Frankie Lim?

[sponklong]

Is the current SBC coach good enough for you?

I think the reason for his success is because of the talent of SBC's current players when he went on board.

Parang kulang pa sa experience for me. Its pure luck and talent of the players that gave SBC the championship.

[celtics]

Is the current SBC coach good enough for you?

I think the reason for his success is because of the talent of SBC's current players when he went on board.

Parang kulang pa sa experience for me. Its pure luck and talent of the players that gave SBC the championship.

Credited pa rin sa kay Coach Lim yun. He was able to balanced the individual talent of his players to developed a dominant team in the NCAA.

Actually, his position is the same with former PCU Coach Baculi. Coach Loreto Tolentino made PCU a champion caliber team and when Coach Baculi took over he didn't duplicate the accomplishment of Coach Tolentino.

With Coach Frankie Lim, he duplicated the feat of Coach Koy Banal convincingly. With the new line-up, for me the Red Lions is still the team to beat in the upcoming NCAA season.

[sponklong]

Credited pa rin sa kay Coach Lim yun. He was able to balanced the individual talent of his players to developed a dominant team in the NCAA.

Actually, his position is the same with former PCU Coach Baculi. Coach Loreto Tolentino made PCU a champion caliber team and when Coach Baculi took over he didn't duplicate the accomplishment of Coach Tolentino.

With Coach Frankie Lim, he duplicated the feat of Coach Koy Banal convincingly. With the new line-up, for me the Red Lions is still the team to beat in the upcoming NCAA season.

Yes, I agree but we need to take consider that PCU was suspended. It may be a different scenario if PCU was around.

[chellotte8]

Alumni ba si Frankie Lim ng San Beda!?

[Ferocious Lion]

^Yup.

Coach Frankie is a member the '77-'78 Red Lions Championship Team.

[chellotte8]

^Yup.

Coach Frankie is a member the '77-'78 Red Lions Championship Team.

Ok...

Thanks for the info...

Kaya siguro sobrang determined siyang talunin ang Ateneo nung last match nila sa Filoil...

[NYHC]

Is the current SBC coach good enough for you?

I think the reason for his success is because of the talent of SBC's current players when he went on board.

Parang kulang pa sa experience for me. Its pure luck and talent of the players that gave SBC the championship.


ok na sya sa amin..
and kung kami gusto namin mag champion ang RL, syempre lalo na sya, sya *** humawak ng responsibilidad ehh
Good luck coach frankie!
Animo San Beda!

[celtics]

Yes, I agree but we need to take consider that PCU was suspended. It may be a different scenario if PCU was around.

It happened before PCU was suspended. I think Coach Baculi took the helm as coach of the Dolphins in 2005. PCU reached the finals but was denied by Letran.

[red_beret]

Is the current SBC coach good enough for you?

I think the reason for his success is because of the talent of SBC's current players when he went on board.

Parang kulang pa sa experience for me. Its pure luck and talent of the players that gave SBC the championship.

Hopefully, he is improving with each game. Atsaka hindi naman one man show ang coaching staff ng RL. Madami syang kasamang competent assistant coaches. Each year nag-gain ng experience si Coach Frankie, in time he will gain the confidence and skill to stir this dynasty.

I agree (though) that much of our success depends on our talented line-up.

[deltoid]

Alumni ba si Frankie Lim ng San Beda!?

Sorry Offtopic but I have to correct this... Alumni? baka Alumnus... *okay*

[redboy]

Is the current SBC coach good enough for you?

I think the reason for his success is because of the talent of SBC's current players when he went on board.

Parang kulang pa sa experience for me. Its pure luck and talent of the players that gave SBC the championship.

To be candid, San Beda could have hired a better coach. It was a huge risk in hiring Lim to call the shots for the Lions. His lack of experience can be seen in those losses against college teams with formidable basketball system and cerebral coaches (i.e. Letran, La Salle, Ateneo, U.E., etc.). I agree that the strength of the team can be credited for the wins racked by the Lions. I read somewhere here in PEX that the dent in the armour of the Lions is the coach and that's the weakness any coach should exploit to beat the Bedans. If PCU was present last season, may tulog ang San Beda.

If anyone would keenly observe, coach Frankie Lim uses his starting five almost 30 mins every game as an assurance. He does not uses his bench that much. Naninigurado.

But, and I mean a big "BUT", the team and the whole Bedan community has to stick it out with coach Lim. Siya na ang coach, wala nang magagawa. It would only rock the boat if the bedan community would start asking for his replacement.

[redboy]

Ok...

Thanks for the info...

Kaya siguro sobrang determined siyang talunin ang Ateneo nung last match nila sa Filoil...

I highly doubt that was the reason. Matagal na yun.

Coach Frankie is always determined to beat every opponent. In addition thereto, ateneo beat san beda in a tune-up game months before.

[RedRidingDragon]

Sorry Offtopic but I have to correct this... Alumni? baka Alumnus... *okay*

Delts! nabuhay ka!*okay*

[chellotte8]

Sorry Offtopic but I have to correct this... Alumni? baka Alumnus... *okay*

Yes, I stand corrected...

[oca1]

Over the long term, Frankie Lim provides something for San Beda that no one among the current generation of coaches can provide.

STABILITY at the head coaching position.

Let's face it, almost every yung coach in this country would want to take on a head coaching job in the PBA. Even a PBL team is highly coveted. But with a Red Lion organization wanting to be among the dominant teams in the country, there must be stability in the head coaching post.

Do not expect Frankie Lim to entertain any offer(s) to coach another team at any level.

His Executive job at TnT provides him financial security. He wouldn't give it up to take a coaching job. Moreso, with another PBA team. If he has any ambition of coaching in the PBA, matagal na nag multi- tasking yan and made himself coach of the franchise he is managing. Pero hindi.

PBL? I doubt if it has any appeal to him.

Pero collegiate?

At his Alma Mater, whose primary financial benefactor is his boss at TnT?

Parang itinakdang mangyari.

Yes, marami siyang kakulangan to be head coach. But with a talented line-up, he can ride on those talents to win while learning how to be a coach.

Madali ang Xs and Os. Tayong mga miron kaya natin yan.

But yung strength of character and decisivenes, these are traits that must be inherent in a person, if he wants to be a good coach.

To those who have not seen Frankie play in college and through the PBA, he may not be the best guard we ever saw, pero hindi mo pwedeng tawaran ang competitiveness nyan.

When Ron Jacobs first became head coach of the National Team, he only retained 2 homegrown players after the bastardization of the line-up with Presidential Decreed pinoys - JB Yango and Frankie Lim.

Kung hindi nyo siya nakita maglaro, yung piliin siya ni Jacobs should be indicative how good player he was.

But, yes, coaching is different and he will have to learn "how to".

Can he become a coach?

There are already signs he is learning. He now has a better player rotation on a game long basis. He has immersed himself into coaching by also handling the Red Lions at 2 leagues this summer. Whereas, immediately after S83, at the FMC2, he had delegated the head coaching chores to his assistants. Ngayon, hawak niya ang mixed Team A and B players sa NSL.

May alam yan sa basketball, kung paano na lang mag-coach ang dapat niya matutunan, and a season after taking on the job, he has shown improvement.

Imo, he will be a very good coach in due time.

[DoctorWu]

^ very true oca. frankie lim is one true fighter. he surely wouldnt retreat from a fight. agrressive, he is not afraid to express his emotions. he has proven his loyalty to his alma mater and takes care and defends his players to the hilt. we have seen how he is constantly improving and i just hope we throw all our support to coach frankie. sabi nga niya, "challenge us in the basketball court and not in the boardroom, tama na yang puro kabaklaan". :lol:

ANIMO!

[mighty_lion]

Homegrown players and a homegrown coach. Ayos. :lol:

[Aleancelo]

Lim is certainly not the naive and inexperienced coach some people portray him to be. Prior to becoming San Beda coach (and even before becoming a PBA team manager), he served as assistant coach in the PBA for quite some time. Besides, you get better with age and experience. But Lim and Carbonnel should also prepare assistant coach JB Sison for the future. Send him to various coaching clinics. Keep the coaching staff intact and there will be a smooth turnover. Sison will be ripe for a head coaching stint in 10 years.

[pgma]

how many assistant coaches (aside from coach sison) does RL have?

[KevinDurant]

The fact that he has guided this team to a championship tells us that SBC should stick with him. There are still other coaches who cannot make a champion team even with the most talented roster...

Joe Lipa..in the early part of the decade at Ateneo..
Virgil Villavicencio..during DLSU's heartbreak years..

[nash_bedista]

how many assistant coaches (aside from coach sison) does RL have?

We got 3 Assistant coaches

Advani
Boni Garcia
Bonnie Carbonel
Ed Cordero
:)

[Ferocious Lion]

^ Add JB Sison and Jover Padilla.

[pgma]

^^
Jover Padilla? is this the tall guy? bago lang?

[Ferocious Lion]

^ Not so tall. They fondly call him the "Small J."

He's also a former Red Lion.

[blue&green]

i honestly think that the SBC RL is carrying the coach, Lim. as a coach, i think he is not that good but the team is so good that it makes the coach look good as well.

the true colors of the coach will show once he is given a not so good team. if Lim can make it to the F4 (the more if he wins the whole thing), then he is a good coach (Franz Pumaren is a good example)

[chellotte8]

i honestly think that the SBC RL is carrying the coach, Lim. as a coach, i think he is not that good but the team is so good that it makes the coach look good as well.

the true colors of the coach will show once he is given a not so good team. if Lim can make it to the F4 (the more if he wins the whole thing), then he is a good coach (Franz Pumaren is a good example)

How will we know then if Frankie Lim is a good coach then...?

I think that with the success of the RL, we can attribute some of that from the coach...

[pgma]

i honestly think that the SBC RL is carrying the coach, Lim. as a coach, i think he is not that good but the team is so good that it makes the coach look good as well.

the true colors of the coach will show once he is given a not so good team. if Lim can make it to the F4 (the more if he wins the whole thing), then he is a good coach (Franz Pumaren is a good example)


ok, cge. why don't u coach a team then lead it to championship... until then....

take note, sbc don't have to result to cheating to get back 2 back championship.

[oca1]

Imo, the first test for Frankie will come two years from now, I am sure he will still be coaching the RL at that time.

That is when Menor, Taganas, Tecson, and Gamalinda will no longer be around. How he would take the departure of that much talent will be tested.

After S84, SBC will no longer have Escobal and Ekwe. But Hermida will be a more mature and wiser player, and Udo will be a more experienced player. Imo, hindi gaano mapipilayan ang team as these two will take over the spots vacated by Escobal and Ekwe.

But after S85, wala na ang unang 4 na binanggit ko.

In college ball, for most programs, the loss of one or 2 key players can make a team fall from a finalist to a mere F4 aspirant.

If the young players will mature as projected, eg Lanete, Marcelo, Pascual, then Frankie will just have to reload. Pero kung hindi, he must rebuild.

Yun ang matinding pagsubok sa kahit sinong college coach- rebuilding.

But maybe we are going far ahead into the discussion. Dapat siguro i-define ano yung magaling na coach. Palagiang champion?
Palagiang finalist? Or pwede nang palagiang nasa F4?

[Aleancelo]

Dapat siguro i-define ano yung magaling na coach. Palagiang champion?
Palagiang finalist? Or pwede nang palagiang nasa F4?

Tama iyon. Maraming magaling na coach pero hindi nagcha-champion. Joe Lipa is a highly-respected coach. His only championship crowns were UP (1), Philips Sardines (1), RP team (2 SEAG titles). But look at how he inspired his players (even those who were not from UP).

[NYHC]

ok lang yan, magaling or hindi. as long as nagagawa nya *** role nya as a coach.. and sa ngayon and sa susunod pang mga taon.. mahahasa din si Coach Frankie and gagaling din sya katulad ng ibang coach na nasa isip nyo na magaling para sa inyo.
for me ok na sya sa RL ginagawa nya naman lahat ng makakya nya for the team.
Animo San Beda!

[Ferocious Lion]

^ There are pros and cons having Coach Frankie on board.

The most practical advantage he has as a coach, which redounds to the Red Lions' benefit, is his direct line to MVP who is literally just a call or text away. Also, Frankie appears to have the full support of MVP. Having a direct line to the team's no. 1 benefactor can bring a lot of resources for the team as we see now.

SBC coaches in the past do not have this benefit. Even Coach Koy has to go through Mike Advani then, perhaps, Frankie before he reaches MVP. Further, while MVP is ready to help, Coach Koy and the other before him still have to do a lot of convincing before their wish list is approved.

[blue&green]

ok, cge. why don't u coach a team then lead it to championship... until then....

take note, sbc don't have to result to cheating to get back 2 back championship.

dude, that was an opinion only. napaka balat-sibuyas mo naman to react in a negative manner. it's my opinion. look, i firmly believe that he is being carried by the whole team. the question is: can he do it once the all-star line up of SBC (ekwe, escobal, etc.) is gone and based on my observation on his current coaching skills, no. i have the same opinion on Joel Banal when he led the Ateneo team to the championship 5 years ago.

@chellotte8

i believe in oca1's post. in S84, where ekwe et al. are gone. if he can make the RLs a contender or better yet, a champion, then we know that he is a good coach.

[DoctorWu]

@pgma and chelotte. brothers, blue&green is just expressing his honest opinion and we bedans, should honor that. if you dont agree with that, you can always engage him in a healthy discussion. no need to post things which would encourage bashing which are trying to eradicate in pex (at least in the ncaa threads). we'll try to ignore the trolls as much as possible. worse comes to worst, we bash when we get bashed (if ones's really hitting below the belt).;)

ANIMO

[tsinamanph]

i think pgma is from ssc-r - not from san beda..just an fyi.

anyways, dr. wu is correct.

but we will always bash the bashers.. :) KUYOG!

[pgma]

i think pgma is from ssc-r - not from san beda..just an fyi.

anyways, dr. wu is correct.

but we will always bash the bashers.. :) KUYOG!



let me tell you what i think.
you are from jru?

but we will always bash the bashers.. :) KUYOG
:D

[pgma]

@pgma and chelotte. brothers, blue&green is just expressing his honest opinion and we bedans, should honor that. if you dont agree with that, you can always engage him in a healthy discussion. no need to post things which would encourage bashing which are trying to eradicate in pex (at least in the ncaa threads). we'll try to ignore the trolls as much as possible. worse comes to worst, we bash when we get bashed (if ones's really hitting below the belt).;)

ANIMO

sure, we are all entitled to our own opinion. and i'm not taking that away from any body.

[pgma]

btw, let me congratulate Coach Frankie and his assistants for winning against jru. its 3-0.

[mighty_lion]

Coach Frankie's run & gun system is quite difficult and exhaustive to implement. It require talents more than atheletes, basketball IQs more than just skills. I think this year is the full realization of what Coach Frankie has envisioned when he took over the head coaching position last year. Let Coach Frankie master the fundamentals of run & gun first (until now marami pa syang variations and hybrids na ginagawa to expand further) and lateron he will rely with that system than just his players.

I agree that the graduation of Menor, Gamalinda, Tecson and Taganas will be a huge loss for SBC come season 86. Rebuilding year as mentioned. But I think these will be the key to reciprocate the the huge loss:
- Hermida is still there to lead the team.
- Lanete's game has matured faster than expected. This season alone expect him to come off the bench playing like a hybrid of Escobal and Menor.
- Pascual and Marcelo's offensive game will only mature in 2 years time.

[Hatch Roundhead]

Nananakot ka naman sir mighty lion. Baka wala nang lumaban sa San Beda niyan. he hehe. Sa PEX na lang.

[iyurts]

base sa nababasa ko si Gamalinda at Lanete na ang nagdadala sa RL sa NSL!

[Lionboy]

one of the future go to guy's in the next few years is marcelo.batang bata pa to and many years of playing time.

[pulang leon]

dude, that was an opinion only. napaka balat-sibuyas mo naman to react in a negative manner. it's my opinion. look, i firmly believe that he is being carried by the whole team. the question is: can he do it once the all-star line up of SBC (ekwe, escobal, etc.) is gone and based on my observation on his current coaching skills, no. i have the same opinion on Joel Banal when he led the Ateneo team to the championship 5 years ago.

@chellotte8

i believe in oca1's post. in S84, where ekwe et al. are gone. if he can make the RLs a contender or better yet, a champion, then we know that he is a good coach.

And who do you think can? Kung wala nang magagaling sa Red Lions, kahit si Phil Jackson pa ilagay mo diyan, hindi pa rin yan mananalo kung wala nang magagaling. Kahit nag si Phil Jackson natalo sa Finals even with Kobe, Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Payton sa Lakers one time eh. Tingin mo ba mananalo pa rin yung Bulls with Phils Jackson without Michael Jordan and do you think the Lakers would've still been number one without Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol? C'mon... Basketball team is what it is... a TEAM. One person can be a BIG HELP to a team but one person can not do it alone. Even with spectacular performances by Kobe, his team does not always win even him playing at his best. Same goes with Phil Jackson coaching his best, Jordan, etc.

The same goes with the San Beda Red Lions. The players have talent, but for me, I have not seen anything that made me think Frankie Lim is incapable of leading a very talented team and maximizing their skills and winning. I'm sure they will be other coaches that can be better, but we can't keep changing coaches and test each coach each game or each year, it doesn't work that way. Right now, San Beda has chosen him because he was the best option at the time and we are sticking with him even we know there could be a better coach that we don't know, but as long as he gets the job done, he can keep it. He's our priority too anyway simply because he is a Bedan.

[blue&green]

And who do you think can? Kung wala nang magagaling sa Red Lions, kahit si Phil Jackson pa ilagay mo diyan, hindi pa rin yan mananalo kung wala nang magagaling. Kahit nag si Phil Jackson natalo sa Finals even with Kobe, Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Payton sa Lakers one time eh. Tingin mo ba mananalo pa rin yung Bulls with Phils Jackson without Michael Jordan and do you think the Lakers would've still been number one without Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol? C'mon... Basketball team is what it is... a TEAM. One person can be a BIG HELP to a team but one person can not do it alone. Even with spectacular performances by Kobe, his team does not always win even him playing at his best. Same goes with Phil Jackson coaching his best, Jordan, etc.

The same goes with the San Beda Red Lions. The players have talent, but for me, I have not seen anything that made me think Frankie Lim is incapable of leading a very talented team and maximizing their skills and winning. I'm sure they will be other coaches that can be better, but we can't keep changing coaches and test each coach each game or each year, it doesn't work that way. Right now, San Beda has chosen him because he was the best option at the time and we are sticking with him even we know there could be a better coach that we don't know, but as long as he gets the job done, he can keep it. He's our priority too anyway simply because he is a Bedan.

first of all, hindi ko naman sinabi na bigyan mo ng bobong team si coach frankie. give him a mediocre team and, for now, i doubt if he will be able to do the same things he is doing now. there are a few coaches in the local scene that can actually transform a no-star line up to a good team. case in point is franz pumaren. DLSU was really not a star-studded team like SBC but they were able to do miracles last season. they even beat an Ekwe led team in the FilOil competition. another case is coach Norman Black. look at how he steered the blue eagles to the final four and almost the finals. everybody was saying that with the departure of the big 3 of ateneo, they are not expecting too much from them. look at how coach capacio led the rookie-laden tamaraws to a wonderful season, with the tams almost making it to the final 4. in the ncaa, look at coach alas. he steered the knights to a finals stint. this came a year after his star players graduated. those, for me, are good coaches.

as i have said time and time again, the real test will come when Ekwe and probably escobal graduates. as i view it, SBC is dominating the league because of this behemoth and the play making skills of escobal. now, i am not saying that SBC will not be a championship team when Ekwe is gone but it will depend on the coaching. i am not saying that SBC should change coaches, no not now. there is chemistry already. but this is not the true test for Lim.

lastly, i have never said that basketball is a one-man game. i even said that when the star players of the team graduate. team nga pero look at the starting five... escobal and ekwe pa lang, panalo na. magaling pa *** asa ibang 3 position. and *** subs, pwede nang starting players ng ibang team. that is my point. SBC is a talent-laden team as of now. the true test for Lim will come when he coaches a no-star team.