Culture Crash

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

...that little manga magazine that you'll spot in Filbar's and other such comics shops. we have here 4 separate comics drawn in japanese manga style. OK, so what's so different about it?


...it's FILIPINO-MADE!!!!


And personally I like it more thanks to this detail than any other.


wht do you guys think of it?

[maranina]

Manga is kewl!!! I really like watching anime series. Gusto ko lang yung mga tipong ghost fighter, samurai X... basta lahat ng mga action.

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Pero kung ako sa yo, mag CS ka nalang :)
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[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

Alu Chris!

alin, yung "Bubbleum Crisis"? yup nakita ko na. '*** ah, bat mo pinapanood, ha?! <evil grin>

meanwhile, can you say OFF TOPIC?!?!??! pinag-uusapan ko yung bagong labas na komiks na tinatawag na CULTURE CRASH!!!

ps ano e-mail mo?

[maranina]

/*Alu Chris!

alin, yung "Bubbleum Crisis"? yup nakita ko na. '*** ah, bat mo pinapanood, ha?! <evil grin>

meanwhile, can you say OFF TOPIC?!?!??! pinag-uusapan ko yung bagong labas na komiks na tinatawag na CULTURE CRASH!!!

ps ano e-mail mo?
*/

Angas mo choy!!! Ano? Stay of topic stay off topic ka pa diyan. KYupal ka!!! Ano?!?

Wala akong paki kung CULTURE CRASH ang pinag-uusapan mo dito. Basta't tandaan mo na COUNTER-STRIKE RULLLZZZ!!! Basta't tandaan mo na NILALAMPASO LANG KITA SA STARCRAFT noong uso pa ito.

Grabe Choy, POOTONGEENA!!! Semi-Finals lang kami sa tournament!!! Oh SHEEETTT!!! Kumusta na ba studies sa U.P? Dami bang chicks? Block section ba kayo? Kung gusto mo ako i-email, tingnan mo na lang ang aking webpage. Nakita mo na ba? Pwede ka rin mag post sa message board nito. Walang password password and all that crap.

Gusto mo ng ibang message board?
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[Guhit]

I think it's commendable that the Culture Crash guys have been able to produce a comic that a lot of people like. Pero PILIPINO tayo. Bakit kailangang gayahin natin ang estilo ng iba? Kahit magtagalog pa yan, o sumakay man sa jeep yan, sa itsura niya, HAPON pa rin siya. Para sa akin, nakakainsulto. Bakit hindi sila magdevelop ng style ng sarili nila? OO nga ang galing...pero tingnan mo. GAYA GAYA lang sila. Have some pride in being Filipino and draw in a style that is your own, not a sytle popularized by another culture.

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

hmm...lessee...after WWII, Japan was completely defeated; they prettl much lost everything. they resolved to recover; they borrowed a LOT of ideas from many other countries, in particular the US and Europe. however, they did not stop there. they may have merely borrowed the ideas, but they IMPROVED on those ideas, eventually making them better than where they originally came from. To the point that now Japan is the one being borrowed from by the US and Europe.

It just so happens one of these things is animation. it is reported that japan started cartooning, big eyes and all that, because of the influence of disney. BUT they improved on it; eventually, it became the Anime that everyone in the world knows, loves, and is influenced by. (Dexter's Lab SCREAMS anime spoof-offs!)

Pinoys, on the other hand, copy. and copy and copy, and copy some more...(don't ya just love Greenhills, the home of the 8-bit Playstation?)

in my opinion, Culture Crash is not just a mere "gaya gaya"; it is the first step in that same evolutionary process that spawned Anime. Given a little more time and support, this mix of pinoy and borrowed cultures (kaya nga Culture Crash, eh!) will soon evolve into something recognizable (in a POSITIVE light, may I add) as something from the Philippines. Hell, Rome was not made in a day, and neither was japAnime; ya think it'd be that easy for philAnime to appear?

"tsaka mas maganda't matino naman ito sa mga pinoy na komiks sa tianggian, di ba?"

[maranina]

Hoy choy!

Do you remember me?
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Grabe!!! Patay na patay sya sa 'kin!!! :inluv:

[shazlene]

personally i don't like culture crash.. it just presents an idea to me that filipinos like to copy other countries' art.. and the storyline-- :eek:
i'd appreciate it a lot if they didn't copy the japanese way of drawing sutff..
anyway it's just my opinion so nobody should feel so affected :)

[Cookie_Mobster]

masyado nga gayagaya cc ka2lad ng drawings nila sa oneday isang diwa *** bidang babae kamukha ni misato kamukha niaman ni jinda *** sa cat's trail

[shazlene]

yeah.. i really think they copied it.. it really looked like a pathetic copy of misato, but then again its my opinion.. :)

[Quentin]

don't be afraid to voice out your opinions shazlene. be firm about it!

i for one only see it as the same manga with just the words 'Philippines' in it. it is still not 'ours' so to speak. however, it's appeal comes mainly from the fact that the art is excellent in itself, made by obviously talented people.

Cat's Trail is most like those medieval animes like Slayers ...
Solstice Butterfly, a classic example of the mecha genre ... much like those female heroine types
Pasig (sumtin) ... it's P on the forehead for you, and that's about it.
One Day Isang Diwa ... hmmm ... one of those school-magical-fantastical themes

anyway, i'm sure they can't really make anything original really, because the japanese counterparts have almost exhausted up all the themes and genres (list it all down and there you have it) ... so there's not much left to tap.

but then i wish these guys use their creativity to make something really original. if their aim is to reflect the Filipino culture, they should really AIM in doing something with tangible character that can, on the most part, relate to a Filipino audience. but if their aim is to just make those for fun, well, no say about that. fun is fun. that's pretty universal in itself.

however ... what will interest me is that it could EVOLVE into something distinctly our own however ... (ever seen a Chinese anime?) ... which will most likely happen.

but let's hope we could fix our country first. and we need heroes in REAL life first.

[maranina]

Originally posted by Quentin

anyway, i'm sure they can't really make anything original really, because the japanese counterparts have almost exhausted up all the themes and genres (list it all down and there you have it) ... so there's not much left to tap.


Quentin, kung gusto mo ng ORIGINAL na PILIPINO GUMAWA baka u might find this interesting...

Pasensya ka na kung parang off-topic ako dito (Culture Crash dapat pag-usapan dito diba?) Pero try mo lang i-check ang COMICS SECTION ng clan webpage namin sa Counter-Strike...

eto url.... http://come.to/PaPPPa

[shazlene]

Originally posted by Quentin
don't be afraid to voice out your opinions shazlene. be firm about it!

yeah okay.. anyway i just wanted to make it clear that it was my opinion.. coz usually when i post something, somebody reacts and makes a big deal out of it.. so this time i'm making it really clear that its just my opinion so nobody's supposed to be insulted or something :)

[emeraude_hime]

i know a lot of u ppl are actually adverse to the fact that CCCom is a "copycat" of japanese manga. what i want to comment about is nothing close to those stuff, coz what i think is essential here is that the creators of CCCom appreciate anime as an art, that's why they're making a filipino-made manga. anime/manga is already proliferated by japan amd it's rather hard to make an authentic filipino manga/anime.

i really like CCCom. even if the art is kinda japanese-looking, but the humor and twist is definitely filipino. it's hard to explain kung bakit hindi na lang sila gumawa ng sarili nilang style. ala lang...i think sobrang appreciated lang ang japanese art kaya ganun. wala naman sigurong copyright ang style na yan, diba?

i don't know about u guys but i'm proud of these 4 ppl who took a lot of risk in making this manga. let's show some appreciation for these young talents. :):)

p.s. LOVE AND PEACE!!!!

[Quentin]

aling humor don ang definitely Filipino? how do you discern jap humor from fil humor?

filipino manga ... heck ... even the word manga is not even filipino. but i guess there are just things that we have to copy huh? we just can't make anything that is truly our own, yet has appeal that far outshines the usual Captain Barbel and Darna right? kase we are sooo attracted to the glimmer of a better art, kaya we have this.

you can make me appreciate them if their art has enough appeal to spread to a sizeable chunk of a reading audience. but for now, to me they're just guns, magic, and big, big eyes.

[emeraude_hime]

no need for sarcasm. i'm just saying my piece coz i really don't think of them as mere copycats. we have different opinions, and i do respect urs. btw, contrary to ur knowledge, there are a lot of ppl reading culture crash.

jap humor can be seen in their culture. di pa ako masyado familiar sa culture nila, pero there are some things that sets us apart from them. take hentai for example. they make some jokes out of it coz its part of their culture that japanese are sexually repressed ppl. lalo na ang women. and u know most anime creators are women. that's what i know.

again, love and peace O.O

[Quentin]

can you tell me how much is the availability of Culture Crash in stores?
if so, how much is it exposed? is it just limited to malls or what?
remember, i am thinking of a sizable chunk of a reading audience. if you say many, then can you tell me that 7 out of 10 of 16-21 year-old people are reading the stuff. now tell me, is that true?

and yes, the japs tend to the ... uh ... naughty side of things. an example of an all-woman team of anime/manga artists is Clamp -- makers of Magic Knight Rayearth. from which your name handle is based on the doomed monarch in that series i suppose.

:devil:

[Quentin]

Originally posted by maranina

Quentin, kung gusto mo ng ORIGINAL na PILIPINO GUMAWA baka u might find this interesting...

Pasensya ka na kung parang off-topic ako dito (Culture Crash dapat pag-usapan dito diba?) Pero try mo lang i-check ang COMICS SECTION ng clan webpage namin sa Counter-Strike...

eto url.... http://come.to/PaPPPa

isang clan ng CounterStrike at manga na gawa ng pinoy. may hilig yung gumawa, pero ang gusto kong makita eh yung maayos-ayos naman.

[maranina]

Originally posted by Quentin
isang clan ng CounterStrike at manga na gawa ng pinoy. may hilig yung gumawa, pero ang gusto kong makita eh yung maayos-ayos naman.


uhhh... sorry po... hanggang CS lang po kase kame... pero... sexy pa rin si kaila ah... :lol:

[P@pPa] stick 2gether tayo ah!!! :)

[Quentin]

barilin na lang kaya kita ng AK-47 ? lolz

:devil:

[pinktikbalang]

Originally posted by tinamaan_ng_kidlat
It just so happens one of these things is animation. it is reported that japan started cartooning, big eyes and all that, because of the influence of disney. BUT they improved on it; eventually, it became the Anime that everyone in the world knows, loves, and is influenced by. (Dexter's Lab SCREAMS anime spoof-offs!)
Pinoys, on the other hand, copy. and copy and copy, and copy some more...(don't ya just love Greenhills, the home of the 8-bit Playstation?)
in my opinion, Culture Crash is not just a mere "gaya gaya"; it is the first step in that same evolutionary process that spawned Anime. Given a little more time and support, this mix of pinoy and borrowed cultures (kaya nga Culture Crash, eh!) will soon evolve into something recognizable (in a POSITIVE light, may I add) as something from the Philippines. Hell, Rome was not made in a day, and neither was japAnime; ya think it'd be that easy for philAnime to appear?
"tsaka mas maganda't matino naman ito sa mga pinoy na komiks sa tianggian, di ba?"


i think you fail to acknowledge though that the philippines already has a rich comic book culture long before manga and anime started flooding our markets. those " komiks sa tianggian" you refer to are only remnants of a once glorious movement in our culture. you should at least give credit to them because these komiks brought life to our own legends such as darna, dyesebel, kenkoy and zuma. also artists who have worked on these same komiks have been acclaimed in the American comic book industry because of their skills and talents. maybe if you see that past works of redondo, alcala and nino, you will realize how much this generation is missing out on.

if you would remember that darna was also derived from dc comics' wonder woman, but in the end, no one gives a **** because she has indeed evolved into something truly our own. so, in other words, we make our own innovations. it is not fair for you to say that the Filipinos have done nothing else but copy, copy, copy because the japanese and the americans have copied each other as well and you have mentioned it yourself (i.e.dexter's lab, the disney influence on osamu tezuka and even the animation techniques of hanna-barbera, if i may add.) but you probably do not see that they have indeed copied each other because they, themselves, already infused their own cultures.

i have nothing against culture crash and in fact i am impressed with the idea that they are following the komiks format, using english as a medium and drawn manga-style. it is a mixture of all three influences. what i do complain about is how derivative it is of manga -- the look, the humor, the story. it does not have that distinct filipino characteristic.

ok, it takes time you say. but why can't we just pick up from where we left off?

[maranina]

Originally posted by Quentin
barilin na lang kaya kita ng AK-47 ? lolz

:devil:

kung kaya mo... DULING ka naman ***** tsaka CAMPER ka lang yata magaling eh!!!

gusto mo, i-headshot kita ng GLOCK?!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ^_^ :lol:

stick 2gether muna tayo ah... PEACE!!!

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[twisted_hate]

Culture Crash is one of the best made filipino 'zines, unlike yung mga ibang mini Zines na pang PS na tinuturuan lang madaya ang mga manlalaro. Proud din ako sa kanila dahil hindi naman nila nililink ang work nila sa GMA(as I know).

HOWEVER>>>>>
If you are an Otaku, you would notice than there are a few Unoriginal concepts and character designs present in the mag. But for now, that's OK.

:devil::mad::grrr:

[Jæb]

guys, i severely insist
that you go read this (http://alanguilan.com/sanpablo/art1.html)

[shazlene]

i totally agree with what the author of that thing has to say.. :)

[Jæb]

Therefore, Filipino comic art is NOT manga. It is not anime. That is a style that is closely identified with the Japanese artists. What kind of identity would you have as a Filipino if you draw like them? Yes, you may achieve acclaim, you may achieve success, and may even become one of the most accomplished manga artists in Asia. I would be happy for your success, but to me, you are just another artist who draw just like the Japanese. Would you rather be known as an artist with his own unique style?

It is good that you have brought acclaim to our country, and that you've proven to them that you, and Filipinos as an extension, are talented. But at what cost? Is the only way to success is to be someone else? Are you willing to let other cultures think that you have no identity of your own?



dont think of me wrongly, culture
crash people, i really do admire
your efforts.

[Quentin]

Jæb: tumpak kosa.

i therefore conclude ... nood na lang tayo sa tibi.

[twisted_hate]

Therefore, Filipino comic art is NOT manga. It is not anime. That is a style that is closely identified with the Japanese artists. What kind of identity would you have as a Filipino if you draw like them? Yes, you may achieve acclaim, you may achieve success, and may even become one of the most accomplished manga artists in Asia. I would be happy for your success, but to me, you are just another artist who draw just like the Japanese. Would you rather be known as an artist with his own unique style?

It is good that you have brought acclaim to our country, and that you've proven to them that you, and Filipinos as an extension, are talented. But at what cost? Is the only way to success is to be someone else? Are you willing to let other cultures think that you have no identity of your own?


Let me get one thing clear: the jap term for cat is neko, the jap term for dog is inu, AND manga is simply japanese term for comic AND anime is the japanese term for cartoon. The word "anime" is only used in other countries because the genre that presents itself is of japanese origin.(example-Sinigang is to Hot and Sour Soup, but foreigners rather perfer the term Sinigang because it is the orginal name of the delicacy). Therefore, the true name of the Genre is Japanese Animation but to use the word anime is a 'sophistication' of sorts, so most people would rather use this term. I'm simply trying to correct here is that any cartoon can be called Anime-because of its literal meaning.

I still think that they are quite unoriginal based on character design. However, I cannot comment on the "Filipino : Filipino art,Japanese:Japanese animation". Why?

1. I've read some Tagalog comix(Kick fighter, immortal combat), Though some may have great design, it's Quite unoriginal and the stories suck. Others just suck.

2. Anime,(like I said earlier) has already established itself as an entirely new Genre. People in Culture crash, in my opinion, has only copied the art style, But then Again, Adam Warren of US has too. What makes genuine Jap animation?SIMPLE- It has to come from a jap ARTIST.

:devil::mad::grrr:

[shazlene]

that may be a fact but i still don't like the idea of copying from another country..

[Tanis_Half-Elf]

Manga is the Japanese term for comic. But anime is not originally Japanese, the word came from the French.

As for drawing anime-style, well, that's the kind of art I want to be proficient at for the moment. Does it make me any less of a Filipino or a human for that matter if that's the way I want to draw, someone without "identity"?

Anime has been my main influence for drawing, in fact it's what got me started drawing. Maybe one day I'll draw in my own style. But that'll be when I'm exceptionally good in my craft. As long as I can't stand on my own, I'll be holding on to something for support. I don't intend to be holding on forever.

[Quentin]

just put this in perspective:

a Japanese came to the Philippines and looked at a copy of Culture Crash. a reader beside him says, "It's Filipino Art ..."

what do you think will the Japanese say?

[Tanis_Half-Elf]

It's Filipino-made, not Filipino art.

[animated]

if i may ask, what is original filipino art, anyway? is it the cave paintings on the walls of the tabon cave? or are they stick figures that we find in our old notebooks? who is to say which form of art is the "original filipino art?" sure, it is obvious that the culture crash people copied the style of the japanese but why be so bothered by it?

has anyone heard of alamat comics? they were out there for quite some time before culture crash. did anyone cry out "FOUL!" and say that it is a copy of the "american style" comics? with all due repsect to the "filipino comic purists" out there, but isn't the language you are using also "copied." yes, this is a foreign langauge i am using. pero hindi ibig sabihin na gaya gaya ako. the japanese merely introduced another way of drawing people. heck, most of the things in this country are copied or borrowed from other countries. the Philippines is a melting pot of a lot of cultures. chinese, spanish, american, and yes, even japanese.

i guess, all i am saying is that we cannot really blame the artists at culture crash for "not being original." what is original in this world anyway?

[[hbw]insomnia]

original is something you create and claim as your own when you forget to cite the source. nothing is original. everything is influenced one way or another. distinct, meron, pero original? i don't think so.

[twisted_hate]

Originally posted by animated
if i may ask, what is original filipino art, anyway? is it the cave paintings on the walls of the tabon cave? or are they stick figures that we find in our old notebooks? who is to say which form of art is the "original filipino art?" sure, it is obvious that the culture crash people copied the style of the japanese but why be so bothered by it?

has anyone heard of alamat comics? they were out there for quite some time before culture crash. did anyone cry out "FOUL!" and say that it is a copy of the "american style" comics? with all due repsect to the "filipino comic purists" out there, but isn't the language you are using also "copied." yes, this is a foreign langauge i am using. pero hindi ibig sabihin na gaya gaya ako. the japanese merely introduced another way of drawing people. heck, most of the things in this country are copied or borrowed from other countries. the Philippines is a melting pot of a lot of cultures. chinese, spanish, american, and yes, even japanese.

i guess, all i am saying is that we cannot really blame the artists at culture crash for "not being original." what is original in this world anyway?



Nothing IS original in this world, but the least you can do is not to show an almost exact copy of something That is CURRENTLY a fad. Have you read Kick fighter Komiks when you were Kids? How about Funny Komiks? Now, I have compared the artwork back then to American made Comics, I saw the difference! Filipino made artwork(for comics,as I have observed) shows less color detail but shows more emotion than those of americans. For your research, fin the names Gilbert Monsanto,jay and Jim jimenez,Caesar Sto. Domingo and Berlin manalaysay. Now, we could have copied the art style of Japs if GMA7 didn't burst the Anime-Squatter thingie. Don't get me wrong. I love Anime but I Hate it when my countrymen degrade themselved by Copying DIRECTLY another's work.

:devil::mad::grrr::o:evilgrin:

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[Quentin]

ey, Joseph Ceasar Sto. Domingo makes great and neat drawings! however, do you know which American artist his works are like ?

anyway, all i'm hoping is for Culture Crash to evolve. to what? we may not know at the present.

[NGARs]

my two cents, why can't we just accept the fact that the guys at CCCom have succeeded where other "Filipino" artists have not as of now. I have nothing against these artists who got their way to the States and launched their comics there but for me it was created for the Americans(sorry, whilce, gerry, gilbert, and jay). I don't feel any connection to me and my history. however, it doesn't make them less of a Filipino. heck, i'm proud of these guys they took risks just like the guys at Culture Crash but my benchmark for a Filipino Comic to be truly Filipino, is the MYTHOLOGY CLASS by Arnold Arre.
we're witnessing an evolution of sorts. if we really are determined to continue(Filipino comics) where we left off, then let's do it. let's create our own (i'm excited). our comics industry is being revived and like or not, Culture Crash would play a role (big or not, only time will tell).
one doesn't have to despise the guys of Culture Crash. give them credit. one way at looking at it, it would create a competitive industry (for so long, i was hoping that it would come at this point) that would benefit the readers.
live and let live.

peace.

[Quentin]

i've seen that Mythology Class ... also, anyone see that Trip to Tagaytay posted in Comics Quest? that is, IMO, is being true to its roots. not eye-candy though.

[Emarinda]

well i've been an Anime/Manga Fan ever since Astroboy showed on TV and i have read and watched tons of Manga and Anime so i could say that i know a lot about them. I can say that not all anime/manga are good and some actually downright sucks.

When i first read CultureCrash it also went trough my mind that it was a cheap ripoff i looked at the drawings and could see similarities with other Anime/Manga. I really thought that Pasig was derived from Masamune Shirow's work and One Day Isang Diwa/ Cat's Trail was based on the art from YuYu Hakusho(Ghost Fighter for the non Otaku) but after reading it, it striked me as highly original and very intertaining (after being an Otaku for 9 years i'm a bit picky) and soon i was also collecting it......and as time passed by their work improved tremendously ( after only 3 issues )the writing is excellent and the story lines are highly original and there are plot twists that keep me guessing for months....

qouting quentin : "Cat's Trail is most like those medieval animes like Slayers ... " have you actually read Cat's Trail or watched Slayers ? yes there are similarities but only in the genre....in all my time collecting, reading and watching this stuff i have never come across a story like this...i assure you the writing is original.

All my friends( even non-Anime/Manga fans ) like it and i belive that the art and writing are as good or even better that some of the japanese made stuff out there (how many could claim that they were better than the original ?) In America Anime/Manga already has quite a following, you can see it on the web and there are others around the world that uses this tyle of drawing...soon Japan would loose claim to being a monoploy to this art form and just be the place where it started

If you've been to the Animè Explosion you could have also seen the warm welcome that they got from the fans and the attendees of said Expo ( and belive me there was a LOT of ppl there).

I also get a lot of feedback from friends who are art graduates and all i hear from them are praises, i don't hear from them that they are gaya-gaya...good art is good art wherever it originates from (some of them even got more motivated in drawing again).....we don't criticize someone who draws like Picasso just because he/she draws like him...we actually praise him/her if they do a excellent job. Even famous artist like Van Gogh and Monet copied other people's art style and modified it over time. So we should give credit to the people from Culture Crash for doing a good work and to become even better.

And don't tell me that this work isn't good

http://ami.animenetwork.com/culturecrash/Pics/diwa2.jpg


[Edited by Emarinda on 02-07-2001 at 05:55 AM]

[Tanis_Half-Elf]

It's nominal, standard faire. I flipped through a copy last week, and I found out that the poses, expressions and mannerisms are all too reminiscent of any given anime that I've watched.

[twisted_hate]

To the person who replied to my first message, I doubt anime is really from the french. According to what I've researched, French use shortcuts like: department store-Depaato.Or something like that.

Hey, I'm an Otaku too, but sometimes originality and artwork isn't all it takes to catch my attention (or respect, for this matter). I don't like it when someone proclaims him/herself the only anime critic and says"Oh, this is the best art! You have to listen to me cause I said so,".

I have different standards from all other anime fans out there and all I have to say is what I believe in. No, I don't think that art from above (yung one day isang diwa) is as damn good,as you people say it is but of course, that's just because I have seen better. People have copied Van-F***ing-Gogh, but that doesn't mean that we, The Filipino (FADDISTS), have to follow that example. Perhaps you haven't asked enough people about art or politics to conclude that "Oy, maganda ang Art!Pero...". Hell, the japanese established an artform quite different from Americans at that time,So did the Chinese(Yes, I've seen.), So why can't Filipinos learn from the first steps they took and advance to the next level? Ah-o nga pala, USO eh.

Cat's Trail is not copied from Slayers? Perhaps not Because There's CHOCOBOS,A CATGIRL, A protagonist who has a lust for money like hell. No that's not Lina Inverse's personality, because Emarinda said so.

Don't get me wrong, I am an Otaku myself, And all I have is respect for the Genre(That's why I made a topic against GMA7 before that had at least 250 replies before it died.). I like Culture Crash only because it is a great effort brought to us by a handul of fans for us fans too (yes, the art is an improvement too). What I don't like is the idea that the story and character designs greatly resemble a few characters in some Anime series. Hell, me and my colleagues even play "Guess Who?" when we get our hands on a copy!

Example:
I like Adam Warren's Dirty Pair because of its hardcore violence and the way Kei and Yuri(the protagonists) are portrayed. But that doesn't mean I don't praise Haruka T. for the original and Flash series. In fact, I hate Warren because He's applying his so-called "manga art" in almost everything.

Anime/Manga fans, I am not discouraging you from readin Culture Crash, but please do not Patronize such as if it were the very symbol of our country!

:devil::mad::grrr::o:evilgrin:

[shazlene]

i was passing by a magazine shack yesterday and i saw that even funny komiks made their drawings anime-like.. :)

[Quentin]

qouting quentin : "Cat's Trail is most like those medieval animes like Slayers ... " have you actually read Cat's Trail or watched Slayers ? yes there are similarities but only in the genre....in all my time collecting, reading and watching this stuff i have never come across a story like this...i assure you the writing is original.
- yes i have read Cat's Trail, and yes i have seen Slayers. and like i said, its like THOSE medieval animes like Slayers, Dragon Quest, etc., but Slayers just came into mind so suddenly.

I also get a lot of feedback from friends who are art graduates and all i hear from them are praises, i don't hear from them that they are gaya-gaya...good art is good art wherever it originates from (some of them even got more motivated in drawing again).....we don't criticize someone who draws like Picasso just because he/she draws like him...we actually praise him/her if they do a excellent job. Even famous artist like Van Gogh and Monet copied other people's art style and modified it over time. So we should give credit to the people from Culture Crash for doing a good work and to become even better.
- they are art graduates for crying out loud. wouldn't it be possible they have a different frame of mind like, from say, a guy from the vulgar populace?

my point here is this. if the people from Culture Crash say they are making art with a Filipino statement, then they are failing miserably (not necessarily the Pasig series). but if they say they are making art for its sake, then, i'll applaude.

and the first time i saw that One Day Isang Diwa, just seem to remind me of Ah! My Goddess.

[Quentin]

Don't get me wrong, I am an Otaku myself, And all I have is respect for the Genre(That's why I made a topic against GMA7 before that had at least 250 replies before it died.). I like Culture Crash only because it is a great effort brought to us by a handul of fans for us fans too (yes, the art is an improvement too). What I don't like is the idea that the story and character designs greatly resemble a few characters in some Anime series. Hell, me and my colleagues even play "Guess Who?" when we get our hands on a copy!

well actually, i have noticed the japanese copied each other too regarding character styles. you will often see a guy with black, spiky/disheveled hair to be one of the main protagonists (ehem, Steve of Voltes V, Keith of Voltron, Yaiba, Gokou, Yusuke Urameshi although his is neater, Recca, to name several). not to mention the contradicting protagonists-style anime like the Ken and Ryu template, and yes, even AstroBoy and that er, other Robot (notice, one is kinda like always having spiky/disheveled hair, while the other, most often will always have Blonde hair).

the kinda-original jap anime themes i have seen were Rayearth (three female, and yapping teen-agers mixed with the mecha genre), and Slayers. ok, so i said they were kinda-original because at least they never had those spiky/disheveled-haired guy as a main character.

with regards to plot, i think Rayearth too deserves a vote. who would've thought that Emeraude had that plan all along? one would say it is a good-vs-evil battle, but in the end (the first half of the series is better and more exciting than the second when the heroines returned to the planet) there was a twist. and well, who could say something about Kokaku Kidotai, or Ghost in the Shell? they say the Matrix movie copied some elements in it. but then you may say the Kokaku Kidotai got some elements from Tron (? oh wait, i can't remember which American movie or series). but you get my idea.

Culture Crash must've modified only a few significant elements in the plot and characters therefore making them unoriginal to people like me.

[Muiggz_17]

Originally posted by Emarinda
well i've been an Anime/Manga Fan ever since Astroboy showed on TV and i have read and watched tons of Manga and Anime so i could say that i know a lot about them. I can say that not all anime/manga are good and some actually downright sucks.

When i first read CultureCrash it also went trough my mind that it was a cheap ripoff i looked at the drawings and could see similarities with other Anime/Manga. I really thought that Pasig was derived from Masamune Shirow's work and One Day Isang Diwa/ Cat's Trail was based on the art from YuYu Hakusho(Ghost Fighter for the non Otaku) but after reading it, it striked me as highly original and very intertaining (after being an Otaku for 9 years i'm a bit picky) and soon i was also collecting it......and as time passed by their work improved tremendously ( after only 3 issues )the writing is excellent and the story lines are highly original and there are plot twists that keep me guessing for months....

qouting quentin : "Cat's Trail is most like those medieval animes like Slayers ... " have you actually read Cat's Trail or watched Slayers ? yes there are similarities but only in the genre....in all my time collecting, reading and watching this stuff i have never come across a story like this...i assure you the writing is original.

All my friends( even non-Anime/Manga fans ) like it and i belive that the art and writing are as good or even better that some of the japanese made stuff out there (how many could claim that they were better than the original ?) In America Anime/Manga already has quite a following, you can see it on the web and there are others around the world that uses this tyle of drawing...soon Japan would loose claim to being a monoploy to this art form and just be the place where it started

If you've been to the Animè Explosion you could have also seen the warm welcome that they got from the fans and the attendees of said Expo ( and belive me there was a LOT of ppl there).

I also get a lot of feedback from friends who are art graduates and all i hear from them are praises, i don't hear from them that they are gaya-gaya...good art is good art wherever it originates from (some of them even got more motivated in drawing again).....we don't criticize someone who draws like Picasso just because he/she draws like him...we actually praise him/her if they do a excellent job. Even famous artist like Van Gogh and Monet copied other people's art style and modified it over time. So we should give credit to the people from Culture Crash for doing a good work and to become even better.

And don't tell me that this work isn't good

http://ami.animenetwork.com/culturecrash/Pics/diwa2.jpg


[Edited by Emarinda on 02-07-2001 at 05:55 AM]

you're damn ryt, emarinda(by da way r u girl?!!!!) I give u 2 thumbs up!M not actually AN ANIME FAN BUT I THINK UR DAMN RYT! Hurray!!!! culture crash!!!

[twisted_hate]

with regards to plot, i think Rayearth too deserves a vote. who would've thought that Emeraude had that plan all along? one would say it is a good-vs-evil battle, but in the end (the first half of the series is better and more exciting than the second when the heroines returned to the planet) there was a twist. and well, who could say something about Kokaku Kidotai, or Ghost in the Shell? they say the Matrix movie copied some elements in it. but then you may say the Kokaku Kidotai got some elements from Tron (? oh wait, i can't remember which American movie or series). but you get my idea.

Actually, The Matrix got Its concept from MEGAZONE 2040(forgot the no, sorry).Hell, even the directors admitterd they Copied the Concept from a Japanese Cartoon.(Although they didn't confirm it was was Magazone-but it most likely is)

Yes, Rayearth kicks *** too, I agree.

Spiky Hair? Nah, I have to disagree with that, 'cause I believe that it's a part of the art style-like the Huge eyes, and hairless....>ahem< sorry.

:devil::mad::grrr::o:evilgrin:

[Tanis_Half-Elf]

Originally posted by twisted_hate
To the person who replied to my first message, I doubt anime is really from the french. According to what I've researched, French use shortcuts like: department store-Depaato.Or something like that.


I was talking about the word "anime" and it did come from the French. It's a fact, you can go try Usenet anime groups (rec.arts.anime.misc) and they'll tell you so.

[Quentin]

hhmm. just realized that, Darna came from Wonderwoman, but through the years, even if she became a figure that we may call our 'own', i still can't shake the feeling that she WAS a copy, unlike 'Panday'.

:devil:

IT's THE SPIKY HAIR I TELL YOU! hehe

[animated]

Originally posted by twisted_hate
I love Anime but I Hate it when my countrymen degrade themselved by Copying DIRECTLY another's work.

:devil::mad::grrr::o:evilgrin:

http://haremboss.50megs.com/images/jacknife.gif

i see your point, however, i wouldn't go as far as saying that we degrade ourselves by copying other's work. what is so degrading about that? i'm sure that the people at Culture Crash acknowledge that they were influenced by japanese animation. did they ever say that their art style is the NEW FILIPINO ART? i think not. i think the people who really deserve your anger are those thieves who actually copy an art style and call it their own.

the Culture Crash people are just starting out. give them a chance. i think the reason why they borrowed caharacter designs from popular animes is to attract readers. i'm sure when they mature as a comic publisher that they will have more "original" designs. if in the future they actually STEAL character designs and concepts, i will personally lead an angry mob against them... complete with torches and pitchforks... :)

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

oookayyyy....'parrently, we're finally done ranting about whether CULTURE CRASH is something that belongs to the philippines or not...

now for something else...removing all nationality issues, what do you think of CULTURE CRASH? which of the four stories do you like? which of the three art styles do you like? what predictions can ya make concerning their stories, and what do you suggest they try out(especially for the "one day isang diwa, apparently the palabay guy is "experimenting with the storyline" to "do something never seen in any storyline") which characters do you like to like or like to hate? why does taga-ilog hide his identity from the rest of the world with that bucket?

"me, i like the party at the end of the 4th issue because it insults someone's cooking... la lang...":D

[Quentin]

Originally posted by tinamaan_ng_kidlat
oookayyyy....'parrently, we're finally done ranting about whether CULTURE CRASH is something that belongs to the philippines or not...

now for something else...removing all nationality issues, what do you think of CULTURE CRASH? which of the four stories do you like? which of the three art styles do you like? what predictions can ya make concerning their stories, and what do you suggest they try out(especially for the "one day isang diwa, apparently the palabay guy is "experimenting with the storyline" to "do something never seen in any storyline") which characters do you like to like or like to hate? why does taga-ilog hide his identity from the rest of the world with that bucket?

"me, i like the party at the end of the 4th issue because it insults someone's cooking... la lang...":D

i have always been a fan of the mecha genre. well for that reason, it's gonna be Solstice Butterfly :) cool name too y'know :) :) :)

[Emarinda]

Culture crash's Storyies are very diversed and caters to a lot of tastes.....

I seem to notice that most of my friends and other ppl who read CCCom The current favorite it semms is either Pasig or One day Isang Diwa.

I think Pasig clicks because of it's very Pinoy oriented location and setting ( plus the fact that most pinoys like guns and "bakbakan" over teenage stories ) The art for Pasig has been steadily improving over the past 4 issues and i belive that it would become better.

Personally i like One Day Isang Diwa because it takes me back to my highschool days and can (partially) connect with the kids from that story (sino ba naman ang hindi nagkaroon ng crush noong highschool) plus ang CUTE ni Diwa at Clarissa and the writing is hilarious and E.A. Damaso's art is something to look at and admire.

and to Muiggz_17 : Sorry to Kick your hopes on the groin but i'm 100% guy ^_^;; besides if 17 is your age you're way too young for me

[Johnny Quantum]

How do you know if you've got a good product going? When people start to imitate what you've got. A group/company called Grand Boulevard is trying to do their version of CULTURE CRASH. But this time, they are reprinting original manga stories in b&w (of course), on very cheap newsprint, and are selling it for P50.00. I saw three titles at a magazine store in Greenbelt. Each title is an anthology containing four to five stories. The premiere issue of ZOO COMICS contains Dragon Ball Z, Ranma 1/2, Rorouni Kenshin, Slam Dunk, and Yuyu Hakusho. SHE COMICS first issue contains Ah! My Goddess, Fushigi Yuugi, Magic Knight Rayearth, and Sailor Moon. Each issue is around 90 pages thick, which isn't a bad for a P50.00 book, but the printing is really bad. The translation into Filipino is also bad. The lettering of the comic book is also horrible since they have to fit the words into the existing word balloons. So, even though it's in Filipino, there are some word balloons where you have to read the dialog vertically. It's just so bad!

I wonder if someone else will try to do something like this.

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

how nice...another "komiks sa tianggian", only even more UNoriginal than the ten-peso variety found under the flyover beside galleria...

as of this point, the way I see it, you have a good product going if two things happen: 1)10% of it starts showing themselve in other countries' products (ex: anime influences/spoofs of dexter's lab, johnny bravo, etc)
2)99% of that product appears in a "new" "filipino" product (ex: family computer versions of the playstation, n64, and their respective games found all over greenhills, that :eek::boom: that quantum's talking about)...

apparently, in an effort keep the price tag insanely low in order to cater to the large portion of the 'pinas populace (the masa), pinoy productmakers like these completely ignore the most important element of any product: QUALITY!!!
thanks to this ideal, the masa stays the masa because their resounding battlecry is "pwede na 'yan!"

Colonial mentality is such a :grrr: pain; most of the time, we all assume that a very good product is an imported one (aka made in the philippines sucks!).

"dangit, bumalik ang usapan sa nationality issue!"

"OneDayIsangDiwa da best! Simple ang istorya at maganda ang pagkakagawa ng mga tauhan. Hindi mahirap intindihin ang istorya at masaya ang mood ng bawat isa. tsaka baliw si Leo!" :D

[§ilver]

OK favorite ko 'yung "conjured" cat girl sa issue 3 ng cat's trail kahit na haystack lang siya...

Sa ODID; si devil Jun... (issue 2&4)

Sa Solstice Butterfly, si Dondi da technician (issue 3)

Sa Pasig, si "ngarat boy" Lando. (issue 2)

'yun lang po.

[skybastian]

I didn't have much time to read everything here so sorry kung may inulit akong mga issues. Errm, i think what matters naman is the goal and content of the comic, di ba? The CCKom guys caters to the Filipinos. Ang wika din na kanilang ginamit ay Filipino (uy.) If you read the messages for them dun sa letters to the staff, pati nga mga Fil-Am e nahihikayat na nilang magbasa ng Filipino Comics. They do admit they have been influenced by anime (mostly), pati yung sa America, England and nature daw and other forms of art. But like everyone has been saying, nagsisimula pa nga sila and THEY are also hoping to evolve. Really quite shocking din yung mga sinabi ni Sir Gerry Alanguilan tungkol sa kanila. I'm half tempted to say, "Tignan mo nga ang sarili mo," but i think I'll shut up first as i also didn't get to read it too well, so sorry in advance for any misunderstandings. Sabi niya he wouldn't support CCrash. Aray naman. Kaya siguro ayaw sumulong ng industriya e ayaw magtulungan. eka nga ng CCKom, madami silang resistance na nakukuha from the industry pa mismo. Didn't he (Mr. Alanguilan) admit also na na influence din naman siya (obvious ba?) pero he turned it into something...how did he say it? His own, or Filipino, or sumthing like that anyway. Why doesn't he give CCrash a chance to do the same? Yun din naman ang gusto ng CCrash, di ba? And i didn't see the CCKom guys working for a foreign company (OK, low blow, wag pansinin ito). I don't remember seeing any of his work in Filipino. Stone? Can you really say Stone was more Filipino than any of the stories in CCrash (just an honest question)? And how about ANGEL ACE, kasama niya sa Alamat yun, di ba? What can he say about that? Hindi ko na matandaan yung ibang gusto kong sabihin, kaya next time na lang. If you guys want to comment on the FILIPINO COMICS INDUSTRY in general, punta kayo dun sa topic na FILIPINO COMICS/Culture Crash/ Alamat/... sa ilalim din ng hobbies and rec... er, sorry for the plugging. thanks to tinamaan_ng_kidlat. dahil sayo kung anu-anong away ang namuo dito. :) i liked everyone in CCrash. (Er, maybe except for Butler. I thought it was a stupid name.)

[Sion_Barzahd]

tungkol dun sa past topics dto all i can say is: i agree on both sides.

well anyway, 2 sa pinakagusto ko sa culture crash ay yung odid tsaka yung pasig, kse gusto ko yung medyo realistic ang storya, compared sa 3 pang iba (yoko ngang magkaroon ng mga esclabo, pero gusto kong magkatotoo yung snow! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!)

[emeraude_hime]

i love cat's trail & ODID! lemme tell u guys that the artist for these stories didn't copy the characters from no slayers or whatever anime character u said they looked like. sabi nga nung creator nyan, hindi naman nila sinasadya na isipin ng ibang tao na magkamukha yung characters nila sa isang anime. other than that, matagal na dapat lumabas ang CCCom ppl with a Filipino-made manga...tama lang ang paglabas nila dahil sa nationwide boom ng anime sa 'pinas.

sabi nga ni kuya jio beltran "define what a filipino is first."

i agree with some of ur comments, but i really do appreciate what the CCCom ppl are doing as a form of self-expression & also to cater to anime fans out there.

btw, i really don't like the way SHE Comics tagalized original mangas. parang ang baduy ng pagkaka-translate nila sa tagalog. dapat siguro ay nag-ala-graphic novel na lang sila, pero at an affordable price. they should've stuck with the english translation of those manga. for sure mas tatangkilikin yun kapag ganun.

:angel:

[Johnny Quantum]

Hello skybastian!

Try going back to the stuff that Gerry Alanguilan said.
True, he said that he won't buy CCRASH, but he did say that he'd start supporting them when their works start to develop their own look, or something more "amalgamated" in the same way Marco Dimaano of ANGEL ACE and Arnold Arre of MYTHOLOGY CLASS/TRIP TO TAGAYTAY have used manga as a "jumping-off" point for their unqiue styles.

Take a look at American comic books and you can easily see that Joe Madureira and Scott Campbell use manga as an art style but they are able to give it some "added value" and it doesn't look like it's just a copy of a manga book.

Out of all of the cCRASH stories I like PASIG, but I just wish it would give me a better feel that I am in a future-Philippines. As it is, the story can be happening in any future-city and it would really matter to the story. I ahte to compare, but check out how Arre' TRIP TO TAGAYTAY or even BAYLANS was able to portray a future-Philippines and through the visuals you got the feeling that you were in the Philippines.

But despite of what I've said, I still support and buy every issue of CCRASH because their success means that, hopefully, more people will get into comic books and more Filipino comic books get the support of readers and sponsors alike.

[Quentin]

nice one Johnny. as for Angel Ace, the moment i saw it, i knew it has the anime-like feel ... but unlike others it carried a character all its own.

you're right about Joe too ... of which i noticed rin.

unlike them Sailor Moon clones. yuk.

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

probably off-topic, but...

just recently I got myself the second of the four "Mythology Class" pieces. and i have to say...that is THE best-looking tikbalang I have ever seen! gwapo grabe!!! (sees eyebrows rise from people who now think tinamaan_ng_kidlat's gay...):silly:

just a question...exactly WHO is the target audience of this series anyway? considering the printed P130 price tag, pinoys were meant to buy it...but considering the printed $4.50 price tag and the fact that it's in english (the (very) few tagalog parts are negligible to a kano reader), kanos were meant to buy it...besides, it seems weird that ancient heroes of philippine legend appear in this day&age able to speak perfect english...it also seems weird that they answer the (very) few tagalog sentences in english...just doesn't sound right (yan tuloy, yung katiting na tagalog nagmukhang outofplace pa)...

"dangit, I was hoping it'd be in tagalog...it would have sounded so much better..."

skybastian: glad i could be of service! :D

"ASAAAAR!!!! research papers are such a (beep):crazy:ing pain! lalo na kapag ang topic walang mahanapan na source!"
:lol::crazy::boom::silly::crazy:

[Quentin]

perhaps it was aiming for a universal audience.

[maranina]

gwapo pala tikbalang? AY FAFA ka pala eh...
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :lol:

[P@pPa] ako (http://come.to/PaPPPa) eh...

Peace tayo ah!
__________________________________
kaming mga pulis ang nanalo sa labanan na eto. kayong mga terorista, walang kwenta, humanda kayo sa susunod na pagtutuos... HANDA!!!

[Johnny Quantum]

About MYTHOLOGY CLASS...

In one interview, Arnold Arre said that he intended his book to be one big 300 pages graphic novel, but it would have cost too much and it would have been a P800++ trade paperback. That might be too much for the average comic book collector. The individual issues would have been lower than P100 but the costs were just "too high".

[Johnny Quantum]

And about those handsome tikbalangs :)
I liked Arnold's version compared to Whilce's hulking monsters.

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

quantum: oi, an interview! may i ask, where'dya find it? (pls say it's on the net...)
now i'm curious...how do potacio's tikbalangs look? (chris, wag kang hihirit!) :lol:

maranina: :lol::bop::lol:

meanwhile...that price tag...

15 x 4 per month = P60 for funny komiks / pilipino komiks
75 x 1(dapat...) = P75 for Culture Crash
130++ x ? = 130++ for The Mythology Class / Stone

personally, as long as the story's good, I'll pay anything(mababaw kaligayahan ko :D) pero how much are you guys willing to pay for a comic book?

"quote of the day: :evilgrin:'DI-KI-TAN mo naaaa....':evilgrin: -devil jun, Culture Crash issue 1. di na kailangan itanong kung bakit paboritong linya 'to..." :D:evilgrin:

"syeeeems!!! mauuubos nanaman pera ko sa 1, 3 at 4 ng mythology class!!!"

[maranina]

Originally posted by tinamaan_ng_kidlat

now i'm curious...how do potacio's tikbalangs look? (chris, wag kang hihirit!) :lol:


They're so GWAPO and macho naman!!! AY FAFA!!! :lol: :bop: :lol:

_____________________________________
"Mga BOBO polis!!! PANALO KAME BEBE!!!"
-Source unknown-

[Johnny Quantum]

hello kidlat!

See Whilce's bulky-hulking tikbalangs at:

http://www.avaloncomics.com
http://www.whilce.com

About Arnold's interview, I read it in the papers. It might be online. Sorry, not so sure.

[skybastian]

Oi, tinamaan ng kidlat, paalam naman o. Me research kasi ako sa KOM II eh sagi nito yung topic ko e. Taga UP ka naman ata, u understand naman, di ba? :P Pwede dukutin ko yung ibang mga nakasulat dito? I'll acknowledge everyone naman e... Pls? pls? pls? Nagpaalam nako sa PXchange mismo pero siyempre, i'm asking your permission...

About GERRY A.: Yeah, I guess... Naiisip ko lang kasi, that was a cold way of taking it to CCrash... I kind of think, him being the veteran, he should... nevermind...

tinamaan ng kidlat... PLEASE!!!!

[Johnny Quantum]

TO: SKYBASTIAN...

From Gerry's website, again, he mentions CULTURE CRASH...
http://www.ravelly.com/members/komikero/

"Like I mentioned in that article, I'm a fan of manga myself. I've got nothing against manga or anime per se. It's just that when Filipinos come out with their own comic books, I would hope that they could be at least original and not be so derivative of the work of other people.

"I hear that there are OTHER groups coming out with their own comic books using the manga style. And or old venerable comic, "Funny Komiks" has now already adapted this style in their art. I appeal to them not to be swayed by what is popular. Strive to be original, please. You are not just making a comic book, you are writing the history of our culture."

[tinamaan_ng_kidlat]

quantum: yep, i've seen 'em. and yup, I prefer Arre's version...

dang...sa dyaryo...

skybastian: OI! fellow UP dili-man! :silly::D hell why not?! go ahead! topic lang naman ang naisip ko, lahat ng ibang sinabi dito sa ibang tao! actually yun nga rin ang balak kong gawin, eh!

lintek din ang research paper, ano? :D

ano nga ba ang topic mo? comics din, o iba?

maranina: (tinamaan_ng_kidlat makes a cross with his index fingers and points it at maranina while slowly inching away...FAR away...) la lang! :lol:

"mental note: kailangan ko rin bang humingi ng perwisyo sa pinoyexchange.com?"

"spreading the virus of Culture Crash and other locally-made comics around UP...my plan for world domination is almost complete!!!MUHAHAHHAHAA, I say! MUHAHAHAHAHHAAH!!!!!":crazy::crazy:

[maranina]

Originally posted by tinamaan_ng_kidlat
maranina: (tinamaan_ng_kidlat makes a cross with his index fingers and points it at maranina while slowly inching away...FAR away...) la lang! :lol:

"spreading the virus of Culture Crash and other locally-made comics around UP...my plan for world domination is almost complete!!!MUHAHAHHAHAA, I say! MUHAHAHAHAHHAAH!!!!!":crazy::crazy:

HuH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Say what?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
world domination world domination... tsk tsk tsk... ano yan?
LAGOT!!! Chuchumbong kita kay EYA!!! LAGOT!!! HALA KA!!!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! :devil:

de... loko lang...

(serious na to):
hoy choy, nakuha mo ba email na sinend ko? Parang namamatay ka na sa UP ano?

_________________________
"WAAAAAAA may kakampi ba ako??? tulunganyonamanAKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"
-stone inscription source unknown-

[Johnny Quantum]

Talking about Arre's tikbalangs again...
You can see more tikbalangs and Arnold's art at:
http://www.arnold-arre.com

[vajula]

to the people knockin' on cc chara designs: i think the copied/modified chara designs are worth it, even if only for the reactions they elicit... curiosity is a powerful advertising tool, even after you tell people something sucks, sometimes they just have to find out for themselves. =)

edit: spell check

[Eclipse_wolf]

It is refreshing to see culture crash out there. I mean there has been attempts to acheive a marketing success or to come up with a very excellent product. I have never seen anything like Culture crash in the filipino setting.

I mean I read Babaylan and I was sorely disappointed with the artwork and even in the storyline itself. Then I read culture crash. I have no words to describe my sense of pride while reading their work. It felt refreshing to actually read an entertaining manga in tagalog. The talent is there and I dont care what people will say about Culture crash otherwise. For me CC is like a national treasure. If they keep up the quality of their work people will follow them for years to come and usher the comic industry into a new era.

[Quentin]

quality it is. the colouring are really cool. they must've used something like the chameleon team did with image comics and other comics nowadays.

[skybastian]

Hehe. Salamat. Hay naku! Malapit na ang last week of classes at natabunan na ako ng mga projects at exams, bad3p! NAPAKADAMEEEE :boom: Ya, ang topic ko is: MAKABAGONG PILIPINO KOMIKS BILANG INSTRUMENTO NG PAGPAPALAGANAP NG DIWANG MAKABAYAN. (chika lang yun:D) Nagre-research ka rin ba? Ano topic mo? Oo, siyempre paalam ka muna sa PXchange... Hmmm.... anung college ka ba? baka mamya magkakalase papla tayu sumwhere... Salamat ulit!

Johnny: :cool: OK, OK... i just think it's a little ironic that's all... :) Love and Peace!

[jigan]

About Filipino art....

I am a natural born Filipino and I have some questions.

If I paint a "Bayanihan" scene, or a "Pahiyas Festival" scene using a style which is clearly influenced by Van Gogh....is that considered Filipino art?

Will I lose my national identity, or am I degrading myself, because I interpreted my culture using a style popularized by a foreigner?

Let's all be open-minded about these things.

[§ilver]

Hey Jigs!
You got a point there, man! Heck, Juan Luna painted the Spoliarium (tama ba spelling noon?) in a style which is distincly European plus his Subject matter was European (you know, gladiator fights and stuff) and yet we are proud to have him as a national hero! Why? Well maybe because his painting, the style and the subject matter is just skin deep and what the people really looked into was the meaning and content of his work. Just a thought.

[pexman]

The debate on the nature of the Filipino comics art style stems from it being confused with 'art rendered by a Filipino.'

What Gerry Alanguilan refers to as Filipino 'komiks' art concerns the STYLE, not the nationality of the person who draws it.

STYLE, meaning the manner and form something is done. 'Manga' art is clearly a Japanese-borne style. It is recognized as to have been originated and developed by Japanese.

Alanguilan cites the artwork of Redondo, Alcala, et al, as having a style that Westerners described as unique and distinct, that the Filipino komiks artists alone have developed. The style is characterized by strokes, lines, composition and detail that are far different from the mange style. When you visit Alanguilan's webpages of samples from these artists, you can easily identify the nature of this style.

The major difference between the Filipino 'komiks' art style and the Japanese 'manga' art style is, of course, the level of popularity. These are labels which indicate the culture/country of origin. It's like the Argentinian tango and the Spanish flamenco (STYLES of dancing).

The problem with the 'komiks' art style is that it hasn't been exposed as such to the world at large as a distinct art style that was developed and polished by Filipinos. A lot of Filipinos aren't even aware of it and, thus, get into debates of 'what is true Filipino art?'

Given the above (albeit lengthy) entry, is the art in CC Filipino?

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by shazlene
personally i don't like culture crash.. it just presents an idea to me that filipinos like to copy other countries' art.. and the storyline-- :eek:
i'd appreciate it a lot if they didn't copy the japanese way of drawing sutff..
anyway it's just my opinion so nobody should feel so affected :)
ok lang yun kahit ako medyo nababanas kasi hindi sya worth it for my money .. obvious naman na ginaya nila yung mga taga GateKeepers at si Terry Bogard and don't forget si Vega ng SF .... bilib na sana ako kasi kaya ng mga pinoy na magdrawing ng magagandang characters pero sana naman yung concept at story gumawa naman sila ng unique :bop: para lang silang nagbebenta ng fan fiction ...eh kung ganun din lang magiinternet na lang ako atleast menos gastos.

[maranina]

Originally posted by SoliduS_AlphA

ok lang yun kahit ako medyo nababanas kasi hindi sya worth it for my money .. obvious naman na ginaya nila yung mga taga GateKeepers at si Terry Bogard and don't forget si Vega ng SF .... bilib na sana ako kasi kaya ng mga pinoy na magdrawing ng magagandang characters pero sana naman yung concept at story gumawa naman sila ng unique :bop: para lang silang nagbebenta ng fan fiction ...eh kung ganun din lang magiinternet na lang ako atleast menos gastos.

ganon... i havnt read the comic itself but i saw som of their sites...
naastigan ako sa angel eyes tama ba?

[SSJ_Vegeta]

unhappy. ang tagal ng issue_7 :(

[g5180]

I LAB JEDD AND DANTE!!! KAKA IN LAB!! Who thinks mina died in issue 6? hehehehehe...but there will be NO story without her...mina cool. tammy cute!

[iman]

Pilitin n'yo ang mga kakilala n'yong 'patrons' na kunin 'tong taong 'to:

Ruben de Vela
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/r/u/ruben/ruben.html

Nifty galleries!

---

Am new to CC, and so far, it's good for me...
Still, get this Ruben guy to do stuff for CCCom!!!

[otakuvoicer]

Here are my two-cents worth of opinion:

Funny Komiks? Culture Crash? Is there any difference? Yes and no. From where i stand, Culture Crash is a bit too expensive for the common masa. But this is just my opinion_ the paper maybe glossy, the colors exuberant, but the drawings,sad to say, needs improvement. You may or may not agree when i say na mas marami pang magagaling sa kanila. But we will never know, for a guy normally cant come out with his own comic book and call it manga without shelling a lot of money.

So what to do? We watch them parade their works while those who may have better works than theirs are force to give up their dreams in being creators. I am just stating plain fact. If you have no money, no connections, Your talent will stay lock in a closet forever.


I suggest we try making dojinshi's in the philippines. Yes, like the way the amateur artits in other countries do. All artits_even amateurs_ even the poor ones_ should have a chance to have his voice heard. We have been a denied an outlet to vent out our feelings for so long by the powers that be in the local komiks scene. They know who they are. I know they're reading this. Please_ do not let them suppress your right to be heard. Your little kingdom is already in shambles because of your actions. Your kasuwapangan. Give other people a chance.


If any otaku who are undergoing the same hardships i am experiencing since i came to work in the dojinshi 'zine, we must band together, for alone, we are no match. Do it for yourselves. Do it for future generations_otakus who wont have have to experience suppression, ridicule when they put out their dojinshi's. Otakus must help one another and those who are to come afterwards.

[guzamanosu]

Hey guys! Culture Crash 7 is now available.
Sa wakas.....

[ellone_xi]

wag namn kayong ganyan! They're trying their best to make the comic as pleasing as they can.. isa pa... kayo kaya pagawin ko ng ganyang comic e di syempre malamang... may touch din yun ng jap anime!! why don't give them a chance to prove theirselves di ba?

:tampo:

[ellone_xi]

Originally posted by SoliduS_AlphA

ok lang yun kahit ako medyo nababanas kasi hindi sya worth it for my money .. obvious naman na ginaya nila yung mga taga GateKeepers at si Terry Bogard and don't forget si Vega ng SF .... bilib na sana ako kasi kaya ng mga pinoy na magdrawing ng magagandang characters pero sana naman yung concept at story gumawa naman sila ng unique :bop: para lang silang nagbebenta ng fan fiction ...eh kung ganun din lang magiinternet na lang ako atleast menos gastos.

wag namn kayong ganyan! They're trying their best to make the comic as pleasing as they can.. isa pa... kayo kaya pagawin ko ng ganyang comic e di syempre malamang... may touch din yun ng jap anime!! why don't give them a chance to prove theirselves di ba? :tampo:

[Raziel]

I'll tell you something.... everyone is crying out originality, right? Well, in my opinion, nothing is original these days. every story reminds us of some story we've seen in the past therefore not original. every artwork reminds us of something we've seen in the past therefore not original. The fact is some originality still exists upon recycled ideas and therefore making it a bit original but not 100%. This year, have you ever read a pure 100% percent comic book that doesn't connect to any story or art style that already exists? What i'm saying is, it's too early for us to tell if they're original or not. I'm not accepting them as they are, i'm even against them but as an artist, i can understand what they're going through.

Emmanuel Javier
Editor-in-chief Blitzworx

[otakuvoicer]

hi.

Yes,i do make hentai zines. I am the scourge of those who hate hentai. But thats what uragawa comic books are. you have more freedom to create works na walang magbabawal sa iyo. Lately, I have been using my very small comic book publication to make zines na may political messages. nababahala ako sa nangyayari sa pinas. This nation, already grieving with one too many bad breaks, may soon explode. Chilling,no? And thats what bothers me. I believe na anime and manga can be a medium for higher purposes. Sino bang pinoy ang hindi nanonood ng Dragonball? get what i mean? Anime and manga has become a medium for expression. i'm 28yrs old. Matanda na. i cant keep overdosing on the feel-goody and turn a blind eye on whats happening in the country. Eman Javier told me recently that nahihirapan silang gumawa on a project na may political message. I know the feeling. Mahirap. Pinagsasama ko ang hentai with politics. Put yourself in my shoes. But from another point of view, hindi rin masyado. i joined some rallies,but i was never an activist. BUT kapag nararamdaman mo ang kahirapan ng nakararaming tao, you begin to understand why the masa would accept a crook like Erap as their saviour. That has always been the problem of some of our creators. They embark on a project na hindi nila pinag-aaralan. Wala silang alam. I'm talking about people in local komiks. There was a timewhen the local publications put out komiks na manga daw ang dating.What was really happening was they were forcing artits who were as old as your grandfathers to draw manga that their apos can draw.

Okay, mahaba na 'to. more next time. But if i can offer some advice on beginning artists out there: Pls call yourselves DOJINSHIKAS. Our works are only dojinshis. Culture Crash was oh so wrong when they labelled their works as manga. That was the time i took umbrage. And pls, STUDY a project first or create a project thats close to your heart. You will never go wrong.

[Kanon]

Originally posted by gamera3
Well first of all I would like to make this clear...--
The general public seems to term Anime and Manga exclusive for comics and animation created in Japan...but...
In Japan... Manga means comics- all types of them...published/created in Japan and foreign comic books including Marvel,DC, Image!!! Same goes for Anime!!! When they use the term "Anime", it also includes Disney and WarnerBros and others...!!! "Anime" is a derivative from "Animation" and it's even ok for them to use the term cartoons... ok?

Ya don't believe me? Need Proof?? Try to get a copy of Hobby Japan or any Japanese hobby magazine that features American Comic imports...it says there "Manga" grab yer katakana charts if u can't read it!!! Surf through Wowow.co.jp and look for the "anime" listings...Southpark and the Simpsons are included in the list along with Vandread, SoulTaker..etc...OR JUST ASK ANY JAPANESE WHO WAS RAISED IN JAPAN...wag mga lumaki dito...

*Whew*


The word "Doujinshi" in English approximately means "Fan comics or fan zine." CLAMP used to be doujishi artists making fan works of their favorite titles.

[gamera3]

Hi there guys! Gamera3 here! also a Blitz member. I may have a different point of view regarding CCcom. I'm not really a big fan but I really appreciate on what they are doing. I sometimes do grab a copy from stores and check out on what's going on. I'm a fan (not a fanatic, and definetly not an Otaku) of Japanese Comics and Japanese influenced art (decent ones only). And I really don't believe we are killing th Filipino art community by using Japanese influences as a medium for telling a story. CCcom might have reasons for not accomodating aspiring japanese art influenced artists as they themselves are having financial problems. They however encourange other artists out there to make comics whether be it Western or Eastern influenced.

I hope the filipino comic industry could learn to help each other out rather than pulling others down. That is what I observed with "established" artists out there keeps on talking about in their interviews. "Don't start with that manga crap" - Leinel Yu, Fly Magazine. cccom killing the filipino art industry- Gerry Alanguilan (Hey! I bought your Wasted) Dudes! I do check out your works and they're pretty good stuff! But I also appreciate other alternative works like in CCcom.

Anyways, if my project with Blitz pushes through. I'll be first using "manga" style. I also have various art styles but I'm doing this because this is the form of medium I feel that would express my story.

see ya!

Mabuhay ang mga Filipino Artists!!

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by ellone_xi


wag namn kayong ganyan! They're trying their best to make the comic as pleasing as they can.. isa pa... kayo kaya pagawin ko ng ganyang comic e di syempre malamang... may touch din yun ng jap anime!! why don't give them a chance to prove theirselves di ba? :tampo:
Kaya nga sinasabi namin ang comments namin para maisip nila nay may kelangan silang patunayan, kung walang mga negative criticisms, hindi sila mag iimprove at magsasawa ang mga tao sa kanila dahil obviously puro rip off characters ang mga ginawa nila and that is dissapointing for me(IMO). Sorry but you can't please everyone , pls be reminder of that rule.And as far as I observed, I'm trying to put up negative criticisms Constructively para malaman nila ang mga bagay na dapat at hindi dapat.Hindi naman masama na kupoya ng konting material pero kung kaya nila gumawa ng original eh dapat gumawa na lang sila ng original material.CC is just similar to a fan fic na mababasa mo sa anipike.com and other anime sites.

just my 2 cents! :bop:

[skybastian]

Originally posted by SoliduS_AlphA
... at magsasawa ang mga tao sa kanila dahil obviously puro rip off characters ang mga ginawa nila and that is dissapointing for me(IMO)...

Well, they did say somewhere na nagawa na nila yung character designs as they were before they even saw Yuyu and Eva...but we can't exactly say na ni-rip off sila ng gainax or something di ba?

gamera: *okay*

TnK: :lol: nasan ka na ba? Nabuhay ulit thread mo!

:wave:

[Quentin]

for me there can never be a Pinoy Manga. you can make pretty characters with bodacious bodies, or simply astounding mecha designs and place pinoy dialogue, but there can never be a Pinoy Manga. it will always be Japanese to me.

manga will always be that japanese word. period.

unless ofcourse ... if it evolves.

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by Quentin
for me there can never be a Pinoy Manga. you can make pretty characters with bodacious bodies, or simply astounding mecha designs and place pinoy dialogue, but there can never be a Pinoy Manga. it will always be Japanese to me.

manga will always be that japanese word. period.

unless ofcourse ... if it evolves.
Eh di komiks. pareho naman yata ang kahlugan nun eh. :)

[Kanon]

Originally posted by Quentin
for me there can never be a Pinoy Manga. you can make pretty characters with bodacious bodies, or simply astounding mecha designs and place pinoy dialogue, but there can never be a Pinoy Manga. it will always be Japanese to me.

manga will always be that japanese word. period.

unless ofcourse ... if it evolves.
Whaa???
Dude!!!
Manga and Comics are the same!!!
"Manga" is japanese for comics...
sino ba nagpauso na "manga"...gawang hapon lang...

I have a french comic book translated in Japanese...
tapos, "furansu no manga/french comics" nagalagay... o paano yan?;)

[maranina]

Originally posted by Quentin
for me there can never be a Pinoy Manga. you can make pretty characters with bodacious bodies, or simply astounding mecha designs and place pinoy dialogue, but there can never be a Pinoy Manga. it will always be Japanese to me.

manga will always be that japanese word. period.

unless ofcourse ... if it evolves.

i luv pinoy manga. :)

[squint]

kanon: grand lethal? isn't that zidane's trance? you played ff9, malamang.;)

[JoeFac]

Originally posted by twisted_hate




Gilbert Monsanto

jay and Jim jimenez

Caesar Sto. Domingo

Berlin manalaysay

Gilbert Monsanto's drawings sucked....but most of his stories were good.

Jay and Jim Jimenez went on and degraded themselves more by forming the "J Brothers Band"

just kidding....they did good art (I remember how one of them were codenamed "Exodus") and "Vanguard" (a series by them in Bata Batuta comics) was good. manyak magdrowing. :D

Joseph Caesar Sto. Domingo - this guy kicks @ss...nobody in his era drew mechas of Gundam as well as he did. and he got great characters too. medyo manyak din to eh...hehehe.....

Berlin Manalaysay - yes, Combatron (of Funny comics) was a Rockman-wannabe...but the story is as original as it can get.

Other artists:

Luisito Antonio - manyak din, pero magaling

Roy Allan Martinez - draws the same way as Jerry Alanguilan does.

Vincent Kua - the patriarch of 'Pinoy jap-manga'....his drawings are like jap manga (slightly big eyes, and nice lines) pero...orig pa rin.

My opinion of culture crash? Artistically, they're good. But they lack good ideas with regards to stories and such.

Just a note: Anybody here read the pinoy porn komiks called "INIT"? it kicks Hentai's @ss, period! :D

[maranina]

Originally posted by JoeFac


Gilbert Monsanto's drawings sucked....but most of his stories were good.

Jay and Jim Jimenez went on and degraded themselves more by forming the "J Brothers Band"

just kidding....they did good art (I remember how one of them were codenamed "Exodus") and "Vanguard" (a series by them in Bata Batuta comics) was good. manyak magdrowing. :D

Joseph Caesar Sto. Domingo - this guy kicks @ss...nobody in his era drew mechas of Gundam as well as he did. and he got great characters too. medyo manyak din to eh...hehehe.....

Berlin Manalaysay - yes, Combatron (of Funny comics) was a Rockman-wannabe...but the story is as original as it can get.

Other artists:

Luisito Antonio - manyak din, pero magaling

Roy Allan Martinez - draws the same way as Jerry Alanguilan does.

Vincent Kua - the patriarch of 'Pinoy jap-manga'....his drawings are like jap manga (slightly big eyes, and nice lines) pero...orig pa rin.

My opinion of culture crash? Artistically, they're good. But they lack good ideas with regards to stories and such.

Just a note: Anybody here read the pinoy porn komiks called "INIT"? it kicks Hentai's @ss, period! :D

Berlin Manalaysay has made a great story with that combatron stuff.

I look at the story more than the art.

[SoliduS_AlphA]

May pinoy na nagsulat ng Zoids sa Bata Batuta lumalabas yun.
Ang surname nya ay Samaniego yata.
Then sa Funny Komiks yung Prinsiper Maro maganda rin ang storya nya pati yung SuperDog.

[Quentin]

Originally posted by Kanon

Whaa???
Dude!!!
Manga and Comics are the same!!!
"Manga" is japanese for comics...
sino ba nagpauso na "manga"...gawang hapon lang...

I have a french comic book translated in Japanese...
tapos, "furansu no manga/french comics" nagalagay... o paano yan?;)

puedeng kuhanin niyo yung context ng message ko, puede?

[JoeFac]

Originally posted by SoliduS_AlphA
May pinoy na nagsulat ng Zoids sa Bata Batuta lumalabas yun.
Ang surname nya ay Samaniego yata.
Then sa Funny Komiks yung Prinsiper Maro maganda rin ang storya nya pati yung SuperDog.

Ollie Samaniego ata ang pangalan non...

hehe...superdog ownz! parang si goofy na superman yung dating. :D

i also liked Planet Op Di Eyps and Mr. and Mrs. comic strip.

[Kanon]

Originally posted by squint
kanon: grand lethal? isn't that zidane's trance? you played ff9, malamang.;)
yup!!!:p

[misao_chan]

Culture Crash is one of my well-loved magazine of all time. The artwork is great and the stories are in full color! I really wonder whether Questor has the means (and I bet they do, with all the advertisements they have in their magazine) to produce a series that is in full color. They have Gokiburi, but they insist to make it in Black and White -- I guess to make a statement. But the hell! What IS that statement? It has to be more than just "uniqueness." :evil_lol: And what is that price of theirs? P180?!?! :grrr: Holy cow! With the quality of their magazine and articles, it should sell only for P90!

Anyway, Culture Crash is cheap too. It sells at P85, but because of lack of advertisements, they are thinking of raising the price! So, please, try to support them, because their stories are really promising and that they are really amazing, talented people. -- Proud to be Filipino. :bounce2:

[Quentin]

they will always be wannabees to me.

[misao_chan]

As the saying goes... you can't always please everybody... :p

[reilan]

i dunno kung ** pa tong topic na 2, pero what happened sa kanila?? tagal ko na antay next mag nila *** pa din... ???

[kartoonista]

Issue #15 is already out.

Naghahabol sila ngayon sa issue #16 which they plan to release sa December.

[Zah_65]

may independent comic book contest b sa december?

[kartoonista]

Nope. Word has it the C3 Con has been moved to April.

[dspr8 rugged]

Ang tagal din ang hinintay ko for issue 15. December pa ang issue 16?

Tsaka, medyo di ko magawang magustuhan yung art ni Ryan Orosco sa ODID. Nagmukhang mahalay si Mikaela at si Alex.

Anyway, eventually, kailangan kong masanay sa ganitong sistema...