Abducted UP Coeds "Safe" and "Sound"

[tyanak_soo]

At least one witness in the writ of Amparo for abducted UP students Cadapan and Empeño spoke of seeing one of the girls tortured by the military. The witness, former captive Raymond Manalo, said Cadapan was totured by her military captors after learning of her plan to inform her mother-in-law where she and Empeño have been held captive by the Military for more than a year now. The place was Camp Tecson in San Miguel Bulacan. The mother-in-law testified that Cadapan was escorted by five military men durign a "visit" in April last year.

Actually, rumors that the girls were being held safe and largely unharmed in a military camp somewhere in Central Luzon has been circulating in UP last year, even before the May elections. But this is the first solid disclosure by two eye witnesses.

Got the above from the latest Collegian.

And to my dear non-UP PEXER friends who have been dissing UP students for their so-called "radical" stance and criticizing UP's treatment of Esperon during his last "homecoming" to UP, think what a one-year absence does to a family. Two in this case.

[Dacs]

Eto ba yung buntis na na-abduct before?

[bLue_spirit]

I'm not from UP but I join you in your disgust towards the military and the government if what you said is indeed true. This is completely unacceptable and the world should know what is happening with those girls.

[tyanak_soo]

The next time Esperon visits UP, they should throw molotov cocktails at him. Lying SOB!

[ЅUX2BÜ]

I prefer more eggs. Throwing more eggs is way more poetic.

:)

[starczamora]

Oh yeah, show disgust towards the government that pays their schooling. What a great showing of appreciation. :rolleyes:

[n3X]

^^Hahaha Eto nanaman tayo e. May thread na po yata nag-tackle niyan dito.

In any case, we dont owe anything to the government. And they don't pay for our education. Citizens do.

[la_flash]

^^Hahaha Eto nanaman tayo e. May thread na po yata nag-tackle niyan dito.

In any case, we dont owe anything to the government. And they don't pay for our education. Citizens do.

it is the government that made the policies, that made the laws, that enacts the laws in a name of public service.

the government is acting in behalf of the citizens for the common good.

now, you owe your education to the government which represents the state and the people.

again, to whom you owe your education?

[tantararantaran]

it is the government that made the policies, that made the laws, that enacts the laws in a name of public service.

the government is acting in behalf of the citizens for the common good.

now, you owe your education to the government which represents the state and the people.

again, to whom you owe your education?

again, from the citizens of the country. That is the "should be" government (the bold statement), but how does our government act? for heaven's sake, no one owes anything to the government. The citizens make the government, not the other way around! so the government must serve the citizens, not the other way around either.

Dude, if you are equating our country with the government (Philippines=Philippine government), then your concept of your country is down to the dogs. If abducting Coeds is your country's way of enacting policies for the common good (and bypassing the judicial system that the same government, ergo your country, instituted), then you should be very afraid of your country.

and by the way, don't get me wrong. I really wouldn't mind paying some respects, albeit unnecessary, to the government, if it does justice to its people. But the way I (and most citizens) see it, it is far from doing so. So no kudos, much less thank you, to the government that you owe so much.

[KuyaDanny]

Well said.

There are many ways to serve the country, and repay debts "owed" to citizens, without involving the government.

[la_flash]

:again, from the citizens of the country. That is the "should be" government (the bold statement), but how does our government act? for heaven's sake, no one owes anything to the government. The citizens make the government, not the other way around! so the government must serve the citizens, not the other way around either.


Of course. It is a basic concept of a state. The government serves the people and not the other way around. Did I say otherwise.

All I said is that the government is run by a select few who should be doing things for our common good. Not everybody can be leader. Not everybody can have the last say. Not everybody can enact a law. Not everybody can revise a law.

The people select "a few good men" to run the government. The executive can have power to select "a few good men" to serve as his advisers and "alter-ego" and to help him run the office.

This is a basic concept.

I really don't know what you're babbling about.


Dude, if you are equating our country with the government (Philippines=Philippine government), then your concept of your country is down to the dogs.


I am not equating. I said the government represents the people and the state. :rolleyes:



If abducting Coeds is your country's way of enacting policies for the common good (and bypassing the judicial system that the same government, ergo your country, instituted), then you should be very afraid of your country.


and where did i say that abducting coeds is my country's way of enacting policies, eh? :rolleyes: Please don't put words into my mouth.


and by the way, don't get me wrong. I really wouldn't mind paying some respects, albeit unnecessary, to the government, if it does justice to its people. But the way I (and most citizens) see it, it is far from doing so. So no kudos, much less thank you, to the government that you owe so much.

I owe my education to the government and I pay respect for them. But that does not stop me from criticizing the government. Geesh... :rolleyes:

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Bottomline, I did not say that abducting the coeds is a good thing. The ones who did it, and the ones who ordered it should be punished for violating human rights.

I was only reacting to n3x's post that "education is a right" and that we don't owe anything to the government.

:rolleyes:

[la_flash]

Well said.

There are many ways to serve the country, and repay debts "owed" to citizens, without involving the government.

So we don't owe anything from Cory when she fought for our democracy? We don't owe anything from military when they fought for our political stability (against coups and all)? We don't owe anything from the congressmen who enacted laws that are badly needed by our country?

The government owes their power to the citizens. The government serves the people. There are no questions about that.

But if the government or any leader/legislator/justice did something good, the least that you can do is pay them respect. The debt that you owe them can only be paid by serving this country in return. Help continue the legacy (the good one, of course) that they have left behind.

[cretinous00]

Why hijack the thread for another round of stupid the-government/state/citizens-subsidize-your-education?

What have the girls done to deserve being held longer than a year in a military camp and suffer occasional torture? Mga hindi nag-college talaga sa UP, 'o. Tsk-tsk-tsk.

[n3X]

^^ I think you're in the wrong thread. I never said anything here about " 'education is a right' and that we don't owe anything to the government." Sa kabila yun.

So whats really your point? We owe them thanks? hahaha At saka owe "from?" Ano raw.

Kasi no one "owes" Cory, the military or any decent leader anything. We dont "owe" them anything when they do something good. Siyempre some appreciation naman din. Pero its primarily their job. In fact, they owe it to us to do good because we sacrificed some of our freedoms so that their office may be vested with power. So what's this paying this "debt" only through by serving this country "in return?" Get your theories straight.

[KuyaDanny]

The first post of this thread has been copied to a related LaFI thread (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322524). The subject is a human rights issue and the proper (or improper) treatment of citizens. Even if the matter involves students, the discussion is better handled outside The Academe.

You may choose to continue the divergent discussions in the LaFI thread, if you want to talk about the students and the military's handling of the situation, or another thread in The Academe, if you want to talk about serving the country.