From the Ateneo website: Alumni upbeat over university action plan on rankings

[sabot]

http://www.admu.edu.ph/index.php?p=120&type=2&sec=29&aid=3412

....the best thing about this article is:

The alumni responded by acknowledging Ateneo’s efforts in addressing the call for global competitiveness through its various linkages and exchange programs with universities abroad. What alarmed them when the survey results came out was the manner in which the rankings were used in the promotional materials of another school.

i smell ampalaya :D

[Gospel of Judas]

I can already forecast douchebags flocking this thread. Including yours truly. :D

[Caloy_O]

[I]The alumni responded by acknowledging Ateneo’s efforts in addressing the call for global competitiveness through its various linkages and exchange programs with universities abroad.

Extending linkages with universities abroad could either help or harm the reputation of the school. The key to benefit from school linkages is to partner with REPUTABLE universities, not so-so or equally unknown schools. Sadly, this is what Ateneo de Manila has not done so far.

Some of UP's partner schools abroad include some of the finest schools in the world and they are: MIT, UC-Berkeley, Cornell, Stanford, Michigan and Harvard in the USA, and Cambridge, Birmingham, Leeds, grand Ecole Paris, U of Paris, Limoges, Heidelberg, Humboldt and Max Planck in Europe. Aside from having linkages with the above mentioned schools, UP is also an active member of the ASEAN University Network ( http://www.aun-sec.org/ ) and The Association of Pacific Rim Universities ( http://www.apru.org/ ). (Where is Ateneo for all those Ateneo-lovers who continually chest pound about its incredible reputation amongst the elite society?

DLSU. I've argued it before and I'll continue to argue... Watch as it climbs the rankings. In 5-10 years time it will not only solidify its position as a consensus Top 300 university - it will start vying for a Top 250 spot IMO... At the end of the day it's all about name brand baby... you can't beat it with a stick.


What alarmed them when the survey results came out was the manner in which the rankings were used in the promotional materials of another school.

Isn't that expected from all schools? Even those schools abroad are using the survey results to further boast their image. So, if those schools abroad are using the data, what makes it "alarming" for UP, DLSU and UST to do the same?

[cla_cbe_d_best]

http://www.admu.edu.ph/index.php?p=120&type=2&sec=29&aid=3412

....the best thing about this article is:

The alumni responded by acknowledging Ateneo’s efforts in addressing the call for global competitiveness through its various linkages and exchange programs with universities abroad. What alarmed them when the survey results came out was the manner in which the rankings were used in the promotional materials of another school.

i smell ampalaya :D

bitter talaga...:bop: :bop:

[Caloy_O]

Modernization has opened up possibilities we could only imagine earlier. Scholars in different constituent universities can now undertake joint research without the need for frequent face-to-face meetings. In the College of Engineering some courses are offered jointly with MIT and Berkeley. When the presidents of the leading universities in the Asia-Pacific region meet to explore possible areas for research collaboration, the question invariably arises: Do we have fast Internet access and teleconferencing facilities? UP would have been left out if we did not modernize our computer system.



Francisco Nemenzo, 18th President, University of the Philippines

[Caloy_O]

The post above completes the missing component of Ateneo’s failure in ranking games -- the research output. If Ateneo is serious in wanting to overtake UP and DLSU in the league table, it must improve its research output. And, because the survey is a combination of undergrad and grad programs, it would be wise for Ateneo (de Manila) if its grad schools are given more attention than it is getting now and must increase the student enrollment in grad level rapidly.

[Jeffreyw]

I am not a graduate from any of those RP's "top" four universities mentioned in the survey, but in my opinion there's nothing wrong with using the survey result in a promotional campaign. Haaay intawn inday!

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[Jeffreyw]

Ateneo's website has 154 errors, they should be alarmed with that too!

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.admu.edu.ph%2F

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[math_techie]

I think it would be good if the they really contribute to help for the improvement of their alma mater. But what alarmed me is the reason on why they (the Ateneo alumni ) were alarmed. Does it mean that if the other school didn't use the rankings for publicity, then they would not move?

[SUX2BÜ]

These rankings are gearing more and more towards which universities are "sikat" based on ambiguous perception. In my opinion, and I believe most people will agree with me on this, a university is good if it can produce competent and compassionate individuals whose meaningful contributions to society cannot be denied.

Unfortunately most people are just dazzled with a university's link abroad, alumni support, number of professors with Ph.D, research output, and other "pogi points" in its résumé which do not necessarily translate into a more liveable society. Ask yourself this: Have I been good to my society through my education? If you answer "yes", then you can say that your university is good, really good.

:)

[cla_cbe_d_best]

^^.. if you think your beautiful, your beautiful... ;)

[MissDaisy]

There's nothing wrong with promoting one's school thru advertising. However, to do so at the expense of explicitly putting down another school is another matter. Aside from being "dirty" and unethical, it shows poor taste and poor upbringing. It contradicts the so-called Christian and 'gentlemanly' values that the school is promoting. But then again, looking at the source and their track record in sports and academics, it's not that surprising. :naughty:

[ferrisb]

Extending linkages with universities abroad could either help or harm the reputation of the school. The key to benefit from school linkages is to partner with REPUTABLE universities, not so-so or equally unknown schools. Sadly, this is what Ateneo de Manila has not done so far.

Some of UP's partner schools abroad include some of the finest schools in the world and they are: MIT, UC-Berkeley, Cornell, Stanford, Michigan and Harvard in the USA, and Cambridge, Birmingham, Leeds, grand Ecole Paris, U of Paris, Limoges, Heidelberg, Humboldt and Max Planck in Europe. Aside from having linkages with the above mentioned schools, UP is also an active member of the ASEAN University Network ( http://www.aun-sec.org/ ) and The Association of Pacific Rim Universities ( http://www.apru.org/ ). (Where is Ateneo for all those Ateneo-lovers who continually chest pound about its incredible reputation amongst the elite society?


wait a minute, ateneo has formal exchange programs/linkages through MOAs and MOUs with foreign unis. they're not in the same league as those you name dropped above. then again, doesn't UP have formal linkages with similar universities. other than the occasional anecdotes and press releases, all i could find was this (http://www.upd.edu.ph/~ovcaa/oec/international.html)...how about sending us links to more information about these other partnerships? perhaps the harvards, MITs, etc of this world preferred not to be placed in the same category as these 'unknown schools' (your words)? since you appear to be an expert on all things UP (AND lasalle, mind you), please enlighten us with your wisdom, Caloy O (O for omniscient maybe?).

[MissDaisy]

^ Agree. :)

[Gising]

The post above completes the missing component of Ateneo’s failure in ranking games -- the research output. If Ateneo is serious in wanting to overtake UP and DLSU in the league table, it must improve its research output. And, because the survey is a combination of undergrad and grad programs, it would be wise for Ateneo (de Manila) if its grad schools are given more attention than it is getting now and must increase the student enrollment in grad level rapidly.



Ateneo has been overtake by La Salle in research output probably five years ago.

The Global rankings game, especially the THES, is about research output and the citations from Graduate Level work. The impact of the research do no count. It is more of a quantitative game rather than a qualitative one. The qualitative nature of the research is dependent on the school itself.

Expand the graduate program, you expand your research output. Market the Graduate programs to the Undegrads so that they will go straight to Masteral work in Ateneo.

This will work with the methodology of THES but not the Shanghai rankings which is more elitist by indluding Nobel Prize and Fields Medalists.

La Salle is dead serious about its goal to be one of Asia's premiere Graduate research University. They have a two-pronged approach, expand organically and expand through acquisition of other schools with graduate programs you've never heard before. :bashful:

Take note. The people who equate the global rankings to the quality of their undergraduate studies are missing the point. Its not about you, undegrads, its about the output of professors and Graduate students.:rotflmao:

[Gising]

There's nothing wrong with promoting one's school thru advertising. However, to do so at the expense of explicitly putting down another school is another matter. Aside from being "dirty" and unethical, it shows poor taste and poor upbringing. It contradicts the so-called Christian and 'gentlemanly' values that the school is promoting. But then again, looking at the source and their track record in sports and academics, it's not that surprising. :naughty:

Unfortunately, this observation is truthful.:depressed:

[Gising]

These rankings are gearing more and more towards which universities are "sikat" based on ambiguous perception. In my opinion, and I believe most people will agree with me on this, a university is good if it can produce competent and compassionate individuals whose meaningful contributions to society cannot be denied.

Unfortunately most people are just dazzled with a university's link abroad, alumni support, number of professors with Ph.D, research output, and other "pogi points" in its résumé which do not necessarily translate into a more liveable society. Ask yourself this: Have I been good to my society through my education? If you answer "yes", then you can say that your university is good, really good.

:)

That's a different story. This is all about rankings which has been legitimized by the top-tier global universities.

Why? Because they are on top and will remain on top indefinitely.:rotflmao:


Kaya nga sikat sila at tayo sa Pinas andun sa baba. Pero ang yayabang pa din.:love:

[Gising]

Looking for Western schools with lots of Ivy-type satellite schools? They are in Singapore.

Singapore is marekting itself as the Educational hub of Asia, competing with Japan and China.

As to the Philippines are linkages are just that, linkages.

Can we,yes all of us, compete with Singapore?


This is a 2003 story. Singapore is marching full speed ahead in 2007.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/10/13/singapore.education.reut/



Singapore hopes to become global education hub
Monday, October 13, 2003 Posted: 12:13 PM EDT (1613 GMT)






SINGAPORE (Reuters) -- If you've ever fumed about a long commute to school, meet John LaVacca.

Every six weeks for two years, the American executive would fly from Australia to Singapore for a week of classes at the Asia campus of the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business.

LaVacca, an Asia-Pacific manager at International Business Machines Corp (IBM) based in Melbourne, was not put off by the nine-hour flight, often spending the time cramming for exams. "It made the flight pass very quickly," the 44-year-old says.

Singapore's government is pouring millions of dollars into creating an education hub in Asia, hoping to transform both its economy and identity. Luring more visitors like LaVacca is a big part of that strategy.

The government expects education services to generate about five percent of gross domestic product -- the total value of the economy -- in the next decade, up from 3.6 percent now.

It has forecast a tripling in the number of foreign students here to 150,000 by 2012, as a growing middle class in parts of Asia look for schools outside the United States and Europe for their higher education needs, along with business executives.

"This growing education market in Asia is a major economic opportunity for us," Trade Minister George Yeo said in a recent speech.

About 22,000 new jobs will come from local and foreign institutions in the next 10 years, he estimated -- a figure that nearly matches the 26,000 jobs lost in the June quarter as the economy toiled near recession.

Growing hub
The University of Chicago, whose Asia campus sits in a restored 121-year-old traditional Chinese estate, is just one of a growing field of offshore institutions in Singapore.

Others include France's INSEAD, Johns Hopkins, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Stanford University and Technische Universiteit Eindhoven of the Netherlands.
For Singapore's policymakers, the aim is to grab a larger slice of the international education market, worth an estimated $2.2 trillion, according to a government report.

With no natural resources, the trade-reliant country hopes to develop sectors such as education, healthcare and biomedical sciences as the manufacturers at the heart of its economy come under threat from lower-cost factories in China.

By promoting official bilingualism for decades -- English and Mandarin Chinese -- Singapore has already carved out a unique role in Southeast Asia as a hub for multinational firms, capitalizing on its educated workforce and language skills.

It also has a leg up as a traditionally popular education destination for thousands of Southeast Asian students; most of LaVacca's classmates are drawn from the region. "These students helped to provide a local and broader Asian context to the materials studied," he said.

The government hopes to broaden the mix of international students by diversifying its range of courses -- from art and design to business and engineering -- and by marketing Singapore as a safe, cosmopolitan society.

'Nanny state'
But authorities also must overcome Singapore's reputation as a nanny state known for tough social controls, including pervasive censorship, that are at odds with the ideals of academia and the notion of free-thinking campuses full of intellectuals.

Chandru Rajam, a regional director at British consultancy The Economist Group, told a seminar that creative thinking in Singapore had withered in an education system that traditionally emphasized conformity and discipline.

"A lot is being invested to get people to think out of the box, but you need to do more. Students must be able to see issues and policies being debated freely in the news media," said one foreign lecturer.

With a similar cultural background and lower tuition fees, Singapore has proven popular with Chinese students, accounting for about a third of foreign students in the city.

By having a broader range of institutions -- specialist trade schools and foreign universities -- the government also hopes to avoid an outflow or brain drain of its own students abroad.

"Singapore is in Asia, and the whole of Asia is not known as a home of first-class educational institutions," said Professor Hellmut Schutte, dean of INSEAD's Asia campus.

"The result is that many very ambitious Asian students still want to go to the States or Europe," he said.

About 20,000 Singaporeans are enrolled in institutions in Australia with many others in the United States and Britain.

"People go abroad primarily to make sure they get a quality education and a degree from an institution that is recognized for its quality," said Beth Bader, managing director of the University of Chicago's business school in Singapore.

"Singapore needs to position itself as a place where the quality can be trusted," she said.

[SUX2BÜ]

That's a different story. This is all about rankings which has been legitimized by the top-tier global universities.

Why? Because they are on top and will remain on top indefinitely.:rotflmao:


Kaya nga sikat sila at tayo sa Pinas andun sa baba. Pero ang yayabang pa din.:love:

That's why these "top-tier global universities" are really good because they have been making their communities/societies more livable.

In the Philippine setting, you're right, it's a different story.

:)

[Gising]

That's why these "top-tier global universities" are really good because they have been making their communities/societies more livable.

In the Philippine setting, you're right, it's a different story.

:)

Of course you are correct in a way. Again, that's not the point of the rankings game.:D

[hacksaw]

These rankings are gearing more and more towards which universities are "sikat" based on ambiguous perception. In my opinion, and I believe most people will agree with me on this, a university is good if it can produce competent and compassionate individuals whose meaningful contributions to society cannot be denied.
:)

Mind telling us here how you can measure competence, compassion and meaningful contributions to society? Your proposed criteria only make rankings more subjective and ambiguous.

[SUX2BÜ]

Of course you are correct in a way. Again, that's not the point of the rankings game.:D

Oh, and this "rankings game" does have a point, huh?

:shrug:

[cla_cbe_d_best]

Ateneo has been overtake by La Salle in research output probably five years ago.

The Global rankings game, especially the THES, is about research output and the citations from Graduate Level work. The impact of the research do no count. It is more of a quantitative game rather than a qualitative one. The qualitative nature of the research is dependent on the school itself.

Expand the graduate program, you expand your research output. Market the Graduate programs to the Undegrads so that they will go straight to Masteral work in Ateneo.

This will work with the methodology of THES but not the Shanghai rankings which is more elitist by indluding Nobel Prize and Fields Medalists.

La Salle is dead serious about its goal to be one of Asia's premiere Graduate research University. They have a two-pronged approach, expand organically and expand through acquisition of other schools with graduate programs you've never heard before. :bashful:

Take note. The people who equate the global rankings to the quality of their undergraduate studies are missing the point. Its not about you, undegrads, its about the output of professors and Graduate students.:rotflmao:

ewan ko lang ha... pero parang napaka pretentious ng taga UP na to...
ang daming grammatical glintches and lapses in his very own sentences..
:bop:

[Gising]

Oh, and this "rankings game" does have a point, huh?

:shrug:


Your school was very happy when you made it to the THES rankings right? What's that all about? Come on. let's not kid ourselves here.

:rotflmao:

[Gising]

More rankings to come. Ibigay ang hilig ng noypi.

[student_01]

ewan ko lang ha... pero parang napaka pretentious ng taga UP na to...
ang daming grammatical glintches and lapses in his very own sentences..
:bop:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :lol: :rotflmao: :bop:

[Gising]

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :lol: :rotflmao: :bop:


Isang tao lang yang si student_01 at ***_....:rotflmao:

Kawawa naman ang mga nayayaring school dahil sa dalawang to.

Yung isa La Salista daw yung isa naman Thomasian.:lol:

[cla_cbe_d_best]

^^ ewan ko sayo... di ba ikaw yung alternick na taga visaya na nag aaral kuno sa Warwick???? ewan ko lang.. wag mo akong icompare dyan kay student_01 pleaseeeeeee... taga Ateneo daw yan na na unmask na sa tsikot.com....

[Gising]

I think it would be good if the they really contribute to help for the improvement of their alma mater. But what alarmed me is the reason on why they (the Ateneo alumni ) were alarmed. Does it mean that if the other school didn't use the rankings for publicity, then they would not move?

There is nothing wrong about using the rankings to attract students.

Ginagawa naman ito ng lahat, hindi lang sa Pilipinas.

Masakit lang talaga para sa ibang mga Ateneans.

[Gising]

Wala na.. binaboy na naman ng La Salista at Thomasian (daw) ang thread.

[Attila]

There's nothing wrong with promoting one's school thru advertising. However, to do so at the expense of explicitly putting down another school is another matter. Aside from being "dirty" and unethical, it shows poor taste and poor upbringing. It contradicts the so-called Christian and 'gentlemanly' values that the school is promoting. But then again, looking at the source and their track record in sports and academics, it's not that surprising. :naughty:

The school you're referring to is obviously desperate because it's been losing to Ateneo and UP in the recruitment war of the "best and brightest" since time immemorial. Fortunately, the bright ones are not easily deceived by "falsified" and fake surveys. In other words, it's more likely that the propaganda backfired. I heard many of the alumni, especially the older ones, of that school have expressed their disgust. :D

[cla_cbe_d_best]

The school you're referring to is obviously desperate because it's been losing to Ateneo and UP in the recruitment war of the "best and brightest" since time immemorial. Fortunately, the bright ones are not easily deceived by "falsified" and fake surveys. In other words, it's more likely that the propaganda backfired. I heard many of the alumni, especially the older ones, of that school have expressed their disgust. :D

i think.. its the other way around... di ba before... Ateneans are the most active pexers here in the Academe... bragging their achievements while dishing De La Salle, UP and ust?

i browse thru the back pages of this fora and witness how pathetic the ateneans could be.... makikita mo.. puro BOBO LA SALLE, Mangyan-looking UP, tondo-uste... etc... and now.. lahat na lang ng rankings.. pangatlo ang Ateneo... :lol:

its called KARMA to the braggart ateneans.... *peace*

[ach_soo]

Its not about you, undegrads, its about the output of professors and Graduate students.:rotflmao:
Geeesh, you're as bad as the pumper. What makes a great school? First and foremost are great teachers. And for teachers to be great, they should do research and produce literature. Theat's how one could "profess" knowledge. So if you still don't know the significance of the THES methodology, you're lost.

[Caloy_O]

wait a minute, ateneo has formal exchange programs/linkages through MOAs and MOUs with foreign unis. they're not in the same league as those you name dropped above.

According to my understanding, and I could be wrong, one of the (foremost) reasons for Ateneo's recent moves in extending ties with foreign universities is to gain prestige in the academic circles, thus those reports they published on their school website were done in order to address its poor rating in world-wide ranking games. In other words, the ties were a part of its strategies to rise in the ranking league, which to me is fine. No one here is saying that a foreign school tie is useless. It sure has innate underlying benefits for both the institution and the students. However, with reasons as explicit as that of Ateneo’s for forging ties with foreign schools, don’t you think the strategy would work well in its favor if the schools they desired to be linked with are more prestigious than itself?


then again, doesn't UP have formal linkages with similar universities.

Having formal (or informal) linkage(s) with lowly-ranked or unranked schools wouldn’t hurt UP anymore, IMO, for 2 reasons. One, the forces of the member schools of the Association of Pacific Rim Universities (APRU) and AUN would vindicate UP’s position in the ranking game, though insignificantly. And two, a school rep takes time to build and takes about the same time-length to fade away. UP was already a name to recon with even before most of us here were born. My bet is UP would still be prestigious for another lifetime.

Here are the ranking of Ateneo’s allies:
Catholic University of Daegu – unranked
Fu Jen Catholic University (Taiwan) – top 400
Sogang University (Korea) – top 400
Sophia University (Japan) – unranked

Ateneo de manila – top 500





other than the occasional anecdotes and press releases, all i could find was this (http://www.upd.edu.ph/~ovcaa/oec/international.html)...how about sending us links to more information about these other partnerships? perhaps the harvards, MITs, etc of this world preferred not to be placed in the same category as these 'unknown schools' (your words)? since you appear to be an expert on all things UP (AND lasalle, mind you), please enlighten us with your wisdom, Caloy O (O for omniscient maybe?).

I cannot find the link to the website containing news about UP’s formal and informal foreign tie-ups. Even that speech of former UP president, Nemenso has been erased from my bookmarks. But there surely was a tie-up because I have read about it at least once several months ago, and I will post it here once I find it.

UPLB -- has ties with Cornell and Cambridge. It’s also an AAACU member school. http://www.agropolis.fr/pdf/iipe/velasco_presentation.pdf

UP Manila -- has ties with Johns Hopkins.

[Caloy_O]

There's nothing wrong with promoting one's school thru advertising. However, to do so at the expense of explicitly putting down another school is another matter. Aside from being "dirty" and unethical, it shows poor taste and poor upbringing. It contradicts the so-called Christian and 'gentlemanly' values that the school is promoting. But then again, looking at the source and their track record in sports and academics, it's not that surprising.

I completely agree with you, but you need to tell us which school has promoted its own name and destroyed its peer school. If that has not happened yet, it's useless to talk about it. It's futile to discuss an anticipated issue based on a resented outcome of a survey.

[Caloy_O]

Ateneo has been overtake by La Salle in research output probably five years ago.

The Global rankings game, especially the THES, is about research output and the citations from Graduate Level work. The impact of the research do no count. It is more of a quantitative game rather than a qualitative one. The qualitative nature of the research is dependent on the school itself.

Expand the graduate program, you expand your research output. Market the Graduate programs to the Undegrads so that they will go straight to Masteral work in Ateneo.

This will work with the methodology of THES but not the Shanghai rankings which is more elitist by indluding Nobel Prize and Fields Medalists.

La Salle is dead serious about its goal to be one of Asia's premiere Graduate research University. They have a two-pronged approach, expand organically and expand through acquisition of other schools with graduate programs you've never heard before. :bashful:

Take note. The people who equate the global rankings to the quality of their undergraduate studies are missing the point. Its not about you, undegrads, its about the output of professors and Graduate students.:rotflmao:


If you think THES was solely a game of quantity, you were wrong. None of the top 50 schools has a population of over 25 thousand students. Harvard, the top 1 school in THES ranking, has less than 20 thousand students. The THES data were all calculated on ratio and proportion. The number of research output was calculated against the number of grad students.

[markfroilan]

as if adding insult to injury in the 2006 uaap seniors basketball where UST bested ateneo in the best of 3 finals series(it literally ripped the eagles hearts apart like the "heart of a champion shirt" being sold in the araneta ctr during the finals and after the game?i saw that shirt torn) in the same month of october this thes-qs survey was published with DE LA SALLE UNIVERSITY toppling admu as the top 2 premiere university in the land. i mean, de la salle is doing its homework more than any other university here. UST?fr which i graduated is pleased with the results but like so many other things we still need to do much more, so congrats la salle and ateneans,,,work harder. as for UP? good day.

[markfroilan]

btw, i was the one who showed sabot(lasalista) the article while i was browsing the admu and dlsu website looking for a summer short course.

[Caloy_O]

The school you're referring to is obviously desperate because it's been losing to Ateneo and UP in the recruitment war of the "best and brightest" since time immemorial.

I know for a fact that UP and DLSU do not recruit students. They do, however, accommodate those students who want to enrol in the university.

Does that mean Ateneo recruits students? That's a shame.

[kungpow]

Star Scholarships and Oblation Scholarships, as well as Merit Scholarships are a way of recruiting the best students. In the Ateneo, there's the Ateneo Junior Summer Seminar among many others.

[PokemonSapphire]

kelan ba matatapos ang pangungutya ng Ateneo sa global rankings na yan....

hindi ba pwedeng tanggapin nalang. wala na, tapos binalik uli.....
grabe gaano naba kababa ang ateneo ngayon.

i havent heard any complaints from ust.

hay

[commoner]

kelan ba matatapos ang pangungutya ng Ateneo sa global rankings na yan....

hindi ba pwedeng tanggapin nalang. wala na, tapos binalik uli.....
grabe gaano naba kababa ang ateneo ngayon.

i havent heard any complaints from ust.

hay

this is what happens when too much ego and pride backfires....

imagine a person "so high" being hit with a brick on the face. parang wakeup call din yan sa mga masyadong mayabang at nagmamalaki na wala na sa lugar.

[Katchatore]

I know for a fact that UP and DLSU do not recruit students. They do, however, accommodate those students who want to enrol in the university.

Does that mean Ateneo recruits students? That's a shame.

That's too mean of you. You just trapped a person looking for alibis.

Come on, maybe they are really recruiting students, just as they are recruiting student-athletes.

[totoolangnaman]

http://www.admu.edu.ph/index.php?p=120&type=2&sec=29&aid=3412

....the best thing about this article is:

The alumni responded by acknowledging Ateneo’s efforts in addressing the call for global competitiveness through its various linkages and exchange programs with universities abroad. What alarmed them when the survey results came out was the manner in which the rankings were used in the promotional materials of another school.

i smell ampalaya :D

.............they weren't alarmed by their low ranking, but they were alarmed by the fact that "the rankings were used in the promotional materials of another school"..........

paano na iyung "official response" nila:

"Clearly, the survey hardly delves into what Ateneo does best: the total formation of students. There is nothing in the instrument that shows how the university has deliberately put systems in place so that its students may become nurturing persons, life-long learners, and heroic leaders, and that there have been positive outcomes reflected in its graduates. This formation for leadership is what makes Ateneo the highly regarded university that it has been for almost 150 years."

examples of their "heroic leaders" = Erap, GMA, Jose Pidal, Jocjoc Bolante..


:eek:

"win or lose, there's always an excuse!"

[cla_cbe_d_best]

nalilito na ang ateneo kung ano pang alibi ang sasabihin nila.... :lol:

hindi na nakuntento..... mabute pa ang ust accepted na nila na FOURTH placer na lang sila since 1929... :rotflmao:

[bleep01]

Im sure that UP's ranking will soar high once the UP North Science and Technology Park is operational. Kudos UP! ~ The best university in the RP. I just cant wait to see the other Eastwood City!:rotflmao:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=69413

Ayala begins work on ICT park in QC


By ZINNIA DELA PEÑA

The Philippine Star

Property giant Ayala Land Inc. broke ground Thursday on its multi-billion peso science and technology park in a property owned by the University of the Philippines along Commonwealth Avenue in Diliman, Quezon City.

The project, sitting on a 37.5-hectare property, is expected to replicate the famous Silicon Valley in California and the MIT’s Route 128 in Massachusetts.

Quezon City Mayor Feliciano "Sonny" Belmonte, who was present during the groundbreaking, expressed optimism that the project would further strengthen the thrust of the city government toward becoming the country’s information and communication technology (ICT) capital.

ALI director Mercedita Nolledo said the project, dubbed UP North Science and Technology Park, will feature all the business lines of the company which include low-rise office buildings to be complemented by supporting components such as retail, residential and hotel developments. The office building component alone is estimated to cost about P6 billion.

Nolledo said the S&T Park will pioneer business process outsourcing (BPO) campus developments in the country and set the standard for future IT parks.

Marivic Anonuevo, head of ALI’s corporate business group, said the company together with partners Goldman Sachs and Capmark, will build a total of 10 office buildings within the ICT park with the first building slated for completion in November this year.

Anonuevo said a multinational firm has expressed interest in leasing the first BPO building, which shall make available 7,000 square meters of office space. The first office building is expected to cost P1 billion.

The second building, which shall be due in February 2008, will make available a total of 20,000 square meters of office space.

Anonuevo said ALI will put up a six-story residential building and a retail strip as soon as the S&T park achieves critical mass.

The retail component shall consist of dining places, bookstore and other establishments to support the S&T park.

Belmonte said this project signals the start of what is yet to come and the growth of more communities in Quezon City with complete amenities. UP president Emerlinda Roman said the S&T Park would be an important step in strengthening the state university’s position as the leading research and development school in the country and in the region.

Companies that are expected to set-up offices at the S&T Park include those in high-technology fields like telecommunications, telematics and biotechnology, and high-value business process outsourcing such as accounting, animation, software development, design and engineering services.

To date, Quezon City enjoys the highest concentration of ICT buildings and special economic zones in the country. It is home to more than 60 BPO companies, including Convergys, eTelecare International, Teletech, Sykes Philippines, Accenture and Globalstride, Sitel Corp., Call Asia, Epixtar International, among others.

[Caloy_O]

Star Scholarships and Oblation Scholarships, as well as Merit Scholarships are a way of recruiting the best students. In the Ateneo, there's the Ateneo Junior Summer Seminar among many others.

You're probably confused of the real meaning of that word. Please know and understand the real meaning of it before you try to use that word again.

UP does not recruit students and does not need to do something like that because there were always way more wishful UP wanabes than there were actual available slots, especially in Diliman and Manila campuses. The OBLATION scholarship of UP is not a recruitment tactic like what exactly you guys implied for the true intent of the Merit Scholarship, but it is a reward system for those who did extremely well in the UPCAT. It probably would encourage these brilliant students to grab the reward (statistics show that only very, very few awardees weren’t crazy about it) because there is prestige in being an Oblation Scholar. When an oblation scholar turns down the scholarship, UP does not contact them to change their mind. The benefits of the Oblation are not transferable as well.

4 years ago, there were only 25 Merit Scholarships awarded. Then the following year, the number was increased to 30. After another year, it became 35. Last year, the number has gone up to 40. (There’s no information yet how many for this year.) That makes me wonder why the number of awardees keeps increasing almost every year. I do not know what the reason of the increase is but I remember that in 2000, the year I took the ACET, only 9 of the 25 awardees accepted the Scholarship offer. 2 of the 16 awardees left the country and all the rest went to UP. That same year, the valedictorian and the salutatorian of Ateneo high school were among the Merit Scholars. But they were not among the Oblation Scholars. But they both decided to go to UP.







they were not recruited, BTW.

[ferrisb]

If you think THES was solely a game of quantity, you were wrong. None of the top 50 schools has a population of over 25 thousand students. Harvard, the top 1 school in THES ranking, has less than 20 thousand students. The THES data were all calculated on ratio and proportion. The number of research output was calculated against the number of grad students.

wow, an expert on US schools as well. UTexas-Austin has over 50k students.

[ferrisb]

You're probably confused of the real meaning of that word. Please know and understand the real meaning of it before you try to use that word again.

UP does not recruit students and does not need to do something like that because there were always way more wishful UP wanabes than there were actual available slots, especially in Diliman and Manila campuses. The OBLATION scholarship of UP is not a recruitment tactic like what exactly you guys implied for the true intent of the Merit Scholarship, but it is a reward system for those who did extremely well in the UPCAT. It probably would encourage these brilliant students to grab the reward (statistics show that only very, very few awardees weren’t crazy about it) because there is prestige in being an Oblation Scholar. When an oblation scholar turns down the scholarship, UP does not contact them to change their mind. The benefits of the Oblation are not transferable as well.

etc, blah, worthless drivel, etc.


academic scholarships are to smart students as sports scholarships are to athletes. scholarships are ways to 'recruit' students.

you are the finest hair splitter though. good job.

news flash. 'recruitment' is used widely by US schools in the same way that Kungpow is using it. Here are a couple of articles from schools you so carefully name dropped.

from Stanford: http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/94/940111Arc4507.html
here's another one from MIT . look at the title. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/mityou/fall_recruitment_travel_schedule/
another one from MIT. interesting read about MIT's mission too. http://www-tech.mit.edu/V117/N25/hove.25c.html

i know because i was personally recruited by UT-Austin (did the tour, offered teaching assistantship, was given in-state tuition, the works) vs other MBA programs (UMichigan, Virginia equally impressive programs but offered fewer ehem perks).

btw, i did you a favor and told the authors/site owners to immediately consult you on the exegesis and meaning of the word. i gave them your email address -- Caloy_O@ihavenolife.com. expect an email soon.

[Bomber]

Galing!! Supalpal!! :bash:

[MissDaisy]

I completely agree with you, but you need to tell us which school has promoted its own name and destroyed its peer school. If that has not happened yet, it's useless to talk about it. It's futile to discuss an anticipated issue based on a resented outcome of a survey.

There has been negative adverstising done. Just ask the incoming college freshmen or read some of the previous ads (eg Dec. 10, 2006) in the newspapers. Obviously, you haven't been exposed to it or you're just completely deft, clueless, and oblivious. That's what happens when you're too immersed in your medical studies.

[Caloy_O]

academic scholarships are to smart students as sports scholarships are to athletes. scholarships are ways to 'recruit' students.

you are the finest hair splitter though. good job.

news flash. 'recruitment' is used widely by US schools in the same way that Kungpow is using it. Here are a couple of articles from schools you so carefully name dropped.

from Stanford: http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/94/940111Arc4507.html
here's another one from MIT . look at the title. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/mityou/fall_recruitment_travel_schedule/
another one from MIT. interesting read about MIT's mission too. http://www-tech.mit.edu/V117/N25/hove.25c.html

i know because i was personally recruited by UT-Austin (did the tour, offered teaching assistantship, was given in-state tuition, the works) vs other MBA programs (UMichigan, Virginia equally impressive programs but offered fewer ehem perks).

btw, i did you a favor and told the authors/site owners to immediately consult you on the exegesis and meaning of the word. i gave them your email address -- Caloy_O@ihavenolife.com. expect an email soon.

Well, if we are in the US, then I guess there’s some truth to what you said. But the problem is we’re not there. We are here in the PHILIPPINES and we’re talking about the actual scenarios here, not the actual scenarios there or wherever your illusion has brought you to.

And thank you for those links. But you should never have bothered posting them here because they have no value to our discussion.

Listen, there’s a plethora of dissimilarities on the management style and ethos employed to academic institutions in the US and the Philippines. And for someone who claimed he has gone to both worlds should have been the first person to have known it (or is the “i know because i was personally recruited by UT-Austin” was just a wild fantasy all along?) So, if you want to be realistic, talk about matters that are actually happening right here on our own backyards. Let’s keep this discussion simple, let’s keep this real.

Now, let me tell you why the word “recruitment” is not appropriate for UP’s case.

One – UP has no funds to accommodate more students more so to recruit more students.
UP is a government subsidized school. But the government which subsidizes UP is a dirt poor government. As a result it’s constantly been beleaguered by huge budgetary constraints. So, even if UP wishes to accommodate more students, it cannot do so because of budget problems.

Two – UP is a top school and has many more students wanting to get in than there are available slots.
UP has a long tradition of academic excellence. It is very well-known and has a huge fan base. And talking about “splitting hair” once more -- UP is not just popular, it’s the number one academic institution of higher learning in the country. There’s a difference between popular and being number one in academics and only if you’re good enough to catch phrases would you know what I’m meaning just like I expected you have discerned why I needed to emphasize recruitment is not the same as plain accommodation of students which you failed to get it, BTW.

Three – UP is not commercialized, at least not yet at the moment.
UP, perhaps unlike any other, is an academic institution, first and foremost, and it has always portrayed itself as such. An academic institution, as its very nature, does not RECRUIT students or get itself involved in luring cross-admits students.

Four – UP has always had very high enrolment yield.
It is no secret that Ateneo and many private schools suffer from poor enrolment yield. I know this is Ateneo’s problem too since time immemorial that’s probably why the school has to resort to a vigorous war for those cross-admit students.

[Caloy_O]

wow, an expert on US schools as well. UTexas-Austin has over 50k students.


You are quite correct in saying that UT-Austin has a student population of over 50k, so that makes only 49 out of the top 50 schools then. There, I changed it. I hope you're happy now.

[Caloy_O]

Galing!! Supalpal!!

They said the Ateneans have the gift of gab. They are generally well known for their eloquence and flamboyant wordings. I somehow expect you live with those abilities. Don't embarrass your alma mater school. Use those abilities.

[Caloy_O]

There has been negative adverstising done.

You kept saying this and I kept saying to you, "where is it?"



Just ask the incoming college freshmen or read some of the previous ads (eg Dec. 10, 2006) in the newspapers. Obviously, you haven't been exposed to it or you're just completely deft, clueless, and oblivious. That's what happens when you're too immersed in your medical studies.

I find it odd you are accusing me of being oblivious when, as a moderator, you clearly are so pro-Ateneo (on any and every issue, angle, argument, etc.), frankly, it's downright embarrassing.

I have backed up my statements with facts whenever necessary or possible. I don't think I have stepped out of bounds in presenting my case. this is now the time to do your part to present the real facts. Don't embarrass your beloved Ateneo. The Jesuits might disown you.

[Gising]

Geeesh, you're as bad as the pumper. What makes a great school? First and foremost are great teachers. And for teachers to be great, they should do research and produce literature. Theat's how one could "profess" knowledge. So if you still don't know the significance of the THES methodology, you're lost.

Mahina palang umintindi ito. Did I say anything that contradicts your statement about great professors do make great univeristies. :rotflmao:

Are you willing to discuss the Shangahai Ranking Methodology? Wala school mo dun. Nobel and Fields medalists na professor kasama dun. In fact Williams College was duly recognized in the said ranking contrary to their non-inclusion in the THES. Williams College daw? Ano yun?Mas Magaling pala ang tutut na skul sa Pinas kesa dun ...:rotflmao:

[MissDaisy]

You kept saying this and I kept saying to you, "where is it?"


Please do your own research. Sayang ang pagka-vale mo in high school. Taga UPM ka pa naman.

Read the article in the first post of this thread that referred to a certain school's 'misuse' of the survey. Please keep in mind that it's already a well known fact that the input in the said survey (eg student population, among others) is highly inaccurate. You can also visit the thread on "THES Explains Results......" If you want to do more research, please go to the DLSU section in the "Campus" part of PEx, then go to the thread about "Acceptance Letter."

Now, do you still want me to continue spoonfeeding you? Are you on a summer break or something? Why, all of a sudden, do you have time to post in PEx after a long absence? Are you looking for your friend from Warwick U.?


I find it odd you are accusing me of being oblivious when, as a moderator, you clearly are so pro-Ateneo (on any and every issue, angle, argument, etc.), frankly, it's downright embarrassing.


Don't flatter me. I'm not the moderator. You're confusing me with Miss Ada. I'm much younger and prett....... hehehe. :lol:


I have backed up my statements with facts whenever necessary or possible. I don't think I have stepped out of bounds in presenting my case. this is now the time to do your part to present the real facts. Don't embarrass your beloved Ateneo. The Jesuits might disown you.

What facts? Half truths are not facts. Arguing based on faulty reasoning and semantics leads nowhere. As a poet once says --

"Words are like leaves and, where they most abound, much fruit of sense beneath is rarely found."


Carry on with your yadda yaddaaa yaadddaaaa yaddaaaa :bop:

[Gising]

If you think THES was solely a game of quantity, you were wrong. None of the top 50 schools has a population of over 25 thousand students. Harvard, the top 1 school in THES ranking, has less than 20 thousand students. The THES data were all calculated on ratio and proportion. The number of research output was calculated against the number of grad students.

Exactly.

Ratio and proportion. The more graduate students and faculty doing research, the better.

It's about the quantity of research output against grad. students. Clear?

[hacksaw]

There's nothing wrong with promoting one's school thru advertising. However, to do so at the expense of explicitly putting down another school is another matter. Aside from being "dirty" and unethical, it shows poor taste and poor upbringing. It contradicts the so-called Christian and 'gentlemanly' values that the school is promoting. But then again, looking at the source and their track record in sports and academics, it's not that surprising. :naughty:

Ever hear JGSOM's Rudy Ang's spiel during the orientation of prospective freshmen and their parents? Instead of taking the high ground by focusing Ateneo's strengths he explicitly,year in and year out, he goes through that same routine of putting down both UP and DLSU.(BTW he goes though his spiel with Fr. Ben and Fr. Nemy in attendance) A number of parents got pissed (my parents included) when I attended several years back. A cousin who went through last year's orientation tells me Ang continues with that same routine. No wonder enrollemnt yield continues to drop.

[ferrisb]

You are quite correct in saying that UT-Austin has a student population of over 50k, so that makes only 49 out of the top 50 schools then. There, I changed it. I hope you're happy now.

no moron. just pointing out how sloppy you are with your arguments. there are more universities like UT out there.

[Gising]

Ever hear JGSOM's Rudy Ang's spiel during the orientation of prospective freshmen and their parents? Instead of taking the high ground by focusing Ateneo's strengths he explicitly,year in and year out, he goes through that same routine of putting down both UP and DLSU.(BTW he goes though his spiel with Fr. Ben and Fr. Nemy in attendance) A number of parents got pissed (my parents included) when I attended several years back. A cousin who went through last year's orientation tells me Ang continues with that same routine. No wonder enrollemnt yield continues to drop.

This is really sad. Before it was La Salle who had this fixation with anything Ateneo. Now it's different.

While La Salle expanded their Post-graduate Program, Ateneo continued to focus on the undergraduate level . The continued to compete with UP in getting the best and the brightest hs students. La Salle on the otherhand, focused their attention on their Graduate Level Programs.

See the results now. La Salle, a very young institution, but well respected in the country......in the academic circle at least.... (don't bring up their sports program...that's a different story..:) )

[Gising]

Ever hear JGSOM's Rudy Ang's spiel during the orientation of prospective freshmen and their parents? Instead of taking the high ground by focusing Ateneo's strengths he explicitly,year in and year out, he goes through that same routine of putting down both UP and DLSU.(BTW he goes though his spiel with Fr. Ben and Fr. Nemy in attendance) A number of parents got pissed (my parents included) when I attended several years back. A cousin who went through last year's orientation tells me Ang continues with that same routine. No wonder enrollemnt yield continues to drop.

Wala bang video niyan para makita sa PEX.:mecry:

[ferrisb]

Well, if we are in the US, then I guess there’s some truth to what you said. But the problem is we’re not there. We are here in the PHILIPPINES and we’re talking about the actual scenarios here, not the actual scenarios there or wherever your illusion has brought you to.

And thank you for those links. But you should never have bothered posting them here because they have no value to our discussion.

Listen, there’s a plethora of dissimilarities on the management style and ethos employed to academic institutions in the US and the Philippines. And for someone who claimed he has gone to both worlds should have been the first person to have known it (or is the “i know because i was personally recruited by UT-Austin” was just a wild fantasy all along?) So, if you want to be realistic, talk about matters that are actually happening right here on our own backyards. Let’s keep this discussion simple, let’s keep this real.

Now, let me tell you why the word “recruitment” is not appropriate for UP’s case.

One – UP has no funds to accommodate more students more so to recruit more students.
UP is a government subsidized school. But the government which subsidizes UP is a dirt poor government. As a result it’s constantly been beleaguered by huge budgetary constraints. So, even if UP wishes to accommodate more students, it cannot do so because of budget problems.

Two – UP is a top school and has many more students wanting to get in than there are available slots.
UP has a long tradition of academic excellence. It is very well-known and has a huge fan base. And talking about “splitting hair” once more -- UP is not just popular, it’s the number one academic institution of higher learning in the country. There’s a difference between popular and being number one in academics and only if you’re good enough to catch phrases would you know what I’m meaning just like I expected you have discerned why I needed to emphasize recruitment is not the same as plain accommodation of students which you failed to get it, BTW.

Three – UP is not commercialized, at least not yet at the moment.
UP, perhaps unlike any other, is an academic institution, first and foremost, and it has always portrayed itself as such. An academic institution, as its very nature, does not RECRUIT students or get itself involved in luring cross-admits students.

Four – UP has always had very high enrolment yield.
It is no secret that Ateneo and many private schools suffer from poor enrolment yield. I know this is Ateneo’s problem too since time immemorial that’s probably why the school has to resort to a vigorous war for those cross-admit students.

"let's keep this real." funny.

blahblahblahblahblah. palusot. you didn't get my point, Caloy_O.

if you doubt my UT claim, we can make this interesting. i'm willing to wager my entire year's salary against your baon for the year. also willing to take side bets from posters here. all i need to do is post my transcript. you can also do a search online with UT's database. what say you? call my bluff? we can make everyone here richer. at your expense of course.

[MissDaisy]

Ever hear JGSOM's Rudy Ang's spiel during the orientation of prospective freshmen and their parents? Instead of taking the high ground by focusing Ateneo's strengths he explicitly,year in and year out, he goes through that same routine of putting down both UP and DLSU.(BTW he goes though his spiel with Fr. Ben and Fr. Nemy in attendance) A number of parents got pissed (my parents included) when I attended several years back. A cousin who went through last year's orientation tells me Ang continues with that same routine. No wonder enrollemnt yield continues to drop.

Yes, I've heard Rudy talk during the Orientation. As a matter of fact, I was there with my younger sister during the March 3rd JGSOM Orientation. I don't think he badmouthed UP and DLSU at all. What he did was differentiate Ateneo's management program from those of UP and DLSU. He didn't speak negatively of UP and DLSU but he did highlight Ateneo's strengths and different focus/philosophy. At the end of the day, it's really up to the attendees and listeners to decide for themselves. As for me and my sister, we thought Rudy did quite a good job of selling JGSOM. (By the way, we also attended DLSU's orientation on March 17th, and speaking of badmouthing and hard sell, that one is something else for the record books.)

[ach_soo]

Mahina palang umintindi ito. Did I say anything that contradicts your statement about great professors do make great univeristies. :rotflmao:

Are you willing to discuss the Shangahai Ranking Methodology? Wala school mo dun. Nobel and Fields medalists na professor kasama dun. In fact Williams College was duly recognized in the said ranking contrary to their non-inclusion in the THES. Williams College daw? Ano yun?Mas Magaling pala ang tutut na skul sa Pinas kesa dun ...:rotflmao:

tsk-tsk. Hindi kita maintindihan? Hindi nga. :rotflmao:

If you insist on this line of excuse: that UP and Lasalle have over-invested in graduate studies and research, while some dinky school focuses on molding undergraduates purely for undergraduate-level of intellectual development, then I would know that the THES rating is effective. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[1958mb180d]

Ever hear JGSOM's Rudy Ang's spiel during the orientation of prospective freshmen and their parents? Instead of taking the high ground by focusing Ateneo's strengths he explicitly,year in and year out, he goes through that same routine of putting down both UP and DLSU.(BTW he goes though his spiel with Fr. Ben and Fr. Nemy in attendance) A number of parents got pissed (my parents included) when I attended several years back. A cousin who went through last year's orientation tells me Ang continues with that same routine. No wonder enrollemnt yield continues to drop.
one reason for admu's continuous drop in enrollment is value of money. with high tuition fees, you would definitely expect great facilities and computerized procedures for all departments and colleges. but what do they get? not even on-line enrollment. tuition fee raises per year are questionable. this is their way of making up for low enrollment yield

[hacksaw]

Yes, I've heard Rudy talk during the Orientation. As a matter of fact, I was there with my younger sister during the March 3rd JGSOM Orientation. I don't think he badmouthed UP and DLSU at all. What he did was differentiate Ateneo's management program from those of UP and DLSU. He didn't speak negatively of UP and DLSU but he did highlight Ateneo's strengths and different focus/philosophy. At the end of the day, it's really up to the attendees and listeners to decide for themselves. As for me and my sister, we thought Rudy did quite a good job of selling JGSOM. (By the way, we also attended DLSU's orientation on March 17th, and speaking of badmouthing and hard sell, that one is something else for the record books.)

Well its good to hear that he toned down his speech at least for this year. I understand several alumni-parents over the years have written Fr. Ben about this. I personally know of someone who was about to stand up and challenge Rudy's pronouncements but was prevailed upon by his daughter (dad please not here :mecry: ) and his wife who happened to be an alum.

[kungpow]

You're probably confused of the real meaning of that word. Please know and understand the real meaning of it before you try to use that word again.

UP does not recruit students and does not need to do something like that because there were always way more wishful UP wanabes than there were actual available slots, especially in Diliman and Manila campuses. The OBLATION scholarship of UP is not a recruitment tactic like what exactly you guys implied for the true intent of the Merit Scholarship, but it is a reward system for those who did extremely well in the UPCAT. It probably would encourage these brilliant students to grab the reward (statistics show that only very, very few awardees weren’t crazy about it) because there is prestige in being an Oblation Scholar. When an oblation scholar turns down the scholarship, UP does not contact them to change their mind. The benefits of the Oblation are not transferable as well.

4 years ago, there were only 25 Merit Scholarships awarded. Then the following year, the number was increased to 30. After another year, it became 35. Last year, the number has gone up to 40. (There’s no information yet how many for this year.) That makes me wonder why the number of awardees keeps increasing almost every year. I do not know what the reason of the increase is but I remember that in 2000, the year I took the ACET, only 9 of the 25 awardees accepted the Scholarship offer. 2 of the 16 awardees left the country and all the rest went to UP. That same year, the valedictorian and the salutatorian of Ateneo high school were among the Merit Scholars. But they were not among the Oblation Scholars. But they both decided to go to UP.







they were not recruited, BTW.


Gee, I wonder where all the anger and sarcasm came from.

Isn't it enticing somebody with scholarships and the prestige of being called an oblation scholar a form of recruitment? Reward for what? Doing good in their high school? Doing good in the UPCAT? Does anybody in the real world care about your high school or UPCAT grades? Again, to reward what? Why would the school reward you with your secondary studies and UPCAT grade? Or is it to encourage you to go to UP? Of course it is to encourage top students to go to UP.

And by that, shouldn't it be seen as a way to attract the best students possible? And isn't attracting the best students possible a form of recruitment? Of course it is plain recruitment.

Did I imply that the merit scholarships and oblation scholarships are the same? Maybe you overread what I wrote?

Did I even imply that the AJSS and merit scholarships are the same?

[kungpow]

What's soooo wrong about investing in undergraduate studies in the first placE???? You guys make it sound like its bad...Some of you were undergrads too (or are still undergrads) and wouldn't you feel better that a school is investing on the best possible undergraduate experience you can have?

I know I would.

I'd go to the U.S. for my graduate studies since I have a good undergraduate education hehehehehe.

[Gising]

What's soooo wrong about investing in undergraduate studies in the first placE???? You guys make it sound like its bad...Some of you were undergrads too (or are still undergrads) and wouldn't you feel better that a school is investing on the best possible undergraduate experience you can have?

I know I would.

I'd go to the U.S. for my graduate studies since I have a good undergraduate education hehehehehe.


Ateneo may have the best undergraduate experience. That may be true.

La Salle made it a point to invest more in Graduate level research ouput rather than compete with Ateneo on the undergrad level.

The difference of the ACET with La Salles entrance exam is self-evident. Even to the La Sallians.

See, you got a great undegrad experience in Ateneo. But you will go abroad to get your Masters.(Pwedeng wala kasi sa Ateneo/sa Pilipinas ng gusto mong Grad Program).

You are one of those Ateneans who could have increased the research output of Ateneo in the Graduate level.*okay*

[Gising]

tsk-tsk. Hindi kita maintindihan? Hindi nga. :rotflmao:

If you insist on this line of excuse: that UP and Lasalle have over-invested in graduate studies and research, while some dinky school focuses on molding undergraduates purely for undergraduate-level of intellectual development, then I would know that the THES rating is effective. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Is it hard to accept that a dinky school with so so undegrad students have overtaken Ateneo in the global rankings?

Ateneo has a first rate undegrad experience. But La Salle looked beyond that and invested more in the Graduate program. While you were competing with UP on attracting the Vale and Salu, La Salle (c/o the late Bro. Andrew) focused on Graduate Research.

The school is now reaping the rewards.

Just two of the many ways Ateneo can paly catch-up with La Salle:

1. Increase Graduate level research output. Ergo, invest more in the gradute level programs while maitaining the qaulity of the undegrad.

2. Improve the student-teacher ratio and insist that the THES use the correct faculty-student ratio for the next ranking.:D

This is why I have always insisted on using the Shanghai rankings. The THES can easily be manipulated.

Unfortunately, misguided Ateneo alumni continue to make a big deal out of THES ranking.

Why not the Shanghai rankings which is widely used for bragging rights by international universities? Because no Filipino school is included.:love:

[ach_soo]

Think of it this way: in two international surveys, UP got a reasonable score in Asia and got top-1 in the Philippines. In a third third, it didn't make it to the list (and neither did any Philippine school). So right now, UP's batting average is 67% of making it to a list and possible 100% of making top-1 Philippines. Leave it at that.

What, you're now saying it's the survey that shut out all Philippine universities that really matter? Are you from Ateneo? If yes, do all Ateneans think like you? How do your teachers train you to think? Do they consider you and Ateneo's rankings consistent with their teaching methods, and their development thrust? Are you sure you want to discuss these things with people in a public forum? Are you past puberty?

[Caloy_O]

Please do your own research. Sayang ang pagka-vale mo in high school. Taga UPM ka pa naman.
:

ferrisb
o moron. just pointing out how sloppy you are with your arguments. there are more universities like UT out there.

This glaring epidemic that has infected some elder ateneo alumni is a great cause of alarm, not those other schools' businesses. Somehow these elders, who are expected be examples of modesty, are now the initiators of arrogance and crudeness. Take a look at this one elder who self-confessed to have studied abroad -- he can't seem to express himself without insulting his opponent. And so that keeps me wonder if he actually received education from the schools he allegedly attended. Tsk-tsk-tsk.

I hope this discussion continues without insults and derogatory remarks even if the topic gets too deep.

[Caloy_O]

Gee, I wonder where all the anger and sarcasm came from.

Isn't it enticing somebody with scholarships and the prestige of being called an oblation scholar a form of recruitment? Reward for what? Doing good in their high school? Doing good in the UPCAT? Does anybody in the real world care about your high school or UPCAT grades? Again, to reward what? Why would the school reward you with your secondary studies and UPCAT grade? Or is it to encourage you to go to UP? Of course it is to encourage top students to go to UP.

And by that, shouldn't it be seen as a way to attract the best students possible? And isn't attracting the best students possible a form of recruitment? Of course it is plain recruitment.

Did I imply that the merit scholarships and oblation scholarships are the same? Maybe you overread what I wrote?

Did I even imply that the AJSS and merit scholarships are the same?

Kungpow, the term "recruitment" used in US universities normally refers to an exploited means to win in the battles of getting more cross-admit students. Schools like Princeton and Yale employ the greatest possible advantage to steal out Harvard-bound students. But I'm telling you that this kind of game is NOT the kind of game UP plays. Maybe some private schools are into this, and it was you who, in fact, hinted on us that Ateneo is into this too all along and you made the Merit Scholarship as its tool to play this game successfully. So after seeing that Ateneo struggles in enrolment yield, I began to think there's absolutely no reason not to believe you. However, I think Ateneo is playing this game with DLSU, its rival school, not with UP.

The Oblation Scholarship was created with a nobler objective than to compete with Ateneo winning in the recruitment battles. Further, the Oblation Scholarship was born way older than the Merit Scholarship. And never was there an instance where UP was threatened by any school in enrollment yield of cross admit students. In fact, UP increased its tuition, a clear message to everyone that UP does not have a problem in getting students.

I hate to say this but a recruitment war against UP will always be a one-sided war. Although Ateneo can always challenge UP is some areas, that’s just how far it can go – challenge. But with UP’s prestige and vast resources, it can never win a war against UP.

[Caloy_O]

no moron. just pointing out how sloppy you are with your arguments. there are more universities like UT out there.

Maybe, but certainly not those in the top 20 like Harvard, Cambridge, Stanford, MIT and Caltech which I was supposed to mean in the first place. Perhaps UCBerkeley was the only school in the elite tier that has a student population of over 25k.

[Caloy_O]

"let's keep this real." funny.

blahblahblahblahblah. palusot. you didn't get my point, Caloy_O.
That's funny because that's what I think too.


if you doubt my UT claim, we can make this interesting. i'm willing to wager my entire year's salary against your baon for the year. also willing to take side bets from posters here. all i need to do is post my transcript. you can also do a search online with UT's database. what say you? call my bluff? we can make everyone here richer. at your expense of course.

The funny thing here is, anyone can add something to his resume and get away with it. UT-Austin now. I wonder which school will you use next. :D

[kungpow]

Kungpow, the term "recruitment" used in US universities normally refers to an exploited means to win in the battles of getting more cross-admit students. Schools like Princeton and Yale employ the greatest possible advantage to steal out Harvard-bound students. But I'm telling you that this kind of game is NOT the kind of game UP plays. Maybe some private schools are into this, and it was you who, in fact, hinted on us that Ateneo is into this too all along and you made the Merit Scholarship as its tool to play this game successfully. So after seeing that Ateneo struggles in enrolment yield, I began to think there's absolutely no reason not to believe you. However, I think Ateneo is playing this game with DLSU, its rival school, not with UP.

The Oblation Scholarship was created with a nobler objective than to compete with Ateneo winning in the recruitment battles. Further, the Oblation Scholarship was born way older than the Merit Scholarship. And never was there an instance where UP was threatened by any school in enrollment yield of cross admit students. In fact, UP increased its tuition, a clear message to everyone that UP does not have a problem in getting students.

I hate to say this but a recruitment war against UP will always be a one-sided war. Although Ateneo can always challenge UP is some areas, that’s just how far it can go – challenge. But with UP’s prestige and vast resources, it can never win a war against UP.


Again, again, overreading what I wrote. How can I argue with someone who always overinterprets what I say. Accusing me of things that are baseless. Anyway, its up to you to look foolish while defending good ol' UP.

[Caloy_O]

What's soooo wrong about investing in undergraduate studies in the first placE???? You guys make it sound like its bad...Some of you were undergrads too (or are still undergrads) and wouldn't you feel better that a school is investing on the best possible undergraduate experience you can have?

I know I would.

I'd go to the U.S. for my graduate studies since I have a good undergraduate education hehehehehe.

Nothing. There's nothing wrong in investing and focusing on undergrad level. in fact, some of the finest schools in the US are focused on the ugrad level. they may not be found in global ranking leagues, they are however quite respected as an ugrad education provider. good example are: Amherst, Williams, Olin and the Claremont schools. Well, if Ateneo is geared towards this direction, it has to be ready for the consequences rather than complain that it's not doing well in the ranking game.

[Caloy_O]

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[Caloy_O]

Again, again, overreading what I wrote. How can I argue with someone who always overinterprets what I say. Accusing me of things that are baseless. Anyway, its up to you to look foolish while defending good ol' UP.

Kungpow, sorry the last post wasn't mine. that was from my friends.

How can you say that i have over interpreted you or your meaning of the word when all I'm saying is the word "recruitment" is not appropriate for UP's case but only to those schools who do things with a specific purpose to entice students to enrol in the university. If the Oblation Scholarship was designed for that purpose and UP does actually calls up those accepted students who did not confirm their slots, then I would not have protested. But that's not that case.

[Gising]

Nothing. There's nothing wrong in investing and focusing on undergrad level. in fact, some of the finest schools in the US are focused on the ugrad level. they may not be found in global ranking leagues, they are however quite respected as an ugrad education provider. good example are: Amherst, Williams, Olin and the Claremont schools. Well, if Ateneo is geared towards this direction, it has to be ready for the consequences rather than complain that it's not doing well in the ranking game.


Agree. I have nothing more to say.

Dartmouth and Boston College. Wait..are they already included in the rankings?

[ferrisb]

This glaring epidemic that has infected some elder ateneo alumni is a great cause of alarm, not those other schools' businesses. Somehow these elders, who are expected be examples of modesty, are now the initiators of arrogance and crudeness. Take a look at this one elder who self-confessed to have studied abroad -- he can't seem to express himself without insulting his opponent. And so that keeps me wonder if he actually received education from the schools he allegedly attended. Tsk-tsk-tsk.

I hope this discussion continues without insults and derogatory remarks even if the topic gets too deep.

epidemic schmepidemic. did i hurt your feelings? awww. okay, i apologize. i don't normally resort to ad hominems. i do sometimes. especially when arguing with adults with the brain power of a bear trap.

besides, you insulted me by calling me an elder. i'm not that much older than you? unless you're twelve or somewhere in that zip code. on second thought, your thoughts are as incoherent as my 12 year old niece.

[ferrisb]

The funny thing here is, anyone can add something to his resume and get away with it. UT-Austin now. I wonder which school will you use next. :D

is that the best you can do? counterargue by calling me a liar. Cmon Caloy. THINK. if i'm going to make stuff up, i might as well go all the way and say wharton, or Kellogg or Harvard. not some school that's relatively unknown to pinoy MBA seekers (when i was there, i was the only pinoy. Ahead of me were two pinoys -- one each from UP and Ateneo. Two more came after me -- both from UP).

psst, here's another secret, victory didn't really finish at Wharton, and Kuya Danny didn't really finish at Umich.

[totoolangnaman]

elders? katulad nila Erap, Enrile, Jose Pidal, Jocjoc Bolante? *okay*

The younger ateneans like Adel "stealing is less worse than cheating" Tamano, Mikey Arroyo and Jinggoy Estrada are following the examples of their atenean elders. :rotflmao:

[leverage17]

Ateneo has problems of their own, possibly even more. Let them choose possible ways to settle or relinquish it. We've been too enamored by this ranking issue.The De La Salle on the other hand, also has a lot of problems it's trying to battle.

I personally would not be surprized if Ateneans would create such action plans especially when a young institution (hasn't even reached 100 years) and rival like De La Salle outranked the old Ateneo. The La Salle is sanguine as it victor over Ateneo but this scenario in the latter could feasibly suggest a "moral hazard" for DLSU. Nonetheless, The Great Greens are the MORE triumphant.

Goodluck to our blue-blooded partners!:p
Hail to De La Salle! Endlessly Victorious

[kungpow]

How many times do you need to post that leverage17?

I dunno, but have you guys thought about the possibility that those Ateneans who continued to graduate school didn't choose Ateneo because they're so well-trained that they got into graduate schools in other countries? I know at least a dozen people from college who are in foreign countries now doing their graduate studies...

:D

But yeah, UP Diliman's research in science and engineering is way too good as against other universities in the country.

[Gising]

How many times do you need to post that leverage17?

I dunno, but have you guys thought about the possibility that those Ateneans who continued to graduate school didn't choose Ateneo because they're so well-trained that they got into graduate schools in other countries? I know at least a dozen people from college who are in foreign countries now doing their graduate studies...

:D

But yeah, UP Diliman's research in science and engineering is way too good as against other universities in the country.

This is where I agree with you. Ateneo offers the best undergraduate experience that enables the students to enter Graduate Studies in the best foreign universities of the world.
Rather than studying in low-ranked Graduate research universities in the country (which includes Ateneo's Graduate schools :depressed: ), Ateneo undergrads prefer only the best in the world.:D

Accept that that the rankings did not consider what Ateneo can offer. However, La Sallians should also realize that the battle for the best and brightest undergrads is really between Ateneo and UP.In the global rankings, all our schools are really not prominent. We are way behind some other Third World countries like powerhouse China and India Accept that fact. *peace*

[leverage17]

This is where I agree with you. Ateneo offers the best undergraduate experience that enables the students to enter Graduate Studies in the best foreign universities of the world.
Rather than studying in low-ranked Graduate research universities in the country (which includes Ateneo's Graduate schools :depressed: ), Ateneo undergrads prefer only the best in the world.:D

Accept that that the rankings did not consider what Ateneo can offer. However, La Sallians should also realize that the battle for the best and brightest undergrads is really between Ateneo and UP.In the global rankings, all our schools are really not prominent. We are way behind some other Third World countries like powerhouse China and India Accept that fact. *peace*

Not only Ateneans, most La Sallites as well who can really afford, if not through a scholarship pursue graduate studies to various countries abroad. Top choices are Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, NUS, Tokyo U, Waseda U, the University of Hong Kong, Tufts University, MIT, and others. Some of my colleague preferred Weichester and other universities in Europe depending on their interests and expertise.

As I've noticed, most graduates of DLSU who go or went abroad for further studies earned degrees in Economics, Business degrees, Literature, and Philosphy. While, La Sallites who have desired to pursue Bachelor of Laws go to UP and universities in the US like New York U, Stanford, Harvard etc. (for really bright students) and Ateneo Law School for average graduates.

BRIGHTEST undergrads?- UP or ADMU, okay maybe

but The BEST- I guess it's between UP and DLSU

Bright scholars who want to take up Engineering, would they prefer ADMU? - Answer is NO, he/she would choose between UP and DLSU

Intelligent H.S. students who want to take up Accountancy, will they go to ADMU- Answer is NO, the student would chose between DLSU and UP. (ADMU we are aware has no ACCtng program)

Clever techie students, will they choose ADMU?- Maybe, but most would prefer DLSU, Mapua or UP

How about WHiz kids who are not really sure what to pursue in college?- UP, ADMU, DLSU okay

Most multi-national if not, local or international companies would comment that DLSU graduates are not only bright and assertive. They are critical thinkers and are able to apply in practice their acquired knowledge not like others who morally or purely base their knowledge on methodologies and lousy philosophies. :)

[rising1genius]

Ateneo forges linkages with Europe

Caloy:


In line with the university’s internationalization thrust, Ateneo continues to broaden its collaboration and linkages with European universities. Representatives from the Embassies of Netherlands, France and Italy were received by Ateneo on March 12 to 13, 2007 to discuss cooperation between their universities and Ateneo.

On March 12, His Excellency Robert Vernis, Ambassador of Netherlands to the Philippines, met with Ateneo President Bienvenido F. Nebres, SJ, to discuss future academic linkages. Dr. Antonette Palma-Angeles, academic vice president; Dr. Assunta Cuyegkeng, VP for the Loyola Schools; Fr. Jose Cruz, SJ, dean, School of Social Sciences; Dr. Ma. Leovino Garcia, dean, School of Humanities; Dr. Antonio G.M. La Viña, dean, Ateneo School of Government; Dr. Violet Valdez, acting chair, Department of Communication; and Mr. Glenn de Leon, assistant to the academic vice president, were also present to talk about possible programs of their schools.



The Ateneo School of Government (ASG) is interested in Netherlands’ programs on adaptation and climate change which can enhance its programs in good governance. On the other hand, Ambassador Vernis and Father Cruz explored the possibility faculty exchange between Dutch universities and Ateneo. Father Cruz would also want to open a window of opportunity to the European Studies students which will expose them to the Dutch culture.

In addition, Dr. Angeles discussed the possibility of sending Ateneo Law School students to study for a short period in the Netherlands in order to be exposed to a value-based law system. The ambassador also promised to send information regarding a 6-month fellowship program in the Netherlands for students and faculty.

On March 13, Loyola Schools administrators headed by Fr. Nebres welcomed the French Embassy delegation, Mr. George Gaston Feydeau, Counselor for Cooperation and Cultural Affairs, and Ms. Alix Lavaud, Linguistic Attaché.



Discussed during the gathering are the opportunities for linkage with FNEGE, France’s Association of Business Schools. The linkage will help the academic collaboration with different management schools in France. Each party was also updated with the latest events and programs concerning the academic cooperation between France and the Philippines.

Students and faculty members of the School of Social Sciences and the School of Humanities were encouraged to join graduate programs in France.
Mr. Feydeau was very helpful in suggesting organizations to work with to develop programs and linkages in Europe.

French Universities have been valuable partners to Ateneo. They send the most number of exchange students. For school year 2006-2007, a total of 25 French students came to Ateneo under an exchange program. Likewise, many of our students choose France as their priority study abroad destination for Junior Term Abroad program.

Italian Embassy’s cultural attaché, Mrs. Emanuela Adesisni, expressed her enthusiasm in having future tie-ups between Ateneo and Italian Universities. Dr. Angeles, together with Fr. Rene Javellana, SJ, Chair of Fine Arts Program and Dr. Rosula Reyes, Professor of Electronics, Communications, and Computer Engineering discussed with Mrs. Adessini prospective programs in Italy that faculty and students can participate in.
It will be a good opportunity for the Fine Arts students to spend a semester in art schools in Italy and immerse in Ancient Rome’s center of arts and architecture. This can replace some modules in their program. Meanwhile, the School of Science and Engineering is gearing their faculty and students for possible seminars, conferences and workshops in Italy’s top technological universities. They are eyeing the cities of Turin, Padova and Rome. Ateneo is currently looking for programs with Italy that focus on satellite and mirco electronic technologies. Ms. Adessini also promised to link Ateneo to Bocconi School of Management, reputed as the best business school in Italy.


The Italian embassy proudly offers Italian language scholarships to deserving students. Ateneo will be privileged to receive information on scholarships and possible programs in Italy.

Action plan!:)

[rising1genius]

French students take accelerated business classes in Ateneo



Ateneo de Manila University welcomed the first batch of French students attending the accelerated classes offered by the John Gokongwei School of Management (JGSOM).

On January 15, 2007, five students from Intsitut National des Télécommunications (GET INT) and four students from Groupe Ecole Supérieure de Commerce de Pau (ESC-PAU), both in France, started their semester in Ateneo.

The GET INT students, Eoin, Fabienne, Francois, Celine and Simon, came to Ateneo as exchange students after meeting Ateneo Junior Term Abroad (JTA) students who spent a semester in GET INT last year. Elsa, Anne-Lise, Matthieu, and Helene, on the other hand, make up the first batch of students from ESC PAU to study in Ateneo after the recent signing of a student exchange agreement between the two institutions and the visit of Dr. Antonette Palma-Angeles, academic vice president, to France in 2006.

All French students are business majors and are taking accelerated classes at JGSOM together with the local students from Ateneo. They have a tough program since most of their classes are held almost everyday. These classes started in January and will end in April 2007. Despite the busy academic schedule however, these young learners are rewarded with a three-day weekend which they can use to rest, study and of course, explore the Philippines.

glamorous!!

[leverage17]

Good job for Ateneo! I hope that they soon become a member of the ASEAN University Network with De La Salle and UP.

[rising1genius]

Top Austrian management institute to tie up with Ateneo


Ateneo de Manila University is firming up an academic agreement with Management Innsbruck (MCI), a top management school situated in Innsbruck, Austria.

Dr. Andreas Altmann, executive director of MCI, paid a courtesy call on Dr. Antonette Palma-Angeles on Jan. 31, 2007 to explore possibilities for cooperation. Among those present in the meeting were, Dr. Darwin Yu, chair of the Department of Leadership and Strategy, John Gokongwei School of Management and Mr. Daniel Glenn San Luis, executive director of the Center for Continuing Education, Ateneo Professional Schools.





Some of the future projects discussed were undergraduate student exchange with the John Gokongwei School of Management, faculty exchange, joint management training seminars and degrees.


MCI occupies a leading position among institutes of higher education both in Austria and abroad. It strives to mentor motivated people, who want to build their future through goal-oriented continuing education in their personal and professional development. The institute offers graduate, non-graduate, and post-graduate educational programs of the highest standard to senior and junior managers from all management levels and branches.



MCI is an integral part of the internationally unique "Open University Innsbruck" concept in Austria and has attained a leading position in international higher education as a result of its ongoing quality and customer orientation. The powerful architecture and its location, the vicinity to Innsbruck’s lively Old Town and the Tyrolean Mountains within grasp offer a unique studying environment.

Action plan!:)

[rising1genius]

http://www.ateneo.edu/oip/international/index.html

Ateneo signs agreement with Paris fashion school




On Jan. 25, 2007, Fr. Bienvenido Nebres SJ, president of the Ateneo de Manila University, signed an academic agreement with MOD’ART International, a private fashion school in Paris that offers courses in design creation and fashion and luxury goods management.

The memorandum of agreement was realized through the assistance of the EduFrance Agency and François Blamont, former Counselor for Cooperation and Cultural Affairs at the French Embassy in Manila, who made representation earlier with Dr. Antonette Palma-Angeles, academic vice president.

The MOA will enable Ateneo students participating in the John Gokongwei School of Management’s Junior Term Abroad program to spend a semester at MOD’ART International in the heart of Europe’s fashion capital.
Through various program offerings taught both in French and in English, MOD’ART International trains students to be creative and professionally equipped to respond to the challenges of the textile and clothing industries.

The school provides courses from fashion creation to fashion management. Its pool of professional teachers (artists, professionals and designers) assures the richness and dynamism of the courses.

Action plan!:)

[rising1genius]

Good job for Ateneo! I hope that they soon become a member of the ASEAN University Network with De La Salle and UP.

Ya...For all this there's only one thing you should know..we've tried so hard, and got so far. But in the end it doesn't even matter...we had to fall and lose it all, but in the end it doesn't even matter...


http://www.ateneo.edu/oip/students/index.html

[totoolangnaman]

...............Accept that that the rankings did not consider what Ateneo can offer. However, La Sallians should also realize that [U]the battle for the best and brightest undergrads is really between Ateneo and UP.[....................

Another atenean excuse. *okay* Too bad (for them) that no one (other than ateneans) is buying this "bola". :rotflmao:

[cla_cbe_d_best]

napaka hardsell naman ng mga ateneans!

"bili na bili na kayo mga suki" pinakamagaling ang ateneo"...:lol:

[Gising]

Not only Ateneans, most La Sallites as well who can really afford, if not through a scholarship pursue graduate studies to various countries abroad. Top choices are Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, NUS, Tokyo U, Waseda U, the University of Hong Kong, Tufts University, MIT, and others. Some of my colleague preferred Weichester and other universities in Europe depending on their interests and expertise.

As I've noticed, most graduates of DLSU who go or went abroad for further studies earned degrees in Economics, Business degrees, Literature, and Philosphy. While, La Sallites who have desired to pursue Bachelor of Laws go to UP and universities in the US like New York U, Stanford, Harvard etc. (for really bright students) and Ateneo Law School for average graduates.

BRIGHTEST undergrads?- UP or ADMU, okay maybe

but The BEST- I guess it's between UP and DLSU

Bright scholars who want to take up Engineering, would they prefer ADMU? - Answer is NO, he/she would choose between UP and DLSU

Intelligent H.S. students who want to take up Accountancy, will they go to ADMU- Answer is NO, the student would chose between DLSU and UP. (ADMU we are aware has no ACCtng program)

Clever techie students, will they choose ADMU?- Maybe, but most would prefer DLSU, Mapua or UP

How about WHiz kids who are not really sure what to pursue in college?- UP, ADMU, DLSU okay

:)


You've got good points which I miserably missed. Engineering, Techie and Accountancy. A battle between La Salle and UP.

Most La Sallites go to foreign schools for further studies? Many La Sallites do no even pursue grad studies unlike Ateneans. Anyway, without an "accurate and reliable data" (ang tamaan huwag magalit), let's leave it as it is.


You can't go wrong when you choose the best programs of UP, Ateneo and La Salle. *okay*

Other schools can also offer you a good education on certain programs. Anyway, this is a thread about Ateneo.

[leverage17]

You've got good points which I miserably missed. Engineering, Techie and Accountancy. A battle between La Salle and UP.

Most La Sallites go to foreign schools for further studies? Many La Sallites do no even pursue grad studies unlike Ateneans. Anyway, without an "accurate and reliable data" (ang tamaan huwag magalit), let's leave it as it is.


You can't go wrong when you choose the best programs of UP, Ateneo and La Salle. *okay*

Other schools can also offer you a good education on certain programs. Anyway, this is a thread about Ateneo.


May I quote "Many La Sallites do no even pursue grad studies unlike Ateneans."

Haven't the rankings stated enough? That's why DLSU-M is always on top. FYI, most of ADMU Law Students are (average) La Sallites while the intelletuals pursue Law in UP or abroad. How about your data to consider?

Comparing La Sallites to Ateneans who are taking or took Grad studies is uncontested. Why don't you check AIM, UP, DLSU or ADMU Grad School List for reference.

Anyway, I still plan to undergo an MBA or M.A. degree to either UP or ADMU to experience the diferrence. If I'm going to choose the De La Salle for MBA, I might get the same professors/lecturers - I do not wish.

[atenean_blooded]

leverage17:

Most Ateneo Law students are la sallites? Do you even have the statistical data to back such a ridiculous claim up?

[joy_taurus_12]

PATHETIC CLAIM!

Majority of the law students from ALS are graduates of the loyola schools.

Huwag pagpilitang isaksak ang mga lasalista sa topic na to at huwag pagpilitang i-claim na maraming Ateneo law graduates are lasalle undergrads. KUNG HINDI NGA SILA PUMASA SA ACET, SA ENTRANCE PA KAYA NG ATENEO LAW SCHOOL???? THINK HARD LEVERAGE17!

You're trying sooooo hard to make it appear as if lasalle shares the same honor as that with the prestigious law schools like UP, Beda, and Ateneo.

And please. Wag mo nang idamay pa ang UST by ridiculing the school that it did'nt figure prominently in the latest BAR exams.

La Salle has its own time for bragging sa ibang disciplines where it truly excels, but not the LAW.

[Katchatore]

This leverage17 is mercilessly dragging La Salle in his barrage against Ateneo. Please take time to analyze his statements before you react.

And we know, La Salle does not have any name to hold in law proper. Pre-law, maybe? I don't know either.

[ach_soo]

This is where I agree with you. Ateneo offers the best undergraduate experience that enables the students to enter Graduate Studies in the best foreign universities of the world.
I don't think so. If you play it purely by graduate students who are able to go to top US and European universities on scholarship, UP undergrads beat all schools in the country by a wide margin.

And if we look at really competitive scholarship programs, like Government-sponsored grants and the Fullbright-Hays program, you'll see an even bigger disparity. How many Fullbright scholars does Ateneo produce every year? Do some research, post it here, and I'll tell you how many Fullbrighters from UP get their foreign degrees every year.

Rather than studying in low-ranked Graduate research universities in the country (which includes Ateneo's Graduate schools :depressed: ), Ateneo undergrads prefer only the best in the world.:D
So this part is really nothing but crap.

Accept that that the rankings did not consider what Ateneo can offer. However, La Sallians should also realize that the battle for the best and brightest undergrads is really between Ateneo and UP.In the global rankings, all our schools are really not prominent. We are way behind some other Third World countries like powerhouse China and India Accept that fact. *peace*
And neither did Shanghai. Kindly e-mail them and get the Philippine ranking. How did Ateneo fare compared with Lasalle and UST?

[muchomuchacho]

I don't think so. If you play it purely by graduate students who are able to go to top US and European universities on scholarship, UP undergrads beat all schools in the country by a wide margin.

And if we look at really competitive scholarship programs, like Government-sponsored grants and the Fullbright-Hays program, you'll see an even bigger disparity. How many Fullbright scholars does Ateneo produce every year? Do some research, post it here, and I'll tell you how many Fullbrighters from UP get their foreign degrees every year.


ateneo or any other university doesn't produce any fullbright scholars because there's no such thing. there is a scholarship called FULBRIGHT, the one with the single L. :p

sadly you can't really choose your dream school if you study on a fulbright scholarship. you'll also be required to go back to your country after you finish your program. some people who can afford to just choose not to take it. :shrug:

[cla_cbe_d_best]

leverage17:

Most Ateneo Law students are la sallites? Do you even have the statistical data to back such a ridiculous claim up?

:bop: pag lumabas kaya ulit ang THES rankings at mas bumaba ang rankings ng The Ateneo, magbabakasyon ka ba ulet sa pex???
:lol:

my prediction in 2007 THES rankings.

UP 209
DLSU 300
UST 400
Ateneo 401

:D

[Gising]

leverage17:

Most students in the Ateneo Law are La Lasalista?

May I ask if you are presently enrolled at the Ateneo Law?

[Gising]

leverage:

Being a La Salista, you should know that DLSU MBA professors do not teach in the undegraduate level as a policy. Dante Sy might be an exception.

[Gising]

And neither did Shanghai. Kindly e-mail them and get the Philippine ranking. How did Ateneo fare compared with Lasalle and UST?

Dude, not even UP made it in the Shanghai Rankings.

Not even in the 2007 Broad Discipline category.

UP's MBA program is not included in the Global MBA rankings. AIM, although better than UP's MBA, is not even included in the Global MBA rankings.

Come on. You are from UP pa naman.

[ach_soo]

So, you're afraid to find out how Shanghai scored Ateneo compared with UST. That's fair enough. You can't stand another battering, eh?

sadly you can't really choose your dream school if you study on a fulbright scholarship. you'll also be required to go back to your country after you finish your program. some people who can afford to just choose not to take it.
The point which you refuse to see is that competitive scholarship grants are the best way to guage an undergrad's fitness to enter a top-school abroad. Any idiot who can past the GRE and has money can matriculate in any US graduate school he chooses.

Sorry, your claim that Ateneans are the best-trained to study abroad is just crap. The claim is so pathatic and just shows you're still bleeding inside and you just can't hide.

[JamminTonite]

ateneo or any other university doesn't produce any fullbright scholars because there's no such thing. there is a scholarship called FULBRIGHT, the one with the single L. :p

sadly you can't really choose your dream school if you study on a fulbright scholarship. you'll also be required to go back to your country after you finish your program. some people who can afford to just choose not to take it. :shrug:

:lol: @ FULLbright.

isn't ach_soo the same guy who called starbucks as Starbucks Coffee shop?

mga isko talaga. nakakatawa.

[muchomuchacho]

The point which you refuse to see is that competitive scholarship grants are the best way to guage an undergrad's fitness to enter a top-school abroad. Any idiot who can past the GRE and has money can matriculate in any US graduate school he chooses.

Sorry, your claim that Ateneans are the best-trained to study abroad is just crap. The claim is so pathatic and just shows you're still bleeding inside and you just can't hide.

no, that is not the point. it's just you who is saying that. fulbright (not FULLBRIGHT:naughty: ) is useless to someone who wants to work in the usa after finishing studies. please do not challenge the obvious.

it's legitimate for people to use masters degrees as stepping stones to better jobs as long as they can afford it and can get admitted while competing against thousands of qualified applicants from around the world. it doesn't make them less competitive than those who need grants to pay their way.

[ach_soo]

Ok, I'll hire you as a spell checker. You're definitely not the manager type. Your segment featuring dumb rich kids who take their MBAs abroad so they can stay abroad has no bearing to the discussion. You want an easier and cheaper way to do that? Join the US Navy or work as a nurse and then, take MBA. :rolleyes:

We're disputing the claim of other dumb rich kids that Duh Ateneo produces the best students for graduate studies in the US and maybe Europe. Now back to fulbrighters.. Know anyone who made it? I know two in my batch (and that's just one course).

[atenean_blooded]

:bop: pag lumabas kaya ulit ang THES rankings at mas bumaba ang rankings ng The Ateneo, magbabakasyon ka ba ulet sa pex???
:lol:



Bago pa lumabas yung rankings, magbabakasyon na ako sa PEx. Seryosong aral ginagawa ko e. :)

[rising1genius]

leverage17:

Most Ateneo Law students are la sallites? Do you even have the statistical data to back such a ridiculous claim up?

This is true as in true...

kasi most of them are dropouts of ateneo high or ags

ay hindi pala...transferee lang pala:lol:

then transfer to lsgh and dlsu...

tapos law sa ateneo

E DI BA ONCE AN ATENEAN ALWAYS AN ATENEAN?:lol:

[Gising]

So, you're afraid to find out how Shanghai scored Ateneo compared with UST. That's fair enough. You can't stand another battering, eh?


The point which you refuse to see is that competitive scholarship grants are the best way to guage an undergrad's fitness to enter a top-school abroad. Any idiot who can past the GRE and has money can matriculate in any US graduate school he chooses.
Sorry, your claim that Ateneans are the best-trained to study abroad is just crap. The claim is so pathatic and just shows you're still bleeding inside and you just can't hide.

The same goes with your claim. Any idiot you say? :rotflmao:


Where is this anti-rich mentality coming from? :love:

[Gising]

Stand by your claim. I'll stand by my claim. Since you want to dispute my OPINION, show me the facts on then number of studenst from UP entering US and Eurpoean graduate schools vs Ateneo on a per capita basis.

Then probably I'll reconsider what I have stated.

Deal or no Deal? hehehe.

I'll be waiting..........

[Gising]

Ok, I'll hire you as a spell checker. You're definitely not the manager type. Your segment featuring dumb rich kids who take their MBAs abroad so they can stay abroad has no bearing to the discussion. You want an easier and cheaper way to do that? Join the US Navy or work as a nurse and then, take MBA. :rolleyes:

We're disputing the claim of other dumb rich kids that Duh Ateneo produces the best students for graduate studies in the US and maybe Europe. Now back to fulbrighters.. Know anyone who made it? I know two in my batch (and that's just one course).

Hey. We are out of topic na pala. Made a thread just for you.

Kindly post the number of students from UP, Ateneo and the others who opted to study abroad.

Sabi mo mayroon ka.

Convince me with numbers, then I might change my opinion.

Deal or no deal?:p

[Gising]

Ateneo has problems of their own, possibly even more. Let them choose possible ways to settle or relinquish it. We've been too enamored by this ranking issue.The De La Salle on the other hand, also has a lot of problems it's trying to battle.

I personally would not be surprized if Ateneans would create such action plans especially when a young institution (hasn't even reached 100 years) and rival like De La Salle outranked the old Ateneo. The La Salle is sanguine as it victor over Ateneo but this scenario in the latter could feasibly suggest a "moral hazard" for DLSU. Nonetheless, The Great Greens are the MORE triumphant.

Goodluck to our blue-blooded partners!:p
Hail to De La Salle! Endlessly Victorious


Partners? Since when?:rotflmao:

[Gising]

This is true as in true...

kasi most of them are dropouts of ateneo high or ags

ay hindi pala...transferee lang pala:lol:

then transfer to lsgh and dlsu...

tapos law sa ateneo

E DI BA ONCE AN ATENEAN ALWAYS AN ATENEAN?:lol:

Ibang usapan na yan ha. :rotflmao:

Si leverage dinawit pa Ateneo sa kabilang thread against the Bedans. Bakit? Wala namang kinalaman La Salle sa bar exams. ah...at hindi totoong madaming La Salista sa Ateneo Law. .:rotflmao:

Pansin ko ang mga post niya ngayon kasama La Salle at Ateneo. Is it just me?:rotflmao:

[leverage17]

Why? It is because Gising is a just a Bedan tuned Thomasian.

Now we know. Sino ba nakikisali? e di yung mga walang utak... tsk tsk

[leverage17]

Ibang usapan na yan ha. :rotflmao:

Si leverage dinawit pa Ateneo sa kabilang thread against the Bedans. Bakit? Wala namang kinalaman La Salle sa bar exams. ah...at hindi totoong madaming La Salista sa Ateneo Law. .:rotflmao:

Pansin ko ang mga post niya ngayon kasama La Salle at Ateneo. Is it just me?:rotflmao:

Why? It is because Gising is a just a Bedan tuned Thomasian.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[leverage17]

Why? It is because Gising is a just a Bedan turned Thomasian.

If Gising is an Atenean, why speak like a LOWLY and DUMB BEDAN? Another Social Climbing Activity... TSK

wag po sanang mangbaliktad:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Aren't you tired trying hard to associate yourself with people from UP, DLSU and ADMU huh?:bop:

[leverage17]

Partners? Since when?:rotflmao:

You're so funny. SEE, you are not really an Atenean. You're not even aware that there are several La Salle-Ateneo Consortiums?
Well anyway, I was speaking in behalf of my cousins and a brother who study in Ateneo.

Gosh Gising, you are just a BEdAN turned THOMASIAN! Bakit ka nakikisali sa Usapang PangMATALINO?:confused: :confused: :hmm:

[cla_cbe_d_best]

wag mong isingit ang BEDAN dito... baka matuwa sila.. :D

[totoolangnaman]

pati nga sa UP may Lateo (La Salle - Ateneo) football club.

[cla_cbe_d_best]

dream ng mga Beda, magkaroon ng Bateo. :D

[Gising]

Why? It is because Gising is a just a Bedan tuned Thomasian.

Now we know. Sino ba nakikisali? e di yung mga walang utak... tsk tsk

Asus nandawit na naman ng ibang paaralan.. Wala namag naniniwala sa dakdak niyong dalawa ni ***_...:rotflmao:

Susunod ko namang babanatan ang mga Bedista kung maghahambog sila dito sa academe.
:rotflmao:

[Gising]

leverage17:

Most Ateneo Law students are la sallites? Do you even have the statistical data to back such a ridiculous claim up?


Balik tayo sa usapan.

Answer this first, leverage17 (2nd year DLSU college student). :D

[muchomuchacho]

Ok, I'll hire you as a spell checker. You're definitely not the manager type. Your segment featuring dumb rich kids who take their MBAs abroad so they can stay abroad has no bearing to the discussion. You want an easier and cheaper way to do that? Join the US Navy or work as a nurse and then, take MBA. :rolleyes:

We're disputing the claim of other dumb rich kids that Duh Ateneo produces the best students for graduate studies in the US and maybe Europe. Now back to fulbrighters.. Know anyone who made it? I know two in my batch (and that's just one course).

leave the hiring to mr. dionisio ong, your boss from kellogg mba. :p you're not the manager type if you can't figure out the difference of taking nursing first before mba as opposed to getting managerial experience in the philippines first before taking mba. your fulbright batchmates unfortunately had to go home after finishing their studies while their counterparts who took their mbas stayed and landed high paying jobs. there is a legitimate reason why some people would prefer the other option even if they don't take a fulbright scholarship, gets mo? and yes spelling matters if you work in a bank. you're not even much of a banker type apparently. :naughty:

[Gising]

Why? It is because Gising is a just a Bedan turned Thomasian.

If Gising is an Atenean, why speak like a LOWLY and DUMB BEDAN? Another Social Climbing Activity... TSK

wag po sanang mangbaliktad:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Aren't you tired trying hard to associate yourself with people from UP, DLSU and ADMU huh?:bop:

That's your style not mine.

Look at you. In order to prove a point, you have to drag UST down while associating yourself with Ateneans in the other thread. La Salle has nothing to do with the 2006 Bar exams but still you and your kind would drag La Salle down to the pits.

What was that all about?

Unfortunatley for you, no school is sacred for me. You're really from La Salle right? 2nd year college in La Salle? :D


You haven't answered the simple question of atenean_blooded. Why, La Sallian? :rotflmao:

[Gising]

This leverage17 is mercilessly dragging La Salle in his barrage against Ateneo. Please take time to analyze his statements before you react.

And we know, La Salle does not have any name to hold in law proper. Pre-law, maybe? I don't know either.

Take note of this one, leverage17.

[leverage17]

and who said I took the Acet? I passed UP and it's nobody's fault if UST continues to suffer from general erosion of academic standards.
who wants to pursue college in UST? Gising once implicated ADMU by pretending to be an Atenean, isang taga-UST ka lang pala.
Pathetic, an institution of 400 yrs. easily outranked miles away by universities that have not even reached 100 yrs.

UP-(95-98YRS OLD)- #1
DLSU-(95 YRS OLD)- #2
ADMU- (143-148 YRS OLD)- #3
[B]ust-(400 YRS OLD!!!)- #4!!???
People like you arejust [B]taga-UST who can't really manage to composeSIMPLE andPROPEREnglish.
There are several universities there MORE DESERVING to land on the 4th slot, even 5th, 6th or 7th.

Again, sino ba may gusto mag-aral sa UST? Do H.S. studes want to be called taga-UST or Thomasians i the future?
Even your Dominican allies like Letran, Angelicum, Sienna etc. would madly love to study in the BIG3. Otherwise, they'd remain to their respective colleges than to stick with UST students.

Taga UST ka lang- Wala kang Karapatan.
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ouch, TRUTH HURTS

[ach_soo]

leave the hiring to mr. dionisio ong, your boss from kellogg mba.
Who's that????

Sus! You're so worried about the service stipulation. That's a lame excuse for not trying the program. Our sister is a fulbrighter. She's now permanently based in the US where she also got her PhD. Not in management or economics, mind you. But an easy subject called math.

[capriciosogb]

haller!? kayo talagang mga lasalista at atenista! wlang magawa!

kaya pala top 1 ang UST sa BAR EXAM ngayon! e asan ba ateneo?? nasa baba!

excuse me lang pero mas nahirapan ako magEXAM sa UST kesa sa lasal o ateneo nyo! tama si person, sa UST mas marami napasa sa board at bar di tulad ng ateneo at lasal na TALAGANG OBOBS!

TOOK ALL?
PASSED ALL?
WHY UST?NO PRETENTION THE BEST IN OVERALL!

UST DID MADE US PROUD AGAIN!

[student_01]

alam niyo, ganito lang yan eh, kung may inggit ka sa UST, hinde mo na kailangan pa gumawa ng mga statements na mag dradragdown sa pangngalan ng unibersidad, kung hinde ka naman naiingit, maaring na debar ka lang sa UST or, binusted ka ng GF mo na taga UST or binastos or binugbug ka ng friend mo na traydor na from UST or ano pa ba, ikaw na magisip


kawawa naman tong lasallian, na ito, subagay TAGA LA SALLE ka nga, kaya ganyan ang ***** mo diba, dapat ang mga ganitong klaseng tao ang dapat tularan

kahit saan talaga Bidang bida na naman ang UST

btw yung naggamot kay FG mike arroyo ay isang Thomasian


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Imbued with Unending Grace

[cla_cbe_d_best]

hay nako.. yan na naman., capriciosogb ang bagong troll... UST naman ang napagtripan... :lol:

[markfroilan]

and who said I took the Acet? I passed UP and it's nobody's fault if UST continues to suffer from general erosion of academic standards.
who wants to pursue college in UST? Gising once implicated ADMU by pretending to be an Atenean, isang taga-UST ka lang pala.
Pathetic, an institution of 400 yrs. easily outranked miles away by universities that have not even reached 100 yrs.

UP-(95-98YRS OLD)- #1
DLSU-(95 YRS OLD)- #2
ADMU- (143-148 YRS OLD)- #3
[B]ust-(400 YRS OLD!!!)- #4!!???
People like you arejust [B]taga-UST who can't really manage to composeSIMPLE andPROPEREnglish.
There are several universities there MORE DESERVING to land on the 4th slot, even 5th, 6th or 7th.

Again, sino ba may gusto mag-aral sa UST? Do H.S. studes want to be called taga-UST or Thomasians i the future?
Even your Dominican allies like Letran, Angelicum, Sienna etc. would madly love to study in the BIG3. Otherwise, they'd remain to their respective colleges than to stick with UST students.

Taga UST ka lang- Wala kang Karapatan.
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ouch, TRUTH HURTS

the truth does strike us - that UST has become passe to other universities in terms of - oh i dunnow anyway you think, feel, believe and we accept it as humble as we(THOMASIAN COMMUNITY) can be. pero for you to lambast and malign our university na wala kaming karapatan,,,,,,,,,shows only one real thing,,,,your personality, kahit pa harvard ka or any higher institution of an ivy league graduate your pride will slowly but surely creep you and eat your values, morale, character,,, poor you i just wonder kung pano ka pinalaki ng mga tao sa buhay mo, so much pain, hatred, agony,,im sensing negative in you.

[markfroilan]

everyone, tanggap namin ang faults namin bilang thomasians under the dominican molded faith, also alam rin namin na *** 3 centuries under spanish rule showed that all the dominican friars in UST back then were oppressive and cruel to filipinos. this is the karma that we are painstakingly accepting,,,,so we just do what we can to uphold our right to be respected once more,,,one day maybe a century from now UST might not be their anymore maybe beacuse of external factors that we cannot control,,,or maybe the other that we will reclaim our lord over all things. but please i appeal to everyone, we live together in 1 native land,,,,lets just make everything work

[markfroilan]

parang pang beauty tilt,,, heheheheh, naman kase wag nang tapakan ang UST as a whole, asa tao lang naman un e.

[Gising]

and who said I took the Acet? I passed UP and it's nobody's fault if UST continues to suffer from general erosion of academic standards.
who wants to pursue college in UST? Gising once implicated ADMU by pretending to be an Atenean, isang taga-UST ka lang pala.
Pathetic, an institution of 400 yrs. easily outranked miles away by universities that have not even reached 100 yrs.

UP-(95-98YRS OLD)- #1
DLSU-(95 YRS OLD)- #2
ADMU- (143-148 YRS OLD)- #3
[B]ust-(400 YRS OLD!!!)- #4!!???
People like you arejust [B]taga-UST who can't really manage to composeSIMPLE andPROPEREnglish.
There are several universities there MORE DESERVING to land on the 4th slot, even 5th, 6th or 7th.

Again, sino ba may gusto mag-aral sa UST? Do H.S. studes want to be called taga-UST or Thomasians i the future?
Even your Dominican allies like Letran, Angelicum, Sienna etc. would madly love to study in the BIG3. Otherwise, they'd remain to their respective colleges than to stick with UST students.

Taga UST ka lang- Wala kang Karapatan.
----------------------------------
ouch, TRUTH HURTS

Sagutin mo muna tanong sa iyo ni atenean_blooded.:rotflmao:


Huwag mainit ang ulo.:naughty:

Hindi nadadala sa init ng ulo at panghahamak sa walang kinalamang paaralan ang pagbubuhat sa sariling upuan, leverage.

You are not doing De La Salle any good.

Live Jesus in our Hearts, ba ka mo?*okay*

[Gising]

and who said I took the Acet? I passed UP and it's nobody's fault if UST continues to suffer from general erosion of academic standards.
who wants to pursue college in UST? Gising once implicated ADMU by pretending to be an Atenean, isang taga-UST ka lang pala.
Pathetic, an institution of 400 yrs. easily outranked miles away by universities that have not even reached 100 yrs.

UP-(95-98YRS OLD)- #1
DLSU-(95 YRS OLD)- #2
ADMU- (143-148 YRS OLD)- #3
[B]ust-(400 YRS OLD!!!)- #4!!???
People like you arejust [B]taga-UST who can't really manage to composeSIMPLE andPROPEREnglish.
There are several universities there MORE DESERVING to land on the 4th slot, even 5th, 6th or 7th.

Again, sino ba may gusto mag-aral sa UST? Do H.S. studes want to be called taga-UST or Thomasians i the future?
Even your Dominican allies like Letran, Angelicum, Sienna etc. would madly love to study in the BIG3. Otherwise, they'd remain to their respective colleges than to stick with UST students.

Taga UST ka lang- Wala kang Karapatan.
----------------------------------
ouch, TRUTH HURTS


Whose pretending?

I am deliberately withholding my school affiliation to prevent stereotyping. Paano kung Atentista ako? Pano kung La Salistang tulad mo? O kaya taga UP?
Kung taga-UST naman ako, yang mga sinabi mo sa taas ang aabutan ko.:rotflmao:


Leverage17, do you really think that you are doing De La Salle any good? Your posts will only strengthen the opinion that La Salistas, despite the great achievements of the school, will forever be stereotyped as "bobo" especially by Ateneans.

Think about it, 2nd year College student of La Salle.:p

[leverage17]

Whose pretending?

I am deliberately withholding my school affiliation to prevent stereotyping. Paano kung Atentista ako? Pano kung La Salistang tulad mo? O kaya taga UP?
Kung taga-UST naman ako, yang mga sinabi mo sa taas ang aabutan ko.:rotflmao:


Leverage17, do you really think that you are doing De La Salle any good? Your posts will only strengthen the opinion that La Salistas, despite the great achievements of the school, will forever be stereotyped as "bobo" especially by Ateneans.

Think about it, 2nd year College student of La Salle.:p

talaga lang ha? bobo? sorry, ganyan talaga pag di La Sallista..

wawa ka naman, kungbobokami e anu tawag sa mga taga-UST?

Should you believe why you entered UST? because you're dumb.
Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.

quote: 1) Many aspiring doctors would want to go to UST. CORRECT
2) Many students would want to pursue college in UST. MAJOR FALSE
3) Many students would want to take further studies( MBA, M.A) in UST. FALSE

FACT: In UST, only the College of Medicine or Science has bright students compared to the BIG3 UNIVERSITIES that have BRIGHT students in any college.
FACT: The Battle for the Brightest students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.
FACT: The Battle for the Best Students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.

quote: How much percentage does UST College of Medicine has? 5% or less. Does this mean that only 5% of UST student population is bright?

quote: Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.
Why? 1) In every pre-employment exam, most UST students fail and don't really have the potential for working environment.
2) Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins.
3) In P&G, Unilever, Banks etc.- UST students are too outnumbered. Take note that those who got employed are hired only for clerical positions.
4) They have really LOW I.Q. because they only passed UST entance exam.

QUOTE: 1) Check out Ustexchange and find out that even UST Alumni ASSOC and students are very aware that UST is underrated and provides very easy examination.
2) Check out Peyups.com and see how UP students belittle UST people. UP studes do not even consider UST as a prestigious and Good University to enter
3) Check out greenarcher.net and atenista.net. They stated the same feedback.


-UST could have gone strong in molding their students considering their 400 yrs. of existence.
-DLSU is only 95 yrs. old.ADMU is only 145 yrs. old. UP is only 97 yrs. old. But, these three schools are so UNCONTESTED when being compared to UST.
-Would UST have excelLed if they only had 100 yrs of existence? The answer is a BIG NO!

quote :Shut up Gising. You have no right. You're JUST from UST pretending to be an Atenean.
You're too bothered by every insult your Catholic University for the Intellectually Poor is getting.

[fossilFuel]

talaga lang ha? bobo? sorry, ganyan talaga pag di La Sallista..

wawa ka naman, kungbobokami e anu tawag sa mga taga-UST?

Should you believe why you entered UST? because you're dumb.
Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.

quote: 1) Many aspiring doctors would want to go to UST. CORRECT
2) Many students would want to pursue college in UST. MAJOR FALSE
3) Many students would want to take further studies( MBA, M.A) in UST. FALSE

FACT: In UST, only the College of Medicine or Science has bright students compared to the BIG3 UNIVERSITIES that have BRIGHT students in any college.
FACT: The Battle for the Brightest students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.
FACT: The Battle for the Best Students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.

quote: How much percentage does UST College of Medicine has? 5% or less. Does this mean that only 5% of UST student population is bright?

quote: Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.
Why? 1) In every pre-employment exam, most UST students fail and don't really have the potential for working environment.
2) Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins.
3) In P&G, Unilever, Banks etc.- UST students are too outnumbered. Take note that those who got employed are hired only for clerical positions.
4) They have really LOW I.Q. because they only passed UST entance exam.

QUOTE: 1) Check out Ustexchange and find out that even UST Alumni ASSOC and students are very aware that UST is underrated and provides very easy examination.
2) Check out Peyups.com and see how UP students belittle UST people. UP studes do not even consider UST as a prestigious and Good University to enter
3) Check out greenarcher.net and atenista.net. They stated the same feedback.


-UST could have gone strong in molding their students considering their 400 yrs. of existence.
-DLSU is only 95 yrs. old.ADMU is only 145 yrs. old. UP is only 97 yrs. old. But, these three schools are so UNCONTESTED when being compared to UST.
-Would UST have excelLed if they only had 100 yrs of existence? The answer is a BIG NO!

quote :Shut up Gising. You have no right. You're JUST from UST pretending to be an Atenean.
You're too bothered by every insult your Catholic University for the Intellectually Poor is getting.

RIP:) and sama nang nasa utak mo lumalabas sa mga sinusulat mo.

[leverage17]

Whose pretending?

I am deliberately withholding my school affiliation to prevent stereotyping. Paano kung Atentista ako? Pano kung La Salistang tulad mo? O kaya taga UP?
Kung taga-UST naman ako, yang mga sinabi mo sa taas ang aabutan ko.:rotflmao:


Leverage17, do you really think that you are doing De La Salle any good? Your posts will only strengthen the opinion that La Salistas, despite the great achievements of the school, will forever be stereotyped as "bobo" especially by Ateneans.

Think about it, 2nd year College student of La Salle.:p

need not think, my brains are always working. And, don't tell me what to do.

WHOSE GETTING?? HAHAH , one reason why People look down on UST. Kung bakit ganyan na lang tapak tapakan mga taga Uste. hahah
to prevent stereotyping? hahah, You started it all now you're preventing it? Hey DUMB, You have made too many conclusions, still you're DUMB.
To think, your University is the only school being stereotyped here.

How many times were the terms "BOBO," "Squatter," "Jologs," "Mahina," and "Bagsakan ng mga Bobo" referred to UST in College forums especially in PEYUPS? TANTAMOUNT Figures

Royal Catholic University for the Intellectually Poor. GISING NA!

[leverage17]

Whose pretending?

I am deliberately withholding my school affiliation to prevent stereotyping. Paano kung Atentista ako? Pano kung La Salistang tulad mo? O kaya taga UP?
Kung taga-UST naman ako, yang mga sinabi mo sa taas ang aabutan ko.:rotflmao:


Leverage17, do you really think that you are doing De La Salle any good? Your posts will only strengthen the opinion that La Salistas, despite the great achievements of the school, will forever be stereotyped as "bobo" especially by Ateneans.

Think about it, 2nd year College student of La Salle.:p

WHOSE GETTING?? HAHAH , one reason why People look down on UST. Kung bakit ganyan na lang tapak tapakan mga taga Uste. hahah
to prevent stereotyping? hahah, You started it all now you're preventing it? Hey DUMB, You have made too many conclusions, still you're DUMB.
To think, your University is the only school being stereotyped here.

How many times did the terms "BOBO," "Squatter," "Jologs," "Mahina," and "Bagsakan ng mga Bobo" refer to UST in College forums especially in PEYUPS? TANTAMOUNT Figures

Royal Catholic Universityb for the Intellectually Poor. GISING NA!

[capriciosogb]

WHOSE GETTING?? HAHAH , one reason why People look down on UST. Kung bakit ganyan na lang tapak tapakan mga taga Uste. hahah
to prevent stereotyping? hahah, You started it all now you're preventing it? Hey DUMB, You have made too many conclusions, still you're DUMB.
To think, your University is the only school being stereotyped here.

How many times did the terms "BOBO," "Squatter," "Jologs," "Mahina," and "Bagsakan ng mga Bobo" refer to UST in College forums especially in PEYUPS? TANTAMOUNT Figures

Royal Catholic Universityb for the Intellectually Poor. GISING NA!

pa English English, wala naman sense. tumigil sa mga mpagpanngap!
eto lang,

took 4?
passed all?
Why UST? No pretention the BEST in OVERALL!

Matatalino, Mayayaman- DI TULAD NG ateneo na Yaman lang
Walang baho, walang dungis- di tulad ng La Salle
Hinding Hindi magpapahuli!
Ganyan kaming mga taga- U-S-T!
Uinbersidad ng San-to Tomas!
Uinbersidad ng San-to Tomas!

Matatalino, Mayayaman
Walang baho, walang dungis
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Ganyan kaming mga taga- U-S-T!
Uinbersidad ng San-to Tomas!
Uinbersidad ng San-to Tomas!

[student_01]

talaga lang ha? bobo? sorry, ganyan talaga pag di La Sallista..

wawa ka naman, kungbobokami e anu tawag sa mga taga-UST?

Should you believe why you entered UST? because you're dumb.
Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.

quote: 1) Many aspiring doctors would want to go to UST. CORRECT
2) Many students would want to pursue college in UST. MAJOR FALSE
3) Many students would want to take further studies( MBA, M.A) in UST. FALSE

FACT: In UST, only the College of Medicine or Science has bright students compared to the BIG3 UNIVERSITIES that have BRIGHT students in any college.
FACT: The Battle for the Brightest students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.
FACT: The Battle for the Best Students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.

quote: How much percentage does UST College of Medicine has? 5% or less. Does this mean that only 5% of UST student population is bright?

quote: Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.
Why? 1) In every pre-employment exam, most UST students fail and don't really have the potential for working environment.
2) Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins.
3) In P&G, Unilever, Banks etc.- UST students are too outnumbered. Take note that those who got employed are hired only for clerical positions.
4) They have really LOW I.Q. because they only passed UST entance exam.

QUOTE: 1) Check out Ustexchange and find out that even UST Alumni ASSOC and students are very aware that UST is underrated and provides very easy examination.
2) Check out Peyups.com and see how UP students belittle UST people. UP studes do not even consider UST as a prestigious and Good University to enter
3) Check out greenarcher.net and atenista.net. They stated the same feedback.


-UST could have gone strong in molding their students considering their 400 yrs. of existence.
-DLSU is only 95 yrs. old.ADMU is only 145 yrs. old. UP is only 97 yrs. old. But, these three schools are so UNCONTESTED when being compared to UST.
-Would UST have excelLed if they only had 100 yrs of existence? The answer is a BIG NO!

quote :Shut up Gising. You have no right. You're JUST from UST pretending to be an Atenean.
You're too bothered by every insult your Catholic University for the Intellectually Poor is getting.



Thomasians, speak up!:( :( :(

[Bunineykitty]

talaga lang ha? bobo? sorry, ganyan talaga pag di La Sallista..

wawa ka naman, kungbobokami e anu tawag sa mga taga-UST?

Should you believe why you entered UST? because you're dumb.
Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.

quote: 1) Many aspiring doctors would want to go to UST. CORRECT
2) Many students would want to pursue college in UST. MAJOR FALSE
3) Many students would want to take further studies( MBA, M.A) in UST. FALSE

FACT: In UST, only the College of Medicine or Science has bright students compared to the BIG3 UNIVERSITIES that have BRIGHT students in any college.
FACT: The Battle for the Brightest students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.
FACT: The Battle for the Best Students are among UP, La Salle and Ateneo.

quote: How much percentage does UST College of Medicine has? 5% or less. Does this mean that only 5% of UST student population is bright?

quote: Thomasians have really LOW I.Q.
Why? 1) In every pre-employment exam, most UST students fail and don't really have the potential for working environment.
2) Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins.
3) In P&G, Unilever, Banks etc.- UST students are too outnumbered. Take note that those who got employed are hired only for clerical positions.
4) They have really LOW I.Q. because they only passed UST entance exam.

QUOTE: 1) Check out Ustexchange and find out that even UST Alumni ASSOC and students are very aware that UST is underrated and provides very easy examination.
2) Check out Peyups.com and see how UP students belittle UST people. UP studes do not even consider UST as a prestigious and Good University to enter
3) Check out greenarcher.net and atenista.net. They stated the same feedback.


-UST could have gone strong in molding their students considering their 400 yrs. of existence.
-DLSU is only 95 yrs. old.ADMU is only 145 yrs. old. UP is only 97 yrs. old. But, these three schools are so UNCONTESTED when being compared to UST.
-Would UST have excelLed if they only had 100 yrs of existence? The answer is a BIG NO!

quote :Shut up Gising. You have no right. You're JUST from UST pretending to be an Atenean.
You're too bothered by every insult your Catholic University for the Intellectually Poor is getting.

quote:
2) Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins.

I also heard abouth this issue. SGV HR complaining against UST applicants. Shocks, shame on UST.

[Gordonblue86]

To be fair with, we Ateneans do not know where or in what field can

we be challenged against UST. I see no competition at all between

the Ateneo and UST. This may be a factor why UST is cozy with

the Ateneo since they don't see any competition. Unlike, we have

UP VS. ADMU, ADMU VS. DLSU and UP VS. DLSU in academics and

sports as well.


For some who might regard to ask for a position or data, all I could

show is this framework below.

UP is the biggest opponent of the Ateneo in Law, Humanities, Philosophy and in ECE.

Also, UP is the biggest team to beat in debating.

While, DLSU is the most challenging school to beat in ECE, I.T., Finance, and in Basketball.

As well, DLSU is the Ateneo's greatest rival in MBA and futher studies after UP.

Thus, UP and DLSU are the only universities the Ateneo faces in attracting the Best students from High School especially in Business Courses.

[gox_guy]

LA SALLE UNIVERSITY is THE BEST in ALL FIELDS (SPORTS, ACADEMIC, DEBATES, BOARD EXAMS etc)

That's why we are ranked the highest in any rankings!

other schools should dream on!

lalu na yung mga bagsak sa DLSUCET na nag UP at UST na LANG> :glee:

Animo La Salle!

[AVOCADO EGGROLL]

quote:
2) Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins.

I also heard abouth this issue. SGV HR complaining against UST applicants. Shocks, shame on UST.

SORRY, OFF TOPIC:

i know you guys are trolls, and just hate UST.

but i would just like to tell you that in SGV, Thomasian, La Sallian and Isko/Iska CPAs are no match with the CPAs who graduated from the provinces like UP Visayas and San Carlos.

kahit mga topnotchers from UP and UST, taas kamay sa mga Diyos at Diyosa ng Accounting from the Visayas.

itanong nyo pa kina Yvette Yaneza, 14th Placer from UP at Jhoanna Go, 1st Placer from UST (both are Magna Cum Laude).

Bilib na bilib sila sa talino ng mga taga UP Visayas, Silliman at San Carlos.


tsaka, magkakaibigan sila (UP, La Salle, UST) duon, at pare pareho silang magagaling.

so wag na kayong mag comment dahil hindi kayo taga SGV or any accounting firm.

:)

[markfroilan]

whoa leverage17,,,,,grabe,,,,,ang yabang mo na talaga...........
thats right tell yourself that.......

[markfroilan]

hindi na up ateneo lasalle vs ust,,, its just you vs ust.
what an upbringing...
airhead na talaga, your ruining the DLSU image.

[leverage17]

SORRY, OFF TOPIC:

i know you guys are trolls, and just hate UST.

but i would just like to tell you that in SGV, Thomasian, La Sallian and Isko/Iska CPAs are no match with the CPAs who graduated from the provinces like UP Visayas and San Carlos.

kahit mga topnotchers from UP and UST, taas kamay sa mga Diyos at Diyosa ng Accounting from the Visayas.

itanong nyo pa kina Yvette Yaneza, 14th Placer from UP at Jhoanna Go, 1st Placer from UST (both are Magna Cum Laude).

Bilib na bilib sila sa talino ng mga taga UP Visayas, Silliman at San Carlos.


tsaka, magkakaibigan sila (UP, La Salle, UST) duon, at pare pareho silang magagaling.

so wag na kayong mag comment dahil hindi kayo taga SGV or any accounting firm.

:)

Yeah I heard but UP and La Salle putting their hands down is horrific. Well, UST topping the board exam is so BIG DEAL to them. You might ask UP and DLSU students who were present at the other students around.

Geez, Yes, UST topped the board exam but with only a SINGLE slot in the top20! And who's always consistent? Given datas 2000-2006, DLSU topped May exams 5 or 6 times, UP ceremonial rites. UST people were chinned up like there were no topped October exams 4 times I guess.

Even the ACPACI contest where UST thrice cheated in sdifferent years but to no avail, they didn't land on any of the three slots.

Anyway, you may ask SGV HR how UST graduates are performing in their company. For an even solid proof, might as well inquire to KPMG-Laya Managhaya or Punong Bayan and Araullo.

From SGV, this one is real. One of them is a graduate of Ateneo de Davao, who took MBA abroad and pursued MSA at the De La Salle.
"Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins."

[leverage17]

hindi na up ateneo lasalle vs ust,,, its just you vs ust.
what an upbringing...
airhead na talaga, your ruining the DLSU image.


Yes, I am aware my statements had delivered too much arrogance

and I apologize for that. Though, my arrogant statements are not

cloaked to make the other school "UST" suffer. Neither, to boast for

self-image. I'm just answering in total contracdiction what the other

party has thrown to our institution which is De La Salle. Arrogance

caused by low esteem and Arrogance for rebuke and protection are

different. Nonetheless, I need not pretend that I belong to this

school, or that and change in the latter. People here are aware who

my opponent is and who I'm debating with. Unlike, most of the users

here are fake.

Too early to tell Mr. markfroilan... know thy enemies
GOOD DAY!

[student_01]

great, many user accounts/ alternicks with only one user, diba TROLL na troll ang dating, pare-parehas pa silang sabay sabay nag register!

[rising1genius]

UP and La Salle are the best in their fields... but in debate?:(

Worlds
Ateneo (from the Philippines)

Asians
Ateneo

All Asians
Ateneo

NDC
UP and Ateneo

Australian Intervarsity
Ateneo(from the Philippines)

Gusto mo sama pa natin Lower House and Senate:lol:

magaling na kayo sa lahat, pero sa debate, kahit humirit ka pa na dun lang kami magaling...:D

[pumpysworld]

It's hard to validate schools based on their age, who their debaters are, etc. What you need to do is to look at average class sizes, library size, etc.

[rx_Tomasino]

If you're a big fan of Lolit Solis or Madam Auring, and you use PEx as your thesis and/or studying medium, then I guess a leverage17 is credible enough.

Masasayang lang ang effort sa pagta-type kung papatulan pa. ;)

[atenean_blooded]

Thus, UP and DLSU are the only universities the Ateneo faces in attracting the Best students from High School especially in Business Courses.

Actually, this is no longer true.

NUS has started to reach out to local students.

The Philippine schools have to contend with that.

[Ashlars]

Yeah I heard but UP and La Salle putting their hands down is horrific. Well, UST topping the board exam is so BIG DEAL to them. You might ask UP and DLSU students who were present at the other students around.

Geez, Yes, UST topped the board exam but with only a SINGLE slot in the top20! And who's always consistent? Given datas 2000-2006, DLSU topped May exams 5 or 6 times, UP ceremonial rites. UST people were chinned up like there were no topped October exams 4 times I guess.

Even the ACPACI contest where UST thrice cheated in sdifferent years but to no avail, they didn't land on any of the three slots.

Anyway, you may ask SGV HR how UST graduates are performing in their company. For an even solid proof, might as well inquire to KPMG-Laya Managhaya or Punong Bayan and Araullo.

From SGV, this one is real. One of them is a graduate of Ateneo de Davao, who took MBA abroad and pursued MSA at the De La Salle.
"Even their CPAs; e.g. SGV several times said that UST CPAs' would take 2 hrs. to complete a complex balance sheet whereas students from La Salle and UP would finish in 20 mins."

Kahit ano pa'ng sabihin mo, ang S at V sa SGV ay mga produkto ng USTe.