Buenafe, Bringas and now Salva-why are they refusing to play for the RP Youth?

[jungleboy]

Buenafe, Arvie Bringas and Salva are shoo-ins for the RP Youth, yet none of them are playing. Does anyone know the reason/reasons why?

[archer_reigns]

kids nowadays don't see it compelling to play for our country anymore. or maybe they're like mere puppets taking advices from people older than them.. very dissappointing.

[Bomberboy]

Buenafe, Arvie Bringas and Salva are shoo-ins for the RP Youth, yet none of them are playing. Does anyone know the reason/reasons why?

kailangan pa bang imemorize iyan? :rotflmao: let's ask the ateneans

[math01]

sayang.. ang lakas sana nila kung andyan ang tatlo.. tsktsk

[Big Ticket]

ask their future college teams....gusto malamang nila maglaro, pinagbabawalan lang, baka mawala kasi yun investment ng mga swapang na colleges na yan

sad state of philippine basketball...

[Bomberboy]

ask their future college teams....gusto malamang nila maglaro, pinagbabawalan lang, baka mawala kasi yun investment ng mga swapang na colleges na yan

sad state of philippine basketball...

actually isang school lang naman iyun at hindi lang sila college university na po. just had to make that clear baka may mag-react na minamaliit sila.

[sj_redlion]

sayang naman. Hindi na ba priority ng colleges ang nationbuilding or empowerment? nung si pong nga at si ogie hindi naglaro sa sea games. medyo nadismaya ako

[dioning]

baka naman hindi na youth
kundi gayut

[about face]

Iba na talaga ngayon. Walang paki ang ADMU kung national team man yan.

Project pa naman ni MVP yan, di man lang pinagbigyan ng Ateneo. Yung mga bata naman, minsan lang yan dadaan sa 17 yrs old. Minsan lang ang pagkakataong maging national youth team member.

[nash_bedista]

*** si Ken Barracoso nag decide na tpusin ang pagaaral dahil sa position na Small Forward ng Ateneo, Bench na agad siya.

Buenafe and Salva. tsk syang naman prestige yan e

[Mr. Brownstone]

well, ganito lang yan. si bigote kasi walang player sa rp youth, eh di sabi niya kung maglalaro sa team eh hindi na pwede sa uaap o ncaa. madali sa kanya sabihin yun dahil wala siyang player sa rp youth.

at meron din siyang sinabi rin sa mga player -- hindi lang yung tatlo -- na biglang binawi.

kayo naman iniisip niyo porke hindi na maglalaro hindi nationalistic. eh ano ngayon kung nandyan si mvp. to begin with hindi naman polido yung idea or proposal ng "fusion" or however pato wants to call it.

[Bahay_Kubo]

pare-pareho lang naggagapangan at nagsusuwapangan ang mga yan. wala talaga ni isa sa kanila ang may tunay na puso para sa larong basketball. wala talaga. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Brownstone]

and why don't you ask david dichupa what he's telling the players. and fyi, meron pa nag back out na iba. hindi lang yung tatlo. and he's not playing for a uaap school.

[Bahay_Kubo]

pare-pareho lang naggagapangan at nagsusuwapangan ang mga yan. wala talaga ni isa sa kanila ang may tunay na puso para sa larong basketball. wala talaga. :rolleyes:

i am referring to the people running the show at BAP-SBP, the national team, etc., not the players. ;)

[CAV]

Well buti pa JRU, Nationalistic talaga they allowed both Jerome Ramos and Jerome Cruz to play for the RP youth team. Jose Rizal must be smiling!

[vagged]

and why don't you ask david dichupa what he's telling the players. and fyi, meron pa nag back out na iba. hindi lang yung tatlo. and he's not playing for a uaap school.

So now you blame franz and dave for the sudden withdrawal of salva and company? care to elaborate on what dave and/or franz said to the boys? Isnt sandy supposed to be there to "guard" franz and his wards? you keep on blaming others for what is really supposed to be your concern! Are you saying that ateneo is still insecure that their prospective recruits might be snatched from them? Hmmmm. Ateneo scared of franz and dave? thats all rubbish! If ateneo has a stronghold on their prospects they need not fear anyone. The truth please, nothing less, otherwise its all spin to make franz, dave and dlsu look bad.

[blue&green]

why do you guys assume na ateneo ang nagsabi? baka naman personal decision yan nung player.

[rhk111]

I feel that the people behind the RP Youth Team was courting trouble when they insisted that the players should play only for the team this season. A lot of schools will not likely allow that to happen, considering the competitiveness of our collegiate basketball tournaments here. There's a lot of pressure on those coaches to deliver victories, & blue chip players are an important component of that victory.

I think the players CAN play both for the RP Youth Team & their school teams (providing their schools are in Manila, since that is where the RP Youth training is being done). In the end, by asking the players to choose between the team & their schools, there are bound to be some casualties on both sides, as is what is happening now. The sad part, is that the schools are winning, as the better players ended up choosing their schools instead.

[Bomberboy]

why do you guys assume na ateneo ang nagsabi? baka naman personal decision yan nung player.

sure, the personal decision angle plus the bigote angle both exist but i just find it so hard to believe these considering that all three are going to attend the ateneo next year (despite the assertions that rumors lang daw iyun or by uttering the never dying cliche of "unless the player enrolls anything can happen") hence that assumption. simply put, ateneo is the constant here kaya hindi maiwasang mapaisip na may konek sila sa iyung ito.

let me dwell on the personal decision angle. sa totoo lang, nawalan na ng ganitong right ang mga players ngayon kasi high school pa lang eh marami ng nanghihimasok na advisers kuno niya. isama mo pa diyan iyung pag-iinfluence ng mga recruiter sa mga magulang ng players. mahirap paniwalaan na personal decision ito given the events that took place leading to this tulad ng 1) pag attend ng mass at informal intro ni norman kay ryan buenafe as their star recruit for next year, 2) buenafe wearing ateneo t-shirts while going to class at baste, 3) buenafe, bringas, salva and the other high profile recruits practicing at moro already and 4) confirmation that buenafe and salva took the acet already among others.

now assuming ateneo nga mismo nagsabi or nagadvice sa kanila not to play with rp youth anymore eh mukhang mali naman iyan. ok, palagpasin natin iyung lesser evil in barring buenafe at salva to play, isipin na lang natin na parang pinoprotektahan lang ng ateneo iyung "investments" nila, sure garapal ito pero kung walang papalag at di rin pwedeng umangal iyung mga bata eh di walang mangyayari. pero pagdating kay bringas eh medyo off naman ata, unang una lalaro pa daw sa baste iyung bata next year so dapat hands off muna sana ateneo sa kanya. kung ganito nga iyung case ni bringas eh konting delicadeza lang naman sana.

[Mr. Brownstone]

nope ateneo didn't tell them not to play. and why should they when they aren't even enrolled yet? it was their decision.

[koolkat]

^^May not be Ateneo the school, but it could be coaches, alumni, whoever.

In the case of Bringas, must be San Sebastian as they may want to go for another NCAA crown.

Whatever the case, it is true that these kids could not make this decision on their own. Their parents, managers, recruiters, all had a hand in this.

[vagged]

nope ateneo didn't tell them not to play. and why should they when they aren't even enrolled yet? it was their decision.

pure rubbish! You say they aren't even enrolled yet? Then why do you brag about them as if they are already ateneo property? I also asked you what dave "alledgedly" told the the players, care to elaborate?

Salva was ready to play for the Youth team, his sudden change of heart was caused by the ateneo coaching staff telling him to do so and thats a fact!

[Mr. Brownstone]

who is bragging about them going to ateneo? if there are those who say that then they shouldn't. not even norman says anything.

and why don't you ask dichupa what he told the players na lang. sounds like you know him anyway

[David Seaman]

Mr. Brownstone, bakit hindi mo mailabas ang sinabi ng DLSU team manager dito as least mas mabigat na proof yan kung bakit ayaw maglaro ni Buenafe at Salva sa RP youth? Pag nailabas na yan, tingin ko, tapos na ang usapan sa thread na ito.

Sorry po pero I don't accept na personal decision yan ng mga bata. May mga nakatatandang nag-advice sa mga batang yan na wag na maglaro irregardless of si bigote, sinabi ni Dichupa, or ng Ateneo ang may dahilan kung bakit nagdesisyon na hindi na maglaro itong mga ito.

[vagged]

who is bragging about them going to ateneo? if there are those who say that then they shouldn't. not even norman says anything.

and why don't you ask dichupa what he told the players na lang. sounds like you know him anyway

its all over the broadsheets and sports shows Mr. Brownstone! Norman need not say anything cause apparently the ateneo PR machinery was in full gear bragging about it!

now you cant even say what it is that dave "alledgedly" told the players? He is a respectable man and for you to try to malign his reputation by implying that he said something that might have changed the minds of the kids is unfair if you cant back it up with facts.

[blue eyed baby]

guys let us be realistic. As much as they want to be patriotic and nationalistic, these boys have to attend classes and satisfy their academic requirements. You just can't pull them out of school for a week or more to compete in the middle of september. Definitely their grades will suffer. Show me a teacher willing to give them high marks for playing for flag and country and I will show you a teacher not worthy of her profession. No school no grade as simple as that!

[about face]

^^Yung mga sabi sabi, ang tawag nun "hearsay". Madaling sabihing nagsabi si ganito ganun, ni hindi yung pinagsabihan kuno, ang nagsasabi dito.

For sure, di maglalaro ang tatlo sa RP Youth. Ano ang dahilan, eh maglalaro naman sila sa Ateneo (si Bringas yata HS pa). Kung di sila ma pullout from school sa September ng isang linggo, di school(ateneo) nga ang pumipigil! Yun lang naman ang sinasabi ng iba dito.

[Shyboy]

guys let us be realistic. As much as they want to be patriotic and nationalistic, these boys have to attend classes and satisfy their academic requirements. You just can't pull them out of school for a week or more to compete in the middle of september. Definitely their grades will suffer. Show me a teacher willing to give them high marks for playing for flag and country and I will show you a teacher not worthy of her profession. No school no grade as simple as that!

So are you saying we just forego all international Youth tournaments? Lame excuse.

[vagged]

guys let us be realistic. As much as they want to be patriotic and nationalistic, these boys have to attend classes and satisfy their academic requirements. You just can't pull them out of school for a week or more to compete in the middle of september. Definitely their grades will suffer. Show me a teacher willing to give them high marks for playing for flag and country and I will show you a teacher not worthy of her profession. No school no grade as simple as that!

If thats the case why doesnt ateneo pull out frank golla too? :) Maybe because he is not considered "blue chip"?

[blue&green]

pure rubbish! You say they aren't even enrolled yet? Then why do you brag about them as if they are already ateneo property? I also asked you what dave "alledgedly" told the the players, care to elaborate?

Salva was ready to play for the Youth team, his sudden change of heart was caused by the ateneo coaching staff telling him to do so and thats a fact!

dlsu bragged about JC Intal as their next recruit and yet, JC did not go to DLSU. a friend of mine told me this one. Ogie Menor, i was told, was hooked by pumaren and yet, he decided to go back to SBC.

do you have proof regarding this fact? the "fact" you are trying to sell to us is, as for now, is purely hypothetical since you do not have concrete proof of your allegations. facts are proven claims, which means you have to prove it first by presenting something concrete and believable.

[blue&green]

So are you saying we just forego all international Youth tournaments? Lame excuse.

it's the students' prerogative if he wants to play or not. the decision to play is in their hands and they have the final say. if they think that their grades will suffer if they play, then they have every right to decline. if, for example, they are as smart as chris tiu and still, they decided not to play, then that is suspicious. looking at some of the posts here regarding these students, if their grades suffer more, then their chance of graduation may be bleak.

a religion teacher once told the class: if the person is so hungry and he is in the verge of death and he steals some food, that act could be forgiven because of the fact that he might die due to hunger. he then said that the reason behind this is the fact that how can this person serve God if he is dead. he is better off alive. i think this could apply in this discussion as well. what good, in the long-run, can these guys do if they do not build a better future for them. so as far as i am concerned, if the excuse used is regarding grades, then they have every right to decline the youth team.

[blue&green]

If thats the case why doesnt ateneo pull out frank golla too? :) Maybe because he is not considered "blue chip"?

i'm not aware that golla has the same academic problems these players we are talking about have..

[about face]

^^ Ahh, si Salva pala may academic problems din. Akala ko si Buenafe lang at si Bringas......

[blue eyed baby]

it's the students' prerogative if he wants to play or not. the decision to play is in their hands and they have the final say. if they think that their grades will suffer if they play, then they have every right to decline. if, for example, they are as smart as chris tiu and still, they decided not to play, then that is suspicious. looking at some of the posts here regarding these students, if their grades suffer more, then their chance of graduation may be bleak.

a religion teacher once told the class: if the person is so hungry and he is in the verge of death and he steals some food, that act could be forgiven because of the fact that he might die due to hunger. he then said that the reason behind this is the fact that how can this person serve God if he is dead. he is better off alive. i think this could apply in this discussion as well. what good, in the long-run, can these guys do if they do not build a better future for them. so as far as i am concerned, if the excuse used is regarding grades, then they have every right to decline the youth team.

^^ thank you! my sentiments exactly. These are students FIRST and athletes Second!

[Shyboy]

So if they play college ball, it won't affect their studies? Either way, college ball or National team stint, it would eat significant time off their schooling.

[blue eyed baby]

So if they play college ball, it won't affect their studies? Either way, college ball or National team stint, it would eat significant time off their schooling.

^^Will you be able to submit a term paper,ace a unit test or even participate in classroom activities if you were thousands of miles away from the country? it is just too bad that the youth events run smack with our academic calendar. i guess the other participating youth athletes of the other countries are on summer break.

[about face]

Isang linggo lang ang youth tournament. Nandito rin sila sa maynila sa training. Ano ba naman ang isang linggo. Puwedeng humingi ng extra work habang nasa youth tournament.

Dahilan na lang yan. Nawala lang si Barracoso kaya kailangan nila ng pamalit.

[Big Ticket]

baka yun mga nagtatanggol kay na buenafe puro may "blue" yun nickname?

[SukcuR]

Marunong pa kayo sa amin. Eh kung gusto na naming isama sa team sina ryan at nico.

OBF!

[twelve_12]

Marunong pa kayo sa amin. Eh kung gusto na naming isama sa team sina ryan at nico.

OBF!

Then, it just shows your school's and your recruits' priorities.

[Bomberboy]

^^Will you be able to submit a term paper,ace a unit test or even participate in classroom activities if you were thousands of miles away from the country? it is just too bad that the youth events run smack with our academic calendar. i guess the other participating youth athletes of the other countries are on summer break.

double morality naman kayo eh. palibhasa may bested interest dahil mga nabili na nila, este na-recruit na, sina buenafe, bringas at salva. kung wala kang affiliation sa taeneo eh baka maiintindihan pa kita, pero hindi eh. you only make the argument para damage control for not letting the young non-ateneo hs recruits participate in the youth tournament. pero huwag ka, i'm sure pag ibang school iyan eh di titigil sa katatalak itong mga atenista. tama nga iyung mga nagpost dito, ang gagaling ng spin doctors niyo. ang tanong eh, gagraduate ng ba ng hs si buenafe?

[vagged]

dlsu bragged about JC Intal as their next recruit and yet, JC did not go to DLSU. a friend of mine told me this one. Ogie Menor, i was told, was hooked by pumaren and yet, he decided to go back to SBC.

do you have proof regarding this fact? the "fact" you are trying to sell to us is, as for now, is purely hypothetical since you do not have concrete proof of your allegations. facts are proven claims, which means you have to prove it first by presenting something concrete and believable.

proof? of course i do! i will PM to you the mobile # of the foster parent of the best friend of nico from LSGH/ san beda and thay can and very well tell you that it was indeed ateneo who told nico's parents to withdraw from the youth team.

As far as intal and menor is concerned they both "changed" their mind at the 11th hour. thats the way the recruitment wars are played.

Again i confidently say that ateneo was behind the sudden withdrawal of salva and thats a FACT!!!

[vagged]

i'm not aware that golla has the same academic problems these players we are talking about have..

We're not talking about academic problems here! Golla was not taken out of the youth team because he will not make the cut in ateneo and therefore will offer no threat to ateneo whether he skips a year or not!

Spin Spin Spin! thats what ateneo is doing now! open your eyes!:rotflmao:

[blue&green]

We're not talking about academic problems here! Golla was not taken out of the youth team because he will not make the cut in ateneo and therefore will offer no threat to ateneo whether he skips a year or not!

Spin Spin Spin! thats what ateneo is doing now! open your eyes!:rotflmao:

sir, please refer to the post of blue eyed baby, which you quoted. he was referring to the academics aspect of the whole situation and i just simplified it by talking about the alleged ateneo recruits and golla. now, the decision of not playing for the country, as me and my fellow ateneo supporters have been saying, is a personal decision. if the player thinks that playing for the country somehow compromises his studies, then his attention should be in his school work.

now, your accusation against golla (and in fact, those three as well) is kinda like a post hoc ergo propter hoc (or faulty cause). it doesn't follow that if these three are locked in for ateneo, or golla not a contender for the team A, and they don't want, or do want, to play for the team, ateneo caused their decision to be the way it is.

[blue&green]

Isang linggo lang ang youth tournament. Nandito rin sila sa maynila sa training. Ano ba naman ang isang linggo. Puwedeng humingi ng extra work habang nasa youth tournament.

Dahilan na lang yan. Nawala lang si Barracoso kaya kailangan nila ng pamalit.

sir, it looks like you are not reading the newspapers. i know, for a fact, and pumaren, as far as i remember,was quoted on this, that they will go to the US to train for the youth games.

[blue&green]

So if they play college ball, it won't affect their studies? Either way, college ball or National team stint, it would eat significant time off their schooling.

sir, playing college ball and playing for the youth team are two different scenarios. training in the US and training in the Philippines are two different things.

[blue&green]

proof? of course i do! i will PM to you the mobile # of the foster parent of the best friend of nico from LSGH/ san beda and thay can and very well tell you that it was indeed ateneo who told nico's parents to withdraw from the youth team.

As far as intal and menor is concerned they both "changed" their mind at the 11th hour. thats the way the recruitment wars are played.

Again i confidently say that ateneo was behind the sudden withdrawal of salva and thats a FACT!!!

1. anyone can give a number and the person on the other line can be anyone. that argument won't even stand up in court. also, even if it is true that that someone is the real thing, it still won't matter as it is hearsay and still, that won't stand up in court.

2. i was referring to your post about the bragging stuff. you said that it was:

pure rubbish! You say they aren't even enrolled yet? Then why do you brag about them as if they are already ateneo property? I also asked you what dave "alledgedly" told the the players, care to elaborate?

this post was your reply to the other poster regarding his claim that they are not yet enrolled. i just simply said that dlsu bragged about intal and menor like they are "la salle property" and yet, they failed to land them, didn't they?

3. facts are proven claims. you still haven't proven anything. your statements are simply claims. nothing more nothing less. :)

[blue&green]

Then, it just shows your school's and your recruits' priorities.

hasn't it occurred to you that he might not be who he says he is?

[twelve_12]

1. anyone can give a number and the person on the other line can be anyone. that argument won't even stand up in court. also, even if it is true that that someone is the real thing, it still won't matter as it is hearsay and still, that won't stand up in court.

Sir, we are not in a legal proceeding. That being said, I would give more weight on vagged's (who is a La Salle/college hoops insider) claim even if it's just second hand info than somebody's baseless claim that Nico's (as well as the other recruits') decision not to play for the Youth team was his personal decision and that it was because he wanted to focus on his studies.

[David Seaman]

vagged, may nakapagsabi sa kin na iba ang kaso ni Intal kaya siya lumipat ng Ateneo hehehe.

[tumbler]

^ care to share?

[jungleboy]

As to the training in the US, that will be during summer, so no one will miss classes (end of March).

The SEABA is in May during summer again. They already knew that way back, so no reason to now use it as an excuse.

[blue&green]

Sir, we are not in a legal proceeding. That being said, I would give more weight on vagged's (who is a La Salle/college hoops insider) claim even if it's just second hand info than somebody's baseless claim that Nico's (as well as the other recruits') decision not to play for the Youth team was his personal decision and that it was because he wanted to focus on his studies.

sir, my only point is that sir vagged is using fallacies for his arguments. the fallacy, argument from personal incredulity, which means that the speaker believes that something is true because he is unwilling to consider that his premise might be false. the abscence of evidence is the one that did his statement in. if their is evidence that ateneo is behind the withdrawal, beside the hearsay statement, then there is no reason for us to not believe what you guys claim.

[blue&green]

As to the training in the US, that will be during summer, so no one will miss classes (end of March).

The SEABA is in May during summer again. They already knew that way back, so no reason to now use it as an excuse.

aren't there classes in march? then their classes might be affected by this. also, the FIBA-ASIA will be in September in Iran. are you telling me that this might not affect their college life?

[vagged]

vagged, may nakapagsabi sa kin na iba ang kaso ni Intal kaya siya lumipat ng Ateneo hehehe.

It was supposed to be JR reyes and intal together isama mo na si kramer but i leave ateneo to give you the reason. Sinigurado nalang namin na walang championship si kramer at si intal :rotflmao:

[blue&green]

It was supposed to be JR reyes and intal together isama mo na si kramer but i leave ateneo to give you the reason. Sinigurado nalang namin na walang championship si kramer at si intal :rotflmao:


meron naman isa. hehe *** dapat 5peat ng dlsu.:rotflmao:

[dioning]

nasagap ko nung sabado ng gabi
ayon sa mga usap-usapan
si golla daw magla-lasalle

[blue eyed baby]

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Re: THE TSISMIS THREAD - makibahagi ng nababalitaan, pero careful, careful...
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I want to divert the discussion a bit back to this, begging everyone else's indulgence. This whole thing about Nico Salva opting to forego his stint with the RP Youth team has, ever so predicatably, turned into an exchange of words between Ateneans and La Sallians here in gameface. But here's my take, from someone who doesn't come from either school:

I think requiring the youth players to skip this coming varsity season is a step in the right direction, as it will help make the boys as prepared and as focused as possible. I admire the players who will make this type of commitment. Now if a player like Salva wants out, then there's not much the coaching staff can do about it, whatever his reasons may be. I may not agree with what the real reason appears to be, but like I said not much can be done about it.

That being said, if the coaching staff is requiring this type of commitment from the players, then I think it is only fair that they set an example and walk the walk. Therefore, I think Franz Pumaren should also take a leave from coaching La Salle this coming season. Same thing for Sandy A. and Ato Badolato. For until they stop making themselves exceptions to the rule, they will not have that much moral authority to stop players from dropping out of the pool.

Now, Pato Gregorio was quoted as saying that coaching is nto as physically strenuous as actually playing, hence the SBP's allowing Pumaren to continue coaching DLSU this year. Well I think that's all baloney. Coaching two different teams may not be as physically demanding as playing on two teams, but it sure as hell is more mentally draining, not to mention time-consuming. And assuming, without conceding, that Pato is right, wouldn't it still be great if the coaches lead the way by making the same type of commitment?

[blue&green]

^

I read that too. double standard nga naman kung players lang ang magleave diba? if the SBP wants dedication from their players, then they should have dedication from their coaches as well. set an example.

[gfy]

Didn't Coach Chot give up coaching in the PBA to concentrate on the national team?

[koolkat]

^^ Hinde. Tinanggal siya sa PBA.

[koolkat]

At saka, palpak ang RP team na hinawakan niya.

[Bomberboy]

spin spin spin spin spin

[vicaimmonen]

Kung coaches lang din ang pag-uusapan, okay lang sa kin that coach Franz and his deputies take a leave of absence in the upcoming UAAP and NCAA tournament pero dapat may mandate ito coming from SBP. Hindi yung kusang loob na bibitaw yung mga coaches dyan. If the SBP only mandates that players lang ang mag-leave then so be it.

[Bomberboy]

sus, kahit di rin mag coach sina bigote eh hindi pa din palalaruin iyang tres mukesteros na iyan. ni-recruit sila para paglaruin sa ateneo hindi para sa kung anong youth tournament. pero ang tanong eh sigurado bang gagraduate ng hs ang prize catch -- si buenafe?

tapos kakalabasan lang pala eh the 2nd coming of ken barracoso pala si buenafe no. hahahahahaha

[blue&green]

^^ Hinde. Tinanggal siya sa PBA.

ang alam ko, and un *** mga sinasabi ng mga commentator, na he was the coach of smb, and mejo ok *** team, nung kinuha siya as rp team coach. hindi ata siya tinanggal sa PBA.

[anton_1108]

Then, it just shows your school's and your recruits' priorities.

riiiiiiight :bop:

if your school had those recruits, you would have a different opinion.

[toti mendiola]

double morality naman kayo eh. palibhasa may bested interest
di ko maintindihan ito, ano to? past tense ng best interest? Kung ganun mabuti namam pala kanilang tukoy eh, ang nakaraang pinakamagandang hangarin ng ateneo para sa tatlong batang manlalaro.

dahil mga nabili na nila, este na-recruit na, sina buenafe, bringas at salva. kung wala kang affiliation sa taeneo eh baka maiintindihan pa kita, pero hindi eh. you only make the argument para damage control for not letting the young non-ateneo hs recruits participate in the youth tournament. pero huwag ka, i'm sure pag ibang school iyan eh di titigil sa katatalak itong mga atenista. tama nga iyung mga nagpost dito, ang gagaling ng spin doctors niyo. ang tanong eh, gagraduate ng ba ng hs si buenafe?

In fairness to the ateneans, Ateneo Basketball still practices the principle of homegrown keeping, they take pride in it. Alam naman natin ang "angas" nila pagdating dito. IMHO they would rather loan one of their non AHS recruits than their no. 1 homegrown. Ang dahilan nila, simpleng "they are a proud bunch who takes pride with their own. Sa angas nilang yan eh papanindigan nila yan kasehodang mas magaling ang mga non ahs players kesa sa ahs recruits kasi kung hindi, mababawasan na ng tuluyan ang mga nag po post dun sa homegrown thread nila sa gameface. :D

[twelve_12]

riiiiiiight :bop:

if your school had those recruits, you would have a different opinion.

If those were my school's recruit, in contrast to what Ateneo did, they will not be forced by the school to quit the youth team. Jed Manguera is one such recruit.

[blue&green]

If those were my school's recruit, in contrast to what Ateneo did, they will not be forced by the school to quit the youth team. Jed Manguera is one such recruit.

pardon me, but what is the position of Jed?

[Hatch Roundhead]

[QUOTE=Bomberboy;23480315]double morality naman kayo eh. palibhasa may bested interest dahil mga nabili na nila,




ha haha, ikaw taga UP???? Sinusuwelduhan ng malaki???? Ano to??? Tol dagdagan mo pang ng "My views are self explanation"

[David Seaman]

Jed will play for the national team. He's still attending the practices.

[validus]

bested interest - surpassing, not one, but two interests

[koolkat]

Yung Intal at Menor, I dont think la salle had "praise releases" about them, like Ateneo did for their recruits.

[koolkat]

Nung time ni Steve Watson, Joy Carpio, etc., Ateneo allowed them to play (and travel) with the RP youth.

Bakit ngayon di pwede?

[Bomberboy]

[QUOTE=Bomberboy;23480315]double morality naman kayo eh. palibhasa may bested interest dahil mga nabili na nila,

ha haha, ikaw taga UP???? Sinusuwelduhan ng malaki???? Ano to??? Tol dagdagan mo pang ng "My views are self explanation"

double morality = diffused responsibility (e.g., medical researchers can claim property rights on DNA samples but the donors themselves can't) or if your brain simply can't process it, use your fingers and search the works of Freud on the net, he simply explains it as "a code of morality that tolerates lapses in one but condemns them in the other"

bested interest = see validus' post

*okay*

[liontamer]

di ko maintindihan ito, ano to? past tense ng best interest? Kung ganun mabuti namam pala kanilang tukoy eh, ang nakaraang pinakamagandang hangarin ng ateneo para sa tatlong batang manlalaro.

Toti, ang pagkakaalam ko ay ang ibig sabihin niyan ay its a special interest in protecting or promoting that which is to one's own personal advantage. Iyun lang nga ay hindi ako sure kung ano ang tamang spelling niyan kasi may gumagamit ng "v" at may gumagamit din ng "b". Pero kung ako lang ay iyung "v" ang mas common na spelling. I may be wrong though but sa pagkakaalam ko lang iyan.

[validus]

[QUOTE=Hatch Roundhead;23532828]

bested interest = see validus' post

*okay*

i was sarcastic.. sorry. :naughty:

my definition doesn't even make any sense.. :rotflmao:

that was just my better interest..

[blue&green]

Yung Intal at Menor, I dont think la salle had "praise releases" about them, like Ateneo did for their recruits.

Intal was introduced to the dlsu community as a future lasallian. my friend told me that.

[toti mendiola]

double morality = diffused responsibility (e.g., medical researchers can claim property rights on DNA samples but the donors themselves can't) or if your brain simply can't process it, use your fingers and search the works of Freud on the net, he simply explains it as "a code of morality that tolerates lapses in one but condemns them in the other"

bested interest = see validus' post

*okay*

'o.t.

i didnt know that. thanks for that rather helpful definition. :)

bested= surpassed/ overcame/

But if you really mean that the ateneans have "bested interest"(basing from validus definition) on the issue, it would actually mean that they mean well, sacrificing and Just,whereas if they have vested interest on the same, it would mean their intentions would be self serving. But being in that condition ],it is rather understandable. ;)


liontamer,am just being a pain in the ***.

back to topic:

isang punto pa ulit.
di pa bona fide ateneans yung tatlong batang ito kaya masyadong adelantado ang pag akusa sa Ateneo basketball people na sila ang dahilan.

[validus]

sorry guys. my definition was meant to be a joke! it doesn't mean anything! :naughty:

loosen up y'all! you guys couldn't even tell if somebody's trying to be funny. :rotflmao:

i'm sick..

[vagged]

sir, my only point is that sir vagged is using fallacies for his arguments. the fallacy, argument from personal incredulity, which means that the speaker believes that something is true because he is unwilling to consider that his premise might be false. the abscence of evidence is the one that did his statement in. if their is evidence that ateneo is behind the withdrawal, beside the hearsay statement, then there is no reason for us to not believe what you guys claim.

Im in the US and enjoying my vacation/business trip but i just have to respond to this!

i agree with twelve that we are not in a legal proceeding but rather in a discussion forum wherein the people you have to prove your claims to are the thousands of members who are asking why the three mentioned players are not playing for the youth team and all are coincidentally ateneo prospects. The perception here/ and of many is that ateneo is actually behind the withdrawal of said players, the court of public opinion wants to know WHY? and they wont accept your "legal" excuses to not answering the question.

The ball is in your court to prove that my stated fact is false, maybe you can ask the ateneo media office spin doctors to issue a statement that the boys decided on their own not to play for flag and country? :D

[vagged]

meron naman isa. hehe *** dapat 5peat ng dlsu.:rotflmao:

they were bench warmers that time and non factors. sabagay overachievent na sa kanila yon and something to brag about :rotflmao:

[vagged]

Intal was introduced to the dlsu community as a future lasallian. my friend told me that.

Nope it has never been a policy in taft to introduce someone as ours until the player has in fact matriculated.

[BLACKSEDAN]

I was told that it actually happened during the bone fire celebration in Taft. Several blue chip recruits were in attendance after DLSU won the UAAP championship. People can correct me if I am wrong but there were 4 or 5 blue chippers who were introduced and asked to say a few words in Intal, JR Reyes and Martin Urra. I can not recall the others but I believe it was only Urra who actually played for DLSU and only for a very short time.

There should be a long history of post here in PEX of the incident. Since that unfortunate incident, DLSU has tightened controls about who they are recruiting. Case in point, Walsham and Cua were quietly recruited and committed to DLSU before other schools can horn in on the recruiting.

In the end, to each his own. DLSU and ADMU had gone head to head on a number of blue chippers in the past and will continue in the future. Both sides will get their share of players. It just happen that the planning and timing of Norman Black the past couple of years will bear fruit next season with a bumper crop of blue chip recruits for the future.

[blue&green]

Im in the US and enjoying my vacation/business trip but i just have to respond to this!

i agree with twelve that we are not in a legal proceeding but rather in a discussion forum wherein the people you have to prove your claims to are the thousands of members who are asking why the three mentioned players are not playing for the youth team and all are coincidentally ateneo prospects. The perception here/ and of many is that ateneo is actually behind the withdrawal of said players, the court of public opinion wants to know WHY? and they wont accept your "legal" excuses to not answering the question.

The ball is in your court to prove that my stated fact is false, maybe you can ask the ateneo media office spin doctors to issue a statement that the boys decided on their own not to play for flag and country? :D

first of all, i hope you are having fun. how's the weather? :D

second of all, it is NOT a legal excuse. actually, i am banking my statements on fallacies and how some people are committing it. not legal excuses... just that your arguments are fallacies or flawed in its logic and fallacies are concerned on the argument itself and not the venue where the arguments are held.

third, classic example of ad ignorantiam. as i said, it is not helpful if you argue using fallacies. the burden of proof lies on you, not the people you accuse. you should prove that your claims are indeed facts without a shadow of a doubt.

[blue&green]

Nope it has never been a policy in taft to introduce someone as ours until the player has in fact matriculated.

now, don't deny it. my friend and I talked about it. BS is right. it happened during the victory party and they were introduced as the next recruits.

[letsgo]

From what I have read, as a result of this incident, DLSU decided on that policy of not announcing their recruits.

[vagged]

first of all, i hope you are having fun. how's the weather? :D

second of all, it is NOT a legal excuse. actually, i am banking my statements on fallacies and how some people are committing it. not legal excuses... just that your arguments are fallacies or flawed in its logic and fallacies are concerned on the argument itself and not the venue where the arguments are held.

third, classic example of ad ignorantiam. as i said, it is not helpful if you argue using fallacies. the burden of proof lies on you, not the people you accuse. you should prove that your claims are indeed facts without a shadow of a doubt.

the weather is fine for a super bowl sunday! go giants!! :D well if you think that your excuses are changing the mind of the members here that ateneo did not have a hand in the withdrawal of said players then so be it! but its not working man!:rotflmao:

With regards to intal et al, they were NOT introduced as ours but as POTENTIAL RECRUITS, there lies the big difference!

I admit though that it was a big mistake for potential recruits to be seen in taft and at a victory party to boot. ;)

[Shyboy]

first of all, i hope you are having fun. how's the weather? :D

second of all, it is NOT a legal excuse. actually, i am banking my statements on fallacies and how some people are committing it. not legal excuses... just that your arguments are fallacies or flawed in its logic and fallacies are concerned on the argument itself and not the venue where the arguments are held.

third, classic example of ad ignorantiam. as i said, it is not helpful if you argue using fallacies. the burden of proof lies on you, not the people you accuse. you should prove that your claims are indeed facts without a shadow of a doubt.

This is cyberspace, dude, and worse we're in PEX. Fallacies are more of the rule in discussions like these. Hasty generalizations, ad hominems, etc, are facts of life here.

Asking for evidences to prove arguments? You won't get it here, or in any other cyberspace fora. Even if you're given digital evidence, how can you prove it's authentic? Now, if you really want to get to the bottom of this, do your own research. Better yet, why don't you go out of your way and meet up with the informants or witnesses mentioned here. That way, you'll most probably have an idea who's lying and who's not. :naughty:

So next time wanna whip out your fallacy book here, don't bother. No one's biting.

[Shyboy]

now, don't deny it. my friend and I talked about it. BS is right. it happened during the victory party and they were introduced as the next recruits.

What's talking to your friend got to do with Blacksedan being right? Fallacy of... never mind. :lol:

[blue&green]

This is cyberspace, dude, and worse we're in PEX. Fallacies are more of the rule in discussions like these. Hasty generalizations, ad hominems, etc, are facts of life here.

Asking for evidences to prove arguments? You won't get it here, or in any other cyberspace fora. Even if you're given digital evidence, how can you prove it's authentic? Now, if you really want to get to the bottom of this, do your own research. Better yet, why don't you go out of your way and meet up with the informants or witnesses mentioned here. That way, you'll most probably have an idea who's lying and who's not. :naughty:

So next time wanna whip out your fallacy book here, don't bother. No one's biting.

sir, if someone is accusing a person of something, no matter where the venue is, the person accusing should have sufficient evidence. the burden of proof lies on the accuser not the accused. so why would i want to research?

now, if the purpose of the accusation is just to stir the hornets' nest, then accusations need no evidence.

[blue&green]

What's talking to your friend got to do with Blacksedan being right? Fallacy of... never mind. :lol:

well, my friend is a lasallian and he has been in lasalle for quite some time now (i never said my friend is a student, take note). now, what is the connection of BS and my friend? if someone from inside lasalle, who was present during the victory party, gave the same statement as the one stated by here in PEx, then that information is somehow reliable. i believe, in my KASPIL2, my teacher said that this is what you call primary information or first hand information. also, i think, if you have read sir vagged's statement, he somehow confirmed my statement of them being introduced in the lasallian community although in a different sense.

you might ask, what is the difference between my statement and sir vagged's. the answer lies on the source of the information. with all due respect to sir vagged, his information came from a person who is related to salva and not salva or his immediate family. his info, again with all due respect, is only secondary information.

[blue&green]

the weather is fine for a super bowl sunday! go giants!! :D well if you think that your excuses are changing the mind of the members here that ateneo did not have a hand in the withdrawal of said players then so be it! but its not working man!:rotflmao:

With regards to intal et al, they were NOT introduced as ours but as POTENTIAL RECRUITS, there lies the big difference!

I admit though that it was a big mistake for potential recruits to be seen in taft and at a victory party to boot. ;)

super bowl? parang UE *** NE hehe:rotflmao:

actually, i presented no excuses. i merely stated possibilities and i never said that without a shadow of a doubt, this is the reason why they withdrew. i never attempted to change the mind of the people here. i just want proof, plain and simple.

[vagged]

super bowl? parang UE *** NE hehe:rotflmao:

actually, i presented no excuses. i merely stated possibilities and i never said that without a shadow of a doubt, this is the reason why they withdrew. i never attempted to change the mind of the people here. i just want proof, plain and simple.

OT- yes the giants defense played extremely well in making sure brady was pressured all game long. I guess the pressure of a sweep to win it all got to them big time! GO GIANTS!!!

back on track now- I know what transpired with regards to the sudden withdrawal of salva in the youth team but to each his own. If you choose to believe otherwise then its up to you. Simple logic dictates that all three are being claimed by ateneo as their future players and all three coincidentally are all not playing for the youth team, that says something already.

hey we also want proof proving that the said players withdrew playing for the country on their own, so if ateneo can again come up with a "praise release" then i will be the first one to admit that i was wrong. until that happens though, i believe the perception of the majority stands.

[vagged]

[QUOTE=blue&green;23611588

you might ask, what is the difference between my statement and sir vagged's. the answer lies on the source of the information. with all due respect to sir vagged, his information came from a person who is related to salva and not salva or his immediate family. his info, again with all due respect, is only secondary information.[/QUOTE]

secondary information? What if i told you i heard it from the horse's own mouth? :D

Well, lets just wait for ateneo to come up with a "praise release" to prove me wrong.

[MonL]

super bowl? parang UE *** NE hehe:rotflmao:



Better to pronounce it as "New E" para mag rhyme.:D

Ok, back to topic.

[blue&green]

OT- yes the giants defense played extremely well in making sure brady was pressured all game long. I guess the pressure of a sweep to win it all got to them big time! GO GIANTS!!!

back on track now- I know what transpired with regards to the sudden withdrawal of salva in the youth team but to each his own. If you choose to believe otherwise then its up to you. Simple logic dictates that all three are being claimed by ateneo as their future players and all three coincidentally are all not playing for the youth team, that says something already.

hey we also want proof proving that the said players withdrew playing for the country on their own, so if ateneo can again come up with a "praise release" then i will be the first one to admit that i was wrong. until that happens though, i believe the perception of the majority stands.

i never claimed that that was their reason for withdrawing. if you backtrack my posts, i even never said a single reason why they withdrew. i just said that if their reason is their studies, then the said reason is acceptable.

now, the burden of proof is with the accuser, am i right? :D

i believe in one thing and you believe in another. none of us will budge. let's just leave it at that.

[blue&green]

secondary information? What if i told you i heard it from the horse's own mouth? :D

Well, lets just wait for ateneo to come up with a "praise release" to prove me wrong.

now, you know that inconsistencies make statements less reliable.:D

[Shyboy]

sir, if someone is accusing a person of something, no matter where the venue is, the person accusing should have sufficient evidence. the burden of proof lies on the accuser not the accused. so why would i want to research?

now, if the purpose of the accusation is just to stir the hornets' nest, then accusations need no evidence.

Like I said, any evidence presented in fora such like this won't cut it. Even if I present Salva to you here, how'd anyone know if it's really him or Peter Pan? So why bother? If you doubt the accusations, just take it with a grain of salt and let go. Asking for evidence here is just like asking for proof that Piolo Pascual is gay. Try to be realistic once in a while.

[toti mendiola]

Talaga? Piolo Pascual is gay?

[blue&green]

Like I said, any evidence presented in fora such like this won't cut it. Even if I present Salva to you here, how'd anyone know if it's really him or Peter Pan? So why bother? If you doubt the accusations, just take it with a grain of salt and let go. Asking for evidence here is just like asking for proof that Piolo Pascual is gay. Try to be realistic once in a while.

i wonder.. when la salle was being accused of something (i'd rather not mention), lasallians were asking for proofs. when there was this fuss regarding cheers, each school was asking for proof that they were indeed the first one to do this or that. why did the other lasallians ask for proof regarding the accusations being thrown to them? i believe that you know what accusation i am talking about.

the question is, why didn't you tell your fellow lasallians that if they doubt the accusations being thrown to them, "just take it with a grain of salt and let go"? should they also be realistic?

the way i see it, no one wants to be thrown mud at. no one wants their school being dragged down by baseless accusations. now, that is just me being realistic.

[twelve_12]

i wonder.. when la salle was being accused of something (i'd rather not mention), lasallians were asking for proofs. when there was this fuss regarding cheers, each school was asking for proof that they were indeed the first one to do this or that. why did the other lasallians ask for proof regarding the accusations being thrown to them? i believe that you know what accusation i am talking about.

the question is, why didn't you tell your fellow lasallians that if they doubt the accusations being thrown to them, "just take it with a grain of salt and let go"? should they also be realistic?

the way i see it, no one wants to be thrown mud at. no one wants their school being dragged down by baseless accusations. now, that is just me being realistic.

Hmmm...Lasallians asking for proof? You are referring to the Benitez scandal, am I right? In case you haven't noticed, it is a very different scenario.

[vagged]

Hmmm...Lasallians asking for proof? You are referring to the Benitez scandal, am I right? In case you haven't noticed, it is a very different scenario.

pare, spin doctors are meant to distort the truth. That is the ateneo way! live and let live! :rotflmao:

ANIMO LA SALLE!!!

[blue&green]

Hmmm...Lasallians asking for proof? You are referring to the Benitez scandal, am I right? In case you haven't noticed, it is a very different scenario.

scenario is different but in general, it's the same. like in the cheering squabble a few months back. one school was said to be copycats of a certain bedan chant and what did the lasallians do--ask for evidence. there is an accusation and the accused was asking for evidence.

sorry ah. i didn't know that what applies to us does not necessarily apply to you guys. :D

[LT]

It's an honor to represent the country. I can't see why any of these recruits don't seem to mind

[SukcuR]

^^
I don't know about schools copying other school's cheers. But a country changing the lyrics of MFY and passing it off as their own, and in their national anthem at that, is downright PATHETIC!

OBF!!!

[blue&green]

^

i don't know what school you come from but you're obviously not from ateneo. alternick perhaps? don't take us for suckers please. may pa OBF OBF ka pa..:rotflmao:

[twelve_12]

scenario is different but in general, it's the same. like in the cheering squabble a few months back. one school was said to be copycats of a certain bedan chant and what did the lasallians do--ask for evidence. there is an accusation and the accused was asking for evidence.

sorry ah. i didn't know that what applies to us does not necessarily apply to you guys. :D

Lion's roar ba yan? Hindi ba yung mga Lasalista ang hinanapan ng ebidensiya? The older Lasallians explained that La Salle's version was adapted from the woodstock rain chant. How about the use of animo? Hindi ba La Salle din ang inaccuse na nanggaya? One bedan poster even confidently claimed that he has never heard La Salle use "Animo" in the NCAA, thus the earliest La Salle used the word was in the UAAP. One resourceful Lasallian dug up the DLSU library archives and found out that La Salle had used the word "Animo" since the 50's. Nakakatawa nga, yung mga accusers (bedans and ateneans) yung walang maipakitang evidence. Anyway, in both instances, it was La Salle who presented evidence.

Now if only Atenean do the same. That is, present evidence even if they are the accused. That would be something. Hehehe!

[blue&green]

Lion's roar ba yan? Hindi ba yung mga Lasalista ang hinanapan ng ebidensiya? The older Lasallians explained that La Salle's version was adapted from the woodstock rain chant. How about the use of animo? Hindi ba La Salle din ang inaccuse na nanggaya? One bedan poster even confidently claimed that he has never heard La Salle use "Animo" in the NCAA, thus the earliest La Salle used the word was in the UAAP. One resourceful Lasallian dug up the DLSU library archives and found out that La Salle had used the word "Animo" since the 50's. Nakakatawa nga, yung mga accusers (bedans and ateneans) yung walang maipakitang evidence. Anyway, in both instances, it was La Salle who presented evidence.

Now if only Atenean do the same. That is, present evidence even if they are the accused. That would be something. Hehehe!

OT- sa pagkakaalala ko, ateneo and san beda were asked for some evidence. in fact, i remember scans of the cheer book of ateneo and SBC. there are also scans in gameface about the said cheer books.

On topic. akala ko ba hindi na sasali sa RP si Salva? his name is included in the article of The Phil. Star today.

[twelve_12]

OT- sa pagkakaalala ko, ateneo and san beda were asked for some evidence. in fact, i remember scans of the cheer book of ateneo and SBC. there are also scans in gameface about the said cheer books.

On topic. akala ko ba hindi na sasali sa RP si Salva? his name is included in the article of The Phil. Star today.

OT - They were not asked to present evidence. They proactively presented them to prove that it was La Salle who copied the cheer. Irony is, the cheerbooks they scanned were printed much later than the La Salle cheerbook. After that, biglang naglahong parang bula ang mga beda at atenista.

OnT - Onga, I thought he pulled out?

[blue&green]

^

as i said, when it comes to tradition, no other team will beat those three. sa sobrang tagal, it is hard to determine who came up with what first.

On- clarification naman po jan tungkol kay salva..

[SukcuR]

There is only school for me and that is THE ATENEO. And how dare you question my roots...someone who is not a purebread blue and is in fact comes from that tryinghard green school. Yuck!!!

OBF!!!

[blue&green]

^

:rotflmao: there is a difference between studying (or studied) in ateneo and being an atenean.

[Big Ticket]

magtino naman kayo ....stick to the topic...ang dali naman intindihin di ba? di namin kailangan yabang nyo!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fried Green Tomato]

Last time i checked, this is the NCAA forum. Unfortunately, this thread has become a brawl among uaap supporters.

[andyknight18]

^^ I THOUGHT YOU GUYS DIDN'T NOTICE?! :naughty:

[archer_reigns]

OT: buti hindi tayo pinapaalis ng mga taga-ncaa dito. natatakot nga akong mag-post dito kasi baka paalisin tayo sa forum nila.

on topic: why is salva listed again? can anyone share any information regarding this. thanks! :)

[toti mendiola]

Lion's roar ba yan? Hindi ba yung mga Lasalista ang hinanapan ng ebidensiya? The older Lasallians explained that La Salle's version was adapted from the woodstock rain chant. One resourceful Lasallian dug up the DLSU library archives and found out that La Salle had used the word "Animo" since the 50's.


Walang naglahong parang bula. Basahin mo nga ulit king nawalang parang bula ang mga bedista sa diskusyon na yun.

Atsaka yung rain chant na yan, after 1970 pa lang yan, mas matanda ang lions roar. Kahit pagbigyan pa natin ng konting hibla ng considerasyon yang argumentong iyan eh mas mananatil pa rin ang katotohanan na nagamit na nung una ng SBCA ang cheer na yun sa NCAA.

Nakakatawa nga, yung mga accusers (bedans and ateneans) yung walang maipakitang evidence. Anyway, in both instances, it was La Salle who presented evidence.

What a way to feed thou self's ego.

They were not asked to present evidence. They proactively presented them to prove that it was La Salle who copied the cheer. Irony is, the cheerbooks they scanned were printed much later than the La Salle cheerbook. After that, biglang naglahong parang bula ang mga beda at atenista.

It was not proactively presented by the poster to prove that la salle copied the cheer but to share what his kin dugged from her momentos . pakibasa ulit yung post niya hane. pate.

[toti mendiola]

Lion's roar ba yan? Hindi ba yung mga Lasalista ang hinanapan ng ebidensiya? The older Lasallians explained that La Salle's version was adapted from the woodstock rain chant. One resourceful Lasallian dug up the DLSU library archives and found out that La Salle had used the word "Animo" since the 50's.


Walang naglahong parang bula. Basahin mo nga ulit king nawalang parang bula ang mga bedista sa diskusyon na yun.

Atsaka yung rain chant na yan, after 1970 pa lang yan, mas matanda ang lions roar. Kahit pagbigyan pa natin ng konting hibla ng considerasyon yang argumentong iyan eh mas mananatil pa rin ang katotohanan na nagamit na nung una ng SBCA ang cheer na yun sa NCAA.

Nakakatawa nga, yung mga accusers (bedans and ateneans) yung walang maipakitang evidence. Anyway, in both instances, it was La Salle who presented evidence.

What a way to feed thou self's ego.

They were not asked to present evidence. They proactively presented them to prove that it was La Salle who copied the cheer. Irony is, the cheerbooks they scanned were printed much later than the La Salle cheerbook. After that, biglang naglahong parang bula ang mga beda at atenista.

It was not proactively presented by the poster to prove that la salle copied the cheer but to share what his kin dugged from her momentos . pakibasa ulit yung post niya hane. pate.

[twelve_12]

Walang naglahong parang bula. Basahin mo nga ulit king nawalang parang bula ang mga bedista sa diskusyon na yun.

Atsaka yung rain chant na yan, after 1970 pa lang yan, mas matanda ang lions roar. Kahit pagbigyan pa natin ng konting hibla ng considerasyon yang argumentong iyan eh mas mananatil pa rin ang katotohanan na nagamit na nung una ng SBCA ang cheer na yun sa NCAA.



What a way to feed thou self's ego.



It was not proactively presented by the poster to prove that la salle copied the cheer but to share what his kin dugged from her momentos . pakibasa ulit yung post niya hane. pate.

I don't have the time to monitor each and every post on that thread. The last SIGNIFICANT post that I remember is the scan of a 50's La Salle cheerbook proving that La Salle was already using the cheer "Animo" during that era. Has ateneo and beda presented its "evidence" on that thread?

[Bomberboy]

Atsaka yung rain chant na yan, after 1970 pa lang yan, mas matanda ang lions roar. Kahit pagbigyan pa natin ng konting hibla ng considerasyon yang argumentong iyan eh mas mananatil pa rin ang katotohanan na nagamit na nung una ng SBCA ang cheer na yun sa NCAA.

kaso lang eh sa lahat ng diskusyon ng cheers lasalle lang ang consistent na nakaka cite ng evidence to back up that claim of theirs.

hindi ba documented ng beda ang mga cheers na gamit nila?

manong toti (i assume mga 70s or 80s batch kayo sa beda), pero di ba may cheer din kayo nung early 90s na kahawig nung sa letran, iyung "S-J-L-C Arriba Letran" nila ay "S-B-C-A San Beda Alabang" naman sa inyo. bakit noon hindi masyadong malaki ang isyu pag magkakahawig ang cheers, pero ngayon uaap vs ncaa din pagdating sa kung sino nauna sa mga cheers.

[Shyboy]

Ang layo na ng diskusyon dito ah.

To get back on topic, there was a post in Archerpride.com narrating a practice game between DLSU and the RP Youth team. No Salva in the box scores.

[blue&green]

I don't have the time to monitor each and every post on that thread. The last SIGNIFICANT post that I remember is the scan of a 50's La Salle cheerbook proving that La Salle was already using the cheer "Animo" during that era. Has ateneo and beda presented its "evidence" on that thread?

Yes. either it was scanned and posted here or a link was provided (gameface). the link showed a scan of the cheerbook of SBC and ADMU. FYI, the link provided is a link of a thread in gameface.

[toti mendiola]

I don't have the time to monitor each and every post on that thread. The last SIGNIFICANT post that I remember is the scan of a 50's La Salle cheerbook proving that La Salle was already using the cheer "Animo" during that era. Has ateneo and beda presented its "evidence" on that thread?

If it is so, there was no basis for the bubbly accusation after all.

Some poster already pointed to a thread in GF for reference, there was no need posting it all here for the nth time..

kaso lang eh sa lahat ng diskusyon ng cheers lasalle lang ang consistent na nakaka cite ng evidence to back up that claim of theirs.

hindi ba documented ng beda ang mga cheers na gamit nila?



bomberboy sire - this was our initial fear.That mementos got lost somewhere along the dust bins and memento chests, until a friend of ours bumped into a keeper.
It is very critical find but the consensus of the group is to have a watch and wait approach and let some other schools make print their evidentiary claims via publications such as, but not limited to, books school organs. ;)

manong toti (i assume mga 70s or 80s batch kayo sa beda), pero di ba may cheer din kayo nung early 90s na kahawig nung sa letran, iyung "S-J-L-C Arriba Letran" nila ay "S-B-C-A San Beda Alabang" naman sa inyo. bakit noon hindi masyadong malaki ang isyu pag magkakahawig ang cheers, pero ngayon uaap vs ncaa din pagdating sa kung sino nauna sa mga

Yes, but it goes way before 1990's pa.SBCA- Alabang to SBCA-Animo San Beda.
But it is Letran pep squad's banner cheer during the mid years.
As per Danny and Stardust, it is the reason why SBCA dropped the cheer.
Hindi naman sa NC vs UAAP , if we'll look at it closely, it is NC vs. ex-NC.

[twelve_12]

Yes. either it was scanned and posted here or a link was provided (gameface). the link showed a scan of the cheerbook of SBC and ADMU. FYI, the link provided is a link of a thread in gameface.

I am aware of those scanned cheerbooks of ADMU and SBC. The problem with those cheerbooks is that they were printed much later than the La Salle cheerbook. Bottomline is, with the La Salle "evidence", supporters of the other universities has now stopped accusing La Salle of copying cheers, and they were never heard from again in those copying cheers threads.

Ok, since we have deviated from the topic so much, I am dropping from this discussion and leave my arguments at that.

[sir leon]

Go to gameface.com. There is thread there about this.

[shaqmonster]

Cheers are OT here. I think there is a separate thread for this.

[color_s_Kaboink]

reason why buenafe, bringas and salva won't be playing for the youth team welll hmmmm....

the 3 will be playing for ateneo and the coach of the youth team is franz pumaren, which happens to be on the other side of the fence .... baka ayaw malaman ni pumaren ang weakness ng 3 hehe o parang sa san beda wherein school first before the country (mvp connection ateneo and san beda)

[Aleancelo]

Lion's roar ba yan? Hindi ba yung mga Lasalista ang hinanapan ng ebidensiya? The older Lasallians explained that La Salle's version was adapted from the woodstock rain chant.

Woodstock rain chant? So, that must be in 1969. Going back to the topic: According to Ateneo's Rick Palou, their 4 blue chip recruits (Salva, Buenafe, Chua and Burke) took the entrance exams and they're just waiting for the results. Kung pasado, then expect Ateneo to be a title contender this season. Kung hindi, well, maraming naghihintay sa kanila, kasama na diyan ang RP Youth team para kina Buenafe at Salva.