== AMD Athlon64 X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo ? ==

[pgma]

My friend is thinking of assembling a new rig. Which of the 2 processors u think is the best in terms of speed and efficiency? The new rig will be used mostly for multi tasking (office softwares), picture editing, video recording etc.

What chipset to look for in buying mobo?

Thanks.

[abscbn]

i bought the former, but somehow i'm regretting it. it has this utility, the dual core center, it monitors the temp and performance of the cpu. if it thinks that the cpu is getting hot, it shutsdown the pc. i'm not sure if it's the utility reporting the cpu is getting hot or the cpu is really getting hot. i thought amd has resolve the overheating issue with their processors.

anyone encountering the same problem? i have the x2 5200.

[pgma]

^^
What is the brand of your mobo?

[PhotoJoe]

You really should check up on your processor's cooling if it has already gotten to the point where the PC would shut itself off.

[zerglings]

Intel FTW!

[happy_soil]

Talking about performance, AMD licks Intel's scrotum good (AMD fanboys can lick my ones too, should they all disagree).

[AMD] just don't have yet the thing that can topple - match even - Intel's almighty Core architecture.

On a related note, your friend's better off with a P35-based mobo. The lower/budget-end ones - the G33 and G35 - are good value for money, too.

[zerglings]

AMD Turion X2 2.3GHz = Intel Core 2 Duo 1.6GHz or less????

[manok00]

AMD nalang!

Intel is more on marketing hype! Kaya maraming nadadala at mga Intel users palagi negative sinasabi nila sa AMD. In the end you will know who is better, lalo na pag Games, Also ATI is AMD

Intel is BMW
AMD is Ferrari

Saan mas mabilis?

[zerglings]

^ uhm no...... just look at the benchmarks nowadays...

AMD's Athlon series (not including the new ones) days are officially over since Core 2 Duo's architecture...

Then again, never liked AMD's performance.. I've built one for my mom because I wanted to try it out but it was slower than my P4 3.0GHz Northwood (compared to Athlon 3200+ or 3400+ --- i forgot)!

[Rammstein]

AMD nalang!

Intel is more on marketing hype! Kaya maraming nadadala at mga Intel users palagi negative sinasabi nila sa AMD. In the end you will know who is better, lalo na pag Games, Also ATI is AMD

Intel is BMW
AMD is Ferrari

Saan mas mabilis?

amd used to be the king of the hill, but that was then. c2d does not need to rely on marketing hype, it delivers on the performance side. i have used both amd in intel in the past.

[zerglings]

amd used to be the king of the hill, but that was then. c2d does not need to rely on marketing hype, it delivers on the performance side. i have used both amd in intel in the past.

exactly.........

[pgma]

what mobo can u recommend for intel c2d? what chipset should one look for? is asus a reliable brand?

btw, my friend prefer atx.

[manok00]

Business has its peaks and again passes through a cycle.

Nakita ko dito sa PEX puro Intel, but this Website runs on AMD.
Well for me, mas madaling nabawi ko ang Internet shop ko using AMD Processors.

I have also brought 3 laptops powered with AMD Turion, so far the best in gaming "Call of Duty"

AMD spokesperson Phil Hughes said, "Intel can raise the FSB speed as much as it wants; it cannot overcome the shortcomings of its legacy architecture vs. AMD's Direct Connect Architecture. … Ultimately, a faster FSB does not overcome the architectural bottlenecks inherent in such a design."

[Rammstein]

intel and amd processors have their pros and cons.

well, amd is cheaper, for one. just as you said, they're good for your internet shop. it also depends on what software you'll be running on them.

now, intel is having price cuts again and is going to introduce new processors. together with this one: AMD posted a Q1 2008 loss of $385 million and announced plans to restructure its business.

it's really time for amd to get back in the game.

[pgma]

mabilis daw uminit ang amd compare to intel? feedback on this? is there a way to solve this problem?

[Rammstein]

mabilis daw uminit ang amd compare to intel? feedback on this? is there a way to solve this problem?

that used to be the case during the amd athlon days, iirc. yung pwede ka pa mag-prito ng itlog, there are pictures on the net on this if you want to see. ngayon, hindi na. pero nangyari din sa intel yung sobrang init, but that was the time bago nila nilabas yung core 2 duo.

yan pa rin ang belief ng ibang tao, lalo na yung mga supposedly "technicians" and "salespeople" na tatanungan mo. pati yung pag kinabit yung jumper ng usb header sa case, nakakasira daw yun. wtf.
tapos nung naghahanap ako linksys na WRT54GL, sabi sa kin, "sir, pang-linux lang po yung router na yun". hehe

[pgma]

that used to be the case during the amd athlon days, iirc. yung pwede ka pa mag-prito ng itlog, there are pictures on the net on this if you want to see. ngayon, hindi na. pero nangyari din sa intel yung sobrang init, but that was the time bago nila nilabas yung core 2 duo.



so with the current amd athlon64 X2, hindi na problem *** over heating?

if u install several chassis fan in atx casing, will this help to bring the temperature down?

[zerglings]

intel and amd processors have their pros and cons.

correct...

it's really time for amd to get back in the game.

correct...

------------------------------

i want AMD to stay in the game just because of the price cuts.. competition is always good for the consumers.... but then, i wouldn't buy AMD... sure ATI + AMD is probably a good combo but... i jumped on the nVidia bandwagon now.... used to be ATI user but for some reason my ATI just doesn't want to work with Debian based linux... i want my stuff to be compatible as much as possible to different OSes...


tapos nung naghahanap ako linksys na WRT54GL, sabi sa kin, "sir, pang-linux lang po yung router na yun". hehe

LOL... baka nagkamali lang ng pagkasabi?? baka ibig sabihin nya eh designed for linux firmware... c",)

@pgma
ASUS and ABIT are good mobos... i like both of 'em but usually it boils down to the best bang for the buck (like more features)

[elyserva]

I was disappointed with the Athlon64 x2, and that's coming from an AMD fanboy!:D

Well, I don't know if the whole setup (mobo, memory, hd, etc.) has something to do with it or not!:D

[zerglings]

Well, I don't know if the whole setup (mobo, memory, hd, etc.) has something to do with it or not!:D

it all adds up...

think of the CPU as an engine... engine will give you HP and etc but changing the factory parts to after market ones will give you more HP...

[elyserva]

And the OS too! Kasi medyo sluggish siya sa XP. Pero dun sa Ubuntu 64 eh maganda naman ang performance.

[zerglings]

And the OS too! Kasi medyo sluggish siya sa XP. Pero dun sa Ubuntu 64 eh maganda naman ang performance.

op kors... linux is way faster tha XP.. that's the reason why i want to load linux on my laptop... 1GB + Pentium M 1.6GHz (Centrino platform -- ancient laptop)... i am just waiting for the latest Ubuntu distro (3 more days?)... hopefully, i won't have problems with Ubuntu this time since the laptop isn't using ATI -- just Intel graphics...

[elyserva]

No, it's Ubuntu64! With plain Ubuntu (32bit) parang XP din siya.

I'm using Ubuntu in my small icafe here in the province. I'm using CafePilot sa my server (libre din). Born Free kasi tayo eh, mahilig sa libre!:D

[pgma]

nag hhang ba amd pag sobrang init?

[Rammstein]

nag hhang ba amd pag sobrang init?

processors nowadays have the mechanism to throttle down their speed when temperature gets too high. one of the signs would be a bsod, if it gets overheated.

[myname]

bagsak presyo naman ngayon intel procs!! wohooo!!!

[zerglings]

No, it's Ubuntu64! With plain Ubuntu (32bit) parang XP din siya.

I'm using Ubuntu in my small icafe here in the province. I'm using CafePilot sa my server (libre din). Born Free kasi tayo eh, mahilig sa libre!:D

really? everytime i use linux i find it always faster than Windows' OSes..

[pgma]

processors nowadays have the mechanism to throttle down their speed when temperature gets too high. one of the signs would be a bsod, if it gets overheated.

ok, so i'll presume that the key to keep the temperature down is to have a good hsf and several chassis fans?

[zerglings]

ok, so i'll presume that the key to keep the temperature down is to have a good hsf and several chassis fans?

having lots of fans is good.. it doesn't just help the heat from the CPU but overall... stock fans are good enough to dissipate heat from the CPU... the reason why people buy aftermarket is because they usually overclock or it looks cool... c",)

[happy_soil]

@pgma
Actually, not using your computer "at all" is the key to keep the temperature down.

Anyway, what you said is right. Improperly 'seating' your stonking-new TRUE (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Thermalright+Ultra+Extreme) atop the processor however will really bite your behind really good.

In other words, make really sure "sure" it's set up correctly, or it will pretty much transform your expensive HSF into a cheap (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126790) piece of metal (no offense, Akasa).

[elyserva]

Solution ko sa heat? Binubuksan ko na lang yung case ng computer! Regarding others concern for dusts, open or close, it will accumulate the same amount of dust over time anyway.

[manok00]

1. Use aluminium casing, kaso ang mahal 6k yata
2. Always place your CPU at the top of the computer table, not the usual na nasa baba.
3. For die-hard gamers and addictos downloaders na walang patayan ang CPU, bumili nalang kayo ng aircon na pwede mag lagay ng Ice (yung tag 3k lang) at itapat sa CPU.
4. Gumamit na ng LCD (junk nyo na ang CRT), para less heat ang medium.
5. Shutdown nyo naman ang computer once in a while, machine din yan at kailangan din patayin pa minsan minsan.

[elyserva]

2. Always place your CPU at the top of the computer table, not the usual na nasa baba.
Isn't hot air lighter than cold air? Putting your CPU higher will not make it cooler, on the contrary, it'll make it warmer.
4. Gumamit na ng LCD (junk nyo na ang CRT), para less heat ang medium.
I agree!

[pgma]

so what is the verdict of experts here?

AMD Athlon64 X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo

[jeffjan]

C2D for me! (not an expert :D)

[zerglings]

so what is the verdict of experts here?

AMD Athlon64 X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo

Core2Duo if you want performance.
Budget then maybe you should go with AMD X2.

i'm a n00b!

[manok00]

so what is the verdict of experts here?

AMD Athlon64 X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo

AMD for me. Still Price and Performance

[happy_soil]

2. Always place your CPU at the top of the computer table, not the usual na nasa baba.

Isn't hot air lighter than cold air? Putting your CPU higher will not make it cooler, on the contrary, it'll make it warmer.


Chassis placement, regardless if it's at the top or bottom, is going to be almost irrelevant anyway if you don't have proper ventilation running accross your room. True, hot air is lighter than cold air, but if your room don't have any windows or anywhere that cold air can run through, then you're not going to have the cold air you're wanting in the first place. Basically, what I'm saying here is that you don't have to bother that much on your chassis placement first. Rather, make sure you've got your windows (not the OS - duh) opened, or have your aircon turned on during your wee-time in front of your 'puter. Then and then you can think about your computer chassis' placement.

[j10021213]

so what is the verdict of experts here?

AMD Athlon64 X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo

For pricing you can't go wrong with an Athlon64 X2. Performance isn't too bad either. For a typical user on a budget this option probably gives the best bang for your buck.

For performance though, the Core 2 Duo is the current king of the hill. Just scour the net for benchmark tests comparing the two and you'll see what I mean.

Of course nothing is set in stone. We can only expect better products from these two companies in the coming years. Their competition is our gain in the end.

[elyserva]

Chassis placement, regardless if it's at the top or bottom, is going to be almost irrelevant anyway if you don't have proper ventilation running accross your room. True, hot air is lighter than cold air, but if your room don't have any windows or anywhere that cold air can run through, then you're not going to have the cold air you're wanting in the first place. Basically, what I'm saying here is that you don't have to bother that much on your chassis placement first. Rather, make sure you've got your windows (not the OS - duh) opened, or have your aircon turned on during your wee-time in front of your 'puter. Then and then you can think about your computer chassis' placement.
That's not what you said in your previous post! You never mentioned anything about airconditioning!:D Anyway, I am in the province, my small shop is in a closed room with no windows. All on my w/s have their chassis opened and I don't have any issues about heat.

[happy_soil]

Chassis placement, regardless if it's at the top or bottom, is going to be almost irrelevant anyway if you don't have proper ventilation running accross your room. True, hot air is lighter than cold air, but if your room don't have any windows or anywhere that cold air can run through, then you're not going to have the cold air you're wanting in the first place. Basically, what I'm saying here is that you don't have to bother that much on your chassis placement first. Rather, make sure you've got your windows (not the OS - duh) opened, or have your aircon turned on during your wee-time in front of your 'puter. Then and then you can think about your computer chassis' placement.

That's not what you said in your previous post! You never mentioned anything about airconditioning!:D Anyway, I am in the province, my small shop is in a closed room with no windows. All on my w/s have their chassis opened and I don't have any issues about heat.


Yet. Knock the hell out of that wood.

Out of curiosity, how old are your PCs? You should consider installing at least one aircon if you haven't already. You probably don't want to fry the egg again and wait for any unusual scent just to grab your attention do you?

Considering an after-market HSF wouldn't hurt as well. The CPU HSF worth noting not just because of its efficiecy, or the fact that I use one (I have it on my E8200, and the temp never exceeded 31C, lowest at 23C - rather typical however considering I live in a fairly cold place) but also its price (the thing is ridiculously dirt-cheap), is the Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro.

Another suggestion that is fairly plausible but quite debatable is not turning your computer off (screw Earth Day or this Global Warming shenanigans - 'course, I kid.).

No doubt it's a typical cause-effect advantage-disadvantage scenario. Since it's a computer shop, if theim PCs going to have a 'mere' 4-8 hours of rest, then it's kinda not worth it to power them down completely. You might say that's crazy, doing that will basically annoy Meralco for giving them a hard time preparing my 10-20 pages of electric bill. I couldn't agree more, however, considering that electical components hurt most out from a cold boot, how about a new question?

Would this not-turning-off-computer craziness give benefit for my business in the long run?

[zerglings]

electical components hurt most out from a cold boot

correct.........

[azul_81]

i was a former intel user before. since i tried using amd i didn't had any regrets.
pag nag buo ako ng new rig eh lahat palit lalo na sa cooling system. tuwang tuwa pa nga mga pamangkin ko kase may tubig na blue daw yung hose hahahaha :lol:


AMD ! *okay*

[Night Shadow]

marami na kaming AMD X2 PC na nasunog.. yung iba bigla na lang magre-restart. They didn't last 4-6 months/10-16 hours a day, encoding High Definition 720p (AVC).

[pgma]

marami na kaming AMD X2 PC na nasunog.. yung iba bigla na lang magre-restart. They didn't last 4-6 months/10-16 hours a day, encoding High Definition 720p (AVC).


you mean na fried *** processor and board?

[zerglings]

marami na kaming AMD X2 PC na nasunog.. yung iba bigla na lang magre-restart. They didn't last 4-6 months/10-16 hours a day, encoding High Definition 720p (AVC).

that sucks....

[Night Shadow]

maitim na yung gilid ng processor.. ayaw na mag boot pero yung mga parts ng PC binabalik ng company namin sa HP, DELL, etc.. ganun din ginagawa sa mga small businesses sa Downtown LA tsaka sa Manhattan, New York.. meron silang mga deal sa mga PC makers... sa mga stores din (Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc) kung may kilala kayong nagta trabaho dun, tanungin nyo kung ano yung mas maraming returned PC.

INTC & AMD Market Stats.. There are some reasons there why AMD shares fell.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=INTC&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=AMD

and here's the latest news about AMD
http://www.geek.com/mounting-evidence-suggests-amd-sinking-fast-in-quagmire-of-own-making/

Some people asked, why Apple picked Intel over AMD?

[zerglings]

the article at the geek.com pointed out that AMD should've reinvested their money to R&D instead of buying ATI... i also said the same thing when i was talking to my friend when he bought his AMD Phenom... so what if Intel has IGP??? they were doing okay competing with Intel why ruin it? the consumers will be screwed if AMD lose this battle, which for some people think it is pretty much over... heck, a lot of AMD Executives already left the scene because they think it is pretty much over... oh well.. we'll see.... get ready to pay for overpriced CPU when AMD files for bankruptcy...

[kurokuro]

AMD X2 yung mga units namin sa internet cafe, okay naman, babaran sa gaming.

[Night Shadow]

AMD is good for playing games, CPU usage goes up and down.. video/audio encoding stays 95-100% CPU usage, 16 hours a day. Intel processor is the only one that can handle it.

[CodeBoy]

I'm running an Acer Aspire L5100 mini-PC (http://global.acer.com/products/desktop/asl5100.htm) equipped with the Athlon64 X2 dual core 4400+ running at 2.3 Ghz. Its advantages over the Intel Core Duo equipped Acer Aspire L3600 mini-PC (http://global.acer.com/products/desktop/asl3600.htm) (full specs (http://global.acer.com/products/desktop/spec/AS.pdf)) are:

1) Cheaper by a good deal (between PHP5K to 10K for a PHP25-30K machine)

2) Performance should be on par

3) Since these mini-PCs use integrated chipsets, going AMD was the only way to avoid the crappy Intel GMA graphics. The built-in X1250 ain't all that fast either, but certainly far more preferable to GMA.

4) It's got 1 HDMI + 1 DVI out (yes!!), the Intel version I think either has only one out (what I saw in the store) or 1 DVI + 1 VGA (the specs).

In my experience, the Athlon64 seems to have some small quirks that require patches (such as their Dual Core Optimizer) which the OS has not included yet, but otherwise it seems like a good value.

I'm not so concerned about the price actually and would've gone for the more polished Intel had it not been for the fact that I would've been forced to use Intel GMA graphics and the lack of an HDMI out.

[Rammstein]

^^yup, in order to fully use dual-core amd cpu's, you need to install dual core optimizer in xp. but if you are going to use vista, it is already supported by the os.

[CodeBoy]

From the description:

AMD Dual-Core Optimizer - The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized.

it only sounds like the "dual core optimizer" fixes certain (non-showstopper it seems) bugs that may arise when running games on Athlon chips. In other words, in most cases you are [supposed to be] getting dual core perfromance even without installing the optimizer.

[zerglings]

Wasn't there a bug on AMD's CPU when they released the Athlon 64s too? Is it just me or they're releasing bunch of buggy stuff just like Cisco? :D

[kurokuro]

Ngayon ko lang narinig yan, ma download nga baka mag improve pa ang performance ng mga units namin.

[pgma]

off topic
when u buy a processor (amd or intel), kasama na ba *** hsf and thermal grease? tnx

[happy_soil]

HSF is included (unless it's OEM) - thermal grease/TIM (Thermal Interface Material) isn't.

Good ones are Arctic Silver 5, Arctic Cooling MX-2, and Tuniq TX-2.

[dphx]

Ano nga pala reliable but affordable na cooler ng northbridge chip ng MSI k9n neo?

[pgma]

HSF is included (unless it's OEM) - thermal grease/TIM (Thermal Interface Material) isn't.

Good ones are Arctic Silver 5, Arctic Cooling MX-2, and Tuniq TX-2.

does it mean that the included hsf is not reliable?
where can one buy this TIM?

[happy_soil]

HSF is included (unless it's OEM) - thermal grease/TIM (Thermal Interface Material) isn't.

Good ones are Arctic Silver 5, Arctic Cooling MX-2, and Tuniq TX-2.

does it mean that the included hsf is not reliable?
where can one buy this TIM?


I didn't say bundled HSFs are unreliable. Both Intel and AMD ship their own HSF that is designed to at least handle temperatures well within a processor's limitations. It's completely up to the end user if an after-market one is really needed.

TIMs should be available on almost any computer retail shop. Just ask around.

[zerglings]

In my experience, all the retail processors that I've bought came with thermal grease. Pero parang tipid. c",)

[happy_soil]

^ You mean, like, there's an included thermal grease inside your, say, retail "boxed" Q6600?

[zerglings]

^ You mean, like, there's an included thermal grease inside your, say, retail "boxed" Q6600?

FYI. I didn't buy a retail Q6600. I bought an Inspiron 530 with Q6600 installed. My P4s came with the thermal grease atleast. The AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (or 3400+ -forgot which one) that is installed on my mom's PC came with thermal grease also. All those 3 comes with "factory" thermal paste/grease.

I've built several PCs so I think I know what thermal grease/paste looks like. Heck, I've replaced several motherboards and CPUs when I was on my old department and when I was still a GeekSquad "agent".

[happy_soil]

Didn't know that.

But yeah, it's just the fact that you're already an old fart zerg than I am.

So you said you were a GeekSquad agent? Share them pix of cute college girls here ;)

[zerglings]

hey.. watch your mouth.. i aint that old!

i'm sorry. we didn't look at any files on customer's hard drive. we just simply fix their computers. we respected the customer's privacy. :p :p :p

[invest]

i just noticed that HP usually uses intel core for their laptops. but why did they opt to go for AMD for the tx2000z series (entertainment notebook)? im not that knowleadgable re this matter. hope you can answer my question.

[zerglings]

i just noticed that HP usually uses intel core for their laptops. but why did they opt to go for AMD for the tx2000z series (entertainment notebook)? im not that knowleadgable re this matter. hope you can answer my question.

i think their target was to provide a consumer a low priced tablet pc... that's probably why the opted for the turion x2... i was considering to buy tx2000z but i think imma just go with macbook pro...

[manok00]

i just noticed that HP usually uses intel core for their laptops. but why did they opt to go for AMD for the tx2000z series (entertainment notebook)? im not that knowleadgable re this matter. hope you can answer my question.

They are now trying to go below the average price of the notebooks, which the major competitors like IBM and Dell has gone into. Same configuration for entertainment series notebooks but different processor.

[happy_soil]

As zerg said, it's the price. Noticed it's relatively cheaper than a comparable Intel-equipped one? There's the usual trade-off if you want a cheaper laptop - and it's the performance that always get the beating.

Having said that, I don't mean it's a bad thing to have an AMD processor. Generally speaking, [AMD] is well known to offer performance components for mainstream prices.

[zerglings]

As zerg said, it's the price. Noticed it's relatively cheaper than a comparable Intel-equipped one? There's the usual trade-off if you want a cheaper laptop - and it's the performance that always get the beating.

Having said that, I don't mean it's a bad thing to have an AMD processor. Generally speaking, [AMD] is well known to offer performance components for mainstream prices.

come on.. you can say AMD sucks.. c",)