studying in US

[punk ass]

which do u think offers a better education? sa states or sa manila?

sa manila, your school could be the top 3 universities like UP, ADMU, or DLSU....sa states naman? d ko alam e....so what do u think?

[NOKiE]

Unfortunately, there's nothing much to say about our elementary & high school levels, though their public school systems do better than their private counterparts. Our best high schools probably won't stand a chance against St. Francis School let alone CSA and Don Bosco and others...

Sa university level, well, all depends on your major, but here are some:
NYU, Stanford, Harvard, Dartmouth, MIT, UC Berkeley, UC Davis, UCLA, hmm...also SJSU (ideal for Silicon Valley Technology). I'm sure there are some others. The top 3 in California are Stanford, UC Berkeley, and UCLA (I think).

[punk ass]

pero which do u prefer? with regards to like environment, quality, way of living, etc. although i can't cross out working in the states while studying coz i really have to exert myself.

[pale_pilsen]

punk ***, are you trying to get into grad/professional school or undergrad? what is your preferred major?

[NOKiE]

I like the hustle-n-bustle atmosphere--Berkeley, UCLA, NYU, even Stanford. UC Davis is out in the boonies--too quiet. I'm not familiar with any others especially outside California.

Being a working student is one of some major factors to consider when choosing a university, though probably the best bet is to get in a decent community college and take care of your gen. ed, your lower division courses for your major, and your required units (around 60, about 2 years worth). It's way way less expensive this way...

[tokyo_nikko_83]

Hey! Nice topic!
Personally,I don't really see any difference with studying in the Philippines as opposed to studying here in the States. I mean, I was in the Philippines till' my 2nd year of high school, and i though it was good. I'm a Junior in a high school here in southern california, and i think it's just as good. In terms of the environment, no doubt that it is better here in socal. however, when it comes to the rigor of the programs and classes, i think they're in par with each other. The only different i see between the schools here and in the philippines are the people. my classmates here are of diverse backgrounds. I don't mind being around people of differnt nationalities though. I'm pretty much adjusted with it. I can't help but put up with it.
As far as college is concerned, I have plans to go to UCLA, UC Berkeley and UC Davis. My brother and I have been thinking of either going to college in the PI or just stay here and then go back. I, personally, have resorted to stay here and have my education, and then go back there and look for job, in a company, or make my own business.
If you have anymore questions. Please email me at janpaul106@aol.com or just reply.

[punk ass]

Originally posted by pale_pilsen
punk ***, are you trying to get into grad/professional school or undergrad? what is your preferred major?

undergrad...taking majoring in IT from DLSU

[- Caligirl -]

It all depends. If you have plans of working in the US, getting a US degree will be your best bet. Though the education in both countries are comparable, US companies hardly recognize Philippine universties..(except for UP) In fact, (sad to say) you'd have more chances landing a good job with a degree from a less known US college/university than a 'top' school in PI.

[pale_pilsen]

yes caligirl is right, if you're planning to work in the us, ur best bet is to get ur degree here. i dont think there is an IT major specifically, kasi people who work in that field graduate from various majors. if it's MIS, comsci, or the like, well, there are a lot of good schools. aside from the powerhouse MIT, i think carnegie mellon, upenn, virginia tech, and univ. of texas are good (im listing them from the top of my head).

even if you take a different major, say econ, history, or something else, you can STILL get an IT job. thats the beauty of studying here, most companies are not major specific because they have training programs anyway to compensate for what you need to know. for example, you may graduate as a history major and work in a finance/consulting firm, or you may be poly sci major and be a stockbroker. unless the career you are thinking of getting into is REALLY specific, say computer engineering (hardware) or biotech, then you need to come from a certain major to qualify. other than that, its how u perform overall, what you do outside of your academics (work, internships, etc) and how you present yourself to the company (interviews, cover letters, etc.)

i am actually graduating this spring and im looking for a job as a web designer. we do have comsci here, pero from the classes i have taken, mukhang hindi talaga applicable. if i had the chance to do it all over again, i would have taken studio art.

anyway, good luck!

[punk ass]

Originally posted by - Caligirl -
It all depends. If you have plans of working in the US, getting a US degree will be your best bet. Though the education in both countries are comparable, US companies hardly recognize Philippine universties..(except for UP) In fact, (sad to say) you'd have more chances landing a good job with a degree from a less known US college/university than a 'top' school in PI.

salamat guys! by the way, san ka sa cali? parang nalulungkot ako pumunta dyan... haaayyy

[Pepe]

I can almost say that the theories taught in Philippine universities and universities overseas are all the same. In fact, it is way better in the Philippines. However, the facilities available to students (computers [hardware and software], internet connection [wired and wireless], laboratories, books and journals and other supplies and equipment) are way too advanced overseas.

If you can afford it, I would recommend getting a higher degree overseas after finishing your undergraduate degree. That way, you will have the best of both worlds - by the time you graduate from your undergraduate course, you will be mature enough not to handle the hussle of living alone.

Good luck!

[NOKiE]

Since you're in IT, San Jose State University is very competitive, especially since it is located in Silicon Valley land, that is if you decide to move in California...

[_Mase_]

Hmm...I thought Stanford University owned the land Silicon Vally is on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

[NOKiE]

Stanford? Well, they needed money back in the '40s or '50s to support their massive real-estate, so they leased spaces to different tech corporations including Lockheed, GE, HP, etc. I'm not sure how long the lease is for or if the land was ever bought out from Stanford. Of course, since then, more and more tech businesses moved in making Silicon Valley more of a prominent presence in the Bay Area. Nowadays, all a company needs is to put up a building anywhere in the Santa Clara - Peninsula area to be considered "within Silicon Valley."

...and then there's the power crisis with constant threat of "rolling black-outs." Of course, many blamed Silicon Valley among other causes. BWISET, akala ko di ko na mararanasan 'yan!!!

It's insensible going to Stanford to take IT courses when SJSU is equally competitive and reputable at a reasonable price. That college is obnoxiously EXPENSIVE!!! I would NOT even consider that campus unless if my major would be medicine or med reasearch or what not :D :D :D

[phantom]

The top schools/universities in Manila can compete very well with many good schools in the US. This is probably true also with top schools in other non-western countries, e.g., China and India. Many graduates from those institutions are able to "infiltrate" elite companies here.

Now back to schools in the US.

Of course, given a choice, we'd all love to go to Ivy League schools or the so-called Big Five (Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Princeton, and Stanford). The fact is, your choice of schools is not limited by your level of income alone. You (*note*: you here is general) may have the moolah, but if you haven't got what a particular school wants (SAT scores, previous academic performance, etc), you're out. This is specially true if you're an undergrad.

Be practical, as Americans are known to be. Unless you're a descendant of Carnegie, Ford, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, etc., choose the school which can offer you the most. Higher education here is rated/ranked annually according to some criteria. If you want to specialize in IT, for example, you don't want to go to Amherst College, Smith College, Brown University, Darmouth, etc. Unless, you just want to be associated with these elite schools and rub elbows with sons and daughters of US top politicians (president, senators, and congressmen). ;) Remember JFK Jr? He went to a school only the rich and famous can remember. :D

Choose wisely. Get informed. You're lucky you live in this great age of computers where the information you want is just a mouse click away.

Cheers!

[Edited by phantom on 02-18-2001 at 11:56 AM]

[cHaSeR]

Well, if you've got the money and the means, it would be really great to study in the States. I don't know but I've always had this impression that Filipino employers always hire graduates from universities in the States.

[sisig101]

Originally posted by _Mase_
Hmm...I thought Stanford University owned the land Silicon Vally is on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

There's a growing debate where "Silicon valley" is. Silicon valley is not located on a specific city.

It started in the San Mateo and Palo Alto area where Stanford is located. HP, Sun and Oracle lives in this area.

Of course, with limited land, IT companies spread to the San Jose area(south of palo alto). Netscape, Intel and others lives there.

People here identify "Silicon Valley" as the area of San Mateo down to South San Jose.

[sisig101]

Originally posted by NOKiE
Since you're in IT, San Jose State University is very competitive, especially since it is located in Silicon Valley land, that is if you decide to move in California...

I think this school is just taking advantage of the "Silicon Valley" hype since it's one of the few schools that is located in San Jose.

As I recall, Cal State universities (San Jose State, Cal State hayward etc.) are not as good as UC's (UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC Davis etc.).

I don't even want to compare Stanford to SJSU.

[NOKiE]

heck...I wouldn't do that on Stanford. They're the best on virtually everything IMO! But their tuition...dang!!! Around 20-gran a year!!! Next goes to Berkeley in my opinion, then UCLA. Other than that, all UCs and CSUs are all similar to me. It all depends on what you major in. California State University Hayward are pretty well-rated in Nursing. Though it should be an impacted major, CSUH decided not to. San Francisco State University is known for Arts (or was it Filming/Theatrics or maybe Communications...I forgot).

[pale_pilsen]

"Of course, given a choice, we'd all love to go to Ivy League schools or the so-called Big Five (Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Princeton, and Stanford)."

- Brown, UPenn, Darthmouth, and Columbia are also Ivy league schools, which in fact used to refer to the athletic division (Division IV or "I V")

"Be practical, as Americans are known to be. Unless you're a descendant of Carnegie, Ford, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, etc., choose the school which can offer you the most. Higher education here is rated/ranked annually according to some criteria. If you want to specialize in IT, for example, you don't want to go to Amherst College, Smith College, Brown University, Darmouth, etc. Unless, you just want to be associated with these elite schools and rub elbows with sons and daughters of US top politicians (president, senators, and congressmen). Remember JFK Jr? He went to a school only the rich and famous can remember."

- JFK Jr. went to Brown for his undergrad and NYU for law school. Im sure everyone "remembers" Brown, not just the rich and famous. Amherst, on the other hand, is THE no.1 liberal arts college in the country. Schools like these have strong alumni connections nationwide, so getting hooked up with a job should not be a big problem.

I admit, I do go to one of these "elite schools" but not to rub elbows. I actually prefer the closely knit community associated with a small liberal arts college rather than a big, sprawling university town. You build relationships with faculty and alumni quite well. Of course, grad school is another thing ...

punk_*** - if u do end up studying here dont worry if your school is "never heard" sa philippines. as long as it is in the top tier, it should be an excellent place to study in.