the interview.

On the criteria for TOSP - selection is based on the following:
Academic performance, Leadership skills, and Social initiative

Siguro nga kung academic performance lang, maraming lalamang na UP grads. Kaso. it's not the only criterion in the TOSP.

yes, I have to agree that many UP grads, esp. those who graduated from provincial high schools, lack very good communication skills. But that doesn't mean that UP grads are inferior to others. Again, intelligence is not measured from your communication skills.

But then, comm skills is good only for sales and marketing position most of the time, and basically, where UP and Ateneo mostly has equal no. of employees.

Ateneo grads (and DLSU too) are good in English because that is expected of rich kids. All the rich kids in UP have no problem in their comm skills.

For R&D and Process Engg positions, you can not equate your so-called brilliant comm skills to someone's innovative capability esp that UP has training and research-based curriculum.
And beside, for prestigious companies like McKinsey, I never heard of someone from other universities other than UP who receives invitation to join the company.

philippines123
Jun 1, 2009, 07:20 PM
Here's a related link for this contest (though pang 2008 lang ito):
http://www.ched.gov.ph/whatsnew/TOSP2008/2008%20Regionalized%20Award%20Rules.pdf

So what can we say?
Who are the judges by the way, both from the school selection and the regional selection? And also, in the upcoming national selection? May public interviews ba dito?

Tingin ko, those who only saw the advertisement will nominate someone, while the others simply don't care. I haven't seen any active nomination process in school (unlike for the college recognition awards or the gawad chancellor awards) for this contest. Don't know in the case of other schools.

If these points irritate others, hehehe... it's your problem na. After all, any reaction from UP is considered a bitter reaction here. Hehehe

KuyaDanny
Jun 1, 2009, 07:58 PM
I surmise that these students are most likely the ones who would make a difference for the country over those who are ONLY academically excellent.


If I may add, they are most likely to make a difference if they don't become complacent or arrogant.

zodiac
Jun 1, 2009, 08:16 PM
Here's a related link for this contest (though pang 2008 lang ito):
http://www.ched.gov.ph/whatsnew/TOSP2008/2008%20Regionalized%20Award%20Rules.pdf

So what can we say?
Who are the judges by the way, both from the school selection and the regional selection? And also, in the upcoming national selection? May public interviews ba dito?

Tingin ko, those who only saw the advertisement will nominate someone, while the others simply don't care. I haven't seen any active nomination process in school (unlike for the college recognition awards or the gawad chancellor awards) for this contest. Don't know in the case of other schools.

If these points irritate others, hehehe... it's your problem na. After all, any reaction from UP is considered a bitter reaction here. Hehehe



I can't believe that someone from UP (or maybe a wannabe) would be this insecure, get a life

:mecry:

philippines123
Jun 1, 2009, 08:21 PM
I read from an article... Ricardo Puno, Raul Roco and a certain Garchitorena (Head of Ayala Foundation) are among its past winners. So ok naman pala talaga.

Saka well rounded students possess both academic and leadership excellence...but then, 1 criterion is social responsibility (sort'a) and attitude, I believe, which will all come out in the interview process. =)

Well, I wish them all luck. I hope provincial students win in the national level.

tamawow
Jun 1, 2009, 08:48 PM
Tingin ko, those who only saw the advertisement will nominate someone, while the others simply don't care. I haven't seen any active nomination process in school (unlike for the college recognition awards or the gawad chancellor awards) for this contest. Don't know in the case of other schools.


If that's the case for UP Diliman, then that captures why, maybe, it's difficult for your school nominees to be part of the ten (regional/national). Ateneo and FEU both conduct their respective institutional searches to assure that they send students who best qualify to represent their schools based on the GIVEN criteria. Sometimes, strategy na rin yan ng mga schools. I heard from a friend that MIKAELA FUDOLIG (that genius kid from UPD Physics) was sent to represent UP for TOSP. Yes, she's summa, incontestably cerebral, and all, but since she lacked social responsibility/ leadership track record, it is still not befitting for her to be a TOSP awardee, even in the NCR level. That was in 2007.

Point is: one must be well-rounded.



If these points irritate others, hehehe... it's your problem na. After all, any reaction from UP is considered a bitter reaction here. Hehehe

Not really.

philippines123
Jun 1, 2009, 09:01 PM
I can't believe that someone from UP (or maybe a wannabe) would be this insecure, get a life

:mecry:

As expected, somebody just got my point. Anyone who will raise questions regarding the whole selection process from level 1 to national level, the preliminary/final criteria (if there are different sets) or judges of the past and the upcoming events will be branded INSECURE!!!

Unlike the THES QS survey, I congratulate those who made it to top 10. But just like any other surveys/award giving bodies, I am particular with the criteria/selection process and the judges. Gets? Or you need a life, too, ate?

tamawow
Jun 1, 2009, 09:15 PM
i agree... i think hindi ganun ka-prestigious ang TOSP. ;)

eh sa daming mas magagaling na UP-Diliman students, iisa lang ang nakapasok?

Can you come up with a logic better than that, PLEASE? :bop:

zodiac
Jun 1, 2009, 09:18 PM
As expected, somebody just got my point. Anyone who will raise questions regarding the whole selection process from level 1 to national level, the preliminary/final criteria (if there are different sets) or judges of the past and the upcoming events will be branded INSECURE!!!

Unlike the THES QS survey, I congratulate those who made it to top 10. But just like any other surveys/award giving bodies, I am particular with the criteria/selection process and the judges. Gets? Or you need a life, too, ate?




Why can't you accept the fact that there are better students from other schools aside from your overrated alma mater.

If UP had three qualifiers, would you still make irrational posts ?

:eek:

Bahay_Na_Bato
Jun 1, 2009, 09:39 PM
There's no problem with raising questions about criteria.

It's when creatures resort to such questions to engage in pissing contests that they feel more comfortable with that raising questions like these becomes an occasion to call such creatures insecure.

I am, of course, referring to no one in particular.

joy_taurus_12
Jun 1, 2009, 10:57 PM
Just because you haven't seen the "active nomination process" in your school doesn't mean it does not actually exist. lol

You have been hanging out with Warwick too much. lol

You wont be mistaken for being insecure and bitter had you not made a blind assumption that the selection process in the TOSP is of lesser quality than the employment process in the big companies you mentioned when in fact you didn't even know the crtieria of the former.

You easily dismiss the relevance of such recognitions just because you believe it does not "target the best students" whom you also believe are only found in your school.

And FYI, there are Atenean graduates in Mckinsey.

chronobreak18
Jun 1, 2009, 11:15 PM
yes, I have to agree that many UP grads, esp. those who graduated from provincial high schools, lack very good communication skills. But that doesn't mean that UP grads are inferior to others. Again, intelligence is not measured from your communication skills.

But then, comm skills is good only for sales and marketing position most of the time, and basically, where UP and Ateneo mostly has equal no. of employees.

Ateneo grads (and DLSU too) are good in English because that is expected of rich kids. All the rich kids in UP have no problem in their comm skills.

For R&D and Process Engg positions, you can not equate your so-called brilliant comm skills to someone's innovative capability esp that UP has training and research-based curriculum.
And beside, for prestigious companies like McKinsey, I never heard of someone from other universities other than UP who receives invitation to join the company.

http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/who_is_mckinsey/who_we_are/our_people/consultant/Jennifer%20K.aspx

Well, I think you know one now. :D

n3X
Jun 2, 2009, 06:46 AM
Ateneo grads (and DLSU too) are good in English because that is expected of rich kids. All the rich kids in UP have no problem in their comm skills.

And beside, for prestigious companies like McKinsey, I never heard of someone from other universities other than UP who receives invitation to join the company.

Haha Quite true sa first part. But actually from what I heard the only one who got in McKinsey from last year's batch was from Ateneo. Again, communication skills. Function din naman talaga kasi ito ng class. Like sa debate. Oh well.

We are just asking for the respect we, as Ateneans in equal standing with UP people, deserve.

Siguro some Ateneans are in equal standing or even better than some UP people. But as a class? :rolleyes:

Anyway for the TOSP, I dont think merong active involvement ang UP. Bahala yung students sumali or whatever. Ganun naman talaga diba. Unlike sa Ateneo na very conscious yung efforts sa leadership development (I heard sa student orgs pa lang dependent ang survival nila sa demonstration nito). But I think on a different level sa UP. Student politics pa lang and the diversity of types of orgs that produces different kinds of leadership opportunities. In any case, kahit ako di ako nananalig sa TOSP na yan. Paano kung anti-establishment ka na student leader, which is the typical case in UP, do you think the RFM Foundation and CHED would dare present these guys to Malacaņang? Goodluck na lang.

Finally, ano naman din ngayon kung maraming sinasabi yung mga taga-UP dito. E alam naman nating matalak naman talaga kami. Anyone's free to defend their school or whatever. Yun nga gamit nitong fora e. Kung displeased kayo or whatever, evaluate and attack yung points made. Hindi yung you guys are singling us out because we defend our school. If you see that its a sign of insecurity, demonstrate it! Show dont tell. Prove it.

So kung sinabi na:


I think It will be very hard to choose the most outstanding students from a very huge school like UP D for example. The College of Engg, Buss.Ad and Econ for example a have a bunch of CL and MCL-standing student leaders alone, members of at least 2 organizations/student councils/frat/soro...

Anyway, I think as I have read in similar posts in other forums... employment screenings at Unilever, Procter and Gamble, Shell, McKinsey and Chevron have better selection criteria in choosing the most outstanding students in the country (kase they are targeting only the best).

Yung first part, I would believe its the case. Take Marian Panganiban, I would consider her as one of one of the top/best students of the country. Summa ng Econ, very active in a lot of orgs and a student leader. Lumabas ba siya sa TOSP? How about yung ibang Science and Engg graduates (some who even placed better than Stephen Co of AdMU sa DOST), lumabas din ba sila? The case is ang raming student achievers sa UP or in other top schools who could be better pa than those who are in the TOSP. Lets congratulate those who made it sa TOSP but its not a numbers game (simplistic thinking really, three Ateneans in ten awardees does not make Ateneo the best school). The quality or level of students differ from one school to another.

Dun sa second part, while it is true that large/top companies also target the best, we cant place the connection na they have "better selection criteria in choosing the most outstanding students." Its more on finding a right fit between their organizations and these students. Diba, different jobs require different competencies. E paano kung yung student e Comparative Literature or Architecture, e di siguro naman mababa sila dun sa criteria of these companies. At saka coming from someone from UP (taga-UP ka ba?), ang sad naman na yung criteria galing pa ng corporate firms. How about scholarship? How about yung development nung person as a human being? But going back dun sa TOSP criteria, meron ngang God criterion e. E paano kung atheist yung student? Hahaha Anyway okay na to.

Dacs
Jun 2, 2009, 08:36 AM
UP people, you've got to realize that UP doesn't have the monopoly of the best students in the Philippines.

IMHO however, this is more on the individual side than the institutions side since the award recognizes individuals, not the institutions they're affiliated to.

philippines123
Jun 2, 2009, 08:17 PM
UP people, you've got to realize that UP doesn't have the monopoly of the best students in the Philippines.

IMHO however, this is more on the individual side than the institutions side since the award recognizes individuals, not the institutions they're affiliated to.

I agree on the 2nd paragraph... kaya nga I am asking for criteria, and the selection process, regardless of how I ask for them. These 2things reflect more on the individual's side- their competencies, their competitive advantage and their well-being as a whole, and not the institution.

Kaya nga yung ibang creatures dito, mega react agad and branded anyone questionning the criteria and selection process insecure... which, actually, describes how narrow-minded and insecure, they are. Ayun. Sopla naman sila.

They even say that UP pexers claimed that UP dominates everything on earth... though there has been no such post. Nakakatawa lang.

I also know a summa cum laude, former USC councilor, dept. paper EIC, officer of an Academic Org and a provincial organization... and yet when I called her last night, she said she's unaware of TOSP thing, and she won't bother joining.

So truly, Lucky are those who have seen the advertisement, they were able to join the contest. And I don't UP has lost anything if no Isko made the cut. Afterall, just like any Quiz Bees, this contest is purely an extra-curricular activity only, though a little more prestigious nga lang.

philippines123
Jun 2, 2009, 08:25 PM
http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/who_is_mckinsey/who_we_are/our_people/consultant/Jennifer%20K.aspx

Well, I think you know one now. :D

Thanks for the information, and I appreciate your effort for the research.

I think I have given this thread too much spice and entertainment.
As I have said in my previous post, I hope the national champion will come from a provincial school. I really hope so.

I am resting my case... officially.

joshua3
Jun 2, 2009, 10:28 PM
There's no problem with raising questions about criteria.

It's when creatures resort to such questions to engage in pissing contests that they feel more comfortable with that raising questions like these becomes an occasion to call such creatures insecure.

I am, of course, referring to no one in particular.

I'd rather call these people UNHAPPY creatures. :D Huwag nang magkunwari, halata naman eh. Kung totoong may nais lang liwanagin, maitatanong naman iyon ng maayos na hindi magrereflect yung insecurity, inggit o pagkadismaya. Ano ba, mahirap bang makisaya sa tagumpay ng iba sa labas ng iyong pamilya, kaibigan, komunidad, paaralan, etc.? *peace*

I am asking no one in particular. ;)

Bahay_Na_Bato
Jun 2, 2009, 10:45 PM
Can someone please clarify if the TOSP is a contest? Because that's how some posters in this thread want to turn most things into: pissing contests that they imagine they can have some sort of advantage in.

juncarlo
Jun 2, 2009, 11:53 PM
Bakit kapag tuwing nauunahan ang UP-D laging may violent reactions?

(Like when ADMU got ahead of UP in some survey some months ago...)

physicist
Jun 3, 2009, 02:26 AM
And beside, for prestigious companies like McKinsey, I never heard of someone from other universities other than UP who receives invitation to join the company.

I love that idiotic misconceptions/suggestions like this are so easily squashed by as simple an act as googling.

physicist
Jun 3, 2009, 04:59 AM
But actually from what I heard the only one who got in McKinsey from last year's batch was from Ateneo.

True.

How about yung ibang Science and Engg graduates (some who even placed better than Stephen Co of AdMU sa DOST), lumabas din ba sila?

There was only one -- Solon, from UP Physics. If it were up to me, I'd give him all the academic student awards of his year, but that's really just my physics bias showing. Perhaps his resume didn't suit the TOSP criteria.

Not to worry though, because he's receiving more important "awards" that I'm sure you'll be hearing about pretty soon.

The case is ang raming student achievers sa UP or in other top schools who could be better pa than those who are in the TOSP.

Very true. In any selection process based on arbitrary criteria, there will always be some other person's "best" falling through the sieve.

Lets congratulate those who made it sa TOSP but its not a numbers game (simplistic thinking really, three Ateneans in ten awardees does not make Ateneo the best school)

I echo this sentiment, only to add that based on my reading of the transcript I don't think anyone is suggesting Ateneo's better than UP based merely on this. There have also been years when only one (or even none, maybe?) from Ateneo made it to the TOSP.

It's an award for individuals. We should be celebrating them.

Dun sa second part, while it is true that large/top companies also target the best, we cant place the connection na they have "better selection criteria in choosing the most outstanding students." Its more on finding a right fit between their organizations and these students. Diba, different jobs require different competencies. E paano kung yung student e Comparative Literature or Architecture, e di siguro naman mababa sila dun sa criteria of these companies. At saka coming from someone from UP (taga-UP ka ba?), ang sad naman na yung criteria galing pa ng corporate firms. How about scholarship? How about yung development nung person as a human being? But going back dun sa TOSP criteria, meron ngang God criterion e. E paano kung atheist yung student? Hahaha Anyway okay na to.

I agree once again.

How does one decide on the "best selection criteria" free from the crutch of one's own arbitrary criteria?

physicist
Jun 3, 2009, 05:18 AM
But then, comm skills is good only for sales and marketing position most of the time

That a presumably "educated" person would say this is outrightly shocking.

I certainly hope that this is not what they're teaching you in school these days. Your assertion certainly puts into question why UP would bother requiring communication classes in its general curriculum.

Zorro_Legend
Jun 3, 2009, 10:26 AM
@Physicist

Actually, with the RGEP, UP students don't need to take comm classes...we need to take 15 units of Arts and Humanities (where the comm classes fall), but the 15 units could be divided anywhere between Art Studies classes, Landscape Arki, Pan Pilipino subjects, European Languages, Literature, English Classes, Comm classes...and that's just the tip of the iceberg. :)

physicist
Jun 3, 2009, 11:01 AM
Kaya nga yung ibang creatures dito, mega react agad and branded anyone questionning the criteria and selection process insecure... which, actually, describes how narrow-minded and insecure, they are. Ayun. Sopla naman sila.

Your case is best served if we also found you questioning criteria in threads that celebrate UP's success.

Your patterns disclose your motives, and your undeserved hubris.

They even say that UP pexers claimed that UP dominates everything on earth... though there has been no such post. Nakakatawa lang.

Ibid.

Actions speak louder than words.

I also know a summa cum laude, former USC councilor, dept. paper EIC, officer of an Academic Org and a provincial organization... and yet when I called her last night, she said she's unaware of TOSP thing, and she won't bother joining. So truly, Lucky are those who have seen the advertisement, they were able to join the contest.

Your institution nominates students. One doesn't just sign up. I guess she can endorse herself or ask someone to do so.. but that will be just kapal ng mukha.

philippines123
Jun 3, 2009, 01:24 PM
bakit parang napikon si physicist sa mga post ko?
E di naman kagandahan ang sagot nya...
Jusme, wala akong kasalanan kung magkasakit yan ha... lol

OnT:

Regional qualifying palang naman ang andito... we can expect more well-rounded creatures este candidates from the provinces...
Hopefully someone from Southern tagalog won!

Bahay_Na_Bato
Jun 3, 2009, 02:53 PM
You have been hanging out with Warwick too much. lol

Aha! No wonder the posts fall into such an amusing pattern! :)




Again:


Can someone please clarify if the TOSP is a contest? Because that's how some posters in this thread want to turn most things into: pissing contests that they imagine they can have some sort of advantage in.

giansamson2006
Jun 3, 2009, 05:47 PM
@Physicist

Actually, with the RGEP, UP students don't need to take comm classes...we need to take 15 units of Arts and Humanities (where the comm classes fall), but the 15 units could be divided anywhere between Art Studies classes, Landscape Arki, Pan Pilipino subjects, European Languages, Literature, English Classes, Comm classes...and that's just the tip of the iceberg. :)

That depends actually. In the College of Engineering, 9 units should be in English Communication subjects. I think the same goes for the College of Business Administration.

ronelio
Jun 6, 2009, 04:48 PM
i guess *** 3 from AdMU are regional winners pa lang. wala pa namang national winners as of today, right? 10 winners per region at gagawing 20 finalists yan. then mag workshop ang top 20 tapos punta sila malacaņang to announce the top 10:lol::lol::lol:

ronelio
Jun 6, 2009, 04:52 PM
i'm just wondering na walang regional winners from among the 18 summa of UPD. last year, UPD had 15 summa but walang nanalo. si theresa licaros (bb pilipinas 2007, broadcomm summa 2005 and UP Law cum laude 2009) ang last winner from UPD.:lol::lol::lol:

seta0520
Jun 7, 2009, 12:24 AM
OT:
My god, UP registration is horrible... bloody reg area looked like an evacuation area... Then friend of mine ran out of Math 53 classes coz all her majors were in the way and Math 53 is a very important pre-req for all her archi majors...so ran to the math dept, tried POLITELY to explain the situation to the lady there and got a good tonguelashing in return along the lines of oh... "take it or leave it and get out!" so yeah...UP...SIMPLY oozing with great comm skills...yes really...

*highlights for irony, sarcasm and bla bla bla...

On-topic:
anyway...its not all brains... seriously...its not even all skill... its not even all looks and comm skills... its the entire package...and imho the criteria of this "contest" (note quotes) is already sound by the mere fact that it is multi-faceted looking into acads, leadership and social intiative... (quantiative and qualitative measurements) not everything is quantitative...

and yes, qualitative data analysis IS a sound measure of scientific analysis... check Scrimshaw's Rapid Analysis and Siedels Noticing, Thinking Model for Qualitative data analysis...hahaha my two centavos.

Future_Lawyer
Jul 3, 2009, 10:20 PM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090703-213593/10-outstanding-students-named

Congrats to the 2009 TOSP Awardees!!! 6 from Visayas and 4 from Luzon

1.Roger Flores of the Philippine Military Academy
2.Miguel Antonio Garcia of University of San Carlos
3.Aidel Paul Belamide of the University of the Philippines-Los Baņos
4.Ann Crusit of University of Bohol
5.Paul John Gesta of University of Cebu
6.Adrian Clarc Mundin of Ateneo de Manila University
7.Stacy Danika Alcantara of Silliman University
8.Stephen Alexeus Baltazar of University of San Carlos
9.Nicole Marie Villarojo of De La Salle University
10.Carlos Gerogalin Jr. of West Negros University

philippines123
Jul 5, 2009, 10:28 AM
Congrats po sa mga provincial students... at sa taga-PMA (future chief-of-staff ba?)

I read from an article na 1 UAAP gold medallist sa football ay grumaduate na SUMma cum laude sa UPD, BS Physics... nakapagproduce na rin sya ng 3 researches na na-publish in different research publications... pero syempre, di sya kasama dito kase baka walang social relevance ang iba pa nyang ginagawang activities sa buhay...

p1215
Jul 5, 2009, 03:23 PM
Ang pinakasimpleng sagot ay di siya kasama dahil di siya nominee. Ayaw magpanominate kaya walang nagnominate.

Pero kahit kasama sa nominees baka hindi din makasama sa last ten dahil sa malawak na misimpression na walang social relevance and basic research.

Congrats po sa mga provincial students... at sa taga-PMA (future chief-of-staff ba?)

I read from an article na 1 UAAP gold medallist sa football ay grumaduate na SUMma cum laude sa UPD, BS Physics... nakapagproduce na rin sya ng 3 researches na na-publish in different research publications... pero syempre, di sya kasama dito kase baka walang social relevance ang iba pa nyang ginagawang activities sa buhay...

philippines123
Jul 7, 2009, 07:29 AM
Magandang malaman ang magiging takbo ng career ng mga napiling 10 Most Outstadning students na yan...
Who knows... another Raul Roco? Future president? Future Nobel Prize winner?

Sana meron mag-post ng naging buhay at karanasan ng mga nanalo sa mga nakalipas na taon!

Congrats muli at Mabuhay ang pinakamahuhusay na estudyanteng Pinoy!