Chiz Escudero: scrap Trigonometry, Geometry and Chemistry subjects for HS students

[faaip_de_oiad]

:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

Anong ka gaguhan naman to?! *****!

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view_article.php?article_id=11710


‘Give provinces P1B a year and let them decide’ -- Escudero

Source funds from EVAT revenues
By Maila Ager
INQ7.net
Last updated 09:18pm (Mla time) 07/25/2006

INSTEAD of promising projects to selected provinces, as she did in her State of the Nation Address, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo would do better to just give the money to the local governments and allow them to decide what is best for them, House Minority Floor Leader Francis Escudero said on Tuesday.

Escudero, who presented several ideas to counter the State of the Nation Address (SONA) Arroyo delivered on Monday, noted that she made no mention of where to source the funds for the projects she promised 79 provinces.

He suggested that the government source the money from the 80-billion peso expected revenue from the expanded value added tax and, instead of imposing the President’s vision on these provinces, give each of them a billion pesos and allow them to decide what projects to pursue.

Escudero also suggested a revision of public schools’ curriculum that would reduce the number of regular subjects taught to students - from the current eight to 11, to six - as one way to reduce the classroom shortage.


Essential subjects, he said, would include Languages, including English and Filipino, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies or History, Computer and Good Manners and Right Conduct.

Subjects like trigonometry, calculus, geometry, and algebra, should be taught only in college or as high school electives since these are not relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos, he said.:bop: :bop: :bop:

“If by any chance they are able to reduce the curriculum by half, we would effectively double the number of classrooms in a day and overnight, because we can now use the classroom twice over instead of simply being used once, given the overburden curriculum that our children have,” he said.

Escudero also proposed a repeal of several laws such as oil deregulation, the EPIRA (Electric power Industry Reform Act), the Presidential Decree on automatic appropriations for debt servicing, and the EVAT on, at least, power and petroleum products.

He also pressed for the immediate passage of salary adjustments for private and government workers.

On charter change initiatives, Escudero reiterated that while the Constitution needed improvement, this should not be rushed.

He also challenged Arroyo to answer all the allegations against her if, as she said, she was ready to face those seeking to “pick up an old fight.”


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[dagitab24]

OK na sana ang platform niya, pero sablay itong huli. On the contrary, mathematics education should be strengthened.

[KuyaDanny]

High school will be the only chance those subjects will be taught for people who don't move on to college, or for those who choose courses in humanities and similar disciplines.

I think the development of young minds by preparing brains to handle complex ideas is relevant to the everyday lives of most human beings. That is what those subjects hope to do.

[totoolangnaman]

Essential subjects, he said, would include Languages, including English and Filipino, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies or History, Computer and Good Manners and Right Conduct.

Subjects like trigonometry, calculus, geometry, and algebra, should be taught only in college or as high school electives since these are not relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos, he said.:bop: :bop: :bop:


I wonder if this statement from Escudero and the Adel Tamano's "stealing is less worse than cheating" will help convince Filipinos to vote for them.......

[flsfnoeraekadad]

Is Escudero nuts? Edi tinanggal naman nya yung abilidad ng mga Pinoy. Konti nga ang subject pero lalong dadami ang mga inutil.

[faaip_de_oiad]

High School Mathematics IS geometry, algebra and trigonometry (and for some other schools - Calculus and Statistics).

Anong gagawin sa high school? Arithmetic ng apat na taon? :bop:

[kaningbrown]

Remove social studies, GMRC and Filipino.

Strengthen English, Algebra and Science.

As God intends it.

[la_flash]

nananaginip nang gising si chiz escudero :bop:

[faaip_de_oiad]

If this pushes through, even more private schooled students would flood UP and a lot of high school students from public schools wouldn't even have the chance to go to college.

[flsfnoeraekadad]

High School Mathematics IS geometry, algebra and trigonometry (and for some other schools - Calculus and Statistics).

Anong gagawin sa high school? Arithmetic ng apat na taon? :bop:

Oo, apat na taon kang mag-mumultiplication table. Yung na-master mo na sa elementary, mamasterin mo pa sa high school. Napaka-inutil na suhestyon galing kay Escudero. Hindi ata pumapasa yan kaya pinapatanggal na lang eh.

[totoolangnaman]

maybe the engineers and architects, mathematicians can explain to Escudero how trigonometry, calculus, geometry, and algebra are used in everyday life and work.

how differential equations are used in designing oil refineries, financial analysis, etc.....(calling all engineers!)

good luck to us if we allow Escudero to have a seat in the Senate..... :(

p.s.

wala bang 4th option sa poll? :D

[KuyaDanny]

I'm neither an engineer, architect, nor mathematician, yet I am thankful for mathematics and science subjects in high school that have helped me think clearly, understand quickly, and express myself concisely.

Anong gusto mong 4th option? Pwede nating lagyan.

[jean_grey]

ahehe. speechless. di ko maimagine kung paano sya nakarating sa ganitong conclusion...

Subjects like trigonometry, calculus, geometry, and algebra, should be taught only in college or as high school electives since these are not relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos, he said.

[totoolangnaman]

I'm neither an engineer, architect, nor mathematician, yet I am thankful for mathematics and science subjects in high school that have helped me think clearly, understand quickly, and express myself concisely.

Anong gusto mong 4th option? Pwede nating lagyan.

oo nga naman :D you don't need to be an engineer, mathematician or architect to appreciate the importance of calculus, trigonometry, etc....

4th option? = don't vote for Escudero :D

[KuyaDanny]

What subjects was he taught in high school?

Laundry
Commuting
Shopping/Pamamalengke
Cooking
Dishwashing
Smoking?
TV Watching
Radio Listening and Comprehension
Sleeping
Eating (including table manners)
Sex (including family planning)

Yan ang talagang "relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos" *okay*

[erap_arroyo99]

Is Escudero nuts? Edi tinanggal naman nya yung abilidad ng mga Pinoy. Konti nga ang subject pero lalong dadami ang mga inutil.

.. which a good chunk of them (inutils) are in government. :bop: :bop:

[erap_arroyo99]

that goes to show his lack of foresight, especially for him being a member of congress, whose decisions as a body impact all filipinos. hindi ba niya naisip na hindi lahat ng pilipino ay katulad niyang walang gamit sa trigo, algebra, etc? he is covering up for just admitting that the government does not give adequate support for education, especially in the provinces.

[jean_grey]

What subjects was he taught in high school?

Laundry
Commuting
Shopping/Pamamalengke
Cooking
Dishwashing
Smoking?
TV Watching
Radio Listening and Comprehension
Sleeping
Eating (including table manners)
Sex (including family planning)

Yan ang talagang "relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos" *okay*

let's not forget: pagsulat ng text lingo style. ang pinaka-relevant sa lahat. :p

[mykel14]

:bop: E, halos sa mga subjects na gusto niyang ipatanggal umiikot ang buhay ng mga estudyante sa High School.

[beyside19]

is he crazy? i'm a graduating high school student, and truth be told, i think KULANG pa ang tinuturo sa high school.

those subjects practically define high school.

[flsfnoeraekadad]

What subjects was he taught in high school?

Laundry
Commuting
Shopping/Pamamalengke
Cooking
Dishwashing
Smoking?
TV Watching
Radio Listening and Comprehension
Sleeping
Eating (including table manners)
Sex (including family planning)

Yan ang talagang "relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos" *okay*

...all of these can be condensed into one subject: THE/TLE.

[blue_tracer]

napaka critical ng mga subjects na yan..

malaking kabuktutan ito.. opposite sa gawi ng mga mauunlad nang bansa..

ay TARANT...DO !!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

[flsfnoeraekadad]

Sabihin nyo kay Escudero eh siya ang magpaaral sa kolehyio ng lahat ng mag-aaral na hindi kukuha ng algeb, calculus, trigo at geom. Lalo na yung mga gustong mag-inhinyero, pumasok sa larangan ng ekonomiya at kalakalan, at yung mga nasa larangan ng kompyuter.

[MY_maka_mandag]

Ang bobo ni Chiz Escudero :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[theExchangeStud]

baka mahina sya sa math... ***** ba sya, kelangan yan sa HS para iprepare yun students sa college, especially yun mga gustong mag engineers...

[Lord Soujiro]

(First Post...)

I apologize for going against the crowd I must express my right to be heard.

First, I get the point why some subjects should be removed (or taken as elective). Just think about it, what would be the purpose of knowing something if you wont be using it in the future. Come on, for what purpose would you be using the knowledge of tangents, sines, cosines and cosecants if you'll just be taking Nursing in college. And I think you're still lucky if you took Nursing. What if you didn't enter college at all. So, in my humble opinion, I think Trigonometry and Calculus should be removed (or be taken as an elective as MFL Escudero has suggested.) Pero I have some doubts about removing Geometry and Algebra because again, in my opinion, they are useful even for those who are unable to enter college.

Secondly, well it may sound really harsh but I agree in reducing the number of subjects given to public school students. For the past few years I have seen schools that are so overcrowded that the grade 1 and grade six students share the same classroom, in fact, Philippine public schools are the exact violation of the Law of Marginal Productivity. Maybe you're thinking, "If that's the problem, then let's buy more lands, buy concrete, hire carpenters so that we can make more schools." But reality check, we live in a poor and corrupt nation. In fact, we are pathetic.

Reducing less useful subjects (if not, useless) may sound like a bad idea but it increases the number of students who will be given the chance of going to school. To tell you the truth, I prefer having 300 people who know the essential subjects (as enumerated) than having 200 people who know these essentials plus trigonometry and calculus. Mr. Escudero's suggestion was a move to improve quantity since he believes that as of this time, it is difficult to improve the quality of education in the Philippines since it would require funds.

Lastly, his suggestion was to revise the curriculum so that these four subjects (Trigonometry, Calculus, Geometry and Algebra) would be treated as electives, (I want Trigonometry and Calculus to be eliminated though.) So, there wouldn't be any problem if you dont want them eliminated, you're the ones who'll use them anyway. Also, this would mainly affect public schools. It's all about have more people know something than having fewer people learn something useless (again, just my opinion.)

I guess that's all for now, I'm sure a lot of people will be criticizing my post. I be happy to answer your comments and catch all your violent reactions.

[math_techie]

Then that means, we should add another year, or another two years in college (for those who intend to go to science related courses)? That proposal is totally wrong.

[flsfnoeraekadad]

If Mr. Escudero wants more inutile and backward Filipinos in this time of scientific and technological realms, then so it be. But I will make sure that I will be the one of the many to make sure he's not getting there.

[pumpysworld]

Why would anyone want to remove subjects like Trigonometry, Chemistry, or Social Science? Aren't these subjects being taught by our Asian competitors and are part of logical thinking, basic knowledge of the world, and even some aspects of vocational and technical training?

About adding another year, the Philippines only has ten years of pre-tertiary education, compared to twelve or thirteen in other Asian countries. Asian countries usually have technical or vocational training or junior college included, which means most of their citizens can work without going to college. The result is that they save a lot of money, compared to the Philippines, where the is a lack in pre-tertiary education but a college degree requirement for work that doesn't require that (e.g., salesman, computer technician, driver, bank teller, etc.).

How is this relevant? According to the World Bank, an additional year of formal pre-tertiary education increases GNP by three percent a year. That means our present income level increase will become higher, allowing us to make more money than our population increase (it is a good idea to have the annual increase in income three times higher than the population increase).

I think we are looking at this the wrong way. The solution is not to remove HS subjects or years, but to remove college as a requirement for most jobs. A year of vocational or technical training will do fine. Those who want to go to college or university can take a year of junior college, where the General Ed. subjects should be moved. And those who want to receive a college degree can have their vocational or technical training and junior college credited.

The result is cheaper costs for everyone and a more logical and flexible system. As I understand it, this is the system employed in many Asian countries.

[opus224]

Straight from Congress' transcripts


PRIVILEGE SPEECH OF REP. ESCUDERO

.........

Mr. Speaker, ang isang dahilan kung bakit kada taon marami tayong classrooms na kinakailangan ay dahil napakaraming nasisira sa kakulangan ng supisyenteng pondo para i-maintain at i-repair lang sana ang mga classrooms na ito.

Secondly, Mr. Speaker, we should and we propose that the curriculum be restudied. Mr. Speaker, I know that this will generate a lot of debate but I hope that our colleagues will listen for awhile. Sa ngayon, umaabot sa nine to eleven ang subjects ng ating mga estudyante sa elementary at high school. Nakukuba na ang ating mga estudyante sa kakabitbit ng napakaraming libro. Subalit ang tanong ko ho: Ito ba ay angkop pa rin sa pangangailangan ng ating bansa sa ngayon? Ang kanila po bang pinag-aralan ay nagagamit nila sa kanilang buhay sa labas ng paaralan at magagamit kapagka sila ay naghanap ng trabaho?
I can only cite myself as an example, Mr. Speaker, but mula po nung natapos ako nung high school hindi ko pa nagamit ang Calculus, hindi ko pa ho nagamit and Trigonometry, hindi ko pa ho nagamit and Algebra, iyung Geometry, sa bilyar ko lang nagamit. At iyong mga ibang itinuturo ay marapat sigurong ituro sa kolehiyo kung nais maging inhinyero ng isang bata. Iyong mga ibang itinuturo, marapat sigurong ibigay na lamang nating sa kanila sa kolehiyo o bilang elective pagdating ng high school.


http://www.congress.gov.ph/legis/print_journal.php?congress=13&id=143

[Lord Soujiro]

Hohum... why would employers hire high school graduates in the Philippines when they know that year by year, a lot of young Filipinos are graduating from college and a some of them even end up as bums because of the lack of job opportunities in the Philippines.

I agree (with pumpysworld) when you said that students should be taught vocational courses so that they can provide for themselves even if they havent attended college. But Filipinos are too proud to take vocational courses because they think of it as something low rather than something productive. Only those desperate ones are willing to take vocational courses although they can't deny that they want to go to college.

Hmmm... Certainly, adding subjects would truly help Filipinos gain more knowlegde or improve themselves intellectually, however, that is assuming everyone can pay the required tuition fees for elementary, secondary and college education. For the majority of the Filipinos who cannot even affort to sustain themselves with their basic needs, how will they be able to for educational needs if it would take that long to graduate. I suggest adding vocational subjects to high school students (as pumpysworld has suggested) but remove less useful subjects such as trigonometry and calculus since they wont be needing knowledge about such fields. Let us leave the trigonometry and calculus for the engineers. Us non-engineers do not need them in our day to day lives.

Also, to require the government to add additional subjects would mean adding the number of hours that one student would spend in school which would mean that lesser students would enjoy the utility of our public schools. Also, to add new subjects would require hiring new professors who specialize on these added subjects, also, this would also mean adding facilities such as classrooms, chairs etc. In the end we will be spending more money on trigonometry, calculus, elective accounting and other subjects when in fact we'll be studying Nursing anyway and work abroad as God knows what. I still can't see the point why we should spend time studying such subjects when we won't be using it in the future. I suggest that they teach these subjects to college students instead of teaching them to everyone in high school.

[ubermensch]

political noise. easy for him to say that, but as if como sinabi lang niya, matutupad niya.

i think i understand where he is coming from. but the way i see it, he is standing at a point of ignorance. in my opinion, the point of math and natural sciences in the general curriculum is not so much the quadratic equation, trigonometric functions and the periodic table per se. it's the training to think analytically and critically, which admittedly is not being emphasized enough. the lesson then is for him to know first what it is he's talking about, before making any sweeping suggestions. what does he mean by relevant first of all? for those not going to the sciences, yes, equations and inequalities per se are irrelevant. but what you get out of the training is not necessarily so.

[SUX2BÜ]

Let me get the points straight.

Does Chiz want to scrap "irrelevant" subjects to "double the number of classrooms in a day and overnight"? Or does he want to do so because, anyway, the Philippines produces more nurses and domestic helpers? Or both?

His first contention: "Double the number of classrooms in a day and overnight." By "lessening the knowledge base" of the students, there will be more available classrooms for the students to learn "more relevant" subjects like languages, good manners and right conduct, arithmetic, etc. If Chiz is suggesting that the government should just "give the money to the local governments and allow them to decide what is best for them", then why not use this money (if there is any) to build more classrooms to accommodate more students without scrapping his purported "irrelevant subjects?"

His second contention: "These (subjects) are not relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos." So what subjects are relevant? Does he mean subjects that will create more super maids and nurses? Who would know which subjects are "really relevant" to which profession until faced with real-life situations? I remember watching a "Law and Order" episode where the lawyers have to determine which floor and window the bullet comes from across the street using trigonometry. Yes, they are lawyers, not engineers nor surveyors. I mean there are so many reasons why these subjects become relevant in our daily lives: We become more thoughtful, critical, and analytical and get to have a greater sense of the things around us.

:shrug:

[angst]

I graduated from Pisay and sa sobrang daming Math napurga talaga ako. I hated it and although I have respectable grades and I despised Math and never learned it seriously. I also managed to coast in my Math subjects in college because of my Pisay background.

Now that I'm working that hatred for Math was a huge mistake. I'm planning to take my MBA and I'm quite intimidated by the Math portion of the GMAT. Even at work where I have to deal with metrics 75% of the time (budget variances, efficiency, etc), Math is applicable.

Scrapping advanced Math from high school is a huge mistake. Dito nga sa US eh, nag-emphasize sila ng Math and Sciences because they realize that this would give a competitive edge to their students.

Gosh! That Escudero is an idiot.

[bluethehero]

pede ko rin bang sabihing i-scrap ang World History dahil mahal ko ang Pilipinas at wala ako balak mag world tour at wala naman tayong pakialam sa kasaysayan ng mundo? :lol:

[erap_arroyo99]

so sa mga boboto sa darating na halalan.. alam niyo na ang gagawin niyo

[neinsager]

onga naman, hindi naman ginagamit yang math sa pang-araw araw na buhay ng mga pilipino. eh di kung ganun pala tanggalin na rin yang english tutal bihira naman yang gamitin ng karamihan ng mga pilipino. pag nage-english ka pa sa mga kasama mo sa bahay ang dating eh mayaman o feeling mayaman ka lang. eh mas marami sa pilipinas ang mahihirap. tsaka karamihan naman ng mga pilipino walang computer sa bahay o walang mga trabahong kailangang gumamit ng computer. so bakit pa?

oh right, para sumipag ang mga tamad at tumalas ang mapupurol.

im so not voting for him.

[C.I.C.C.I]

To remove this subjects is just plain stupidity.

One can not fail to deduce that probably he had poor marks in this subject.


This subjects are thought anew in College but not as detailed as High School.

It is like saying.....ok....no chemistry...then dont enroll in B.S. Chem or other Natural Sciences class

No Trigo/No math.....Dont take B.S Comp Sci, BS Math, B.S Engineering, B.S Accounting...

THEREFORE: LETS JUST BE PLAIN STUPID AND BE CONGRESSMEN!!!

[bluethehero]

an excerpt from my blog (http://earlmacabulos.blogspot.com)

Mr. Escudero failed to consider the fact that high school is the preparatory stage for an individual to determine his future. How will one know that he should pursue a college course in science or math if all that he will learn in his high school is how to add or subtract? How will he know if he can be a doctor or medical technologist if he doesn't learn chemistry or physics? One can only tell which subject is relevant to his life when facing real-life situations. The presumption is that public high school curriculum is made as such so that the students will become competitive, less mediocre, and can meet the demands and challenges of the times. If Chiz Escudero wants a comprehensive formation of education, he should change this immediately. In fact, other countries like Singapore and Japan, which happened to be few of the most industrialized countries, have given sufficient program for the enhancement of math and science programs.

Chiz, don't make this country reap what your corrupt mind intends to sow.

[prince nico]

That’s the problem with our present rank of politicians whose minds are just too corrupted. Their shortsightedness is being reflected by the deterioration of Philippine education.

Students should learn in high school all the basics to prepare them whatever course they may eventually pursue in college. No subject in high school can be irrelevant if these subjects get them ready for college irregardless of the course. Trigonometry and other mathematics subjects instill in each student not just numbers but also logic and common sense.

It’s true, how can a student determine the course that he has to take in college if he doesn’t know what subject he is good at while in high school because in the first place, the subject was not taught? How should one know that he is better prepared to become a chemist if he does not even know what chemistry is all about because according to Escudero, it is irrelevant for high schools?

Instead of too much blabbering and political grandstanding, he should create a bill that would enhance Philippine education rather than pushing it backward.

[Juan Plus One]

Mr. Escudero was high on prohibited drugs when he made the suggestions.

stupidity and drugs will only make things worse.

[Lord Soujiro]

Hohum... I'm assuming that you've read and absorbed his statement otherwise, you wont be able to understand my reply.

Mr. Escudero's suggestion was to "teach the said subjects in college" or "take them as high school electives." Now, what does it mean when he says that it should be taken as an elective. It means you'll be able to take such subjects at your own option or choice. So, no one will be forcing you to take such subjects if you don't want to (or if you don't feel that you need it) and no one will be stopping you from taking them if you find them essential to your career plans. To think that these subjects would be eliminated (although I want them to be so) would be thinking out of context since his suggestion was to leave it to college student OR take them as electives during high school.

I'm just hoping that we give proper justice to Mr. Escudero because his is only trying to think of ways to properly utilize our very very limited resources even if it means sending all Filipino brothers and sisters to the US to work as nurses.

Furthurmore, I still do not get why you do not want these subjects scrapped when most of us wont be using them in the future. I am a CPA now taking law and i still havent figured out how to use calculus or trigonometry in law. If you know how, please tell me then. Thank you.

[faaip_de_oiad]

I wasn't exactly my high school's representative to the Philippine Math Olympiad but I think there's more to Mathematics that just number crunching and postulates. As stated repeatedly in this thread, Math (and Chemistry) challenges to students to be critical thinkers. Spatial orientation and mechanical intelligence can prove to be useful even if you get employed as a crane operator in the Middle East. These subjects require young people to think at a level that other subjects can't possibly achieve. Yes, knowledge about valence shell electrons, parabolas and asymptotes can be "irrelevant" for some people, but for just as many people who would like to go to a good college, it is very important.

Electives are subjects that students CHOOSE. Why will they choose Algebra and Chemistry after it has already been labeled "irrelevant"? It's a very stupid statement and Escudero deserves to be the laughing stock in this Senatorial elections if he sticks by that. No high school kid would know if he wants to take up those electives because he would have no prior exposure to them. Those subjects require a lot of intensive teaching to be understood fully and the one or two hours a week that an elective schedule would allow isn't going to be enough.

Chiz is basically suggesting that we sacrifice quality from quantity.

[dirt_lap]

bottom line:

DO NOT VOTE FOR CHIZ ESCUDERO!

[faux_ph]

dang, who said that maths such as geometry, trigo and algebra, etc have no use in everyday life?
Carpenters use the principles of geometry and trigo to make a beautiful woodwork and strong connection. Masons use chemistry principle to make equivalent mortar in lieu of cement by using limestone. Farmers use basic algebra in estimating the number of sacks to be used per area of their farm.

[KuyaDanny]

dang, who said that maths such as geometry, trigo and algebra, etc have no use in everyday life?


Could it be those Jesuits at Georgetown? :D

[Lord Soujiro]

Yes, it is true that these subjects are relevant but they are not relevant for everyone especially students who take BA's rather than BS's. If what people want is a means to develop critical thinking, then why don't they just include in the curriculum subjects like Logic or Philosophy (still as electives) and not these Trigonometry and Calculus which would probably be useless if you don't take a BS course (also, there are a lot of BS courses that do not make use of such subjects.)

Also, these subjects were not labeled as completely irrelevant. They have been described as "relevant for some, but not for all." Which is why they should let the students decide which subjects they would want to take as electives and which they would not take. To say that no high school student knows what he want to take would be a great underestimation of modern day Filipinos since I believe that there are still organizations who hold career orientations so that young people may be able to know where they would want to go, what they need to learn as novices and what they should do.

I am still in favor in treating these subjects as electives in public schools.

[C.I.C.C.I]

Yes, it is true that these subjects are relevant but they are not relevant for everyone especially students who take BA's rather than BS's. If what people want is a means to develop critical thinking, then why don't they just include in the curriculum subjects like Logic or Philosophy (still as electives) and not these Trigonometry and Calculus which would probably be useless if you don't take a BS course (also, there are a lot of BS courses that do not make use of such subjects.)

Also, these subjects were not labeled as completely irrelevant. They have been described as "relevant for some, but not for all." Which is why they should let the students decide which subjects they would want to take as electives and which they would not take. To say that no high school student knows what he want to take would be a great underestimation of modern day Filipinos since I believe that there are still organizations who hold career orientations so that young people may be able to know where they would want to go, what they need to learn as novices and what they should do.

I am still in favor in treating these subjects as electives in public schools.

Public schools or you meant private schools?

[C.I.C.C.I]

Yes, it is true that these subjects are relevant but they are not relevant for everyone especially students who take BA's rather than BS's. If what people want is a means to develop critical thinking, then why don't they just include in the curriculum subjects like Logic or Philosophy (still as electives) and not these Trigonometry and Calculus which would probably be useless if you don't take a BS course (also, there are a lot of BS courses that do not make use of such subjects.)

Also, these subjects were not labeled as completely irrelevant. They have been described as "relevant for some, but not for all." Which is why they should let the students decide which subjects they would want to take as electives and which they would not take. To say that no high school student knows what he want to take would be a great underestimation of modern day Filipinos since I believe that there are still organizations who hold career orientations so that young people may be able to know where they would want to go, what they need to learn as novices and what they should do.

I am still in favor in treating these subjects as electives in public schools.


Off TOPIC:

What does your Professor in Constitutional Law say about this move by Escudero?

Just wondering.... :*)

[la_flash]

Yes, it is true that these subjects are relevant but they are not relevant for everyone especially students who take BA's rather than BS's. If what people want is a means to develop critical thinking, then why don't they just include in the curriculum subjects like Logic or Philosophy (still as electives) and not these Trigonometry and Calculus which would probably be useless if you don't take a BS course (also, there are a lot of BS courses that do not make use of such subjects.)

Also, these subjects were not labeled as completely irrelevant. They have been described as "relevant for some, but not for all." Which is why they should let the students decide which subjects they would want to take as electives and which they would not take. To say that no high school student knows what he want to take would be a great underestimation of modern day Filipinos since I believe that there are still organizations who hold career orientations so that young people may be able to know where they would want to go, what they need to learn as novices and what they should do.

I am still in favor in treating these subjects as electives in public schools.

What subjects then are "relevant" and should be retained in our curriculum?

[Lord Soujiro]

:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

Essential subjects, he said, would include Languages, including English and Filipino, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies or History, Computer and Good Manners and Right Conduct.



This are the exact words taken from the topic. Subjects like (again) Trigonometry and Calculus should be classified as electives since only engineers will have purpose for it. I don't think aspiring lawyers will find purpose for such subjects.

[bluethehero]

nah...

if we will eliminate subjects because these will not be relevant to all. the subjects that will remain are english and filipino. we won't need literature, because knowing the life of king arthur or appreciating the ode of a grecian urn won't be useful in our everyday life. the same goes to panitikan, noli me tangere, and el filibusterismo if one will not pursue a course in history or literature (just teach the lessons that rizal wanted to impart). let's also remove world history, because knowing how hitler caused chaos in the world will not be relevant if ever i will start a business.

[Lord Soujiro]

Lol, the purpose of education is not only to prepare ourselves to be working machinery in the future. It is also a means of preserving history, cultuvating cultural values and teaching us how to be good Filipinos.

[Lord Soujiro]

Escudero also suggested a revision of public schools’ curriculum that would reduce the number of regular subjects taught to students - from the current eight to 11, to six - as one way to reduce the classroom shortage.



I guess I was talking about public schools... Oh, and sorry for the double post.

[iRebirth]

great! while high school students in other countries are learning monomials and polynomials, we are still taking up basic addition and subtraction.

[free_speech]

wow...great words from a candidate who is an unfaithful husband hahaha. :naughty:

FISH !!! :lol: :evilgrin: :lol:

[faaip_de_oiad]

Escudero is courting the Math Haters vote. I bet the surveys showed that there are more Math Haters than GMA Haters.

[flsfnoeraekadad]

Lol, the purpose of education is not only to prepare ourselves to be working machinery in the future. It is also a means of preserving history, cultuvating cultural values and teaching us how to be good Filipinos.

Nasa panahon ka pa din ba ni kopong-kopong?

[SUX2BÜ]

Basta 'wag i-scrap 'yung PE subjects ha tulad ng basketbol. Aba, gagamitin ni super yaya sa Hong Kong ang talino niya sa pag-dribble ng bola habang kalaro niya 'yung alaga niya!

:laugh:

[GoddessMD]

Lol, the purpose of education is not only to prepare ourselves to be working machinery in the future. It is also a means of preserving history, cultuvating cultural values and teaching us how to be good Filipinos.


i totally agree with this guy.. :)

ELECTIVES lang talaga for the subjects mentioned.. students will have an option.. to be honest with you guys.. mahal ko talaga yung mga subjects na trigo, geom and chem.. even physics.. i aced those subjects before.. why? coz i needed to build a foundation before penetrating med school.. it worked for me naman din kasi.. eh pano naman sa iba diba? ('cept for trigo kasi ewan ko talaga wala lang talagang use pa sa buhay ko now)

..just that kung kelangan and gusto naman **** itake ng isang student yung mga subjects na yun.. then itake.. so diba kaya nga dapat gawin electives eh.. im just sayin this coz im not a math hater (peace out faaip_de_oiad hehe).. just that.. naiintindihan ko lang talaga si chiz why he wants this to happen..

[faaip_de_oiad]

i totally agree with this guy.. :)

ELECTIVES lang talaga for the subjects mentioned.. students will have an option.. to be honest with you guys.. mahal ko talaga yung mga subjects na trigo, geom and chem.. even physics.. i aced those subjects before.. why? coz i needed to build a foundation before penetrating med school.. it worked for me naman din kasi.. eh pano naman sa iba diba? ('cept for trigo kasi ewan ko talaga wala lang talagang use pa sa buhay ko now)

..just that kung kelangan and gusto naman **** itake ng isang student yung mga subjects na yun.. then itake.. so diba kaya nga dapat gawin electives eh.. im just sayin this coz im not a math hater (peace out faaip_de_oiad hehe).. just that.. naiintindihan ko lang talaga si chiz why he wants this to happen..

Trig can be used in Radiology - especially when assessing for suspected cases of scoliosis and lumbar instability. And any doctor wannabe can't get close to a good med school without passing the NMAT with flying colors. You expect a premed student with about 10 units worth of Math subjects to get a good score given the possibility that he/she may be denied the chance of learning Algebra, Chem and Trigonometry in high school?

Contrary to the myth that most students pick their course BEFORE they graduate, most students actually make their decisions based on the choices that are available AFTER GRADUATION. Not all applicants get the slots they want and most students settle for a second, third or even fourth choice courses. That is why we need students to be fully equipped for anything that college can throw at them.

Again, Trig, Algebra and Geom are the core subjects of high school mathematics. Escudero is contradicting himself by saying that he'll prioritize Math. If he removes those three subjects from the standard curriculum, MATH WILL BE NON EXISTENT in high school. Well, not unless Escudero was thinking of doing four more years of arithmetic with INTEGERS! (*gasp*) as the grand finale for the seniors.

Where did you deduce the statement that I'm a Math Hater? :confused:

Are you a part of Team Chiz? All your posts have been on Chiz Escudero threads and you (along with the other guy on this thread) registered right after THIS issue came out.

[alastig]

LOOK AT THIS CHIZmoso !! What does he knows about mathematics? hey CHIZmoso get you *** off our mathematics courses> lahat na pinakaalaman mo!!! doon ka tumulong sa mga taga Sorsogon!! Ayon sa mga taga Sorsogon WALANG NAGAWA DEPUTADONG REPRESENTANTE NILA SA LOOB NG SIYAM NA TAON!!! Visit Sorsogon and you'll see! coz I HAD WITNESSED IT !!!BACK to mathematics,these are useful subject!! he wants to make bobo/MANGMANG out of the youth! SO THAT MADALI NIYAN MA UTO MGA KABATAAN WITH HIS POLITICAL ANTICS! HE WANTS TO SCRAP THESE SUBJECTS BUT HAS NO ALTERNATIVES!!
ENOUGH SAID!!

[Ichophone]

IMO, this suggestion of Chiz e 50/50. Isang tingin ko dito e para hindi mahatak ng MATH alone *** kakayahan at interes nang isang bata. (Minsan dahil lamang na intimdate sa math napipilitang mag quit yung bata at magbulakbol na lang)

Imagine, sobrang galing sa english/language/grammar etc nung isang bata tapos nahila lang dahil above average lang ang grade nya sa math.

[soulontap]

Great Idea! Since our world ranking in math and science has been going down since the past decades might as well forget about it. *eyes roll up*.

['le_chatelier']

Siguro bagsak sa Math si Escudero noong nasa high school pa siya.. Sa ibang bansa nga high school pa lang marunong nang kumuha ng derivatives and marunong nang mag-integrate kahit kaunti, dito, high school matututunan mo arithmetic, ano ba?!

[C.I.C.C.I]

Question:

Is he a lawyer? I know he went to law school but dont know if he is licensed to practice?

[rabbaddal]

I don’t know what Escudero has in mind but I think some streamlining / rationalizing of the math curriculum is called for. But I don’t agree that it should be done for lack of job opportunities or because Filipinos won’t be using math in their lives. For example, there is a very high demand for vocational-trained industrial technicians with more than 1M jobs unfilled. These jobs require very good math skills because they entail a good amount of problem-solving and modeling ideas. There are also BPO jobs – both present and emerging – that don’t require college / BS Engineering education but entail a lot of number crunching and structured logic (ex. workforce analysts, process / workflow administrators, etc.). So there’s a very compelling reason to be good in math even at the HS level.

That being said, we have to understand that the public school system is such that it can’t even teach preliminary math such as arithmetic and algebra properly (see statistics re. math proficiency among elementary and HS students). Maybe geometry should be kept since they’ll need this to advance to technical drawing and drafting in vocational school; even carpenters will find geometry applicable. But we might be able to do without trigonometry and calculus if taking these away until such a time we can afford to teach them will help the public school system teach the preliminary math subjects better. We can also do without some of the subjects that Escudero is proposing to teach such as “good manners” and “right conduct”.

[Kolmogorov]

maybe escudero wants us to be the hub of technology...............SUPPORT!



please, wag niyo nang iboto ang taong ito.

[la_flash]

Lol, the purpose of education is not only to prepare ourselves to be working machinery in the future. It is also a means of preserving history, cultuvating cultural values and teaching us how to be good Filipinos.

in the same manner, education is not only for the preserving history, cultivatingn cultural values and teaching us how to be good Filipinos. It should also prepare us how to be good analytical thinkers and how to adapat to the fast-changing world that we are in right now.

How could you give importance to one aspect of education and ignore the other?

May I ask you, is "History" also relevant to our everyday lives? If so,
have you learned from it?

[layer]

i totally agree with this guy.. :)

ELECTIVES lang talaga for the subjects mentioned.. students will have an option.. to be honest with you guys.. mahal ko talaga yung mga subjects na trigo, geom and chem.. even physics.. i aced those subjects before.. why? coz i needed to build a foundation before penetrating med school.. it worked for me naman din kasi.. eh pano naman sa iba diba? ('cept for trigo kasi ewan ko talaga wala lang talagang use pa sa buhay ko now)

..just that kung kelangan and gusto naman **** itake ng isang student yung mga subjects na yun.. then itake.. so diba kaya nga dapat gawin electives eh.. im just sayin this coz im not a math hater (peace out faaip_de_oiad hehe).. just that.. naiintindihan ko lang talaga si chiz why he wants this to happen..

you needed to build a foundation and then you want them to be electives? math is almost absent in med school (except for some formulas you need to learn in physiology). algebra, trigo, and geom however taught you analytical thinking, which is what you need in med school (aside from memorization).

[layer]

I don’t know what Escudero has in mind but I think some streamlining / rationalizing of the math curriculum is called for. But I don’t agree that it should be done for lack of job opportunities or because Filipinos won’t be using math in their lives. For example, there is a very high demand for vocational-trained industrial technicians with more than 1M jobs unfilled. These jobs require very good math skills because they entail a good amount of problem-solving and modeling ideas. There are also BPO jobs – both present and emerging – that don’t require college / BS Engineering education but entail a lot of number crunching and structured logic (ex. workforce analysts, process / workflow administrators, etc.). So there’s a very compelling reason to be good in math even at the HS level.

That being said, we have to understand that the public school system is such that it can’t even teach preliminary math such as arithmetic and algebra properly (see statistics re. math proficiency among elementary and HS students). Maybe geometry should be kept since they’ll need this to advance to technical drawing and drafting in vocational school; even carpenters will find geometry applicable. But we might be able to do without trigonometry and calculus if taking these away until such a time we can afford to teach them will help the public school system teach the preliminary math subjects better. We can also do without some of the subjects that Escudero is proposing to teach such as “good manners” and “right conduct”.

most high schools don't teach Calculus anyway so whether or not Calculus should be scrapped is irrelevant. Geometry and Trigonometry go hand in hand, and anyone who has taken and understood these subjects should know that.

on the other hand, i think good manners and right conduct is something that more Filipinos really need.

all in all, it's just a ploy by stupid politicians to lure and take advantage of the stupid masses.

[layer]

That’s the problem with our present rank of politicians whose minds are just too corrupted. Their shortsightedness is being reflected by the deterioration of Philippine education.

Students should learn in high school all the basics to prepare them whatever course they may eventually pursue in college. No subject in high school can be irrelevant if these subjects get them ready for college irregardless of the course. Trigonometry and other mathematics subjects instill in each student not just numbers but also logic and common sense.

It’s true, how can a student determine the course that he has to take in college if he doesn’t know what subject he is good at while in high school because in the first place, the subject was not taught? How should one know that he is better prepared to become a chemist if he does not even know what chemistry is all about because according to Escudero, it is irrelevant for high schools?

Instead of too much blabbering and political grandstanding, he should create a bill that would enhance Philippine education rather than pushing it backward.

wow, for once i agree with you prince_nico.

[cole_trickle]

kaya tayo nauunahan ng mga ibang maliliit na bansa tulad ng Singapore dahil sa mga kolokoy na ito kung anu-anu naiisip. doesn't he know that math is the universal language and everything in our daily lives involves numbers???

[synthdriven_]

Escudero also suggested a revision of public schools’ curriculum that would reduce the number of regular subjects taught to students - from the current eight to 11, to six - as one way to reduce the classroom shortage.

Essential subjects, he said, would include Languages, including English and Filipino, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies or History, Computer and Good Manners and Right Conduct.

Subjects like trigonometry, calculus, geometry, and algebra, should be taught only in college or as high school electives since these are not relevant to the everyday life of Filipinos, he said.

“If by any chance they are able to reduce the curriculum by half, we would effectively double the number of classrooms in a day and overnight, because we can now use the classroom twice over instead of simply being used once, given the overburden curriculum that our children have,” he said.


Politicians must be losing new propositions to come up with for their platforms, because logical suggestions are seriously on the decline nowadays.

What happened to quality over quantity? Reducing the number of subjects so more students could utilize classrooms is a concept disadvantageous for students in the province if analyzed for the long run. If these students do choose to come to Manila later on for college, they would have a tougher time catching up with those who underwent the "normal" curriculum. I don't know with other people's opinions, but that poses another threat or discouragement for people in the province who wish to get better education. What more if they want to be given the chance to study in another country?

The need to be citizens that are globally-competitive has to be addressed, something Escudero lacked with this proposal. How can we achieve this if the quality of education in the province further declines? This increases the importance of education here in Manila, creating a bigger imbalance regarding the quality of education people receive throughout the Philippines. This isn't what we really need right now.

I still might be a high school student, but like the others here, I know the importance of the subjects aforementioned above. Although that it might be true that most of the time we aren't able to apply the direct lessons, they play a role in developing critical thinking skills, something that can rarely be exercised in subjects involving mostly memorization. Frankly, I can't imagine having lived throughout high school with me being given a chance to avoid those subjects if put in the shoes of a student in the province.

His suggestion simply doesn't make for one with a global perspective in mind, imho.

[rabbaddal]

most high schools don't teach Calculus anyway so whether or not Calculus should be scrapped is irrelevant. Geometry and Trigonometry go hand in hand, and anyone who has taken and understood these subjects should know that.


My point was I don't think you need to allocate a separate subject for trigonometry (ie, 3 hrs / wk / sem) in order to teach high school geometry. You can teach polygons, complimentary / supplimentary angles and basic calculations like perimeter / circumference, surface area and volume and 2-D cartesian plane, for example, without touching on radians, chords and hyperbolic functions. Anyone who has taken and understood geom and trigo should be able to get my drift.


on the other hand, i think good manners and right conduct is something that more Filipinos really need.


But should we teach these subjects in school at this point? Consider that there are costs associated with carrying these subjects in the curriculum and the budget for public schools is insufficient.

[alastig]

SCRAP MATH? HELL NO!!!COMMON SENSE LANG!!! MATHEMATICS SUBJECTS ARE MAJOR COURSES, ESPECIALLY IN THIS MODERN AGE!!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!! CHIZ IS CRAZY!! HE HAS NO RIGHT TO SCRAP TRIGO, CALCULUS ETC!! MAS GRABE PA PALA SI CHIZ KAYSA KAY MIRIAM!!! CHIZ DELIKADO ITO SA SENADO![/B] :grrr: ENOUGH SAID

[layer]

My point was I don't think you need to allocate a separate subject for trigonometry (ie, 3 hrs / wk / sem) in order to teach high school geometry. You can teach polygons, complimentary / supplimentary angles and basic calculations like perimeter / circumference, surface area and volume and 2-D cartesian plane, for example, without touching on radians, chords and hyperbolic functions. Anyone who has taken and understood geom and trigo should be able to get my drift.



But should we teach these subjects in school at this point? Consider that there are costs associated with carrying these subjects in the curriculum and the budget for public schools is insufficient.

nope, it was more of an attack against ill-mannered politicians. good manners and right conduct should have been taught in elementary.

while geometry and trigo are intimately related, the basis and emphasis of the two are different, so i think both have to be taught in high school as different subjects. geometry is not simply about computing perimeters/areas, etc, but more on postulates and proving theorems. the current system is good as it is, with geometry being taught in 3rd year and trigo during 4th year. like other people already said, we should work more on improving the quality of high school education rather than degrading it.

[C.I.C.C.I]

ARTICLE II
Declaration of Principles and State Policies
Principles

Section 17. The State shall give priority to education, science and technology, arts, culture, and sports to foster patriotism and nationalism, accelerate social progress, and promote total human liberation and development.

ARTICLE XIV
Education

Section 2. The State shall:

(1) Establish, maintain, and support a complete, adequate, and integrated system of education relevant to the needs of the people and society

Science and Technology
Section 10. Science and technology are essential for national development and progress. The State shall give priority to research and development, invention, innovation, and their utilization; and to science and technology education, training, and services. It shall support indigenous, appropriate, and self- reliant scientific and technological capabilities, and their application to the country's productive systems and national life.

[prince nico]

geometry is not simply about computing perimeters/areas, etc, but more on postulates and proving theorems.
....lessons that would harness and hone a student's ability in logic and common sense, something that this escudero i think is very much lacking.....

[totoolangnaman]

ARTICLE II
Declaration of Principles and State Policies
Principles

Section 17. The State shall give priority to education, science and technology, arts, culture, and sports to foster patriotism and nationalism, accelerate social progress, and promote total human liberation and development.

ARTICLE XIV
Education

Section 2. The State shall:

(1) Establish, maintain, and support a complete, adequate, and integrated system of education relevant to the needs of the people and society

Science and Technology
Section 10. Science and technology are essential for national development and progress. The State shall give priority to research and development, invention, innovation, and their utilization; and to science and technology education, training, and services. It shall support indigenous, appropriate, and self- reliant scientific and technological capabilities, and their application to the country's productive systems and national life.


It's either Escudero isn't even a good lawyer (puro daldal lang siya) because he doesn't know the Constitution, or he believes that Filipinos can excel in Scientific research and development without trigonometry, algebra, calculus and geometry.

[pumpysworld]

As it is, the curriculum is already "streamlined." Filipinos take only around ten years of pre-university education with no required vocational or technical subject compared to other Asians who take 12-13 years including a year for vocational training. There is no emphasis on national examinations or standards. Finally, several subjects were already compressed in the previous basic education curriculum revision.

Instead or removing more, why not find ways to add more to the educational budget? Philippine spending for education is a fraction of that of Asian neighbors, such as Malaysia and Thailand.

[maggie_13]

Imagine, sobrang galing sa english/language/grammar etc nung isang bata tapos nahila lang dahil above average lang ang grade nya sa math.

wow.. i can relate so much with this... above 85 ang average ko sa lahat ng subjects except math.. na-disqualify ako sa honors list kasi 79 average ko sa math nung 1st quarter... sobrang nakakahinayang talaga...

so nung narinig ko yung news tungkol nga dito sa plano ni chiz escudero, as a high school student, medyo natuwa ako.. sobra kasi ang burden ng trigo, calculus, etc. sa amin.. pero on the second thought, pag ginawang elective tong mga subjects na to ay nako! di ko na ma-imagine! IMO, if i were him, mag-iisip na lang ako ng ways para maging interested o kaya ganahan ang mga students sa subjects na 'to and mawala yung stereotyping nila na nuknukan ng hirap ang trigo, geometry, chem, calculus, etc! it's all in the mind, ika nga.......

[segneis]

Kamusta namang idea niya yan?! Bagsak na nga ang status ng Math and Science ng HS students particularly those in public schools tapos babawasan pa ng specific branches related to the two mentioned?

Medyo "stupid" ata. He thinks those subject areas should be scrapped simply because those aren't relevant to the students' everyday lives?!!? It's tantamount to saying that relevance to real life situation is an ultimate factor in subject selection for secondary education when in fact it is not (on my viewpoint). Those specific branches of Math and Sciences serve as basic foundations of higher learning. Besides, it's as if those subjects he mentioned as "essentials" are being integrated by the students themselves in their respective daily routines.

Secondary education should be look upon as a critical stage in the academic ladder. As I said before, I believe those subjects should be viewed collectively as a vital tool in coping with math and sciences taught in college regardless of what course one would pursue. At any degree, those would remain beneficial.

Lastly, I think Mr. Escudero should consult first real "educators" before further elevating his idea like passing a resolution. Nevertheless, I doubt if people from the academe would welcome such proposal.

[eli_xander]

After reading the Congress transcript and the news item, he just lost a vote from me. :D

It's obvious from his way of thinking and reasoning that he does not understand algebra, trigonometry and calculus.

Anyways, did he mention that he plans to scrap Chemistry also? I could not find it in the news item.

[faaip_de_oiad]

^ onga no. Did I just imagine it? :lol:

[scqg]

this is chiz's way of attracting votes from the youth. lessen the "hard work" in school since the youth doesn't realize its relevance 'til they face the real world. shame to this aspiring senator! palibhasa magaling kasi magsalita kaya gusto language lang i-focus. SUBSTANCE is important too.

[keener]

I agree (with pumpysworld) when you said that students should be taught vocational courses so that they can provide for themselves even if they havent attended college. But Filipinos are too proud to take vocational courses because they think of it as something low rather than something productive. Only those desperate ones are willing to take vocational courses although they can't deny that they want to go to college.


Naku.. magagalit sayo ang mga anti-GMA niyan. Remember that those leftist and anti-US groups are opposing vocational courses for Filipinos because, according to them, we become sources of cheap labor- nothing else.

I am pro administration. But I was planning to vote for chiz and sonia roco. After reading this, I think I will end up voting for only one GO member.

[Gospel of Judas]

I am pro administration. But I was planning to vote for chiz and sonia roco. After reading this, I think I will end up voting for only one GO member.
You are voting Cesar, Tessie and Chavit? :nuts:

[oychie]

Math teaches us simple to complex logic.... and these are what the Filipino needs. It really scares the hell outta me, if these subjects wouldn't be included in the curriculum.

I think he should watch Numb3rs! hehehehe

[Cholo219]

What could you expect from somebody named CHIZ?
And he's supposed to be the "Boses ng Senado"?
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz!!!!!!!

[pumpysworld]

If you think about it, most employers want college graduates and yet the jobs they do don't require a college degree. At the very least, they only need a year or two of basic bookkeeping, how to close deals, how to use various office equipment, etc. Anything beyond that can be learned through further seminars.

Adding more subjects and developing secondary school should be cheaper than requiring a college degree. Also, there are ways of crediting various vocational training leading to a college degree. That way, a person can have sufficient training to work right away and yet decide to continue his studies, especially if his company wants him to in exchange for a promotion.

The system that I mention is very practical, flexible, and much cheaper than what is being done right now. It also makes education affordable to the average high school graduate (because he can use his earnings through vocational work to receive further education) and decreases the cost spent on public education. That is why it is used in several Australasian countries.

Finally, with regards to non-practical subjects, they are needed because it is the goal of Philippine society to create not only knowledgeable workers but also Filipino citizens. That means subjects like music, the arts, literature, history, and mathematics should be taught. The private sector and the public sector (especially through the pork barrel and much money wasted due to corruption) can easily afford to provide such an education. Not only should these subjects be taught in school they should also appear in communities through public libraries, museums, classical and folk music groups, etc.

Understandably, basic needs come first, but even developing countries have something set aside for what makes them countries in the first place: their arts and sciences.

At the very least, if the Philippine middle class can afford to spend on various material luxuries then they should be able invest in things that are not only cheaper but in the long run matter more.

Hohum... why would employers hire high school graduates in the Philippines when they know that year by year, a lot of young Filipinos are graduating from college and a some of them even end up as bums because of the lack of job opportunities in the Philippines.

I agree (with pumpysworld) when you said that students should be taught vocational courses so that they can provide for themselves even if they havent attended college. But Filipinos are too proud to take vocational courses because they think of it as something low rather than something productive. Only those desperate ones are willing to take vocational courses although they can't deny that they want to go to college.

Hmmm... Certainly, adding subjects would truly help Filipinos gain more knowlegde or improve themselves intellectually, however, that is assuming everyone can pay the required tuition fees for elementary, secondary and college education. For the majority of the Filipinos who cannot even affort to sustain themselves with their basic needs, how will they be able to for educational needs if it would take that long to graduate. I suggest adding vocational subjects to high school students (as pumpysworld has suggested) but remove less useful subjects such as trigonometry and calculus since they wont be needing knowledge about such fields. Let us leave the trigonometry and calculus for the engineers. Us non-engineers do not need them in our day to day lives.

Also, to require the government to add additional subjects would mean adding the number of hours that one student would spend in school which would mean that lesser students would enjoy the utility of our public schools. Also, to add new subjects would require hiring new professors who specialize on these added subjects, also, this would also mean adding facilities such as classrooms, chairs etc. In the end we will be spending more money on trigonometry, calculus, elective accounting and other subjects when in fact we'll be studying Nursing anyway and work abroad as God knows what. I still can't see the point why we should spend time studying such subjects when we won't be using it in the future. I suggest that they teach these subjects to college students instead of teaching them to everyone in high school.

[quents]

baka gusto niya ipalit music, kasi kahawig raw niya si bamboo!!!

:lol:

of course music is a mathematical language....

[markfroilan]

kumusta naman ang bil bil mo chiz escudero?????nakikita kita sa institut santre sa buendia, isang gym spa for men,,,at ang rates,,,,dollars ang usapan,,,ksama niya si sitio beltran at isa pang mokong

[incognito_nova]

Favorite ko trigo,geo at chem nung hs. Ngayong college inulit lang, kaya hindi na din ako nakikinig sa prof.

[ermonski]

trigo, geometry and algebra!?!

mga paborito ko pa namang subjects yan! tatanggalin ni escudero!!

takot ata siya sa numero haha!!

oh well, buti na lang college na ako ngayon hehe

[pancit_luglog]

kawawa naman ang kabataang Pilipino.. kulang na nga ang natatanggap na edukasyon, babawasan pa...

hindi pagbabawas ng subjects ang sagot sa classroom shortage...

[C.I.C.C.I]

What happened with this proposition of his, now that he is a Senator?