going abroad

[lhab]

now a days kasi, many of us Filipinos are going abroad. If I'am going to ask you gusto mo bang mag-abroad for seaching job, o dito na lang kasi iba na ang namumuno sa atin na nangakong pauunlarin ang ating mahal na bansa?

[witty_gal]

I still want to pursue my plan in going abroad...kahit sino pang ilagay mong presidente...wala ng pagbabago, kung meron man, it'll be not enough. Masyado ng naiiwan bansa natin eh, wala ng inatupag ang mga nasa pwesto kundi mga sariling interes nila.

Eh dito, kahit trabahong kalabaw ka na...wala pa rin. eh sa ibang bansa, atleast may pagbabago...wag ka nga lang mamalasin.

[stnickmt]

I have to agree with you and since I'm in the states already, I can just imagine what most of my fellow Pinoys are going through right now. When I call my relatives back in the Phils. all they can say is, ang hirap-hirap ng buhay dito sa atin. Even my uncle who's making pretty good money in the PI is complaining and wanting to live here permanently.

There would always be ups and downs about living abroad, I've gotten used to it dahil most of the time, nasusunod ko ang aking mga gusto. And then sometimes how I wish na nasa 'Pinas ako kasama ang mga barkada ko....

[archicual2pards]

for us OFW's it is really hard to find work here especially if u consider the amount of it.
Our economy is not yet bouncing up until 5 more years to see the results of this new government.
Besides i hate the traffic. :crazy:

[Expat-n-Amerika]

:) Well I'm here in Chicago where its very cooolllddd, today is 21F in temperature and snow is the forecast, But the pay is high and easy to save and also borrow money to buy a place to live... Cars are not that expensive food is relatively cheaper than Europe, But I have a brother who lives in the philippines in our family house in Valle Verde and He does not work as he is the only one benefiting from the sale of the rice, copra and mangoes harvested from the lands that we own that our parents willed to us... Since my other bros and sis are abroad and earning a lot we let our brother in the phil, keep the profits until we decide to go back home....Like when I retire when I'm 40 yrs old, hopefully..

[Ellheym]

actually.. i hve plan to work abroad.. dahil na rin siguro sa hirap ng buhay natin dito sa pinas...

actually..i have plan to work at US, pwede niyo ba akong matulungan kung saang agency mag apply na pwedeng fly now... pay later... iyon kasi ang gusto ko eh.. can u help me... about my skills and knowledge... i have that stuff.. titingnan ko kung saan ako fit... ang gusto ko lang kasi.. kung aling agency ang safe.. i mean.. legal... pls help me...

[witty_gal]

Hey! I can help you with that, try to call Rose Worldwide Agency. 4310850.

[ChiQui]

I'd like to go abroad for the experience and of course, they do pay better abroad. But as for settling and raising my family, I'd still want to do that here in the Philippines.

[Turko Torero]

i'd like to go abroad to find opportunities. Mahirap na dito eh. Majority of us looks for a job to survive, not to live. Syempre gusto kong guminhawa buhay ko...and here sa RP mukhang malabo yun!

[lief_meisje83]

Originally posted by ChiQui
I'd like to go abroad for the experience and of course, they do pay better abroad. But as for settling and raising my family, I'd still want to do that here in the Philippines.


i agree for the reason that our Values are intact and preserved by (quite a few i should say) the youth.

[f0r5aK3n]

I don't think you need to be in the Philippines to be able to raise your kids in the values you so desire. It's up to you as a parent to do this. Actually, there are a lot of values that being raised in the Philippines that pose as a negative and there are negative values that being in the US entail as well. Environment is only 1 factor that determines values and parental influence is a MAJOR factor.

Personally, I would raise my kids here in the US based on what I've experienced both partly growing up in the Phils and living here in the US for half of my life now.

[virgo14]

i agree with f0r5aK3n. the environment is only one factor in child rearing. one's parental skills are more important, and it's not geographically determined.

having said that, i would rather raise my kids in the philippines. the familial ties are way too important for me and i think it's critical for kids to grow up surrounded by loving grandparents, aunts and uncles plus have cousins to play with. a sense of belongingness in a supportive and caring family unit goes a long way towards a happy, healthy childhood.

but to answer the question, i think living in another place is fun and exciting but i wouldn't make it permanent.

[witty_gal]

Originally posted by f0r5aK3n
I don't think you need to be in the Philippines to be able to raise your kids in the values you so desire. It's up to you as a parent to do this. Actually, there are a lot of values that being raised in the Philippines that pose as a negative and there are negative values that being in the US entail as well. Environment is only 1 factor that determines values and parental influence is a MAJOR factor.

Personally, I would raise my kids here in the US based on what I've experienced both partly growing up in the Phils and living here in the US for half of my life now.


Very Well Said! You're right! :)

[lhab]

Originally posted by Ellheym
actually.. i hve plan to work abroad.. dahil na rin siguro sa hirap ng buhay natin dito sa pinas...

actually..i have plan to work at US, pwede niyo ba akong matulungan kung saang agency mag apply na pwedeng fly now... pay later... iyon kasi ang gusto ko eh.. can u help me... about my skills and knowledge... i have that stuff.. titingnan ko kung saan ako fit... ang gusto ko lang kasi.. kung aling agency ang safe.. i mean.. legal... pls help me...

to ellheym, why don't you try to locate in your place the Public Employment Service Office or PESO, dito and auntie ko nakakuha ng trabaho abroad. saka sigurado ka sa government agency na ito dahil and PESO ay under ng Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE)at ang lahat ng agencies dito ay legal na rehistrado sa DOLE,
so why dont you go there and seek a job abroad!

[accord57]

Hi everyone, I'm from Toronto Canada, just a little advice to those people who wants to go out of Phil. Make sure that you think it over and when you finish thinking, think it over again. I'm saying this because there is an adjustment period which is really hard, mapapaiyak ka talaga. Sigaraduhin mo na 120% sure ka sa sarili mo. Hindi ganoon kadali ang mabuhay dito sa ibang bansa. Marami kang sacrifice na gagawin, you are not just leaving Phil. but your families that you love, your friends that will give their life just to protect you and the happines that you cherish and shared. I'm telling you now kase matagal mo ulit mararamdam iyon, dahil medyo mahal ang pamasahe at kung papayagan ka ng employer mo, hindi ganoon kadali ang umuwi ka agad. TIYAGA at GAWA ang kailiangan mo dito so again THINK it over. I'm not trying to discourage anyone who wants to go out of the Phil. I know how hard it is to be there, I myself don't want to go back there because I already have a career here but sometimes I still think happiness or career.

If you could do all the things that I just said then you already began your 1st step. Remember the saying "a journey to a thousand miles begins in one step"

[f0r5aK3n]

virgo14: you know what sucks about having all those CLAN around you though.. YOU can't help it when they try to butt in your life and set their ideals on you. I grant that they are family and they don't know any better, but what is ALWAYS gonna be important is what your IMMEDIATE family members instill in your kids. That is what I totally don't like about that whole extended family situation. I'd much rather solve our own **** as an immediate family rather than having them try to help us and then start that "utang na loob" crap.

Must be the American culture in me...

accord57: you make valid points regarding really THINKING it over, but I must question the decision you made regarding happiness over career. What I mean to say is this: why can't you be happy and have your career at the same time? As I've said in another thread, Happiness is a state of mind and it's relative. You have to totally adjust and look forward and not dwell on what might have been, but instead, look forward to what will be.

[fashionzealot]

In my opinion, only a miracle can actually rehabilitate the situation of the Philippinies! Ihab, go abroad if you can because the opportunities are better!

It's actually very sad....the priority is to make money because that is our bread and butter. A lot of things are being sacrificed just to be able to have a life that's "humanely acceptable". But no pain no gain......Hirap muna bago ginhawa. Pangungunahan na kita, it's very lonely to be away from home. Nothing beats the life in the Philippines. Foreign countries take for example the states is not what it was portrayed to be. Filipinos have the notion that money just flows in the US, that it is a land of milk and honey. People go here even as illegal aliens just to achieve the american dream. But most of them are in for a big dissapointment. Most of the time, you work thrice as hard as you would there in the Philippines to achieve success, which is not at all far if you're industrious and know how to be humble. America could be everything that it is portrayed to be if you work hard and if you get in legally.

TNT's have the hardest time in the world. Work is never stable, unless you get really lucky or have businessmen as relatives. That means your future is in jeopardy.

So good luck to you ihab! :)

[tr|n|ty]

well yes, there are a lot more oppurtunities abroad. you can see that your hard work is going somewhere. Philippine society is unfair, you have to admit. Once your family has established a niche, your life is mapped out unless you do want to go to the upper-upper echelons of society. BUT here, it is hard work and you should be ready for rejection. It takes a lot of strength and courage to go to a place where you're not the majority.

as for child rearing, i actually want to bring up my kids here in the States(particulary New York City). In Manila, there's so much more distractions and sense of complacency. And i have to agree with the other people here that it's not the geography but the parents' way of bringing up the kids that's the key. I want to personally take care of my kids, bring them to museums and be immersed in so much culture just outside our doorstep. And i'm afraid that in Manila, you only have so much to choose from when it comes to cultural and intellectual sites.

[accord57]

I agree when you said that happiness is in the state of mind and you have to adjust...... Happy naman ako sa career ko dahil masaya naman ako sa trabaho ko dito but sometime I just think of my old life in the Phil. Alam naman natin lahat na mas masaya sa atin kahit nag hihirap. Some people I know back home are already happy the way they are even though they don't have the luxary we have here. Pasinin mo rin yung mga ibang Filipino dito, bakit pa rin sila umuuwi sa atin for good? Even they know na mas madali at mas maganda ang buhay dito di ba? Na papaisip lang nila ako.... I also like what you said about looking forward, why do you think I choose to stay here..... Hindi pa naman ako ganoon ka deppresed para umuwi at ayoko pang mag pagutom... Thanks for the advice though.

Originally posted by f0r5aK3n
virgo14: you know what sucks about having all those CLAN around you though.. YOU can't help it when they try to butt in your life and set their ideals on you. I grant that they are family and they don't know any better, but what is ALWAYS gonna be important is what your IMMEDIATE family members instill in your kids. That is what I totally don't like about that whole extended family situation. I'd much rather solve our own **** as an immediate family rather than having them try to help us and then start that "utang na loob" crap.

Must be the American culture in me...

accord57: you make valid points regarding really THINKING it over, but I must question the decision you made regarding happiness over career. What I mean to say is this: why can't you be happy and have your career at the same time? As I've said in another thread, Happiness is a state of mind and it's relative. You have to totally adjust and look forward and not dwell on what might have been, but instead, look forward to what will be.

[virgo14]

maybe you just have a bad set of relatives...just kidding!:D

i think it depends on the kind of relationship set-ups you've got. i have my share of meddlesome relatives too and, yes, they can be a pain. but i don't let them get to me. i focus on the viable relationships instead, the irreplaceable ones i have with cousins who i know wouldn't, for instance, sell me out no matter what. while i agree that relationships with immediate family members take precedence over others, i don't underestimate the bonds formed with kins especially during childhood.:)

accord57: i understand what you are saying, especially the part about how others keep going back to visit manila. it's like they can't let go. i think that's what f0r5aK3n is saying...pag nakapag let go ka na, hindi ka na malulungkot.:) yeah, i know it's different, but then maybe you can find other things to do there to make you feel more at home. baka mas mabuti kung wag mo na hanap-hanapin ang pilipinas para mas masaya ka na diyan. yun lang.:)

[accord57]

virgo14>>> I undestand naman what you guys trying to say. I'm not that sad, actually I got I lot of things to do here.
I work with the bank and I already have a good position plus my team are mostly filipinos, I'm also a photographere at http://www.BADBANANAS.COM This is why I choose my career. I was just in the Phil. 2yrs ago and I told myself that, it's fun to be back home again but there is nothing for me there anymore (career wise).. Hindi ko pa kayang mag pagutom doon :)and sobrang gulo na. life is more easier here.
I got a question though, a friend of my mine just got back from his vacation(phil) and he received a bad news. His parents want him to go back there for good and he dosen't want to go back. The parents are really loaded I mean is. this guy can buy any ferrari anytime. Siguro interest lang ang pag babayad nila sa kotse. The parents are forcing him to go back or else hindi siya susustentohin dito. If you are in this situation what would you do?

[virgo14]

gee, that sounds sooooo familiar!...

[:Þ]

These are all MY PERSONAL OPINIONS.

• Whether raising your kids abroad or in Philippines doesn't make a difference. It all depends on how you raise them anyways. I'd prefer to have kids here in US anytime if you ask me. Why? When they are born, they are naturally born American Citizen, with cool *** Uncle Sam backing him up - imagine how cool that is!!!!! Who would you want to back you up, Mighty Uncle Sam or wimpy ERAP??? You decide :)

• I'd say GO FOR IT. If you don't want to stay here then fine, you can always go back. Remember - you only live ONCE and I suggest you make the MOST OUT OF IT. EXPLORE. TRAVEL. EXPERIENCE. Need I say more? You decide :)

• Benefits are WAAAY BETTER. Where else could you find a job where they'll pay you $100 a week for unemployment??
Insurance is great too (mandatory on all jobs), in addition, you'll get 401K's, profit sharing, and some companies even offer stock options! Sounds good?
You decide :)

• I can go on and on and on but the list will never end.
and my recommendations?? GO FOR IT. YOU GOT NOTHING TO LOSE. It is up to you to believe me. You decide :)

Good luck bro.

[:Þ]

It's been proven, and it always will be.

Need an H1-B working visa? Piece of cake. Been there, Done That. There are like GAZILLIONS of employers here looking for workers and are willing to sponsor them. AND I MEAN LOTS OF THEM. There's this local agency called JobLink that'll hook you up with employers willing to sponsor.. more on that later.

THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO GET AWAY FROM THOSE PEOPLE WITH ANNOYING RINGTONES.. SO GO FOR IT!!!

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[f0r5aK3n]

Originally posted by virgo14
maybe you just have a bad set of relatives...just kidding!:D

i think it depends on the kind of relationship set-ups you've got. i have my share of meddlesome relatives too and, yes, they can be a pain. but i don't let them get to me. i focus on the viable relationships instead, the irreplaceable ones i have with cousins who i know wouldn't, for instance, sell me out no matter what. while i agree that relationships with immediate family members take precedence over others, i don't underestimate the bonds formed with kins especially during childhood.:)

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i don't let them get to me.. but they really piss me off.. hehehehe...

all of belat's points are the exact things...

go for it.. you could always go back home..... and I'm sure you won't after you experience it over here! :)

[womanontop]

Originally posted by f0r5aK3n
I don't think you need to be in the Philippines to be able to raise your kids in the values you so desire. It's up to you as a parent to do this.

Yup, I agree with you Chicagobabe. I grew up here and I'm well adjusted---- I think.

Off topic.....

did you get my email?

[f0r5aK3n]

i wanna experience night life in the Phils though.. :)

[melrosegirl]

I have plans of working abroad. I was so close to doing that a few months ago...dun ko lang na-realize yung importance of really being "READY".

I hope my plans will push thru soon... Wish me luck!

[Expat-n-Amerika]

:) when I went home for a visit for a month, I found that going out was so cheap that I went out nearly everyday..:lol::lol: One thing though, everywhere I go people tend to stare....What gives?????

[kaila]

i really want to try it out abroad not because of economic reasons in our country but i guez ill get to have more experience with regards to IT when i work abroad. definitely, mas advance sila and their technology is more advanced... bec of this, i will get to learn a lot of things. and of course, i want to know how it feels to be independent Ü

;) :) :p :cool:

[_Mase_]

I definitely agree with tr|n|ty!

I wouldn't want my kids growing up without the benefit of public libraries and museums and pretty parks to walk in. I would want my kid to grow up in the US as well. The intellectual and social opportunities are too good to miss out on. I want my kids to have a good sense of culture and reality when they grow up.

Here in the Phils, that's a pretty tough act. The National Lib stinks, man!