UST or USC?

[I Saw Perz GAnn]

juz a thought, bakit sinasabi ng ilang thomasino na UST is the oldest university (1611) while the University of San Carlos (USC) in Cebu City is the oldest in the Philippines. Founded by Spanish Jesuits in 1595. :confused:

[Juntrix]

Simple... UST was founded in 1611 but became a university in 1645. USC was founded in 1595 but only became a university in 1948.

Do you know that Colegio de Manila (eventually evolved into the Ateneo) was founded earlier than USC? 1590 to be exact... :)

[butch2koy]

Not sure about that Colegio de Manila story, but as far as USC vs UST is concern, USC is clearly the older school. Therefore USC deserves to carry the banner of being the oldest academic institution of the Philippines.

USC -- The oldest school in the Philippines.

[agat006]

^ ah ok.. so by existence mas matanda pa pala ang ateneo.. ngayon ko lang to nalaman ah.. thanks for the info..

[letsrockandroll]

Not sure about that Colegio de Manila story, but as far as USC vs UST is concern, USC is clearly the older school. Therefore USC deserves to carry the banner of being the oldest academic institution of the Philippines.

USC -- The oldest school in the Philippines.

:eek:

anyway, speaking of which,

UST is the Oldest University in the Philippines and to some extent, ASIA per se.

USC is the Oldest School in the Philippines

[deemax]

kaya nga "OLDEST UNIVERSITY" di naman sinabi OLDEST EDUC. INSTITUTION. very clear naman. peace

[silent yet...]

Not sure about that Colegio de Manila story, but as far as USC vs UST is concern, USC is clearly the older school. Therefore USC deserves to carry the banner of being the oldest academic institution of the Philippines.

USC -- The oldest school in the Philippines.

He was asking about the oldest university, not the oldest academic institution. and if you insist on the oldest academic institution, it's ADMU. as for the oldest university (in Asia), it's UST!

[zacharaiolsen]

ilang years bago naging university ang ateneo? ang UST? e ang USC?

[KuyaDanny]

If you read (and believe) the Wikipedia entry about USC, there is some dispute on the historical link between the modern day USC and the institution founded by the Spanish Jesuits in 1595.

[testosterone]

Simple... UST was founded in 1611 but became a university in 1645. USC was founded in 1595 but only became a university in 1948.

Do you know that Colegio de Manila (eventually evolved into the Ateneo) was founded earlier than USC? 1590 to be exact... :)
Correction lang: the Jesuits' first school in the Philippines in 1590 (opened in 1595) was Colegio de San Ignacio. It was actually the first royal and pontifical university in the country; the title was accorded in 1732.

However, the Jesuits were banished in Spanish soils by Clement XIV in 1773, and so they had to give up the school. They were later reinstated and were able to return to the Philippines and establish Ateneo Municipal de Manila in 1859.

Here's a link to a very interesting read:
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20080718-149107/What-if

[sanch22screw]

The logic is *** naman talagang dapat pagtalunan...

Because

UST is the oldest university in the philippines and in ASIA (which was founded as Colegio Nuestra Senora del Santisimo Rosario in 1611 and became a university in 1645)

USC was historically founded in 1783 by the Dominican Fathers, then replaced by the Venetian Fathers(1867), and now the SVD(1935).

The institution that was founded in 1595( which was the Colegio del San Idelfonso) by the Jesuits was closed in 1769. And that instituion was different from the one founded in 1783 by the Dominican Fathers ( which was the Colegio- Seminario De san Carlos). Different Name, different administration and different institution but at the same site.

Thus the oldest is UST( which is still existing since 1611) not USC. Peace!

[sanch22screw]

UST, the oldest university in the Philippines
Ateneo de Manila( by existence) would be the oldest higher learning institution in the Philippines..
USC, oldest school??? Sa ano?

[Matand Rivera]

ilang years bago naging university ang ateneo? ang UST? e ang USC?


ateneo:

1859- founded
1959- university

[Warwick Leyte]

Let's remove Ateneo from the given because it has no traces of continuity. Besides, even on its website it says -- it was founded in 1859. I guess that should put an end to its quest for gunning to be the oldest school in the country right there and then. Now, that would leave us with the University of San Carlos (USC) and UST competing for being the oldest institution of higher learning in the Philippines. Notice my carefulness of using the title. Again, the oldest institution of higher learning in the Philippines. In such case, my vote goes to USC. Here’s why.

The thing about academic institutions is that, its length is measured from its birth date (the date when it was originally established), NOT the date when it was awarded as a university status (UST’s argument). Let’s take Harvard (the oldest school in the US) and the College of William & Mary (2nd oldest school in the US) as examples because the two American schools do have a pretty similar case with USC vs UST .

They said that in the US, Harvard is the oldest institution of higher learning. Harvard was founded in 1636. But it wasn’t until 1850 when it became a genuine university.

In 1693, the College of William & Mary was established, making it the 2nd oldest academic institution in the US. But the school became a university way ahead than Harvard has. It became a university in 1779 or eighty six years ahead of Harvard, but the W&M never made a claim that it’s the oldest university in the US.

Applying that same principle to the Philippines, the USC deserves the use the label as: the oldest academic institution in the Philippines. UST must be demoted to 2nd place, if this is a contest.

[neni0hk]

We are claiming to be the OLDEST UNIVERSITY IN ASIA. Tama naman di ba?

[la_flash]

I remember that this is as one of the [trick] questions in our History before. :D

[sanch22screw]

Warwick leyte,
As history timetable is concern and continuity of existence and propriety would be the basis, USC was not really established in the 16th century but rather on the 19th century, because the institution that was founded in the 16th century which was the colegio del san idelfonso was closed( and take note this is not the grassroots of USC- not related to colegio/seminaryo de san carlos which is now USC), and take not Colegio de san carlos was founded 10 to 20 years with different administrators(owner) and different line of education.

Thus you are just fooling around if you believe that USC is older than UST and other pioneering schools in the philippines.

Please conduct a research and don't overestimate your campus-pride. Don't try to level your school with the old and reputable schools here in the philippines, especially with those arguments that contain unrealiable claims and hoax basis.

Peace dude! I just want you to enlighten your mind and accept the truth and set aside your personal views and pride.

Cause the truth will set you freeee!

[Pound4Pound]

Sus! :lol:

Akala ko una ang tanong eh kung sinong Univ ang may superior medical program

UST

or

University of Southern California

*peace*

[beaux23]

He was asking about the oldest university, not the oldest academic institution. and if you insist on the oldest academic institution, it's ADMU. as for the oldest university (in Asia), it's UST!

Taken from the Ateneo de Manila University website:
T
he Ateneo de Manila University began in 1859 when Spanish Jesuits established the Escuela Municipal de Manila, a public primary school established in Intramuros for the city of Manila. However, the educational tradition of the Ateneo embraces the much older history of the Jesuits as a teaching order in the Philippines.

The first Spanish Jesuits arrived in the country in 1581. While primarily missionaries, they were also custodians of the ratio studiorum, the system of Jesuit education formulated about 1559. In 1590, they founded one of the first colleges in the Philippines, the Colegio de Manila (also known as the Colegio Seminario de San Ignacio) under the leadership of Antonio Sedeño, S.J. The school formally opened in 1595.

FYI: Colegio de Manila is NOT Ateneo.. Colegio de Manila was foudned before UST, however, it closed when the Jesuits were asked to leave at some point in history.