Best English training: UP, DLSU, ADMU, or ST?

[1800pinoyjobs]

Adjusting for variations in majors/courses, which university has the highest number of hours/units of REQUIRED English instruction?

Which focuses the most on WRITTEN ENGLISH?

Note: I'm not sure if there is a right or wrong answer on this but I'd appreciate any QUANTIFIABLE and VERIFIABLE curriculum-based information that you care to make available. Please link to source, as much as possible

Thanks in advance

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[markfroilan]

mayi ask whats ST?

[KuyaDanny]

Samson Tech.

[markfroilan]

or STI?pwede

[paenggoy]

It's hard to give quantifiable and verifiable evidence because there's very little online. Also, it's hard to judge based on number of units only, especially given class size, the types of books used, requirements, etc. What you can probably do is visit departments of each university and ask for data on studies that they conducted on their classes. You can also visit various libraries and ask for any CHED, PAASCU, etc., reports. You might also find some information from the British Council, organizations like the Reading Association of the Philippines, etc.

[cretinous00]

More research output coming out of Diliman than any other school here.

[boy_wonder]

In UP, there's no number of English (I assume you're talking about the subject) units required to satisfy the General Education requirement, though there are five three-unit subjects offered. Major English subjects are taken by those who have them in the curricula.

So there's none. :D

[KuyaDanny]

I just took a look at the MgtH curriculum at ADMU. This is the program with which I am most familiar. From the list, and my own knowledge of the ADMU core curriculum, these are what I deduced to be the required English courses:

En 11, 12; Lit 13, 14 (3 semester-hours each). I think En 11 is the composition course. 12, 13, 14 are Rhetoric, Fiction, and Poetry - which are mostly discussion courses but contain some writing requirements. Apparently they have dropped Drama and Essay, which were required during my time. Essay was particularly writing-heavy.

In addition, the four Philosophy courses (3 semester hours each) are required of all bachelor's degree candidates. These may be taught in English or Pilipino, at the student's option. I would estimate the writing load for all these four courses to be a third of the total work. So that would be 4 semester hours' equivalent.

Business students have an Organizational Communications subject. And of course English and Comm Arts majors have lots more.

[cmq23]

^I'm a sophomore at Ateneo right now. English classes are usually taken by freshmen. En 11 and En 12 were the written English classes, wherein En 11 was basically feature articles, etc., while En 12 was basically about research paper writing to train us for thesis and other papers we would be doing in the coming years. Lit 13 and 14 were more about appreciation and analysis of Literature. Those who are put under the Basic English program have an extra semester.

[1800pinoyjobs]

mayi ask whats ST?

I meant Santo Tomas. I should have put UST. My bad.

[starczamora]

The TS probably implied ST as Siliman Tyuniversity. It has a good English program.

[philippines123]

I think English training should start from home at an early stage para dumerecho dila ng bata. By the time nasa University na sila, mahirap ng iderecho ang dila kung hindi na sanay mag-english.

But kung iko-consider e yung courses, wala ako idea. Pero sa UPD, maraming Koreans ang student ng Short English Language Training. Sa ibang schools di ako sure.

[boy_wonder]

English GE courses in UP:

ENGLISH 1
Basic College English (3 Units)

Description:
Basic grammar, usage, and composition skills in English.

Not just your typical grammar course, English 1 focuses on the specific communication skills in English to help bring your proficiency level up to college standards. This course takes the practical approach to unlocking the mysteries of word choice, the power of grammatical and rhetorical sentences, and the nuances of composition styles. More importantly, in the process of honing these skills, you will also be learning why the language works like it does and the many levels and varieties of Englishes in the world. By its end, the course will have supplied you with not only the ability to work with the language but also with a critical understanding of how and why the English language works.

This course satisfies the requirement for written/oral communication skills in English.



ENGLISH 10
College English (3 Units)

Description:
The writing and critical reading of forms of academic discourse essential to university work

Documented essays, research papers, performance reviews, scientific reports, position papers, concept papers… the list goes on, and college life will demand at least one each of these academic papers in the course of your stay in the university. You can also expect to read, comprehend, and evaluate lengthy scientific articles, complex political analyses, abstract philosophical treatises. Don't fret - English 10 will help you get through. This course introduces you to and prepares you for the different forms of readings and writings you are bound to encounter in college. (However, it also assumes that your English proficiency level is at par with standard academic discourse.) A semester's work in English 10 equips you with the communication skills you will need to survive, even thrive, in the university.

This course satisfies the requirement for written/oral communication skills in English.



ENGLISH 11
Literature and Society (3 Units)

Description:
The study of various literary genres as a dynamic interaction between the individual and social and cultural forces

Literature is one way that helps us make sense of our world. It is both an artistic form and a social product. English 11 explores literature as works of art, taking into consideration the aesthetics of various literary genres. More than analyzing the intricacies of its formal elements (i.e., plot, theme, character, etc.), the course also helps you understand how and why various literary forms were produced in a range of cultures and histories in both the Philippines and the world. What role does society play in the production of literature? What role does literature play in the production of society? These are only some of the intriguing questions the course will ask and, hopefully through a range of exciting readings, begin to answer.

This course satisfies the requirement for written/oral communication skills in English.



ENGLISH 12
World Literatures (3 Units)

Description:
The study of representative/landmark texts from the literatures of the world

The books that changed the world! Or at the very least, the books that influenced many people who influenced the world. Here's your chance to finally read all those books people always talk about (specially when they want to appear erudite) and participate in the discussion yourself. Learn about the heroes of the Trojan War from Homer, the finer points of Heaven and Hell from Dante, Don Quixote's impossible dream as recounted by Cervantes, feudal love from Tale of Genji, of spiritual choices in the Bhagavad-Gita, of colonial struggle in Indonesia in This Earth of Mankind the epic struggles of … maybe even why Salman Rushdie is in hiding.

This course satisfies the requirement for written/oral communication skills in English.



ENGLISH 30
English for the Professions (3 Units)

Description:
Principles and uses of writing in English in the various disciplines/professions

A resumé or a curriculum vitae? An executive summary or an abstract? A technical report, a case study, a legal brief? Each profession has its own unique style and writing requirements. English 30 will expose you to a variety of writing from different professional fields as it hones your writing skills in line with the specific demands of your future profession. Think of this as a writing course that caters to the writing you will be doing for the rest of your life. It makes sense then to take this course only when you are sure of your professional field. Junior standing recommended.

This course satisfies the requirement for written/oral communication skills in English.

[letsrockandroll]

ST? baka naman UST? :)

[gioboy]

UST ( here are my English subjects for my BSN degree do ko alam sa ibang courses)

ENG 101A: Communication Skills I
ENG 101B: Communication Skills II
ENG 104: Oral Communication Skills
ENG 108: Technical Writing
LIT 101: Introduction to Literary Types
LIT 102: Filipino Literature in English

[taz0020]

DLSU lahat ata magtatake ng (not sure):

ENGLCOM- basic communication and study skill
ENGLRES- basic research/ English for specific purposes
SPEECOM- oral communication/ advanced speech class
ESPENGL- english for specific purposes
HUMALIT- introduction to literature
HUMAART- intoduction to art

[pampi1010]

These were also my subjects during my first two years in UST MedTech.

ENG 101A: Communication Skills I
ENG 101B: Communication Skills II
ENG 104: Oral Communication Skills
ENG 108: Technical Writing
LIT 101: Introduction to Literary Types
LIT 102: Filipino Literature in English

[cretinous00]

Based on overall board/bar exam performance? UP.

[mikio-kun]

what board exam?! the non-existing "english proficiency board exam?" plus sa bar ang alam ko law ang tinatanong e, hindi english. >.< praning... sorry...

[KuyaDanny]

I think the board/bar exam questions are all in English, although I have not seen any myself. I would think that if people were good enough to answer the questions correctly, their understanding of English, and by implication their training, is also good.

[cretinous00]

Now that's a waste of moderator's time! :lol:

[KuyaDanny]

Many times I think that way of the last eight years.

[la_flash]

During our time, we (engg students) were required to take five 3-unit english subjects.

English Proficiency Instruction
Comm Arts I
Comm Arts II
Philippine Literature
Rhetoric

[iRebirth]

i'm not too keen on the english courses offered by UP.

Yung Comm subjects (except Comm 3) and English 1/10 parang redudant.

English 30, from what I hear, is quite useless. And I seriously think they can integrate what they're teaching here in one of the courses above.

Kung minsan nakakainis yung RGEP! Parang walang saysay yung ibang subjects na ginawa lang para makaattract ng students.

[greenlaser]

Talking about 'Best English Training'..............as for me you can't just get it from school...............English comprehension, grammar and writing can be improved by practising it.......HOW?

READ....READ....and READ more!*okay*

[KuyaDanny]

Definitely. Also WRITE...WRITE...and WRITE more. And SPEAK...SPEAK...and SPEAK more.

[gioboy]

^ sounds like taking the IELTS... hehehe!

[markfroilan]

your environment should be condusive for study as you enhance your english speaking skills, skills you need to have exposure as well outside english class, and getting that exposure would require you to be in a society that inately uses english as its medium of talking - by nature. the upper class schools can offer you this and i would turn to the ateneo atmosphere since for them, talking in english is no big deal and anyone wouldnt make a fuss if you spoke english everyday normally everywhere in ateneo. In other schools such as UP,UST when you get out of your english class you go back using filipino tagalog langauge and if you tend to continue speaking in english outside english 101's other people will assume your a try hard social climber when in fact you were just being you. And if you wish to pursue an english career you might want to opt the call center industry since the environment strictly implements english alone at some of its centers.

So exposure before and after class would help you alot in further sharpenning you renglish pronunciation and grammar. Be in an environment that can help you achieve this. In UP,UST not thatmuch since the student population is composed predominantly of middle earning income society there by putting you in a middle earning society, but some colleges in both schools have students that frequentky use english, they are the medicine students, since they represent the elite grp especially UST. The upper schools of ADMU,UA&P can offer you good exposure since they belong to the upper class bracket. Lasalle?yes but your exposure within the campus is still tagalog langauge mostly than english, again this is exposure before and after your english class.

[KuyaDanny]

If the above is an accurate description, the ADMU campus must have changed a lot over the years. When I was still there, the most popular means of oral communication were, in decreasing order of usage: 1) Manila street tagalog; 2) Manila English (as opposed to pseudo-American); 3) Kolehiyala taglish; and 4) Provincial-accent English. I always thought that whatever facility in spoken English we had was honed in academic situations more than in social interaction.

[boy_wonder]

your environment should be condusive for study as you enhance your english speaking skills, skills you need to have exposure as well outside english class, and getting that exposure would require you to be in a society that inately uses english as its medium of talking - by nature. the upper class schools can offer you this and i would turn to the ateneo atmosphere since for them, talking in english is no big deal and anyone wouldnt make a fuss if you spoke english everyday normally everywhere in ateneo. In other schools such as UP,UST when you get out of your english class you go back using filipino tagalog langauge and if you tend to continue speaking in english outside english 101's other people will assume your a try hard social climber when in fact you were just being you. And if you wish to pursue an english career you might want to opt the call center industry since the environment strictly implements english alone at some of its centers.

So exposure before and after class would help you alot in further sharpenning you renglish pronunciation and grammar. Be in an environment that can help you achieve this. In UP,UST not thatmuch since the student population is composed predominantly of middle earning income society there by putting you in a middle earning society, but some colleges in both schools have students that frequentky use english, they are the medicine students, since they represent the elite grp especially UST. The upper schools of ADMU,UA&P can offer you good exposure since they belong to the upper class bracket. Lasalle?yes but your exposure within the campus is still tagalog langauge mostly than english, again this is exposure before and after your english class.

A person, regardless of any social class he/she belongs, can speak or write as much English, or any language for that matter, as he/she wants to and can manage. It's not like "I'm rich so I should speak in English" or "Mahirap lang ako kaya magta-Tagalog ako". There are some other things that made these English-speaking people get used to the language, and perhaps proficient at it too. Again, sir, the usage of the English language is never determined by social class. (Medyo ayos na sana yung una eh...)

[n3X]

your environment should be condusive for study as you enhance your english speaking skills, skills you need to have exposure as well outside english class, and getting that exposure would require you to be in a society that inately uses english as its medium of talking - by nature. the upper class schools can offer you this and i would turn to the ateneo atmosphere since for them, talking in english is no big deal and anyone wouldnt make a fuss if you spoke english everyday normally everywhere in ateneo. In other schools such as UP,UST when you get out of your english class you go back using filipino tagalog langauge and if you tend to continue speaking in english outside english 101's other people will assume your a try hard social climber when in fact you were just being you. And if you wish to pursue an english career you might want to opt the call center industry since the environment strictly implements english alone at some of its centers.

So exposure before and after class would help you alot in further sharpenning you renglish pronunciation and grammar. Be in an environment that can help you achieve this. In UP,UST not thatmuch since the student population is composed predominantly of middle earning income society there by putting you in a middle earning society, but some colleges in both schools have students that frequentky use english, they are the medicine students, since they represent the elite grp especially UST. The upper schools of ADMU,UA&P can offer you good exposure since they belong to the upper class bracket. Lasalle?yes but your exposure within the campus is still tagalog langauge mostly than english, again this is exposure before and after your english class.

Wow. Stereotypes kung stereotypes. :lol:

"middle earning income society there by putting you in a middle earning society." :rotflmao: In any case, I have met a lot of "middle earning income society", actually kahit mga "lowest earning income society", who could speak good english in UP. Kebs sa accent, basta tama yung grammar. Goodluck sa yo kung malgrammar ka kapag recitation (most courses, not only in English subjects), dadautin ka ng lahat ng kaklase mo. :D

Offtopic: Feeling ko magugulat mga tao when they found out na a lot of people in UP are sons and daughters of who's who. Extremes din talaga. Kaklase mo anak ng farmer tapos yung isa tycoon. UP is really about diversity.

[hacksaw]

Wow. Stereotypes kung stereotypes. :lol:

"middle earning income society there by putting you in a middle earning society." :rotflmao: In any case, I have met a lot of "middle earning income society", actually kahit mga "lowest earning income society", who could speak good english in UP. Kebs sa accent, basta tama yung grammar. Goodluck sa yo kung malgrammar ka kapag recitation (most courses, not only in English subjects), dadautin ka ng lahat ng kaklase mo. :D

Offtopic: Feeling ko magugulat mga tao when they found out na a lot of people in UP are sons and daughters of who's who. Extremes din talaga. Kaklase mo anak ng farmer tapos yung isa tycoon. UP is really about diversity.

How true! Even the Joe Lipa has been known to correct the grammar of his players. ;)

[n3X]

^^Actually oo nga no. now when i think about it, di ka puedeng mag english englishan sa UP na nagpapacute or high and mighty. kahit sa mga magkakaibigan or barkadang UP, kung malgrammar or wrong pronunciation ka (yung regional defects chekahan ay walang kaso naman talaga sa UP) mawawalan ka talaga ng credibilidad (kung hindi kaibigan hehehe).

[beltranBALDO]

suprisingly ang dami ngayong UP graduates na hindi makapaenglish ng derecho at makapagsulat ng desenteng business emails. :(

hehe di ako nambabash ha... para kasing ewan ang posts ng mga UP students na FANS ng UP dito eh. :D

[_ozzakii]

^ Pero, pano mo naman nalaman yon kung ikaw mismo hindi rin marunong makapagsulat ng desenteng business emails/letters?

[n3X]

^^ Klaruhin yung ewan.

What you said occurs. Kaya nga meron kaming sinasabi na merong mga taong kinokorek sa loob at labas ng klase. Di lang naman ikaw yung nakakapansin nun, marami na actually. Sa BA nga sa recitation and mga case reports, di kayang magreport or sumagot direcho yung iba. Sinasabihan talaga ng mga teachers. Nag-offer na rin yung college ng elective (lang?) ng business communication. Pero, truth is, its not that bad. I'm not saying most UP students are okay (not even good) with using the language. Hindi naman siya kinokonsider na major measure ng kagalingan ng isang estudyante. Sa totoo lang, mas okay sa akin yung hindi derecho yung english kesa naman kung mag-english mali mali. Ako, aaminin ko napaka-semilingual ko (obviously), at di ako nag-iisa. Palagay ko lang, mas mahalaga for UP people yung pag-communicate ng meaning regardless of language used.

In any case, to some extent medyo unfair din sa mga taga-UP yung ganitong judgment. Naha-highlight mga ganitong things dahil malaki yung expectations sa mga taga-UP. E tao lang naman din na iba-iba--walang perpekto. Merong truth din naman yung sinabi ni markfroilan na merong correlation between class and the use of the english language. E di mas lalo sa unibersidad na diverse. Which brings us again sa original point: wag tayong mag-stick sa stereotypes.

[markfroilan]

guys nagsimula lang akong magkamali ng ilang words sa sinulat ko b4, nagsalpukan na naman ng kung ano ano.

[cbie]

Wow. Stereotypes kung stereotypes. :lol:

"middle earning income society there by putting you in a middle earning society." :rotflmao: In any case, I have met a lot of "middle earning income society", actually kahit mga "lowest earning income society", who could speak good english in UP. Kebs sa accent, basta tama yung grammar. Goodluck sa yo kung malgrammar ka kapag recitation (most courses, not only in English subjects), dadautin ka ng lahat ng kaklase mo. :D

Offtopic: Feeling ko magugulat mga tao when they found out na a lot of people in UP are sons and daughters of who's who. Extremes din talaga. Kaklase mo anak ng farmer tapos yung isa tycoon. UP is really about diversity.


Totally agree with you. Income bracket is not a determining factor on who speaks better english.

Diversity, yep, same thing I experienced in UST. KAkatuwa coz you learn how to get along with different kinds of culture. Good exercise!

[n3X]

guys nagsimula lang akong magkamali ng ilang words sa sinulat ko b4, nagsalpukan na naman ng kung ano ano.

ayusin mo kasi.

[tyanak_soo]

Best English training? PEX Academe. With filtered threads, you don't have the luxury of editing. Wala pang spell checker, dipungal.

[KuyaDanny]

Thanks. I knew we were good for something.

[markfroilan]

Best English training? PEX Academe. With filtered threads, you don't have the luxury of editing. Wala pang spell checker, dipungal.


mahigpit ang mata ng scrutiny dito, yeah i would say PEX is the best exposure one can have in expressing views in english.

[cutieplx16]

UST ( here are my English subjects for my BSN degree do ko alam sa ibang courses)

ENG 101A: Communication Skills I
ENG 101B: Communication Skills II
ENG 104: Oral Communication Skills
ENG 108: Technical Writing
LIT 101: Introduction to Literary Types
LIT 102: Filipino Literature in English


UST AB!


ENG 101A: Communication Skills I
ENG 101B: Communication Skills II
ENG 102: Effective Expository Writing
ENG 104: Oral Communication Skills
LIT 101: Introduction to Literary Types
LIT 102: Filipino Literature in English
LIT 104: World Literature 1
LIT 108: World Literature 2

[Lady Chablis]

@ thread starter:
If I were you, I'd choose ADMU.

[creesh]

aba'y kung inglesan lang, Ateneo at DLSU na. :D

actually eto lang yan ****: kasi kahit pa pantay2 ang training, mas mapapractice mo sa ADMU at DLSU. usually kahit casual na usap ng barkada english na so mkakapractice ka. :D masasanay ka.

[letsrockandroll]

inglesan? my goodness, what kind of a word is that?

it would still UP,DLSU,ADMU AND UST

[1800pinoyjobs]

Are there any programs that deal with the common problem of IDIOMATIC EXPRESSIONS? I work with BPO companies and this seems to be the most problematic area.

[paenggoy]

You can probably find some online by entering key words like "English," "training," and "Philippines" in search engines.