UP Engineering Board Exam Myth

[Shinobi No Kami]

I have chanced upon quite a number of posts in this forum and also other forums claiming that: "UP has a high passing rate in the board exams because only the very best students are allowed to take the exam". Some variations of this theory include the existence of a required pre-board exam. My reaction, naturally, would be "WTF?". As far as I know, there is no truth is this claim. The undergraduate curriculum is not even designed for taking the PRC board exam.

I just got a few questions for you:
1. Have you heard of this myth?
2. If you are a UP student/alumna, have you ever responded to a person making such claims.

[plucker_08]

The undergraduate curriculum is not even designed for taking the PRC board exam.

tama. sobrang malayo. sa ME, pang masters na sa ibang schools yung tinatake namin eh.

[Dacs]

1. Nope, not really
2. Good luck! Wala na ngang pakialam faculty namin kung ano gawin namin after graduation eh :rotflmao:

[math_techie]

Instead of looking at it that way, I look at it this way: UP has a high performance rating in the boards, because only the BEST survives the engineering program of UP. If you are not that good then malamang madismiss ka na lang sa college...di ba Prof. Quiwa?

[n3X]

I have chanced upon quite a number of posts in this forum and also other forums claiming that: "UP has a high passing rate in the board exams because only the very best students are allowed to take the exam". Some variations of this theory include the existence of a required pre-board exam. My reaction, naturally, would be "WTF?". As far as I know, there is no truth is this claim. The undergraduate curriculum is not even designed for taking the PRC board exam.

I just got a few questions for you:
1. Have you heard of this myth?
2. If you are a UP student/alumna, have you ever responded to a person making such claims.

I dont really get the violent reaction. Well I think its not a myth, but a fact. The results of the performances of Engg grads from both Diliman and Los Baños are quite good relative to the national average. You could track the news reports as bases for this, you could fine some from internal UP publications. Most of the takers also top the exams considering that only a few graduate (around 10 to 40).

Why say "variations of this THEORY" if you contend its a MYTH?

There are no required pre-board exams. I've never heard of such a thing. Engg people, meron ba?

Well yes, the curricula are designed not for the board exams. Same thing in the College of Law, Medicine, Business, etc. UP trains its students to be good in their field, not merely to pass the board/bar.

And as a UP alumnus, I have only one response to this "claim," well, yes.

[Kolmogorov]

^yung myth na sinasabi ni Shinobi is kaya mataas ang board exam passing rate ay dahil pre-board exam kuno or pinipili lang daw ng UP kung sino ang dapat mag board exam etc..


1. Sa Pex ko nabasa yung mga paratang na yan. Wala pa namang nangahas na magtanong sa akin kung totoo yan from among my non-UP friends and aquaintances

2. Good luck talaga. I remember dati sa dept namin kinongratulate yung mga ECE board takers (100% passing rate) na nakasulat lang sa short bond paper at pinost sa bulletin board haha! And just like sabi ni Dacs, once you graduate, wala na silang pakialam kung magtake ka man o hindi

Seriously, meron ba talagang school na pagbabawalan ang grads nila na kumuha ng board exam? Ano pa ba pwede nilang gawin dun sa student eh graduate na yun kung sakaling magtake siya ng board exam.

[chain_saw8]

yes.... strategy nila un... but its so unfair....

[Churbs]

^ - Prove it.

[hacksaw]

Alang board ang IE kaya to answer the questions.

1. No
2. No

Dean Gev once told us that the only way you can leave the College of Engg is either you graduate or we kick you out. Either way, she says were done with you so you can do whatever you like.

:D

[cretinous00]

From a flunked engineering student who's currently a star in their interdisciplinary studies. :D

[boy_wonder]

yes.... strategy nila un... but its so unfair....

Strategy-talino???.. Unfair magbigay ng talino ang Diyos?:confused:

No!:rotflmao:

[Dacs]

yes.... strategy nila un... but its so unfair....
Post proofs or STFU *okay*

[Shinobi No Kami]

yes.... strategy nila un... but its so unfair....
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5219/stfubigky8.png

[^icebox]

yes.... strategy nila un... but its so unfair....

lol. :rotflmao:

unfair ba kung talagang matatalino at magagaling graduates ng UP?

one of my professors in EEE told us that we don't need to review for the boards because graduating from the university [na sobrang hirap especially sa Engg'g] is already enough for us to pass the board exams. ganyan ka competitive ang programs at graduates ng UP. kung naiingit ang ibang schools sa performance ng UP, e di gawin nilang competitive ang programs nila. di yung kesyo may mga pre-boards, etc.

[Dacs]

lol. :rotflmao:

unfair ba kung talagang matatalino at magagaling graduates ng UP?

one of my professors in EEE told us that we don't need to review for the boards because graduating from the university [na sobrang hirap especially sa Engg'g] is already enough for us to pass the board exams. ganyan ka competitive ang programs at graduates ng UP. kung naiingit ang ibang schools sa performance ng UP, e di gawin nilang competitive ang programs nila. di yung kesyo may mga pre-boards, etc.
The post can be made less subtle (with less bragging :lol: ) but otherwise spot-on.

[blackbody]

1. Myth ba ito? Alam ko totoo ito eh.
2. Wala namang nagsasabing myth ito sa akin, kasi totoo naman. Totoo yung sinasabi ni Kolmogorov na sa bond paper lang sa isang sulok ng department lang pinopost ang board exam results, di katulad sa mga schools na iba na nagpapagawa pa ng malalaking boards para dun. Kasi sa UP Eng'g (at least sa GE dept), na since ordinary na ang pumasa sa board, mas news-worthy pang pag-usapan ang mga hindi pumasa.

Proof?
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=cpa_oct_19_2005
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=dentist_jan_17_2006
http://www.pinoysites.org/jcm/item/30/
At and pinaka-comprehensive na proof:
http://aseaneducation.com/?page_id=15

[Dacs]

Totoo na alin? Na may pre board?

[Dacs]

http://newdeal.feri.org/carbonhill/images/k95.jpg

[plucker_08]

Proof?
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?...pa_oct_19_2005
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?...st_jan_17_2006
http://www.pinoysites.org/jcm/item/30/
At and pinaka-comprehensive na proof:
http://aseaneducation.com/?page_id=15

di ko magets kung bakit naging proof to?

[keener]

medyo off topic:

Perpetual schools divide their best students to take the two board exams so that their passing rate would remain high.

OT:

I don't think it's true. They can't just deprive a normal student of the opportunity to take the board just because he doesn't show perfection.

I agree with math_techie. Baka naman mababa talaga ang survival rate kaya it seems na best of the best lang ang kumukuha.

[blackbody]

di ko magets kung bakit naging proof to?

Statement to prove / Others claim to be a myth:

(1)"UP has a high passing rate in the board exams..."
(2) "...because only the very best students are allowed to take the exam"

Para sa point 1:
Sana po binasa nyo ang nakalagay sa link, especially yung http://aseaneducation.com/?page_id=15. Pero since parang hindi, naka-quote ko below iyon. Note na iha-highlight ko po ang mga courses na meron sa UPCoE, although interesting ding tingnan ang ilang courses na dominated din ng mga taga-UP. Also note na this summary is based on the official results from the PRC (pdf files of this is also in the link).

Para sa point 2:
Ask anybody from UPCoE if this is true. So far, everybody who posted on this subject sa it's true,

[Dacs]

Now I get it. I thought what you're trying to say is that the "pre-board" is true :lol:

[blackbody]

Ngek, ganun ba. Eh mali pala yung post ko kung ganun... aheheheh...

[ach_soo]

Grabeh, ang galing talaga ng Batangas State at Mindanao State. Sila lang talaga tumatapat sa UPD, UPM, at UPLB.

[Jernat]

At kitang-kita namang marami man o kaunti ang examinees ng UP, mataas ang passing rate nito hindi tulad ng iba riyan.

[boy_wonder]

Hindi ata kasi nag-a-undergo sa ganung pre-board process ang mga taga-ibang schools. :D

[quents]

^e upcat pa lang bagsak na yung iba di ba?

sourgraping lang yan.

[maikeru]

Grabeh, ang galing talaga ng Batangas State at Mindanao State. Sila lang talaga tumatapat sa UPD, UPM, at UPLB.

Mabuhay ang mga state universities ng bayan!!!*okay*

[aqriusguy]

Re: Myth No. 1 - "UP has a high passing rate in the board exams because only the very best students are allowed to take the exam".

False. That is definitely not the reason for the excellent performance of UP at board exams. Patawa naman yang claim na yan. :lol:

Dito sa PEX may mga nababasa akong claims na ganyan, i.e., kaya maraming pumapasa sa UP is because “only the very best students are allowed to take the exam.” Pero in person wala namang nagsasabi nang harap-harapan. I think that is a stupid assumption. Kung sa “others” nga hindi pwedeng pagbawalang mag-take ang estudyante kung gusto nilang mag-board, sa UP pa na ni hindi pinag-uusapan ang board until just before you take it.


Re: “Pre-board exam” Myth

Does not exist. Actullay ang layo nga ng klase ng exams sa UP compared to the boad exam kasi nga kahit saang course, the curricula were not designed for the board exam. Kaya nga most students still go to review schools dahil nga it is widely known that the type of questions and problems you encounter at the board are very different from the exams they give in the college.

Kung may pre-board exam? I know other specialist engineering schools have those pero I am not aware that there is one like that in UP.


Have I responded to such mythical claims? Only at PEx although I would like for someone to tell those claims to my face para naman ma-explain sa kanya na mali ang mga haka-haka nila. UP’s performance in engineering board exams is excellent precisely because it is an excellent engineering school, the best in the country. People from “others” can think of many different, creative reasons to discount that but UP’s record speaks for itself. ;)

[altair]

"UP has a high passing rate in the board exams because only the very best students are allowed to take the exam".

if rephrased a little bit

"UP has a high passing rate in the board exams because only the very good students are allowed to take the exam".

totoo ito


a prerequisite in taking the engineering board exams is an engineering diploma

sa UP, only the very good students (in terms of academics or diskarte) can hurdle the engineering programs and get engineering diplomas.

ergo,

only the very good students are indirectly allowed to take the board exams

:D:D:D

sa EEE, things that are way more difficult than board exams topics are studied (e.g. digital signal processing, probability theory, microelectronics, control systems, etc; the people at the microelectronics lab even design microprocessors which eventually get fabricated at TSMC).

UP has the best engineering program in the country.
But if you compare UP with the other institutions in the region, kulelat pa rin (though not UP's fault -> it's the Philippine government's fault)

[carlhiro]

Talaga namang unfair kapag may pre board exams pa.

hindi naman totoo ang myth na yan. wala naman akong naririnig sa upper classmen na magreready sila for a preboard exam. what i do hear is their complaints on how hard engineering is. tinatakot nga nila kami eh.

tama sila. sa bond paper ko nga lang talaga nakikita ang results ng board exam. yung mga orgs lang ang nagpapagawa ng sariling tarpauline para sa mga mems nila.

[jailovechris]

Ang alam ko, base sa mga ka-review ko sa 1 review center, sa UST, they are trained talaga to pass the board exam --- yung degree of difficulty ng exams nila e pang-board exam, pinapamaster sa kanila yung handbook, etc... kaya sa review center palang kung san puro pang-UP ang binibigay na drills, ayun, hindi sila makapasa...

And its correct, wala ng pakialamanan ang mga teachers kung magb-board ka o hindi. They say that Board exam is super easy as compared to our exmas in college (which is so true) so walang dahilan para magpre-board pa.

Saka we don't look at board exams as basis of excellence... we look more on research outputs talaga.

Mas particular pa nga ang mga UP profs na pakunin ang mga students nila ng MS at PhD after graduation than board exam e.

[quents]

Ang alam ko, base sa mga ka-review ko sa 1 review center, sa UST, they are trained talaga to pass the board exam --- yung degree of difficulty ng exams nila e pang-board exam, pinapamaster sa kanila yung handbook, etc... kaya sa review center palang kung san puro pang-UP ang binibigay na drills, ayun, hindi sila makapasa...



uh oh.

baka kuyugin ka ng mga uste dito hihi :D :D :D

[jailovechris]

may mga uste kase na nagsabi hindi nila alam yung mga topics na dini-discuss ng lecturer namin from UP kase yung topic is unlikely naman daw na lumabas sa board exam. sinabi din nila kung sinong USTe teacher nagsabi na wag na raw pagtuunan ng pansin ang ganitong topic... blah blah...

[kiko17]

side story lang ha? ang tawag namin sa chemical engineer's handbook ng uste ay super perry (perry being the main author of the book). hulaan nyo kung bakit. i find this so funny.

[quents]

^ kasi... sakay na? :lol:

[kiko17]

^ kasi... sakay na? :lol:

hindi! in fairness natawa ako...

it involves onion skin at very light pencil.

yun na!

[Dacs]

side story lang ha? ang tawag namin sa chemical engineer's handbook ng uste ay super perry (perry being the main author of the book). hulaan nyo kung bakit. i find this so funny.
Lahat naman tayo nag "papalaman" sa Perry eh.

I've head of that "super perry" as well. And it's not about onion skin and a very light pencil.

It's much more high tech.

It involves research (on which paper to choose) and Adobe Acrobat Editor :lol:

[kiko17]

^huy! ako hindi ha? lol

hindi ako aware sa high tech style na sabi mo.

kilala kita, classmate tayo kay lirag class of 2003. hindi ka pumapasok

kidding!

[Dacs]

^huy! ako hindi ha? lol

hindi ako aware sa high tech style na sabi mo.

kilala kita, classmate tayo kay lirag class of 2003. hindi ka pumapasok

kidding!
Ayus classmate! Uhmmm... buhay pa ba yung si Lirag?

Pumasa ako dun, maski inabot ng 2 years PD ko ahehehe

[Feodore_Knox]

I came from UP and I'm actually flattered by this myth.
This is how I see it:
UP's performance in the board exams must be so outstanding that people even created a myth out of it. :)

[cccc]

yeah, paano lalo na kasi sa eee medyo consistent na 100%

[Kolmogorov]

^sa EE na lang yan, yung ECE sumablay na hehe

I hope they'll bring back the 100% passing rate this November