Latest Statistics on the Performance of Schools in Various Licensure Exams [Archive]

hunter_alchemst

Jul 24, 2008, 10:30 AM

(These data are from the book, 2005 Compilation of Statistics on the Performance of Schools in Various Licensure Examinations)

Foreword:
This Compilation of statistics was prepared by the educational Statistics Force (ESTF) - a joint undertaking of the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) and the Commission on Higher Education (CHED).

Overview:
For the past eight years, the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) through its Educational Statistics Task Force (ESTF) had been monitoring the performance of all schools that participated in the various licensure examinations. This mandate of PRC is now playing a crucial role in the improvement and upgrading of the educational system in the country. The data generated by the ESTF of the PRC are being used by legislators in the formulation of educational reforms and budgetary stipulations, especially among the state universities and colleges. The higher eduication institutions use these data for curriculum review and upgrading, training of faculty in determining their standing in the every licensure examination they have participated. The data also play a pivotal function in the career choices and decisions of future professionals who go for quality education.
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ANALYSIS OF RESULTS
Approximately 1,254 CHED-recognized colleges and universities in the entire country participated in at least one of the licensure examinations in the year 2005. 360 or 29% are state colleges and universities, CHED-supervised institutions and local colleges; 894 or 71% are privately owned institutions.

Government versus private school performance. University of the Philippines-Diliman tops the list of High Performers from among all participating schools from all school types with 15 High Performances. University of Santo Tomas, a Private Sectarian school likewise remarkably performed with 14 High Performances from the 19 Licensure examinations the institution participated in.

Summary of school performance by profession. A total of 94, 830 out of 267, 731 examinees (35%) passed in 42 licensure examinations given over the period january to December 2005.

(I'll post the results per profession later...pagod na ako magtype eh, haha)

letsrockandroll

Jul 24, 2008, 10:57 AM

wow! good job UST. and of course UP!

congrats din

pag board exams usually, its either UP or UST only

hopefully, makapasok narin ang la salle :)

markfroilan

Jul 24, 2008, 06:49 PM

hunter you typed all of that?not copy paste?ok. thank you.
congrats UP and UST only.

whateverville

Jul 24, 2008, 10:10 PM

wow! good job UST. and of course UP!

congrats din

pag board exams usually, its either UP or UST only

hopefully, makapasok narin ang la salle :)

You need not anticipate for it to happen to La Salle, 'cause that's already happening ever since, you just have to look neutrally at the boards. ;)

light-emitting

Jul 25, 2008, 01:58 AM

galileo_

Jul 25, 2008, 10:51 AM

I am a Thomasian. On my honor, I shall strive always to uphold truth and justice, to make conduct accord with the highest ideals of the University as a Catholic and Dominican institution.

I shall be true to the Thomasian values of competence, commitment and compassion. These I profess in faith, I hold firm in hope, I bear witness to in love, by God’s unending grace.

Ashlars

Jul 25, 2008, 01:32 PM

Ang totoong sukatan ng professional, nasa application ng nalalaman niya sa totoong buhay, at hindi sa taas ng naabot niya sa boards. Diyan ngayon dapat sukatin ng mga schools ang mga estudyante nila -- kung kaya nilang magaling na professionals in the real world.

Well, UP and UST alums have long proven that they can survive and excel as successful professionals in the real world.

fossilFuel

Jul 25, 2008, 01:34 PM

Well, the dumbest people in this forums would look at the results as is. Hindi LANG naman yan paramihan lang ng mga natotop na exams, or sa percentages ano.

And besides, who in his sanest state of mind would qualitatively gauge a school's performance based on boards ALONE? Eh may mga boards na mostly trivia questions eh.

Ang totoong sukatan ng professional, nasa application ng nalalaman niya sa totoong buhay, at hindi sa taas ng naabot niya sa boards. Diyan ngayon dapat sukatin ng mga schools ang mga estudyante nila -- kung kaya nilang magaling na professionals in the real world.

IMO, the dumbest people are those who cant use simple logic to gauge at least the most superficial and tangible metric of quantifying a school performance.

If some cannot even hurdle a board examination, how could one move on to the next phase which is real life? Anyway, this may be too deep a reason to be uncovered by those bookish, know-it-all from you know which school.:lol:

congrats sa mga board passer may unang hakbang na kayo kesa duon sa mga hangan PEx nalang:)

thebigQ

Jul 25, 2008, 02:49 PM

The Real TOP 3! (http://www.upd.edu.ph/%7Eupdinfo/whatsup/hosts.html)

Viva La Tigresa

Jul 25, 2008, 02:57 PM

gioboy

Jul 25, 2008, 11:00 PM

The Real TOP 3! (http://www.upd.edu.ph/%7Eupdinfo/whatsup/hosts.html)

:rotflmao: natawa naman ko sa "BIG 3" ng article kala ko kung ano. :rotflmao:

may mga taong makitid talaga mag-isip hayaan nyo sila kung ano gusto nila paniwalaan. :)

wag na natin palakihin ang away ng mga UST and UP pexers, kakaumay na. :(

anderson21

Jul 26, 2008, 04:55 AM

Congratulations UP and UST! *okay* Job well done :)

galileo_

Jul 26, 2008, 10:09 AM

So are you saying that board exams are crap?

Meron bang paraan para malaman mo kung ano ang performance ng iyong alumni sa sinasabi mong "professionals in the real world"? Ano ang gagamitin mong sukatan?

Pero ang pinag-uusapan sa thread na ito ay: Latest Statistics on the Performance of Schools in Various Licensure Exams kaya mag-pokus na muna tayo dito.

;)

meron kasing ilan dito sa pex na di yata matanggap ang katotohanan na outside of their so-called "big three" eh meron isang unibersidad na namamayagpag sa mga government licensure exams. hindi ba nakakamangha na kahit inaaakusa na madali ang entrance exam sa UST at mura ang tuition nito kumpara sa ateneo at la salle at sa ibang unibersidad eh nagagawa pa nito na makapag produce ng mga board topnotchers?

paano pa kaya kung hinirapan ang USTET tulad ng ginagawa ng Ateneo at UP sa pagsala ng mga aplikante sa kolehiyo nila?

light-emitting

Jul 26, 2008, 10:32 AM

IMO, the dumbest people are those who cant use simple logic to gauge at least the most superficial and tangible metric of quantifying a school performance.

If some cannot even hurdle a board examination, how could one move on to the next phase which is real life? Anyway, this may be too deep a reason to be uncovered by those bookish, know-it-all from you know which school.:lol:

congrats sa mga board passer may unang hakbang na kayo kesa duon sa mga hangan PEx nalang:)

Sabi ko po, the dumbest people are those who'll look at the results as is. Ito nga ang quantitative at tangible assessment sa mga uni, pero hindi LANG ito. HINDI LANG ITO. Isa pa, HINDI LANG ITO. :bashful:

Grabe naman. Di naman ako naghahanap ng away dito. Ako pa ang inaway. :eek:

letsrockandroll

Jul 26, 2008, 03:01 PM

yeah i agree, wala naman kasing mangyayare kung may gulo pa.

congrats UP and UST again.

speaking of UST again: "it may be easy for you to get into UST, but staying otherwise in UST is an entirely different matter"

pero wish ko lang, hirapan na nila ang USTET, AFAIK, dapat sa umpisa, mahirap na ang student selectivity nila..parang marketing strategy kasi ng UST yun, tatanggap sila ng marami, then on the way, marami rin silang tatanggalin. lalo na yang debar rule na yan. sayang.

Just my two cents.

Proud to be Thomasians @ 400!!
An1mo!

butch2koy

Jul 26, 2008, 10:02 PM

paano pa kaya kung hinirapan ang USTET tulad ng ginagawa ng Ateneo at UP sa pagsala ng mga aplikante sa kolehiyo nila?

I wonder how would you recommend that to UST because as far as the elite students' preference is concern, it doesn't matter if UST would become selective or not. The most talented students in the country would still prefer an UP/Ateneo/LaSalle education and college experience than a UST education and a UST college experience. We can see that UP/Ateneo/LaSalle always trounce UST in cross-admit battles. That has been the trend since time immemorial. I can’t see that changing anytime soon or in the long future.

rx_Tomasino

Jul 27, 2008, 01:28 AM

Pareng galileo_, with the way our Thomasian board takers perform in recent licensure exams, I don't think the problem lies with USTET's competency as to how to attract 'talented' and 'best' high school graduates. It will all boil down as to how UST will manage to mold its gargantuan number of students to become competent professionals after four to ten years. It does not matter if you have the most number of honor rolls in your class, besides, everything starts with zero once you step in college. You may not shine during your secondary years, but with patience and hard work, you can and you will be able to outshine the others. ;)

letsrockandroll

Jul 27, 2008, 09:21 AM

I wonder how would you recommend that to UST because as far as the elite students' preference is concern, it doesn't matter if UST would become selective or not. The most talented students in the country would still prefer an UP/Ateneo/LaSalle education and college experience than a UST education and a UST college experience. We can see that UP/Ateneo/LaSalle always trounce UST in cross-admit battles. That has been the trend since time immemorial. I can’t see that changing anytime soon or in the long future.

you are definitely wrong.

In our college, (AB) they are a lot rich elite, students came from prestigious high school institutions such as De La Salle and Ateneo HS. In fact, majority of them owns a car and some of them (emphasis on the some) passed the DLSUCET and ACET. In fact, the reason behind this was due to the fact that their parents are considered to be UST alumni/alumnus who happens to be proud thomasians in the first place. although, we cannot neglect the fact that some people tends to either see or overview: UP Ateneo and La Salle as the so called “big three” because they have the tendency to attract elite people.

Just my two cents.:)

human becoming

Jul 27, 2008, 11:34 AM

If I were to study in the Philippines coming from abroad, I will not base my choice on Filinphil's (Filipinos living in the Philippines) academic perception. (subculture such as ateneo vs la salle, up vs ust). i will base it on the schools consistent performance on government's various licensure examinations.

an excellent university transforms a mediocre student to a topnotch professional after they leave the portals of their alma mater.

light-emitting

Jul 27, 2008, 03:16 PM

ciprofloxacin

Jul 28, 2008, 11:06 AM

Light-emitting, ilang board exam na ba ang natake mo para masabing puro trivia questions ang board exams dito sa Pilipinas?

galileo_

Jul 28, 2008, 11:19 AM

galileo_

Jul 28, 2008, 11:26 AM

MinsanLang

Jul 28, 2008, 07:17 PM

funny. =)

butch2koy

Jul 28, 2008, 11:14 PM

you are definitely wrong.

In our college, (AB) they are a lot rich elite, students came from prestigious high school institutions such as De La Salle and Ateneo HS. In fact, majority of them owns a car and some of them (emphasis on the some) passed the DLSUCET and ACET. In fact, the reason behind this was due to the fact that their parents are considered to be UST alumni/alumnus who happens to be proud thomasians in the first place. although, we cannot neglect the fact that some people tends to either see or overview: UP Ateneo and La Salle as the so called “big three” because they have the tendency to attract elite people.

Just my two cents.:)

LoL . . . :lol:

The term: "elite student" does not always refer to students with rich or affluent parents. Elite students are high achiever students. They are the top of the top in your high school class regardless of their socio-economic brackground.

joshua3

Jul 29, 2008, 12:42 AM

UST is undoubtedly an outstanding institution. Whether historical or present-time facts like this one, UST delivers! Facts don't lie; opinions sometimes are.

Why are you people so bias against UST? The licensure exams are one objective way of gauging performance. Pag UP, convinced kayo na sila talaga pinakamagaling sa board exams overall (totoo naman). Pero pag sinabing UST ang sumusunod, nagrereact kayo, parang ayaw nyo eh FACT na nga yun eh. Kahit DLSU di makakadikit sa UST sa licensure performance [well they're ahead sa accountancy and at par sa engineering], what more ADMU? Chemistry at ECE lang yata ang nagboboard sa ADMU [correct me guys if I'm wrong] di pa sila nag-eexcel.

cretinous00

Jul 29, 2008, 07:00 AM

Juntrix

Jul 29, 2008, 09:36 AM

Sana hindi na lang trivia questions ang board exams, para mas wow-factor sa mga schools na nagtatop. Ganyan kasi sa karamihang board exams eh, like sa Engineering. Ang laki ng part na trivia, what is ganyan, what is ganoon. Whether it's UP or UST or both or someone else who top the exams, lalabas na nagtop sila kasi magaling sila sa trivia stuff, at hindi sa real-life crunch-time problem solving. :)

"Trivia questions ang board exams" - excuse ng mga board flunkers; Kaya naging trivia kasi hindi naaral.

Kung trivia ang laman ng board exams, eh di ibig sabihin bogus ang mga "passers"? Come on...

The board exam is one of the most objective means of measuring an individual's knowledge in his chosen field. Because of this, the examiners cannot afford to include questions and problems that are beyond an examinee's comprehension and/or questions that are trivial. In the CPA board exams, if a question can be viewed at differently and/or there are more than 1 possible answer, that question is automatically waived.

Besides, kung puro trivia rin lang din ang tinatanong sa board exams, eh di sana marami nagrereklamo na hindi siya kasama sa examination syllabus?

fossilFuel

Jul 29, 2008, 09:58 AM

Sana hindi na lang trivia questions ang board exams, para mas wow-factor sa mga schools na nagtatop. Ganyan kasi sa karamihang board exams eh, like sa Engineering. Ang laki ng part na trivia, what is ganyan, what is ganoon. Whether it's UP or UST or both or someone else who top the exams, lalabas na nagtop sila kasi magaling sila sa trivia stuff, at hindi sa real-life crunch-time problem solving. :)

I will give you half of my monthly salary, if you could come-up with a copy of any goverment licensure examination wherein the content is composed of atleast 25% trivia questions.

It is not easy having to go through any licensure examination, one would have to review, endure sleepless nights and keep ones cool amidst all the stress. It may be easy for those who have not been there but it is not a walk in the park. Even those summa graduates from UST or UP may not top these exams at all.

Going back to school performance, what is good about ust is the fact that they not only manage to put a few names on the top10 but the school's passing percentage is also commendable. For a school like ust known for sending legions of examinees in whatever exams to continuously perform the way they did year-in, year-out is something I think thomasian can all be proud of. Despite all the burhaha about USTET and still this school consistenly produces students who can go head-to-head with any students from other top schools and even surpass them is proof that filtering the student population into pea size may not be the answer to achieving good and quality education.

physicist

Jul 29, 2008, 12:02 PM

what more ADMU? Chemistry at ECE lang yata ang nagboboard sa ADMU [correct me guys if I'm wrong] di pa sila nag-eexcel.

Ayoko na sanang umeksena, but you asked for it.

It's true that Ateneo students take boards in Chem and ECE only (not counting Law), but that's not something to be ashamed about. Ateneo, since the beginning, has always patterned itself after the great liberal arts schools like Harvard, Yale, Amherst, Swarthmore, etc. Just like in these institutions there used to be (or perhaps continues to be) an elitist aversion towards more technical education like nursing, engineering, accountancy, etc. In schools like these the focus is more on the humanities, the classical hard sciences (physics, chemistry, biology, math), and lately the social sciences and management. The current ECCE department is really an off-shoot of the once very popular Physics-CE and Chem-CE programs. It didn't come into existence because Ateneo explicitly wanted an engineering department. Through the years, the Ateneo physics department just began filling up with a lot of top-notch electrical and computer engineers who eventually decided to form a department themselves.

So, Ateneo's lack of some "board exam"/technical courses is really a matter of choice.

Now on the matter of performance. You may be right about Ateneo's current subpar showing on the ECE boards. But people may have different definitions of excellence. Ateneo's ECCE department is very young. Meantime, a significant fraction of its faculty got their PhDs from the US without taking ECE boards! So it may be either that they're still getting used to this culture of board-exam-worship, or it just isn't their emphasis.

Dito sa US, walang notion ng "board topnotcher" or top-performing school. As in WALA. They have boards, but no one cares about them. Everyone here knows that a single exam does not distinguish a good engineer from a bad one. Ika nga, "Doing well in exams proves that you can do well in exams". That's really all. Of course, one still deserves a pat in the back after doing well in exams, but people should really not go overboard. Granted, UST's excellent performance in these exams means that it's still one of the best (if not the best) in producing board passers. Take from that what you want.

One of my former students took the ECE board two or three years ago. I taught him physics, and he was easily one the brightest students I've ever had. He said he devoted a full week to the boards. He passed, but didn't top it. A few weeks ago, he sent me an email saying that he had just arrived at the University of Chicago to begin his PhD (again with a scholarship). Go figure!

Now for Chemistry, relative to its size, Ateneo has produced a good number of board topnotchers. (An Atenean topped the chem boards last year). And it is consistently one of the best performing schools. Now again, this is a rather recent development.

Ateneo Chemistry has perhaps the strongest faculty line-up among the sciences (Two of their faculty are from Princeton, among others). They have an excellent program! However, until recently, taking the board exams after graduation was not really an option for Ateneo chem grads. The most popular option was to go for graduate school! So after graduating, most tend to be busy preparing for GREs in chemistry rather than the boards.

In my year for instance, their two best students went to graduate school at Princeton and the University of Illinois (on full assistantships!), among many others. This happens year after year.
And here's one other thing I know, my current roommate placed 7th in the boards -- he was one of the few who took it -- and he says he was just average in his graduating year.

So the point again is that there are different measures of excellence. And I think Ateneo is fine exactly where it is.

The fact is, many students of Ateneo (and UP actually) enjoy their studies so much that many go for PhDs abroad instead. (You may count me as one of them). I know first-hand that many just find the boards a nuisance.

Juntrix

Jul 29, 2008, 01:59 PM

^

...Fair enough. :)

zacharaiolsen

Jul 29, 2008, 02:35 PM

Sana hindi na lang trivia questions ang board exams, para mas wow-factor sa mga schools na nagtatop. Ganyan kasi sa karamihang board exams eh, like sa Engineering. Ang laki ng part na trivia, what is ganyan, what is ganoon. Whether it's UP or UST or both or someone else who top the exams, lalabas na nagtop sila kasi magaling sila sa trivia stuff, at hindi sa real-life crunch-time problem solving. :)

the way youre thinking, either freshman ka o bagsak ka sa isang board exam. natatawa talaga ako pag ikaw nagpopost kahit sa ibang forums, board exam magiging trivial ampf! haha! objective ang boards, pinag aralan yan ng mga propesyonal. wala ring essay na pwede mong bolahin. may pa "real-life crunch-time" ka pang nalalaman, anong gusto mong gauge para dun? na ireport ng mga companies ang performances ng bawat empleyado sa CHED at kung sang school sila galing?

Fossil: "Despite all the burhaha about USTET, this school consistenly produces students who can go head-to-head with any students from other top schools and even surpass them is proof that filtering the student population into pea size may not be the answer to achieving good and quality education."

--> ano po yung burhaha? hehehe

KuyaDanny

Jul 29, 2008, 04:33 PM

Burhaha = humahalakhak habang nagbubura ng blackboard.

Ashlars

Jul 29, 2008, 06:34 PM

^^ :lol: @ KuyaDanny.

I think fossilFuel meant to say "brouhaha."

Brouhaha (noun) - public criticism or protest.

Hisbenz

Jul 29, 2008, 07:45 PM

KD, maybe he meant brouhaha :lol:

KuyaDanny

Jul 29, 2008, 08:11 PM

Kayo talaga, masyadong seryoso. Wala na nga akong pagkakataong humirit dito eh. :(

philippines123

Jul 29, 2008, 09:24 PM

board exam is a measure of how good a review center is.

Being a top notcher has nothing to do 100% with the school ---> its 40% personal hardwork, 25% swerte, 25% review center, 10% school. kapag hindi ka nagreview center, -25% ka, pasado pa rin. hahaha.

Passing rate of school---> has something to do with the closure of schools who can not make board passers. Benchmarking ata ng CHED. 100% passing rate ---> wala lang, pang-attract ng students especially sa nursing na mag-a-abroad.

joshua3

Jul 29, 2008, 10:41 PM

Ayoko na sanang umeksena, but you asked for it.

It's true that Ateneo students take boards in Chem and ECE only (not counting Law), but that's not something to be ashamed about. Ateneo, since the beginning, has always patterned itself after the great liberal arts schools like Harvard, Yale, Amherst, Swarthmore, etc. Just like in these institutions there used to be (or perhaps continues to be) an elitist aversion towards more technical education like nursing, engineering, accountancy, etc. In schools like these the focus is more on the humanities, the classical hard sciences (physics, chemistry, biology, math), and lately the social sciences and management. The current ECCE department is really an off-shoot of the once very popular Physics-CE and Chem-CE programs. It didn't come into existence because Ateneo explicitly wanted an engineering department. Through the years, the Ateneo physics department just began filling up with a lot of top-notch electrical and computer engineers who eventually decided to form a department themselves.

Thanks. I have nothing else to say, I agree. :)

enteng.00

Jul 29, 2008, 11:39 PM

^ kuya danny! aymishu!

sige na guys, pagbigyan na natin si kuya danny, paminsan-minsan nalang natin maririnig mga jokes nya...hahahaha

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here in the US, board exams don't matter at all because all schools are expected to produce good students, regardless of the name of the institution or wether you're school is part of the ivy league or not. this only shows that the quality of education here is almost consistent or at least there's not much variance in the approach of educating people.

in the philippines, board exams matter BIG TIME because there are only a handful of schools that produce good numbers of boards passers CONSISTENTLY. and one more thing, in reality - there are schools hardly produce a single passer at all.

so the discrepancy between the quality of education there in the philippines is HUGE, that there are only few good schools that can produce...in the case, UST and UP are the most consistent.

its kinda arrogant to say that board exams is a nuisance, well, as for me - i owe my professional license to UST, PRC and my parents.

fossilFuel

Jul 30, 2008, 07:25 AM

Andito pa pala si KD, salamat sa burhaha.

physicist

Jul 30, 2008, 12:14 PM

Sensya na, out of topic ulit.

here in the US, board exams don't matter at all because all schools are expected to produce good students, regardless of the name of the institution or wether you're school is part of the ivy league or not. this only shows that the quality of education here is almost consistent or at least there's not much variance in the approach of educating people.

You've got to be kidding, right? As a PhD student, I've been teaching at a top public university here in the US for over 5 years now. And before this, I also taught in Ateneo for almost 2 years.

The students here have nothing on the kids I taught in Ateneo. Seriously. And this is a sentiment shared by several of my other friends who also teach physics at the university level as PhD students all over the US. Only one of us doesn't complain about the quality of our students, but then again she goes to Princeton.

I don't think the reason why nobody pays attention to boards in the US is because all their schools produce good students. I suspect that anyone who says this either doesn't know the situation first-hand, or may just be in love with all-things-American. Both forgivable mistakes. No biggie, you can count me guilty of these too, in a past life.

I am not one to be brash enough to claim knowing the reason myself. But if I may offer an explanation it is that culturally Americans don't seem to have as much regard for book-smarts as Filipinos do. Here, exams (including boards) are thought of as mere prerequisites -- because that's all they really are. But nobody assumes for instance that if, say, you top an exam you're automatically good at something valuable. Passing an exam does not guarantee that you can cure cancer, fix the energy crisis, discover the correct theory of quantum gravity, or solve one of the million-dollar millennium problems. Doing something of value here -- being productive -- does not seem to include "merely" passing an exam. There are just simply more important (and concrete) things to focus on.

For this reason, you will never find, say, MIT making banners for its topnotchers. (I doubt if they're even ranked here). If it suddenly advertised itself as the school with the highest percentage of board passers in the US, it would immediately be the laughing stock of academia! And not because every other school will have the same passing percentage as they. (That's just a statistical impossibility). But rather because the rest of the academic world will look at that and, with full sarcasm, ask: "That's a real accomplishment?!". After all, how has passing an exam ever made life better? (Sa Pilipinas siguro -- because it certainly makes an impact on the board passer's life.)

I agree fully though with your main point, even if your premise is not quite something I could entirely accept. Boards do serve a greater purpose in the Philippines than in the US. There are just too many low-quality schools and not enough good schools. So it helps to have some kind of standard. Thus, boards aren't worthless (as some people here may want us to believe).

My intention though was not to discredit the boards nor the schools that do well in them. It was merely to point out that sometimes people give it too much credit.

There is no error in cheering when one does well in exams. I would even say that one has to cheer. Di naman tayo robot. I am rather disappointed to be reading posts here that characterize the boards as trivial. Personally, I find them disingenuous and extremely insensitive. All my siblings are board passers in their respective fields. They worked their @sses off to pass their exams. And so I cheered too, when I heard each one pass (thrice in all).

Lamentably though, sa Pilipinas, kapag nag-top ka ng boards ay para bang nanalo ka ng Nobel Prize. That seems ridiculous. Even the companies don't know any better, when they automatically hire topnotchers like they were gods from the sky.

The worst part is that people often use passing percentages as fodder for this ever-boring "My school is better than yours" war. Like I said, ayoko nga sanang umeksena, but someone criticized Ateneo without knowing what really happens behind the scenes. That's what brought me out of the spectator box.

Universities don't need to be identical in their goals. Not aligning itself with the majority is Ateneo's prerogative, and that doesn't deserve rebuke.

Anyway, simpleng punto ko lang talaga ay ito: maghanap tayo ng konting perspective. Kung wala tayo nun, lahat tayo jologs. :)

..in the case, UST and UP are the most consistent.

Yes. I agree. UST and UP have done very well in the boards.

But the only certain logic to be drawn from this is the following: If your goal is to be a board passer, go to UP or UST.

Masaya na ba kayo dun?

its kinda arrogant to say that board exams is a nuisance, well, as for me - i owe my professional license to UST, PRC and my parents.

Well, it just is for a lot of people I know.

Di naman yun pagmamayabang, it just means that people's goals vary. To many, the boards aren't as important as other people seem to make it. They're just like my two French classes in college. I almost never attended them, and barely passed. I considered them a nuisance. If that makes me arrogant, then so be it. In that case, anytime you prioritized one option over another in the past, arrogante ka rin nun.

Finally this, an all-too-familiar situation in Ateneo and UP. (Though I'll use La Salle as an example para maiba naman). Imagine, say, an engineering student working on La Salle's SINAG. He works day in an day out building and improving his solar car and making great progress -- experience which makes him much more qualified for future real engineering projects. Suddenly, the boards are three months away. Aaargh... now he's got to start reviewing... spending months away from his project so remembering how to answer a bunch of problems that he knows he can solve with the right textbook at hand anyway ... and just because the country he's in will not consider him a "qualified engineer" if he doesn't have a license.

Care to make a guess of what he'll think of these exams?

enteng.00

Jul 30, 2008, 10:07 PM

^ I got your point and I believe you in some degree, but as to what I see here, at least in NY and nearby Jersey area, that's the case and I stand firm to what I say.

- well, here at Tisch - anything goes. The only license we need is an equity right to perform :) sayang ang professional license ko sa Pinas. :)

physicist

Jul 31, 2008, 04:00 AM

^ I got your point and I believe you in some degree, but as to what I see here, at least in NY and nearby Jersey area, that's the case and I stand firm to what I say.

Glad to know that we seem to be understanding each other.

I presume that you've taught at one of the better universities in the NY area (perhaps Columbia?), AND also in one of our best schools back home. If you haven't done both, then that doesn't really allow you to draw an informed comparison now, does it?

In any case, I have friends (from Ateneo and UP) doing PhDs in both NYU and Stony Brook. They complain about their students just as I do.

I don't mean to sound confrontational here. Apologies in advance. But I'm just usually ticked off when people just shrug-off Filipino students like they were a notch below American students. And I was getting that vibe from you. (That might have been my mistake). Frankly, all my experiences throughout the US (yes, also in NY) still make me believe that, at least student-wise, Filipino students who go to our best schools are better than most of their American peers.

Mahirap lang ang mga univs natin (and yes that includes our private univs), pero mga bata natin matatalino naman.

Cheers!

cretinous00

Jul 31, 2008, 11:54 AM

okay, how many dumb statements has this thread produced so far?

"board exams are mostly trivia." [simply dumb]

"But people may have different definitions of excellence. Ateneo's ECCE department is very young." [talk about disjointed sentences!]

"here in the US, board exams don't matter at all because all schools are expected to produce good students..." [lol! like our DECS doesn't expect every licensed school to be good.]

enteng.00

Jul 31, 2008, 12:07 PM

Glad to know that we seem to be understanding each other.

I presume that you've taught at one of the better universities in the NY area (perhaps Columbia?), AND also in one of our best schools back home. If you haven't done both, then that doesn't really allow you to draw an informed comparison now, does it?

In any case, I have friends (from Ateneo and UP) doing PhDs in both NYU and Stony Brook. They complain about their students just as I do.

I don't mean to sound confrontational here. Apologies in advance. But I'm just usually ticked off when people just shrug-off Filipino students like they were a notch below American students. And I was getting that vibe from you. (That might have been my mistake). Frankly, all my experiences throughout the US (yes, also in NY) still make me believe that, at least student-wise, Filipino students who go to our best schools are better than most of their American peers.

Mahirap lang ang mga univs natin (and yes that includes our private univs), pero mga bata natin matatalino naman.

Cheers!

you are somewhat getting a wrong notion about the points i'm raising. i'm in no position to say that filipinos (locally educated) are inferior as compared to americans because i'm a proud product of a filipino education myself - and to start with, i was not comparing THE students specifically.

yeah, mahirap talaga ng milya milya ang mga universities natin even as compared to our neighboring countries such as Singapore and others.

ubermensch

Jul 31, 2008, 12:11 PM

off-topic. I have nothing to contribute to the discussion regarding license exams.

I don't mean to sound confrontational here. Apologies in advance. But I'm just usually ticked off when people just shrug-off Filipino students like they were a notch below American students....

Mahirap lang ang mga univs natin (and yes that includes our private univs), pero mga bata natin matatalino naman.

I agree! *okay*

My buddy and I, whenever we have our yosi break and coffee, we compare our current students in the US and those we taught in our respective countries (he's from Korea). Then we laugh.

physicist

Jul 31, 2008, 02:56 PM

okay, how many dumb statements has this thread produced so far?

"But people may have different definitions of excellence. Ateneo's ECCE department is very young." [talk about disjointed sentences!]

Pareng crets, read the full unedited paragraph para malinawan ka. The sentences may need a stylistic reordering, but they're all there.

In fact, just put a paragraph break in between the two sentences you highlight. That should work.

If it still doesn't, then let's itemize for your sake.

Why Ateneo's ECE program may be struggling:

(a) Young and foreign-trained department --> might mean --> they're still getting used to this boards-culture of ours.

(b) Foreign-trained department --> might mean --> board exam performance isn't its emphasis (ie. different definition of excellence).

Gets?! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

Oh, and please, let's not start acting like english-nitpicking Ateneans. :)

physicist

Jul 31, 2008, 03:12 PM

okay, how many dumb statements has this thread produced so far?

"board exams are mostly trivia." [simply dumb]

Yep.

"here in the US, board exams don't matter at all because all schools are expected to produce good students..." [lol! like our DECS doesn't expect every licensed school to be good.]

This wasn't mine, but I did get his point.

Substitute "used to producing" where he has "expected to produce", then maybe you'll get what he meant.

Come on crets, konting leeway naman. This is a touch-move, informal forum after all, not one of our philo exams. If you really insist though, maybe you can spell-check for us too. I'd really appreciate it. :)

physicist

Jul 31, 2008, 03:50 PM

you are somewhat getting a wrong notion about the points i'm raising. i'm in no position to say that filipinos (locally educated) are inferior as compared to americans because i'm a proud product of a filipino education myself - and to start with, i was not comparing THE students specifically.

I guess I may have misunderstood you then.

But your argument seemed to be that:

(A) All schools in the US traditionally produce good students.

And therefore:

(B) Boards don't matter in the US as much.

Of course, I agree with (B). That's just a factual observation. What I don't agree with is that (A) explains (B).

The simple reason is that (A) could very well be blatantly false. At least that's what my experience leads me to believe.

Nasa isip ko din kasi, belief in (A) reeks of colonial mentality. Hence, the long reaction.

If I'm wrong on that, then I stand corrected. Ayos ba? :)

physicist

Jul 31, 2008, 04:00 PM

I agree! *okay*

My buddy and I, whenever we have our yosi break and coffee, we compare our current students in the US and those we taught in our respective countries (he's from Korea). Then we laugh.

Aha! So stereotypical "grad-students-making-fun-of-undergrads" din pala kayo, with the standard coffee and yosi to boot.

Wag lang kayong marinig nila... you may hurt their feelings. :lol:

cretinous00

Jul 31, 2008, 05:51 PM

i'm getting a fiendish delight now that i know i'm not the only one cursing this moderated forum. hey KD, can't we be allowed to go back and edit?

ok, whereas your young ECE program may be a valid argument, it doesn't hold in all cases. UP's ECE program is also relatively young. it wasn't there during my time and i'm not THAT old. :lol: and who will implement it in diliman but foreigners and foreign-trained pinoy engineers, right?

being a board passer, i'm familiar with the anti-board segment that you're trying to explain. in UP there are crackpots (smar crackpots though) who refuse to take the exam and some are staying put right here in the philippines. most of them are doing fine, practicing their field albeit without a license. all of them agree their chosen fields require some kind of goverment accreditation because of the potential risks to various resources (public health, safety, other people's money, national security, etc.)

COME TO THINK OF IT, WHY HASN'T ANYONE HERE DEFENDED THE NEED FOR BOARD EXAMS IN THE PHILIPPINES?

but going back, the guys above chose not to be 'examinado' mostly for personal reasons. one thinks like mr. light emitter, saying memorizing so many details is beneath his status as a UP graduate. another doesn't want to take the test because he's a magna cum laude and he'll look funny if he didn't take #1 spot (yes, he's spineless wimp despite his mcl.) another argues that the various resources the PRC intends to protect cannot be safeguarded by young snots who just passed a memory/problem solving quiz. you need experience, mature thinking, and a proven record as a professional.

that's it for the crackpots. the vast majority of board course takers are looking to buld a career in good ol philippines and they mean to pass any number of licensure tests required of them. no ifs or buts. and many who distinguished themselves in the academe, the board exam AND in the professional field, went on to take advanced courses in 'board-averse' continents. same thing.

someone told me celebrity boxing ring physician, ferdy pacheco, is a board top-notcher in three states (i never got to confirm this.) but if it's true, i'm sure that counts for something.

and why would john kennedy jr. bother to take the jew york bar exam three times if all he's going to do is publish a monthly magazine?

joshua3

Jul 31, 2008, 07:35 PM

i love the intelligent 'exchanges' here hehe... =)

KuyaDanny

Jul 31, 2008, 07:48 PM

i'm getting a fiendish delight now that i know i'm not the only one cursing this moderated forum. hey KD, can't we be allowed to go back and edit?

If you are looking for people to curse, curse all those immature trolls who made this moderated forum "possible". ;)

You won't be allowed to go back and edit, but you are always welcome to correct yourself with new posts, the way most educated people are capable of doing.

deemax

Jul 31, 2008, 07:55 PM

kaya proud ako maging thomasian eh, tulad ng sinabi ng profs ko dati, kahit minamaliit ng ibang schools ang UST, di na need patulan dahil hayaan na nila dapat makita ang results :D

cretinous00

Jul 31, 2008, 08:17 PM

it takes at least 5 years of pexing to become a mature troll. example:

You won't be allowed to go back and edit, but you are always welcome to correct yourself with new posts, the way most educated people are capable of doing.
most educated people aren't required to take board exams (like you :D )

any board exam taker knows you can't go back once you pass your paper (actually you can ---the following year. :lol: )

SonOfEmer

Jul 31, 2008, 09:46 PM

ako naman...
board exams are for regulating professionals.
it's like, even if you have graduated architecture, that does not mean pwede k ng gumawa ng design. There should be laws in order to have standard on the profession.

Remember, a diploma doesn't guarantee you can do your job.
Kaya nga may interview process pa sa job hunting.

I believe passing board exam just adds credits to your qualification. But at the same time, it is also not an assurance, same as your diploma.

If you pass an exam, well and good, you prepared well. It shall reflect you have discipline yourself.*okay*

For board topnotchers, congratulations, you have prepared very well. and congatulations to your school who prepared you right from start of your college education.*partysmiley*

board exam = discipline

fmontserrat

Jul 31, 2008, 11:06 PM

On topic:

The problem with licensure exams here in the Philippines is that its
relevance has been grossly overemphasized. It is only one form of competency-based assessment with its given advantages and limitations. Note also that the results derived from these exams may have been expressed in nominal values, particularly if you factor in the contribution of review centers in prepping candidates for the board.

Off topic:

I have yet to see a thread discussing performance of universities based on research output. (Which reminds me, SJTO's Academic Ranking of World Universities will be published by August 15.)

For a change, why not post statistics like: the average number of papers published (in a national or international peer-reviewed journal) per faculty (or graduate student) per year; the average number of papers presented (in a national or international conference) by a faculty (or graduate student) per year; etc. We have been told that in Japan, a professor writes at least two journal articles per year while here in our sad republic, our professors can only write on average "0.5" article a year or one journal article every two years. The numbers are quite telling. Our universities really need to address on its R&D programs.

jamesmaala

Aug 1, 2008, 12:21 AM

cretinous00

Aug 1, 2008, 07:12 AM

your school may be impressive if it cranks out tonnes of research work but it hardly reflects on the quality of the studentry at the college level, or its graduates seeking work outside. research is done by the faculty and graduate students.

stick to board exams.

Juntrix

Aug 1, 2008, 09:45 AM

work_place

Aug 1, 2008, 09:58 AM

^^^
It's so funny how people unaware of R&D is reacting.

Researches being done by faculty members and grad students? Hello...??? E ano kaya ang R&D dept ng bawat companies (multinational or local)... wala ba silang R&D doon?

Well-developed countries spend so much and R&D kaya sila well-developed, at kung bakit they can come up with radical development in technologies for local use and export is because of R&D, that will eventually create more jobs, etc etc... Hindi mo ba alam yon?

Ang hirap sa Pilipinas, gusto maging nurse at magtrabaho abroad. Ayaw gumawa ng something na kakaiba na pwedeng i-commercialize para umunlad ang bayan.

at mas importante pa pala ang board exam kesa sa R&D output ng isang school? Palibhasa siguro nabili nyo lang sa recto ang thesis nyo kaya wala kayong alam. Board exam will just slightly measure how good a school is. Or kung dapat na bang isara ang school kung 0% passing sila. pero other tha n that, wala na.

Even in UP, ang concern ay ang dami at quality ng research outputs ng faculty at students... board exam for the sake of just passing or topping lang, for the small card, disiplina, at wala na... board exam is simply easy, di naman sa pagmamayabang pero the questions there are way easier than our exams.

I suggest palitan na ang paniniwala natin na board exam lang basehan ng galing schools at estudyante. If research output is 0 for a school, dapat isara na ito. We can not be an industrialized country if we don't have a radical technology of our own, na magsisimula sa pinakasimple hanggang sa pinakakritikal na researches.

fossilFuel

Aug 1, 2008, 01:06 PM

I think educated people can easily understand the subject of this thread. And with all due respect to this persistent human being above me, R&D really did a lot for a meager Juan dela Cruz like me in fact I woke this morning and found myself in a third world country where people had to strive harder than usual to be able to drink a cup of coffee.

In my opinion, I am better of having a solid quantifiable data wherein comparison can be made than to waste my time thinking of how to make oranges out of apples.

When UP or Ateneo tops the Bar exams, it is but natural for people coming from those school to feel a certain amount of pride for this simple act of passing or even landing on top of this exam presents a sort of tangible proof that in fact they learned something.

Hay, I cant wait for the Bar exams para umiba naman ang ihip ng hangin biglang may relevance na ang pagkuha ng isang goverment administered exam. Masaya yan.

cretinous00

Aug 1, 2008, 01:07 PM

for one thing, schools usually do research, not research and development. second, we're talking about quantitative measures for school quality so i don't know how industry R&D comes into the picture. an undergrad thesis, whereas it qualifies as research work, is neither voluntary nor un-motivated. we should discuss only research by practicing professionals and that includes faculty members and graduate students. tsk-tsk.

work_place

Aug 1, 2008, 02:27 PM

^^
so you actually do not know how industries tie up with universities to do R&D.

And you are confirming pa na quality education is not measured by its research outputs? Hello? E ano, board exams? Napaka-cheap na basehan naman yan... board exam is more of a review-center thing than that of a good university and good students.

If a student can not do a hard-core research, even if he tops the board, wala syang kwenta. Every single technology comes from research, and research should be taught and developed in schools.
Ang mga schools na puro theories lang na lalabas sa board exam ang tinuturo ay walang kakwenta-kwentang eskwelahan. Kahit 100% passing sila sa board exam, na iilan lang ang nakakagawa, wala silang kwenta in the eyes of the world community.

Kaya nga sa ibang bansa, UP and others lang ang alam sa Philippines, kase UP lang ang maraming nababasang research outputs sa Pilipinas.

Kaya walang nararating ang bansa natin, ayaw mag-invest sa R&D... (by the way, naiintindihan ba ng lahat ang nagagawa ng R&D sa 1 bansa? parang hindi...) at kaya walang kakwenta-kwenta ang mga universities sa dito ay ayaw iengage ang curriculum ng mga technical courses nila into R&D. Puro profits lang ang iniisip at pagta-top sa board exam.

So ano ang mga developments/technologies na nagmumula sa Pilipinas at gawa ng mga Pinoy? Puro kalan? Puro suka at toyo? Pampaputi at papaya soaps? Hello...

Kung ang pagbabasehan lang ng galing ng universities ang board exam, walang mararating ang education system ng bansa.

fmontserrat

Aug 1, 2008, 02:35 PM

^^ Research? Yes. Development? Still yes. (And Extension too? Definitely yes.) I don't think the people behind Ubuntu (Linux), for example, would have been partially successful with their endeavor had it not been for the universities (the programmers, the lowly college student-volunteers and their professors) supporting them. Other examples would be DLSU's SINAG, UPD's Bayanihan (Linux) project (initially started by a CS student and taken over by DOST).

Ang sa akin lang naman, maybe we can turn our attention instead to R & D (& E) which is something that universities should take very seriously. A university does not exist to merely produce board exam passes, which is what is happening with universities in our sad republic in their need to secure accreditation. Universities here have generally done too little to improve the dearth in literature and technology.

Yes, licensure exams are indispensable tools to regulate the number of graduates / candidates to be granted rights for the practice of a profession. It directly measures the individual’s performance (I believe ‘qualification’ is a better term), and indirectly, the quality of education provided by the colleges within the universities AND the quality of services provided by review centers. However, there have been cases where our board exams had become problematic (e.g. exams containing defective questions, substantial number of exams questions found in pre-week materials of review centers), not to mention politicized (e.g. PRC trying to temper the supply and demand of needed professionals). With this, the purpose of a licensure exam has been defeated. A defective instrument can never appraise reliably the needed competencies of a candidate to exercise his profession.

work_place

Aug 1, 2008, 03:04 PM

fossilFuel

Aug 1, 2008, 03:58 PM

I am not underestimating the board exam... but I guess research works are more important in developing skills, knowledge, creativity, resourcefulness, patience, discipline and competitiveness for the students, faculty even alumni. Science, Eng'g, Home Economics (Food Tech, etc) should develop a more research-based curriculum to encourage students to do further researches outside school in their own ways. Radical innovations are products of research, and those are what's missing in the country. Imagine if our students/faculty members or even scientists-entrepreneurs are the ones who developed text messaging, or penicillin, or colored TV, then the Philippines will be a more "stable" country than today.

Dream Big pang Pinoy Dream Academy but it wont hurt if we live and consider reality.

If ang ituturo lang sa universities (technical courses) ay theories na lalabas lang sa board exam, at yung mga thesis topics nila are merely additional inputs lang sa mga existing research studies... sorry but I can not see any quality education here, even though they got 70-100% passing rate sa board exam.

Again, lacking in form and substance. A misguided thought which may only come from those who ask their parents for monthly allowance in order to buy a grande or tall starbucks coffee. Dream on. Which brings me to this question, are they grooming this kind of kids in school nowadays? A school getting 70-100% and landing a few of those on top is better than never ending whinning here in PEx might be due to frustration that his/her school fell short of what is expected of them.

Go back to school, after getting your diploma and professional license(if ever you are metally capable of hurdling one) then tell us that this piece of card is not worth the stretch of 5-10 years of hardworked.

o yan bar exams na nga lang para pwede nang relevant ang goverment licensure exams ulit.

joshua3

Aug 1, 2008, 06:16 PM

work_place:

i must agree w/ u that universities should give more focus on research. our country badly needs that direction in order to truly develop. like u, i also see research as more important than the board exams. however, that is not the topic of this thread. :bop:

one cannot downgrade the relevance of the board exams, though. when u said that the board only slightly measures how good the school is and shuts down those poorly-performing schools and then wala na, u obviously discredits the licensure process. how about the bar exams? do u also discredit UP's and Ateneo's achievements in those licensures? or u r only bias to UST's excellence in almost all the other fields? or do u also treat it as tsamba when a little-known provincial university tops the board/bar? eh madalas-dalas na nangyayari yan, which means that the best universities do not have the monopoly of the brightest. kalat-kalat na ang mga matatalinong bata. nayayabangan na kasi sila sa manila 'imperialism' kung tawagin nila sa Visayas-Mindanao.

bakit mo pinasok ang research sa thread na to? kasi kakaunti lang ang recognized, and to be more straightforward, wala talagang didikit sa UP pag dating dyan. Well-funded and supported ang research endeavors ng UP compared to the rest of the universities in RP. at sana nga in the occasion of its 100th foundation, eh nag-contribute ng todo-todo sa pag-unlad ng bansa ang mga research na yun. ganun nga ba nangyari?

this thread is about the performance of schools in different licensure exams. dito may equal chances ang lahat ng schools. kung di dahil sa mga press releases ng PRC (exam results) di natin malalaman na marami-rami na palang universities ngayon ang commendable ang performance sa board exams. Take the nursing board for example. Hindi lang UP ang palaging nakaka 100% sa nursing board. Palagi nyang kasama yung kapareho nya ng kategorya (30-99 examinees; kaunti) -- PCU, SPU-Iloilo, Cebu Normal U, etc.. Hindi na 'exclusive' ang performance ng UP ngayon. :p

cretinous00

Aug 1, 2008, 07:50 PM

oh i know how extension work goes, having been part of it a couple of times. but sorry, you're splitting hairs about research. professional accreditation of graduates takes first place here. let me ask you, what's the percentage retention by universities of graduates after they get their bachelor's degree? hmmm?

-jps-

Aug 1, 2008, 10:21 PM

:bop:OO nga naman bakit masyado naman mataas ang tingin ng mga tao sa board exam dito sa Pilipinas? .... Di naman nasusukat ang galing ng isang graduate sa board exam. Lalo na sa engineering board exams particularly sa ECE board exam na sandamakmak ang trivia at memorizations na dapat gawin na di naman dapat. Mas natutuon ang mga skuls dito sa atin sa pagpapataas ng kaninang passing rate na siya naman ang magiging pang akit nila para dumami ang students nila kaysa sa pagpapataas ng standards at quality ng edukasyon. Kaya tuloy ang nasa isip ng karamihan ng students ang makapasa na lang sa board exam kaysa sa matuto ng dapat nilang matutunan na magagamit nila sa real world. For example sa course ko, nuung minsan nareresearch kami sa library about sa pagdederive ng mga formulas ng EMITTER FOLLOWER at sa mga hybrid equivalent ng mga circuits, nisbi ng mga classm8 ko na " BAKIT BA NATIN KAILANGAN PAG ARALAN ANG MGA ITO EH HINDI NAMAN ITO KASAMA SA BOARD EXAM?? :confused: at DAPAT YUNG MGA POSSIBLE NA LALABAS LANG SA BOARD EXAM ANG DAPAT NATIN PINAG AARALAN". Nasabi ko sa sarili ko na ganito na ba dapat ang mentalidad ng mga students sa ngayon ang mag aral lang para sa board exam. Kaya maraming board passers sa ECE ang hindi marunong magdesign ng mga electronic circuit gaya ng POWER SUPPLIES, Power Amplifiers, etc. (mas nakakabilib p nga mga technicians eh ) mas master pa nila yung mga minemorize nilang mga terms pero di naman nila alam kung saan gagamitin at pano gagamitin. :lol: :lol: KAya Kawawa ang PINAS kung gnito talaga ang magiging mentalidad :depressed: :depressed:

incognito_09

Aug 1, 2008, 11:07 PM

hmm, bakit kasi (sa aking observation) sa board na to, laging nagpapagalingan ang iba't-ibang universities? kayo na ang may sabi na board exams are the ultimate test of an individual's intelligence, INDIVIDUAL pare, hindi university. Some of you would say na kung wala yung school walang matututunan at kapag walang natutunan di pasado sa board. Wala sa school yan, i believe, nasa tao yan. madaming geniuses in the past that are college drop outs. Einstein and Shakespeare. Thing is, wag na sana tayong magpayabangan, pag labas mo ng university pagkagrad mo, wala namang malaking sign sa noo mo na nagsasabi kung saan ka gumrad e. diba? THESE ARE OPINIONS.

Here's another one kung bakit, sabi ng isa dito, di matanggap ng "big 3" na may isang hindi kasama sa kanila na nageexcell sa board.

UP - nasa top na yan. kahit mawala yan dyan, nasa mindset na ng tao na top univ yan sa Pinas.
DLSU and ADMU - feeling nila at tingin ng iba elite sila. OPINION! at ang UST pang masa. kaya di nila matanggap na nasusurpass siya ng USTe. WARNING: THE FOLLOWING ARE PURE OPINIONS, ang DLSU, if you were to ask me, ay mga mayayamang conyo na ubod ng yabang wala namang alam. show me the money kay prof? ADMU, i have to commend na may alam sila. mayabang nga lang. feel na feel ang pagiging elitista.

kaya defensive ako kasi ayoko ng away kahit na parang gusto ko. i'm just speaking my mind. :) you may criticize me, ok lang. I'm sorry, yan talaga nasa isip ko. enlighten me na lang.

Thomasian ako and i have to admit, may pagka bias post ko.

Now this is an example of a denigratory, play-it-safe post. In your first paragraph, you seemed convinced that the school from which a student graduated doesn't really matter as regards passing the boards, but rather, success in the latter depends on the individual. However, at your third pseudo-paragraph, you started giving your pungent and half-baked generalizations about schools and made UST look as though it's a damsel in distress. But at the 4th paragraph, you started to falter, saying you're just defensive because you don't want a fight. DUH! Then why start giving ill-founded comments if you don't want a fight in the first place?:naughty:

I'm from DLSU and I found this particular comment foolish and off:

DLSU, if you were to ask me, ay mga mayayamang conyo na ubod ng yabang wala namang alam. show me the money kay prof?

By saying "ubod ng yabang," you may be referring to that aura of "angas" in some of the students in DLSU. Well, I'm pretty sure you're just intimidated of their "maangas" aura in terms of get-ups and mannerisms, which aren't necessarily bad, since what could they do if they if they're part of the upper echelon and are raised that way? Also, this phenomenon is something which is not exclusive of DLSU. I'm pretty sure there are many of that bunch in UST.

Now, to call us "wala namang alam" is really infuriating. That's the old stereotype of DLSU, which by the way is very far from reality. I believe that the stellar performances of students in board exams, local and international recognitions (CHED, THES-QS etc.), and the top-notch faculty line-up of DLSU are already enough to disprove your baseless criticism of my school.

By the way, I'm just an average student by La Salle's standards who's just trying to enlighten a confused Thomasian. *okay*

fmontserrat

Aug 1, 2008, 11:26 PM

I know that we, PExers, here in this thread are in agreement, among other things:

1. (On-topic) That the relevance of board exams as an entry level exam for would-be professionals cannot be overlooked; and

2. (Off-topic) Research output is just as important or may even be more important than board exams results.

With the first one, it is in these results that I found respect for schools like Mariano Marcos State U., Silliman U., Manuel S. Enverga U., Xavier U., and U. San Carlos. It just goes to show that a lot of univs. outside Manila have done well to prep their students for the licensure exams.

However, I could only wish that PRC and the different boards serving under it exert a little more effort to add credibility to their exams. Members of academia had been in constant clash with the Board of Accountancy, for example, for the latter's failure to provide reliable instruments for competency assessment. I don't know how it is with the Board of Nursing, Board of Civil Engineering, Board of Medicine, or Supreme Court; all I know is, we need serious reforms in our accreditation system if we really want to effectively separate the grains from the husk so to speak.

As for the second one, I guess this deserves another thread. Or a chat over coffee to soothe our frustrations.

hunter_alchemst, you really need to post those statistics soon.

S_C_U_D

Aug 2, 2008, 10:04 AM

I still believe in PRC's credibility. Ang problema nga lang, masyadong mataas ang expectations ng mga estudyante, board examinees at board passers sa mga members ng Board Examiners na kapag nalusutan ng mga mandaraya sa kanila pa rin ang sisi.

Kung tutuusin, sino ba ang mas nakikinabang sa PRC? Tayo mismong mga propesyunal! Sino rin ang apektado kapag mababa ang tingin ng tao sa kredibilidad ng examinations na bigay ng PRC? Tayo rin mga propesyunal. Kaya nga dapat, everytime PRC is under attack, dapat mga propesyunal din mismo ang sumasalo.

Agree na maraming kailangang baguhin sa accreditation at licensing, tama lang na nagbibigay ng opinyon ang academia at mga propesyunal para mas mapaganda. Ang nakakainis lang, yung mga ibang propesyunal na puro batikos sa PRC at minamaliit ang licensure exams pero wala namang binibigay na solusyon.

Kung sa akin lang, mas gusto ko pang makita ang school ko na pumasok sa Top 10 ng mga Board Exams sa PRC kaysa pumasok sa survey ng Top 500 schools sa buong mundo. :D

jamesmaala

Aug 2, 2008, 12:30 PM

@ incognito_09

aryt sir, i was just speaking my mind. :) yun lang po kasi naiisip ko. look, ayoko ng kahit anong away dito. nakalagay nga sa title bar sa homepage ng PEx na speak your mind in our forum so that's what i'm doing. yup, baseless criticism po yung tungkol sa school niyo. My only basis is yung naiisip ko at ng sandamakmak na taong nakakasalamuha ko kapag napaguusapan yung ganyan topic.

light-emitting

Aug 2, 2008, 12:35 PM

Sorry ngayon lang ako ulit nakapag-post.

So siyempre ang daming umaway sa akin ahaha! :) Pero aminin na natin, hindi ba ang laki ng percentage sa board exams ang kailangan ng memory work (as in yung explicit na 'what is', 'who is', 'where is')? Mag-ECE board exams kasi kayo, nang maintindihan niyo sinasabi ko. *okay*

I sounded like I underestimate board passers. Not really. My point being, board exams are overrated. Masyadong mataas ang tingin sa mga paaralang nakakapag-produce ng board topnotchers. Eh hindi ba ang memory work ay nasa kapasidad ng tao na makapagmemorize?

Oo, sabihin na nating malaki ang factor ng university. Nasa sa kanila ang techniques for memory or whatnot. Pero mas ibibigay ko ang bilib ko mga taong nagtotop ng board, at hindi sa mga unibersidad na pinaggalingan nila. *okay*

Sobrang dalang marinig ang UP sa board exams ng ECE. Kasi hindi sila tinuruan para magmemorize. Lahat ng exams nila, 10 points lang or wala man lang out of a hundred ang objective. Puro analysis. How, why. Kasi para sa mga tao doon, analytical skills ang pinakakailangan ng mga engineer. Engineers create, not memorize.

I just think board exams are overrated. Hindi kailangan ng Pilipinas ng mga taong nagbblurt-out ng terms from their overinflated brains. What this country needs are problem solvers. *okay*

joshua3

Aug 2, 2008, 02:43 PM

joshua3

Aug 2, 2008, 02:49 PM

Sobrang dalang marinig ang UP sa board exams ng ECE. Kasi hindi sila tinuruan para magmemorize. Lahat ng exams nila, 10 points lang or wala man lang out of a hundred ang objective. Puro analysis. How, why. Kasi para sa mga tao doon, analytical skills ang pinakakailangan ng mga engineer. Engineers create, not memorize.

:confused: Huh! Saang uni naman kaya yung nagtitrain ng engineering students to memorize? Sobrang awkward naman nun. Syempre pag engineering analytical skills talaga yan. :bop:

Juntrix

Aug 2, 2008, 02:58 PM

My point of view: No matter how good you are as a "problem solver", if you can't get yourself a license to practice "problem solving" (for professions that require a license to practice), then there will always be someone who would question your credibility and capacity.

"Board exams are overrated" --> Dapat lang :)

Besides, board exams are generally designed to test a candidate's basic knowledge about his chosed profession. How can you be a good "problem solver" if you can't even pass the boards?

paenggoy

Aug 2, 2008, 03:52 PM

I think there's something wrong if only 35 percent pass. We should also consider the average scores of those who pass.

marqueeyut

Aug 2, 2008, 04:16 PM

fmontserrat

Aug 2, 2008, 06:24 PM

It seems it all boils down to what our universities try to aim. Is it to teach students conform with existing standards (by passing the board exams and obtain a license) or think and create new knowledge (through research and development)?

Kung sa akin lang, mas gusto ko pang makita ang school ko na pumasok sa Top 10 ng mga Board Exams sa PRC kaysa pumasok sa survey ng Top 500 schools sa buong mundo.

S_C_U_D, you should think twice before saying statements like this. Producing board passers is but a short-term goal. Building your reputation as a world-class research university should be the long-term goal. Daring as it may sound but

If you'd excuse me, I'll have to redraft my mid-term exam for the kids. Salam!

(Ah, God bless you, Dr. Randy Pausch!)

light-emitting

Aug 2, 2008, 06:43 PM

about dun sa masyadong trivial ang board exams:

ewan ko sa ibang boards ah, pero sa arki, may isang araw ng exams na nagdedesign ang mga takers. on-the-spot sila bibigyan ng project, and they'll have to draw and design a structure from the given problem.

I don't think na trivial ang archi board exams..

I totally agree. Kaya I never dared mention Architecture board exams. Kasi iyan ang isa sa iilang exam ang credible, para sakin. *okay*

Hindi ko naman itinanggi kahit kailan ang fundamental purpose ng boards -- that is, to sieve those who can from those who cannot. Ang problema, hindi ito nagagawa effectively (efficiently, oo, pero effectively, hindi) ng boards. Oo nga, nasasala ang mga may basic knowledge sa wala. Pero what about the analysis part? Nasasala ba ang mga kayang magdesign sa hindi? Iba ang may alam sa may kayang gumawa. Alam nating lahat yan.

That's why board exams are SO overrated for me. Oo nga, lumalabas ang mga may basic knowledge sa fields of profession. Pero that does not objectively measure the professional's capability to be a problem solver. Sadly, I don't know what does, on a national scale.

O sige, let me rephrase my statement: Hindi kailangan ng Pilipinas ng mga taong nagbblurt-out ng terms from their overinflated brains LANG. What this country needs are problem solvers, granted that they pass the ever-revered board exams. *okay*

Dacs

Aug 2, 2008, 09:31 PM

Besides, board exams are generally designed to test a candidate's basic knowledge about his chosed profession. How can you be a good "problem solver" if you can't even pass the boards?
What makes an engineer an engineer?

Board exam simply gauges your competency to practice your field.

Ika nga, if you have the minimum requirement capacity decided upon the board of examiners for you to work in the capacity of the exam you're about to take.

For the most part, the competency lies nearer the bare minimum required. While this is the case, I believe that a licensed professional must at least be at the minimum, competent enough to do his work.

If one excels at it, it's not because of the board exam. This is (partly) because of genetics and for the most part, effort and experience being put in his/her craft.

Bottomline? We cannot just say how good this doctor/nurse/accountant/etc based on the board. We can tell one thing for sure though: a board passer is deemed competent enough to do his/her work.
I totally agree. Kaya I never dared mention Architecture board exams. Kasi iyan ang isa sa iilang exam ang credible, para sakin. *okay*

Hindi ko naman itinanggi kahit kailan ang fundamental purpose ng boards -- that is, to sieve those who can from those who cannot. Ang problema, hindi ito nagagawa effectively (efficiently, oo, pero effectively, hindi) ng boards. Oo nga, nasasala ang mga may basic knowledge sa wala. Pero what about the analysis part? Nasasala ba ang mga kayang magdesign sa hindi? Iba ang may alam sa may kayang gumawa. Alam nating lahat yan.

That's why board exams are SO overrated for me. Oo nga, lumalabas ang mga may basic knowledge sa fields of profession. Pero that does not objectively measure the professional's capability to be a problem solver. Sadly, I don't know what does, on a national scale.

O sige, let me rephrase my statement: Hindi kailangan ng Pilipinas ng mga taong nagbblurt-out ng terms from their overinflated brains LANG. What this country needs are problem solvers, granted that they pass the ever-revered board exams. *okay*
Wag din nating kalimutan na ang board exam ay hindi ginawa upang malaman kung anu-anong institusyon ang nagpapagradweyt ng magagaling na propesyonal.

If it cannot weed out the have from the have-not's effectively, I think the board of examiners should review their criteria. But a poor yardstick will not invalidate the ultimate purpose of the board exam.

To close, no matter how we interpret the board exam results, it somehow reflects the competency of the examinees, but not necessarily his/her capability.

That said, we cannot just ignore the pattern. Some schools fare better than others. And we're all hypocrites if we don't admit that the school has nothing to do with it.

S_C_U_D

Aug 2, 2008, 09:36 PM

It seems it all boils down to what our universities try to aim. Is it to teach students conform with existing standards (by passing the board exams and obtain a license) or think and create new knowledge (through research and development)?

S_C_U_D, you should think twice before saying statements like this. Producing board passers is but a short-term goal. Building your reputation as a world-class research university should be the long-term goal. Daring as it may sound but

If you'd excuse me, I'll have to redraft my mid-term exam for the kids. Salam!

(Ah, God bless you, Dr. Randy Pausch!)

I won't ague with that, halos lahat naman ng universities sa mundo ganyan ang aim, to create new knowledge through R&D.

Pero ang tanong lang, lahat ba tayo pang R&D? I guess not, some are willing na maging guinea pig or gamitin ang research ng ibang tao through practical application, and that doesn't make them less important person.

May mas malaking problema sa Pilipinas kaysa R&D per se, yan ay ang RESOURCES. Kung sa utak din lang mas bilib ako sa mga Pinoy, pero imposible ang R&D na walang puhunan.

S_C_U_D

Aug 2, 2008, 09:52 PM

jamesmaala

Aug 2, 2008, 10:28 PM

@ joshua3

:) ganyan talaga. i mean, i was wrong din naman una pa lang. one thing, bakit parang laging binabash yung UST dito? may nabasa kasi akong thread, galit na galit yung thomasian sa EASTian kasi sa pangbabash ng EASTian e. natanong ko lang.

gioboy

Aug 3, 2008, 02:27 AM

kunwari na-ospital ka, magiging komportable ka ba kung ang doktor na mag-rereseta ng gamot or mag-oopera sa katawan mo ay hindi pumasa ng board exam? or yung nurse na magbibigay ng gamot at health teaching ay hindi pumasa ng board exam.

bakit kasi kailangan i-diskredito ang board exam eh tungkol naman sa board exam ang thread. ngayon ko lang din narinig na puro trivia na pala ang content ng boards, eh di dapat palitan ang mga Board Examiner na gumagawa ng exam.

joshua3

Aug 3, 2008, 06:26 AM

What makes an engineer an engineer?

Board exam simply gauges your competency to practice your field.

Ika nga, if you have the minimum requirement capacity decided upon the board of examiners for you to work in the capacity of the exam you're about to take.

For the most part, the competency lies nearer the bare minimum required. While this is the case, I believe that a licensed professional must at least be at the minimum, competent enough to do his work.

If one excels at it, it's not because of the board exam. This is (partly) because of genetics and for the most part, effort and experience being put in his/her craft.

Bottomline? We cannot just say how good this doctor/nurse/accountant/etc based on the board. We can tell one thing for sure though: a board passer is deemed competent enough to do his/her work.

Wag din nating kalimutan na ang board exam ay hindi ginawa upang malaman kung anu-anong institusyon ang nagpapagradweyt ng magagaling na propesyonal.

If it cannot weed out the have from the have-not's effectively, I think the board of examiners should review their criteria. But a poor yardstick will not invalidate the ultimate purpose of the board exam.

To close, no matter how we interpret the board exam results, it somehow reflects the competency of the examinees, but not necessarily his/her capability.

That said, we cannot just ignore the pattern. Some schools fare better than others. And we're all hypocrites if we don't admit that the school has nothing to do with it.

An objective commentary; a rarity here. Totally agree. :)

Lady Chablis

Aug 3, 2008, 10:21 AM

The board examination is a nuisance but necessary step towards working in the real world. It would be unfortunate if many schools and students consider it as the ultimate goal, focus on teaching and learning high-yield board examination topics and ignore the more important nuances in college education that impact success in the real world of their profession. In the global job market competition, they end up in jobs unrelated to their professional degree.

-jps-

Aug 3, 2008, 10:52 AM

Nakakalungkot naman na minamaliit ng iba ang pagiging board passer at lisensyado, IMHO their barking up the wrong tree.

Dapat ang pinupukpok dyan yung mga gumagawa ng batas para baguhin ang sistema ng licensing at registration. Hindi rin naman kasi kakulangan ng mga estudyante kung pinapayagan na silang i-challenge ang board exam na kakagraduate lang sa unibersidad.

In other countries hindi pwede yan, kailangan muna ng sapat na experience at knowledge bago ka mag-exam, mag rehistro, at bigyan ng lisensya bago tawaging "professionals".

Still, unfair naman para sa mga examinees o board passers kung kekwestyunin agad ang kakayahan nila dahil lang pumasa sa board exam. Hindi natin alam, baka nga naman magaling talaga sila.

Kasi maraming examiners ang nagcocopy paste lang ng mga tanong sa isang book like ng Last November ECE board exam na ang karamihan ng tanong sa subject na electronics ay kinopya lang sa isang book na bagong labas lang as in yung mismong tanong at sagot, ewan ko lang kung ganoon din sa ibang board exams. Dapat naman siguro kung examiner sila talaga, sila mismo yung gagawa ng mga questions na sa tingin niya ay dapat itanong para masala talaga yung mga kukuha kung karapat dapat ngang maging board passers. Kaya di kabilib bilib ang kredibilidad ng board exams dito sa atin, Kaya nga maraming college graduates na karamihan ay kulang na kulang sa pag sasanay ay mga nagiging mga instant engineers, nurses, teachers etc. :confused:

S_C_U_D

Aug 3, 2008, 11:25 AM

Kasi maraming examiners ang nagcocopy paste lang ng mga tanong sa isang book like ng Last November ECE board exam na ang karamihan ng tanong sa subject na electronics ay kinopya lang sa isang book na bagong labas lang as in yung mismong tanong at sagot, ewan ko lang kung ganoon din sa ibang board exams. Dapat naman siguro kung examiner sila talaga, sila mismo yung gagawa ng mga questions na sa tingin niya ay dapat itanong para masala talaga yung mga kukuha kung karapat dapat ngang maging board passers. Kaya di kabilib bilib ang kredibilidad ng board exams dito sa atin, Kaya nga maraming college graduates na karamihan ay kulang na kulang sa pag sasanay ay mga nagiging mga instant engineers, nurses, teachers etc. :confused:

We question the abilities of our board passers, why not question the abilities of our graduates too?

Unang-una dyan dapat nagsisimula ang tinatawag nyong "sieving". Hindi naman eligible na mag-take ng board exams ang mga hindi graduates, di ba? Kung meron ngang mga examination questions na lantarang makikita sa libro, eh bakit marami pa ring bumabagsak?

Kung hindi rin lang bumibilib sa kredibilidad ng licensure examination, eh di parang sinabi nyo na rin na hindi kayo bilib sa mga Filipino Professionals.

light-emitting

Aug 3, 2008, 11:50 AM

bakit kasi kailangan i-diskredito ang board exam eh tungkol naman sa board exam ang thread. ngayon ko lang din narinig na puro trivia na pala ang content ng boards, eh di dapat palitan ang mga Board Examiner na gumagawa ng exam.

No one is discrediting the board exams per se. Ang problema kasi sa mga tao, masyado namang binibigyang credit ang mga board passers. Ang OA ng mga reaksyon pag may nakaka-top ng boards. :rotflmao:

kunwari na-ospital ka, magiging komportable ka ba kung ang doktor na mag-rereseta ng gamot or mag-oopera sa katawan mo ay hindi pumasa ng board exam? or yung nurse na magbibigay ng gamot at health teaching ay hindi pumasa ng board exam.

Hindi ako magiging komportable kung ang magrereseta sakin ay duktor na walang lisensya.

With the same level of doubt, hindi rin ako magiging kumportable sa duktor na lisensyado pero hindi magaling. Kaya nga ako nagtatanong-tanong sa mga kamag-anak at kakilala kung may kilala silang magaling, o kung may batchmate akong nag-aral sa respetadong unibersidad na duktor na ngayon. Kasi para sakin, di sapat ang board passer lang. Dapat kita agad na magaling sa propesyon.

Eh kung sana, mas mataas ang standard ng boards, that would save us a lot of inquiring and asking around and doubts. *okay*

joshua3

Aug 3, 2008, 12:42 PM

On board exams being a nuisance..

I don't think so. If your knowledge of the foundation of your chosen profession is solid, the exam questions should not be a nuisance at all. Nuisance yun sa mga hindi masyadong nag-aral at nagfocus sa kurso nila.

On board examiners copy-pasting exam questions from books..

Kung madaling sagutin, bonus yung ganun hehe. :lol: Seriously, that shouldn't be a problem too. I'm sure ilang items lang yun kung kinopy-paste nga. I remember, during my time, a few years ago, there were a couple of questions which I already encountered in some of the books I read. :)

S_C_U_D

Aug 3, 2008, 01:10 PM

No one is discrediting the board exams per se. Ang problema kasi sa mga tao, masyado namang binibigyang credit ang mga board passers. Ang OA ng mga reaksyon pag may nakaka-top ng boards. :rotflmao:

Masasabi mo kaya yan sa mga kukuha pa lang, at sa mga pumasa sa BAR Exams?

Masasabi mo rin kaya yan sa mga bagong Doctors?

O siguro nasasabi mo lang yan kasi....wala lang. :D

joshua3

Aug 3, 2008, 01:27 PM

Masasabi mo kaya yan sa mga kukuha pa lang, at sa mga pumasa sa BAR Exams?

Masasabi mo rin kaya yan sa mga bagong Doctors?

O siguro nasasabi mo lang yan kasi....wala lang. :D

Ibang klase ka sumupalpal pare.... [soft lang ahehe]... :lol:

gioboy

Aug 3, 2008, 08:50 PM

No one is discrediting the board exams per se. Ang problema kasi sa mga tao, masyado namang binibigyang credit ang mga board passers. Ang OA ng mga reaksyon pag may nakaka-top ng boards. :rotflmao:

Hindi ako magiging komportable kung ang magrereseta sakin ay duktor na walang lisensya.

With the same level of doubt, hindi rin ako magiging kumportable sa duktor na lisensyado pero hindi magaling. Kaya nga ako nagtatanong-tanong sa mga kamag-anak at kakilala kung may kilala silang magaling, o kung may batchmate akong nag-aral sa respetadong unibersidad na duktor na ngayon. Kasi para sakin, di sapat ang board passer lang. Dapat kita agad na magaling sa propesyon.

Eh kung sana, mas mataas ang standard ng boards, that would save us a lot of inquiring and asking around and doubts. *okay*

iba iba rin siguro ang board exam, sa aming mga nurses may requierment ang PRC na dapat may mga ma-complete # of cases sa delivery room, operating room at naka pag duty kasa San Lazaro, Orthopedic Center, Mental hospital and you practice a certain # of hours na duty sa hospital and community. Pag nagawa mo lahat ibig sabihin by law, qualified kang kumuha ng board exam and pag naipasa mo pwede kang mag-trabaho as a nurse.

gets ko ang point mo na marami naman talagang nakakapasa ng board exam na not quite ready to practice the profession, eh ang problema na lang talaga dyan ay ang standard ng PRC. Siguro they can increase the number of duty hours required kagaya ng ginawa ni sa nursing na dinagdagan ng subjects and duty hours.

Hindi mo rin masisisi ang ilang tao dito na i-glorify ang accomplishment ng mga schools nila sa board exam. ganyan na talaga siguro ang kultura ng mga pinoy.

Lady Chablis

Aug 4, 2008, 06:02 AM

On board exams being a nuisance..

I don't think so. If your knowledge of the foundation of your chosen profession is solid, the exam questions should not be a nuisance at all. Nuisance yun sa mga hindi masyadong nag-aral at nagfocus sa kurso nila.

Nuisance means one causing inconvenience or annoyance. In context with our discussion, to say that the board examination is a nuisance to those unfocused underachievers is, putting it mildly, an understatement. It's a do or die exam for them. On the other hand, it becomes a nuisance to those who feel and believe that they are truly competent but have to go through what they think a meaningless exam just to get license to practice their profession.

In my original statement, I never implied directly nor tangentially of board questions as nuisance. It's the board exam itself and the whole nine yards that comes along with it that many consider a nuisance.

cretinous00

Aug 4, 2008, 07:11 AM

just to reiterate my thoughts, a school's board passing performance is among the easiest ways to measure a school's performance. of course, critics would point to much publicized leaks and scandals but if one considers the scores of board/bar exams administered annually, these cases are exceptional.

being a board passer, i know that board examination procedures are next to airtight and it takes deliberate deceit or fraud to leak out questions to an entire group of examinees. board examiners are chosen among those who not only distinguished themselves as students and in the board exam, but managed to work their way to to top of the profession. if there's a word to describe them, it's 'credible.' before there were computers, the PRC clerks would type up the exam questions in the wee hours of the morning of examination day --under heavy security guard. you guys remember the initials 'amyte' at the end of the exam?

if a school chooses not offer that many board exam courses, fine. the measure does not apply to them. what i find sad is that some half wits would now try to derail this thread by pointing out the importance of a completely different topic (i.e., research.) while it's equally crucial, it can't be compared with professional accreditation. in fact, it's only here where some dolts are trying to jockey it alongside PRC accreditation. tsk-tsk.

Dacs

Aug 4, 2008, 10:41 AM

On the other hand, it becomes a nuisance to those who feel and believe that they are truly competent but have to go through what they think a meaningless exam just to get license to practice their profession.
If they feel that they're competent enough, what makes them hold back and take an exam that supposedly measure up their competency?

Thing with Pinas, when you pass the board, they have the feeling of they've accomplished all when in fact, it's just a start of their careers.

For those who make the top 10, give them some credit. Di rin biro ang dinaanan nyan :D

S_C_U_D

Aug 4, 2008, 10:47 AM

Ibang klase ka sumupalpal pare.... [soft lang ahehe]... :lol:

Naku, wag ka ganyan brother at baka hambalusin ako.

Ang punto ko lang naman, bakit kailangan pang sabihin na "masyadong binibigyan ng credit ang mga board passers" at "OA ang reaksyon pag may nakaka-top ng board" ? Obviously, hindi nila alam ang pakiramdam ng pagiging "Board Passer" or hindi nila alam ang pakiramdam ng mga magulang na may anak na "Board Passer". Medyo masakit lang sa mata basahin.

Sa Pilipinas, mas binibigyan (siguro) ng importansya ang BAR Exams at Physician Licensure Examinations. Kaya kung ipasara man ang Taft Avenue dahil may dumayong Ati-Atihan or ilagay man sila sa front page ng mga dyaryo sa loob ng isang linggo, hindi OA yun.

physicist

Aug 4, 2008, 11:04 AM

To all those who frustratingly can't read properly anymore:

THE BOARDS ARE IMPORTANT!

To think otherwise is just downright stupid. Without them we'd regress to the age of quack doctors and alchemists.

Isn't this obvious enough that people here should have an argument about it?

Now back to my regular programming:

ok, whereas your young ECE program may be a valid argument, it doesn't hold in all cases. UP's ECE program is also relatively young. it wasn't there during my time and i'm not THAT old. :lol: and who will implement it in diliman but foreigners and foreign-trained pinoy engineers, right?

Good point. I admit that the argument doesn't hold water as much as I would want it to. It is quite possible then that Ateneo's ECCE dept is just doing something fundamentally flawed, or perhaps it's just taking them longer than UP to equilibrate. Given the very different environment the ECCE department has to work with in Ateneo (ie. no prior engineering department to follow; and the university's insistence on a stronger-than-usual grounding in the humanities for all its majors), it doesn't sound all that surprising.

It must be pointed out though that Ateneo's ECE boards performance isn't bad. It's just not (yet) as good as some of the older ECE schools in the country.

Just out of (genuine) curiosity, would you know how old UP's ECE dept is? Were there boards in place when it came to existence?

As far as I know, Ateneo ECCE dept only started graduating its own majors less than five years ago. I'm hoping however, for it's own sake, that it starts getting it's act together. I don't think they'll enjoy being the laughing stock of the School of Science and Engineering, which will happen quickly if they don't make a blip on the boards radar soon.

You know what they say though... good things come to those who wait. :)

COME TO THINK OF IT, WHY HASN'T ANYONE HERE DEFENDED THE NEED FOR BOARD EXAMS IN THE PHILIPPINES?

That seems to me like preaching to the choir.

Except for a few crackpotty assertions of the boards being trivial, most people reading this forum seem to think that hurdling the boards grants special passes to St. Peter's pearly gates. This, to me, is what needs rectifying.

My point -- which isn't really that clever and really shouldn't be that controversial -- is that, while the boards ARE necessary, they mustn't be deified.

and why would john kennedy jr. bother to take the jew york bar exam three times if all he's going to do is publish a monthly magazine?

Maybe he had hopes to actually practice law? I don't know crets, I easily get stumped by all things pop culture. :)

physicist

Aug 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

If they feel that they're competent enough, what makes them hold back and take an exam that supposedly measure up their competency?

Believe it or not, some people don't need an exam to validate to themselves their competency in something.

It's not that they're holding back from the exam; it's that they don't see a point to taking it.

Thing with Pinas, when you pass the board, they have the feeling of they've accomplished all when in fact, it's just a start of their careers.

True.

For those who make the top 10, give them some credit. Di rin biro ang dinaanan nyan :D

Sometimes I think they get too much credit.

I mean no disrespect here, but like I said a while back, acing a board exam does not make one a great practitioner of some profession; it only makes one a great test-taker.

joshua3

Aug 4, 2008, 12:13 PM

Nuisance means one causing inconvenience or annoyance. In context with our discussion, to say that the board examination is a nuisance to those unfocused underachievers is, putting it mildly, an understatement. It's a do or die exam for them.

Agree. :)

On the other hand, it becomes a nuisance to those who feel and believe that they are truly competent but have to go through what they think a meaningless exam just to get license to practice their profession.

That's subjective. Who's one to judge his own capability in a particular field of profession? :hmm: Awkward naman nun. The licensure exam is the more objective way of determining who's capable and who's not. For now.

In my original statement, I never implied directly nor tangentially of board questions as nuisance. It's the board exam itself and the whole nine yards that comes along with it that many consider a nuisance.

Then let us now what you think is the better way of doing things. From there, we might move forward. And we'll owe it all to you. Btw, you don't have to tell us you never implied about the board questions. Come on -- board exam = board questions. :bop:

agat006

Aug 4, 2008, 01:18 PM

ontopic: i agree with the post that board exam weeds out the competent graduates/examinees from not.

offtopic: mangugulo lang.. hehe.. in my opinion, kaya hindi malalagpasan ng ibang school ang UP dahil sa number of research output unless malagpasan ng ibang school ang output ng UP.. last time nakita ko *** research output ng mga skuls(2yrs ago) ang layo ng agwat ng sumunod na skul.. and remember na research output ay isang criteria sa university world ranking ng THES, Asiaweek dati, et al. at hindi ang performance ng isang skul sa licensure exams.. ang ma-highblood pikon.. hehe.. peace...

joshua3

Aug 4, 2008, 01:39 PM

Naku, wag ka ganyan brother at baka hambalusin ako.

Ang punto ko lang naman, bakit kailangan pang sabihin na "masyadong binibigyan ng credit ang mga board passers" at "OA ang reaksyon pag may nakaka-top ng board" ? Obviously, hindi nila alam ang pakiramdam ng pagiging "Board Passer" or hindi nila alam ang pakiramdam ng mga magulang na may anak na "Board Passer". Medyo masakit lang sa mata basahin.

Sa Pilipinas, mas binibigyan (siguro) ng importansya ang BAR Exams at Physician Licensure Examinations. Kaya kung ipasara man ang Taft Avenue dahil may dumayong Ati-Atihan or ilagay man sila sa front page ng mga dyaryo sa loob ng isang linggo, hindi OA yun.

Sorry naman po. Sana hindi ka hambalusin hehe.

I totally agree with you. I have this impression that these people who bring clouds to the board passers and topnotchers day are non-professionals [not required to take the board is what I meant ;) ].

Btw, bakit Taft Ave.? Inde ba Espana? Andun ang sandamakmak na board passers/ topnotchers. Naku! Baka ako na hambalusin ngayon ehehe! :lol:

agat006

Aug 4, 2008, 01:43 PM

ontopic; tama na ang layunin ng board exam ay ihiwalay ang "competent" sa mga hindi.. pero may mga kakilala ako na after graduation, they didnt even bother taking the board exam and yet sila pa ang may magagandang job offer(topnotch comapany and salary&benefits package).. ika nga ni DACS mga "anak ng Diyos".. lets face it, not everyone thinks that licensure exam is a good measure for you to do your job.. may mga taong naniniwala, may mga taong hindi naniniwala.. it is as simple as that..

offtopic: manggugulo ***.. hehe.. kaya hindi malalagpasan ng ibang skul ang UP ay dahil na rin sa research output unless malagpasan nila UP.. the last time I saw the statistics on research output of phil. skuls sobrang layo ang agwat ng UP as sumunod na skul.. Lasalle ata yung sumunod.. and remember na ang research output ng skul ay isang criteria sa university world ranking like THES and Asiaweek dati, at hindi ang performance ng isang skul sa licensure exam.. ang ma-highblood, pikon... hehe.. peace..

joshua3

Aug 4, 2008, 01:53 PM

^pag nasa matinong pag-iisip hindi mahahighblood. bukod sa maayos ang pagkakasabi mo, eh tama naman sya. :) pero dun sa may period [copied from colorado sa other thread hehe], wala ka na magagawa dun.

Dacs

Aug 4, 2008, 02:04 PM

Believe it or not, some people don't need an exam to validate to themselves their competency in something.

It's not that they're holding back from the exam; it's that they don't see a point to taking it.
One reason to take the boards? It's mandated by law to pass the boards to practice your profession.

From my point of view, I still believe in the "practice what you preach" ideology. If you believe you have what it takes, then prove it.

To each his own I guess :)
Sometimes I think they get too much credit.

I mean no disrespect here, but like I said a while back, acing a board exam does not make one a great practitioner of some profession; it only makes one a great test-taker.
True, to the extent that what they have proven so far is that they've aced the board.

But I'm willing to bet that the majority (I think I'm an outlier :naughty: ) of them will excel in their chosen profession, should they chose to practice it.

Most of them have it takes (genetics, mindset, etc) to be successful. If they were able to ace the exam, what would stop them from doing better in their careers?

work_place

Aug 4, 2008, 04:34 PM

cge na, let's stick with the board exam na...

Anyway, during my time, sobrang kinarir ko naman ang pagre-review. To the point na hindi ako sumama sa hong kong para lang dito (1 month before the board). The point is, kapag UP ka, may 2 options ka lang --- you either pass, or you top the board.n

Kahit naman kase hindi binibigyan ng importansya ang board exam sa pagde-design ng curriculum, ang expectation pa rin with UP grads is that they can easily pass the board --- no excuses.

I think there's nothing wrong kung gagawing -R&D based and curriculum ng lahat ng eng'g at science schools sa Pilipinas. There are a lot of discussions/papers written in Managing R&D in universities sa internet. So sad, UP pa lang ang aktibong nag-eengage sa ganitong klase ng curriculum. Hopefully Ateneo and DLSU will soon adopt this type of learning.

Although syempre hindi pa rin dapat ma-sakripisyo ang resulta ng board exam passing rate kung mababago man ang curriculum ng bawat schools. Pride pa rin naman yun e. Pero hindi tamang basehan na sabihing board exam lang ang basehan ng galing ng 1 school. Yuck...

mangtotomas

Aug 4, 2008, 07:02 PM

Hay nabasa ko yung mga comments...masasabi kolang...BUTI PA ANG MGA TOMASINO... lam nyo guys remember this... we're not craving for power or fame...ang mahalaga sa amin ay MAKACONTRIBUTE SA SIBILISASYON...kaya dun sa mga bumabatikos sa achievements ng ust...EWAN... basta ang alam ko...wala pakong nababalitaang tomasino na may issue o skandalo kumpara sa alumnus ng ibang schools...wala akong apkialam sa BIG 4 nayan! our aim is to serve the nation.

Dami namang nagddown sa UST...kesyo madali entrance exams...hindi daw kami ganun ka competent compared sa ibang Big schools...

In UST....We don't accept excellent students.... We make them!:bop:

VIVA EL TOMASINO

proud to be thomasians at 400! laki na ng contribution natin kaya be proud!!!:)

marqueeyut

Aug 4, 2008, 09:10 PM

In UST....We don't accept excellent students.... We make them!:bop:

fellow thomasian, gasgas na yan.:p

don't tell it, just prove it.

dito kasi sa pex puro dada lang eh,
prove yourselves in the real world, you'll earn much much MUCH more respect than on this virtual world.

physicist

Aug 4, 2008, 10:42 PM

Nuisance means one causing inconvenience or annoyance. In context with our discussion, to say that the board examination is a nuisance to those unfocused underachievers is, putting it mildly, an understatement. It's a do or die exam for them. On the other hand, it becomes a nuisance to those who feel and believe that they are truly competent but have to go through what they think a meaningless exam just to get license to practice their profession.

Thanks for making this point clear.

I'd like to add though that in several cases, one can still practice their profession without passing the boards. In engineering, for instance, they can get a PhD abroad, and then decide to either get hired to do research by some company there, or to return to the Philippines to become research faculty.

Ironically, even though these are usually the people who will most likely be the sources of true innovation, most in the Philippines will not consider them real engineers -- and just because they didn't bother with the boards. To me, this is just silly.

light-emitting

Aug 4, 2008, 11:03 PM

Sino ba kasing nagsabing hindi importante ang Boards? :rotflmao:

Wag lang kasi i-overhype ang Boards. Na ang galing-galing na ng uni kasi daming topnotchers. Ang illogical gawin, in all honesty.
(1) Like what was stated here, nasa sa tao (genetics, upbringing) ang intellectual capacity;
(2) Wala pa kayo sa tunay na propesyon, kaka-lisensyado niyo pa lang;
(3) Quoting physicist, "acing a board exam does not make one a great practitioner of some profession; it only makes one a great test-taker."

Again, we are not entirely disregarding the purpose of the licensure exams here. Pero wag din ioverglorify. :D

Kung talagang respetado at angat ang isang unibersidad, hindi dapat nila ginoglorify ang sarili nila sa pagproduce ng board topnotchers -- dahil sa mga kadahilanang na-enumerate sa itaas. Magagaling ang mga estudyante, pero hindi necessarily magaling ang unibersidad.

I think that's why the issue of research and development was brought up here, kahit medyo offtopic na. Kasi (uulitin ko na naman hay) ang usapang boards, (1-3). Ang R&D ng isang unibersidad, reflective ng capability mismo ng university na magcultivate ng innovative minds.

Gusto niyo ng mas objective na gauge for universities? Bilangin niyo ang mga credible research outputs nila. Yan ang objective. *okay*

physicist

Aug 4, 2008, 11:13 PM

That's subjective. Who's one to judge his own capability in a particular field of profession? :hmm: Awkward naman nun. The licensure exam is the more objective way of determining who's capable and who's not. For now.

There are other ways of ensuring to oneself that one is capable. For engineers, I would say perhaps building something useful, actually getting stuff to work, doing innovative research, etc.
-- the things a real engineer should be doing.

No one is saying that the boards aren't important. Again that's just idiotic. The boards in the Philippines are our only sieve for minimal competency. But the point is that people should look beyond it to see what really counts.

I don't have any numbers with me, but I suspect that a handful of the best engineers in the world have not passed any sort of board exams whatsoever. Just as an indication of that, when you apply for an engineering job here in the US, (at least for the best jobs) a professional license doesn't even seem required. Companies even hire loads of physicists, and classify them as "engineers" to do their high-tech research and development. Now you be the judge of what that means.

Again, the value of the boards is not being questioned here, just our culture's often misguided worship of it.

physicist

Aug 4, 2008, 11:47 PM

One reason to take the boards? It's mandated by law to pass the boards to practice your profession.

From my point of view, I still believe in the "practice what you preach" ideology. If you believe you have what it takes, then prove it.

To each his own I guess :)

I partly agree. Yes, boards are absolutely essential for the practice of medicine, nursing, etc. These are fields for which knowing how to do routine things well are absolutely crucial. Hence the mandate.

What I had in mind though are the more research-oriented and innovative fields, like engineering and the sciences. For these areas, where the challenge is in creatively facing new (non-routine) situations, board certification becomes less important. Repeating what I wrote in an earlier post, the real practice of engineering can be done without boards. This is evidenced by the legions of "uncertified" engineers (which actually include physicists and other scientists) who actively engage in research and often run the most influential high-tech companies in the world today.

As you can see, I am an absolute believer of "practice what you preach". But you shouldn't confuse exam-taking with the real practice of engineering.

Yes, I absolutely agree that "If you believe you have what it takes, then prove it." But again I believe the "proof" is in building and innovating, rather than in exam-taking.

True, to the extent that what they have proven so far is that they've aced the board. But I'm willing to bet that the majority (I think I'm an outlier :naughty: ) of them will excel in their chosen profession, should they chose to practice it.

Most of them have it takes (genetics, mindset, etc) to be successful. If they were able to ace the exam, what would stop them from doing better in their careers?

Yes, I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if there exists a correlation between topping the boards and making great contributions in the future. Doing well in an exam is really a function of hard work and perseverance more than anything else; and these are qualities that strongly predispose someone towards success.

But I believe in bestowing the deifying accolades after the great contributions are made, and not just after the exams. Ika nga, don't count the chicks before the eggs hatch.

Again, a healthy perspective is all I'm after.

physicist

Aug 5, 2008, 12:13 AM

So sad, UP pa lang ang aktibong nag-eengage sa ganitong klase ng curriculum. Hopefully Ateneo and DLSU will soon adopt this type of learning.

What I think is more sad is that you think that La Salle and Ateneo haven't already been doing this.

If you are referring to requiring research theses for graduation, this has been the practice in some of Ateneo's science departments for more than a decade now. It's partly the reason why a lot of its students opt to move on to PhDs after they graduate.

In Ateneo's Physics and Chemistry programs, for instance, three semesters are dedicated to undergraduate research. I don't know the specifics in the other departments. In La Salle's Math, where a cousin of mine just finished, a year is also given for their research theses.

Pero hindi tamang basehan na sabihing board exam lang ang basehan ng galing ng 1 school.

I agree.

But it's entirely within their rights for UP and UST to proclaim that they're the best at producing board passers. It's the leap from this to being "number 1 school" that's an unwarranted extrapolation.

Excellence is a quality that has always stubbornly refused to be measured easily. Kaya nga on this matter, it seems more judicious kung hinay-hinay lang muna. We need to be smarter and more nuanced in determining what makes a school a great one.

protopss

Aug 5, 2008, 09:22 AM

Amen @physicist!

Kolmogorov

Aug 5, 2008, 09:54 AM

Just out of (genuine) curiosity, would you know how old UP's ECE dept is? Were there boards in place when it came to existence?

UP has no separate ECE dept. UP's Electrical Engineering Dept (now Electrical and Electronics Engineering Dept) has been around since 1910 but the first batch of ECE students (8 students, 7 guys and 1 female) graduated in 1998 and took the board exam that same year. :)

OT: Maybe individually, some of us may think that the board exam is not important, especially if we already got our jobs even before we took it (honestly speaking I took the exam para magkaroon ng "closure". For board takers out there I think you know what I mean).

But for school administrators, which I assume most of us are not part of, the exam passing rate is an IMPORTANT indicator of how strong their programs are. Kung pababa nang pababa ang passing rate nila, then maybe it's time for them to review the curriculum apart from other reasons (like changes in the field of study itself)

Dacs

Aug 5, 2008, 11:12 AM

I partly agree. Yes, boards are absolutely essential for the practice of medicine, nursing, etc. These are fields for which knowing how to do routine things well are absolutely crucial. Hence the mandate.

What I had in mind though are the more research-oriented and innovative fields, like engineering and the sciences. For these areas, where the challenge is in creatively facing new (non-routine) situations, board certification becomes less important. Repeating what I wrote in an earlier post, the real practice of engineering can be done without boards. This is evidenced by the legions of "uncertified" engineers (which actually include physicists and other scientists) who actively engage in research and often run the most influential high-tech companies in the world today.

As you can see, I am an absolute believer of "practice what you preach". But you shouldn't confuse exam-taking with the real practice of engineering.

Yes, I absolutely agree that "If you believe you have what it takes, then prove it." But again I believe the "proof" is in building and innovating, rather than in exam-taking.
I only said that with reference to the idea of some people don't see any reason on taking the boards.

From your handle, I can say that you're an MD. So you would know as well that being a licensed professional is more than having the right to legally practice our profession. The whole idea of the licensure examination is that only certified professionals are legally allowed to practice since they're accountable for everything that they do in line with their profession.

I've heard cases of people stripped off of their license since they violated the rules that govern their practice.

I haven't been in the US yet but AFAIK you need to obtain a state license to practice your field as far as engineering is concerned.
Yes, I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if there exists a correlation between topping the boards and making great contributions in the future. Doing well in an exam is really a function of hard work and perseverance more than anything else; and these are qualities that strongly predispose someone towards success.

But I believe in bestowing the deifying accolades after the great contributions are made, and not just after the exams. Ika nga, don't count the chicks before the eggs hatch.

Again, a healthy perspective is all I'm after.
I agree on that, but I guess that's another story. :)

Sobrang off topic na tayo ah hehehe

Come to think of it though, this issue has only been brought up since some quarters are claiming a certain school is being "the best" due to the board exam results.

In my opinion, while there's much more to "being the best" than the board results, it's quite an indication at least that a certain institution has a strong foundation for their graduates to excel in the board.

To close, when a certain individual excels in the field he/she's in, let's say 10, 20 or even 30 years after graduating, is it only fair to attribute his/her success from his/her school he/she graduated from?

I believe that while the institution has helped in the molding of that said individual, the majority of the credit goes to the person itself.

KuyaDanny

Aug 5, 2008, 12:06 PM

Dacs, I think physicist is not a physician. He might, in fact, be an expert in giving other people headaches.

physicist

Aug 5, 2008, 01:03 PM

Dacs, I think physicist is not a physician. He might, in fact, be an expert in giving other people headaches.

LOL. I do tend to have that effect on people, from my students to my professors, and even sometimes my very own research adviser. :)

At first I thought you were taking a jab at my extraordinarily long posts here... Oh wait... maybe it is! :) Sorry guys and gals.

Yes, I'm no physician. Though I sometimes wish I was one instead. :)

Dacs

Aug 5, 2008, 05:08 PM

I think the kimchi here in Seoul is starting having an effect on me :lol:

How on earth I read that as physician? Hehehe my apologies :)

galileo_

Aug 5, 2008, 07:01 PM

I think there's nothing wrong kung gagawing -R&D based and curriculum ng lahat ng eng'g at science schools sa Pilipinas. There are a lot of discussions/papers written in Managing R&D in universities sa internet. So sad, UP pa lang ang aktibong nag-eengage sa ganitong klase ng curriculum. Hopefully Ateneo and DLSU will soon adopt this type of learning.

Although syempre hindi pa rin dapat ma-sakripisyo ang resulta ng board exam passing rate kung mababago man ang curriculum ng bawat schools. Pride pa rin naman yun e. Pero hindi tamang basehan na sabihing board exam lang ang basehan ng galing ng 1 school. Yuck...

Don't be too presumptuous. The annual BPI-DOST Science Awards is one proof that major universities in the country are adopting a culture of research. These awards are given to undergraduate students from 10 universities (Ateneo de Davao, Ateneo de Manila, De La Salle University, Siliman University, St. Louis University, University of San Carlos, University of Santo Tomas, Xavier University, UP Diliman and UP Los Banos) who have excellent research projects in mathematics, physics, engineering, chemistry, biology, and computer science. So i guess it's not only UP which requires students to have research theses for graduation.

A university remains relevant as long as it fundamentally lives up to the mission-vision for which it was established.

The University of Santo Tomas envisions itself as a center of excellence in various programs of teaching, an acknowledged expert in key areas of research in the pure and applied sciences, a leader in community/extension services, and as the Center of Contextualized Theology in Asia. It also envisions for itself an extended physical presence beyond Manila, and a more functional networking mechanism with other universities/institutions.

Lady Chablis

Aug 6, 2008, 03:02 AM

Dacs, I think physicist is not a physician. He might, in fact, be an expert in giving other people headaches.

While we split hairs about board exams; he splits atoms for clues about the tiniest subatomaic particles. :lol:

Viva La Tigresa

Aug 6, 2008, 10:30 AM

OT:

Dacs, dyslexic ka na.

Dacs

Aug 6, 2008, 11:12 AM

OT:

Dacs, dyslexic ka na.
:lol: Na-aacquire ba yan?

OT mode lang ako, but ganito na ako since I was young. I tend to interpret a word for another, mostly spelling wise.

Baka nga hehehe

KuyaDanny

Aug 6, 2008, 01:12 PM

Kung ganon, baka magamot yan ng kimchi. Sige, bumanat ka na habang nandiyan ka sa Korea. Mag-aral ka na rin kung papaano gumawa ng kimchi para pag-uwi mo mag-oorder kami sa iyo. *okay*

work_place

Aug 6, 2008, 01:26 PM

Ano ba? Let's go back to the topic!
May Board Exam ba and Kimchi Making Course sa Korea?

KuyaDanny

Aug 6, 2008, 01:27 PM

Malay mo? Kayang-kaya ni Dacs yan kung gugustuhin niya.

S_C_U_D

Aug 6, 2008, 01:30 PM

Nasobrahan lang yan sa papak ng Korean Bug habang nanonood ng Koreanovela.

hunter_alchemst

Aug 6, 2008, 04:51 PM

Tsk Tsk Tsk. It's been almost two weeks since I created this thread, and voila! Look what it has become.

When I created this thread, my intention was simply to inform. I never said that the licensure examinations are the sole basis of a school's performance. Of course, you also have to take into consideratio its research outputs, students, faculty profile, and endowments.

Moreover, I already stated the overview and purpose of the study/statistics by directly quoting the book.

Anyway, it was a mistake when I said I'll be posting the results of the various licensure examinations. Beacuse if I did so, it's as if I typed the whole book. Hehe, that'll take me almost a day or two. What I'll be doing instead is post the summary of the performance of some schools in the various licensure examinations.

Dacs

Aug 6, 2008, 05:48 PM

Ano ba? Let's go back to the topic!
May Board Exam ba and Kimchi Making Course sa Korea?
Wala eh hehehe :lol:

Pero according to my fellow expat here, may licensure exam din itong mga Korean in engineering.

Confirm ko bukas.

And BTW, kung sa Pinas ay big deal ang "big 3", make or break dito yan. Mas matindi ang weight ng school reputation sa pagaplay.

Lady Chablis

Aug 6, 2008, 07:32 PM

I think the kimchi here in Seoul is starting having an effect on me :lol:

How on earth I read that as physician? Hehehe my apologies :)

Or it could be the Chung Ha. Cheers! :lol:

Hey, no need to apologize Dacs. That kind of slip could happen to anybody. That magical 7 is your lucky #.

hunter_alchemst

Aug 7, 2008, 07:58 PM

Methodology
Data Analysis

The Passing Percentage or Percentage Passed (%P) of a school in a specific Licensure Examination is classified as HIGH, LOW, or ZERO based on how far a particular %P deviates from the mean TOTAL %P of the category where the school belongs. A HIGH %P is equal to or greater than the mean TOTAL %P plus one standard deviation [%P > or = (Mean TOTAL %P + 1Sd)]. A low %P is equal to or less than the mean TOTAL% P minus one standard deviation [%P> or = (Mean TOTAL %P - 1Sd)]. A school with Zero %P is referred to as a ZERO PASSING RATE (ZPR) school or ZERO PERFORMER.

Summary Performance of Some Schools in the CY 2005 Licensure Examinations
*If you want to see the performance of your school that I did not include in the list, just say so. :)

SCHOOL--#of examinees--passers--Performance level--No. of exams
Adamson University--1063--358--34%--HIGH=2, AVE=10, LOW=2--14
Angeles University Foundation--725--393--54%--HIGH=3, AVE=7, LOW=1--11
Aquinas University--476--158--33%--AVE=7, ZERO=2--9
Ateneo De Davao University--849--525--62%--HIGH=6, AVE=6--12
Ateneo De Manila University--75--64--85%--HIGH=3--3
Ateneo De Naga--383--147--38%--HIGH=2, AVE=3--5
Ateneo De Zamboanga--407--242--59%--HIGH=3, AVE=2--5
Batangas State University--894--456--51%--HIGH=4, AVE=9, LOW=1--14
Cebu Doctor's College--523--420--80%--HIGH=4, AVE=4--8
Central Colleges of the Philippines--337--71--21%--AVE=9, LOW=1--10
Cental Mindanao University--473--239--51%--HIGH=3, AVE=7, ZERO=1--11
Cental Philippine University--1027--620--60%--HIGH=6, AVE=10--16
Centro Escolar University-Manila--2193--1063--48%--HIGH=3, AVE=7, LOW=1--11
De La Salle University-Dasmarinas--6--2--33%--AVE=2, ZERO=1--3
De La Salle University Dasmarinas Health Science Campus--751--439--58%--HIGH=3, AVE=3--6
De La Salle University-Manila--628--468--75%--HIGH=6, AVE=1--7
Emilio Aguinaldo College-Manila--1595--608--38%--HIGH=3, AVE=10, ZERO=2--15
Far Eastern University-Manila--1130--594--53%--HIGH=2, AVE=5, ZERO=2--9
FEU-NRM Foundation--765--525--69%--HIGH=1, AVE=3--4
Fatima Medical Science Foundation, Inc-Valenzuela--561--235--42%--HIGH=1, AVE=5, ZERO=4--10
Feati University--340--105--31%--HIGH=1, AVE=9, LOW=1, ZERO=1--12
Holy Angel University--570--256--45%--HIGH=1, AVE=7--8
Jose Rizal University--317--61--19%--AVE=3--3
Lyceum of the Philippines--230--60--26%--HIGH=2, AVE=4, ZERO=1--7
MAnila Central University--1150--500--43%--AVE=8, LOW=1--9
Manuel L. Quezon University--499--108--22%--AVe=6, LOW=3--9
Mapua Institute of Technology--2659--1156--43%--HIGH=2, AVE=10--12
Mindanao State University-Iligan Institute of Technology--632--360--57%--HIGH=8, AVE=3--11
Miriam College--166--109--66%--HIGH=2, AVE=3--5
National University--322--47--15%--HIGH=1, AVE=4, LOW=3, ZERO=4--12
New Era University--536--175--33%--HIGH=1, AVE=6--7
Northwestern University--568--221--39%--AVE=14, LOW=1, ZERO=2--17
Notre Dame University--652--232--36%--AVE=8, ZERO=1--9
Olivarez College--388--153--39%--AVE=6, LOW=1, ZERO=1--8
Our Lady of Fatima University-Valenzuela--1894--1041--55%--HIGH=3, AVE=7, LOW=2, ZERO=1--13
Pamantasan ng Araullo--885--126--14%--AVE=5, LOW=3, ZERO=2--10
Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila--1070--680--64%--HIGH=8, AVE=6--14
Philippine Christian University-Manila--313--101--32%--HIGH=1, AVE=5--6
Philippine Normal University-Manila--1176--928--79%--HIGH=2, AVE=1--3
Philippine Women's University-Manila--420--223--53%--HIGH=1, AVE=7, ZERO=1--9
Polytechnic University of the Philippines-Main--2477--997--40%--HIGH=2, AVE=7, LOW=1--10
Saint Louis University--2552--1668--65%--HIGH=9, AVE=8--17
San Beda College--258--152--59%--HIGH=1, AVE=1--2
Silliman University--537--353--66%--HIGH=7, AVE=5--12
Technological Institute of the Philippines-Manila--952--251--26%--AVE=7, LOW=2--9
TIP-QC--631--184--29%--AVE=7, LOW+2--9
TUP-MAnila--904--363--40%--HIGH=2, AVE=8--10
University of Asia and the Pacific-Pasig--11--11--100%--HIGH=1--1
University of Cebu--3126--1139--36%--HIGH=1, AVE=12--13
University of Makati--343--133--39%--HIGH=1, AVE=3--4
University of Manila--277--74--27%--AVE=5, ZERO=1--6
University of Perpetual Help Rizal-Las Pinas--758--272--36%--HIUGH=1, AVE=18, LOW=1, ZERO=2--22
University of Saint La Salle--852--482--57%--HIGH=3, AVE=3, ZERO=1--7
University of San Agustin--1222--708--58%--HIGH=2, AVE=11--12
University of San Carlos--1339--784--59%--HIGH=5, AVE=9, ZERO=1--15
University of San Jose-Recoletos--784--282--36%--HIGH=1, AVE=8--9
University of Santo Tomas--3028--2409--80%--HIGH=14, AVE=5--19
University of the East-Caloocan--604--180--30%--AVE=6--6
UE-Manila--683--305--45%--HIGH=3, AVE=4, ZERO=1--8
UE-RMMMC--558--373--67%--HIGH=2, AVE=1--3
University of the Philippines-Diliman--1066--986--92%--HIGH=15, AVE=5--20
UP-LB--623--569--91%--HIGH=10--10
UP-Manila--441--424--96%--HIGH=8, AVE=1--9
Xavier University (Ateneo De Cagayan)--525--366--70%--HIGH=7, AVE=4--11

*Those with highlight or in boldface are schools which have the best performance in the various licensure examinations.

Whew, kapagod itype ha, hehehe

physicist

Aug 7, 2008, 10:58 PM

Whew, kapagod itype ha, hehehe

I'm impressed. :) Thanks for posting the data. Looks like this is going to end up being an informative thread after all.

Ateneo De Manila University--75--64--85%--HIGH=3--3

So I guess this means that Ateneo is classified as a HIGH-performing school in all three of its board-exam-bound courses: Law, Chemistry and ECE.

It looks like "best performance" according to your boldfaced schools is defined to mean having the most "HIGH" classifications. It does not take into account passing percentages at all. In that case, its really no surprise that Ateneo will not be one of them.

Pardon me for the shameless paghinambug. But I'm glad to see that, even board-exam-wise, Ateneo excels in all the areas it chooses to focus on.

physicist

Aug 8, 2008, 12:32 AM

So hunter_alchemist has bold-faced some schools, so I figure that I should also make my own list.

Here I present what I consider schools with good board exam performances. My criteria is simple (albeit subjective of course): In at least half of in the board exams a school takes, it must be classified as excellent (or HIGH) by the PRC.

This way, we factor out the size advantage of schools, and look at how they do in their chosen specialties. While still imperfect of course, this makes it more about quality than quantity.

To understand the numbers, let me illustrate with a favorite example:

MSU – Iligan Institute of Technology 8/11--->72.73.

This simply means that of the 11 board exams MSU-IIT takes, it is deemed HIGH by the PRC in 8 of them. So, I would say that roughly 73 percent of its board exam performances are excellent.

Here are the rest of the good schools:

University of the Philippines - Los Banos 10/10 --->100
University of Asia and the Pacific 1/1--->100
Ateneo de Manila University 3/3--->100
University of the Philippines Manila 8/9--->88.89
De La Salle University – Manila 6/7--->85.71
University of the Philippines – Diliman 15/20--->75
University of Santo Tomas 14/19--->73.68
MSU – Iligan Institute of Technology 8/11--->72.73
UE-RMMMC 2/3--->66.67
Philippine Normal University 2/3--->66.67
Xavier University (Ateneo de Cagayan) 7/11--->63.64
Ateneo de Zamboanga University 3/5--->60
Silliman University 7/12--->58.33
Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila 8/14--->57.14
Saint Louis University 9/17--->52.94
Ateneo de Davao University 6/12--->50
San Beda College 1/2--->50
Cebu Doctor's College 4/8--->50
De La Salle University – HSC 3/6--->50

To avoid unnecessary violent reactions, let me emphasize again that this is not intended to be a ranking, but merely another way of looking at the numbers provided by hunter_alchemist.

If anything, my list should illustrate how sensitive any ranking is to the criteria one chooses, which in turn suggests that perhaps we shouldn't rank at all.

(I obviously have a lot of time in my hands! Sensya na, school break kasi eh.)

joshua3

Aug 8, 2008, 07:08 AM

Thanks for the data above hunter_alchemist!

Would you mind sharing the performance of the ff. good schools [not included in your list]:

Bicol University
Bulacan State University
Central Luzon State University
Manuel S. Enverga MUF
Mariano Marcos State University
St. Paul University-Dumaguete
St. Paul University-Iloilo
St. Paul University-Manila
Tarlac State University
TUP-Visayas [existing na ba to nung 2005?]
University of Bohol
University of the Cordilleras [Baguio Colleges Fdn]
University of Negros Occidental-Recoletos
West Visayas State University

Thanks much!

work_place

Aug 8, 2008, 08:14 AM

thanks for the details.

Congrats to the 3 UP campuses -M,D,LB for doing a great job in board exams.

Congrats to other schools also with 80% and up rating.

vennd

Aug 8, 2008, 08:56 AM

Thank so posting mo sa details ng statistics. Di ko alam ko paano nagawa yung ranking sa 1st page pero sa akin lang based sa information given above.

2 basis

1. % passing of all board takers.

di masyadong maganda ang basis na ito dahil

a. may mahirap ng board kaysa sa iba. % passing rate ay depended sa course.

example mas mataas ang passing rate average ng nursing kaysa sa cpa or law

b. pwedeng ang school ay yung inoffer nila ay yung mataas ang average passing rate

pero just the same base sa binigay na data ito ang top 10 sa total passing rate %.

SEQ SCHOOL TAKERS PASSERS %
1 UP MANILA 441 424 96.15%
2 UP DILIMAN 1066 986 92.50%
3 UP LB 623 569 91.33%
4 ATENEO DE MANILA 75 64 85.33%
5 CEBU DOCTORS 523 420 80.31%
6 UST 3028 2409 79.56%
7 PHIL NORMAL UNIVERSITY 1176 928 78.91%
8 DLSU MANILA 628 468 74.52%
9 XAVIER UNIVERISTY - CAGAYAN 525 366 69.71%
10 FEU 765 525 68.63%

Nagtataka lang ako sa ateneo dahil parang konti lang ang board takers considering na 3 ang alam kong may board exam sa kanila

1. Education
2. Chemistry
3. Law

Ang Ece bago lang kaya di kasama. parang ang konti di mga at least 100 lawyers per year tapos 5 years mga 500 sana baka di kasama ang law.

2. % of high performing course over total courses.

Let us say na 10 ang may board sa school A. Kung 10 rin ang high average di 100 % sila. Ibig sabihin ay sa lahat magaling sila.

Kung ang basis ay paramihan ng high performing di lamang ang UP at UST kasi ang daming nilang course na may board. Pero lahat ba eh high performing ?

Sa kabilang dako naman eh kung 2 lang ang may board exam tapos 2 ang ang high performing sa akin mas magaling yun kaysa yung paramihan. Lamang yung madaming board exam.

So kung ang basis na ang % ang high performing board exam sa dami ng may board exam eto ang ranking top 10.

SEQ SCHOOL HIGH TOTAL % HIGH TO TOTAL
1 UPLB 10 10 100.00%
2 ATENEO DE MANILA 3 3 100.00%
3 UP MANILA 8 9 88.89%
4 DLSU MANILA 6 7 85 .71%
5 UP DILIMAN 15 20 75.00%
6 UST 14 19 73.68%
7 MSU ILIGAN 8 11 72.73%
8 PHIL NORMAL UNIVERSITY 2 3 66.67%
9 FEU 2 3 66.67%
10 ATENEO ZAMBOANGA 3 5 60.00%

Bilib ako sa UPLB 10 ang board exam courses nila 10 ring ang high performing. Excellent school sa akin ito.

Ateneo ganoon din 3 ang may board 3 ang high performing so 100 % din. Pero parang di kasama ang law ??? baka ibang school campus kasi ?

Ang UST and UP Diliman parang pareho based dito 72.73 % vs 75 %. Ang dami kasi nilang may board exam eh.

Ang DLSU Manila naman ay 6 of 7 ang high performing so 85 %. Baka ang Civil Engineering ang hindi high performing kasi yun ay COD lang .
Ang alam ko eh

ECE
Civil
Mechanical Eng
Chemical Eng
Chemistry
CPA
Teacher

ang may board exam sa La Salle.

May may iba pang basis para irank ang schools pero based sa nakita ko sa taas yan ang pwedeng basis ng ranking pero di lang yan.

opinion ko lang

joshua3

Aug 8, 2008, 09:50 AM

vennd and physicist i agree with your rationale with regards to the data shown by hunter_alchemist.. those were the other ways of looking at the numbers.. nice!

clej

Aug 8, 2008, 09:22 PM

if these are PRC data then hindi nga kasama ang law. supreme court kasi ang nag--administer ng bar exams.

butch2koy

Aug 9, 2008, 02:02 AM

So hunter_alchemist has bold-faced some schools, so I figure that I should also make my own list.

Here I present what I consider schools with good board exam performances. My criteria is simple (albeit subjective of course): In at least half of in the board exams a school takes, it must be classified as excellent (or HIGH) by the PRC.

This way, we factor out the size advantage of schools, and look at how they do in their chosen specialties. While still imperfect of course, this makes it more about quality than quantity.

To understand the numbers, let me illustrate with a favorite example:

MSU – Iligan Institute of Technology 8/11--->72.73.

This simply means that of the 11 board exams MSU-IIT takes, it is deemed HIGH by the PRC in 8 of them. So, I would say that roughly 73 percent of its board exam performances are excellent.

Here are the rest of the good schools:

University of the Philippines - Los Banos 10/10 --->100
University of Asia and the Pacific 1/1--->100
Ateneo de Manila University 3/3--->100
University of the Philippines Manila 8/9--->88.89
De La Salle University – Manila 6/7--->85.71
University of the Philippines – Diliman 15/20--->75
University of Santo Tomas 14/19--->73.68
MSU – Iligan Institute of Technology 8/11--->72.73
UE-RMMMC 2/3--->66.67
Philippine Normal University 2/3--->66.67
Xavier University (Ateneo de Cagayan) 7/11--->63.64
Ateneo de Zamboanga University 3/5--->60
Silliman University 7/12--->58.33
Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila 8/14--->57.14
Saint Louis University 9/17--->52.94
Ateneo de Davao University 6/12--->50
San Beda College 1/2--->50
Cebu Doctor's College 4/8--->50
De La Salle University – HSC 3/6--->50

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University of the Philippines – Diliman 15/20--->75??? Impossible!

Hunter, I wonder how accurate these data are. I just cannot imagine that two other UP colleges outperformed Upd in this measure. Aside from the subject, Interior Design, which to my opinion should not require a board exam due to the very nature of the program that is subject to subjective measure, in what other courses where UPd did so poorly? There’s none really!

So, I think the data need to be verified first, even though I'm not a huge fan of this PRC rating.

MisterHappy

Aug 9, 2008, 02:20 AM

I'm impressed. :) Thanks for posting the data. Looks like this is going to end up being an informative thread after all.

Ateneo De Manila University--75--64--85%--HIGH=3--3

So I guess this means that Ateneo is classified as a HIGH-performing school in all three of its board-exam-bound courses: Law, Chemistry and ECE.

It looks like "best performance" according to your boldfaced schools is defined to mean having the most "HIGH" classifications. It does not take into account passing percentages at all. In that case, its really no surprise that Ateneo will not be one of them.

Pardon me for the shameless paghinambug. But I'm glad to see that, even board-exam-wise, Ateneo excels in all the areas it chooses to focus on.

It's like in the Olympics, a country with 3-0-0 will never top the medal tally if there's one country with 20-15-10 or another one with 4-20-50 (Just being timely in my example. :laugh: ).

Or in statistics, the effect will not be statistically significant if the sample is small (Ex. UA&P and Ateneo). Analogously, if a relation in question is "objectively" very large (i.e., in the population), then it can be found to be highly significant (Exs.: UP and UST).

hunter_alchemst

Aug 9, 2008, 01:29 PM

hunter_alchemst

Aug 9, 2008, 03:29 PM

As requested:

Bicol University-legazpi—1434—698—49%--HIGH=4, AVE=8, ZERO=1—13
Bulacan State University—1733—723—42%--HIGH=4, AVE=3--7
Central Luzon State University—769—411—53%--HIGH=3, AVE=6--9
Manuel S. Enverga UF-Lucena—598—174—29%--HIGH=1, AVE=10, LOW=1--12
Mariano Marcos State University-Batac—617—359—58%--HIGH=7, AVE=6--13
St. Paul College of Dumaguete—168—95—57%--HIGH=1, AVE=2--4
St. Paul University-Iloilo—155—139—90%--HIGH=2, AVE=1--3
St. Paul College of Manila—167—109—65%--HIGH=2, AVE=2--4
Tarlac State University—782—215—27%--HIGH=1, AVE=7--8
TUP-Visayas—124—101—81%--HIGH=2--2
University of Bohol—1427—318—22%--AVE=12, LOW=3, ZERO=1--16
University of the Cordilleras —797—356—45%--HIGH=3, AVE=4, ZERO=1--8
University of Negros Occidental-Recoletos—608—329—54%--HIGH=6, AVE=8--14
West Visayas State University-Calinog—1158—493—43%--AVE=11—11

(All the information presented herein are taken [B]verbatim from the book, 2005 Compilation of Statistics on the Performance of Schools in Various Licensure Examinations)

Foreword:
This Compilation of statistics was prepared by the educational Statistics Force (ESTF) - a joint undertaking of the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) and the Commission on Higher Education (CHED).

This material is for limited circulation only.

Overview:
For the past eight years, the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) through its Educational Statistics Task Force (ESTF) had been monitoring the performance of all schools that participated in the various licensure examinations. This mandate of PRC is now playing a crucial role in the improvement and upgrading of the educational system in the country. The data generated by the ESTF of the PRC are being used by legislators in the formulation of educational reforms and budgetary stipulations, especially among the state universities and colleges. The higher eduication institutions use these data for curriculum review and upgrading, training of faculty in determining their standing in the every licensure examination they have participated. The data also play a pivotal function in the career choices and decisions of future professionals who go for quality education.
(...)

ANALYSIS OF RESULTS
Approximately 1,254 CHED-recognized colleges and universities in the entire country participated in at least one of the licensure examinations in the year 2005. 360 or 29% are state colleges and universities, CHED-supervised institutions and local colleges; 894 or 71% are privately owned institutions.

Government versus private school performance. University of the Philippines-Diliman tops the list of High Performers from among all participating schools from all school types with 15 High Performances. University of Santo Tomas, a Private Sectarian school likewise remarkably performed with 14 High Performances from the 19 Licensure examinations the institution participated in.

Summary of school performance by profession. A total of 94, 830 out of 267, 731 examinees (35%) passed in 42 licensure examinations given over the period January to December 2005.

dirt_lap

Aug 9, 2008, 06:46 PM

this PRC rating thing is too subjective because not all schools take the same board exams. some take more, a lot take less. also, some only have around 1 or 2 of their alumni take the board exam making them have a higher rating over the others who have around 50+ board examinees.

so, it can never be a good measure of how good a university is.

zacharaiolsen

Aug 10, 2008, 10:04 PM

^ kaya nga po categorized ang board exams. ^

the schools with more examinees are categorized higher than the schools with lower number of examinees. example:

Category 1 (with more than 50 examinees)
school A: 96/100
school B: 80/100

Category 2 (less than 50)
school C: 14/15
school D: 3/3

i think dito lang may konting bias ang PRC, they based their rankings purely on passing percentages. can we say that 3/3 (100% passing rate) is better than 97/100 (97%)? obviously, the latter is way more productive. if it wants to have 100% passing rates, it can always take away the lesser competent students, but it chose not to. oh well, no other better and more objective basis, i guess.

another thing, a school doesnt get any rating for courses it doesnt offer. they only get rated for the board exams they participated.

Dacs

Aug 11, 2008, 07:43 AM

i think dito lang may konting bias ang PRC, they based their rankings purely on passing percentages. can we say that 3/3 (100% passing rate) is better than 97/100 (97%)? obviously, the latter is way more productive. if it wants to have 100% passing rates, it can always take away the lesser competent students, but it chose not to. oh well, no other better and more objective basis, i guess.
Isn't that the whole point of passing subjects to obtain a degree?

agat006

Aug 11, 2008, 12:14 PM

^ tama!!!! natawa talaga ako dito in response to the statement above. with respect to zacharaiolsen nagbigay naman siya ng qualifying statement, sinabi nya na ang 97/100 ay more productive compared to 3/3. "more productive" is different from "more competent" so i'd go with the "more competent".

S_C_U_D

Aug 11, 2008, 01:24 PM

Kolmogorov

Aug 11, 2008, 10:39 PM

if it wants to have 100% passing rates, it can always take away the lesser competent students, but it chose not to. oh well, no other better and more objective basis, i guess.

are you assuming that schools in general have the right to prevent some its graduates from taking the board exam to ensure a 100% passing rate?

zacharaiolsen

Aug 11, 2008, 11:32 PM

nah, "more productive" doesnt mean "less competent".

kung ang Benguet University ay naka 3/3 at ang Ateneo de davao ay naka 49/50, would you say the Igorots are more competent than the Davawenyos just because 100% passing sila? :bashful:

kung boards paguusapan, the basis for identifying the 'more productive' school is the number of passers it can produce. for the 'more competent', the basis would be the number of top-notchers and their respective ranks as well.

a school doesnt have the right to stop graduates from taking the boards, but it always can prevent. hinihirapan nila ng husto para ma screen talaga ang students hanggang ma-kick out yung iba, to ensure a high/100% passing rate. resulta? kakaunti lamang ang napo-produce na propesyonal ng eskuwelahang ito. not a bad idea though, para nga naman malinis ang pangalan hehe.

why would i go for the 'competent' or the 'productive' if there is a school that's 'competent AND productive'? *okay*

hirap sa inyo natatamaan kayo agad, wala na nga ko nilagay na school names ehehe. :bop:

butch2koy

Aug 12, 2008, 02:20 AM

Again, don't overinterpret data subjectively.
All the data I present here, including, that one at the 1st page came from the book 2005 Compilation of Stastistics(...) by the Educational Statistics Force, comprised of PRC and CHED.
Even the statement that UP and UST are the best in terms of these licensure examinations came from them.
ANd to that person questioning the validity of these data, I'll show you the book if you want. Though, bihira lang talaga ang may copy nito dahil limited circulation lang ito.
And, wag niyo po gawan ng sariling percentage ang mga licensure examinations na ito...it's more complex than that. Just because Ateneo did HIGH in three of its licensure examinatios means mas mataas pa ito sa UST.
UP participated in 20 examinations, did HIGH in its 15 exams and 5 AVE, while UST participted in 19 examinations, did HIGh in 14 of them and AVE in 5.
Galing na mismo sa book, UP and UST. End of story.
Don't overanalyze, meron na nga akong FACTS na binibigay.

Hunter, I wasn't questioning your motive for posting the data. In fact, I thought you have been helpful than damaging to these institutions that ranked very highly in the table. The Ateneans should be thankful for you too. They were the highest gainers in the list, something that I found surprising. My only hesitation for taking your data with full validity is when UP Diliman got 5 major academic fields a grade of “AVERAGE”. As a great institution that is UP Diliman, having 5 “average” academic programs in its status is just downright unacceptable. I was hoping you made a clerical error while you were typing the figures.

UP Diliman does not have a single academic field that deservedly rated a mere “AVERAGE”! Screw that PRC rating!

Dacs

Aug 12, 2008, 07:35 AM

I'd go with "more productive".

Nakakasiguro ba ako na yung 3 passers ay "more competent" compare to 97 passers?
Isn't that the purpose of the board exam in the first place? To weed out the competent from the pack?

letsrockandroll

Aug 12, 2008, 08:44 AM

pag board exams talaga its either UP or UST lang yan

its a trend :)

Kolmogorov

Aug 12, 2008, 10:26 AM

nah, "more productive" doesnt mean "less competent".

a school doesnt have the right to stop graduates from taking the boards, but it always can prevent. hinihirapan nila ng husto para ma screen talaga ang students hanggang ma-kick out yung iba,

parang yung "debar" :rotflmao:

Magandang idea ito. Everytime na bagsak yung grades mo sa kurso mo pwede mong sabihinh kasalanan ng teacher mo dahil ayaw ka lang nyang pakuhanin ng board exam!

I remember during the 90s na yung CEU sa Dentistry board eh halos 600+ yung takers end around 200 or less ang pumapasa.

Pwede naman kasi maging "productive" kahit mababa ang passing rate eh. :lol:

agat006

Aug 12, 2008, 10:45 AM

nah, "more productive" doesnt mean "less competent".

kung ang Benguet University ay naka 3/3 at ang Ateneo de davao ay naka 49/50, would you say the Igorots are more competent than the Davawenyos just because 100% passing sila? :bashful:
:

mangugulo lang ulit.. heheh..
we should not associate competency with ethnicity... parang lumalabas kasi we are doubting the capabilities of igorots.. and also we should not stereotype that if a school is in bengeut they are igorots and ateneo de davao they are davaenos.. with our hasty generalizations we show the capabilities of our thinking..

for the 'more competent', the basis would be the number of top-notchers and their respective ranks as well..

there are many schools that are producing topnothers but their school passing rate is below to average.. madami pa rin bumabagsak even though meron silang topnother.. so with your defenition of 'more competent', i am thinking otherwise.. magkakaiba lang tayo ng opinion and we should respect each others opinion for a peaceful coexistence...

a school doesnt have the right to stop graduates from taking the boards, but it always can prevent. hinihirapan nila ng husto para ma screen talaga ang students hanggang ma-kick out yung iba, to ensure a high/100% passing rate. resulta? kakaunti lamang ang napo-produce na propesyonal ng eskuwelahang ito. not a bad idea though, para nga naman malinis ang pangalan hehe.

hinihirapan yung subjects/course to screen out yung less competent students in terms of understanding concepts/theories... ganun lang kasimple yun.. they are not kicking out students just because they want a 100% passing rate nor they want a clean name (that is my experience in my school)... not everything is about board exam although a licensce will be a start for a good career.. peace sa lahat... *okay*

Dacs

Aug 12, 2008, 01:02 PM

So may mga eskwelahan pala na nagpapagraduate ng madami na hindi "nasasala" at bahala na si Batman kung sila ay papasang lahat sa board exam.

The more the merrier naman eh *okay*

Yun nga lang, kung gaano kadami ang pumasa, eh halos ganun din kadami ang bumagsak.

And that's the concept of "more productive" :bop:

dagitab24

Aug 12, 2008, 01:28 PM

Hunter, I wasn't questioning your motive for posting the data. In fact, I thought you have been helpful than damaging to these institutions that ranked very highly in the table. The Ateneans should be thankful for you too. They were the highest gainers in the list, something that I found surprising. My only hesitation for taking your data with full validity is when UP Diliman got 5 major academic fields a grade of “AVERAGE”. As a great institution that is UP Diliman, having 5 “average” academic programs in its status is just downright unacceptable. I was hoping you made a clerical error while you were typing the figures.

UP Diliman does not have a single academic field that deservedly rated a mere “AVERAGE”! Screw that PRC rating!

Sorry ka na lang. May data ang PRC. Ikaw? Opinion mo lang. Your bias is patently obvious. And between a PEx member and the whole of PRC, I'd take the latter any time.

Kung gusto mo, mag-picket ka sa harap ng PRC office. I believe it's in the Morayta area. Or halughugin mo ang board exam results sa mga diyaryo, then gumawa ka ng sarili mong rating system. Tapos ilagay mo rito ang "results" mo.

Dali.

Dacs

Aug 12, 2008, 04:19 PM

Actually curious din ako dun sa "average" na sinasabi ng PRC.

Has this been published? I mean the PRC data. Para pede nating ma scrutinize.

S_C_U_D

Aug 12, 2008, 08:47 PM

Isn't that the purpose of the board exam in the first place? To weed out the competent from the pack?

So anong kinalaman ng competency between 3/3 at 97/100.

Aba'y di ba sa ibang threads kayo na rin ang nagsasabi hindi makikita ang galing ng schools o ng estudyante sa resulta ng board exam, na hindi dapat maging basehan ang board exam, na ang board exam eh simula pa lang ng career, na ang questions sa board exam ay theoretical, na ang board exam ay mostly memorization.. at marami pang ibang kabalbalans and outrageous comments.

Ngayon naman babanat ka tungkol sa "weed out competent from the pack" blah, blah.

butch2koy

Aug 12, 2008, 08:55 PM

Sorry ka na lang. May data ang PRC. Ikaw? Opinion mo lang. Your bias is patently obvious. And between a PEx member and the whole of PRC, I'd take the latter any time.

Kung gusto mo, mag-picket ka sa harap ng PRC office. I believe it's in the Morayta area. Or halughugin mo ang board exam results sa mga diyaryo, then gumawa ka ng sarili mong rating system. Tapos ilagay mo rito ang "results" mo.

Dali.

LoL...

Why am I sorry? I was only hoping that Hunter could have done a clerical error since he could not produce the link to where the data are published. Have you seen them yourself?

I'm questioning the data because no one here actually thinks UP Diliman sucks in any particular academic field. Like I said, it's the best there is. How could it have 5 major academic fields with a grade of "AVERAGE" only?

If you're happy that Ateneo did so good in this table, I'm not surprised because I expected Ateneo de Manila to perform excellently on this one too. What I'm surprised is -- that UP Diliman was outperformed by any school, including Ateneo, when we all know that UP Diliman is the king of all kings when it comes to academic excellence.

Let's get real. No school in th country that is superior to UP Diliiman when it comes to academic quality. You of all the people should know that.

Pharmaboi

Aug 13, 2008, 08:00 AM

dagitab24

Aug 13, 2008, 05:15 PM

Dacs

Aug 13, 2008, 05:21 PM

So anong kinalaman ng competency between 3/3 at 97/100.

Aba'y di ba sa ibang threads kayo na rin ang nagsasabi hindi makikita ang galing ng schools o ng estudyante sa resulta ng board exam, na hindi dapat maging basehan ang board exam, na ang board exam eh simula pa lang ng career, na ang questions sa board exam ay theoretical, na ang board exam ay mostly memorization.. at marami pang ibang kabalbalans and outrageous comments.

Ngayon naman babanat ka tungkol sa "weed out competent from the pack" blah, blah.
Ang sinabi ko, as far as the laws that regulate our profession is concerned, the board exam screens the competent (by passing the board exam) from the rest.

And yes, I personally believe that the while board exam is one of the obstacles that an engineer should pass, this won't define your career as an engineer.

Sa mata ng batas, kapag pasado ka sa board exam, competent ka bilang isang inhinyero. Which is the sole purpose of regulating our profession.

May contradiction ba? Or are you just mixing up my statements?

And BTW, I only claim the first two points, the rest, I don't remember saying that.

Sige, what's the purpose of board exam for you?

vennd

Aug 13, 2008, 10:42 PM

LoL...

Why am I sorry? I was only hoping that Hunter could have done a clerical error since he could not produce the link to where the data are published. Have you seen them yourself?

I'm questioning the data because no one here actually thinks UP Diliman sucks in any particular academic field. Like I said, it's the best there is. How could it have 5 major academic fields with a grade of "AVERAGE" only?

If you're happy that Ateneo did so good in this table, I'm not surprised because I expected Ateneo de Manila to perform excellently on this one too. What I'm surprised is -- that UP Diliman was outperformed by any school, including Ateneo, when we all know that UP Diliman is the king of all kings when it comes to academic excellence.

Let's get real. No school in th country that is superior to UP Diliiman when it comes to academic quality. You of all the people should know that.

For UP Diliman.

Here are the courses that appear to be average. (appear to be average is the word I used) I dont have the data for the 5 years but I have the data for 2002 and 2003. Previously CHED had a link on the data (passing rates per course) but I can no longer find it. Good thing I saved it and maybe it might clear some of the concerns mentioned above.

1. Landscape Achitect - 8 of 17 pass in 2003 (47 %) - first time I have seen this course.

2. Interior Design - only 81 % and 74 % 2003 and 2002

3. Metallurgical Engineering - 25 of 30 in 2003 or 83 % only. Average passing is 78 %.

4. Architecture - 54 of 63 or 86 % (2003 only but I think the rates are about the same in 2004 and 2005.

This is just my take. No pun intended. For other schools these are still excellent passing rates but for UP (just me) it is low. Anything below 90 % is bad.

Again this is just base on data that I have. I cannot conclude with certainty but these courses appear to be 4 of 5 course that the compilation was pertaining to.

here is an example of the data that I saved. I choose randomly 4 courses. ECE, CPA and Medicine, Teacher examination (engineering, business, science, education)

for 2003. top 3 only

ECE 100 or more examinies
100 or more examinees (S= 22 schools)
1. NCR PS University of Santo Tomas 112 86 77% 5%HI
2. NCR PS De La Salle University - Manila 142 98 69% 10%HI
3. NCR GO Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila 118 78 66% 16%HI

10 to 99 examinees (S= 63 schools)
1. NCR GS University of the Philippines - Diliman 57 56 98% 2.5%HI
2. XII GS Mindanao State University - Iligan Institute of Technology 36 33 92% 2.5%HI
3. X GS Mindanao Polytechnic State College (DMMMPSC) 30 27 90% 2.5%HI

CPA BOARD EXAMINATION
100 or more examinees (S= 29 schools)
1. NCR GS University of the Philippines - Diliman 100 87 87% 2.5%HI
2. NCR PS De La Salle University - Manila 199 139 70% 2.5%HI
3. NCR PS University of Santo Tomas 302 189 63% 5%HI

10 to 99 examinees (S= 180 schools)
1. X PS Xavier University (Formerly Ateneo De Cagayan) 46 35 76% 2.5%HI
2. VI PS University of Saint La Salle 41 31 76% 2.5%HI
3. VII PS Silliman University 19 12 63% 2.5%HI

MEDICINE

100 or more examinees (S= 16 schools)
1. NCR GS University of the Philippines - Manila 157 151 96% 10%HI
2. NCR PS University of Santo Tomas 414 356 86% 16%HI
3. CAR PS Saint Louis University 120 90 75%

10 to 99 examinees (S= 15 schools)
1. VII PN Cebu Institute of Medicine 78 69 88% 5%HI
2. X PS Xavier University (Formerly Ateneo De Cagayan) 34 28 82% 10%HI
3. IX PS Ateneo De Zamboanga 10 7 70% 16%Llo

TEACHER (SECONDARY)
100 or more examinees (S= 205 schools)
1. NCR GS University of the Philippines - Diliman 219 214 98% 2.5%HI
2. NCR PS University of Santo Tomas 315 284 90% 2.5%HI
3. CAR PS Saint Louis University 321 272 85% 2.5%HI

OTHER SCHOOLS

NCR PS Ateneo De Manila University - Q.C. 38 38 100% 2.5%HI
NCR PS De La Salle University - Manila 71 67 94% 2.5%HI

joshua3

Aug 13, 2008, 11:30 PM

Actually curious din ako dun sa "average" na sinasabi ng PRC.

Has this been published? I mean the PRC data. Para pede nating ma scrutinize.

Ako din gusto kong malaman [both UP and UST].

Hunter thanks nga pala for granting my request! Mabuhay ka! *okay*

vennd

Aug 14, 2008, 01:44 AM

2003 data for UP by course

University of the Philippines - Diliman 4 4 100% Environmental Planners
University of the Philippines - Diliman 91 91 100% Geodetic Engineer
University of the Philippines - Diliman 18 18 100% Geologist
University of the Philippines - Diliman 57 57 100% Librarian
University of the Philippines - Diliman 18 18 100% Mechical Engineering
University of the Philippines - Diliman 5 5 100% Mining Engineering
University of the Philippines - Diliman 9 9 100% Electrial Engineering
University of the Philippines - Diliman 13 13 100% Social Worker
University of the Philippines - Diliman 58 58 100% Elementary Teachers
University of the Philippines - Diliman 60 59 98% Civil Eng
University of the Philippines - Diliman 57 56 98% ECE
University of the Philippines - Diliman 219 214 98% Secondary Teachers
University of the Philippines - Diliman 37 36 97% Nutrition
University of the Philippines - Diliman 45 42 93% Chemistry
University of the Philippines - Diliman 100 87 87% CPA
University of the Philippines - Diliman 63 54 86% Architecture
University of the Philippines - Diliman 88 74 84% CHE
University of the Philippines - Diliman 30 25 83% Metallurgical Engineering
University of the Philippines - Diliman 31 25 81% Interior Design
University of the Philippines - Diliman 17 8 47% Landscape Architect
Professional Electrical Engineer
Professional Mechanical Engineer
Custom Brokers

Based sa figures above. Oustanding passing rates. In some cases their rate is a cut above the rest. However, even the best school had some bad numbers. Sa akin lang anything below 90 % is not the UP that I expected it to be. (no bashing just my opinon). I undertand CPA board exam is below 90 % but they are still number 1. But for the other courses below 80 % baka masama lang ang taon na ito for those courses.

yurat

Aug 14, 2008, 11:23 AM

what a useless thread.... as usual bragging.. don't you people have something to do?

S_C_U_D

Aug 14, 2008, 12:26 PM

Ang sinabi ko, as far as the laws that regulate our profession is concerned, the board exam screens the competent (by passing the board exam) from the rest.

And yes, I personally believe that the while board exam is one of the obstacles that an engineer should pass, this won't define your career as an engineer.

Sa mata ng batas, kapag pasado ka sa board exam, competent ka bilang isang inhinyero. Which is the sole purpose of regulating our profession.

May contradiction ba? Or are you just mixing up my statements?

And BTW, I only claim the first two points, the rest, I don't remember saying that.

Sige, what's the purpose of board exam for you?

Duhhh.. Licensure?

karlroy3000

Aug 14, 2008, 04:23 PM

Duhhh.. Licensure?

That seems like a rather simplistic and myopic goal. That's the same as saying that the purpose of attending college is to graduate.

joshua3

Aug 14, 2008, 06:57 PM

That seems like a rather simplistic and myopic goal. That's the same as saying that the purpose of attending college is to graduate.

IMHO, it is not so. Why complicate things? Essentially [and obviously], the licensure is the main reason why graduates of professional courses take the board exams. Of course, individually, there are other [maybe deeper] reasons why they take the board. If you had your own, then why don't you share it with us. We'd be happy to know. :)

S_C_U_D

Aug 14, 2008, 08:47 PM

That seems like a rather simplistic and myopic goal. That's the same as saying that the purpose of attending college is to graduate.

Uy, naisip mo pa yan? Wala sa isip ko yan ah

hunter_alchemst

Aug 15, 2008, 11:47 AM

n3X

Aug 15, 2008, 03:20 PM

Performance of Schools in Specific Licensure Examinations (2005)

School/Institutional Name--Licensure Exam--#Examinees--#Passers--Percentage Passed

University of the Philippines-Diliman
Architects---54---44-----81%
CPA---------85---75-----89%
CheEngg----109--98-----90%
Chemists----50---49-----98%
CivEngg-----38---38-----100%
ECE---------43---39-----91%
Environmental Planners--10--8--80%
Geodetic Engg-103-101---98%
Geologists---27---26-----96%
Interior Designers-26-17--65%
Landscape Architects-26-11-42%
Librarians----46---43-----93%
MEngg-------38---38----100%
Metallurgical Engg-37-30-81%
MiningEngg---16---16----100%
Nutrition & Diet-33-33----100%
Registered EE--10--10----100%
Social Workers-29--29----100%
Educ-Elem-----52--52----100%
Educ-Secondary-235-229-97%

Sana po i-present in a time series. E 2005 pa to e.

fortherecord

Aug 15, 2008, 04:09 PM

:) Hope ipost yung 2000-2005 licensure performance ng mga top universities...the board exams that were taken by the alumni of these universities, the no. of examinees, the passing rates....:)

1958mb180d

Aug 16, 2008, 01:32 PM

it seems to me this thread is about why ust is not one of the big 3. i have nothing against ust but some posts hurt other schools without any basis at all

fortherecord

Aug 16, 2008, 07:55 PM

August 2008 Veterinarian Licensure Examination (Top performing schools):

1.UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES – LOS BAÑOS
66/49 = 74.00%
2. UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MINDANAO – KABACAN
30/21= 70.00%

July 2008 Nutritionist-Dietitian Licensure Examination

1.UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES-LOS BAÑOS
64/64= 100.00%
UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES-DILIMAN
17/17= 100.00%
CENTRAL MINDANAO UNIVERSITY
13/13= 100.00%
2. UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
49/46= 94.00%
3. CENTRO ESCOLAR UNIVERSITY - MANILA
11/8= 73.00%

July 2008 Physical Therapist Licensure Examination
A. WITH MORE THAN 50 EXAMINEES
1. UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
53/ 52= 98.00%
2. DE LA SALLE UNIVERSITY - DASMARIÑAS HEALTH SCIENCE CAMPUS
65/ 52= 80.00%

B. WITH 10 TO 50 EXAMINEES
1. UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - MANILA
20/20= 100.00

July 2008 Occupational Therapist Licensure Examination
1. UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
31/26= 84.00%
2.UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - MANILA
25/18= 72.00%

June 2008 Nurse Licensure Examination
A. WITH 100 AND MORE EXAMINEES
1.TRINITY UNIVERSITY OF ASIA (TRINITY-Q.C.)
339/338= 99.00%
UNIVERSITY OF THE EAST RAMON MAGSAYSAY MEM. MEDICAL CTR.
271/269= 99.00%
2.UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
466/458= 98.00%
SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY
418/409= 98.00 %
CEBU NORMAL UNIVERSITY (CEBU STATE COLLEGE)
203/ 199= 98.00%
CHINESE GENERAL HOSPITAL COLLEGE OF NURSING & LIBERAL ARTS
176/173= 98.00%
WEST VISAYAS STATE UNIVERSITY – LA PAZ
169/166= 98.00%

B. WITH 30-99 EXAMINEES
1. SAINT PAUL UNIVERSITY – ILOILO
86/86= 100.00%
UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - MANILA
73/73= 100.00%
UNIVERSITY OF SAN JOSE - RECOLETOS
46/ 46= 100.00%
P.C.U.–MARY JOHNSTON COLLEGE OF NURSING
36/36= 100.00%

June 2008 Architect Licensure Examination
1. UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
166/113= 68.00%
2. UNIVERSITY OF SAN CARLOS
52/28= 54.00%

July 2008 Agriculturist Licensure Examination
1. UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES – LOS BAÑOS
106/104= 98.00%
2. CENTRAL LUZON STATE UNIVERSITY
103/54= 52.00%
3. CENTRAL MINDANAO UNIVERSITY
157/64= 41.00%

July 2008 Forester Licensure Examination
1. UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES-LOS BANOS
59/61= 97%

June 2008 Pharmacist Licensure Examination
A. WITH 10-25 EXAMINEES

1. UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - MANILA
25/ 25= 100.00%
2. OUR LADY OF FATIMA UNIVERSITY - VALENZUELA
22/22= 100.00%
3. CENTRO ESCOLAR UNIVERSITY - MALOLOS
21/18= 86.00%

C. WITH 51-OR MORE EXAMINEES
1. UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
267/222= 83.00%

June 2008 Social Worker Licensure Examination
1. Leyte Normal University
17/17= 100.00%
University of the Philippines - Diliman
15/15= 100.00%

June 2008 Dentist Licensure Examination

B. WITH 26-99 EXAMINEES

1.University of the East - Manila
67/62= 93.00%

C. WITH 5-25 EXAMINEES
1. University of the Philippines - Manila
22/ 22= 100.00%
2. University of Baguio
19/ 18= 95.00%

May 2008 Certified Public Accountant Licensure Examination
B. WITH 51-99 EXAMINEES
1.De La Salle University - Manila
96/76= 79.00%
2. University of Santo Tomas
52/36= 69.00%
3. University of San Carlos
74/ 34= 46.00%

D. WITH 10-25 EXAMINEES
1.University of the Philippines - Diliman
16/15= 94.00%
2. University of the Philippines - Iloilo
21/ 17= 81.00%
3. Batangas State University
15/ 9= 60.00%

May 2008 Civil Engineer Licensure Examination
1.University of the Philippines - Diliman
38/37= 97.00%
2. Technological University of the Philippines - Manila
11/10= 91.00%
3.University of Santo Tomas
39/32= 82.00%

May 2008 R.E.E. Licensure Examination
A. WITH 10-25 EXAMINEES
1. University of Batangas
13/ 11= 85.00%

April 2008 Licensure Examination for Teachers
Elementary level
Category A: With 10-99 examinees
1. Mindanao State University-Iligan Institute of Technology
13/13 passed= 100.00%
2. University of the Philippines-Diliman
14/14= 93.00%
3. Saint Louis University
13/12= 92.00%.

Secondary level

Category A: With 10-99 examinees
1. De La Salle University-Manila
14/14= 100.00%
University of the Philippines-Baguio City
10/10= 100.00%
University of the Philippines-Los Baños
16/16=m100.00%

2. University of Santo Tomas
39/41= 95.00%
University of the Philippines-Diliman
38/40= 95.00%

3. University of the Philippines-VisayasCebu City,
15/14= 93.00%.

April 2008 Chemical Engineer Licensure Examination
1. University of the Philippines - Diliman
11/8= 73.00%
2. De La Salle University - Manila
17/12= 71.00%
3. University of the Philippines – Los Baños
19/12= 63.00%

University of Santo Tomas
25/11=44%

February 2008 Physical Therapy Examination

1)CEBU DOCTOR'S UNIVERSITY
12/10 -83%
2)CITY COLLEGE OF MANILA
10/7 - 70%

February 2008 Occupational Therapy Examination

1)UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES(MANILA)
8/7 - 88%
2)UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
7/6 - 86%

January 2008 Architecture Licensure Exam Results
1. UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES(DILIMAN)
12/11= 92%
2. UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS
63/35= 56%

January 2008 Pharmacist Licensure Examination
B. With 26-50 examinees
1. University of the Philippines-Manila
26/26= 100.00%
2. University of Santo Tomas
47/39= 83.00%.

light-emitting

Aug 17, 2008, 11:42 AM

Bakit ganoon? Pag umaayon sa opinion niyo, shut up na kayo? Pero pag hindi, tuluy-tuloy pa rin yung paghahanap niyo? :bop:

Warwick Leyte

Aug 19, 2008, 01:24 AM

Haiz, tut tut tut. Minsan talga may mga taong...

Here I am again, presenting FACTS instead of just baseless, subjective, and self-centered comments/posts.

Performance of Schools in Specific Licensure Examinations (2005)

School/Institutional Name--Licensure Exam--#Examinees--#Passers--Percentage Passed

University of the Philippines-Diliman
Architects---54---44-----81%
CPA---------85---75-----89%
CheEngg----109--98-----90%
Chemists----50---49-----98%
CivEngg-----38---38-----100%
ECE---------43---39-----91%
Environmental Planners--10--8--80%
Geodetic Engg-103-101---98%
Geologists---27---26-----96%
Interior Designers-26-17--65%
Landscape Architects-26-11-42%
Librarians----46---43-----93%
MEngg-------38---38----100%
Metallurgical Engg-37-30-81%
MiningEngg---16---16----100%
Nutrition & Diet-33-33----100%
Registered EE--10--10----100%
Social Workers-29--29----100%
Educ-Elem-----52--52----100%
Educ-Secondary-235-229-97%

Need I say <post> more? Gusto yata talaga ipakita ko pa ang book eh.

The data you presented would show us that there are only 2 programs at UP Diliman where the standard performance was not as astounding as all the rest of the subjects. (They appear in bold letters above.)

My question now is: how would a university get a grade of HIGH or an AVERAGE? I guess that’s the most confusing part. There was no explanation on how the grades were derived at.

Ateneo's ECE does not perform as remarkable as expected for a series of years before this year. I remember it has a passing rate below 75% yet it received a grade of “HIGH”. What's up with that?

physicist

Aug 19, 2008, 12:54 PM

The data you presented would show us that there are only 2 programs at UP Diliman where the standard performance was not as astounding as all the rest of the subjects. (They appear in bold letters above.)

My question now is: how would a university get a grade of HIGH or an AVERAGE? I guess that’s the most confusing part. There was no explanation on how the grades were derived at.

Ateneo's ECE does not perform as remarkable as expected for a series of years before this year. I remember it has a passing rate below 75% yet it received a grade of “HIGH”. What's up with that?

To spare yourself the embarrassment next time, look before you leap. You otherwise appear to be either incredibly makulit or incredibly silly.

Hunter_alchemist has already presented the information you want in a previous post.

For your benefit though here it is again:

The Passing Percentage or Percentage Passed (%P) of a school in a specific Licensure Examination is classified as HIGH, LOW, or ZERO based on how far a particular %P deviates from the mean TOTAL %P of the category where the school belongs. A HIGH %P is equal to or greater than the mean TOTAL %P plus one standard deviation [%P > or = (Mean TOTAL %P + 1Sd)]. A low %P is equal to or less than the mean TOTAL% P minus one standard deviation [%P> or = (Mean TOTAL %P - 1Sd)]. A school with Zero %P is referred to as a ZERO PASSING RATE (ZPR) school or ZERO PERFORMER.

"AVERAGE" would therefore mean that the school's passing percentage falls within +/- 1 standard deviation of the national passing percentage.

Hence, classifying Ateneo ECE's 75% (according to you) "HIGH" isn't as incredulous as you make it sound. That can happen if the national passing percentage is just really low for ECE. The same logic may be at work in classifying some of UP's 80%+ marks as merely "AVERAGE". That would just mean that the national passing average in those areas was also close to 80%.

Of course, you're free to disagree with the arbitrary choice of one standard deviation. (I'd be disappointed otherwise. :)) But the classification couldn't be clearer than what pareng hunter has already written.

If you want me to simplify that even further for you though, just let me know. I'd be happy to oblige.

Warwick Leyte

Aug 23, 2008, 02:56 AM

^ You've got to be kidding me.

5 lowest programs based on PRC Passing Rate at UPd:
Interior Designers-26-17--65%
Landscape Architects-26-11-42%
Architects---54---44-----81%
Environmental Planners--10--8--80%
Metallurgical Engg-37-30-81%

The national passing percentage for these programs is not even 40%. At one time, Ateneo's ECE had a passing percentage of below 50%. At another time, it had a little over 50%. But the national passing rate for ECE is around 40%. Based on the given formula, Ateneo's ECE shouldn't be a "HIGH". But I'll check on that next time.

physicist

Aug 28, 2008, 04:19 AM

^ You've got to be kidding me.

I'm not.

The national passing percentage for these programs is not even 40%. At one time, Ateneo's ECE had a passing percentage of below 50%. At another time, it had a little over 50%. But the national passing rate for ECE is around 40%.

I do not know where you get all of this.

Ateneo's first ECE batch took its board exams in 2007 (or thereabouts). I taught them physics when they were just freshmen. Prior to their year, there may have been Ateneans taking ECE board as Physics-CE and Chem-CE majors.

For that 2007 batch, the Ateneo passing average was 62%, while the national average was 30%. (I know there is a second exam, but I don't think it's results are entirely different from this). 62% isn't a number I'm particularly proud of, but I'm glad it's not as bad as you make it sound.

http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/oca1cg

My point is not to extol the virtues of Ateneo's program (I think it hasn't lived up to its full potential), but to explain that your doubt-planting in this thread is really unwarranted.

Based on the given formula, Ateneo's ECE shouldn't be a "HIGH".

First of all, do you know what a standard deviation is?

If you do, go ahead and show me your calculation.

But I'll check on that next time.

Please do that.

KuyaDanny

Aug 28, 2008, 08:16 PM

Apparently, being a deviant is standard for some people.

vennd

Aug 28, 2008, 09:17 PM

I'm not.

I do not know where you get all of this.

Ateneo's first ECE batch took its board exams in 2007 (or thereabouts). I taught them physics when they were just freshmen. Prior to their year, there may have been Ateneans taking ECE board as Physics-CE and Chem-CE majors.

For that 2007 batch, the Ateneo passing average was 62%, while the national average was 30%. (I know there is a second exam, but I don't think it's results are entirely different from this). 62% isn't a number I'm particularly proud of, but I'm glad it's not as bad as you make it sound.

http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/oca1cg

My point is not to extol the virtues of Ateneo's program (I think it hasn't lived up to its full potential), but to explain that your doubt-planting in this thread is really unwarranted.

First of all, do you know what a standard deviation is?

If you do, go ahead and show me your calculation.

Please do that.

I do not think that Ateneo's ECE program is part of the 2000 to 2005 compilation. The first batch of graduates if I am not mistaken was 2005. They had 2 board topnotchers got a good passing rate over 80 %. 2006 was dismal year Ateneo had a passing rate of below 50 % only. There was a discussion about it a few years back (what happened in 2006) here in pex too. 2007 was 62 %. Ateneo's ECE program is very new.

cretinous00

Aug 29, 2008, 07:41 AM

i remember ADMU's performances in ECE boards. their best performance was during their first wherein they managed a 90% passing rate. but some of their subsequent performances were dismal. in two boards, they scored only around 56%. and whereas their worst performance is still above the national passing average, i wouldn't be proud of it and i'm sure neither would they.

so to silence warwick, ADMU's ECE would rate average at the least. but i agree with him that no one in his right mind would believe such a spotty record deserves a 'high' rating. heck, a program that young shouldn't be rated yet. that's my opinion.

physicist

Aug 29, 2008, 12:30 PM

so to silence warwick, ADMU's ECE would rate average at the least. but i agree with him that no one in his right mind would believe such a spotty record deserves a 'high' rating. heck, a program that young shouldn't be rated yet. that's my opinion.

And to a certain extent I share that opinion. But the point of my replies was to explain why -- despite our belief in the contrary -- this young ECE program still got a "HIGH" rating according to the set criteria.

Of course now I realize (courtesy of vennd) that the easier explanation may be that Ateneo's ECE performance just wasn't included in the compilation. Mr. Ockham, where's your razor? ;)

huntfan

Aug 29, 2008, 01:09 PM

Ateneo's first batch of ECE graduates started taking the ECE Board Exam on November 2003, passing rate was 71% (10/14).

Eto Ateneo passing rate after that:

April 2004 : I have no data. :D
Nov 2004 : 90% (18/20)
April 2005 : No examinees from Ateneo de Manila
Nov 2005 : 57% (12/21)
April 2006 : 50% (3/6)
Nov 2006 : 57% (25/44)
April 2007 : 88% (7/8)
Nov 2007 : 59% (16/27)
April 2008 : I have no data (hope some good PEXer will provide the data) :D

fossilFuel

Aug 29, 2008, 05:23 PM

Practical parents will send their kids to a reputable school whose records are beyond just mere hearsay and whose records are supported by facts.

mahirap ang buhay ngayon, kailangan marunong ng tamang diskarte.
hindi ako magbabayad ng triple para lang maging 'in' ang anak ko at mag cheer sa basketball team nila sa araneta tapos ang passing percentage sa board eh 60% consistent? high nga.

dirt_lap

Aug 30, 2008, 03:51 AM

cretinous00

Aug 30, 2008, 03:07 PM

lol..ang konti-konti na nga ng nag-te-take ng ECE board exam from Ateneo, di pa makakuha ng magandang passing rate. :rolleyes:

only an idiot would say something like this.

1958mb180d

Aug 31, 2008, 11:38 AM

only an idiot would say something like this.

it's true. if there is only a handful of takers,you would expect them to do very well. with those low percentages, we may say they're not even at par with mediocres

Kolmogorov

Aug 31, 2008, 03:06 PM

See, having less than 100 or 50 examinees is NOT a guarantee that you'll get a HIGH passing rate by DEFAULT

Chicxulub

Sep 8, 2008, 12:59 AM

tolits

Sep 8, 2008, 08:08 AM

UST is best-performing private universityBy Andrewly A. Agaton and Prinz P. Magtulis

WITH AGE comes wisdom – and a good academic reputation.

But aside from the the 100-year-old University of the Philippines and the 397-year-old University of Sto. Tomas which have consistently stamped their class as the top two higher education institutions in the country with a rich history of academic excellence, there are also other universities in the far off provinces that deserve a second look as far as performing well in various licensure exams is concerned.

Statistics from Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) in 2005 showed that Mariano Marcos State University in Batac, Ilocos Norte was the leading school in Region I, acing seven of 13 licensure exams, the highest of which was the 89-percent passing rate in Electrical Engineering. In all, it registered an average passing rate of 58 percent in 13 examinations that it participated in.

Mindanao State University (MSU)-Iligan Institute of Technology, MSU-General Santos, Bicol University-Legazpi, and MSU-Marawi followed suit with 57, 52, 49, and 47 percent overall passing rates.

Among private institutions, Xavier University in Cagayan de Oro, followed UST, with a batting average of 70 percent in 11 licensure exams. Its board exam result for agricultural engineers was the highest at 86 percent.

The other private universities that registered good ratings were Silliman University, Saint Louis University, Ateneo de Davao University, and Central Philippine University, which had an average passing rate of 66, 65, 62, and 60 percent, respectively.

The common denominator is that these schools have a long tradition of research, faculty development, and educational, rather than commercial pursuits.

Government versus private

The PRC acknowledged UST as the top performer among private schools nationwide, tallying an 80-percent overall passing average and recording 14 high passing rates in 19 licensure exams.

However, UST’s passing rate fell a few notches short to that of state-run UP, with passing rates from eight campuses delivering an 85.3-percent overall passing rate, enough to be hailed as the best performing higher education institution in the country.

Three UP campuses – in Diliman, Los Baños, and in Manila – were also named by PRC as the top three government schools in terms of performance in board exams. The three all posted perfect scores on a number of licensure examinations.

UP students produce good results in licensure examinations because of the demanding academic requirements of the university, UP-Diliman Registrar Pamela Constantino said.

“Because of the usual students’ strenuous academic life in here, they are already being trained to be hardworking people,” Constantino said.

The former Commission on Higher Education (Ched) chairman, UST Rector Fr. Rolando de la Rosa, O.P., noted that the University has maintained its high stature considering the large number of UST examinees every year.

“Usually, UST is the highest in the rank of 100 and above examinees,” De la Rosa said. “For instance, medicine performs well because there are almost 500 examinees and most of them pass.”

In 2005, 456 Thomasians took the licensure examination for physicians and 384 passed, leaving UST with a passing rate of 84 percent. The University also produced 386 professional nurses out of the 411 examinees, with a 94 percent passing rate in the same year.

UST produced a total of 2,409 new professionals that same year, much higher than the 1,979 professionals coming from the three leading UP campuses.

For the first three months of academic year 2008-2009, UST has already produced five top notchers in different licensure exams.

Figures from the PRC showed UST topping board exams in architecture, physical therapy, occupational therapy, nursing, and pharmacy with 68, 98, 84, 98, and 83 percent passing rates, respectively.

But despite the remarkable performance of Thomasians in the board exams, Vice-Rector for Academic Affairs Clarita Carillo believes “dominating” the exams is not enough.

“We are performing well, but we can always do better,” Carillo told the Varsitarian.

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tolits

Sep 8, 2008, 08:12 AM

UST rules boards anew
By DANIELLE CLARA P. DANDAN and PRINZ P. MAGTULIS

AGAIN, the results have spoken.

UST continues to underscore its billing as the top private academic institution in the country, producing three more topnotchers in the July 2008 Nutrition-Dietetics, Occupational Therapy and Physical Therapy licensure examinations.

Thomasians Frederich Christian Tan, Kristel Anne Ayroso, and Kriszel Gatdula topped the Nutrition-Dietetics, Occupational Therapy, and Physical Therapy exams, respectively.

Tan led five Thomasians in the top ten of the Nutrition-Dietetics exam with a score of 85.10 percent.

UST chalked up a 94-percent passing rate as 46 out of 49 Thomasian examinees passed, reaffirming the College of Education’s new status as a Center of Excellence. The national passing rate was 52 percent with only 273 out of 523 takers passing the exams.

Thomasians Enrico Cembrano (84.65), Manelie Cruz (84.10), Venus Laforteza (83.40), and Leah Espiritu (83.30) occupied the third, fourth, fifth, and seventh places, respectively.

Meanwhile, Ayroso led 25 other Thomasians in the Occupational Therapy board exams, grabbing the first spot with an 81.60-percent average.

Eight other Thomasians entered the top ten roster, which UST shared with four University of the Philippines (UP)-Manila graduates.

Juan Vicente Manuel Goncero (80.80), Aira Alondra Uy (80.40), and Jan Ryan Yee (80.20) placed second, third, and fourth, respectively. Quennie Monzon (79.40) landed at sixth place.

Jaymee Antollena Flores (79.00) tied with Anne Loreinne Daulat of UP-Manila at eight place, while Katherine Grace Reyes (78.80) took the ninth spot.

Thomasians Mizzie Mae De Vera and Dahlia Lumawig both earned 78.60 percent to round up the top ten list.

In the Physical Therapy licensure exams, Gatdula finished first with an 85.40-percent rating. She shared the top spot with Bernadette Cid of UP-Manila.

Jocelyn Sheila Gajudo and Michael Caezar Ong posted an 84.70-percent mark each to tie for fourth place.

Kris Bernadette Alcedo (83.95), clinched the sixth place with Juan Carlos Rodriguez of San Juan de Dios Educational Foundation, Inc.

Martha Louise Alleje (83.75) grabbed the eight spot. Gary Martin Abano and Maria Michaela Valenzuela placed ninth with identical 83.50-percent ratings.

UST was hailed as the top performing school with more than 50 examinees in the Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy board exams with ten or more examinees. The passing rates were 98 and 84 percent for Physical and Occupational Therapy, respectively. The 48 percent national passing rate was the combined results of the Physical and Occupational Therapy board exams where 439 of 909 examinees passed both tests.

Dean Jocelyn Agcaoili of the College of Rehabilitation Sciences expressed satisfaction with the performance of Thomasians in the board exams, but regretted that not all graduates passed the exams.

“I am always hoping that more than dominating the top ten, (our college would aim for) a 100 percent passing rate (in both exams),” Agcaoili told the Varsitarian.

Of the 53 Thomasians who took the Physical Therapist board exam, only one failed to pass. Five of the 31 Occupational Therapy board exam-takers also did not make it.

Six bests

Six Thomasians filled most of the slots in the top ten of the August Physician licensure exams.

Gentry George King led the 245 new Thomasian doctors, finishing third along with UP-Manila’s Janice Jill Lao at 87.42 percent.

UST graduate Paolo Villanueva and Nemencio Ronquillo Jr. of UP-Manila tied for fourth place with an 87.17 grade.

Allan Louie Cruz (86.92), Philip Antiporta (86.58), and Ma. Cristina Briones (86.42) placed fifth, sixth, and seventh, respectively, while Grace Ann Nicolas placed tenth with 86 percent average.

Marlon Garcia of the Far Eastern University-Nicanor Reyes Medical Foundation topped the physicians exam, registering a 88.75-percent mark.

UST was named the second top performing school with 100 or more examinees, notching an average of 95 percent, next to UP-Manila’s 98 percent.

Fourteen out of 256 Thomasian examinees failed the test.

The national passing rate was only 60 percent as 1,513 of 2,506 passed the exams.

credgerey

Sep 12, 2008, 11:12 AM

Bicol University-legazpi—1434—698—49%--HIGH=4, AVE=8, ZERO=1—13
Bulacan State University—1733—723—42%--HIGH=4, AVE=3--7
Central Luzon State University—769—411—53%--HIGH=3, AVE=6--9
Manuel S. Enverga UF-Lucena—598—174—29%--HIGH=1, AVE=10, LOW=1--12
Mariano Marcos State University-Batac—617—359—58%--HIGH=7, AVE=6--13
St. Paul College of Dumaguete—168—95—57%--HIGH=1, AVE=2--4
St. Paul University-Iloilo—155—139—90%--HIGH=2, AVE=1--3
St. Paul College of Manila—167—109—65%--HIGH=2, AVE=2--4
Tarlac State University—782—215—27%--HIGH=1, AVE=7--8
TUP-Visayas—124—101—81%--HIGH=2--2
University of Bohol—1427—318—22%--AVE=12, LOW=3, ZERO=1--16
University of the Cordilleras —797—356—45%--HIGH=3, AVE=4, ZERO=1--8
University of Negros Occidental-Recoletos—608—329—54%--HIGH=6, AVE=8--14
[B]West Visayas State University-Calinog—1158—493—43%--AVE=11—11

(All the information presented herein are taken verbatim from the book, 2005 Compilation of Statistics on the Performance of Schools in Various Licensure Examinations)

West Visayas State university has several campuses integrated through the Higher Education Modernization Act.. I presume it was the Data of West Visayas State University-La Paz(Iloilo City) that is being asked..can u post the data of West Visayas S.U. here..Thanks..

crab_killer

Oct 19, 2008, 06:38 AM

hmm...interesting. How about the other Ateneo schools? and La Salle schools? Are they faring as good as DLSU-M and ADMU?

senyowrita

Oct 22, 2008, 01:25 PM

:rolleyes:

pjayhahaha

Oct 22, 2008, 08:02 PM

la kwentang thread .. magaral nalang ! kaysa magpayabangan ng mga school

samsungcold

Oct 23, 2008, 07:44 AM

samsungcold

Oct 23, 2008, 07:50 AM

you are definitely wrong.

In our college, (AB) they are a lot rich elite, students came from prestigious high school institutions such as De La Salle and Ateneo HS. In fact, majority of them owns a car and some of them (emphasis on the some) passed the DLSUCET and ACET. In fact, the reason behind this was due to the fact that their parents are considered to be UST alumni/alumnus who happens to be proud thomasians in the first place. although, we cannot neglect the fact that some people tends to either see or overview: UP Ateneo and La Salle as the so called “big three” because they have the tendency to attract elite people.

Just my two cents.:)

UP, ADMU and DLSU is not just about attracting students. ADMU and DLSU respectively do not want to engage with courses like dietetics, med tech,nursing, etc.

Like if they have them, chances are they`d be close to UP`s performance.

paenggoy

Oct 23, 2008, 04:39 PM

One of the other Ateneos has a nursing school.

In terms of performance, the best way to test for that is to give tougher international exams, like those given for doctors, etc. From what I know, most Filipino students don't do very well in them.

cretinous00

Oct 24, 2008, 07:27 AM

if not because of Nursing, most schools would not even get a high rank in the category.

UP-no questions! Just imagine DLSU-M and ADMU having a nursing program, then u could expect 90-100% passing rate that will lead them close to UP.
well that's good to know, since ateneo's ECE passing rate could go as 'high' as 57%, compared with UP's accustomed 100%. pathetic greamer.

joshua3

Oct 24, 2008, 10:26 PM

UP, ADMU and DLSU is not just about attracting students. ADMU and DLSU respectively do not want to engage with courses like dietetics, med tech,nursing, etc.

Like if they have them, chances are they`d be close to UP`s performance.

that's funny hehe... dapat sa mga existing professional courses na parehong meron ang DLSU at UP ay makikita na ang kini-claim mo.. fort example, sa accounting nga lang di makadikit ang DLSU sa UP. pareho lang sa USTe passing rate ng La Salle, mas lamang pa nga ng kaunti passing rates ng USTe.. tsaka meron na ring medical and allied courses sa DLSU sa Dasmarinas (College of Health Sciences yata tawag nila dun), mataas naman passing pero malayu-layo pa rin sa USTe at UP. :)

samsungcold

Oct 26, 2008, 07:11 AM

still, DLSU manages their students land in the top 10 esp during May.

Accountancy- it`s always UP VS. DLSU, far third is UST

Medicine- Yeh, let`s give it to UP.

kjsingh

Oct 26, 2008, 07:59 PM

lol..ang konti-konti na nga ng nag-te-take ng ECE board exam from Ateneo, di pa makakuha ng magandang passing rate. :rolleyes:

hi. im from ateneo but im not an ECE major. this is just a weird and funny post... im an applied math major and i think im in position to teach about numbers in this thread.

consider this example: meron lang TWO takers ng ECE board from a certain school. pag bumagsak ang isa, 50% na lang ang passing rate. pag bumagsak ang dalawa, o%. pag pumasa pareho, 100% na ang passing rate.

now consider this example. there are one million board takers from a certain school. kahit one thousand pa ang bumagsak sa board, ang passing rate is approx. 100% pa rin (999,000 / 1 000 000) kasi 99.9% naman anyway.

so what's the point? the less students you have, the "desired result" is more difficult to achieve. in statistical terms, by the Law of Large Numbers (LLN), given a sufficiently large sample (the board exam takers), the desired probability (or desired outcome, which is obvioulsy a 100% passing rate) tends to "normalize" (or acquires a stable mean).

im simple terms, more exam takers = higher probability of a 100% passing rate. IT IS WRONG TO SAY NA WITH LESS EXAMINEES, THE EASIER IT IS TO GET A HIGHER PASSING RATE. eto common sense example: ano pipiliin mo, isang prof na may one and only long exam na pagkukunan ng final mark, or isang prof na may 10 short exams as bases of your final mark? kumbaga, with more exams, you get "more chances" to achieve your desired result... ;)

the downside of my argument, though, is that yung may mga 100% ang passing rate with a small population, ibig sabihin magaling talaga sila. :)

just thinking out loud...

P.S. bakit naman ateneo ECE ang pinag-iinitan sa thread na to? :(

Warwick Bohol

Oct 27, 2008, 03:09 AM

Hmnnn... Joshua3 makes some sense sometimes. As odd as this may sound, I have to agree with him this time. When it comes to medicine and courses allied to medicine, UST is a top school and is considered by top students as a leading alternative to UP Manila. But then again, those are pre-professional and professional programs and should therefore but excluded in this debate. Notice how THES-QS exclude them in their survey. I hope the Tomasians have understood what I’m saying.

fortherecord

Oct 27, 2008, 11:48 AM

^^
What you said was really true ;)

samsungcold

Oct 28, 2008, 08:49 AM

both admu and dlsu do not have prc board-required courses , like those in UST.

Warwick Bohol

Oct 28, 2008, 11:34 PM

both admu and dlsu do not have prc board-required courses , like those in UST.

Absolutely. That is why you cannot compare UST to AdMU/DLSU based solely on board exams.

silent yet...

Oct 29, 2008, 12:15 PM

hi. im from ateneo but im not an ECE major. this is just a weird and funny post... im an applied math major and i think im in position to teach about numbers in this thread.

consider this example: meron lang TWO takers ng ECE board from a certain school. pag bumagsak ang isa, 50% na lang ang passing rate. pag bumagsak ang dalawa, o%. pag pumasa pareho, 100% na ang passing rate.

now consider this example. there are one million board takers from a certain school. kahit one thousand pa ang bumagsak sa board, ang passing rate is approx. 100% pa rin (999,000 / 1 000 000) kasi 99.9% naman anyway.

so what's the point? the less students you have, the "desired result" is more difficult to achieve. in statistical terms, by the Law of Large Numbers (LLN), given a sufficiently large sample (the board exam takers), the desired probability (or desired outcome, which is obvioulsy a 100% passing rate) tends to "normalize" (or acquires a stable mean).

im simple terms, more exam takers = higher probability of a 100% passing rate. IT IS WRONG TO SAY NA WITH LESS EXAMINEES, THE EASIER IT IS TO GET A HIGHER PASSING RATE. eto common sense example: ano pipiliin mo, isang prof na may one and only long exam na pagkukunan ng final mark, or isang prof na may 10 short exams as bases of your final mark? kumbaga, with more exams, you get "more chances" to achieve your desired result... ;)

the downside of my argument, though, is that yung may mga 100% ang passing rate with a small population, ibig sabihin magaling talaga sila. :)

just thinking out loud...

P.S. bakit naman ateneo ECE ang pinag-iinitan sa thread na to? :(

I beg to disagree. Your claims were only based on the context of statistics, or numbers shall I say. It can be true, but superficial because you eliminated a more important factor. PRC is conducting these board exams not just to present plain statistics.

BatotoyBibo

Oct 29, 2008, 05:22 PM

im simple terms, more exam takers = higher probability of a 100% passing rate. IT IS WRONG TO SAY NA WITH LESS EXAMINEES, THE EASIER IT IS TO GET A HIGHER PASSING RATE.

As far as the board exams are concerned, that probability is only true for nursing. A good number of schools with hundreds of examinees each year consistently get almost a 100% passing rate [TUA, UE, UST, SLU, Xavier, etc.]. For the rest of the boards, only those schools with few examinees [less than 20 mostly] are able to duplicate UP's 100% passing rate. Or at least close to it.

In simple terms, based on PRC records [so these are facts], may mga schools nakakadikit sa passing rate ng UP kapag kaunti lang examinees nila. In fact, marami-rami na rin ang nakaka 100% na kung saan 1,2,3,4 lang ang examinees. Thus, IT IS JUST RIGHT TO SAY THAT IT IS EASIER TO GET A 100% PASSING RATE WITH FEWER EXAMINEES. Likewise, sa totoong buhay, mas mahirap maka 100% with hundreds of examinees. Yan ang experience ng UST. Ganun pa man, kaya nya pa ring makipagsabayan sa mga schools na kaunti lang examinees. Lastly, wala pang school ang nakakadikit sa UST sa paramihan ng examinees at the same time pataasan ng passing rate [again, except nursing] and consistent at that. *okay*

kjsingh

Oct 30, 2008, 09:52 AM

As far as the board exams are concerned, that probability is only true for nursing. A good number of schools with hundreds of examinees each year consistently get almost a 100% passing rate [TUA, UE, UST, SLU, Xavier, etc.]. For the rest of the boards, only those schools with few examinees [less than 20 mostly] are able to duplicate UP's 100% passing rate. Or at least close to it.

In simple terms, based on PRC records [so these are facts], may mga schools nakakadikit sa passing rate ng UP kapag kaunti lang examinees nila. In fact, marami-rami na rin ang nakaka 100% na kung saan 1,2,3,4 lang ang examinees. Thus, IT IS JUST RIGHT TO SAY THAT IT IS EASIER TO GET A 100% PASSING RATE WITH FEWER EXAMINEES. Likewise, sa totoong buhay, mas mahirap maka 100% with hundreds of examinees. Yan ang experience ng UST. Ganun pa man, kaya nya pa ring makipagsabayan sa mga schools na kaunti lang examinees. Lastly, wala pang school ang nakakadikit sa UST sa paramihan ng examinees at the same time pataasan ng passing rate [again, except nursing] and consistent at that. *okay*

hi. i wasnt arguing based on historical data kasi wala naman akong alam sa board exams niyo. i was arguing based on statistical theories.

"Thus, IT IS JUST RIGHT TO SAY THAT IT IS EASIER TO GET A 100% PASSING RATE WITH FEWER EXAMINEES." -ano to claim na walang proof? or proof based on examples/historical data? this is a plain statement to me; i dont see any logical basis (based lang sa post mo, per se). if this is a claim based on examples, then i think this is a cheap method of arguing.

peace out. :)

mang_usteng

Oct 30, 2008, 11:54 AM

In simple terms, based on PRC records [so these are facts], may mga schools nakakadikit sa passing rate ng UP kapag kaunti lang examinees nila. In fact, marami-rami na rin ang nakaka 100% na kung saan 1,2,3,4 lang ang examinees. Thus, IT IS JUST RIGHT TO SAY THAT IT IS EASIER TO GET A 100% PASSING RATE WITH FEWER EXAMINEES.

wahahaha.. sana wag gawing probability theory ang statement na ito.. may mga good at bad side ang maliit na sample. pero mas maganda talaga pag mas malaki ang sample.. pero to conclude na its easier to get a 100% with fewer examinees? waahaha.. since your observation is based on prc results, why dont you give us the statistics of all schools with few (e.g 20 or less) examinees and give us the percentage of school with 100% or close to it. baka sakali makumbinsi ako.. :D

hunter_alchemst

Oct 30, 2008, 03:16 PM

Again, we go back to what PRC, CHED, and ESTF said, themselves with all objectivity and finality:

Foreword:
This Compilation of statistics was prepared by the educational Statistics Force (ESTF) - a joint undertaking of the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) and the Commission on Higher Education (CHED).

Overview:
For the past eight years, the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) through its Educational Statistics Task Force (ESTF) had been monitoring the performance of all schools that participated in the various licensure examinations. This mandate of PRC is now playing a crucial role in the improvement and upgrading of the educational system in the country. The data generated by the ESTF of the PRC are being used by legislators in the formulation of educational reforms and budgetary stipulations, especially among the state universities and colleges. The higher education institutions use these data for curriculum review and upgrading, training of faculty in determining their standing in the every licensure examination they have participated. The data also play a pivotal function in the career choices and decisions of future professionals who go for quality education.

BatotoyBibo

Oct 30, 2008, 06:22 PM

hi. i wasnt arguing based on historical data kasi wala naman akong alam sa board exams niyo. i was arguing based on statistical theories.

Yup I know. Your explanation was very basic and coherent and I'm not here to disprove mathematical theories. There's no argument there, I believe. :)

"Thus, IT IS JUST RIGHT TO SAY THAT IT IS EASIER TO GET A 100% PASSING RATE WITH FEWER EXAMINEES." -ano to claim na walang proof? or proof based on examples/historical data? this is a plain statement to me; i dont see any logical basis (based lang sa post mo, per se). if this is a claim based on examples, then i think this is a cheap method of arguing.

As I earlier posted, the bold statement above is true and correct in the context of board exams. Maraming cases/ examples, let's just take the latest CPA board exam (October 2008):

Performance of schools with few examinees:

1. PUP-Sta. Rosa [4/4] -- 100%
1. UPD [40/40] -- 100%
2. University of St. La Salle [22/23] -- 96%
3. UPV-Tacloban [23/25] -- 92%
4. DLSU-Dasmarinas [13/15] -- 87%

[B]Performance of schools with many examinees:

1. UST [258/332] -- 78%
2. PUP-Sta. Mesa [301/584] -- 52%
3. SLU [114/249] -- 46%
4. UE-Manila [47/140] -- 34%

Halos mahuhusay naman ang mga schools na yan sa accounting pero there's this tendency to perform better if the population is less. Yun ang PRC experience. *okay*

mang_usteng

Oct 31, 2008, 01:08 AM

samsungcold

Oct 31, 2008, 04:03 AM

trickk

Oct 31, 2008, 01:44 PM

^ We may not attach the performance of students/schools in some mathematical theories like the Law of Large Numbers simply because participating in licensure exams is not as mathematically neat as tossing a coin or rolling a die. The outcome of exams is influenced by many factors that are not quantifiable and appropriate in the LLN. Kasama dyan ang intellectual capacity ng examinee, emotional state nya habang nag-eexam, time constraint, at syempre ang kagustuhang makapasa o makakuha ng mataas na marka. The results could even be manipulated for heaven's sake! It will never be a fair toss.

But in practice, isn't it easier to train few examinees to get 100% passing rates? Parang sa Survivor lang yan e, habang pakonti nang pakonti ang mga castaways, mas lumalaki ang tiyansa ng mga natitira na tanghaling ultimate Survivor :naughty:

trickk

Oct 31, 2008, 02:43 PM

^ yung binigay mong example na onti ang examinees ay part lang ng mas malaking collection of samples. kapag sinama mo ba lahat ng school na may "few examinees", totoo pa rin ba ang observation?.. siguro kelangan talaga natin ng statistician para mainterpret ang PRC data..

Agreed. Mukhang naka-rank na yung table. So far sa mga schools na maraming examinees hirap sila makakuha ng 100%. Hindi pa nga naabot ang 90%. Pero sa mga schools na konti ang examinees naabot nila ang mataas na passing rates.

trickk

Oct 31, 2008, 03:12 PM

why always show october 2008 CPA boards?

The table was meant to verify the observation of "having less examinees, higher passing rates" argument.

just because it`s the only time when UST is ahead of UP and La Salle?

Using the percentage from that table, UP is ahead of UST while UST is ahead of La Salle.

Why dont CHED like THES consider research and student slectivity as part of the criteria. Im sure UST will place way below the top 20.`

Because CHED is different from THES. CHED measures licensure exam performance, hence the Top 20, while THES measures 'global popularity', hence the Top 400 of which no Philippine university is on their top 20 :). Even if CHED decides to include selectivity and research components in their ranking, Manila universities will still maintain their rankings. UST dropping out of the Top 20 is highly unlikely. :)

shellfish

Oct 31, 2008, 09:31 PM

why always show october 2008 CPA boards? just because it`s the only time when UST is ahead of UP and La Salle?

I agree with Warwick- `That is why you cannot compare UST to AdMU/DLSU based solely on board exams.`

Why dont CHED like THES consider research and student slectivity as part of the criteria. Im sure UST will place way below the top 20.

i'm not from ust pero exagg naman yata yan.

anyway, that's your opinion (kaya exagg? :D )

hunter_alchemst

Oct 31, 2008, 10:34 PM

why always show october 2008 CPA boards? just because it`s the only time when UST is ahead of UP and La Salle?

I agree with Warwick- `That is why you cannot compare UST to AdMU/DLSU based solely on board exams.`

Why dont CHED like THES consider research and student slectivity as part of the criteria. Im sure UST will place way below the top 20.

Kaya pala UST belongs to ONLY 4 RP Universities in THES. :rotflmao:

tantararantaran

Nov 1, 2008, 04:08 AM

why always show october 2008 CPA boards? just because it`s the only time when UST is ahead of UP and La Salle?

UST is not ahead of UP in the October 2008 CPA board exams. UP got 100%. I don't know about UST, but at the very least, it leads the pack in its category, which UP does not belong to. If we strip off the categories, UP would be first, followed by some schools with less than 5 examinees (which, by some twist of fate, everyone managed to pass the board exams) then UST. :rotflmao: But it does not make any sense, does it?

But in practice, isn't it easier to train few examinees to get 100% passing rates? Parang sa Survivor lang yan e, habang pakonti nang pakonti ang mga castaways, mas lumalaki ang tiyansa ng mga natitira na tanghaling ultimate Survivor :naughty:

Yes I definitely agree with this post. That's why schools with little population which, and i should stress out, consistently produce outstanding results, are more well trained than, say, a million from another because of the fact that they are more manageable to train. Meaning on a per capita basis, it is more manageable for a school with fewer population to provide more quality training.

But then again, it is really myopic for everyone to think about the number of examinees in a licensure exam. If a school produce a million professionals, from how much did it start, say, from the freshman year? from a gazillion? Then it just means that it has a large base to begin with, that's why it can produce such a large number of professionals. How about the poor old school which has no funds to accept as many freshmen? Should it be penalized by saying "maunti naman ang examinees niyan kaya madaling makakuha ng mataas na passing rate"? Really, now?

And I wouldn't even want to bother myself discussing how different from the PRC administered exams the way each school teaches its students. I would just be pacified by the fact that most people in this forum understand that the nearer the program of teaching is to the PRC administered exam does not necessarily mean that it gives a higher quality of education. If someone objects to that then I'm all set to discuss. :)

kjsingh

Nov 4, 2008, 10:12 PM

http://prc.gov.ph/articles.asp?sid=4&aid=3009

mikeV

Nov 5, 2008, 05:46 PM

Tama ka jan samsungcold

mikeV

Nov 5, 2008, 05:49 PM

Mas mahirap pa nga pumasok sa PLM kesa sa UST eh... student selectivity mas lamang PLM.. bakit mataas passing rate ng UST.. *** ba naman katabi mu PRC eh..

mikeV

Nov 5, 2008, 05:52 PM

why always show october 2008 CPA boards? just because it`s the only time when UST is ahead of UP and La Salle?

I agree with Warwick- `That is why you cannot compare UST to AdMU/DLSU based solely on board exams.`

Why dont CHED like THES consider research and student slectivity as part of the criteria. Im sure UST will place way below the top 20.

Mas mahirap pa nga pumasok sa PLM kesa sa UST eh... student selectivity mas lamang PLM.. bakit mataas passing rate ng UST.. *** ba naman katabi mu PRC eh

neni0hk

Nov 5, 2008, 07:39 PM

Mas mahirap pa nga pumasok sa PLM kesa sa UST eh... student selectivity mas lamang PLM.. bakit mataas passing rate ng UST.. *** ba naman katabi mu PRC eh..

very good observation.. 100% ba passing rate ng FEU at UE?:rotflmao:

marqueeyut

Nov 5, 2008, 09:57 PM

Mas mahirap pa nga pumasok sa PLM kesa sa UST eh... student selectivity mas lamang PLM.. bakit mataas passing rate ng UST.. *** ba naman katabi mu PRC eh

and by that, anong gusto mong palabasin?
wala sa proximity sa PRC yan. napaka babaw naman.:bop::bop:

joshua3

Nov 6, 2008, 04:51 AM

Mas mahirap pa nga pumasok sa PLM kesa sa UST eh... student selectivity mas lamang PLM..

Huh! :confused: Talaga? :lol:

bakit mataas passing rate ng UST.. *** ba naman katabi mu PRC eh

Haha katawa naman to. :lol:

Bakit ba maraming inggit sa USTe? Kung anu-ano pinupukol. :D

realaw

Nov 6, 2008, 11:50 AM

Mas mahirap pa nga pumasok sa PLM kesa sa UST eh... student selectivity mas lamang PLM.. bakit mataas passing rate ng UST.. *** ba naman katabi mu PRC eh..

pwede rin naman na mas magaling lang talga ang serbisyo at mas maganda ang exposure ng mga estudyante...

so... sa sinabi mo about sa "selectivity" eh... nagimprove ang estudyante... tama ba? edi good for the student... UST has helped him. unlike plm na hndi na naimprove *** kakayahan ng estudyante hehehe...

tama ba?:confused:

mikeV

Nov 10, 2008, 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=realaw;30877746]pwede rin naman na mas magaling lang talga ang serbisyo at mas maganda ang exposure ng mga estudyante...

so... sa sinabi mo about sa "selectivity" eh... nagimprove ang estudyante... tama ba? edi good for the student... UST has helped him. unlike plm na hndi na naimprove *** kakayahan ng estudyante hehehe...

tama ba?:confused:[/QUOT

Magagaling na students sa PLM what they need is refinement... ispin mu to ah.. mahirap na ngang makapasok sa PLM sinasala pa ang mga ggraduates because they have to maintain a specific grades... which means they produces quality students.. for a person who doesnt able to pass UPCAt,ACET or PLMAT yan **** sasabihin... ang lamang nio *** sa PLM facilities.. pero nakakasurvive pa rin students considering that conditon.. at eto pa.. sa mga quiz contest *** akong nakikitang espana base scholl na nanalo ah... mas mahirap kasi un kesa sa board exam dahil time pressure pabilisang pag isip ika nga..*okay* .. at *** sinasabing bat ang FEU at UE 100% ba passing rate.. well di hamak naman na mas malakas ang connection ng espana based school kesa sa 2 un.. at consolation narin mas mataas ng konti ang student selectivity.. UP no doubt jan premiere state U yan.. ateneo.. the best private school

diwata123

Nov 10, 2008, 12:51 PM

anuva... tama na ang school wars... paglabanin na lang natin mga schools sa southeast asia... hahahha!

growling_maroon

Nov 10, 2008, 04:15 PM

mikeV wrote:

"Magagaling na students sa PLM what they need is refinement... ispin mu to ah.. mahirap na ngang makapasok sa PLM sinasala pa ang mga ggraduates because they have to maintain a specific grades... which means they produces quality students.. for a person who doesnt able to pass UPCAt,ACET or PLMAT yan **** sasabihin... ang lamang nio *** sa PLM facilities.. pero nakakasurvive pa rin students considering that conditon.. at eto pa.. sa mga quiz contest *** akong nakikitang espana base scholl na nanalo ah... mas mahirap kasi un kesa sa board exam dahil time pressure pabilisang pag isip ika nga.. .. at *** sinasabing bat ang FEU at UE 100% ba passing rate.. well di hamak naman na mas malakas ang connection ng espana based school kesa sa 2 un.. at consolation narin mas mataas ng konti ang student selectivity.. UP no doubt jan premiere state U yan.. ateneo.. the best private school"

PLM is a good but underrated school. Mahuhusay mga guro nila at mga estudyante. I would have to agree that UP and the Ateneo are #1 and #2, no doubt. But let's learn to give credit where it is due. If UST fairs well in board exams, then good. Let's just be happy for the accomplishments of every school.

P.S. mikeV, please tell me you are not from PLM, hanep sa grammar eh, impeccable! What more can i say?

joshua3

Nov 10, 2008, 06:55 PM

^^Stop comparing your PLM with USTe. No comparison hehe, malayo pa... Don't get me wrong, mahusay naman talaga PLM pero di pa ganun kagaling. In due time [anything can happen], who knows malalagpasan ng PLM ang USTe. Sa ngayon, di talaga kahit na anong pagpipilit mo. Swerte mo na nga may pumatos sa post mo eh hehe..

realaw

Nov 10, 2008, 07:51 PM

Magagaling na students sa PLM what they need is refinement... ispin mu to ah.. mahirap na ngang makapasok sa PLM sinasala pa ang mga ggraduates because they have to maintain a specific grades... which means they produces quality students..

haha un na nga eh refinement pero di parin nila nagawa ng maayos, based on boards... unlike ust, as what you have said na kesyo katabi ang prc at kung anu anu pang konklusyon mo, na di maganda ang "selectivity", as you've said, compared to plm eh nakakalamang parin sa board. so mas magaling ang ust magrefine? hahaha maybe not... but to make/produce/train and sometime refine. :lol:

sure ka ba na *** pang nananalo sa quiz na espana based? hehehe bka di nakapagaral... my social life din kasi sila. balanced life. adventurous sila.

trickk

Nov 10, 2008, 10:18 PM

Magagaling na students sa PLM what they need is refinement... ispin mu to ah.. mahirap na ngang makapasok sa PLM sinasala pa ang mga ggraduates because they have to maintain a specific grades... which means they produces quality students..for a person who doesnt able to pass UPCAt,ACET or PLMAT yan **** sasabihin...

Magagaling nga ang mga students ng PLM *okay*.

Nasubukan mo bang mag-take ng UPCAT or any other college entrance exam, pagkatapos ay pumasa o bumagsak sa kahit alin sa mga ito?

Alam mo ba kung ilang estudyante ang bumabagsak sa interview, naghihintay sa waiting-list, o na-misplace sa academic placement ng UST dahil sa "selectivity" measures ng ilang kurso gaya ng nursing, architecture, accountancy, o biology?

.. ang lamang nio *** sa PLM facilities.. pero nakakasurvive pa rin students considering that conditon..

Maayos at maganda talaga ang facilities ng UST. *okay*

at eto pa.. sa mga quiz contest *** akong nakikitang espana base scholl na nanalo ah... mas mahirap kasi un kesa sa board exam dahil time pressure pabilisang pag isip ika nga..*okay* ..

Kaya dapat nang isali ang "quiz contest" achievements sa pag-evaluate ng performance ng isang school? :naughty:

Sa pagkakaalam ko may "time pressure" din ang mga board exams. :D

at *** sinasabing bat ang FEU at UE 100% ba passing rate.. well di hamak naman na mas malakas ang connection ng espana based school kesa sa 2 un..

^ Another school basher? :lol:

Sensui01

Nov 13, 2008, 02:20 AM

wag nyo na kasi patulan.

ganito lang naman yun eh. kung mababa ang ust sa percentage ng prc mamaliitin lang tayo ng ibang universitires/institutions/etc... pero kapag mataas nakukuha sa board exam sasabihin naman chamba lang or nandaya or madami kasi examinees.

ganyan talaga ang buhay. basta tayo galing ust. ano naman ngayon kung hindi tayo number 1 ever? di ba UP naman talaga ang number 1 dati pa? basta para sa akin masaya ako at madami pumapasa na mga thomasians. masaya ko para sa kapwa alumni ko.

kung ano man sabihin nila about sa ust ay opinion na nila yun. meron sila karapatan sabihin yun. kaya nga may freedom of expression eh.

pero para dun sa mga nagpopost na binabash yung ateneo ece. wag naman sana ganun. wala pa 1 dekada yung program minamaliit nyo na .basahin nyo din kasi maiigi yung mga pinost ni physicist. ateneo is a great institution alam ko magagawan nila ng paraan na iimprove lalo ang program.

alam ko na hindi mawawala yung mga bangayan na kung sino mas magaling at sino ang hindi. at alam ko laging nandyan ang ust na laging minamaliit.

sa mga kapwa ko naman thomasians dyan. wag na kasi kayo makisawsaw sa big 3. wag nyo na gawin big 4. ang sagwa kasi tignan/pakinggan. hayaan nyo na yung 3 dun sa itaas. basta tayo masaya tayo sa resulta ng mga board exams. kung ano man sabihin nila about dun ay kanila na lang yun. congrats din sa ibang schools na naging maganda ang performance sa boards.

sa mga kapwa ko tomasino kita kita tayo sa 2011.

kapayapaan!

'le_chatelier'

Nov 13, 2008, 06:36 PM

Seriously, if you habitually post here in the Academe of PEX, you're just making yourself cheap. Numbers are out - that is, everything's quantitative. But people here still insists that something less is greater than what is really less, and I don't think it makes sense at all.

markmyword

Nov 13, 2008, 10:04 PM

UST is best-performing private university
By Andrewly A. Agaton and Prinz P. Magtulis

WITH AGE comes wisdom – and a good academic reputation.

But aside from the the 100-year-old University of the Philippines and the 397-year-old University of Sto. Tomas which have consistently stamped their class as the top two higher education institutions in the country with a rich history of academic excellence, there are also other universities in the far off provinces that deserve a second look as far as performing well in various licensure exams is concerned.

Statistics from Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) in 2005 showed that Mariano Marcos State University in Batac, Ilocos Norte was the leading school in Region I, acing seven of 13 licensure exams, the highest of which was the 89-percent passing rate in Electrical Engineering. In all, it registered an average passing rate of 58 percent in 13 examinations that it participated in.

Mindanao State University (MSU)-Iligan Institute of Technology, MSU-General Santos, Bicol University-Legazpi, and MSU-Marawi followed suit with 57, 52, 49, and 47 percent overall passing rates.

Among private institutions, Xavier University in Cagayan de Oro, followed UST, with a batting average of 70 percent in 11 licensure exams. Its board exam result for agricultural engineers was the highest at 86 percent.

The other private universities that registered good ratings were Silliman University, Saint Louis University, Ateneo de Davao University, and Central Philippine University, which had an average passing rate of 66, 65, 62, and 60 percent, respectively.

The common denominator is that these schools have a long tradition of research, faculty development, and educational, rather than commercial pursuits.

Government versus private

The PRC acknowledged UST as the top performer among private schools nationwide, tallying an 80-percent overall passing average and recording 14 high passing rates in 19 licensure exams.

However, UST’s passing rate fell a few notches short to that of state-run UP, with passing rates from eight campuses delivering an 85.3-percent overall passing rate, enough to be hailed as the best performing higher education institution in the country.

Three UP campuses – in Diliman, Los Baños, and in Manila – were also named by PRC as the top three government schools in terms of performance in board exams. The three all posted perfect scores on a number of licensure examinations.

UP students produce good results in licensure examinations because of the demanding academic requirements of the university, UP-Diliman Registrar Pamela Constantino said.

“Because of the usual students’ strenuous academic life in here, they are already being trained to be hardworking people,” Constantino said.

The former Commission on Higher Education (Ched) chairman, UST Rector Fr. Rolando de la Rosa, O.P., noted that the University has maintained its high stature considering the large number of UST examinees every year.

“Usually, UST is the highest in the rank of 100 and above examinees,” De la Rosa said. “For instance, medicine performs well because there are almost 500 examinees and most of them pass.”

In 2005, 456 Thomasians took the licensure examination for physicians and 384 passed, leaving UST with a passing rate of 84 percent. The University also produced 386 professional nurses out of the 411 examinees, with a 94 percent passing rate in the same year.

UST produced a total of 2,409 new professionals that same year, much higher than the 1,979 professionals coming from the three leading UP campuses.

For the first three months of academic year 2008-2009, UST has already produced five top notchers in different licensure exams.

Figures from the PRC showed UST topping board exams in architecture, physical therapy, occupational therapy, nursing, and pharmacy with 68, 98, 84, 98, and 83 percent passing rates, respectively.

But despite the remarkable performance of Thomasians in the board exams, Vice-Rector for Academic Affairs Clarita Carillo believes “dominating” the exams is not enough.

“We are performing well, but we can always do better,” Carillo told the Varsitarian.

from The Varsitarian Vol. 80 No. 3
http://www.varsitarian.net/special_reports/ust_is_best_performing_private_university

diwata123

Nov 14, 2008, 09:43 AM

if universities are teaching the students the basic concepts only they think will come out in the board exam, and they still fail to get 100%, then there must be something wrong.

blue&green

Nov 14, 2008, 11:04 AM

^

It would have been better if you cited a more unbiased source. The Varsitarian is the school paper of UST :)

diwata123

Nov 14, 2008, 01:25 PM

best performing naman daw based on board exam...
e ang matatalinong tao sa Pilipinas at sa mundo, hindi tinitingnan ang board exam bilang batayan ng galing at husay ng isang eskwelahan.

may magtatanong jan... e kung di board exam... e ano?

usually, ang nagtatanong nito ay hindi taga-UP, or Ateneo.

zacharaiolsen

Nov 14, 2008, 05:07 PM

^ haha mga bitter ^

palibhasa wala kayo makitang 'best private U' ang school nyo sa sarili nyong schl papers. puro surveys, competitions, review centers, at kung anu ano pang adbertismo > mas credible ba yan kesa sa facts ng PRC at CHED mismo?

markmyword

Nov 14, 2008, 09:10 PM

^

It would have been better if you cited a more unbiased source. The Varsitarian is the school paper of UST :)
well, I think among the university student publications, only The Varsitarian can do that kind of reportage.

And read it again, I don't think there is bias. :)

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from The Varsitarian Vol. 80 No. 3

ADB deplores high number of low-quality colleges, universities
Higher education plagued by endemic poor board results

By Andrewly A. Agaton, Alphonsus Luigi A. Alfonso and Jonathan Eli A. Libut

THERE is a monkey wrench stuck in the country’s higher education system.

Over the years, Philippine higher education, once the envy of the region, has been undermined by the relentless mushrooming of universities and colleges, many of questionable quality, and the inability of authorities to enforce even the basic standards.

Poor-quality schools, many of them state-run or business-oriented, are in fact dragging down the national passing rates in board exams, barely producing graduates with minimum competence.

Experts blame the surplus of colleges and universities -- partly due to state sanction and also because of the prospects of quick profits in a sector considered immune from economic downturn -- for the moribund state of the country’s higher education system.

The previous three Congresses alone have converted 24 small-town and agriculture colleges into state colleges and universities (SUCs), mostly at the bidding of local politicians, spreading the limited government education budget thinly.

The Philippines now has the biggest number of higher education institutions in Southeast Asia, according to a study by the Asian Development Bank last June, which questioned the “rapid expansion without sufficient attention to the conditions of success.”

The Philippines hosts a total of 5,184 higher learning institutions, double than that of Indonesia and 10 times the number of that in the more affluent Thailand.

In contrast, there are more Thai, Malaysian and Indonesian schools in the annual ranking of the world’s top 500 universities by a London publication, where only two Philippine institutions, the University of the Philippines and Ateneo de Manila, made it.

To ensure the quality of tertiary education in the Philippines, the Commission on Higher Education (Ched) was created by Republic Act (RA) 7722 or the Higher Education Act of 1994, and was given the mandate to “promote the exercise and observance” of higher quality education for the continuing intellectual growth, advancement of learning and research, and the development of responsible and effective leadership.

Sub-par

One of Ched’s functions is to implement effective plans to develop government-owned schools, made up of 112 SUCs with 326 satellite campuses, and 70 local government universities and colleges.

The Professional Regulation Commission (PRC), meanwhile, is tasked to administer licensure exams and give recommendations to Ched.

Using state licensure exams as a gauge of the quality of education, may schools, private and public alike, seem to be falling way behind.

According to the latest available data from the PRC, out of 1,254 colleges and universities in the country that participated in at least one of the licensure exams in 2005, 99 schools registered a zero passing rate.

A total of 360 government schools had an average passing rate of only 35 percent while 1,254 private institutions registered an average over all passing rate of 36 percent.

PRC data from 1999 to 2003 showed that private schools University of the Visayas, Medina College, Feati University, National University, and the University of Northeastern Philippines had the lowest passing rates in the country. A total of 118 out of 402 low-performing or zero-rate schools were state-owned.

Sub-par schools are rampant in popular and commercial courses like nursing, accounting, education, and engineering.

For instance, Martinez Memorial College, Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Pasay and the Unciano Colleges and General Hospital-Manila were the three lowest performing schools in nursing in 2005, recording a passing rate of less than 20 percent.

In the 2005 Certified Public Accountant boards, the Divine Word College of Legazpi, University of Luzon, and University of Pangasinan produced only 46 passers out of a combined total of 471 examinees, or a passing rate of of a dismal 10 percent.

The 2005 education board exams saw even more low performers and zero raters such as Perpetual Help College of Pangasinan, Polytechnic University of the Philippines (PUP)-Sta. Mesa, La Consolacion College-Manila, Saint Thomas Aquinas College, and Isabela State University-Iligan, among others.

The chain of AMA schools turned out having more low and zero passing rates compared to others in the Electronics and Communications Engineering boards. Even established engineering schools like the Technological Institute of the Philippines in Manila and Quezon City performed unsatisfactorily.

Many SUCs have been underperforming in licensure exams, yet most of them participate in only less than 10 boards.

For instance, the Cagayan State University, Palawan State University, and Pangasinan State University, which have several branches, participated in less that 10 examinations. Historically, only around one out of three examinees have passed licensure examinations.

Likewise, in Aklan State University, Isabela State University, and Cebu State College of Science and Technology, which also have multiple campuses, only about one in three examinees have passed the board exams.

PRC chief Leonor Tripon-Rosero said the declining quality of higher education in the country is reflected in the performance of these schools, and it’s up to school administrators whether or not to improve quality.

“It is down to the quality of education because there are some schools that adversely open without even complying with the standards of Ched,” Rosero told the Varsitarian.

The PRC has made recommendations to avert low and zero passing rates, recommending incentives and sanctions to improve quality, more state funding, and linkages with Congress to strengthen the enforcement of education standards.

But poorly performing schools, which are supposed to have been closed by Ched, still continue to operate.

In 2003, the PRC recommended sanctions on all schools that continue to perform poorly, such as the reduction of government subsidies. Schools with consistent zero or sub-par passing rates were also advised to terminate programs producing dismal results in licensure exams.

A recent report of the Commission on Audit (COA) called on the Ched to close nursing programs in certain schools which have performed erratically in licensure exams.

The COA noted that Ched had been able to scrap courses and programs in accountancy, civil, chemical, electrical, and agricultural engineering, chemistry, and customs administration, except nursing.

“No school offering Nursing programs has ever been closed in the exercise of Ched’s regulatory authority, thereby allowing these low-performing schools to continue offering the course to the detriment of their students,” the report stated.

In all, Ched was only able to phase out programs of more than 20 schools in 2005, according William Malitao, Ched Office for Programs and Standards officer in charge.

Mediocrity and business

Malitao explained that low performing schools continue to operate to take advantage of in-demand courses like nursing.

“Actually, nursing is the lifeblood of every school today, especially for the new ones,” Malitao said, pointing to the big enrollment in numerous nursing schools in the country.

According to the PRC, the nursing programs of some of the new schools have registered zero passing rates.

Meeting just the minimum requirements of Ched, some new schools even manage to put up several branches across the country while participating only in a few licensure exams, mostly in nursing and computer courses.

Among these schools is AMA Computer University, with 27 branches, and ABE International College of Business Economics, with seven branches.

With numerous satellite campuses, AMA passing rates in licensure exams in 2005 averaged only 11.4 percent. Twelve branches had zero passing rates. From 1999 to 2003, only one in five exam-takers got a professional license,

PRC data also revealed that ABE had only a 22.4 percent passing rate in government exams in 2005, with five branches getting zero.

The Varsitarian tried to get the side of the AMA and ABE administrations but they declined to comment.

Although Ched has attempted to discontinue the operations of certain schools or programs which barely meet the requirements or have been registering a passing rate of a measly five percent and below in licensure exams for the last five years, its initiatives have seen few results.

“We try to phase out some of the programs, but one of the schools filed a lawsuit against us,” Malitao said.

Malitao said there have been court orders and counter suits, but in the end, that school won the case and continued to operate.

The Ched official admitted that the government is finding it hard to clamp down on commercialization in education.

“Actually, we do not have any law preventing these schools to be run like business companies or even be managed by top business personalities in the country,” Malitao said.

What happens is that these schools accept as many students as possible but do not give the quality of education students are supposed to receive.

On the other hand, there should be a “moratorium” on new SUCs, Philippine Institute for Development Studies public affairs chief and UST professor Edwin Martin said.

“We should somehow maximize our resources. Instead of creating new SUCs, (the government should) integrate them or abolish some that are not really performing well,” he said. With reports from Nikki Q. Angulo and Samuel Raphael P. Medenilla