DLSU's proposed College of Law

[MinsanLang]

"In line with this objective, therefore, the University intends to position the proposed College of Law in the country as a law school that actively engages in the promotion, protection and preservation of human rights and environmental laws. This, Br. Armin said, will make DLSU’s proposed College of Law different from any other law school in the Philippines today."

DLSU College of Law, ano sa palagay mo?

POV ko: Law School nanaman?

[KuyaDanny]

Agree with your POV. Did Br Armin say anything about the supply and demand for lawyers (in relation to other disciplines) in this country?

[Juntrix]

Ateneo medicine, YES. Why? Because there is a shortage of doctors in the Philippines. Our country needs more physicians so that healthcare in our country may be improved.

DLSU Law, NO. Why? We have enough lawyers at the moment. Besides, DLS-PS already offers an MBA-Law dual degree program and IMHO that would suffice at the moment.

:)

[kaningbrown]

When I was still in DLSU I've always thought social indifference is the chief negative attribute of a vast majority of Lasallians. Having law students carrying on that kind of attitude won't make good lawyers I think. La Salle should just focus on the technical fields where we're excelling.

[MinsanLang]

When I was still in DLSU I've always thought social indifference is the chief negative attribute of a vast majority of Lasallians.

Though I agree that we should focus on the courses/fields where we excel (or at least should be excelling at (our Finance boys and girls haven't won FINEX for the last couple of years... tsk tsk)), "social indifference" I think among Lasallians is not really true. Hindi tayo nag ra-rally (maliban kay Bro. Armin. LOL!) at wala tayo masyadong ma-dramang advocacies, pero I think the students are generally aware of the current issues our society is facing. And issues, as problems, require them to think of solutions. But what's unique with Lasallians is that we face our problems and provide solutions through our fields of expertise. Eng students, for example, dont clamor for a change in environmental laws. They come up with solar-paneled cars and robots. =p

Also, I dont think La Salle undergrads make bad lawyers. There are La Salle pips in Ateneo Law and UP Law. My best friend's Law school buddy is from La Salle and heard he's doing daamn good.

So... yon...

But still, yeah, DLSU College of Law? Weird...

[MinsanLang]

Wala. Wala siyang sinabi. Bibo lang daw siya kaya gusto niya ng Law School =p

[tigerman]

If this plan for a La Salle law school pushes through, where will the Supreme Court transfer the annual bar examinations? Because definitely DLSU-Main can no longer be the venue of said exams.



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[dagitab24]

Ateneo medicine, YES. Why? Because there is a shortage of doctors in the Philippines. Our country needs more physicians so that healthcare in our country may be improved.

DLSU Law, NO. Why? We have enough lawyers at the moment. Besides, DLS-PS already offers an MBA-Law dual degree program and IMHO that would suffice at the moment.

:)

The MBA-JD program is offered in cooperation with FEU. DLSU takes care of the MBA side of things, while FEU brings in the law component.

[MinsanLang]

If this plan for a La Salle law school pushes through, where will the Supreme Court transfer the annual bar examinations? Because definitely DLSU-Main can no longer be the venue of said exams.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!
ewan.

sa UA&P siguro. closed campus. no law school.

[handyong]

If this plan for a La Salle law school pushes through, where will the Supreme Court transfer the annual bar examinations? Because definitely DLSU-Main can no longer be the venue of said exams.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

Is there a requirement that the bar exams be held in a school which does not have a law program?

MLQU (with a law program as old as our grandfathers) was the venue of so many bar exams in the past. the venue was transferred to DLSU mainly because bar examinees were greatly inconvenienced by severe floodings (rainy Septembers) prevalent in that area of Quiapo where MLQU stands.

[iRebirth]

sana mas palakasin na lang ng DLSU ang business at engineering programs nila.
IMO, DLSU's business programs could use some streamlining and maybe some touches of social entrepreneurship?

Yung engineering naman, baka pwede silang mag-offer ng Energy Engineering and other engineering programs na makatutulong sa progress ng bansa.

I don't think making a law school would contribute much to the country or even to DLSU.

[Katchatore]

Yup. Kailangan neutral ground ang examination place ng Bar Exams. If that was not the case, they could have just set the exam place in UP or Ateneo.

Re alternative places, I think St. Benilde/St. Scholastica will be a good alternative. Walang pinagkaiba sa location, tatawid lang ng kaunti.

[dagitab24]

^ Kakasya ba ang mga barrister sa CSB o St Scho? Kung kakasya, why not?

Then again, we don't need another law school. We need more engineering programs, heck, we need more vocational programs, especially for provincial schools. Kailangan natin ang mga ganun if we are to be considered an industrialized country in twenty years' time.

[fence sitter]

tigerman,

i don't think the creation of a DLSU College of Law will have a bearing with the holding of the bar exams in the same campus...

years ago before the bar exams were held in the DLSU-Manila campus, the site is the MLQU in Quiapo, which is one of the pioneering and better law school in the early days...

juntrix,

i don't think that your observation that we have a surplus of lawyers is accurate. in fact, the supreme court had already made pronouncements regarding the acute shortage of lawyers.

the average number of examinees who hurdle the bar exams ranges from 1000-1500. and it is the only exam, if i'm not mistaken, to be conducted once a year.

in another vein, i think that it is high time for DLSU-Manila to have its own law school. i'm an alumnus and i took my law school in ateneo. in our batch, there were around 30 lasallians enrolled, not to mention those who made it to UP Law (quite a handful and lesser than the number in ateneo) and the vast majority in San Beda.

in fact, there are a number of lasallians who topped the bar in the previous years. sadly on the part of DLSU-manila, these topnotchers carried the banner of their law school.

putting up a law school (another one at that for some) isn't bad, as long as the school will not be another law school which barely produces lawyers in a decade. what is bad is putting up a school just for the heck of it...

[Juntrix]

juntrix,

i don't think that your observation that we have a surplus of lawyers is accurate. in fact, the supreme court had already made pronouncements regarding the acute shortage of lawyers.



I see.... Point taken. :)

I never thought that we have an attorney scarcity. Maybe because the shortage never really had a direct effect on myself nor my immediate family & community. On the other hand, everytime I walk past a depressed area and I see malnourished and sickly children, what flashes in my mind is that 'we need more doctors'. :)

Just my observation: I think we are having shortages in almost all professions (CPAs, Engineers, Pharmacists, Doctors, Teachers, etc.) except nursing. The reason perhaps is that, in the past few years, everyone is taking up nursing...? :D

[fence sitter]

the overage of lawyers is actually a misconception shared by a vast majority of individuals.

the layman-lawyer ratio is really low. we are not even discussing how many of our lawyers are in litigation or those who engage in the practice of trials in courts.

that is why, part of the solution to address the shortage of lawyers is to have more law schools that will cater to the possible influx of students. and i think, though i am biased, that with the resources of DLSU-Manila, it can be one of the premier law schools in metro manila. but not in the next 5 or 10 years.

[KuyaDanny]

Did they ever consider buying an existing law school (maybe an underperforming one) and turning it around? If they are able to improve that underperforming school's bar passing rate, then they would be helping to add to the supply of lawyers without necessarily adding to the supply of law students.

[Gospel of Judas]

No, coz I think they want the law school to be based in DLSU-M.

[Gospel of Judas]

From what I read in APP, the proposed College of Law will open with 2-3 blocks maximum.

[Viva La Tigresa]

i don't think that your observation that we have a surplus of lawyers is accurate. in fact, the supreme court had already made pronouncements regarding the acute shortage of lawyers.



Sorry, OT.

If I'm not mistaken, the Supreme Court is talking about the shortage of lawyers in government.

According to Justice undersecretary Ricardo Blancaflor, the Supreme Court should issue a directive requiring new lawyers to work for the government for a year so that case backlogs in dockets and prosecutors' offices can be reduced.

Sabi niya, this proposal would actually improve the country’s justice system and solve the lawyer shortage problem currently plaguing the government’s legal and prosecutorial agencies.

[joshua3]

DLSU-Law is a welcome news! *okay*

With a more focused mission -- human rights and environment -- I believe DLSU lawyers will make a big difference in the not so distant future!

[MinsanLang]

putting up a law school (another one at that for some) isn't bad, as long as the school will not be another law school which barely produces lawyers in a decade. what is bad is putting up a school just for the heck of it...

Yeah... This may be the point I'd most agree with.

As for the other courses, yes, La Salle should strengthen its other courses. I think the university has become too traditional in a sense of just offering the usual BMG, Econ, BSA, ECE, Mech Eng, Chem Eng (all the other Engs) and CCS courses and LIA courses and CED courses (ahaha, may nakalimutan ba akong college?). And oh! COS courses.

I really hope the proposed College of Law is just an aspect of the university's continuing innovation.

[masterjedi]

sana malaki discount pag dlsu alumnus hehehe :D di naman lahat afford magaral sa law skul kahit pa sabihing dlsu grad....

[iya89]

I'm currently enrolled in the Political science program of Dlsu-M and I will be graduating next year. We were asked to answer a survey regarding the proposed Dlsu College of Law earlier this term. I was actually shocked upon learning that my school is serious about putting up a law school. I'm actually considering of taking up law there by next year however my main choices are still UP, ADMU and SBC. I love my alam mater but considering the fact that we will be the guinea pigs of this college of law scares me.

[Aleancelo]

Putting up (and running) a law school is NOT as easy as putting up and maintaining another college (***, COE, CBE, etc.).

[BadGiRL]

I don't think DLSU will announce its intention to put up a College of Law if it's not prepared for the required work, right? And besides, nobody can claim monopoly of knowledge.

And it's high time they push through with it. When I was in La Salle 10 years ago (yeah, am old), there had been "talks" about it.

I just didn't expect them to push through with the plans so much later.

Its baby is the BSA program. And, so far, lawyers had been saying that Accountancy is the best pre-law out there. It practically gives you a one whole sem worth of law subjects with the law subjects required for the CPA boards. So anyway, I just think that it's wonderful that La Salle develops a law program. I have no doubt that, in time, it will give the law schools out there a run for their money.

Teka, kelan daw umpisa ito?

[migoyanimo]

And it would cost a lot to pirate excellent lawyers from Ateneo, UP, and San Beda and putting up a Library for law books etc.

[keener]

i'm disappointed. we should just concentrate on improving our centers of excellence.

dami nang mayabang na abogado sa pilipinas. dadagdagan pa.

[Aleancelo]

Its baby is the BSA program. And, so far, lawyers had been saying that Accountancy is the best pre-law out there. It practically gives you a one whole sem worth of law subjects with the law subjects required for the CPA boards.

If I remember my law school days, I had 3 CPA-classmates who immediately got the axe after a year. One even happened to be a board topnotcher. In short, there's no such thing as the "best pre-law" course. The fact that the Accountancy program offers several law subjects (Oblicon, Partnerships & Corporations, Taxation, etc.) does not make it the "best pre-law course." In the first semester of the freshman year alone, there is no law course that's related to Accounting (Criminal Law, Persons and Family Relations, etc.).

[BadGiRL]

If I remember my law school days, I had 3 CPA-classmates who immediately got the axe after a year. One even happened to be a board topnotcher. In short, there's no such thing as the "best pre-law" course. The fact that the Accountancy program offers several law subjects (Oblicon, Partnerships & Corporations, Taxation, etc.) does not make it the "best pre-law course." In the first semester of the freshman year alone, there is no law course that's related to Accounting (Criminal Law, Persons and Family Relations, etc.).

True. Then again, maybe your CPA classmates didn't exert the required effort. I never said you don't have to study. I just said that it's easier when you have to take those things. Oblicon, nego, and taxation are the most hellish subjects in Law School. It alleviates the "pain" when you have a working knowledge of these subjects. Right?

And, yeah. Although let me be clear that I HATED ACCOUNTANCY UNTIL THE LAST DAY, it's probably the best pre-law course nga. I have to agree with the lawyers who told me that. Afterall, they usually give those subjects to the terrors. And my teachers for those subjects flunk students. Oblicon's 5 units worth d ba? Nego's 3, and Taxation's 6 (1&2). Uhm.... Corporation's 4 units. Sales is assigned 2 units. And, Partnership & Agency's assigned 2 units. Medyo madami dami din. Lalo na kung may QPI na dapat i-meet.

[fence sitter]

Accountancy may not be the "best pre-law" course but definitely, one of the best pre-law courses.

i should know as i have accountancy as my pre-law.

having accountancy as your pre-law doesn't guarantee you of success in law school. it all depends on the person, or the student for that matter. if a law student was only forced to study law, then whatever pre-law course he had wouldn't contribute to his life in law school.

lately, the "trend" is to have pre-law subjects that would teach you to be analytical. thus, engineering, accountancy, economics, and math are, in my opinion, one of the better pre-law degrees to have. next would be literature or english as many law students, and lawyers for that matter, encounter difficulty in expressing themselves.

as a product of la salle's lia-com program, i would say that the best combination of a pre-law course would be literature-accounting as the AB will improve your reading comprehension and the BS to teach you the analytical skills, both needed to breeze through law school...and perhaps the bar.

if i'm not mistaken, the bartopnotchers for the past decade would have 3 CPAs, management graduates, engineers, and math-degree holders. it just shows that definitely, analysis as a tool in problem-solving is a must to hurdle the bar with flying colors.

[dagitab24]

^ Include in your list an English Literature degree-holder. Literary criticism has its merits too, especially when it comes to the close reading of texts, legal or non-legal.

[rekscreamo]

I'm currently enrolled in the Political science program of Dlsu-M and I will be graduating next year. We were asked to answer a survey regarding the proposed Dlsu College of Law earlier this term. I was actually shocked upon learning that my school is serious about putting up a law school. I'm actually considering of taking up law there by next year however my main choices are still UP, ADMU and SBC. I love my alam mater but considering the fact that we will be the guinea pigs of this college of law scares me.

Iya, sa DLSU na lang tayo mag Law!haha.. Pilot class?:)
Honestly, its good that DLSU will put up their own Law School..

Hopefully DLSU can make it a good law school even though the process of making it to respectability and prestige would take much time and resources

[melai123456789]

Needing a law school. Law school needs
by Zamanta Legados , Jolo Tamayo, and Carlito Reyes

The possibility of DLSU having its own Law School may become a reality sooner than expected. DLSU has been conducting a study if it can establish a competitive law school since January 2008. The proposed College of Law would be geared toward a research-oriented institution that will equip students with vast knowledge needed for Bar Examinations. But the establishment of a competitive law school should go beyond preparing its students for the Bar Examinations

The need for a Law School
According to DLSU President and Chancellor Br. Armin Luistro FSC, the major reasons why the Administration is pursuing a creation of a law school is because of different events and plausible beneficial consequences that might exist if there is a DLSU Law School. First is that there are pledges and other potential alumni donors, who will carry out such actions if DLSU will be establishing its own law school. There are also many alumni interested in pursuing law who write to the Administration about building a law school...

to read more... download the pdf file of July issue of The LaSallian :) it's in the 3rd page
http://thelasallian.deviantart.com/art/July-2008-Section-A-93628864

[aceylicious]

is dlsu-manila accepting applicants na for their college of law???...i heard na they will be opening their own college of law next year...any inputs regarding their admission process will be helpful...thanks po...:love: