Ronnie Nathanielsz Article Says It All

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PLAYING FAIR

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
ManilaStandardToday.com
24 August 2007

WHEN we switched to Studio 23 to watch the San Beda-Jose Rizal University game last Tuesday, we were pleasantly surprised to see Red Lion’s hotshot Yousif Aljamal in action since the league’s so-called management committee had banned him for the rest of the season.

The reasons cited was Aljamal’s failure to inform the Mancom of his entry into the Philippine Basketball Association Annual Draft and apparently for his participation in games, which were part of the Rookie Camp activities.

For a moment, we thought that good sense had prevailed and the National Collegiate Athletic Association realized its mistake and let the young man play. Instead, it turned out that San Beda obtained a Temporary Restraining Order, which enabled Aljamal to play in what was a crucial game to Jose Rizal University in its bid to earn a place in the Final Four.

To begin with, the attempt by management committees or boards of governors to interfere in the operations of any leagues goes against the grain of ensuring fairness and integrity, since team owners or their representatives obviously have partisan and selfish interests to protect. This is true of the PBA, PBL, UAAP, NCAA or any other league for that matter. That is why the leagues appoint commissioners, who are presumably fair-minded individuals, who don’t favor any team and have no particular interests other than the good of the league as a whole.

“Think League” was the cry of the late, well-loved PBA commissioner Jun Bernardino, who followed the path of independence and fairness, which were espoused by his eminent predecessors and mentors Leo Prieto and Rudy Salud.

The fact that JRU, the host of this year’s NCAA, was playing San Beda in a game that meant so much to them and stood to benefit from the ban on Aljamal made a mockery of the concept of fairness and sportsmanship that we presume is inculcated in the youth by our educational institutions. Whether JRU influenced the Mancom or not is immaterial, because whether they like it not, it looked in very poor taste. Besides, it didn’t speak well of the NCAA itself especially since Aljamal was a key player and proved it beyond doubt in Tuesday’s (sic) game.

The resort to the courts as a means of obtaining justice in a sporting environment runs counter to the very essence of the philosophy that games should be won or lost on the hardcourt or the playing field and never in board rooms, where personal interests override the good of the league. Beyond that, it sets a disturbing trend that all genuine lovers of sport should guard against.

Of course, San Beda was left with no choice but to seek redress in the courts for what seemed like a terrible injustice both to the team and the player by the NCAA management committee, which should, in the first place, merely set the goals and the guidelines and allow its commissioner to run the league and decide on issues of eligibility, violation of rules, etc.

Aljamal had an inherent right to join the PBA Draft and there is no earthly reason why he should have been severely penalized for not informing the NCAA other than it being an act of courtesy. That he played in the Rookie Camp games as a basis for the disqualification rings hollow. The games were not part of a sanctioned tournament and was merely an attempt to size up the skills of the amateur players in the draft.

In the end, Aljamal played, San Beda won as expected despite a pathetic effort of JRU to play dirty at times, which incurred the ire of coach Frankie Lim, and JRU was embarrassed, not so much because they lost but how they tried to win.
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STILL HOPING FOR A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION TO THIS UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.....

[pgma]

In the end, Aljamal played, San Beda won as expected despite a pathetic effort of JRU to play dirty at times, which incurred the ire of coach Frankie Lim, and JRU was embarrassed, not so much because they lost but how they tried to win.


very well said

[Dwyane Wade]

veteran basketball analyst na ang humusga ng mga kaBaboyan ng JRU

HOPIANG BABOY JAN MURANG MURA!!!

[bonzieknight45]

i hope that next season this will not happen again but sad to say that san beda became the sacrificial lamb for this issue...

[DonLabaro]

for all NCAA people
READ THE ARTICLE AND BE ENLIGHTENED

[thepacifier]

i agree with some of your points. here's mine. though i'm a bedan at heart, it's juz dissapointing to know how a coach destroyed sbc's rep.

What frankie did last wednesday was NOT HOW A BEDAN SHOULD BE. Wala sa lugar!! He used to be like that back in his PBA days. He said that what jru players did on his guys was a blessing of jru's coach(?). Pressuming he was right, is it not but proper to complain to the refs. Then the refs shoud then have penalized those players..kick the players out if they have to! But why single out JRU's coach??!

And his words.... his words are plain too dirty which contradicts his useless statement of "having class" so to speak. What he did, confronting...using kalye dirty words and his actions in general were plain too cheap! I'm just disgusted on how he acted.

c'mon guys. let's all be open minded about this issue. true enough, the players of jru have commited such unaccepted fouls BUT I didn't like the way frankie lim reacted. asan na yung 'class' na sinasabi nya wherein the way his actions speak of being unclassy at all. I even saw his wife by the bench, nakikipagaway din!!!!!!!!!!!!! *** da hell! and from what i know, she teaches 'etiquette' pa.

i'd rather have koy banal and get a b2b than have this whole crappy incident happen again. disappointing.

[DonLabaro]

i agree with some of your points. here's mine. though i'm a bedan at heart, it's juz dissapointing to know how a coach destroyed sbc's rep.

What frankie did last wednesday was NOT HOW A BEDAN SHOULD BE. Wala sa lugar!! He used to be like that back in his PBA days. He said that what jru players did on his guys was a blessing of jru's coach(?). Pressuming he was right, is it not but proper to complain to the refs. Then the refs shoud then have penalized those players..kick the players out if they have to! But why single out JRU's coach??!

And his words.... his words are plain too dirty which contradicts his useless statement of "having class" so to speak. What he did, confronting...using kalye dirty words and his actions in general were plain too cheap! I'm just disgusted on how he acted.

c'mon guys. let's all be open minded about this issue. true enough, the players of jru have commited such unaccepted fouls BUT I didn't like the way frankie lim reacted. asan na yung 'class' na sinasabi nya wherein the way his actions speak of being unclassy at all. I even saw his wife by the bench, nakikipagaway din!!!!!!!!!!!!! *** da hell! and from what i know, she teaches 'etiquette' pa.

i'd rather have koy banal and get a b2b than have this whole crappy incident happen again. disappointing.

The issue is not about Frankie Lim's actions.
Let me emphasize this once more bro,
Frankie Lim's actions in the court is not the main issue
but the actions of MANCOM towards US my fellow Bedan

I cant disagree with you, Koy Banal is indeed a classy coach
yet lets not deviate from the real score
MANCOM pulled strings just to suspend Aljamal

[BEESHOP]

i agree with some of your points. here's mine. though i'm a bedan at heart, it's juz dissapointing to know how a coach destroyed sbc's rep.

What frankie did last wednesday was NOT HOW A BEDAN SHOULD BE. Wala sa lugar!! He used to be like that back in his PBA days. He said that what jru players did on his guys was a blessing of jru's coach(?). Pressuming he was right, is it not but proper to complain to the refs. Then the refs shoud then have penalized those players..kick the players out if they have to! But why single out JRU's coach??!

And his words.... his words are plain too dirty which contradicts his useless statement of "having class" so to speak. What he did, confronting...using kalye dirty words and his actions in general were plain too cheap! I'm just disgusted on how he acted.

c'mon guys. let's all be open minded about this issue. true enough, the players of jru have commited such unaccepted fouls BUT I didn't like the way frankie lim reacted. asan na yung 'class' na sinasabi nya wherein the way his actions speak of being unclassy at all. I even saw his wife by the bench, nakikipagaway din!!!!!!!!!!!!! *** da hell! and from what i know, she teaches 'etiquette' pa.

i'd rather have koy banal and get a b2b than have this whole crappy incident happen again. disappointing.

yun ang tinatawag na GALIT!...ikaw ba KUNG TALAGANG BEDAN KA anu yung naramdaman mo habang pinapanuod mo *** game?...pero *** na kong pakialam sa sagot mo...hehehe!!! peace!...NAPUNO ANG SALOP ika nga....5 flagrant fouls!!! ndi na makuha ng players magalit KASE UN NGA ANG TACTIC NA GUSTONG GAWIN NG JRU...sorry unsuccessful na talo pa!!!matalino ang players ng BEDA...hindi sila nagreact sa ganun dahil alam nila ang consequence...THROWN OUT!!! AND SUSPENDED!!!...as sows!!! sige na nga jru at ibang schools na DESPERADO SA PANALO at PUNO NG INGGIT...sa inyo na ang NCAA...SANA ITULOY NGA NG SAN BEDA ANG PAGLIPAT SA IBANG TOURNAMENT...

[anino83]

yun ang tinatawag na GALIT!...ikaw ba KUNG TALAGANG BEDAN KA anu yung naramdaman mo habang pinapanuod mo *** game?...pero *** na kong pakialam sa sagot mo...hehehe!!! peace!...NAPUNO ANG SALOP ika nga....5 flagrant fouls!!! ndi na makuha ng players magalit KASE UN NGA ANG TACTIC NA GUSTONG GAWIN NG JRU...sorry unsuccessful na talo pa!!!matalino ang players ng BEDA...hindi sila nagreact sa ganun dahil alam nila ang consequence...THROWN OUT!!! AND SUSPENDED!!!...as sows!!! sige na nga jru at ibang schools na DESPERADO SA PANALO at PUNO NG INGGIT...sa inyo na ang NCAA...SANA ITULOY NGA NG SAN BEDA ANG PAGLIPAT SA IBANG TOURNAMENT...

got this from an article which said NO SUSPENSIONS were slapped. Wow!

[moksdelight]

i agree with some of your points. here's mine. though i'm a bedan at heart, it's juz dissapointing to know how a coach destroyed sbc's rep.

What frankie did last wednesday was NOT HOW A BEDAN SHOULD BE. Wala sa lugar!! He used to be like that back in his PBA days. He said that what jru players did on his guys was a blessing of jru's coach(?). Pressuming he was right, is it not but proper to complain to the refs. Then the refs shoud then have penalized those players..kick the players out if they have to! But why single out JRU's coach??!

And his words.... his words are plain too dirty which contradicts his useless statement of "having class" so to speak. What he did, confronting...using kalye dirty words and his actions in general were plain too cheap! I'm just disgusted on how he acted.

c'mon guys. let's all be open minded about this issue. true enough, the players of jru have commited such unaccepted fouls BUT I didn't like the way frankie lim reacted. asan na yung 'class' na sinasabi nya wherein the way his actions speak of being unclassy at all. I even saw his wife by the bench, nakikipagaway din!!!!!!!!!!!!! *** da hell! and from what i know, she teaches 'etiquette' pa.

i'd rather have koy banal and get a b2b than have this whole crappy incident happen again. disappointing.

dude... i bet you wasnt able to watch the game... coach frankie stood up to defend his boys... sabi nga nya... defending champion sila... and thats not the way to play the champ...

eniweys!!... even a well-known sports analys... had noticed the dirty trick inflicted by the host school... tlgang ginigipit nila ang beda.... haiz... tsk tsk...

ANIMO SAN BEDA!!!...

[blue&green]

there are rules to be followed. one of them is asking permission before joining any other tournaments and/or the pro draft. espinas et al. did it before, what makes san beda an exemption from that rule? if sabi ng rules bawal, bawal talaga dapat. the rules should be followed and consequences should be faced. dapat walang court jan. the only court that should be played on is only the basketball court and not the RTC.

This is an unbiased opinion as I don't study from any school that plays in the NCAA so don't hate. :)

[DonLabaro]

there are rules to be followed. one of them is asking permission before joining any other tournaments and/or the pro draft. espinas et al. did it before, what makes san beda an exemption from that rule? if sabi ng rules bawal, bawal talaga dapat. the rules should be followed and consequences should be faced. dapat walang court jan. the only court that should be played on is only the basketball court and not the RTC.

This is an unbiased opinion as I don't study from any school that plays in the NCAA so don't hate. :)

There is "NO CLEAR RULE" pal! Have you read the NCAA's policy manual for you to claim we violated a rule? Marunong ka pa kay Ronnie Nathanielsz eh... do you think your opinion is more valuable than his?! He knows more than you do and he is way more credible than a novice. Face the facts pal, in the world of Philippine Basketball, majority if not all basketball critics and analysts see MANCOM's actions as uncalled for and foul. Pare don't try to defend what's OBVIOUSLY wrong.

[SIMBA-SCAR]

hay mga tao nga naman dito. di ko alam kung bobo o nagtatangatangahan. the court will not extend the TRO for 20 days more if SBC violated any rules. speaking of the "permission rule" can you show it to us. even the dumb mancom cant show to the court the "permission rule" or any rules violated by Jamal or SBC. kaya nga naextend ang TRO because the decision of mancom to suspend/disqualified jamal was 101% baseless eh. haayy kulang sa talino mga to.

[SIMBA-SCAR]

another troll in the making, aug 2007 joined date.

[blue&green]

There is "NO CLEAR RULE" pal! Have you read the NCAA's policy manual for you to claim we violated a rule? Marunong ka pa kay Ronnie Nathanielsz eh... do you think your opinion is more valuable than his?! He knows more than you do and he is way more credible than a novice. Face the facts pal, in the world of Philippine Basketball, majority if not all basketball critics and analysts see MANCOM's actions as uncalled for and foul. Pare don't try to defend what's OBVIOUSLY wrong.

i am not trying to defend what is wrong. i am just going by the statements of henry atayde of csb. he said that a rule was violated. coming from a school that does not play in the NCAA, forgive me for being ignorant of your league's rules. But from an outsider's view, if you ask me who's opinion i value more, i would definitely say it's atayde's. this is because he has been in the NCAA long enough to know what the rules are. and you are citing just one columnist. i was watching bill velasco's show in ANC and the three people there stated that if a rule was violated, sanction the team. that is my stand too. if indeed there has been a rule violated, and the league also said that former ncaa players underwent the same procedures for the draft, sanction them. that is my stand on the issue. if there is a violation, sanction. ganun lang naman kasimple eh.

pare naman, i come from a UAAP school so I really don't care what happens to your league. I just want to voice out an opinion and don't hate me for that. I come from DLSU and i studied in AHS. Its an honest opinion. That is why it is called an opinion, pare. i don't care whether you value that columnist's opinion more than mine. I am just saying what is in my head regarding the situation. Opinion lang naman ang akin. What is wrong with saying an honest opinion? wala naman *****.

[blue&green]

hay mga tao nga naman dito. di ko alam kung bobo o nagtatangatangahan. the court will not extend the TRO for 20 days more if SBC violated any rules. speaking of the "permission rule" can you show it to us. even the dumb mancom cant show to the court the "permission rule" or any rules violated by Jamal or SBC. kaya nga naextend ang TRO because the decision of mancom to suspend/disqualified jamal was 101% baseless eh. haayy kulang sa talino mga to.

i will go with your flow of mind. you said that the court will not grant a TRO for 20 more days if SBC violated any rules. Nasa Pinas po tau. Dito, a court can easily favor a side even though the merits of the case is not favoring that particular side. you know, my dad is a trial lawyer and so is my sister, who by the way graduated with honors in UP, said that the TRO that was extended was kind of fishy. pare, galing ng abugado un. who's statements do you think will i favor more? Kulang ako sa talino? Bakit? San ka ba nagaaral? mayabang ka mashado eh. ano ba pinasa mong mga entrance test. di mo naman masasabi na nakapasa ka sa top 3 schools ng bansa natin dba? and kung ako walang utak, ano tawag sayo eh mali mali naman grammar mo. wag kang manginsulto. mashado ka kasing biased sa pinapanigan mo.

[DonLabaro]

i am not trying to defend what is wrong. i am just going by the statements of henry atayde of csb. he said that a rule was violated. coming from a school that does not play in the NCAA, forgive me for being ignorant of your league's rules. But from an outsider's view, if you ask me who's opinion i value more, i would definitely say it's atayde's. this is because he has been in the NCAA long enough to know what the rules are. and you are citing just one columnist. i was watching bill velasco's show in ANC and the three people there stated that if a rule was violated, sanction the team. that is my stand too. if indeed there has been a rule violated, and the league also said that former ncaa players underwent the same procedures for the draft, sanction them. that is my stand on the issue. if there is a violation, sanction. ganun lang naman kasimple eh.

pare naman, i come from a UAAP school so I really don't care what happens to your league. I just want to voice out an opinion and don't hate me for that. I come from DLSU and i studied in AHS. Its an honest opinion. That is why it is called an opinion, pare. i don't care whether you value that columnist's opinion more than mine. I am just saying what is in my head regarding the situation. Opinion lang naman ang akin. What is wrong with saying an honest opinion? wala naman *****.

Okay... My Bad...
I apologize for being a little too emotional w/the issue.
No pun, sorry bro... Everyone is entitled for his or her own opinion, the foundation of column/opinion writing.
PAX

[blue&green]

another troll in the making, aug 2007 joined date.

what makes a poster a troll? pag recently lang nag join? or if that particular poster's opinion is just opposite yours? or both?

that post of yours is such a stupid and senseless post. troll? troll ka pala pag nagsabi ka ng opinion mo. kakatawa :rotflmao:

[liontamer]

what makes a poster a troll? pag recently lang nag join? or if that particular poster's opinion is just opposite yours? or both?

that post of yours is such a stupid and senseless post. troll? troll ka pala pag nagsabi ka ng opinion mo. kakatawa :rotflmao:

Hindi pa ba obvious iyan?

We're not imbeciles here, what are the chances that someone not only joins PEX this mont but also posts on a "sensitive" thread? Let me give you an answer "nil". The only logical explanation is that person has been here in PEX for quite some time now, has read the thread for quite some time and rather than risk using his/her original PEX name creates a new one to participate in it. In other words "no balls".

Sheesh, anonymous na nga tayo lahat dito eh pero takot pa din to use their original PEX names.

Also, a troll is not driven by the opinion but rather by the intent. Maganda nga opinion mo pero if the intent is to deceive and cause disharmony then no questions you are a troll.

[blue&green]

Hindi pa ba obvious iyan?

We're not imbeciles here, what are the chances that someone not only joins PEX this mont but also posts on a "sensitive" thread? Let me give you an answer "nil". The only logical explanation is that person has been here in PEX for quite some time now, has read the thread for quite some time and rather than risk using his/her original PEX name creates a new one to participate in it. In other words "no balls".

Sheesh, anonymous na nga tayo lahat dito eh pero takot pa din to use their original PEX names.

Also, a troll is not driven by the opinion but rather by the intent. Maganda nga opinion mo pero if the intent is to deceive and cause disharmony then no questions you are a troll.

for your information, this is the only PEX SN i have. i only recently joined PEX because I only learned that there is such as a thing as PEX recently. i learned that there is a PEX forum in LASALISTA.com where the thread indicated that there was a protest being brewed up by NU. If you will look at my posts, most of them are in the UAAP forums and even before this thing with san beda happened. ***** ko lang nalaman na may PEX because i don't usually surf the web.

so i think i don't qualify as a troll. the opinion i gave was an honest opinion. the only intent i had was to voice out what i think about the issue. so, do i qualify as a troll? i think not. if you look at my post, the whole thing was a very fair opinion coming from someone who does not belong to any school that belongs to this league. i posted here as a basketball fan. based on the poster who called me a troll, his view of a troll is someone who is against him. now, look at my post and tell me if there is something wrong with my post? i even tried to be polite so no one will be offended by my post.

i had no bad intentions. i just want to make that clear.

[liontamer]

for your information, this is the only PEX SN i have. i only recently joined PEX because I only learned that there is such as a thing as PEX recently. i learned that there is a PEX forum in LASALISTA.com where the thread indicated that there was a protest being brewed up by NU. If you will look at my posts, most of them are in the UAAP forums and even before this thing with san beda happened. ***** ko lang nalaman na may PEX because i don't usually surf the web.

so i think i don't qualify as a troll. the opinion i gave was an honest opinion. the only intent i had was to voice out what i think about the issue. so, do i qualify as a troll? i think not. if you look at my post, the whole thing was a very fair opinion coming from someone who does not belong to any school that belongs to this league. i posted here as a basketball fan. based on the poster who called me a troll, his view of a troll is someone who is against him. now, look at my post and tell me if there is something wrong with my post? i even tried to be polite so no one will be offended by my post.

i had no bad intentions. i just want to make that clear.

So you're just misinformed? Either that or the Bedan community is misinformed? Our lawyers have gone over the rule book and there is no such rule as the one that you insist in your earlier post about asking permission. Even Mr. Supan couldn't produce that supposed RULE in court.

Now if you can produce a copy of the said rule as you claim then please do so and post it here so that you can support your facts and enlighten us that there is indeed a rule.

The problem is a lot of PEXERS like you who joined just this "August" speak with conviction as if their statements have basis. So what's your source? Julius Manicad's misleading articles? Sus, he couldn't even get the founding members of the NCAA right.

Yes. There is something wrong in your post and that's your insistince that there is such a rule and your suceeding allegation that San Beda is trying to exempt itself from the rule. Sorry to burst your bubble but as stated above there is no such rule and if you can prove us wrong then go ahead and post a copy of the rule here.

Konting research muna pare bago mag-post especially if you intend to cite facts such as "rules". Stating it from a personal opinion point of view won't do it justice if it has no basis and the person who posted it will just come out as biased.

[blue&green]

So you're just misinformed? Either that or the Bedan community is misinformed? Our lawyers have gone over the rule book and there is no such rule as the one that you insist in your earlier post about asking permission. Even Mr. Supan couldn't produce that supposed RULE in court.

Now if you can produce a copy of the said rule as you claim then please do so and post it here so that you can support your facts and enlighten us that there is indeed a rule.

The problem is a lot of PEXERS like you who joined just this "August" speak with conviction as if their statements have basis. So what's your source? Julius Manicad's misleading articles? Sus, he couldn't even get the founding members of the NCAA right.

Yes. There is something wrong in your post and that's your insistince that there is such a rule and your suceeding allegation that San Beda is trying to exempt itself from the rule. Sorry to burst your bubble but as stated above there is no such rule and if you can prove us wrong then go ahead and post a copy of the rule here.

Konting research muna pare bago mag-post especially if you intend to cite facts such as "rules". Stating it from a personal opinion point of view won't do it justice if it has no basis and the person who posted it will just come out as biased.

pare, all i said was if there was a violation, i sanction. un lang naman eh. there is a rule that states that a player cannot play while the NCAA tourney is ongoing. it could be interpreted in many ways. just as atayde said, if the player gets a ball, gets a jersey on, and plays, they consider that as playing in a tournament. i was basing my opinion on the statements of henry atayde. he's neither from beda or from jru. as i said, what is hard with asking permission to play in the rookie camp?

and yeah, you're statement with the lawyers thing... do you know what a TRO means? do you know that merits of the case is not considered when granting a TRO? so it doesn't mean that if beda was granted a TRO that they are automatically correct. the TRO was given to prevent damage that is beyond repair. now, the 3 day TRO, as i asked a lawyer about it, was granted in the hopes that the sbc and ncaa would come to an agreement. that did not happen. i was informed that the 20 day TRO is now for the judge to consider both sides and decide who is correct. the TRO was granted because of the fact that the sbc thinks that playing without aljamal would create damage that could be beyond repair. at least that was what the lawyer told me. so, in short, the granting of the TRO was not an indication that the NCAA was wrong. now, i read in the papers that the NCAA filed their own petition to remove the TRO and i guess they could prove the rule they are saying. what would their basis be if they have no proof?

if you take away the right of someone to voice out an opinion, then you might as well close down the forum. you take the very essence of this forum. the forum is a place to share facts and each poster's opinion. so why take it against me if i posted my opinion? ask donlabaro about it. and yeah, how can i be bias if i don't even come from any school from the NCAA? malabo ata *** bias bias na yan.

[liontamer]

pare, all i said was if there was a violation, i sanction. un lang naman eh. there is a rule that states that a player cannot play while the NCAA tourney is ongoing. it could be interpreted in many ways. just as atayde said, if the player gets a ball, gets a jersey on, and plays, they consider that as playing in a tournament. i was basing my opinion on the statements of henry atayde. he's neither from beda or from jru. as i said, what is hard with asking permission to play in the rookie camp?

and yeah, you're statement with the lawyers thing... do you know what a TRO means? do you know that merits of the case is not considered when granting a TRO? so it doesn't mean that if beda was granted a TRO that they are automatically correct. the TRO was given to prevent damage that is beyond repair. now, the 3 day TRO, as i asked a lawyer about it, was granted in the hopes that the sbc and ncaa would come to an agreement. that did not happen. i was informed that the 20 day TRO is now for the judge to consider both sides and decide who is correct. the TRO was granted because of the fact that the sbc thinks that playing without aljamal would create damage that could be beyond repair. at least that was what the lawyer told me. so, in short, the granting of the TRO was not an indication that the NCAA was wrong. now, i read in the papers that the NCAA filed their own petition to remove the TRO and i guess they could prove the rule they are saying. what would their basis be if they have no proof?

if you take away the right of someone to voice out an opinion, then you might as well close down the forum. you take the very essence of this forum. the forum is a place to share facts and each poster's opinion. so why take it against me if i posted my opinion? ask donlabaro about it. and yeah, how can i be bias if i don't even come from any school from the NCAA? malabo ata *** bias bias na yan.

Allow me to re-post your earlier post

there are rules to be followed. one of them is asking permission before joining any other tournaments and/or the pro draft. espinas et al. did it before, what makes san beda an exemption from that rule? if sabi ng rules bawal, bawal talaga dapat. the rules should be followed and consequences should be faced. dapat walang court jan. the only court that should be played on is only the basketball court and not the RTC.

This is an unbiased opinion as I don't study from any school that plays in the NCAA so don't hate.

So what rule are YOU exactly talking about? The basis of our arguments is based on your earlier post wherein you insist that A PLAYER HAS TO ASK PERMISSION FROM THE MANCOM and not on your "new" spin concerning the existing rule of NCAA PLAYERS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY IN OTHER TOURNAMENTS WHILE THE NCAA IS ONGOING. Malaking pagkakaiba ng mga statements mo pare, what I asked for proof was the rule on ASKING PERMISSION that you earlier quoted. Why are you singing a different tune now? Is it because there really is no RULE ON ASKING PERMISSION in the first place?

With regards to the TRO, of course I know what a TRO is but sadly I can't say the same for you. Good that you mentioned "not automatically correct" because in case you forgot or deliberately chose to ignore it, a TRO is only issued if the court feels that there is something "correct" in the motion of the plaintiff. So are you telling me that the issuance of TROs are "dalawa beinte singko", meaning to say even if a plaintiff's argument has no moral soundness the TRO can still be granted? I don't think so. The way you state your case about the TRO its as if it has no significance at all when in actuality it does.

With regards to voicing out one's opinion and the very essence of this forum please remember that there are RESPONSIBILITIES any poster must observe before one can honestly say that they are genuinely and objectively posting. In your case, that doesn't come true given the following:

1. Your ORIGINAL post yesterday had factual errors particulartly on the supposed RULE of ASKING PERMISSION FROM THE NCAA
2. You are changing your story now, so from ASKING PERMISSION its now NO PLAYER CAN PLAY IN ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT just because you can't substantiate or back-up your earlier post
3. The most important o all.... You are obviously bothered and are thus DEFENSIVE on why you should not be branded a TROLL

In the end, if you choose to cling on your argument then so be it, if you really feel confident that a source like Mr. Atayde is non-partisan, then it shouldn't bother you a bit what the other PEXERS think of you. Right?

[pgma]

why not argue with Mr. Ronnie Nathanielsz na lang? :D

Malinao pa sa sikat ng araw ang article ni Mr. Nathanielsz. Wag na kasing mag bulag bulagan. tsupangker

[stone collector]

veteran basketball analyst na ang humusga ng mga kaBaboyan ng JRU

HOPIANG BABOY JAN MURANG MURA!!!


sino siya Diyos ba siya para humusga!!!
SURE KA BA WALANG BAYAD IYAN???:D
sa dami ng pera nyo kaya nyong bilhin kahit sino.

saka may class ka nga!!! kitang kita sapagsasalita mo!! :D
mas baboy ka pa sa pinaka-baboy!!!! diba indian baboy!!


nasa court na ang case ni aljamal
kapag natalo at humingi ng sorry ang MANCOM sa kanya at sa beda
i will do the same for all the beda people here in PEX's

pero kapag may nangbaboy pa sa JRU...
i can always give you what you want!!!

TOUCH ME NOT!!!!!

[blue&green]

Allow me to re-post your earlier post



So what rule are YOU exactly talking about? The basis of our arguments is based on your earlier post wherein you insist that A PLAYER HAS TO ASK PERMISSION FROM THE MANCOM and not on your "new" spin concerning the existing rule of NCAA PLAYERS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY IN OTHER TOURNAMENTS WHILE THE NCAA IS ONGOING. Malaking pagkakaiba ng mga statements mo pare, what I asked for proof was the rule on ASKING PERMISSION that you earlier quoted. Why are you singing a different tune now? Is it because there really is no RULE ON ASKING PERMISSION in the first place?

With regards to the TRO, of course I know what a TRO is but sadly I can't say the same for you. Good that you mentioned "not automatically correct" because in case you forgot or deliberately chose to ignore it, a TRO is only issued if the court feels that there is something "correct" in the motion of the plaintiff. So are you telling me that the issuance of TROs are "dalawa beinte singko", meaning to say even if a plaintiff's argument has no moral soundness the TRO can still be granted? I don't think so. The way you state your case about the TRO its as if it has no significance at all when in actuality it does.

With regards to voicing out one's opinion and the very essence of this forum please remember that there are RESPONSIBILITIES any poster must observe before one can honestly say that they are genuinely and objectively posting. In your case, that doesn't come true given the following:

1. Your ORIGINAL post yesterday had factual errors particulartly on the supposed RULE of ASKING PERMISSION FROM THE NCAA
2. You are changing your story now, so from ASKING PERMISSION its now NO PLAYER CAN PLAY IN ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT just because you can't substantiate or back-up your earlier post
3. The most important o all.... You are obviously bothered and are thus DEFENSIVE on why you should not be branded a TROLL

In the end, if you choose to cling on your argument then so be it, if you really feel confident that a source like Mr. Atayde is non-partisan, then it shouldn't bother you a bit what the other PEXERS think of you. Right?

those statements are actually connected. according to the board members i heard in their interviews, specifically atayde, and after reading the column of bill velasco in today's paper, a player is NOT ALLOWED BUT CAN ASK PERMISSION AND IT IS ALMOST SURE THAT THEY WILL BE GRANTED THAT PERMISSION. i am basing my facts on what i hear from board members and analysts, specifically in hardball. normally, they will not be allowed but if they ask for permission to the mancom if they could play in the rookie camp, that permission will be granted. the mancon treats the rookie camp as a tournament, according to atayde, but since it is for the betterment of the player's future, NCAA allows their players to play in the rookie camp AS LONG AS THEY ASK PERMISSION. asking for permission is simply an act of respect and that was not done by aljamal and the mancom took great offense for that.

regarding the TRO, are you saying that the lawyer is wrong? the things i said about the TRO are all said by lawyers i asked. mind you, they are graduates of UP and they are graduates with honors. are you telling me that their view on what a TRO means is wrong? I asked 2 lawyers about it and they unanimously agreed that a TRO is to prevent damages that could not be repaired, thus restraining the defendant from doing what they are doing temporarily. i guess my point is, the TRO was granted because the suspension of aljamal could damage sbc beyond repair in the basketball court. That is what the lawyers from UP told me. Now, if you are saying that you are smarter than them with regards to law, then i have nothing left to say.

thirdly, i read in velasco's column that indeed, A PLAYER IS BANNED FROM PLAYING FROM ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT IF THE NCAA TOURNEY IS STILL ONGOING BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PBA DRAFTING, PLAYERS SHOULD ASK FOR PERMISSION BEFORE THEY COULD JOIN THE DRAFT. THAT CAME FROM MR. BASKETBALL SHOW HIMSELF. he quoted the rep of san beda and he said that they believe no violation was committed. HE SAID THAT A ROOKIE CAMP IS NOT A TOURNAMENT AND SO, NO VIOLATION WAS DONE BUT ATAYDE CONTESTED THIS AND SAID THAT INDEED IT IS A TOURNAMENT. i suggest you read THE STAR today and go to the inside sports section and read velasco's column, particulary when he quoted atayde and the sbc representative. he even blasted ncaa on the issue because he said that it could have been repaired privately by just asking aljamal to file a permission, but that is beside the point.

lastly, when i posted, i was very polite about it. factual errors? i was basing my arguments on the facts given by the people in hardball, atayde, and the other things i read in the paper. so if i am wrong then the people i just mentioned were wrong also, am i right? you seem to know the ncaa rules. do you have a copy of it? and if indeed you have, please tell me the rule that bars players from playing in other tournaments. as i said, the rookie camp could be interpreted in many ways and that is the point of contention today, was it a tournament or was it not a tournament? there were precedents already, example: espinas, bautista, aban, the only question is, why didn't aljamal ask for permission. it would be granted anyway. and the troll thing, i am being defensive because you are accusing me of something. pag mali ba *** isa, porket tama ka, di mo na papansinin kasi alam mo namang tama ka? lalo na kapag pinagbbintangan ka?

[stone collector]

those statements are actually connected. according to the board members i heard in their interviews, specifically atayde, and after reading the column of bill velasco in today's paper, a player is NOT ALLOWED BUT CAN ASK PERMISSION AND IT IS ALMOST SURE THAT THEY WILL BE GRANTED THAT PERMISSION. i am basing my facts on what i hear from board members and analysts, specifically in hardball. normally, they will not be allowed but if they ask for permission to the mancom if they could play in the rookie camp, that permission will be granted. the mancon treats the rookie camp as a tournament, according to atayde, but since it is for the betterment of the player's future, NCAA allows their players to play in the rookie camp AS LONG AS THEY ASK PERMISSION. asking for permission is simply an act of respect and that was not done by aljamal and the mancom took great offense for that.

regarding the TRO, are you saying that the lawyer is wrong? the things i said about the TRO are all said by lawyers i asked. mind you, they are graduates of UP and they are graduates with honors. are you telling me that their view on what a TRO means is wrong? I asked 2 lawyers about it and they unanimously agreed that a TRO is to prevent damages that could not be repaired, thus restraining the defendant from doing what they are doing temporarily. i guess my point is, the TRO was granted because the suspension of aljamal could damage sbc beyond repair in the basketball court. That is what the lawyers from UP told me. Now, if you are saying that you are smarter than them with regards to law, then i have nothing left to say.

thirdly, i read in velasco's column that indeed, A PLAYER IS BANNED FROM PLAYING FROM ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT IF THE NCAA TOURNEY IS STILL ONGOING BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PBA DRAFTING, PLAYERS SHOULD ASK FOR PERMISSION BEFORE THEY COULD JOIN THE DRAFT. THAT CAME FROM MR. BASKETBALL SHOW HIMSELF. he quoted the rep of san beda and he said that they believe no violation was committed. HE SAID THAT A ROOKIE CAMP IS NOT A TOURNAMENT AND SO, NO VIOLATION WAS DONE BUT ATAYDE CONTESTED THIS AND SAID THAT INDEED IT IS A TOURNAMENT. i suggest you read THE STAR today and go to the inside sports section and read velasco's column, particulary when he quoted atayde and the sbc representative. he even blasted ncaa on the issue because he said that it could have been repaired privately by just asking aljamal to file a permission, but that is beside the point.

lastly, when i posted, i was very polite about it. factual errors? i was basing my arguments on the facts given by the people in hardball, atayde, and the other things i read in the paper. so if i am wrong then the people i just mentioned were wrong also, am i right? you seem to know the ncaa rules. do you have a copy of it? and if indeed you have, please tell me the rule that bars players from playing in other tournaments. as i said, the rookie camp could be interpreted in many ways and that is the point of contention today, was it a tournament or was it not a tournament? there were precedents already, example: espinas, bautista, aban, the only question is, why didn't aljamal ask for permission. it would be granted anyway. and the troll thing, i am being defensive because you are accusing me of something. pag mali ba *** isa, porket tama ka, di mo na papansinin kasi alam mo namang tama ka? lalo na kapag pinagbbintangan ka?


THE BEST EVER EXPLANATION NA NABASA KO DITO SA PEX'S!!!
i hope you can share more of your views.
in my opinion mas magaling ka pa sa ibang writer diyan na bayaran.

[liontamer]

those statements are actually connected. according to the board members i heard in their interviews, specifically atayde, and after reading the column of bill velasco in today's paper, a player is NOT ALLOWED BUT CAN ASK PERMISSION AND IT IS ALMOST SURE THAT THEY WILL BE GRANTED THAT PERMISSION. i am basing my facts on what i hear from board members and analysts, specifically in hardball. normally, they will not be allowed but if they ask for permission to the mancom if they could play in the rookie camp, that permission will be granted. the mancon treats the rookie camp as a tournament, according to atayde, but since it is for the betterment of the player's future, NCAA allows their players to play in the rookie camp AS LONG AS THEY ASK PERMISSION. asking for permission is simply an act of respect and that was not done by aljamal and the mancom took great offense for that.

NO, your comments and statements are not connected. It is very clear in the first post that the rule you are trying to insist on is that A PLAYER SHOULD ASK PERMISSION and NOT A PLAYER IS PREVENTED FROM PLAYING IN OTHER TOURNAMENTS. Try as you may with your loooooooooooooooong explanation, those who have read your two statements already know that you have changed your story and have deviated from your earlier contention that A RULE ON ASKING PERMISSION FROM MANCOM is in existence. Sorry, there's just aint no rule.

regarding the TRO, are you saying that the lawyer is wrong? the things i said about the TRO are all said by lawyers i asked. mind you, they are graduates of UP and they are graduates with honors. are you telling me that their view on what a TRO means is wrong? I asked 2 lawyers about it and they unanimously agreed that a TRO is to prevent damages that could not be repaired, thus restraining the defendant from doing what they are doing temporarily. i guess my point is, the TRO was granted because the suspension of aljamal could damage sbc beyond repair in the basketball court. That is what the lawyers from UP told me. Now, if you are saying that you are smarter than them with regards to law, then i have nothing left to say.

Yes, they are wrong, because a TRO is simply not handed out or granted if it has no merit which is contrary to what you are trying to allude to (which is anybody can get a TRO).

thirdly, i read in velasco's column that indeed, A PLAYER IS BANNED FROM PLAYING FROM ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT IF THE NCAA TOURNEY IS STILL ONGOING BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PBA DRAFTING, PLAYERS SHOULD ASK FOR PERMISSION BEFORE THEY COULD JOIN THE DRAFT. THAT CAME FROM MR. BASKETBALL SHOW HIMSELF. he quoted the rep of san beda and he said that they believe no violation was committed. HE SAID THAT A ROOKIE CAMP IS NOT A TOURNAMENT AND SO, NO VIOLATION WAS DONE BUT ATAYDE CONTESTED THIS AND SAID THAT INDEED IT IS A TOURNAMENT. i suggest you read THE STAR today and go to the inside sports section and read velasco's column, particulary when he quoted atayde and the sbc representative. he even blasted ncaa on the issue because he said that it could have been repaired privately by just asking aljamal to file a permission, but that is beside the point.

That article was printed only this morning and not yesterday when you haphazardly proclaimed to all and sundry that a rule on ASKING FOR PERMISSION exists. Besides, even Mr. Velasco is convinced that there is no such rule in existence, his statement blasting the MANCOM was made from a moral standpoint wherein assuming for the BASIS OF ARGUMENT there is such a requirement (where we know there is not) that the sanction being levied is too harsh. On top of that Mr. Velasco is also fuming that the fact that the decision to BAN ALJAMAL was made on August 8 wherein the dates of the supposed infractions were August 15-17 and 19. Ano ito parang MINORITY REPORT, di ka pa nga nag-participate sa camp at nag-pa draft eh BAN ka na?

FYI, no one is rebutting that no rule on PREVENTING NCAA PLAYERS TO PLAY IN OTHER TOURNAMENTS DURING THE SEASON exists. What I am taking you to task with is your seeming CONCLUSION that a written rule on ASKING FOR PERMISSION exists.

With regards to the rookie camp the PBA ITSELF, THE ORGANIZER OF THE SAID CAMP already informed the court last Friday (via a letter) that the ROOKIE CAMP is no tournament. So mas marunong pa iyung mga taga MANCOM sa mga nag-organize nung camp?

Of course Atayde will INSIST that it is a TOURNAMENT because that is what they are using to hold their suspension. Kasama siya sa mga nagpakana niyan eh. Lalabas naman siyang kahiya hiya niyan sa board kapag iba ang sasabihin niya. I SUGGEST YOU TRY TO ANALYZE YOUR SOURCES FIRST, ITS SO OBVIOUS THAT YOUR SOURCE HAS A BESTED INTEREST IN THE CASE SO IT DOESN'T TAKE A KINDERGARTEN STUDENT TO SEE THAT HE WASN'T MAKING AN ANALYSIS OF THE CASE BUT RATHER A JUSTIFICATION OF THE RULING THAT HE WAS PARTY TO. There's a big difference there.

lastly, when i posted, i was very polite about it. factual errors? i was basing my arguments on the facts given by the people in hardball, atayde, and the other things i read in the paper. so if i am wrong then the people i just mentioned were wrong also, am i right? you seem to know the ncaa rules. do you have a copy of it? and if indeed you have, please tell me the rule that bars players from playing in other tournaments. as i said, the rookie camp could be interpreted in many ways and that is the point of contention today, was it a tournament or was it not a tournament? there were precedents already, example: espinas, bautista, aban, the only question is, why didn't aljamal ask for permission. it would be granted anyway. and the troll thing, i am being defensive because you are accusing me of something. pag mali ba *** isa, porket tama ka, di mo na papansinin kasi alam mo namang tama ka? lalo na kapag pinagbbintangan ka?

No, you are being defensive because you feel it that others feel what you are up to. On top of that you are also defensive because your posts contradict each other. Erroneous posts mo pare. Also don't turn the tables on me or the other posters here by asking us to produce a copy of the rules, you started with your insistence that there is a rule on ASKING FOR PERMISSION my and the others' position is that there is none, so its YOU who should produce the rule you so insist because as far as we know there is none.

One more thing, your guess is as good as mine and the others if Espinas, Najorda, et. al really did ask for permission from the MANCOM.

Simple lang naman to resolve this, PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTED AND WRITTEN RULE THAT REQUIRES A PLAYER TO ASK FOR PERMISSION FROM MANCOM BEFORE APPLYING FOR THE PBA DRAFT. That way you'll have a stronger argument. Don't skirt the issue by trying to talk about the ROOKIE CAMP, hindi naman iyun iyung initial argument mo and even that has no basis whatsoever.

[No Benedicto]

Au bleu et vert votre père et la soeur doit avoir été des idiots stupides pour avoir un parent comme vous. Pseudo intellectual. I miss B.com now I have to settle for this.:mecry:

[liontamer]

To further drive home the point, here are some excerpts from Bill Velasco's article and what these actually mean:

"Many questioned the timing of the suspension order. First of all, Aljamal’s name was on the list of those who had applied for the PBA Draft, and he was listed among those able to play in the Rookie Camp. Couldn’t the NCAA have settled the matter privately, by asking San Beda to forward a written request to allow Aljamal to play? Also, the suspension came out two days before San Beda was slated to play against host Jose Rizal University, which is aiming for a Final Four slot, and a possible twice-to-beat advantage should it finish the eliminations in the top two. JRU has not won an NCAA title since 1972."

For the umpteenth time, for both the uninformed and for those who simply disregard this, the crucial timelines in this case:

August 8 - MANCOM minus SAN BEDA met and BANS Aljamal for 1) attending the PBA rookie camp (which hasn't even taken place yet) and 2) for being drafted in the PBA (which also hasn't taken place yet)
August 15-17 - Aljamal participates in the camp and NO WORD from MANCOM
August 19 - Aljamal gets picked No. 8, again NO WORD from MANCOM
August 21 - At 1 PM in the afternoon San Beda receives MANCOM letter dated August 8 informing them that Aljamal is BANNED for the rest of the season

Isn't it obvious that this was not only premeditated but also sabotage?

Last season and the season before, several NCAA stars, including Gabby Espinas, Aaron Aban and Boyet Bautista, played in the playoffs well after being drafted into the PBA. Apparently, they had sought permission from the league first.

And that is the key word, APPARENTLY. According to who? The NCAA board? There is no written rule that a PLAYER SHOULD ASK FOR PERMISSION.

San Beda believes that no rule was violated. They contend that the Rookie Camp was not an organized tournament, but just a scrimmage. But the Mancom has a different perspective.

“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.

Shoot. So if that is his argument then practice games against the respective Team Bs of these schools should also be considered as tournaments. As long as naka uniform at rubber lang daw eh. Seriously, will you reall buy this explanation? Personally, I find it a rude and irresponsible remark to make especially on national TV.

Perhaps the biggest questions still to be answered are: how important is it to enforce an unclear rule that is interpreted differently, and is voided by the mere act of asking permission, anyway? And beyond this, who benefits by punishing San Beda.

These are the questions NCAA fans wish were answered clearly and promptly.

Again operative words UNCLEAR RULE, di ba if its not in the rulebook then it aint a rule? Ganun lang kasimple iyun.

Lastly, the NCAA MANCOM is no longer pursuing the HE DIDN'T ASK OUR PERMISSION route, instead they are pinning their case on insisting that the PBA ROOKIE CAMP IS A TOURNAMENT. Unfortunately, we all and we should know better.

[ilmer]

Panalo na to.

[blue&green]

NO, your comments and statements are not connected. It is very clear in the first post that the rule you are trying to insist on is that A PLAYER SHOULD ASK PERMISSION and NOT A PLAYER IS PREVENTED FROM PLAYING IN OTHER TOURNAMENTS. Try as you may with your loooooooooooooooong explanation, those who have read your two statements already know that you have changed your story and have deviated from your earlier contention that A RULE ON ASKING PERMISSION FROM MANCOM is in existence. Sorry, there's just aint no rule.



Yes, they are wrong, because a TRO is simply not handed out or granted if it has no merit which is contrary to what you are trying to allude to (which is anybody can get a TRO).



That article was printed only this morning and not yesterday when you haphazardly proclaimed to all and sundry that a rule on ASKING FOR PERMISSION exists. Besides, even Mr. Velasco is convinced that there is no such rule in existence, his statement blasting the MANCOM was made from a moral standpoint wherein assuming for the BASIS OF ARGUMENT there is such a requirement (where we know there is not) that the sanction being levied is too harsh. On top of that Mr. Velasco is also fuming that the fact that the decision to BAN ALJAMAL was made on August 8 wherein the dates of the supposed infractions were August 15-17 and 19. Ano ito parang MINORITY REPORT, di ka pa nga nag-participate sa camp at nag-pa draft eh BAN ka na?

FYI, no one is rebutting that no rule on PREVENTING NCAA PLAYERS TO PLAY IN OTHER TOURNAMENTS DURING THE SEASON exists. What I am taking you to task with is your seeming CONCLUSION that a written rule on ASKING FOR PERMISSION exists.

With regards to the rookie camp the PBA ITSELF, THE ORGANIZER OF THE SAID CAMP already informed the court last Friday (via a letter) that the ROOKIE CAMP is no tournament. So mas marunong pa iyung mga taga MANCOM sa mga nag-organize nung camp?

Of course Atayde will INSIST that it is a TOURNAMENT because that is what they are using to hold their suspension. Kasama siya sa mga nagpakana niyan eh. Lalabas naman siyang kahiya hiya niyan sa board kapag iba ang sasabihin niya. I SUGGEST YOU TRY TO ANALYZE YOUR SOURCES FIRST, ITS SO OBVIOUS THAT YOUR SOURCE HAS A BESTED INTEREST IN THE CASE SO IT DOESN'T TAKE A KINDERGARTEN STUDENT TO SEE THAT HE WASN'T MAKING AN ANALYSIS OF THE CASE BUT RATHER A JUSTIFICATION OF THE RULING THAT HE WAS PARTY TO. There's a big difference there.



No, you are being defensive because you feel it that others feel what you are up to. On top of that you are also defensive because your posts contradict each other. Erroneous posts mo pare. Also don't turn the tables on me or the other posters here by asking us to produce a copy of the rules, you started with your insistence that there is a rule on ASKING FOR PERMISSION my and the others' position is that there is none, so its YOU who should produce the rule you so insist because as far as we know there is none.

One more thing, your guess is as good as mine and the others if Espinas, Najorda, et. al really did ask for permission from the MANCOM.

Simple lang naman to resolve this, PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTED AND WRITTEN RULE THAT REQUIRES A PLAYER TO ASK FOR PERMISSION FROM MANCOM BEFORE APPLYING FOR THE PBA DRAFT. That way you'll have a stronger argument. Don't skirt the issue by trying to talk about the ROOKIE CAMP, hindi naman iyun iyung initial argument mo and even that has no basis whatsoever.

1. as i said, and the mancom and the hardball guys said, you are barred from playing from other tournaments, yes, but you can ask permission with regards to the draft if you could include yourself in the rookie camp. why can't you see the connection there? oo, normally di pwede sumali pero pwede ka magpaalam sa board if you could join the camp as it is important in a cager's career.

2. cge, mas magaling ka na sa abogado na taga UP na practicing for more than a decade na.:rotflmao: take note, trial lawyer un ha. they normally are the ones who ask for TROs and stuff. as i said, anybody can get a TRO AS LONG AS THEY CAN PROVE THAT GRANTING A TRO WOULD PREVENT DAMAGES THAT COULD NOT BE REPAIRED IF THE PARTY WAS NOT GIVEN A TRO. pare naman, abogado na nagsabi nyan. ***** naman they know the law more than me and you.

3. as i said, the point of contention, is whether the camp was a tournament or not. and i will repeat what i have said a million times before, kapag may mali, sanction. shempre vice-versa din. kung wala, edi walang sanction. i said that even before.

4. the mancom is a group of people from different schools. if sinasabi mong si atayde may VESTED interest edi ibig sabihin lahat sila may VESTED interest? they voted on that issue and the decision was majority, if not unanimous.

5. sino ka *****? si madam manghuhula? how do you know what i feel? are you telling me that i should not defend myself if someone accuses me of being something that i am not? as i said, bakit ako magiging bias kung I DON'T BELONG TO ANY SCHOOL THAT IS PARTICIPATING IN THE NCAA?? ANO LOGIC NUN PARE?? and ang kulit mo naman. i told you that i am basing my opinion on what i heard and it was admitted already that there is a rule that bars players from participating from any other tournament and a player has just got to ask permission in the case of a pba rookie camp. I agree with what bill velasco said. why did they not approach aljamal earlier and fix this privately? why did they suspend aljamal before the game against jru? i agree with all that but that is beside the point. the contention is the rookie camp and not the application for the draft dude. Given na un. mejo suspicious talaga *** timing. pero, i am a firm believer that when a rule was broken, then sanction whoever broke it.

6. do you think i have a copy of the rules? ilang beses ko ba uulitin, i am basing my opinions and statements regarding this issue on what i hear from the analysts and what i read in the paper and what members of that league of yours say.

7. if you look at my other posts, you will see that i have always been claiming that the point of contention and i said it already, if it is considered a tournament, then may violation, then you should sanction.

8. dude, i have nothing against you and your school. pero i post din in the UAAP forum because my school plays in that league. there, if you have an opinion, you could easily say it and people will respect that, most especially people from the top 3 universities in the philippines. as long as you don't bash and disrespect and talk crap about other schools, the posters will respect your opinion. why can't you do that also? i have my own opinion and you should learn to respect that whether it is against you or not. i talked to a bedan poster here already and he also said that posters should be respectful of others' opinions.

[geno_cide222]

guys mejo hinay lang tayo, I think naman the comments from blue and green were made in good faith. It's just that we interpret things differently and sometimes we tend to believe what we want to believe. If he want's to say his opinion then let him, di naman sya troll (daw) so there is nothing wrong with that. But the moment he trashes our school then I will be the first one to kick his butt out of this forum.

B&G - wag ka rin mayasdo mayabang dude, you haVe to understand that we are all emotional here about the issue. If you really have that high standard of education that you are talking about then you would surely understand. Just think, if this happened to your beloved green school, would'nt you be emotional too? Mejo mayabang yung hirit mo about some bedans not passing the entrance exam of the top 3 schools. I actually passed the exam in DLSU but still opted to stay in SBC after HS. Preference lang yan dude.

[Dilim_Man]

To B&G, I am from UP but I spent my high school days at San Beda High School. I noticed that in each of your post you have emphasized that you came from the top three universities of this country. I am sorry, I only know of UP and Ateneo. You must be referring to Princeton, Yale and Harvard, where my brother graduated. I, also, came from a family of lawyers from UP, Ateneo and San Beda, and while my family members are good lawyers only a Bedan relative was able to top the Bar. So my unsolicited advice is for you to practice a little humility and to refrain from elevating yourself which is actually unnecessary in the issues you are raising...for if you compare yourself with others you may become vain and bitter for always there will be someone greater and better than you.

[Dilim_Man]

Princeton, Yale and Harvard are not even in this country so it puzzles me that you refer to the top three...

[ZzzzzzzZZZ0909]

“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.

With that kind of logic he is without doubt a La Sallian.

[antoine666]

sino siya Diyos ba siya para humusga!!!
SURE KA BA WALANG BAYAD IYAN???:D
sa dami ng pera nyo kaya nyong bilhin kahit sino.

saka may class ka nga!!! kitang kita sapagsasalita mo!! :D
mas baboy ka pa sa pinaka-baboy!!!! diba indian baboy!!


nasa court na ang case ni aljamal
kapag natalo at humingi ng sorry ang MANCOM sa kanya at sa beda
i will do the same for all the beda people here in PEX's

pero kapag may nangbaboy pa sa JRU...
i can always give you what you want!!!

TOUCH ME NOT!!!!!

Hep, Hep! Speaking of baboy, i give you babe. At mukhang tinatawag ka na, hala sumunod ka na at baka ipasiko, tadyak, bodyslam ka sa kapwa biik mo.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8766/arielvsq8.jpg

BTW: Touch me noT? Aba'y siyempre nakakadiri ka. Sinong ulupong naman kaya ang magtatangkang humawak sa'yo. yuck! :yuck: :oink: *pig* :vomit:

[ZzzzzzzZZZ0909]

SECTION 2.7, RULE #2 RESTRICTIONS & SECTION 6.5.2:

"Any athlete, individual or team, is NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE in any SPORTS CONTEST, LEAGUE or TOURNAMENT of the particular sports event while the NCAA tournament for the particular sport event is ON-GOING without the permission of the NCAA ManCom, otherwise, VIOLATION of this provision shall be REMOVAL of the concern (sic) athlete, individual or team, fromthe particular sports tournament and that preceding games/matches where the athlete has participated in and the succeeding assigned games/matches shall be considered forfeited".

CONNECT IT WITH A LASALLIAN'S INTERPRETATION

“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.


Pano ba yan mga players ng NCAA bawal kayo magsuot ng basketball shoes SABAY dribble kapag weekends. Magpaalam muna kayo kay henyong ATAYDE. Bawal na din magpraktis, magpaalam muna kao sa MANCOM. Kada praktis niyo sa court niyo bawal na. HAHAHA

[blue&green]

Princeton, Yale and Harvard are not even in this country so it puzzles me that you refer to the top three...

shempre nasa philippines naman *** 3 un dba? sabi ko top 3 universities in the Philippines po :rotflmao:

[eklavu]

Hep, Hep! Speaking of baboy, i give you babe. At mukhang tinatawag ka na, hala sumunod ka na at baka ipasiko, tadyak, bodyslam ka sa kapwa biik mo.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8766/arielvsq8.jpg

BTW: Touch me noT? Aba'y siyempre nakakadiri ka. Sinong ulupong naman kaya ang magtatangkang humawak sa'yo. yuck! :yuck: :oink: *pig* :vomit:

HAHAHAHHAHA....naku, sunod sunod ang english words.

paragraph kung paragraph na... ndi na makasabat c stone collector...

fellow bedans, tagalog naman kase... d nya maintindihan.... maawa na kayo sa kanya.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Dilim_Man]

I go by the dictum that;
"Je ne peux pas être d'accord avec ce que vous dites mais je défendrai à la mort que votre droite pour le dire"
so whatever you say I will defend your right to say it, but as far as I am concerned in this country the top universities are:

1) UP Diliman
2) Ateneo de Manila University

as I said this is relative, but when it comes to law school, the top three are:
1) UP Diliman
2) Ateneo de Manila University; and
3) San Beda College
a little out of topic so let's give it a rest.:)

[LongBow]

Pano ba yan mga players ng NCAA bawal kayo magsuot ng basketball shoes SABAY dribble kapag weekends. Magpaalam muna kayo kay henyong ATAYDE. Bawal na din magpraktis, magpaalam muna kao sa MANCOM. Kada praktis niyo sa court niyo bawal na. HAHAHA


pwede pa rin magpraktis..basta nakatsinelas o kaya naka-paa. :lol:

[ZzzzzzzZZZ0909]

SECTION 2.7, RULE #2 RESTRICTIONS & SECTION 6.5.2:

"Any athlete, individual or team, is NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE in any SPORTS CONTEST, LEAGUE or TOURNAMENT of the particular sports event while the NCAA tournament for the particular sport event is ON-GOING without the permission of the NCAA ManCom, otherwise, VIOLATION of this provision shall be REMOVAL of the concern (sic) athlete, individual or team, fromthe particular sports tournament and that preceding games/matches where the athlete has participated in and the succeeding assigned games/matches shall be considered forfeited".

As interpreted by CHIEF JUSTICE ATAYDE..

“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.

With that kind of logic he is without doubt a La Sallian.

Pano ba yan mga players ng NCAA bawal kayo magsuot ng basketball shoes SABAY dribble kapag weekends. Magpaalam muna kayo kay henyong ATAYDE. Bawal na din magpraktis, magpaalam muna kao sa MANCOM. Kada praktis niyo sa court niyo bawal na. HAHAHA

[fattybearyus]

This thread is also out of topic.

Aren't there any moderators in PEX? Please align the posts.

Why haven't I seen enough comments on the article??

[ARCHERS_LIONS]

@DILIM_MAN... UP is really the best school in the philippines and no one will argue with that.. but i don't think that admu is next because dlsu has level 4 in PAASCU and did better in the world rankins as compared to admu...


animo green

[charmbedista]

pwede pa rin magpraktis..basta nakatsinelas o kaya naka-paa. :lol:

haha! kaso panu yan? eh bawal humawak ng basketball? haha! :rotflmao:

[ARCHERS_LIONS]

@DILIM_MAN... UP is really the best school in the philippines and no one will argue with that.. but i don't think that admu is next to UP because dlsu has level 4 in PAASCU and did better in the world rankings as compared to admu...


animo green
animo red

[ken_cichla]

just one question... why the hell are the UAAP schools even being involved in this? also let us not generalize.. i find it offensive na sabihin "taga Lasalle kasi", "taga Beda kasi" etc... the opinion/actions of one person does not mean that it is the same for the whole group. Guys I am both red and green, so please keep the arguments within the topic. Nakakainit ng ulo kasi banat ng iba dito.

[DonLabaro]

Another Sports analysts/columnists throws a BOMB against the NCAA Mancom, heads up for Quinito Henson.

Shooting itself in the foot
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
There is a clear failure to communicate within the NCAA hierarchy in the case involving San Beda College star Yousif Aljamal, last year’s Finals MVP.

Instead of closing ranks in the wake of a scandalous point-shaving scheme uncovered by police authorities, the NCAA has chosen to shoot itself in the foot by trying to gun down one of its role models.

Last Tuesday, the NCAA Management Committee issued a memorandum suspending Aljamal the day before the Red Lions were to face Jose Rizal University. Curiously, the memorandum was dated two weeks earlier.

The delayed issuance gave San Beda officials no time to appeal the decision before the Committee, forcing a move to go to the courts for a stay. On the day of the game, Judge Reynaldo Ros of Branch 33 of the Manila Regional Trial Court authorized a 72-hour temporary restraining order to allow Aljamal to suit up.

Showing no demoralization despite the attempt to barnacle him, Aljamal fired 23 points to power San Beda to an 82-74 win over the Heavy Bombers. The game, however, was marred by a series of flagrant fouls, temper blow-ups and a near fistfight involving the opposing coaches. Surely, the attempt to shackle Aljamal had a lot to do with turning the game into a powder-keg situation. The Committee can only be blamed for that volcanic eruption.
San Beda officials later secured a 20-day extension of the TRO, putting the NCAA in an embarrassing bind.

The sordid affair could’ve been prevented if only the Committee discussed the matter transparently with the intention of finding a positive solution to a prospective problem. From the looks of things, the hatchet job was a conspiracy to gang up on the league’s No. 1 team.

It’s never a good policy to question the administration or authority of a sports league in the courts. The spirit of sportsmanship is lost when an athlete seeks redress beyond the confines of his sport for an apparent injustice that is sports-related. But what is an athlete to do if he is unfairly treated by those who control his sport?

The Committee swooped down on Aljamal for participating in a three-day PBA rookie camp preparatory to the pro draft. The Committee said Aljamal never sought permission to play in the camp and slapped the suspension because of the apparent snub.

The Committee initially barred Aljamal from playing for the rest of the season but the NCAA Policy Board was more tolerant, deciding to freeze him only up to the end of the eliminations.

If Aljamal was really guilty of violating a league rule, why did the Policy Board relax the penalty earlier imposed by the Committee? What prompted the Committee to suspend Aljamal in the first place? A snub? An oversight? Where is the consistency of decision-making in the NCAA leadership?

Aljamal’s application for the PBA draft was well-known and publicized for weeks before the Committee issued the suspension. If all the Committee wanted was for Aljamal to seek permission, why didn’t it inform San Beda beforehand? Why was the memorandum dated Aug. 8 or 11 days before the draft? Was there a plot to disenfranchise Aljamal from the start?

San Beda officials claim no permission was needed for Aljamal to participate in the rookie camp because it wasn’t a tournament. Surely, if the NCAA’s rules were clear, there would be no misinterpretation. And since the rules were obviously unclear, shouldn’t there have been prior consultation or discussion before issuing a decision based on a hazy premise?

It’s as if the NCAA had no more serious problems to tackle. The point-shaving scandal certainly put to doubt the integrity of the season and rather than clean up its act, the NCAA chose to disbar one of its star players in a move that smacks of bad faith and poor sportsmanship. What message is the NCAA delivering to the students of the schools that make up the league?

Then, there was talk that the season might be scrapped as a way for the Committee to express its displeasure on the court’s invasion of its turf. Fortunately, the talk proved to be a baseless rumor. It wouldn’t have just been shooting itself in the foot but the Committee would’ve shot itself in the head if it decided to scrap the season.

Clamping down on a powerhouse school is nothing new. In the UAAP, La Salle was slapped a one-year suspension in all sports after it voluntarily informed the league of eligibility violations in its senior basketball program. The violations involved two relatively inconsequential players and in a show of sincerity, La Salle offered to surrender the championship trophy the Archers won with the ineligible cagers in the lineup.

Instead of using La Salle as an example, the UAAP chose to suspend the school not just in basketball but in all other sports. Even the high school athletes weren’t spared. Athletes who had nothing to do with the eligibility issue were penalized unfairly. The decision wasn’t only severe but abusive and apparently, spiteful.

If other schools were to uncover similar violations in the future, none would ever come out in the open to volunteer the information because of the risk of being chastised for honesty.

The UAAP and NCAA are supposed to be bastions of sportsmanship. School officials are expected to lead by example. But from recent developments, neither league has reason to be proud. Politics, partisanship and crab mentality are so prevalent in shaping decisions that are so uncharacteristic of Christian educators who make up the leadership in the school leagues.

Looks like its not only San Beda throwing bombs against JRU.. ahem... I mean MANCOM... anyway, keep em comming, BOMBS AWAY!!!

[AMO ni stone]

sino siya Diyos ba siya para humusga!!!
SURE KA BA WALANG BAYAD IYAN???:D
sa dami ng pera nyo kaya nyong bilhin kahit sino.

saka may class ka nga!!! kitang kita sapagsasalita mo!! :D
mas baboy ka pa sa pinaka-baboy!!!! diba indian baboy!!


nasa court na ang case ni aljamal
kapag natalo at humingi ng sorry ang MANCOM sa kanya at sa beda
i will do the same for all the beda people here in PEX's

pero kapag may nangbaboy pa sa JRU...
i can always give you what you want!!!

TOUCH ME NOT!!!!!


HOY MANAHIMIK KA NALANG PUT@ AT PAGSERBISYOHAN ANG MGA HAPON. ANG GALING MO MAGSALITA NA BINAYARAN NG SAN BEDA SI NATHANIELSZ, SINO KAYA NAGPAPABAYAD SAINYONG DALAWA? KATAWAN MO MAY PRESYO EH. PURI MO EASY ACCESS NG MAY PERA. P3KP3K MO FOR RENT!

BAYARAN KA LANG
HINDI MAHALAGA ANG OPINION NG ISANG BAYARAN

[daynewaynemeyn]

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Symbolo ba ANG pag gawa nito ng pagka DESPERADO?!:hmm:

whoever made this to the coach of JRU pefectly matches the TRUE CHARACTER OF A BEDAN. SHAME ON YOU The true "bedan" is a person who shouts vindictive words and makes dirty finger signs during the tournament. This reflects the true kind of attitude how YOU BEDANS are. WHy don't you look at YOUR OWN COACH??? Have you heard of "duty entrusted by God"?!?! Sa mga low iq, KARMA.

Why don't you just follow Caloy Loyzaga?He's an epitome of a true bedan.

Napaligiran din pa naman kayo ng mga pari. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

MATAKOT NA KAYO.

Book of Proverbs:

"God, the righteous one, knows what goes in the homes of the wicked, and He will bring the wicked down to ruin."

"Don't take advantage of the poor just because you can; don't take advantage of the helpless. The Lord will argue their case for them and threaten the life of anyone who threatens theirs"

[MonL]

Where are the moderators?!?:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

[red_eagle]

haha! kaso panu yan? eh bawal humawak ng basketball? haha! :rotflmao:


telekinesis:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: oops...check muna natin kay atayde kung pwede to kasi baka sabihin nya, pati yung pag-imagine na naglalaro ka classified din as a "GAME". :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[thepacifier]

daynewademeyn >> i was also disgusted upon seeing that poster of Coach ariel,i'm sure the one who made this is just one of those rotten eggs who dont really represent the alma mater of san beda. i beg my colleagues to please stop this kind of UNCHRISTIAN behaviour. TIGILAN NYO NA ITONG KABALBALANG GINAGAWA NINYO. NADADAMAY NINYO NA ANG LAHAT NG MGA TAGA-SAN BEDA.

If you continue doing this, you better IDENTIFY YOURSELF so that we'll know who those rotten eggs are in our surroundings.

[toti mendiola]

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Symbolo ba ANG pag gawa nito ng pagka DESPERADO?!:hmm:

whoever made this to the coach of JRU pefectly matches the TRUE CHARACTER OF A BEDAN. SHAME ON YOU The true "bedan" is a person who shouts vindictive words and makes dirty finger signs during the tournament. This reflects the true kind of attitude how YOU BEDANS are. WHy don't you look at YOUR OWN COACH??? Have you heard of "duty entrusted by God"?!?! Sa mga low iq, KARMA.

Why don't you just follow Caloy Loyzaga?He's an epitome of a true bedan.

Napaligiran din pa naman kayo ng mga pari. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

MATAKOT NA KAYO.

Book of Proverbs:

"God, the righteous one, knows what goes in the homes of the wicked, and He will bring the wicked down to ruin."

"Don't take advantage of the poor just because you can; don't take advantage of the helpless. The Lord will argue their case for them and threaten the life of anyone who threatens theirs"

Ang hirap kasi naman sa hirit na ganito eh kung kailan malaki na ang apoy tsaka ka maghihihirit ng ganito. Sana nung una pa lang eh nag protesta ka na. Para kang yung pulis sa pelikula na sa huli na dumarating. kung kailan patapos na. Of course it is dissapointing to see my Bedan brothers post their comments against similar hateful tirades against us Bedans and SBC but it is more dissapointing to read posts such as yours. Sino ang righteous ngayon? oh di ba nagpakarighteous ka din... nag quote ka pa sa bible para me religious basis ka pare maging authoritative ang dating mo. Please spare us your lecture. jeeeez. epal:angry:

[toti mendiola]

daynewademeyn >> i was also disgusted upon seeing that poster of Coach ariel,i'm sure the one who made this is just one of those rotten eggs who dont really represent the alma mater of san beda. i beg my colleagues to please stop this kind of UNCHRISTIAN behaviour. TIGILAN NYO NA ITONG KABALBALANG GINAGAWA NINYO. NADADAMAY NINYO NA ANG LAHAT NG MGA TAGA-SAN BEDA.

If you continue doing this, you better IDENTIFY YOURSELF so that we'll know who those rotten eggs are in our surroundings.

If you were disgusted you should have sent a PM to the bedan brother who posted AV's bastardized hoglike pic and let him knew your dissapointment rather than expressing your sentiments here and go symphatizing with a non-bedan.

of course its just me.;)

[rhk111]

He-he-he ..... fighting Trolls w/ Trolls ..... I like it .....

[toti mendiola]

whom do you refer to?

[umpa_umpa]

I was just reading the posts and I do not have any intention to butt in because there are already a lot of comments regarding the matter. However, I cannot help but get irritated with blue&green's post regarding the lawyers he or she consulted, mentioning that they are from UP, trial lawyers for decades, etc. etc.

So what if the lawyers you consulted are from UP? I would not argue that UP is really a good school. If I may just point out, Ateneo and San Beda are the top two law schools in the country, UP only ranking 4th or 5th, with Ateneo de Davao closing in after San Beda. You think Bedan lawyers do not know what a TRO is? Don't stress on you UP lawyer sister or whoever. The point is you and your understanding. Well, you are indeed from La Salle.

The people from JRU must really be happy having an ally from La Salle.

[daynewaynemeyn]

If you were disgusted you should have sent a PM to the bedan brother who posted AV's bastardized hoglike pic and let him knew your dissapointment rather than expressing your sentiments here and go symphatizing with a non-bedan.

of course its just me.;)

why toti_mendiola, are you ashamed of the TRUTH coming out?! What's the use of sending the message in "PRIVATE" when your fellow 'brother'
can already notice the TRUE NASTY CHARACTER of your 'brotherhood' beda.

with the news coming out that san beda GAVE UP ITS PROTEST and LETTING JAMAL SEAT IN THEIR 2 remaining games shows kung gaano
kayo kahina!!!! PURO MGA SALITA!!!! PURO MGA YABANG, wala rin naman palang patutunguhan!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahaaahhahah!!!!!!!!!!!ngayon, sino ang kawawa???? ahhhhhhmmmmm............ nakuuuu....
can i smell KARMA coming your way? awwwoooo!!!!!!

[daynewaynemeyn]

btw, toti_mendiola, are you the last one to know? i'm a cop indeed... prrrrrtt!!! :lol: :lol: WAAAAAAAHAHAHA!!!! :lol:

[fattybearyus]

I was just reading the posts and I do not have any intention to butt in because there are already a lot of comments regarding the matter. However, I cannot help but get irritated with blue&green's post regarding the lawyers he or she consulted, mentioning that they are from UP, trial lawyers for decades, etc. etc.

So what if the lawyers you consulted are from UP? I would not argue that UP is really a good school. If I may just point out, Ateneo and San Beda are the top two law schools in the country, UP only ranking 4th or 5th, with Ateneo de Davao closing in after San Beda. You think Bedan lawyers do not know what a TRO is? Don't stress on you UP lawyer sister or whoever. The point is you and your understanding. Well, you are indeed from La Salle.

The people from JRU must really be happy having an ally from La Salle.

Correction. ADMU, San Beda and UP have consistently posted a 1-2-3 ranking in the bar exams. Ateneo de Davao is really far behind UP.

[boozer]

^ bayaan nyo na makisali si daynewaynemeyn. di kase pinapansin eskwelahan nya.

awwwoooo? laos na yan boi. halatang halata kung saan ka galing.

[shaqmonster]

Facts:

NCAA admits that Aljamal did not violate any rules hence, there will be no suspension. Aljamal will be eligible to receive any individual award.

As a sign of goodwill, San Beda will voluntarily sit Aljamal for the next 2 games (partida na lang daw sa mga kalaban).

Kahit saan anggulo mo tingnan, panalo ang San Beda. If the NCAA is really convinced that it is right, then it should have insisted on the all-season suspension, which they later reduced to a 3-game suspension and finally, they now admit that there is no violation.

:naughty:

[daynewaynemeyn]

boozer: dude, i'm not even in school anymore. baka bilhin pa kita!! magkano ka?! :lol:

NAH... "goodwill" my a$$!! why dont you just accept, TALO KAYO JAN! Kawawa naman kayo... can i hear karma knocking right on your doorstep? ahmmmm. :lol:

[fattybearyus]

It's really simple. Since there is so much confusion and disagreement regarding the rules, then we should let the court decide. (PERIOD)

No need for bickering. If it's sports, let's play it in a court where it is played. If it's justice, then the court of law should be the place.

[fattybearyus]

Facts:

NCAA admits that Aljamal did not violate any rules hence, there will be no suspension. Aljamal will be eligible to receive any individual award.

As a sign of goodwill, San Beda will voluntarily sit Aljamal for the next 2 games (partida na lang daw sa mga kalaban).

Kahit saan anggulo mo tingnan, panalo ang San Beda. If the NCAA is really convinced that it is right, then it should have insisted on the all-season suspension, which they later reduced to a 3-game suspension and finally, they now admit that there is no violation.

:naughty:

really? I don't agree with our school's decision.

The MANCOM should make a public apology.

[whitedblued]

[QUOTE=antoine666;21318040]
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Symbolo ba ANG pag gawa nito ng pagka DESPERADO?!:hmm:

whoever made this to the coach of JRU pefectly matches the TRUE CHARACTER OF A BEDAN. SHAME ON YOU The true "bedan" is a person who shouts vindictive words and makes dirty finger signs during the tournament. This reflects the true kind of attitude how YOU BEDANS are. WHy don't you look at YOUR OWN COACH??? Have you heard of "duty entrusted by God"?!?! Sa mga low iq, KARMA.

Why don't you just follow Caloy Loyzaga?He's an epitome of a true bedan.

Napaligiran din pa naman kayo ng mga pari. :eek: :eek:

MATAKOT NA KAYO.

Book of Proverbs:

"God, the righteous one, knows what goes in the homes of the wicked, and He will bring the wicked down to ruin."

"Don't take advantage of the poor just because you can; don't take advantage of the helpless. The Lord will argue their case for them and threaten the life of anyone who threatens theirs"

pare, nice quotes... mukhang nagkakatotoo na ah!!!! :bop:

pano ba yan mga bedista? nalubog na kayabangan nyo? pudpurin nyo muna sapatos ni frankie lim *okay* :rotflmao:

[boozer]

boozer: dude, i'm not even in school anymore. baka bilhin pa kita!! magkano ka?! :lol:

NAH... "goodwill" my a$$!! why dont you just accept, TALO KAYO JAN! Kawawa naman kayo... can i hear karma knocking right on your doorstep? ahmmmm. :lol:

Just the type of reply I'm expecting from a person like you. I even believe outside this forum (in the real world if you don't understand), you're just one of those loner freaks hanging out at some cheap mall.

Hope you had a good life during your younger years. Seems to me you're the type that are mugged by bullies in school. A "pa-cool" nerd I guess.

You're antics only display what type of person you are. Oh well, what else is new. I'm in PEX

[whitedblued]

^ hahaha right back at ya! "I'm in PEX" - who's the loser now??? Hanggang PEX ka lang pala eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

you sound like you just came out from mendiola.. :lol: so magkano ka nga sagutin mo tanong ni dayne, ano siguro dapat sayo join the rally pare together with your loser bedans... accept it, LOSERS!!!!!!!!! hahahahahah :lol:

[toti mendiola]

why toti_mendiola, are you ashamed of the TRUTH coming out?! What's the use of sending the message in "PRIVATE" when your fellow 'brother'
can already notice the TRUE NASTY CHARACTER of your 'brotherhood' beda.

with the news coming out that san beda GAVE UP ITS PROTEST and LETTING JAMAL SEAT IN THEIR 2 remaining games shows kung gaano
kayo kahina!!!! PURO MGA SALITA!!!! PURO MGA YABANG, wala rin naman palang patutunguhan!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahaaahhahah!!!!!!!!!!!ngayon, sino ang kawawa???? ahhhhhhmmmmm............ nakuuuu....
can i smell KARMA coming your way? awwwoooo!!!!!!

"God, the righteous one, knows what goes in the homes of the wicked, and He will bring the wicked down to ruin."


Ashamed of the truth coming out?

Hanggang ganyang lang ang kaya mong pang asar?
Wala pala ito eh.
Kahit Bedan Grade Schooler hindi ka mananalo sa asaran eh.

No maaaatch!

[whitedblued]

^ so, answer dayne's question... are you ASHAMED nga ba for the TRUTH TO COME OUT?? :lol: no match talaga... dahil hanggang forum lang kayo.

tsssk, how pathetic, 'asaran' - the term, napaka immature! :lol:

go daynewaynemen!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[liontamer]

^ so, answer dayne's question... are you ASHAMED nga ba for the TRUTH TO COME OUT?? :lol: no match talaga... dahil hanggang forum lang kayo.

tsssk, how pathetic, 'asaran' - the term, napaka immature! :lol:

go daynewaynemen!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Aljamal is not only sitting out the last 2 games as an act of goodwill but also as punishment for him not asking permission to pose for Chalk Magazine in the preseason. Bale, sinagot na lang ni Aljamal sina Pong and Garvo, mga hindi rin kasi daw nagpaalam.

Quits lang daw, MANCOM naman admits that it went overboard with its decision to ban and afterwards to suspend. Oh and BTW, it has been established with finality that the PBA rookie camp is not a tournament and that there is no need to ask for permission to join the PBA draft.

[attyatlast]

boozer: dude, i'm not even in school :lol:


OO, out of school youth ka na....May internet na pala sa Boy's Town???? Dito pa la napupunta yung taxes namin.

[boozer]

^ hahaha right back at ya! "I'm in PEX" - who's the loser now??? Hanggang PEX ka lang pala eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

you sound like you just came out from mendiola.. :lol: so magkano ka nga sagutin mo tanong ni dayne, ano siguro dapat sayo join the rally pare together with your loser bedans... accept it, LOSERS!!!!!!!!! hahahahahah :lol:

Huh? :confused:

And you sound like a person who just had his/her internet prepaid reloaded. :lol:

Post away. No one's stopping you. We need people like you here.

[mighty_lion]

troll alert... troll alert...

me prepaid broadband na *** ngayon.. hehe

[rhk111]

'O, asan na ang mga Troll ng Beda? AAATTTAAACCCKKK .....'

[antoine666]

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Napaligiran din pa naman kayo ng mga pari. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

MATAKOT NA KAYO.

Book of Proverbs:

"God, the righteous one, knows what goes in the homes of the wicked, and He will bring the wicked down to ruin."

"Don't take advantage of the poor just because you can; don't take advantage of the helpless. The Lord will argue their case for them and threaten the life of anyone who threatens theirs"


yeah, yeah.. magpastor ka nalang kung puro lecture lang ang gagawin mo dito. whatever i do with this scumbag does not concern you that is if you're his, i mean her slave in bed? :)

[ZzzzzzzZZZ0909]

Yung moderator ba dito si kuya danny?
Kung siya nandun siya sa UAAP forums tinititigan mga picture ng court side reporters.. Nangangarap

[blue&green]

I was just reading the posts and I do not have any intention to butt in because there are already a lot of comments regarding the matter. However, I cannot help but get irritated with blue&green's post regarding the lawyers he or she consulted, mentioning that they are from UP, trial lawyers for decades, etc. etc.

So what if the lawyers you consulted are from UP? I would not argue that UP is really a good school. If I may just point out, Ateneo and San Beda are the top two law schools in the country, UP only ranking 4th or 5th, with Ateneo de Davao closing in after San Beda. You think Bedan lawyers do not know what a TRO is? Don't stress on you UP lawyer sister or whoever. The point is you and your understanding. Well, you are indeed from La Salle.

The people from JRU must really be happy having an ally from La Salle.

the top two law schools in the country are UP and Ateneo. it just happened that i personally know the dean of ateneo law and some students there are my friends and they unanimously said that the title for the best school in law is being contested by ateneo and UP. as a proof of this, UP students are the only ones that are being allowed to actually handle a case even though they are not lawyers yet. AND, AS FAR AS I KNOW, only Ateneo and UP graduates, provided that they pass the bar exams here, are the only ones that are allowed to practice law in some states in the US without even taking the bar exams there. and besides, UP has always been in the top ten list. just look in the last bar exams results where the top ten is dominated by UP and Ateneo, and no Bedan was present in the top 10. and the same could be said in the 2005 bar exams where UP and Ateneo clearly dominated the same list and again, no Bedan was in the list. from 1946 to 2006, UP produced 26 top 1 and ateneo 17 top 1 placers and SBC came only in third with 6 top 1s. with regards to the top ten placers, UP produced 205, Ateneo with 186, and SBC is far behind with only 76. from 1991-2006, ateneo produced 61 top ten placers with UP not behind with 55 and SBC with only 24. the only category that SBC took over UP is the passing percentage in the period 1991-2005 where ateneo ranked number one and SBC second and UP not far behind in 3rd. so if you will look at the statistics and purely base statements on bar exam results, statistics will say that ateneo and UP produce the best and the brightest students in the field of law. maybe SBC will help you pass, but AdMU and UP will help you land in the top 10 and hence, a better job. and besides, just to add, we all know that if you come from ateneo and up law and/or good undergrad programs and dlsu undergrad programs, it is almost certain that you will land a job. sbc is a good school, don't get me wrong, i just believe that UP and Ateneo are the best schools when it comes to law and, when we talk about the best schools in the country, UP is the one to beat followed by AdMU and DLSU.

and i am sorry to tell you, i come from dlsu but i studied in admu in HS. i guess JRU has allies in 2 of the 3 top universities in the country huh? I'm not an ally of any school. I side with the party that is correct, in my opinion, and go against the party who is wrong.

[attyatlast]

^^ How come KOKO PIMENTEL, a UP law grad and a top notcher , hired 2 BEDAN LAWYERS for his election protest???

[blue&green]

^^ How come KOKO PIMENTEL, a UP law grad and a top notcher , hired 2 BEDAN LAWYERS for his election protest???

it is unlikely that a party would represent himself first and foremost. pangalawa, maybe they were his friends. pangatlo, maybe they were good election lawyers. pang apat, we all know that UP and Ateneo lawyers are the most touted lawyers in this country. sobrang highly regarded. pang lima, i think that you are making a generalization. you pointed out one case and i showed you statistics. mas maganda ata kung we base our statements on statistics such as the bar exams.

[souljah_boy]

oh brother...Another thread that got out of hand. Tsk tsk tsk...:rolleyes:

[attyatlast]

it is unlikely that a party would represent himself first and foremost. pangalawa, maybe they were his friends. pangatlo, maybe they were good election lawyers. pang apat, we all know that UP and Ateneo lawyers are the most touted lawyers in this country. sobrang highly regarded. pang lima, i think that you are making a generalization. you pointed out one case and i showed you statistics. mas maganda ata kung we base our statements on statistics such as the bar exams.

oo nga parang Out of topic na to...Balik na lang tayo sa NCAA...Ikaw, i guess , sa uaap...

[ZzzzzzzZZZ0909]

Ignore that blue&green. he is just another typical ignorant lasallian.

[blue&green]

Ignore that blue&green. he is just another typical ignorant lasallian.

nagsalita ang di ignorante. :rotflmao:

[attyatlast]

Another issue will come out after the SBC - letran game.And I guess sports gurus will have a field day making their opinions left and right regarding the future of NCAA...Is lang ang masasabi ko....and I've said this before............Its SAN BEDA VS. NCAA...Kasi yung success ng SBC has made every school in the NCAA jealous of the current resurgence of perhaps the only glamorous( may sound ambitious if not arrogant to non- bedans) school in the NCAA....POGI ulit kami pag dating sa Basketballl hehehe, natural may maiingit....dog eat dog world ika nga.....