Top Business Schools in the Philippines

[Young_Proff]

I am a graduate of a university in Mindanao currently employed in a company in Cebu. I'm considering taking up my MBA this year. While browsing for good MBA schools, I came accross this site ( http://www.eduniversal.com/rankings/results/id/169 ) with the following top Business Schools:

AIM
ADMU
DLSU
UP
UST
USC

Let me know your thoughts of the above business schools! :) What do you think of the other provincial business schools? Baka sa province lang talaga ako maka MBA nito.

[silent yet...]

mukhang pati sa business, nagsisimula na ring humataw ang UST. not bad!

[manok00]

I am a graduate of a university in Mindanao currently employed in a company in Cebu. I'm considering taking up my MBA this year. While browsing for good MBA schools, I came accross this site ( http://www.eduniversal.com/rankings/results/id/169 ) with the following top Business Schools:

AIM
ADMU
DLSU
UP
UST
USC

Let me know your thoughts of the above business schools! :) What do you think of the other provincial business schools? Baka sa province lang talaga ako maka MBA nito.

What spend your money by going to these schools in NCR and you get the same recognition or value at the premier MBA schools in the provinces.

Try

Mindanao State University - Iligan Campus
Ateneo de Davao - Davao City
University of the Philippines in the Visayas - Iloilo
Xavier University
Siliman University

[Young_Proff]

What spend your money by going to these schools in NCR and you get the same recognition or value at the premier MBA schools in the provinces.

Try

Mindanao State University - Iligan Campus
Ateneo de Davao - Davao City
University of the Philippines in the Visayas - Iloilo
Xavier University
Siliman University

Since nasa Cebu nalang din ako (bago lang ako dito), I'm actually thinking of either University of San Carlos-Cebu (the only provincial school listed among the top business schools in the country in my first post) or UP Cebu, pwede ring Silliman. What do you think?

[3Y3-0p3N3R]

try Saint Louis University in Baguio City. It's a CHED "Center of Development" for Business and Management as wel as Engineering and Architecture. It also produces top notchers in board exams for various courses. Visit http://www.slu.edu.ph

[anna_addict]

RECOMMENDATION RATE

TOP Business Schools (internationally known)
01. AIM - Asian Institute of Management 217 %

EXCELLENT Business Schools (nationally strong and/or with continental links)
01. De La Salle University 108 %
02. Ateneo de Manila University 89 %
03. University of the Philippines (UP) 68 %

GOOD Business Schools (with regional influence)
01. University of Santo Tomas 20 %

LOCAL References (with great local influence)
01. University of San Carlos 19 %

well, i'd recommend AIM, DLSU, and ADMU, if you'd want to take your MBA here in the Philippines. mataas kasi yung promotional rate after graduation, and may significant increase sa salary mo after graduating from these schools.

if you have extra cash, i highly recommend AIM. AIM is known as the Harvard of the East. it was establsihed in consortium with Harvard University, De La Salle University - Manila and Ateneo de Manila University. so, you'd get to experience a fushion of western and eastern teaching and methodologies.

[anna_addict]

What spend your money by going to these schools in NCR and you get the same recognition or value at the premier MBA schools in the provinces.

Try

Mindanao State University - Iligan Campus
Ateneo de Davao - Davao City
University of the Philippines in the Visayas - Iloilo
Xavier University
Siliman University


siguro for other courses such as sociology, marine biology, forestry and agriculture, same recognition or value siya with the top universities in NCR. but in business/corporate world, AIM, DLSU and ADMU, and binibigyan ng priority. and in most cases, mas binibigyan sila ng value ng companies compared to graduates of other schools. check mo na rin yung profile ng mga CEO's, Managers, etc ng companies sa Philippines. pansinin mo, most of them took their MBA from AIM, DLSU, or ADMU.

[manok00]

Since nasa Cebu nalang din ako (bago lang ako dito), I'm actually thinking of either University of San Carlos-Cebu (the only provincial school listed among the top business schools in the country in my first post) or UP Cebu, pwede ring Silliman. What do you think?

Any of those 3 schools are good. USC I think will do. Only in NCR where the top-brass are graduates of AIM, DLSU and ADMU MBA kasi kaya nila, syempre they have their own corporations.

[paralusi]

the Philippine Military Academy.

*okay*

[KuyaDanny]

Agree with PMA. Full scholarships for all students. 100% placement rate for graduates. Guaranteed job security. And above all, demonstrated success in entrepreneurship and business endeavors.

[manok00]

Not just that, you are also full scholarships if you get MBA from gov't universities like one example is Sen. Trillanes

[LT]

Agree with PMA. Full scholarships for all students. 100% placement rate for graduates. Guaranteed job security. And above all, demonstrated success in entrepreneurship and business endeavors.

KD,

Old joke na 'to ah. Mejo negative nga lang sa slant hehe

[KuyaDanny]

OK lang. Mabuti na yung alam ng mga tao ang options nila. :D

[paralusi]

the PMA is also the way to go if you dream of becoming the DPWH secretary someday.

saan ka pa?

[LT]

^^:lol:

^UP. D'yan si Vigilar, Consunji et al. di ba?:D

[ulrick_1]

Why UST got only 20%? Business courses in UST are relatively equivalent to UP. Is that source is credible?

[KuyaDanny]

A source is only credible if you believe it. ;)

[Kirkegaard]

So, naniniwala ba kayo kay anna_addict? :lol:

[Juntrix]

Why UST got only 20%? Business courses in UST are relatively equivalent to UP. Is that source is credible?

As far as undergrauate studies are concerned, we cannot compare UST to UP. UP's BSBAA program is not the same as UST's BSA. UP's BA program is not the same with UST's because the UST BA Program offers majors such as Marketing, Finance, Human Resource and Economics.

:)

[fattybearyus]

UST's business school is not even at Level 3 accreditation.

MBA, Aim is probably the best. While in Economics, UA&P is the best.

Ofcourse the big 3 schools are also commendable. ADMU, DLSU, and UP. Matanong ko lang. How much ba ang budget mo?

[Juntrix]

UST's business school is not even at Level 3 accreditation.


Ooops! :D

Although UST's Business programs do no hold a level 3 accreditation, it is still one of the most respected business schools in the country, as evidenced by the COD status given by CHED and it's consistent high passing percentage (#1 in passing rate for category A for the last 10 years for the October season) in the CPA licensure examinations.

In my previous post, I never mentioned that UST is better than UP or vice versa, they are just not comparable. Same goes with Ateneo and DLSU.

Ateneo does not offer a BSA program. UST doesn't offer management like Ateneo.

DLSU offers management and not Business administration. DLSU is also #1 in passing percentage in the CPA board exams, but I'm not sure with the trend.

Peace. :)

[KuyaDanny]

Folks,

TS is looking for a place to earn an MBA. Discussions about bachelor's degree programs belong elsewhere.

[anna_addict]

Why UST got only 20%? Business courses in UST are relatively equivalent to UP. Is that source is credible?

So, naniniwala ba kayo kay anna_addict? :lol:

hello, hindi naman ako gumawa ng survey na yan! it's here: http://www.eduniversal.com/rankings/results/id/169

hay naku ha! don't start a fight! wala akong pakialam sa UST at wala akong balak alamin ano meron sa school ninyo! :grrr: 1000 business school deans from AROUND THE WORLD ang sumagot sa survey! hindi ako or kahit sinu-sino lang na tao.

[anna_addict]

Ooops! :D

Although UST's Business programs do no hold a level 3 accreditation, it is still one of the most respected business schools in the country, as evidenced by the COD status given by CHED and it's consistent high passing percentage (#1 in passing rate for category A for the last 10 years for the October season) in the CPA licensure examinations.

In my previous post, I never mentioned that UST is better than UP or vice versa, they are just not comparable. Same goes with Ateneo and DLSU.

Ateneo does not offer a BSA program. UST doesn't offer management like Ateneo.

DLSU offers management and not Business administration. DLSU is also #1 in passing percentage in the CPA board exams, but I'm not sure with the trend.

Peace. :)

anu ba mga tao dito???? MBA pinaguusapan!

[Juntrix]

^As for UST's MBA Program, I think most of those who are taking up MBA at UST are educators. Student body is reasonably diverse because a portion of those who are taking up MBA came from other countries (They took up commerce/ecclesiastical/humanitarian/social studies for their undegraduate degree, then an MBA).

UST's MBA program may not be as prominent as that of AIM and UP, but I can safely assume that UST-MBA belongs to the top 10 MBA schools here in the Philippines. :)

[ulrick_1]

As far as undergrauate studies are concerned, we cannot compare UST to UP. UP's BSBAA program is not the same as UST's BSA. UP's BA program is not the same with UST's because the UST BA Program offers majors such as Marketing, Finance, Human Resource and Economics.

:)

Thanks for the explanation. I'm just wondering how these business courses put an edge to DLSU and ADMU over UST in terms of University Ranking here in the Philippines. I mean nothing bad about that, just to express my POV.

[TheEndofDays]

Your'e right the TS is looking for a school to earn an MBA maybe with a less budget to enter the Big 3. Since he is on the province he might as well maximize his options. USC is the nearest.

[Juntrix]

anu ba mga tao dito???? MBA pinaguusapan!

I think the topic should be changed to "TOP MBA SCHOOLS", for B-SCHOOLS include undergraduate business programs as well.

Oh huwag ka magagalit...

[Kirkegaard]

hello, hindi naman ako gumawa ng survey na yan! it's here: http://www.eduniversal.com/rankings/results/id/169




Hello, then you should have indicated so in your earlier post. Cite your sources properly next time, dear. For your sake and ours.

[n3X]

First off, ano ba goal mo with an MBA? Matching lang din yan nung quality nung degree and gusto mo ma-accomplish. Although I would always say na go for the best, malay mo kung anong opportunities pa bumukas diba?

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Graduate Programs

As for the Top Business Schools ranking, parang hindi reliable yung data kasi its based on recommendations. Rankings na may objective info problemado na nga e, ito pa kaya. Anyway, asa baba yung 2000 rankings ng Asiaweek. Its been a decade na rin pero I dont think much has changed except for Ateneo's inclusion.

Asiaweek Rankings 2000

Best Full Time Program
3. AIM 3.59
24. UP CBA 2.38
29. DLSU 2.21

Best Part Time
10. UP CBA 66.74
24. DLSU 54.94

Best Executive
1. AIM 80.43

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On Undergraduate Programs

Comparable naman yung programs, like how could you say na iba yung management and business administration? E pareho lang yun e. It also doesnt necessarily follow na dahil walang degree program yung isang school, one cannot compare. For example, in finance and accounting compets, mas magaling Ateneo students kesa DLSU and UST. Pero wala silang accountancy course. If I were to rank notable specializations per school, if it be would as follows:

Accountancy
UP > DLSU > Ateneo

Entrepreneurship
Ateneo only

Finance
UP > Ateneo

Marketing
UP > Ateneo > DLSU > UA&P

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Then UA&P Economics is the best? Nalagpasan pa Ateneo Econ and UP Econ? E UP Econ nga, sandamakmak na econ planners galing dun, and it holds the only Econ COE. Sana we base our statements not only on perceptions but kahit at least din with personal experiences, news and facts na kahit hindi perfect yung statement e mas reliable kesa sa pagtingin lang talaga.

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And I think medyo (lang) may relevance naman din discussion ng undergrad programs, because, except for Ateneo and AIM, yung major schools, mas lalo yung based sa provinces, also use the same undergrad faculty for graduate programs. Malay natin he's looking for specializations.

[anna_addict]

^As for UST's MBA Program, I think most of those who are taking up MBA at UST are educators. Student body is reasonably diverse because a portion of those who are taking up MBA came from other countries (They took up commerce/ecclesiastical/humanitarian/social studies for their undegraduate degree, then an MBA).

UST's MBA program may not be as prominent as that of AIM and UP, but I can safely assume that UST-MBA belongs to the top 10 MBA schools here in the Philippines. :)

i think hindi naman pwede maging dahilan ang selection ng students such as educators sila or non-business undergrad degree holders. kahit rin naman sa AIM, DLSU, ADMU, even UP hindi lahat business-related ang undergrad degree ng mga kumukuha ng MBA. karamihan din sa kanila ended up being educators. a classic example is yung current president ng FEU. lahat na schools diverse.

aside from quality and teaching methodologies, diba kung mas maraming foreigners, ibig sabihin mas mataas ang recommendation rate and reputation globally? :bop: katulad nung sa AIM, karamihan sa students nila foreign nationals, which means na na-impress sila sa reputation ng MBA nila.

and... wala namang nagsabi na pangit MBA ng UST ah... hindi rin ito yung point ng topic.

[anna_addict]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm just wondering how these business courses put an edge to DLSU and ADMU over UST in terms of University Ranking here in the Philippines. I mean nothing bad about that, just to express my POV.

hay naku, ask mo na lang CHED kung anu criteria nila! may ginawa silang ranking on B-schools here in the philippines. baka isipin na naman ng mga tao gawa-gawa ng ranking/self-proclaimed ang mga top B-schools dito sa pinas.

I think the topic should be changed to "TOP MBA SCHOOLS", for B-SCHOOLS include undergraduate business programs as well.

Oh huwag ka magagalit...

OMG! nabasa mo ba yung sinabi ng threadstarter? heading lang yung "TOP MBA SCHOOLS" to catch attention to the thread. ang main point niya was to ask kung saan siya kukuha ng MBA with budget and location as BIG FACTORS. tapos nagsite din siya ng websource based on the recommendation of "1000 DEANS OF BUSINESS SCHOOLS AROUND THE WORLD" which i reposted above. humingi lang siya ng opinion kung ok ba sa PROVINCE or NCR mag MBA.

hay naku, kung yung intention mo is to rank B-SCHOOLS here in the Philippines, start a new thread. hindi naman ito yung intention ng threadstarter in the first place. please read the first post, if you may.:bop:

ang daming off-topic!:hmm:

[anna_addict]

First off, ano ba goal mo with an MBA? Matching lang din yan nung quality nung degree and gusto mo ma-accomplish. Although I would always say na go for the best, malay mo kung anong opportunities pa bumukas diba?

--

Graduate Programs

As for the Top Business Schools ranking, parang hindi reliable yung data kasi its based on recommendations. Rankings na may objective info problemado na nga e, ito pa kaya. Anyway, asa baba yung 2000 rankings ng Asiaweek. Its been a decade na rin pero I dont think much has changed except for Ateneo's inclusion.

Asiaweek Rankings 2000

Best Full Time Program
3. AIM 3.59
24. UP CBA 2.38
29. DLSU 2.21

Best Part Time
10. UP CBA 66.74
24. DLSU 54.94

Best Executive
1. AIM 80.43

---

On Undergraduate Programs

Comparable naman yung programs, like how could you say na iba yung management and business administration? E pareho lang yun e. It also doesnt necessarily follow na dahil walang degree program yung isang school, one cannot compare. For example, in finance and accounting compets, mas magaling Ateneo students kesa DLSU and UST. Pero wala silang accountancy course. If I were to rank notable specializations per school, if it be would as follows:

Accountancy
UP > DLSU > Ateneo

Entrepreneurship
Ateneo only

Finance
UP > Ateneo

Marketing
UP > Ateneo > DLSU > UA&P

---

Then UA&P Economics is the best? Nalagpasan pa Ateneo Econ and UP Econ? E UP Econ nga, sandamakmak na econ planners galing dun, and it holds the only Econ COE. Sana we base our statements not only on perceptions but kahit at least din with personal experiences, news and facts na kahit hindi perfect yung statement e mas reliable kesa sa pagtingin lang talaga.

---

And I think medyo (lang) may relevance naman din discussion ng undergrad programs, because, except for Ateneo and AIM, yung major schools, mas lalo yung based sa provinces, also use the same undergrad faculty for graduate programs. Malay natin he's looking for specializations.

ok lang naman sana magsource ng site, pero sana yung updated naman! may binigay yung threadstarter, more on recommendation of b-school deans around the world, click here: http://www.eduniversal.com/rankings/results/id/169. tapos yung main point was to ask kung saan pwede kumuha ng MBA considering na limited budget and location niya. yun lang.

now, he's considering USC, so no need na to make up those long comments or observations of B-Schools. nasagot na rin ng TS yung question niya.

[anna_addict]

First off, ano ba goal mo with an MBA? Matching lang din yan nung quality nung degree and gusto mo ma-accomplish. Although I would always say na go for the best, malay mo kung anong opportunities pa bumukas diba?

--

Graduate Programs

As for the Top Business Schools ranking, parang hindi reliable yung data kasi its based on recommendations. Rankings na may objective info problemado na nga e, ito pa kaya. Anyway, asa baba yung 2000 rankings ng Asiaweek. Its been a decade na rin pero I dont think much has changed except for Ateneo's inclusion.

Asiaweek Rankings 2000

Best Full Time Program
3. AIM 3.59
24. UP CBA 2.38
29. DLSU 2.21

Best Part Time
10. UP CBA 66.74
24. DLSU 54.94

Best Executive
1. AIM 80.43

---

On Undergraduate Programs

Comparable naman yung programs, like how could you say na iba yung management and business administration? E pareho lang yun e. It also doesnt necessarily follow na dahil walang degree program yung isang school, one cannot compare. For example, in finance and accounting compets, mas magaling Ateneo students kesa DLSU and UST. Pero wala silang accountancy course. If I were to rank notable specializations per school, if it be would as follows:

Accountancy
UP > DLSU > Ateneo

Entrepreneurship
Ateneo only

Finance
UP > Ateneo

Marketing
UP > Ateneo > DLSU > UA&P

---

Then UA&P Economics is the best? Nalagpasan pa Ateneo Econ and UP Econ? E UP Econ nga, sandamakmak na econ planners galing dun, and it holds the only Econ COE. Sana we base our statements not only on perceptions but kahit at least din with personal experiences, news and facts na kahit hindi perfect yung statement e mas reliable kesa sa pagtingin lang talaga.

---

And I think medyo (lang) may relevance naman din discussion ng undergrad programs, because, except for Ateneo and AIM, yung major schools, mas lalo yung based sa provinces, also use the same undergrad faculty for graduate programs. Malay natin he's looking for specializations.

anu ba itong source mo? WALANG FULL-TIME MBA ang DLSU! baka inimbento mo ito. may deal na ginawa ang ATENEO, LA SALLE and AIM. first, AIM was established in collaboration with ADMU, DLSU, and HARVARD. ang deal - AIM would be offering FULL-TIME MBA; and ATENEO and DLSU would be offering PART-TIME MBA lang. although may full-time ang ATENO with REGIS university, it's another program naman yun. kaya PART-TIME lahat ng MBA programs ng DLSU!

tapos ang weird ng comment mo... so in almost 10 years, walang improvement sa B-schools sa pinas kaya retain the ranking? grabe ha? kakaiba ka.

[Juntrix]

i think hindi naman pwede maging dahilan ang selection ng students such as educators sila or non-business undergrad degree holders. kahit rin naman sa AIM, DLSU, ADMU, even UP hindi lahat business-related ang undergrad degree ng mga kumukuha ng MBA. karamihan din sa kanila ended up being educators. a classic example is yung current president ng FEU. lahat na schools diverse.

aside from quality and teaching methodologies, diba kung mas maraming foreigners, ibig sabihin mas mataas ang recommendation rate and reputation globally? :bop: katulad nung sa AIM, karamihan sa students nila foreign nationals, which means na na-impress sila sa reputation ng MBA nila.

and... wala namang nagsabi na pangit MBA ng UST ah... hindi rin ito yung point ng topic.

The diversity that I'm talking about is a commendation and not a negative remark. Student body diversity is a good thing when you talk about MBA. I just meant that it was a coincidence that most who are taking up MBA st UST are educators who have differend undergraduate backgrounds.

When I talked about undergraduate business programs, you commented. My bad. Now I'm talking about MBA, you commented again that it's not the point of the topic. Is it possible that I'm only suggesting to TS that UST could be one of his options?

Oh huwag mainit ulo mo...

[Juntrix]

Comparable naman yung programs, like how could you say na iba yung management and business administration? E pareho lang yun e. It also doesnt necessarily follow na dahil walang degree program yung isang school, one cannot compare. For example, in finance and accounting compets, mas magaling Ateneo students kesa DLSU and UST. Pero wala silang accountancy course.


Although most people confuse them to be the same, Business Administration is broader than Management. They are not the same. :)

If Business Administration and Management were the same, then AIM is making a huge mistake offering a Master in Business Administration and a Master of Management program separately.

Accountancy as you may know is a program in itself. It includes financial accounting, cost control, quantitative analysis, finance, internal and external audit, taxation, attestation, AIS, and a neck-breaking licensure exam, among others. Accountancy is something that AdMU does not offer, hence one cannot conclusively say that Ateneo is better than DLSU and UST in accounting and finance simply because they won various finance and accounting competitions.

Sorry if this is off-topic. I just want to clarify my point.

[KuyaDanny]

Hataw si Juntrix. :) Mukhang maluwag ngayon sa audit.

[booo99]

Try niyo din Thames Intl Business School[ESA now].

[silent yet...]

to juntrix:


finance, yes, but not accounting competitions. just to clarify!

and is FINEX your basis for such claim?

[n3X]

ok lang naman sana magsource ng site, pero sana yung updated naman! may binigay yung threadstarter, more on recommendation of b-school deans around the world, click here: http://www.eduniversal.com/rankings/results/id/169. tapos yung main point was to ask kung saan pwede kumuha ng MBA considering na limited budget and location niya. yun lang.

now, he's considering USC, so no need na to make up those long comments or observations of B-Schools. nasagot na rin ng TS yung question niya.

Relax ka lang ate. Chill. I was responding to the comments of others. You are not an arbiter who could decide what is relevant or not. Pangalawa, people would think these are off topic, but they're not really off, for one they're related and pangalawa, they're a part of another "conversation." Wag tayong magpakulong sa isang "conversation" lang per thread. Napaka-linear nun. At hindi rin tayo robot. Tao po tayo ate. Natural magkaroon ng mga ganito. Kahit nangyari na ito sa ibang thread, valid na phenomenon ang replication of data and discourse. Kaya relax ka lang. Relevant pa rin mga ito. Besides tingnan din natin yung thread title, hindi ba Top Business Schools ang area of concern? Hindi ibig sabihin concern lang ng thread starter puede dito. Hindi niya pagmamay-ari ang thread. Demokratikong space po ito.

Kaya ko din binigay yung Asiaweek dahil mas reliable ang methodology nito kesa yung recommendations lang ng mga deans ng 1000 business schools. So ano kung deans sila? Hindi na natin puedeng i-question? Tao rin mga yan, mas prone sa error ang subjective surveys na based lang din sa perceptions ng isang group lang. At saka tinignan niyo ba yung method nila mismo? Even some, if not most, school data are incomplete. How about employer feedback? Or research? Although it doesnt necessarily follow, I also would like to ask, bakit hindi pa to nagtetake off sa world press?


tapos ang weird ng comment mo... so in almost 10 years, walang improvement sa B-schools sa pinas kaya retain the ranking? grabe ha? kakaiba ka.

Asiaweek yan ate, almost eight years ago. Actually ako rin nagtataka, kasi alam ko may Ateneo full time sa rankings. I dont know, matagal na rin yun. Well, to answer your question, yeah I think walang significant improvements sa business schools dito sa Pinas. Like I said, Ateneo improved programs pero relative only to local schools. No news from DLSU nor UP. AIM nga e hindi na-renew yung EQUIS dahil sa faculty age, yung governance issue with the faculty and lack of research. Actually UP lang ang may consistent research program and full time faculty sa 4. Even AIM faculty get their PhDs in UP. Ang edge lang nung other 2 is very practitioner based sila and AIM is really excellent in Executive Education (na cause din ng deficiency nila sa EQUIS). UP remains the most rigorous, although lax and complacent yung college.

Although most people confuse them to be the same, Business Administration is broader than Management. They are not the same. :)

If Business Administration and Management were the same, then AIM is making a huge mistake offering a Master in Business Administration and a Master of Management program separately.

Accountancy is something that AdMU does not offer, hence one cannot conclusively say that Ateneo is better than DLSU and UST in accounting and finance simply because they won various finance and accounting competitions.


Pareho lang talaga sila, in the same way that the MBA of American universities are just the same with the MM of European ones. AIM wasn't making a huge mistake. These programs are about the same thing, pero they focus on different aspects of training and deal with various experiences. Hindi ba obvious marketing ploy lang yan to distinguish between two "brands." Natretrace ang commodification ng management education sa pagiging popular ng MBA as the "degree." C'mon! If we follow your line of thinking din, in the first place hindi na dapat mag offer ang Asian Institute of MANAGEMENT ng Master in BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION dahil sabi mo nga broader ang BA kesa Mngt. Institute of Mngt lang pala tapos BA inooffer. E di dapat dun pa lang, you've spotted the biggest mistake of all.

So what if Ateneo offers accountancy courses but not an accountancy major? Does that mean wala ng comparison e kung meron namang fair competitions? Anyway, I wont debate on this further. It is rather futile. But cheers! Sharing ng opinion lang.

[anna_addict]

Although most people confuse them to be the same, Business Administration is broader than Management. They are not the same. :)

If Business Administration and Management were the same, then AIM is making a huge mistake offering a Master in Business Administration and a Master of Management program separately.

Accountancy as you may know is a program in itself. It includes financial accounting, cost control, quantitative analysis, finance, internal and external audit, taxation, attestation, AIS, and a neck-breaking licensure exam, among others. Accountancy is something that AdMU does not offer, hence one cannot conclusively say that Ateneo is better than DLSU and UST in accounting and finance simply because they won various finance and accounting competitions.

Sorry if this is off-topic. I just want to clarify my point.

I AGREE!!! totoo, iba talaga ang accounting with other business programs. totoo rin na different ang MBA and MM. i'm not sure, but i think MM caters to those who hold higher positions and wider experience in business.

[anna_addict]

Asiaweek yan ate, almost eight years ago. Actually ako rin nagtataka, kasi alam ko may Ateneo full time sa rankings. I dont know, matagal na rin yun. Well, to answer your question, yeah I think walang significant improvements sa business schools dito sa Pinas. Like I said, Ateneo improved programs pero relative only to local schools. No news from DLSU nor UP. AIM nga e hindi na-renew yung EQUIS dahil sa faculty age, yung governance issue with the faculty and lack of research. Actually UP lang ang may consistent research program and full time faculty sa 4. Even AIM faculty get their PhDs in UP. Ang edge lang nung other 2 is very practitioner based sila and AIM is really excellent in Executive Education (na cause din ng deficiency nila sa EQUIS). UP remains the most rigorous, although lax and complacent yung college.



Pareho lang talaga sila, in the same way that the MBA of American universities are just the same with the MM of European ones. AIM wasn't making a huge mistake. These programs are about the same thing, pero they focus on different aspects of training and deal with various experiences. Hindi ba obvious marketing ploy lang yan to distinguish between two "brands." Natretrace ang commodification ng management education sa pagiging popular ng MBA as the "degree." C'mon! If we follow your line of thinking din, in the first place hindi na dapat mag offer ang Asian Institute of MANAGEMENT ng Master in BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION dahil sabi mo nga broader ang BA kesa Mngt. Institute of Mngt lang pala tapos BA inooffer. E di dapat dun pa lang, you've spotted the biggest mistake of all.

So what if Ateneo offers accountancy courses but not an accountancy major? Does that mean wala ng comparison e kung meron namang fair competitions? Anyway, I wont debate on this further. It is rather futile. But cheers! Sharing ng opinion lang.

OMG! i'm sorry, but i think you're definitely clueless!!! panu mo nasabi kasama sa ranking sa asiaweek ang AGSB wherein-fact kung titingnan mo yung ginawa na ranking ng asiaweek wala naman talaga Ateneo. now, you're saying nakita mo AGSB sa ranking, tapos sa fulltime program pa? joke time ka! :bop: ilang beses ko na nakita ranking, nakakapagtataka mga pinagsasabi mo.

what do you mean by "Ateneo improved programs pero relative only to local schools"????

AIM faculty took their PhD in UP? check mo nga profile nila sa website. you're saying that AIM is not practitionaer based? :rotflmao: natawa tita ko sa sinabi mo.:rotflmao: nagtataka siya kung anung kababalaghan pinagsasabi mo. kakatapos lang niya sa AIM ng MM.

I'm not sure about UP, if they're offering PhD, malamang it's inclined into research! duh! DLSGSB offers DBA!:bop: they're two different degrees. pero merong PhD in Business ang DLSU-M and the faculty there are in full-time, compared to the DBA program of DLSGSB.

natawa ako sa sinabi mong pareho MM and MBA.hay naku, research ka muna before you blurt out your comment.

regarding your comment sa accountancy - EWAN KO SAYO!:rotflmao: sumakit ulo ko.:rolleyes:

[anna_addict]

Pareho lang talaga sila, in the same way that the MBA of American universities are just the same with the MM of European ones. AIM wasn't making a huge mistake. These programs are about the same thing, pero they focus on different aspects of training and deal with various experiences. Hindi ba obvious marketing ploy lang yan to distinguish between two "brands." Natretrace ang commodification ng management education sa pagiging popular ng MBA as the "degree." C'mon! If we follow your line of thinking din, in the first place hindi na dapat mag offer ang Asian Institute of MANAGEMENT ng Master in BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION dahil sabi mo nga broader ang BA kesa Mngt. Institute of Mngt lang pala tapos BA inooffer. E di dapat dun pa lang, you've spotted the biggest mistake of all.

How are the MBA and MM different? http://www.wsgsb.aim.edu/mod/academics.html


The MBA and MM approaches and content are dramatically different.

The MBA builds a foundation for students' thinking, analytical, and decision-making skills. Students learn "classic" management and business knowledge areas such as control, finance, operations, accounting, strategy, oral and written communication, quantitative methods. Though the MBA prepares students for future general manager positions, we recognize that students may choose specializations in their first job out of the MBA. The program therefore offers finance, marketing, and entrepreneurship "tracks" or majors.

By contrast the MM assumes that students already have foundational management skills, having gone through more years of managerial experience. Note that the MM is not a shorter MBA; it focuses instead on developing students' higher-level adaptive, transformational, and inspirational leadership skills, and strategy formulation and execution skills. The MM program faculty members work in close, mentoring collaboration with students as they learn how to manage change, in parallel to building skills in strategy development, management, and implementation. As a result of this mentoring, the students develop radically new outlooks of themselves, their organizations, and how to cope with a rapidly-changing environment. The students bring these fresh outlooks back to their jobs in preparation for fast-track leadership positions.

While MBA students as a rule tend to be younger than their MM counterparts, the choice of MM or MBA does not necessarily depend on age. Younger students with adequate managerial experience may opt for the leadership and strategic aspects of the MM. Conversely, older students who have no foundational management skills may wish to get these fundamental management skills through the MBA.

[KuyaDanny]

Anna, n3x is generally NOT clueless. He's also mature and understanding, and he will leave you to plan your own voyage of discovery. ;)

[anna_addict]

Anna, n3x is generally NOT clueless. He's also mature and understanding, and he will leave you to plan your own voyage of discovery. ;)

in fairness ha, dahil sa kanya naparesearch ako ng marami. :eek:
yan, kahit anu-ano na tuloy mga pinagbabasa ko regarding B-schools.

[Juntrix]

I think we can just conclude that Business Administration and Management are very similar in most aspects, but are not entirely the same.

Maybe n3x just wants to point out that not people make the distinction between management and administration any more. Besides, they are synonyms when I looked it up in the dictionary. ;)

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About the accountancy issue, let's just say that accounting courses at the Ateneo are above average compared to other schools that do no offer the accountacy program. I've heard from very reliable sources that some of those who teach financial/managerial/cost accounting @ AdMU are not Certified Public Accountants. RA9298 dictates that only CPAs are allowed to teach accounting courses at the undergraduate level. Oh well...

[paralusi]

Sec. 4(c) of RA 9298 states that:

"The practice of accountancy shall include, but not limited to, the following:

x x x

(c) Practice in Education/Academe - shall constitute in a person in an educational institution which involve teaching of accounting, auditing, management advisory services, fianc鬠business law, taxation and other technically related subject: Provided, That members of the Integrated Bar of the Philippines may be allowed to teach business law and taxation subjects."

please correct me if i'm wrong, but i do not see anything in the law which "dictates that only CPAs are allowed to teach accounting courses at the undergraduate level."

[KuyaDanny]

This section might help:

Section 26. Prohibition in the Practice of Accountancy. - No person shall practice accountancy in this country, or use the title "Certified Public Accountant", or use the abbreviated title "CPA" or display or use any title, sign, card, advertisement or other device to indicate such person practices or offers to practice accountancy, or is a certified public accountant, unless such person shall have received from the Board a certificate of registration/Professional license and be issued a professional identification card or a valid temporary/special permit duly issued to him/her by the Board and the Commission.


When used together with the definition of "practice" in Section 4(c), such a conclusion can reasonably be made.

Maybe these non-CPA accounting instructors have "temporary/special permits"? Who knows?

Good thing I completed all my accounting subjects before this law was passed. I took three accounting subjects in college, and none of my professors were CPAs. My finance class was taught by three instructors. They were MBAs, but certainly not CPAs. :( Maybe that explains my general ignorance.

[paralusi]

temporary/special permits are issued to foreign CPAs (Sec. 35).

what is a "certificate of registration"? is this different from a professional license?

[Juntrix]

Although AIM is considered the most noted MBA school in the country, I'd settle for Ateneo-MBA in the future because it's significantly wallet-friendly compared to AIM, plus it's within the Makati area.

temporary/special permits are issued to foreign CPAs (Sec. 35).

what is a "certificate of registration"? is this different from a professional license?

Sec. 4 (A) bullets f. and n. provides the definitions for the CoR and the PRC ID.

The CoR is an actual certificate bearing the PRC seal that you could hang on your walls for bragging purposes. :D

The PRC CPA ID is the actual ID that CPAs carry around... aslo for bragging purposes. :lol:

"CoR : College Diploma" ---- "PRC ID : College Ring"?

:rotflmao:

We are so off-topic... :D

[Larry Tan]

This section might help:



When used together with the definition of "practice" in Section 4(c), such a conclusion can reasonably be made.

Maybe these non-CPA accounting instructors have "temporary/special permits"? Who knows?

Good thing I completed all my accounting subjects before this law was passed. I took three accounting subjects in college, and none of my professors were CPAs. My finance class was taught by three instructors. They were MBAs, but certainly not CPAs. :( Maybe that explains my general ignorance.

Hhmmm, Kuya Danny, parang naaamoy kung kung saang school ka galing, isa lang ang alam kong school na ganyan dito sa Metro Manila, until now, non-CPAs teach accounting subjects in this school. The administrators and teachers seem to be clueless that they are breaking the Accountancy Law.

[KuyaDanny]

Don't worry. They may be teaching accounting subjects, but they're not teaching accounting. :lol:

[n3X]

OMG! i'm sorry, but i think you're definitely clueless!!! panu mo nasabi kasama sa ranking sa asiaweek ang AGSB wherein-fact kung titingnan mo yung ginawa na ranking ng asiaweek wala naman talaga Ateneo. now, you're saying nakita mo AGSB sa ranking, tapos sa fulltime program pa? joke time ka! ilang beses ko na nakita ranking, nakakapagtataka mga pinagsasabi mo.

what do you mean by "Ateneo improved programs pero relative only to local schools"????

AIM faculty took their PhD in UP? check mo nga profile nila sa website. you're saying that AIM is not practitionaer based? :rotflmao: natawa tita ko sa sinabi mo. nagtataka siya kung anung kababalaghan pinagsasabi mo. kakatapos lang niya sa AIM ng MM.

I'm not sure about UP, if they're offering PhD, malamang it's inclined into research! duh! DLSGSB offers DBA!:bop: they're two different degrees. pero merong PhD in Business ang DLSU-M and the faculty there are in full-time, compared to the DBA program of DLSGSB.

natawa ako sa sinabi mong pareho MM and MBA.hay naku, research ka muna before you blurt out your comment.

regarding your comment sa accountancy - EWAN KO SAYO!:rotflmao: sumakit ulo ko.:rolleyes:

Sabog ka ba? Anyway. First, sabi ko akala ko kasama ateneo. Thats what I remember. Hindi perfect ang memory ate. Tandaan nyo po yan. Baka overall business school ranking yun, hindi yung per program. I'm really not sure kaya nga ako nagtataka. In any case, matagal na rin yun.

With ateneo, they have better programs in the sense na they address a lot of segments hindi katulad ng lets say, UP na part time full time nila e its a matter of just academic load per semester. E diba Ateneo may MBA for Middle Managers pa sila, etc.

Oo nga, go ahead, why dont you check kung san kinuha nung some faculty ng AIM doctoral work nila. Go ahead, check their website. And I never said anything na AIM is not practitioner based. Basahin mo kaya ulet. Hello, e di contradictory yun sa sinabi ko about Executive Education diba? Executive Education is super practitioner based, rurok na yun. I'll address yung MM and MBA comments later.

How are the MBA and MM different? http://www.wsgsb.aim.edu/mod/academics.html

The MBA and MM approaches and content are dramatically different.

The MBA builds a foundation for students' thinking, analytical, and decision-making skills. Students learn "classic" management and business knowledge areas such as control, finance, operations, accounting, strategy, oral and written communication, quantitative methods......

Eto yung unnecessary na post. I said na nga e, tingnan mo previous post ko: "These programs are about the same thing pero they focus on different aspects of training and deal with various experiences."

I think we can just conclude that Business Administration and Management are very similar in most aspects, but are not entirely the same.

Maybe n3x just wants to point out that not people make the distinction between management and administration any more. Besides, they are synonyms when I looked it up in the dictionary. ;)

==============

About the accountancy issue, let's just say that accounting courses at the Ateneo are above average compared to other schools that do no offer the accountacy program. I've heard from very reliable sources that some of those who teach financial/managerial/cost accounting @ AdMU are not Certified Public Accountants. RA9298 dictates that only CPAs are allowed to teach accounting courses at the undergraduate level. Oh well...

O! Teka muna, we can't just say, "we can just conclude." Tapos wala pang explanation. Why not, i-draw natin yung line on how they are similar and different.
First, as concepts. Management ultimately comes from the latin Manus which is hand, Administration naman is to be of service. E same banana lang yun diba, kahit top level or subset ka lang. Second, pagdating sa degrees mismo iba iba yan per school, per region, etc. For example, yung MM ng AIM is focused on advanced personnel pero MMs ng Europe e para sa new, inexperienced grads. E kahit MM or BA name ng degree mo, they both have the same philosophy! They both address the same things: planning, organizing, controlling, etc. Unnecessary yang gumagawa pa tayo ng malaking distance between M and BA when theyre basically the same.

Jusko humaba pa usapin doon. Parang intellectual masturbation na lang ito.

As with the professional qualification requirement, I dont think thats wholly valid. Sure it makes simple sense to get someone "qualified" to teach. Pero its not necessary all the time. For example, if one were to teach geology courses pero physics degree niya and hindi siya licensed geologist, ibig sabihin di na siya puede? E paano kung geophysics? The new charter of UP specifically mentions a freedom to do so. So what kung hindi CPAs nagtuturo sa Ateneo? In any case, I wanna close this na, I was just impressed by the huge improvement of Ateneo in FINEX because they worked on their accountancy skills, considering na wala silang major, they were able to leapfrog. And as I've said this discussion is futile because when we extend it na to the level ng CPAs, I doubt it din kung Ateneo is better than other schools. So I concede to that.

Anna, n3x is generally NOT clueless. He's also mature and understanding, and he will leave you to plan your own voyage of discovery. ;)

Kaya bow ako sa yo Kuya Danny e. Idol kitang moderator e! :lol:

[LT]

I think we can just conclude that Business Administration and Management are very similar in most aspects, but are not entirely the same.

Hi, how are they different? Pardon the makulit:D

[no_namer]

I am an alumna of UP-MBA. major thrust is finance. most of my batchmates have degrees in engineering, IT, science-related courses.most of us are employed but are really gearing towards entrepreneurship. One of my professors believes that it is more value adding to the majority, if the class is composed of (but is not limited to ) engineers, individuals with science-related undergrad courses, sociologists rather than just the usual number-crunching guys (myself included :D ). Discussions are more dynamic, insightful and at times amusing and entertaining!
I'm sure that we have various reasons for getting an MBA degree, be it promotion/career advancement, a way to kill time, widen your social circle.
UP-MBA offers a full-time and part-time program. per unit cost is P2,500, 2 units per subject.

[LT]

Oops, natabunan na si TS.

If you want to study in the Visayas (Cebu, in particular), you may want to check out Ateneo (Ayala Business District, Cebu), USC or UP-Cebu.

Good luck on your MBA!*okay*

[Galvantic@STS]

Hi, how are they different? Pardon the makulit:D

ako din, i want to know. i just my uncle's diploma from UE
is says that he finished Bachelor of Science in Business Administration major in Management. :confused:

[Hulk]

Although most people confuse them to be the same, Business Administration is broader than Management. They are not the same. :)

If Business Administration and Management were the same, then AIM is making a huge mistake offering a Master in Business Administration and a Master of Management program separately.




Off-topic lang:

Dude you misunderstand the fine difference between AIM's MBA and MM programs. Here's the difference:

Master in Management - 11 months
Designed as a leadership program. Target market are experienced managers with functional expertise who are looking to get a boost to executive positions. Focus on adaptive and transformative leadership. If you want to learn functional disciplines, this is the wrong program to be in.

Minimum work experience: 6 years; including 3 years managerial experience; should be at least 28 years old

Master in Business Administration - 16 months
Target market are younger guys, normally lacking in functional expertise, who wish to jumpstart their careers. A lot of focus on the development of functional skills (i.e. finance, marketing & operations)

Minimum work experience: 2 years

Before 2004, AIM's MBA used to be called MBM. The main reason for the name change is reducing program name confusion and aligning it with other MBA programs worldwide.


:frank:

[popdips]

I believe DLSU and ADMU nagsimUla ng AIM.
I guess competitive din naman ang UST pagdating sa MBA at Masteral.

[bhochay]

naku nakalimutan na yung thread starter.

i'm currently taking mba-jd sa dlsu-gsb (known before as the de la salle professional schools-graduate school of business). so, i can only speak for dlsu-gsb, i dont want to compare other business schools na hindi ko naman alam kung anong meron dun.

most of the faculty in dlsu-gsb are industry practitioners. i guess other schools' faculty too. though some professors dont have any industry background on their resume. since they teach subjects such as business writing and communication or statistics. many professors hold top positions in big companies such as atty. bautista of the kuok group, dr. orly mercado (former senator), check the website for the faculty listing.

dlsu-gsb holds classes on 3 different campus around the metro; taft (dlsu-manila), makati (rcbc plaza), ortigas (lsgh) and one in la salle-canlubang. in a term you can have a class in either one of them or on all four if you like. i love the atmosphere in dlsu-m since taft is my comfort zone. classes are monday to sat. i think alang friday class; and its from 6 to 915pm. or 830 to 1145 on sat. AM and 130 to 445PM. i also have most of my classes in taft kasi people tends to be friendlier and younger. hehehe parang college block nga kami. you can find us drinking after class sa may plato or sa archers place. hahaha pero it doesnt mean that taft based students are slackers ha. we just mix fun with our studies. and most of the time we talk about our studies and brainstorm during drinking sessions. all campuses have different culture that i can assure.

going on, dlsu-gsb, applies the case study approach in most subjects. this was developed by harvard business school. sa iba bang business school ganito din? the case study method is fun! you get to extract all of those creative, analytical, business, entrep, skills that you have in order to come up with the best alternative courses of actions and share it to class. suggestions are very much welcome from the class and you really get to learn from your classmates. sometimes professors are mere facilitator of the class. dlsu-gsb put much emphasis on csr, christian ideology, how to contribute more in our community, and to uplift others. you can also major in a certain field if you want just take an additional 9 (not sure if 9 or 12) units of electives. you can either major in international business, agribusiness, culture and arts, infotech, finance, and so on.

some of my classmates wants to transfer to other business schools, kasi mejo matagal and magastos mag mba sa la salle. considering the fact that you are also in a trimestral system and each term many students opt on taking just 2 subjects. which in many students' computation they will finish their mba in 3 years. mejo mtagal nga **. pero you are very much welcome to have more than 2 subjects just be responsible for every assignment, project, cases, reports and so on. when i had my interview with prof. raymond ganotice, he mentioned that almost 25% of the students' population actually graduate. and i want to be a part of that 25%! hehehe

whatever school you'll get into just expect and bring out the best out of yourself. and contribute to other student's learning. good luck!

[foxy_chic]

naku nakalimutan na yung thread starter.

i'm currently taking mba-jd sa dlsu-gsb (known before as the de la salle professional schools-graduate school of business). so, i can only speak for dlsu-gsb, i dont want to compare other business schools na hindi ko naman alam kung anong meron dun.

most of the faculty in dlsu-gsb are industry practitioners. i guess other schools' faculty too. though some professors dont have any industry background on their resume. since they teach subjects such as business writing and communication or statistics. many professors hold top positions in big companies such as atty. bautista of the kuok group, dr. orly mercado (former senator), check the website for the faculty listing.

dlsu-gsb holds classes on 3 different campus around the metro; taft (dlsu-manila), makati (rcbc plaza), ortigas (lsgh) and one in la salle-canlubang. in a term you can have a class in either one of them or on all four if you like. i love the atmosphere in dlsu-m since taft is my comfort zone. classes are monday to sat. i think alang friday class; and its from 6 to 915pm. or 830 to 1145 on sat. AM and 130 to 445PM. i also have most of my classes in taft kasi people tends to be friendlier and younger. hehehe parang college block nga kami. you can find us drinking after class sa may plato or sa archers place. hahaha pero it doesnt mean that taft based students are slackers ha. we just mix fun with our studies. and most of the time we talk about our studies and brainstorm during drinking sessions. all campuses have different culture that i can assure.

going on, dlsu-gsb, applies the case study approach in most subjects. this was developed by harvard business school. sa iba bang business school ganito din? the case study method is fun! you get to extract all of those creative, analytical, business, entrep, skills that you have in order to come up with the best alternative courses of actions and share it to class. suggestions are very much welcome from the class and you really get to learn from your classmates. sometimes professors are mere facilitator of the class. dlsu-gsb put much emphasis on csr, christian ideology, how to contribute more in our community, and to uplift others. you can also major in a certain field if you want just take an additional 9 (not sure if 9 or 12) units of electives. you can either major in international business, agribusiness, culture and arts, infotech, finance, and so on.

some of my classmates wants to transfer to other business schools, kasi mejo matagal and magastos mag mba sa la salle. considering the fact that you are also in a trimestral system and each term many students opt on taking just 2 subjects. which in many students' computation they will finish their mba in 3 years. mejo mtagal nga **. pero you are very much welcome to have more than 2 subjects just be responsible for every assignment, project, cases, reports and so on. when i had my interview with prof. raymond ganotice, he mentioned that almost 25% of the students' population actually graduate. and i want to be a part of that 25%! hehehe

whatever school you'll get into just expect and bring out the best out of yourself. and contribute to other student's learning. good luck!

(off topic) hi question lang po kze i am planning to take the mba-jd program sa dlsu-gsb...i would like to know kung magkano yung tuition fee??? thanks po...

[Warwick Bohol]

When it comes to academic prestige, AIM's is unsurpassed. UP College of Business Administration comes next. But this is mostly true amongst the top employers and academics.

Amongst the general public, it would probably be La Salle then Ateneo due to their sheer volume of students and graduates.




When it comes to quality of alumni, UP comes first. AIM follows in a distant. Then La Salle and Ateneo tied for the 3rd spots.

[wala2003]

I may also suggest that you look into University of Western Australia-Manila campus 's MBa program, if you have the money. According to the website, it is the only MBA program which is accredited by EQUIS here in asia. It has faculties from Australia and a little from the Philippines.
You can use google.com to search for the website and view those information. Don't focus on rankings, you may also consider the accreditation and alumni of the school.

[growling_maroon]

To the TS, if you've got the money, go for AIM. If not, your best bet would bet UP-MBA or DLSU-MBA. Why? well, this is according to some friends of mine who have taken their MBAs in these schools. They said na if you are the super masipag type, UP or DLSU will fit you well, sa ADMU kasi eh medyo spoon-feeding daw yung type ng pagtuturo nila dun as compared to UP, but nevertheless, malupit din ang MBA nila. As for UST-MBA, i think they have a good program too, though the programs of UP, DLSU and ADMU are still more comprehensive.

P.S. AIM was a consortium of UP, ADMU and DLSU professors and educators way back in the 80's, if im not mistaken, and AIM was a brainchild of the great Washington SyCip of the SGV Co. who was a summa cum laude accounting graduate of UST.

[Warwick Bohol]

wala2003,

I won't encourage you to enroll on a foreign MBA program that's offered in the Philippines because chances are, you won't get the quality of students and/or network that you would need in attending a business school. Always consider the quality of students of the school where you're going because the contacts that you will gain at school will be your contacts for life. And, if you're concern about this thing, AIM and UP-CBA are the best choices, bar none.

[displ@y]

At the Eduniversal World Convention held at the Sorbonne, Paris, five business schools were cited. Namely, The Asian Institute of Management (4 palms), De La Salle University College of Business and Economics (3 palms), AGSB (3 palms), University of the Philippines College of Business Administration (3 palms), University of Santo Tomas Graduate School (2 palms). The palms indicate the school's performance.
I have no idea about their methodology. You could research them yourself. But hope that helps.

[lurkerguy25]

wala2003,

I won't encourage you to enroll on a foreign MBA program that's offered in the Philippines because chances are, you won't get the quality of students and/or network that you would need in attending a business school. Always consider the quality of students of the school where you're going because the contacts that you will gain at school will be your contacts for life. And, if you're concern about this thing, AIM and UP-CBA are the best choices, bar none.

I dont know the reason why you are trying to put UP in the same level as with AIM? :confused:

[Warwick Bohol]

I dont know the reason why you are trying to put UP in the same level as with AIM? :confused:

Well, then, I'll tell you why.

AIM's intrinsic advantage over UP is name recognition OUTSIDE OF THE PHILIPPINES. It's name is more popular and respected OUTSIDE OF THE PHILIPPINES than it is in the Philippines. That's the only advantage I can think of in having an AIM MBA than a UP MBA. Locally, most HRDs would treat them both almost equally. In general, no one from AIM would get the job over a UP MBA grad purely on the basis of school affiliation, and vice versa. AIM isn't that respected than UP for MBA -- they're both just as respected. In fact, UP-CBA grads are more connected than AIM grads are. A UP MBA grad is more likely fond of another UP MBA grad. They have this mutual respect and admiration towards each other. They connect, bond and network. They have a very rich and thriving alumni association. Many of their members are some of the "who's who" in Philippine society, whether that would be in business or politics. I cannot say the same thing for AIM but I'm aware they also have a rich alumni body. But outside of the Philippines, an AIM MBA carries more weight than a UP MBA.

[lurkerguy25]

Well, then, I'll tell you why.

AIM's intrinsic advantage over UP is name recognition OUTSIDE OF THE PHILIPPINES. It's name is more popular and respected OUTSIDE OF THE PHILIPPINES than it is in the Philippines. That's the only advantage I can think of in having an AIM MBA than a UP MBA. Locally, most HRDs would treat them both almost equally. In general, no one from AIM would get the job over a UP MBA grad purely on the basis of school affiliation, and vice versa. AIM isn't that respected than UP for MBA -- they're both just as respected. In fact, UP-CBA grads are more connected than AIM grads are. A UP MBA grad is more likely fond of another UP MBA grad. They have this mutual respect and admiration towards each other. They connect, bond and network. They have a very rich and thriving alumni association. Many of their members are some of the "who's who" in Philippine society, whether that would be in business or politics. I cannot say the same thing for AIM but I'm aware they also have a rich alumni body. But outside of the Philippines, an AIM MBA carries more weight than a UP MBA.

Sorry you're the only one saying that. :)

[chuboy]

I'll recommend these schools. (1-being the best)

1. AIM
2. UP
3. ADMU
4. DLSU

[jennyjones]

How about student quality? We all know how expensive AIM's tuition is so does that mean that potential enrollees that are very qualified but lacking the necessary funds will have little chance of getting in? Are those enrolled in AIM's MBA any better than those in UP MBA?

[arch23]

How about student quality? We all know how expensive AIM's tuition is so does that mean that potential enrollees that are very qualified but lacking the necessary funds will have little chance of getting in? Are those enrolled in AIM's MBA any better than those in UP MBA?

AIM's students usually have their companies (or governments, since they're very international in composition) sponsor their studies. I don't think many people who already know they don't have the means to pay would even bother applying.

[Warwick Bohol]

arch23: AIM offers scholarship grants to deserving students. When I inquired a couple of years ago, I was told by the admissions director/directres (because it was a she) that they normally offer scholarship to students with exceptional academic stats. Those who apply with a GMAT score of 740 with a superb employment record are considered "hot" candidates for scholarships. Majority of Indians accepted at AIM are company sponsored.




jennyjones: Let's compare Pinoys to Pinoys at both schools because they're the ones that compete for the jobs in the end. International students at AIM usually go back to their respective countries. A few of them receive offers from other foreign countries though.

On average, I would say they're pretty identical with UP having a slight edge as the quality of its applicants are stronger to begin with. The bulk of the UP MBA student body has UP undergrad, and many with sterling academic marks. That's the full-time class, btw. AIM's MBA students come from several undergrad schools. Some relatively unknown schools or schools that are easy to get into for undergrad are represented, something that isn't the student make up of the UP MBA class.

[Warwick Bohol]

To the TS, if you've got the money, go for AIM. If not, your best bet would bet UP-MBA or DLSU-MBA. Why? well, this is according to some friends of mine who have taken their MBAs in these schools. They said na if you are the super masipag type, UP or DLSU will fit you well, sa ADMU kasi eh medyo spoon-feeding daw yung type ng pagtuturo nila dun as compared to UP, but nevertheless, malupit din ang MBA nila. As for UST-MBA, i think they have a good program too, though the programs of UP, DLSU and ADMU are still more comprehensive.

Actually, if she has got the money, she should aim for the best business schools abroad. Warwick Business School in the UK, for example, is superior to AIM and is only about twice as expensive as attending MBA at AIM. If she can raise more money, she should aim for London Business School or INSEAD, France. They're both tier 1 business schools in global scale. Warwick is just tier 2. But AIM is hardly even tier 3.



P.S. AIM was a consortium of UP, ADMU and DLSU professors and educators way back in the 80's, if im not mistaken, and AIM was a brainchild of the great Washington SyCip of the SGV Co. who was a summa cum laude accounting graduate of UST.

I don't think UP was part of the consortium, but I've read its history that the bulk of its very first students have a UP undergrad degree. Some of the first faculty members are UP grads too.

[Warwick Bohol]

Sorry you're the only one saying that. :)

You're just kidding, right? Because I honestly think that my opinion is shared by many HRDs, company presidents, scholars and alma mter students of UP-CBA. http://www.upd.edu.ph/~cba/alum_net.htm

[Bahay_Na_Bato]

Warwick Bohol:

Perhaps you can substantiate your comments with actual figures and sources, not claims as to the opinions of certain unnamed individuals or your own conjectures based on sources of a particular school's applicant pool.

[lurkerguy25]

You're just kidding, right? Because I honestly think that my opinion is shared by many HRDs, company presidents, scholars and alma mter students of UP-CBA. http://www.upd.edu.ph/~cba/alum_net.htm

you think?then your opinion is most probably false :)

[lurkerguy25]

When it comes to academic prestige, AIM's is unsurpassed. UP College of Business Administration comes next. But this is mostly true amongst the top employers and academics.

Amongst the general public, it would probably be La Salle then Ateneo due to their sheer volume of students and graduates.




When it comes to quality of alumni, UP comes first. AIM follows in a distant. Then La Salle and Ateneo tied for the 3rd spots.

o my! Quality of alumni??????proof please?:rotflmao: the funniest so far

[arch23]

arch23: AIM offers scholarship grants to deserving students. When I inquired a couple of years ago, I was told by the admissions director/directres (because it was a she) that they normally offer scholarship to students with exceptional academic stats. Those who apply with a GMAT score of 740 with a superb employment record are considered "hot" candidates for scholarships. Majority of Indians accepted at AIM are company sponsored...

On average, I would say they're pretty identical with UP having a slight edge as the quality of its applicants are stronger to begin with. The bulk of the UP MBA student body has UP undergrad, and many with sterling academic marks. That's the full-time class, btw. AIM's MBA students come from several undergrad schools. Some relatively unknown schools or schools that are easy to get into for undergrad are represented, something that isn't the student make up of the UP MBA class.


Yes, that's my impression, too, as far as the AIM and UP student bodies are concerned.

AIM does offer scholarships, but I was told that they offer very few of them (funding issues, especially these days), that unless you're among the top of the top candidates who are not sponsored, they won't actively encourage you to apply.

[n3X]

o my! Quality of alumni??????proof please?:rotflmao: the funniest so far

Teka first of all no, I'm not here to support Warwick. :rotflmao:

But actually, thats the case na rin. I've had the privilege to talk to senior executives about this. Bumaba na kasi competitiveness ng AIM. There were reports regarding dun sa renewal nung certification nila (yung Equis thing) na they were not investing in academic research, etc. and masyado ng senior yung faculty. Although andun pa rin yung "prestige" di na katulad ng dati. And yes, there are explicit opinions na UP MBA graduates are better than AIM's.

As much as I would like to agree with you lurkerguy25, medyo totoo yung sinasabi ni Warwick about yung alumni ng BA.

[lurkerguy25]

Teka first of all no, I'm not here to support Warwick. :rotflmao:

But actually, thats the case na rin. I've had the privilege to talk to senior executives about this. Bumaba na kasi competitiveness ng AIM. There were reports regarding dun sa renewal nung certification nila (yung Equis thing) na they were not investing in academic research, etc. and masyado ng senior yung faculty. Although andun pa rin yung "prestige" di na katulad ng dati. And yes, there are explicit opinions na UP MBA graduates are better than AIM's.

As much as I would like to agree with you lurkerguy25, medyo totoo yung sinasabi ni Warwick about yung alumni ng BA.

senior executives of?

[UP]

hmmm..ako din, hindi ako para suportahan si warwick..pero..

..I have a friend, who had a scholarship for mba..it was given by his tabachoy-boss..hehehe.... .Nung oras nanagpapaalam siya sa boss nya na isang alumni ng AIM's, tinanong siya kung san siya mag-apply..Nung nalaman na AIM yung isa sa kinoconsider niya, napa-iling yung boss nya. Ayun, inexplain nang boss niya na masyado na daw "polluted"(exact word) ang AIM at yung nagtuturo masyadong matatanda na, walang new-blood. Ayun pinag-UP mba siya, si boss ang nasunod..hehehe...Actually nag-MBA din siya sa lasalle bago matanngap yung scholarship pero hindi niya nagustuhan kasi hindi daw siya naarouse at walang critical thinking,,ayun umalis siya..

[letran_torotot]

http://rudebrownhornyhornist.blogspot.com/2008/12/minding-ones-business-school.html

[wala2003]

wala2003,

I won't encourage you to enroll on a foreign MBA program that's offered in the Philippines because chances are, you won't get the quality of students and/or network that you would need in attending a business school. Always consider the quality of students of the school where you're going because the contacts that you will gain at school will be your contacts for life. And, if you're concern about this thing, AIM and UP-CBA are the best choices, bar none.

I see, but I think they are strict with the admission of its students considering the prestige of the school. UWA is even better than AIM if you will consider its rank worldwide and accreditation. You can see the information on its website.

[n3X]

senior executives of?

The business intelligence company I worked for before. Also, because I'm in the field of business, my contacts share to me their viewpoints from time to time. Then I'm also working now in an international project that documents the experiences of senior Filipino technocrats and executives. In fact, we just finished interviewing Virata and Sycip. I cannot divulge information from the transcripts of the project nor am I saying that the information I volunteered previously in this thread came from them. Maybe in twenty years or less when the results of the research project can be released.

In any case, wag kasi tayo magpadala sa tingin o alam lang natin. May malaking mundo outside of us. Verify information. There are a lot of businesses out there na heads galing UP: Natasha (Jardiolin), Ayala (Nolledo, et al), French Baker (Koa), Figaro (Juan), PHINMA and their related businesses (Albarracin, et al.), Novellino Wines, Araneta Center (Jorge Araneta), Lilia Clemente (Asiaweek's "Wonder Woman of Wall Street"), Ramon Sy (Bankers Association of the Philippines), et al., including general managers of foreign enterprises and banks and of course directors of SGV, et al. Kulang din kasi sa "personal" marketing actually ang UP BA. Truth is, very spread out din ang alumni network ng BA, there are also alumni in government and civil society. Case in point sila Villar and Neri, most of the Central Bank Governors are from UP. Most people think Ateneo and La Salle are ahead of UP, maybe also AIM, but as far as I know (although yes, it needs a credible study), AIM is only ahead of UP in terms of executive and international education, and Ateneo in entrepreneurship. And that's it.

[treesyuh]

Personal preference, AIM pa rin kaso wala silang part time program based sa nakita ko sa site. I'm currently searching for an MBA school din. I plan to take my masters some time next year if uuwi na ko sa pinas.

May UWA na pala sa Philippines. I might consider that as well. It's a GO8 - Group of 8 uni member in Australia. Initially, I was also considering to go to Aus since mas malapit siya than US and UK plus competitive din ang academic programs nila looking at the rankings. Yun nga lang I want to start my career somewhere in south east asia. So yeah, tingnan natin.

[UP]

tama..medyo nagkarun lang ng connotation na pag-ateneo o lasalle, mayaman. mayaman=business.....hindi magiging sikat ang UP kung puro science at technology lang...diba?..

Kung magbabasa ka ng mga information sa mga kumpanya o bangko. Makikita mo na maraming UP na heads, ewan ko lang sa iba kung ganun ang napapasin. Pati isipin nyo sino ba mga PINUNO natin sa gobyerno, puro UP di ba. Pati isipin niyo bakit sila nagiging senator o kung ano man, more or less may successful business sila.. diba?(oo may corrupt)..pero isipin niyo san nila makukuha yung knowledge at kills na yun, sa UP.

Hindi ko sinasabi na masmagaling ang UP pero kung titingnan natin mabuti, halos parapareho lang pagdating sa business. Diverse ang UP pagdating sa financial capability ng estudyante=average(eto ang tingin pagdating sa pera). Pero ilang UP student ang nagsimula sa pagiging mahirap!!!! tapos ngayon head na bangko, institution o kumpanya, ibig sabihin kaya ng taga-UP makipagcompete, tutuusin masnakikita ng isang taga-UP ang "mukha ng mundo" kaysa sa taga-Ateneo o lasalle(generalize ko na), yun ang masasabi ko na edge ng isang taga-UP. Ang mayaman, average at mahihirap araw-araw nakakapagsalamuha.Kahit mayaman, nakikita at nararamdaman ang paghihirap ng isang estudyanteng mahirap.Nagiging malakas pa yung gantong bond gawa ng frats at orgs. Ang isang taga-UP, may karisma sa mga tao dahil sa kanilang kakayahan makisama at magdesisyon. At alam natin eto ang sangkap para maging maunlad kahit saang kalakalan ng buhay!!!

in short, kahit saan magaling ang taga-UP.

[treesyuh]

@UP

too much generalization. yung friend kong taga-UP di nga halos makatagalog, taglish parati. yung isa naman, sabi sa bisita naming kano, we want to serve upper class people not beggars. pag namimili lahat branded, pinipicturan pa at pinopost sa facebook para ipagyabang pero pag pumunta ka sa bahay niya.. no comment. o diba? it's unfair to assume na mas nakikita niyo ang "mundo". come on. :rotflmao: i'm overseas pagdating dito pare-pareho lang. mas maarte pa nga yung ibang taga-UP.

[UP]

ah..

generalize ko na, kasi alam naman ng nagbabasa dito na ang atake ng sinulat ko ang kabuoang pagtingin pati malaki ang tiwala ko na matatalino o nakakaintindi ang nagbabasa dito. Oo, may mga exception syempre pero kung ilalagay ko pati yun, masyadong mahaba na at tutuusin maliit na bilang lang yung ganun sa UP(sa akin naranasan, 2006 and below)....

Pati sa akin "naranasanan" kung tatanungin mo ang isang taga-lasalle at atenista transfer o nung primary to secondary na pumasok sa UP.....ganang ganan ang sasabihin sayo......


"eto ay limitado lang sa akin naranasan at pagtingin sa mga bagay-bagay"

[tigs]

Does Pnas also offer doctorate in business administration, DBA and/or PhD?

[sambeydacolleyj]

UP, DLSU, San Beda, and Letran are among the few that offer business doctorates in the Philippines.

[KuyaDanny]

So does Jose Rizal University (DBA)

[neon_angel75]

Just to add my two cents worth.

Historically, AIM was originally supposed to be a consortium of UP, AdMU, and DLSU (under the guidance of Harvard) but UP had to out because they had restrictions being a state university.

In terms of student population, currently, majority of students (60% or so) at AIM MBA are of Indian nationality. This is followed by Filipinos, then nationalities from all over Asia, and some European countries (I know several from East Europe).

Median age of AIM professors is about 57 years old (This is a double edged sword of course). Many had been practitioners in the past but few are engaged in doing research, so their being up to date is also debatable. They are currently recruiting brilliant younger faculty members with good background in both academics and industry or government (Ph.D.s at least). This is in contrast to past policies where majority of faculty members were more practitioners than academicians.

AIMs faculty pool are composed of high profile practitioners with at least masters degrees from prestigious institutions. Majority I believe earned their masters degrees from AIM (MBM mostly) but there are also those e.g. Harvard, Cornell, Univ. of Michigan, London School of Economics, etc. Many also took graduate degrees from AGSB, DLSU, UP, SAIDI. Majority of AIM professors as far as I know took their PhD from UP (Either PhD Business Administration or Doctor of Public Administration) or DLSU (Doctor of Business Administration).

Looking at their undergrad profiles, majority are graduates of UP, followed by AdMU and DLSU and there are also those from Maryknoll (now Miriam Collge) and many more.

AIM is very good in marketing itself and its alumni are also very good at promoting the institute. This aura of prestige is also helped by the fact that its executive programs target mostly executives in the corporate and in the development sector across Asia. Attendance in its numerous executive programs far outweigh those in the degree programs.

While AIM does enjoy an advantage over UP, AdMU, and DLSU in terms of its "prestige" and in the eyes of ordinary students like many of the PExers in this thread, I am of the opinion that its weakness is the comparatively weakness of academic rigor and the weak research of its faculty (compared to say UP CBA).

In the industry, many Filipino AIM graduates are frustrated to find out that their AIM MBA diplomas are just acknowledged to be at the same level as UP and DLSU MBA and that their salary expectations are not met (this is the reason why you can find that a number of AIM graduates are also unemployed). Ateneo MBA is also considered good, though not the same level as AIM, UP and DLSU MBA (at least that is the feedback that I am aware of based on personal feedback, interviews and FGDs).

Perhaps one possible explanation is that AdMU AGSB is less demanding in its admission requirements in terms of work experience, academic credentials, and exam. It is also perceived that they also don't have to face as much difficulty in trying to stay in the program.

If you plan to take your MBA, an AIM MBA is good if you have the money and the 16 months. They can also assist you in placement. A UP MBA training and credential is not very expensive and just as good whether locally or internationally (though many non-industry practitioners here would claim it is not as "prestigious" as AIM). The drawback is that the program can be very difficult and demanding academically and enrolling is not a guarantee that you will finish. A DLSU MBA is also good, not as difficult as UP and not as expensive as AIM and their program is well recognized. An AdMU MBA is also good, owing to the good brand name of the university and their reputation for having good programs but again IMO and by other industry experts, still not the same as the first three yet. Again if you intend to practice locally, any of these schools MBA program will do.

A few last notes:

1. For prospective employers, it is not just the MBA degree that counts but the quality of work experience. Nevertheless, the degree will improve the likelihood of you landing you an interview.

2. Even if you have a degree, don't expect high salary offers immediately, especially if you still do not have sufficient experience to back it up. Unless you already have solid high figure offers from other companies, don’t immediately turn down offer because they did not meet your expectations.

3. Stay humble and work hard, your MBA degree will help accelerate your career but you have to get in first and prove your worth. Remember that here is no shortage of MBA holders out there. (Perhaps the advantage of those who have UP MBAs in the eyes of employers, the impression is that they are generally more willing to accept lower pays and work their way up than some graduates of AIM, DLSU, or AdMU who had to pay millions or hundreds of thousands for their degrees and demand high pay immediately.)

(For those wondering why I haven’t mentioned local MBA schools other than AIM, UP, AdMU, DLSU – well, I haven’t studied/taught/worked there and I cannot compare. I also know too few MBA graduates of these schools in the companies I’ve worked with to make comments.)

[Ateneo_CdeO]

XAVIER UNIVERSITY--- my dad is a MBA Graduate there. ;p

[zodiac]

The thread is quite confusing

If we talk of MBA, then the thread should be Top Business Graduate Schools in the Philippines, of course, it's only AIM, followed by DLSU & ADMU

But if we talk of business schools talaga, I strongly believe that FEU should be part of the list, we have Henry Sy, Alfonso Yuchengco, Ramon Ang, Ramon Sy, Menardo Jimenez, etc., etc., etc. ! not to mention Lucio Tan who is a BS Chemistry graduate, gosh, we're so good pala talaga

*okay*

[gaksensei]

I graduated BS in Management from Ateneo and pursued MBA in UP. Even if I'm an Atenean, Id still choose DLSU MBA over Ateneo's. For many reasons, most Ateneans don't want to pursue MBA at AGSB. Most of us went to DLSU-GSB and UP-CBA.

While, there are only four schools recommended in the country.
Full-time-1. AIM and 2. UP
Part-time 1. UP-CBA, 2. DLSU-GSB. and 3. Ateneo-GSB

These are the only 4 institutions that are recognized from abroad especially in Academe or if you're applying for a scholarship.

Hence, you should also check your finances before taking up an MBA. If you can afford to study abroad, that's definitely better.

I have a friend who's a scholar in an international university Japan.
His cost of tuition without the scholarship is 1,000,000 in pesos for two semesters. He said they have 9 Ateneans 6 Lasalites and 4 UP graduates who study their.

[Zardoz]

For undergraduate -- Ateneo JGSOM, the only CHED Center of Excellence in Business Administration AND Entrepreneurship

For graduate studies in business -- AIM for fulltime; Ateneo for part-time. Otherwise, go to the USA or UK for graduate studies.

[cynicaltongue]

what if you are running a food service related business and at the same time works for the family business... What school between DLSU and ATENEO would you choose?

Reason for wanting an MBA is because after years of working in your own business and also for the family business things get to be dull.. and you want to do more for the company but you think and feel that you are not equipped to push through with change and improvements.

[neon_angel75]

If it is entrepreneurship/enterprise development you are after, IMO then you might want to consider getting a Master of Entrepreneurship instead of an MBA.The Asian Center for Entrepreneurship (ACE) ran a very good ME program originally under AIM but the school split from AIM as of last year. ACE currently has a tie-up with Ateneo Center for Continuing Education. The professors are really good and are known entrepreneur/practitioners (e.g. Dr Ed Morato, Prof. Tommy Lopez, Dr. Ferreria, Prof. Antonio, and Prof. Bernardo) and many graduates of the school has turned out very good entrepreneurs. You may want to check out www.aceme.com.ph .

AIM also has an Executive MBA for family corporations which is just a part-time program that will allow you to continue running your business. My opinion of this program is not as high as the ME program. IMO, it is just one of those programs run by AIM to generate revenues and is not as good.

[pbiz]

hi tumatanggap ba nag UP ng enrollees for 2nd bachelors degree.
I'm a CS grad kc year 2001 pa. Gusto ko pala ng Business Mgt. pano kaya to. San kayang school maganda, at pwd pa ba age ko. Advice naman dyan... thanks.