BS Mathematics

[lelouchzero]

May tanong lang ako... totoo bang walang magandang trabaho ang graduates n BS Math bukod sa pagiging teacher? O kung meron man, iilan *** ang kailangan? Penge naman ng info especially sa mga BS Math graduates kc mejo naguguluhan ako sa course kong ito eh. salamat.

[ubermensch]

try ko itong sagutin next time. need to logout na kasi. ayokong madaliin...

[butch2koy]

It highly depends where you got it from.

A BS Math degree from a less reputable school would hardly get you anywhere. On the other hand, a BS Math degree from UP Diliman, Ateneo de Manila and DLSU would be a valuable degree qualification to get you into a top, high-paying corporate job. You can go into Baking, finance, consultancy, actuary, etc.

Again, it highly is dependent on the school you got it from.

[lelouchzero]

It highly depends where you got it from.

A BS Math degree from a less reputable school would hardly get you anywhere. On the other hand, a BS Math degree from UP Diliman, Ateneo de Manila and DLSU would be a valuable degree qualification to get you into a top, high-paying corporate job. You can go into Baking, finance, consultancy, actuary, etc.

Again, it highly is dependent on the school you got it from.

for instance i had the degree form one of these schools will i be able to get a good/decent job even if it is Pure Mathematics and not Applied Mathematics?

[KuyaDanny]

lelouchzero, there are no guarantees. However, I have gotten to know graduates from those schools who hold degrees in pure mathematics, and they were able to get "good/decent" jobs.

[lelouchzero]

lelouchzero, there are no guarantees. However, I have gotten to know graduates from those schools who hold degrees in pure mathematics, and they were able to get "good/decent" jobs.

kuya danny, *** kakilala nio po ba ay profs or meron din sa field and industry?

[bankereconomist]

when i was working i have two officemates who are bs math graduates one from UPD and one from PUP but like what kuyadanny said there is no guarantee. kanya kanyang swerte iyan!

[KuyaDanny]

kuya danny, *** kakilala nio po ba ay profs or meron din sa field and industry?

Industry. Private sector. Meron din sa government. Some are holding leadership/management positions now.

Your dilemma is similar to one of our PExers here, a Philosophy major. I think the biggest obstacle you have to overcome is the bias of recruiters against your major. You'll encounter this in your first two to three jobs, but if you work through that, and compile a record of achievement and success on the job, your college major will matter less and less.

[Krayon]

I'd be more interesting to see what entry level jobs are available for Math majors. Why not try asking the schools for their graduate placements?

[butch2koy]

Sa banking meron sa Citibank, HSBC, Metro at PNB ...andun ang mga kilala ko na BS Bath and they are really doing good. Meron din akong kakilala sa Central Bank of the Philippines na mga BS Math majors. But then again, they're all from UP D.

Ang President/CEO ng Smart Communication ay Math graduate ng la salle. pero meron siyang MBA mula sa UP Diliman. pero bago pa siya nakapag-MBA, nasa corporate na siya nagtatrabaho.

Again, a BS Math from the so-called Big-3 is a highly valuable degree. There’s no guarantee for a wonderful job position but it is a valuable degree nonetheless. You can work in jobs that don't even require the relevance of discipline. Basta maganda ang school na pinanggalinang mo, OK ka. Bunos nalang kung Math major ka pa.

[galileo_]

BS Math graduates? Yung country chair ng Citibank Philippines na si NIna Aguas is a BS Math graduate from UST. Si James Velasquez, president ng IBM Philippines ay may BS Math and BS Engineering degree din sa UST.

Ang alam ko si Oscar Picazo na World Bank economist eh BS Math graduate din sa UST before taking up AB Economics sa Arts and Letters ng UST.

[physicist]

Ang President/CEO ng Smart Communication ay Math graduate ng la salle. pero meron siyang MBA mula sa UP Diliman. pero bago pa siya nakapag-MBA, nasa corporate na siya nagtatrabaho.

Out of topic:

This isn't really my style, but I've spoken to Mr. Nazareno once at my uncle's place. (My uncle knows him and several in the board of directors personally). I'm pretty sure he got his Master's at AIM. He didn't mention studying in La Salle either, but let me confirm that.

On-topic:

If you're good, then a Math degree will work wonders for you -- for whatever area. Based on your posts (and the other thread you've made) it appears that you're inclinations are towards the corporate setting. Math can give you a whole lot of leverage there. I believe it is easier to make the transition from hard-maths to business/econ, than the other way around. You don't lose anything then (except possibly your sanity, if you're not that good) by undergoing a rigorous math program.

Wall Street has been in the habit of hiring mathematicians and disgruntled theoretical physicists to do a lot of its modeling work. And they pay ridiculous amounts of money. (Trust me, a friend of mine who graduated five years ago ditched his work in path integrals for these greener pastures. His stories easily made me salivate... or maybe that was just the beer.)

Also, my uncle was a Math major, and valedictorian of Ateneo during his time. He's now one of the highest ranking officers of SC-Johnson (highest-ranking Asian in fact). He's particularly proud of the fact that he didn't need an MBA to get to his current position, and occasionally brags about his being boss to several MBA-holders from Wharton and Harvard. I asked him once if he thought he really needed his Math degree, and he said probably not. But then he qualifies this by saying that while Ateneo taught him how to speak clearly, it was math that showed him how to think rigorously.

I also know that at least two people here in PEX are more qualified than me to talk about career opportunities for mathematicians in the finance sector (You know who you are...), so you'll have to wait for their replies.

Meantime, in case you need an urgent answer, don't hold back on Math out of fear of the apparent inevitability of teaching. But know too that if all you're after in life is money, ironically, that will make it much harder to get.

Shameless plug: I'm hearing a lot of good things from the Applied Mathematical Finance program of Ateneo. If you're good enough to get into that then great! Problem solved. That program promises to be a breeding ground for future multi-millionaires. People in that area get the best-paying starting jobs here in the US.

Hear this: My friend got paid $160,000 in his first year as a quant, which is still quite low he says because he came in with no experience. (When he told me this, I wanted to kill him!) Just to give you as sense of how much that is, compare that with what starting nurses here make, which is around $40,000-$45,000 a year.

Perhaps it's time for Filipinos to start moving to Math en masse. Just a thought. :)

[KuyaDanny]

I think butch2koy is referring to Gerry Ablaza, CEO of Globe (not Smart), who holds a Math degree from DLSU. I think his first job out of college was in brand management at Unilever.

[lelouchzero]

yung inoofer ata sa UST, La Salle and Ateneo ay Applied Mathematics which is very profitable tlaga and should I say i demand... Which I'm not sure if it also applies for Pure Mathematics graduates...

[physicist]

yung inoofer ata sa UST, La Salle and Ateneo ay Applied Mathematics which is very profitable tlaga and should I say i demand... Which I'm not sure if it also applies for Pure Mathematics graduates...

Ateneo also offers pure math. (I'm sure UST and DLSU do as well, as every self-respecting university must). In fact, it's their primary program; applied math was just an off-shoot.

And yes, it can be as "profitable" as applied math. Still though, I insist that you're probably looking at this the wrong way. In simple terms -- kung ganyan ka mag-isip di ka gagaling sa math, and consequently, di ka yayaman dahil sa math. :)

[junjun22]

Sa banking meron sa Citibank, HSBC, Metro at PNB ...andun ang mga kilala ko na BS Bath and they are really doing good. Meron din akong kakilala sa Central Bank of the Philippines na mga BS Math majors. But then again, they're all from UP D.

Ang President/CEO ng Smart Communication ay Math graduate ng la salle. pero meron siyang MBA mula sa UP Diliman. pero bago pa siya nakapag-MBA, nasa corporate na siya nagtatrabaho.

Again, a BS Math from the so-called Big-3 is a highly valuable degree. There’s no guarantee for a wonderful job position but it is a valuable degree nonetheless. You can work in jobs that don't even require the relevance of discipline. Basta maganda ang school na pinanggalinang mo, OK ka. Bunos nalang kung Math major ka pa.

ako po UPD BS Math, nasa BSP ngayon.

[pinkastronaut]

my brother is a graduate ng b.s. math in dlsu major in comp ap. he's working sa IBM as manager now.. he's 24

[lelouchzero]

Ateneo also offers pure math. (I'm sure UST and DLSU do as well, as every self-respecting university must). In fact, it's their primary program; applied math was just an off-shoot.

And yes, it can be as "profitable" as applied math. Still though, I insist that you're probably looking at this the wrong way. In simple terms -- kung ganyan ka mag-isip di ka gagaling sa math, and consequently, di ka yayaman dahil sa math. :)

uhm... nde naman po sa pera *** ang lahat ng tumatakbo sa isip ko... i just wanted to plan my future by looking at the downside of the course... mahirap naman po kc kung pag tumagal tsaka ko mapag isipan na nde *** maganda or watsoever... :)

[gravity_0305]

I am a recent BS Math (Pure math major) graduate from UP and right now working as a Software Engineer in a private IT company. My blocmates work in various sectors like banking, finance, insurance/actuary and also IT industry. So I guess, if you're a math graduate, you actually have great chances of landing in a good job. :)

[lelouchzero]

I am a recent BS Math (Pure math major) graduate from UP and right now working as a Software Engineer in a private IT company. My blocmates work in various sectors like banking, finance, insurance/actuary and also IT industry. So I guess, if you're a math graduate, you actually have great chances of landing in a good job. :)

kuya anong mga electives po maganda? :)

[lelouchzero]

may mga graduates ba jan ng kursong ito? for more info lang po kasi im still confused hanggang ngayon.... :(

[la_flash]

woah physicist, i now feel disappointed that i didn't take BS Math. Math was my first love and the sciences are just my concubines. :bop:

@lelouchzero, just an advise, strive to excel in your field then learn a few more skills to make yourself more sellable (if there's such a term) to the industry. Math teaches to think rigorously, that will be your biggest asset.

[ubermensch]

i said i was going to reply (since post #2), but i really have nothing more to add that hasn't been said already in some form. :glee:

i'd like to emphasize: while the academe may be an obvious choice, it is not the only choice. i'm now in academia, and people expected as much, but i also did try my hand at a software development company for a couple of years before going to grad school.

i understand that this (job prospects) is a primary concern of people considering a math degree (any hardcore science degree in fact). during orientation seminars for freshmen, students almost always need to be assured of this. so you need to be honest with yourself if you really want it. prepare yourself as well for conversations like this

relative: ano ulit kukunin mo sa college?
uber: bs math
relative: ano yun? bs education major in math?
uber: hinde. bs mathematics po :glee:
relative: talaga! may ganun pala na course. so, puro math lang yun?
uber's thought balloon: (sarcastic) hinde! sociology, psychology at maraming theology (which turned out to be true since i studied at admu, but i digress :))

pero yun nga. near graduation, i realized, it would be a stretch if all of us ended up as teachers. of the 13 in my batch, only three of us are in the academe. the rest are in IT and insurance companies (well, one's taking care of the family business, but that's due more to personal circumstances). my math major friend who did his m.s. finance in UP a few years ago told me that a lot of them in his batch were actually math majors.

re: physicist's quant friend who earns 160k in his first year, that made me drool. i might end up as a quant. but at this point in my career, i'm not really focusing on that yet. for a math major (feel free to plug in physics, chemistry, microbiology, etc), there's still the thorny gap between start and finish, and any promise at the end (good job, good pay) may not be enough to get you through, unless you're really committed to what you just got yourself into.

[tubong_batasan]

kuya anong mga electives po maganda? :)

During my time, i took the following math electives (in UPD):
1) Math 162 (Theory of Interest)
2) Math 171 (Numerical Analysis)
3) Math 117 (Elementary Number Theory)

after i graduated, i moved into the actuarial field.

[math_techie]

another subject that he can take is Math 164, Life Contigencies ata. Math 171 is now part of the BS Mathematics curriculum

[kristofer]

Masaya yung math117 kay Sir Nemenzo (UPD).
magaling s'ya.:)

share lang...

[angieangieangie]

good thing i saw this thread here. i am also in a BSMath stude in UPD and gulung-gulo na din ako, pinag-iisipan ko na talagang magshift kasi nahihirapan nako sa Math.
I really love Math since gradeschool..until i went to college. keri ko pa naman yung first two years ko in the program. kaya lang, ngayong sem, everytime na pumapasok ako sa class ko sa Math 110.1 (Abstract Algebra 1) e naiisip ko, hindi na ganung klase ng math ang una kong minahal. (???ang lalim sorry. :D) ibang klase ng math na talaga ang pinapakita nila sakin. huhuhu.. lumilipad tuloy ang utak ko, naiimagine ko ang whiteboard na ang nakasulat ay engineering lessons, na nag-iindicate na parang gusto ko nang magshift into engineering. or geology.
nakatapos na ako ng two years sa math kaya ang hirap talaga magdecide. at dahil na rin -sabi nga ng friend ko, future na ang nakasalalay dito.
pero nakatulong talaga ng bonggang-bongga ang mga nabasa ko dito, napigilan akong magshift kahit pano. :D
at ngayon, sobrang bilib na bilib na talaga ako sa mga nkakagraduate sa BSMath. hooh!

[ayun, share lang naman tungkol sa kalagayan ko sa Math. :D]

[lelouchzero]

hi angie! freshie lang ako. totoo bang sobrang hirap na ng third year ng bs math? may nakapagsabi din kasi sa class namin na nung third year daw niya pinag iisipan na din niya mag shift dahil di na daw nia maintindihan mga pinagsasabi ng prof niya.

di ba ang engineering mataas ang mortality rate sa UPD? sa bs math ba mataas din ang mortality rate?

[pepsicola]

^ sinong prof mo sa math110.1?

[tubong_batasan]

good thing i saw this thread here. i am also in a BSMath stude in UPD and gulung-gulo na din ako, pinag-iisipan ko na talagang magshift kasi nahihirapan nako sa Math.
I really love Math since gradeschool..until i went to college. keri ko pa naman yung first two years ko in the program. kaya lang, ngayong sem, everytime na pumapasok ako sa class ko sa Math 110.1 (Abstract Algebra 1) e naiisip ko, hindi na ganung klase ng math ang una kong minahal. (???ang lalim sorry. :D) ibang klase ng math na talaga ang pinapakita nila sakin. huhuhu.. lumilipad tuloy ang utak ko, naiimagine ko ang whiteboard na ang nakasulat ay engineering lessons, na nag-iindicate na parang gusto ko nang magshift into engineering. or geology.
nakatapos na ako ng two years sa math kaya ang hirap talaga magdecide. at dahil na rin -sabi nga ng friend ko, future na ang nakasalalay dito.
pero nakatulong talaga ng bonggang-bongga ang mga nabasa ko dito, napigilan akong magshift kahit pano. :D
at ngayon, sobrang bilib na bilib na talaga ako sa mga nkakagraduate sa BSMath. hooh!

[ayun, share lang naman tungkol sa kalagayan ko sa Math. :D]


ako nga, during my math 109 days pa lang, nag-isip ng umalis sa bs math. tapos sobrang hindi ko naisip kung saan ako lilipat or talagang tinatamad lang akong lumipat.
sa simula mahirap nga, pero practice lang ng practice.
medyo iba nga yung higher math sa math na nagustuhan natin yung elem or high school days. yung higher math masyadong abstract. actually, ang isa at ang pinakamagandang matututunan mo sa lahat ng higher math series (math 109, 110.1, 110.2, 110.3, 123.1, 123.2, etc) at yung very superb line of reasoning and critical thinking.
kaya mo yan.

lahat ng BS math stude here, keep on computing, proving, formulating! haha!

[math_techie]

I used Math 109 as my sign kung lilipat ako o hindi. Eh sobrang naaliw ako sa math 109, kaya yun tinuloy ko na.

[razzp]

Physicist: Sa UP Diliman ka ba nag Physics? Anong lab ka?

[ubermensch]

Physicist: Sa UP Diliman ka ba nag Physics? Anong lab ka?

hahaha. i'll now return the favor. when somebody asked me if i was from UP, si physicist kasi ang sumagot.

nope, taga-ateneo si physicist.

[physicist]

Salamat, pareng ubermensch. Favor returned. :) Welcome back pala! I hope your fall semester is off to a good start.

Physicist: Sa UP Diliman ka ba nag Physics? Anong lab ka?

Like ubermensch said, I went to Ateneo for college. My wife did her bachelor's and master's at NIP though (with Photonics under Daza, and then SAND under Villagonzalo).

Ikaw pala?

Sadly, it seems I was never meant for NIP. Had I decided to go to UPD instead (some years ago), my name here would be mathematician instead of physicist. ;)

[razzp]

^^^

What do you mean by " you were never meant for NIP"? :)

I was in their BS Physics program for two years before I shifted to Philosophy.

Parang pinagsisisihan ko tuloy na lumipat ako. :D

[condorhero]

geez, i admire you guys for liking math. i wanted to like math, but it seems from the beginning, it wouldn't like me. now, the feeling is completely mutual.

i wish filipino mathematicians do some volunteer works to teach our children math.

[lelouchzero]

anu ba mas magandang itake? BS Math ng UP or Accountancy ng UST? need your advice... thanks!:)

[junjun22]

I used Math 109 as my sign kung lilipat ako o hindi. Eh sobrang naaliw ako sa math 109, kaya yun tinuloy ko na.

hmmm...sken nde naging applicable ...depende kung sino naging teacher sa m109...sa case ko kasi wala kwenta teacher ko e...pero tinuloy ko pa din wala na choice e...hehehe

[ubermensch]

anu ba mas magandang itake? BS Math ng UP or Accountancy ng UST? need your advice... thanks!:)

I don't know kung may makakasagot nito. Mahirap mag-compare. Depende iyan sa gusto mo na lang talaga malamang.

[tubong_batasan]

anu ba mas magandang itake? BS Math ng UP or Accountancy ng UST?

(I'm Biased). Take BS Math.

[aspiringentrepr]

I am BS Mathematics from Ateneo De Manila, as in pure Math.

I first worked as an underwriter of distressed assets in a multinational asset management firm perhaps lucky brought me there.

Now, I'm connected with a BPO firm as a Research Analyst (Staff Extension).

The best careers in math are: Actuarial Science and Certified Financial Analysts (CFAs).

[tRiStAn]

I thought the same thing when I chose BS Math --that I'll end up teaching. It turned out there are a lot of wonderful options. Actuarial Science is one of them. ;p

[Noodles_Oblique]

May tanong lang ako... totoo bang walang magandang trabaho ang graduates n BS Math bukod sa pagiging teacher? O kung meron man, iilan *** ang kailangan? Penge naman ng info especially sa mga BS Math graduates kc mejo naguguluhan ako sa course kong ito eh. salamat.



Actuary to an insurance company, starting pay is already promising since you will be under office of the president (most of i know) and then everytime that you will pass an exam you get promoted until you get a fellow already and fellow usually is considered under VP rank
:)

[Warwick Leyte]

anu ba mas magandang itake? BS Math ng UP or Accountancy ng UST? need your advice... thanks!:)

If you want to be an accountant, go for UST. But if you're asking which between the two carries more weight in the financial and banking industry or in the corporate world in general, I would have to say the BS Math of UPd.

[Lyds]

wala akong ka amor2 sa math.

[ubermensch]

wala akong ka amor2 sa math.

hahaha. ayos lang. you're not in the minority. :rotflmao:

[giansamson2006]

When I was checking the course list in the UPCAT form, I did consider BS Math. Kaso nga naisip ko na baka makulong lang sa academe ang career choices ko. Now, I'm thinking of getting a double degree in Computer Science ('yung kinukuha ko ngayon) and Mathematics. I was told na 1 year lang daw ang idadagdag, though I am not sure which subjects I should take.

[math_techie]

^ I'm not sure kung 1 year lang ang idadag. Kase you'll need to take Math 109-->Math 110.1--> Math 110.2 in succession, then you'll also need to take Math 123.1--> Math 123.2--> Math 128 in that order. My suggestion to you is for you to finish your BS CS degree, and then mag MS Math ka.

[iRebirth]

Also, if I'm not mistaken, walang "double degree" sa UP.

[-jps-]

ano ba pinag iba ng math ng BS MATH sa engineering Math maliban sa shortcut??

[math_techie]

people at Math will tell you that engineering math is not really math...kasi gagamitan mo lang siya ng formula....hehehehe..

In Engg kasi you study math as a tool to solve the engineering problems, on the other hand, in BS Math, we study Mathematics as a logical system of axioms and theorems...not necessarily for the good of humanity

[la_flash]

people at Math will tell you that engineering math is not really math...kasi gagamitan mo lang siya ng formula....hehehehe..

In Engg kasi you study math as a tool to solve the engineering problems, on the other hand, in BS Math, we study Mathematics as a logical system of axioms and theorems...not necessarily for the good of humanity

I have to agree with this to some extent...

However, at some level, our math profs would treat us as math majors...

Though, they (math profs) would never give us the "formula" outright, but they would always try to derive this formula on the board.

But, if we're talking about the math in engineering sciences, yeah... minsan formula na lang ang ibinibigay. Masuwerte lang kami dahil ang naging prof ko sa mga engineering sciences (Advanced engg mathematics, Numerical analysis, etc) ay mga nagtapos na ng MS Math... marami ka talagang matutunan.

Although, wala namang masama kung formula na lang ang ibibigay... :lol:

[math_techie]

To be more detailed, in UP, there is a course Math 110.2 (Abstract Algebra 2) and Math 114 (Linear Algebra). 110.2 is taken by Math majors, while 114 is taken by Engg students. Both are courses in Linear Algebra...what's the difference?

in 114, they start looking at Matrices, they are taught how to compute for inverses, determinants. They are also taught how to diagalize matrices, take eigen values, etc...some teachers may put more rigor by deriving each of the methods that are used. The main focus of the course is to teach students how to solve linear systems.

in 110.2, the first topic is Vector Spaces, they define what Vector spaces are, subspaces, dimension, basis...etc...then they introduce the concept of space of matrices as a sample vector space. They will then transform from the concept of Matrices, to the concept of Linear Transformations, tapos yung mga topics na diniscuss sa 114 such as inverses, determinants,...etc...ituturo din yan sa 110.2 pero ang focus is not to solve for those things, pero to show na yung mga concept na yun ay pwede ring gamitin sa mga Linear transformations, etc...

when you want to find the inverse of a matrix...find an engineer, if you want to know if the inverse exists...find a mathematician :)

[ubermensch]

^ that reminds me of differential equations courses. i have two friends - a math major and an engineering student. the former took a DE elective and was taught theorems and results regarding the existence of solutions of DEs. the latter on the other hand took a DE course and learned techniques how to solve DEs.

to borrow math_techie's last line above, if you want to solve a differential equation, find an engineer. if you want to know if a differential equation has a solution (and what kind of solution), find a mathematician. :)

[physicist]

T
when you want to find the inverse of a matrix...find an engineer, if you want to know if the inverse exists...find a mathematician :)

And if you want to know why you'd ever want to do either, find yourself a physicist. ;)

Shameless, I know.

[yoroshikuonegai]

hindi totoo na walang trabaho ang mga bs math :) Usually math majors get into banking or IT since sa banking kailangan analytic ka (a math skill) and sa IT kailangan marunong ka ng logic (math skill too). Kung ako employer sa isang IT company siyempre kailangan ko talaga unang una yung mautak and matalino, and a BS Math graduate with high grades does the trick :)

[light-emitting]

Ibang-iba talaga ang Engineering Math sa Math Math (:lol:). Applications-oriented ang Engineering Math. :)

To be more detailed, in UP, there is a course Math 110.2 (Abstract Algebra 2) and Math 114 (Linear Algebra). 110.2 is taken by Math majors, while 114 is taken by Engg students. Both are courses in Linear Algebra...what's the difference?

in 114, they start looking at Matrices, they are taught how to compute for inverses, determinants. They are also taught how to diagalize matrices, take eigen values, etc...some teachers may put more rigor by deriving each of the methods that are used. The main focus of the course is to teach students how to solve linear systems.

in 110.2, the first topic is Vector Spaces, they define what Vector spaces are, subspaces, dimension, basis...etc...then they introduce the concept of space of matrices as a sample vector space. They will then transform from the concept of Matrices, to the concept of Linear Transformations, tapos yung mga topics na diniscuss sa 114 such as inverses, determinants,...etc...ituturo din yan sa 110.2 pero ang focus is not to solve for those things, pero to show na yung mga concept na yun ay pwede ring gamitin sa mga Linear transformations, etc...

when you want to find the inverse of a matrix...find an engineer, if you want to know if the inverse exists...find a mathematician :)

Grabe, for an engineering student like me, I find Math 114 extremely abstract. Tama si math_techie. Nagstart kami sa matrices -- babali-baligtarin mo lahat ng tungkol sa matrices. Masakit na sa ulo yung after nun, yung linear transformations and vector spaces (yep, meron kami sa 114). Kasi unlike integrals and differentials, sobrang hindi mo alam kung saan mo matatagpuan ang mga vector spaces at eigenvalues.:grrr:

^ that reminds me of differential equations courses. i have two friends - a math major and an engineering student. the former took a DE elective and was taught theorems and results regarding the existence of solutions of DEs. the latter on the other hand took a DE course and learned techniques how to solve DEs.

to borrow math_techie's last line above, if you want to solve a differential equation, find an engineer. if you want to know if a differential equation has a solution (and what kind of solution), find a mathematician. :)

Math 121.1 and 121.2 yung differentials. Masaya siya, kasi problem solving nga talaga. From the barbaric method to Laplace transforms. Favorite Math ko yan so far. ;)

[iRebirth]

on a slightly off-topic note, can't the UP Math Department re-name Math 110.2 as "Linear Algebra with Proofs" or "Proof-based Linear Algebra." ?? The term "Abstract Algebra" is used quite arbitrarily in the academe and if you're not from UP, you have no way of knowing the coverage of the course based on the transcript alone.

[ubermensch]

on a slightly off-topic note, can't the UP Math Department re-name Math 110.2 as "Linear Algebra with Proofs" or "Proof-based Linear Algebra." ?? The term "Abstract Algebra" is used quite arbitrarily in the academe and if you're not from UP, you have no way of knowing the coverage of the course based on the transcript alone.

I doubt there's anybody from UP Math listening on us right now. But just the same, I think that's a good point. I was bemused with the apparent "mismatch" between the course title and content, but thought that it's not my place to suggest such a change.

Standards-wise, the word "Proof" is seldom used with Math course titles, even for purposes of distinction, since it would be a slippery slope to making sure all courses which are proof intensive have the word "Proof" in their title.

Here are what we're using in my school (the second in each pair is the more theoretical course):

MA 511 - Linear Algebra with Applications
MA 554 - Linear Algebra

MA 525 - Introduction to Complex Analysis
MA 530 - Functions of a Complex Variable

So maybe we can rename MA 114 to "Linear Algebra with Applications" or "Introduction to Linear Algebra" and MA 110.2 to just "Linear Algebra". Calling the latter "Abstract Algebra 2" doesn't do justice to Linear Algebra as a field of its own.

[math_techie]

^ Math 110.2, though it discusses Linear Algebra is not a Linear Algebra course. It is a course on Vector Spaces (or some would call them Linear Spaces), its properties, etc...kaya lang naman pumapasok ang Matrices sa 110.2 its because example ng VS yung Matrices.

Linear Algebra is a course on solving Linear Systems eh...on the other hand 110.2 is not a course on solving Linear Systems. believe it or not, I passed 110.2 without having to know how to find the inverse of a matrix :)

When we say Abstract Algebra or Higher Algebra, it is the study of abstract Algebraic structures. in 110.1, the focus is on Groups. In 110.2 the focus is on Vector Spaces, 110.3 is on Rings and Fields.

[kpsantos1]

Napansin ko kasi sa mga math subjects sa up, they are very theoretical. yung iba napaka deterministic ng approach na sa totoong buhay naman ay hindi maaapply. usually, math undergrads pursue actuarial science or financial mathematics.

[tanpearl]

Napansin ko kasi sa mga math subjects sa up, they are very theoretical. yung iba napaka deterministic ng approach na sa totoong buhay naman ay hindi maaapply. usually, math undergrads pursue actuarial science or financial mathematics.

san ba kadalasan nagwowork ang mga UP math undergrads? since very theoretical ang subjects. tsaka may opportunity ba for them to land on a good paying jobs?

[kjsingh]

Shameless plug: I'm hearing a lot of good things from the Applied Mathematical Finance program of Ateneo. If you're good enough to get into that then great! Problem solved. That program promises to be a breeding ground for future multi-millionaires. People in that area get the best-paying starting jobs here in the US.

Hear this: My friend got paid $160,000 in his first year as a quant, which is still quite low he says because he came in with no experience. (When he told me this, I wanted to kill him!) Just to give you as sense of how much that is, compare that with what starting nurses here make, which is around $40,000-$45,000 a year.

Perhaps it's time for Filipinos to start moving to Math en masse. Just a thought. :)

hi. im an applied math (AMF) major from ateneo (the course mentioned here). i really really love math but out of sheer practicality, i took up applied math. yes, i do know people who earn a lot (and when i say "a lot", think of it as the large "N" in the definition of limits at infinity. :lol: ) in their work upon graduation from my course.

AMF is the only program in the philippines which uses stochastic calculus (stochastic processes) in financial analysis (valuation of options, stock price modeling, martingales and submartingales, PDEs of derivatives, etc). thus, wala kaming kakumpetensya AS OF NOW. its also nice that its a BS/MS program. :) the bad thing is, mathematical finance is a very new field. a comprehensive and well-defined mathematical finance was developed not earlier than 1997 kasi nun lang nirecognize as nobel prize winners ang nag-model ng black-scholes PDE (model for derivative valuation using stochastic processes). so usually ang AMF grads namin sa singapore or NY pumapasok kasi dun may demand... sa phils meron din kaso multinationals lang (ING, HSBC, etc) kasi hindi naman gumagamit ng math finance ang local banks as of the moment...

now to hit the nail on its head: i think BS math is the best way to land in an actuary career. i sooooooooo want to be an actuary kaso hindi naman yata ako papasa dun sa exams nun (yung may levels levels). yun kasi yung magdedetermine ng salary increase mo sabi ng friends ko na BS math...

ang setback lang na naisip ko, hindi well-paying job ang actuary sa philippines. sa US, grabe super to-die-for sweldo ng actuaries! sa pilipinas ambaba ng starting pay. pero exponential naman ang growth dahil sa exams. *okay* di kasi uso ang insurances sa pinas di kagaya sa US... pero ansarap siguro maging actuary... :depressed:

[math_techie]

the problem I have with studying Mathematical Finance is I won't be able to use it here in the Philippines (unless I land a job at the ADB). The stock market in the philippines kasi is full of economists/accountants eh. Iilan lang ba ang mathematicians dyan?. I agree local banks do not use mathematical finance in the valuation of their assets, they are still dependent on the old DCF model.

So yun, sana the more mathematical finance graduates(BS/MS in Ateneo, MS in UPD), eh matransform ang landscape natin dito sa Pilipinas, although I think it will take a generation more before mathematicians conquer the financial world.

Regarding dun sa theoretical ang courses sa UP Math. I agree. BS Mathematics is not an applied mathematics course, kaya medyo theoretical yung approach sa kanya.

With regards to the MS Math Finance program, it is noticeable na karamihan sa mga courses na kinukuha ng mga MS Math-Fin students are also courses that are being taken by MS Math students. They also take Real Analysis (220), Linear Algebra (211), Probability Theory, Numerical Analysis (271). This is because the IM wants to strengthen the mathematical foundation of these Math-Fin students, since marami din naman sa kanila na hindi BS Math ang tinapos.

[aspiringentrepr]

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[lelouchzero]

If you want to be an accountant, go for UST. But if you're asking which between the two carries more weight in the financial and banking industry or in the corporate world in general, I would have to say the BS Math of UPd.

Yun pala ang ibig kong sabihin. Salamat sa pagcorrect. Anu nga ba ang better choice? UPD Math or UST Accountancy?

[alephnull]

Hi there. BS Math student din ako, and katulad mo, hindi ko pa din alam kung anong patutunguhan ng buhay ko. :p
Actually, matagal ko nang iniisip magshift. Habang nagtatake pa lang ako ng CS 11. Naaliw kasi ako dun eh. Parang, feeling ko pang ComSci ata ako. Pero love ko pa din naman ang Math. Naaliw din naman ako sa 109.
Itatry ko magshift ngayon. Kung hindi matanggap, okay lang. Sign na yun na tutuloy na ko sa Math. Mag Mamasters na lang ako, para maganda ang future ko. Hahaha. :)

[tanpearl]

Hi there. BS Math student din ako, and katulad mo, hindi ko pa din alam kung anong patutunguhan ng buhay ko. :p
Actually, matagal ko nang iniisip magshift. Habang nagtatake pa lang ako ng CS 11. Naaliw kasi ako dun eh. Parang, feeling ko pang ComSci ata ako. Pero love ko pa din naman ang Math. Naaliw din naman ako sa 109.
Itatry ko magshift ngayon. Kung hindi matanggap, okay lang. Sign na yun na tutuloy na ko sa Math. Mag Mamasters na lang ako, para maganda ang future ko. Hahaha. :)

ako rin katulad niyo. hehe. ako naman fresie pa lang kaso hindi ko talaga alam kung saan din ako tutungo kung papalarin na makatapos ako. hehe. kasi lahat ng naeencounter ko pag ka sinabi kong bs math ako sinasabi sa akin kung gusto ko daw ba mag teacher. lalo na yung mga prof ko nung highschool :mecry:

[math_techie]

Hi there. BS Math student din ako, and katulad mo, hindi ko pa din alam kung anong patutunguhan ng buhay ko. :p
Actually, matagal ko nang iniisip magshift. Habang nagtatake pa lang ako ng CS 11. Naaliw kasi ako dun eh. Parang, feeling ko pang ComSci ata ako. Pero love ko pa din naman ang Math. Naaliw din naman ako sa 109.
Itatry ko magshift ngayon. Kung hindi matanggap, okay lang. Sign na yun na tutuloy na ko sa Math. Mag Mamasters na lang ako, para maganda ang future ko. Hahaha. :)

tuloy mo na lang ang math mo, saka ka na lang mag CS kapag grad ka na sa math :), saka computer science is not only CS 11. Baka may mga part ng CS na hindi mo magustuhan.

[followyoudown]

AMF is the only program in the philippines which uses stochastic calculus (stochastic processes) in financial analysis (valuation of options, stock price modeling, martingales and submartingales, PDEs of derivatives, etc). thus, wala kaming kakumpetensya AS OF NOW.

That's actually not true. The MSc Applied Mathematics Program in UPD has a concentration in Math Finance, where you're required to do stochastic calculus, among other things.

That being said, you could also easily take a stochastic calculus course (that is, if you're daring enough) in your undergrad while taking BS Math at UPD. And you will definitely cover some of its applications into math finance.

Oh, and stochastic calculus and stochastic processes aren't really interchangeable terms. So it's a bit of a misnomer to say "stochastic calculus (stochastic processes)".

[Narutofan17]

hi! i am a BS Math graduate from UPD.

Well, one advantage of having taken a degree in math (esp. from UP) is that by the time you are about to graduate, you may choose from a diverse range of industries -- banking, finance, actuarial science, operations research, information and technology and even the academe. It will really depend on where your interests lie.:)

[FleetingMind]

Hi! BS Math graduate from UPD too.

There are jobs for BS Math graduates, for sure. Among my batchmates who graduated in April 2006, most of us had our jobs before July 2006. Some even already had there jobs secured even before graduation.

As for the job opportunities, you can go to banking, academe, IT, government, etc. etc. You can take advantage of the flexibility of UPD BS Math's curriculum in building your careers. Sa dami ng electives, maganda kung pipiliin mo na kung anong nababagay sa gusto mong maging trabaho.

And yes, ibang-iba ang higher math subjects sa nakagisnan nating math *** basic ed. Kaya kung nag-BS Math ka kasi astig ka sa math nung hs, hm, baka maging pahirapan pag dating sa dulo. pero practice lang yan. Nakakaintimidate sa una, pero pag nagamay na, ang saya.

Math117, magaling talaga si Sir Nemenzo. Gwapo pa! Hahaha. Laging mabenta sa registration.

[fernando_hierro]

ako rin bs math upd 16 years ago graduate
finished all 33 units ms applied math - actuarial upd
3 years sa actuarial field
3 years sa treasury risk management
7 years sa trust risk management
1 year sa trust portfolio management
mag 2 years na sa trust risk management and investments
head of trust investments na ako of a small bank
ok ok naman
simple math lang gamit ko
pero natuto ako ng economics sa work na