GMA7's anime: the fall of Phillipine anime fandom [Archive]

gIrL00

Nov 23, 2000, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
I don't believe you guys!

Yes GMA made a step for Phillipine Otaku,Yes they made Anime accessible to the Skwaters of the Phillipines. BUT PEOPLE!:confused::eek:

Have you seen their shows? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Anime is the only thing that keeps them alive! Besides the news(which I hatefully must admit it's good), the positive feedback they get from viewers are dependent on their Anime! GMA's ratings increase when primetime comes!

my point is, It shows how overdependent we filipinos are to foreign countries! GMA's shows suck (Pintados,TGIS,etc) and that's why they need to lift their @$$es!:grr:

And about the GOTO-PARES,SKWATER-ANIME thing yeah, you get 250,000 and go to japan.Then what? Do you go to Akihabara and fiddle with electronics? or Tokyo and have sex with teenage shchoolgirls? For God's sake, they could even send you to anyplace in Japan that's Untouched by technology!

One more thing-I believe GMA should have rights to show english -dubbed anime because it teaches tohe children to make effort to study ENGLISH!!!!!!

What the heck are you so furious about???:angry: hey dude, this is a free country, people vary opinions on different topics so why don't you just accept that not ALL people have a great mind like yours...http://cgi.tripod.com/smilecwm/cgi-bin/s/net7/flamingdevil.gif

What I'm saying is, GMA sucks on almost every aspect, but to degrade the programs of your country that way could probably be one of the reasons why we hadn't excelled in this league at all...:rolleyes:

Why don't you just aim high so that one day you could be the key for success on the thing you complain most?

Chill out!:bop::| PEACE DUDE!:angel:

twisted_hate

Nov 23, 2000, 08:41 AM

Yes,yes...you have a point.

But why can't GMA be like ABS-CBN? I respect ABS-CBN for their anime because:
1. Most of Their anime are classics and/or educational (Huck Finn, Dog of Flanders, Swiss family Robinson, Nobody's child-ReMI)
2.They dub their anime in tagalog well unlike GMA who dubs too literally and Pilit/pasigaw like Genki from Monster rancher.(yeah except the Slayers. but nice jog on magic knight Rayeearth Intro. galing)
3.They do NOT rely on anime to prove that they have good shows.
4. Shampoo's accent (which I so adore:inluv:) is lost in tagalog dubbing.

i also repect ABC5's sailormoon, RPN 9's Kaitou Saint Tail and English ranma(TY!), and studio 23's Rouruni kenshin.

mhai

Nov 24, 2000, 04:26 AM

:grrr::grrr::grrr:

I DON'T GIVE A DAMN AS LONG AS IT'S JAPANESE ANIME?

PINTADOS? TGIS? NEVER HEARD!:rolleyes:

ABS-CBN AND GMA ARE 2 DIFFERENT STATION OKAY! IT'S CALLED "C O M P E T I T I O N" !!!!:bop::bop:

NOT ALL PEOPLE CAN AFFORD AND FOR THEM THE 250,000 + JAPAN ARE A PRETTY GOOD BARGAIN!

:bleh:

and don't call me just "people" i have name you know!!!!! :angry:

twisted_hate

Nov 24, 2000, 04:54 AM

HEHEHEHEHEEH:devil:

then YOU my friend- can only be called a VIEWER! Not an Otaku.

twisted_hate

Nov 24, 2000, 05:02 AM

An Otaku you are not. A true Anime fan is one who appreciates, understands and COLLECTS anime. In time, he/she develops honor and loyalty to the art. AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

mhai

Nov 24, 2000, 05:09 AM

oh really.....

WHATEVER!

Yoshi

Nov 24, 2000, 07:10 AM

Guys, please. This started out as a real decent topic. Let's accept the opinions of each other, and stick to the issue at hand, mmkay? If you want to argue, please do in a decent manner. At the rate you're going, I might just lock this thread and cut the discussion off.

~yuiren~

Nov 24, 2000, 11:30 AM

Yeah, Yoshi is definitely right there....It seems a bit silly to judge one another by where they watch or how they understand anime...

twisted_hate:You seem so old coz you've watched almost every anime that existed...just curious...do you have a life?:D:silly::D(no offense)
And before I forgot...don't be so sure of yourself most of the time coz you'll never know when you're not...:angel:

mhai:You go girl!Just relax...twisted_hate seems to be in a bad mood...be patient...:girl:

We all seem Anime fans here so LONG LIVE ANIME!:bop::cool::bop:

twisted_hate

Nov 25, 2000, 08:42 AM

No, I dhaven't watched all the anime in the world, and I just turned 18.:smokin::zzz:

yes I have a life. I'm a writer for my school's publication, I listen to all music genre, even 70's,60's orchestra,punk, ska,jazz and even new wave. I have lived a huge part of my life with violence in the neighborhood, I'm studying martial arts but not just the physical stuff but the philosophical value each one preaches. I play counter-strike and rainbow six. Yeah I maybe wrong about what a an anime fan is but most of my colleagues agree with me.And i hate Capitalists, which I'm guessing you to be.

Ian_langpo

Nov 25, 2000, 11:02 PM

BOTTOMLINE better if they translate Japanese Anime into English...why dont we suggest that?

kamotejojo

Nov 26, 2000, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by Steven20
Yep! GMA's anime sucks. Personally i can't stand tagalog-dubbed animes. Well you can always stick with AXN... they've got better animes like Rurouni Kenshin and You're under arrest. :)

di naman lahat. yung ghostfighter hindi, flame of recca rin... did you guys hear the english version of recca sa axn?! HORIBOL! TERIBOL! :grrr: white cross (knight hunters) oks din... pero yung mga bago ngayon? ranma: at bakit ganon mga boses nila?! at nasan nang mga punchline nila? fushigi: utang na loob! mahirap bang sabihin ang YUI kaya JULIE ang pinalit? at bat ganon boses ni tamahome?! frankly, it doesn't fit his personality! parang bold star/bedroom voice! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: tolerable na voice niya sa axn... if you've watched the fushigi sa axn, you will notice na masyadong overdramatic ang dubbing ng gma! to the point that the PUNCHLINES disappear! tsaka masyado sila garapal mag-advertise ng anime! really... masyado nang miaka-tamahome love team na yan! magandang fushigi, pero pag nasobrahan... enuff of fushigi. right on, steven20! axn, one of the best! you guys should try watching you're under arrest. its beauty lies in its SIMPLICITY. meaning alang tao na violet o green ang hair, alang phoenix at dragon! sori fushigi lovers, i just have to rub it in! :eek:
i prefer the dubbing of abs-cbn. sobrang laglag panga sa accuracy! yung farewell words ni Ayumi nung sinaksak siya ni shishio (gf ni Shishio sa samurai x), sobrang pareho sa english version! galing! kaya lang... di masyado magandang anime lineup ng abs... at ang digimon dubbing? filipino niyo na lang kung ganyan kapangit ang english dubbing niyo! my pamangkin bought an original english dub of it, and talagang na-elib ako. :goon:
ang punto ko? BUMILI NA LANG KAYO NG ENGLISH SUBTITLED NA ANIME!!! AT MAS CUTE SI HOTOHORI KESA KAY TAMAHOME!!! YO!!!
AT MAS MAGANDA SI KENSHIN KESA KAY KORI at MIAKA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

HOLY_CRAP

Nov 26, 2000, 01:11 AM

Actually, i think it's better if they just put subtitles. That way, none of the hype about the dubbing'll ever blow up.

*****

I know this is gonna be a biased reply since batang ABS-CBN ako, pero doesn't GMA have any idea that they're going kinda overboard? It was sweet at first when they brought Yuyu Hakusho back to the airwaves. I loved them for that. But the moment Voltes V came out and its theme song spread out like wildfire throughout the Philippines (Remember it even became the song for "and dating daan"? Ugh...), I began to sorta doubt GMA's noble (?) attempt to bring anime glory to our country.

And then it started. It's now more than just Otaku for them. It became a cult. A religion. Profit. Now there's nothing wrong with that... I ain't gonna be an old aunt and say "work not only for the pay, but because you love what you are doing." It's just that... anime ain't what it used to be... (Am i right, Real Otaku-tachi?)

Now ABS-CBN on the other hand (HOLY_CRAP gets ready to evade bullets from GMA loyalists), did a fairly good job on their anime mission. I remember mornings & afternoons spent with Sarah, Zenki, A Dog of Flanders, Fushigi no Umi ni Nadia, and many other anime shows which not only entertained and enriched my mind [with Intellectualized Filipino], but also gave me an escape from the horrors of real life.

FYI: I get my daily lessons from Sailormoon and Neon Genesis Evangelion. :)

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~yuiren~

Nov 26, 2000, 01:58 AM

Ok so now you're telling me that you really have a life...but what's the point of flaunting out your very perfect life here with matching drama about living in a violent neighborhood...(That's probably where you got your attitude anyway)...

It doesn't mean that you're absolutely correct just because your colleagues agree with you...

Dude...I don't even wanna argue with you anymore...I don't exchange blows in this kind of place which are not worthy of my time...

You hate capitalists...well same here...I hate narcissistic, egotistical, self-centered, bigheaded, arrogant males...(NO OFFENSE)

....have a nice day!

Moiraine

Nov 26, 2000, 04:36 PM

Mas gusto ko english-dubbed, I love Ranma but I couldn't stand the screeching high-pitched Tagalog voices sa GMA so I didn't watch it, kahit na I've never seen the episodes they were showing before. Feeling ko kasi masisira lang ang Ranma for me.

Back to the topic: I've searched the internet for different people's views on anime (I did a paper on it, believe it or not, and got a good grade too :)) and some otakus complained about GMA's "overloading" of anime and the way it's helping to shape people's wrong perception by showing only one kind of anime. You guys are right, anime is not just for kids. Anime is not a genre, it's just like any live action movie with different genres. Some anime titles are meant for adults, some for kids. The only difference is the story is told using animation as its medium.

Originally posted by kamotejojo
ang punto ko? BUMILI NA LANG KAYO NG ENGLISH SUBTITLED NA ANIME!!!

ahhh but here we come to another heated debate: Subtitled vs Dubbed hehehe

Originally posted by kamotejojo
AT MAS MAGANDA SI KENSHIN KESA KAY KORI at MIAKA!!!

:lol:!

HOLY_CRAP

Nov 26, 2000, 05:20 PM

to yuiren: YOU GO GIRL! :cool: :lol: :cool:

xyzseaman

Nov 27, 2000, 02:51 AM

You guys are lucky! Don't you know that it takes YEARS for Japanese Anime to reach the US because of legal whatsoever to produce it in English (for TV stations)....Yes, they have Anime in the US...VHS and DVD alike but you have to pay $30-$50 (depending on the series) Hell, they are just starting to show Magic Knight Rayearth here where in the Phils, I was lucky enough to watch all the series...you should be thankful you got the "goods"... *sniff* :~(

mhai

Nov 28, 2000, 12:13 AM

abs-cbn is good, i admit but they don't have JAPANESE ANIME!!!

better stick with the original. so i must learn japanese!
that's the best solution i can think of (for me).

and twisted_hate, why are you so bitter? someone kicked your ***?! :angel:

yurien you totally rock! :D

twisted_hate

Nov 29, 2000, 08:42 AM

Yeah, don't worry. I support ABS-cbn for their competitiveness. Anyway, yu yu would have been A bit better if they used their original names(this goes goes for the other anime as well.). you see, It would be kinda rare to have a boy named Eugene, or Alfred or vincent in japan. It's kinda like Pinapalabas na ang origin ng YuYu ay 'Pinas! And don't think I'm biased at how white guys dub anime- I heard some and most suck! Would you believe may soundtrack na Korn,STP, at Silverchair? What I'm trying to say is- Dub na kung Dub, Ayusin lang.

My Apologies to you, yurien. I was a little off my head that day and I'm really sorry for throwing S**t like that. But of course my Ideals remain and I didn't really mean to tell a short Bio of me.

As for you mhai, I understand you are a GMA loyalist(Hell you could be working there for all I know). But still, yurien did NOT kick my @$$. But I understand you want mine kicked(I am Twisted hate after all.). =kono-yaro....= That's good day to you in Japanese!!!!

[Took out the quote. Not necessary for yout reply.]

[Edited by Yoshi on 11-29-2000 at 12:46 AM]

~yuiren~

Nov 30, 2000, 07:41 AM

I was about to extend my hand as a peace sign here twisted_hate but I saw that you spelled my name incorrectly...also mhai...

Goodness.....Anyway, just for the record...it's YUIREN with a ~ on both sides...that's all...:rolleyes:

And before I forgot...twisted...I never thought of kicking your ***...oh well, you gave me an idea...nice meetin you all...:D

It's one hell of an Anime day!!!http://cgi.tripod.com/smilecwm/cgi-bin/s/asian/pcheers1.gif

Totnak Boy

Nov 30, 2000, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by xyzseaman
You guys are lucky! Don't you know that it takes YEARS for Japanese Anime to reach the US because of legal whatsoever to produce it in English (for TV stations)....Yes, they have Anime in the US...VHS and DVD alike but you have to pay $30-$50 (depending on the series) Hell, they are just starting to show Magic Knight Rayearth here where in the Phils, I was lucky enough to watch all the series...you should be thankful you got the "goods"... *sniff* :~(

dude, GMA even used those legal mumbo-jumbo as defense for the dubbing operations they have undergone. They said that the anime creators required GMA to dub the anime in filipino and so they did. Anyway, the whole crapload of sh*t's located @ weareanime.com (http://weareanime.com). Go check it out.

twisted_hate

Nov 30, 2000, 09:42 AM

Well, I can't keep hating GMA through PeX, especially if Mhai can't take what I think of them(this site is for speaking our minds,for God's sake)

Anyway,~yurien~ Peace! forget evrything I wrote,K?! Mhai-errrr....Kono-Yaro!

I know what kind of Fan I am-I'm just a loyalist. There's no way I can Stand up to Fans of GMA with only a few guys with the same idea to back me up. Now, my ideas will stay but I respect all of yours either.Hell- there might be a skwater kid who's only interest in anime is hentai who could have even a fraction of sense in his words.
anyway....GOMENNASAI!!!!!!:)

~yuiren~

Nov 30, 2000, 12:56 PM

Dear twisted_hate,

It's ~yuiren~, ~yuiren~, ~yuiren~, as in Y-U-I-R-E-N...

Forget I said anything...

You can call me yurien as long as you want but I'm not it...

:)

P.S. GMA is not deserving to promote Anime coz for a fact their translations get a bit far from the real meaning of the lines said by the characters...they lose the true essence of the real Anime...coz their only concern is to lift their credibility to level them with their competitors in the industry...so to lessen the headache & keep yourself sane ----> Just stick with AXN! It makes life easier for all of us...:silly:

SoLiNaRi^

Dec 1, 2000, 06:10 AM

GMA was on the right track when it started with yuyu hakusho, then, pokemon which was ok because they stuck with the english dubbing..... but then.....
I mean, *** da hell happened!!!!
I have nothing against filipino dubbing. I hated anime in tagalog before, but yuyu kakusho (channel 13) changed that for me! then Recca! You all have to admit, that the tagalog version of Recca is waaaaaaaaay better than axn's!!!
I guess it all depends on the voice actors/actressess....

but I still prefer subtitled versions over dubbed.... either english or tagalog!!!

SoliduS_AlphA

Dec 1, 2000, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Ian_langpo
BOTTOMLINE better if they translate Japanese Anime into English...why dont we suggest that?

ganyan talaga.. sa sobrang mahal kasi ng materials para sa mga anime shows at sa talent fee kaya napilitan sila na gawing tagalog yun... hayaan ninyo pagnagkita uli kami ng webmaster ng weareanime.com sasabihin ko sa kanya ang mga hinaing ninyo .. ok ?
gusto ko rin naman ng ingles dahil yun ang inabutan ko nung bata pa ako.. well sa tingin ko ganito gawin ninyo.... email nyo na lang siya or visit: http://wwww.weareanime.com
ok ? all you ask about anime masasagot niya yun ...

*ABA FREAKY*

Yoshi

Dec 1, 2000, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by SoLiNaRi^You all have to admit, that the tagalog version of Recca is waaaaaaaaay better than axn's!!!

Actually, I liked the AXN dubbing more. Parang ang funny kasi pakinggan nung mga "technical" stuff in Tagalog; it just doesn't sound right. However, the voice talent of the Filipino Recca is much better than AXN's when compared to the original Japanese dub. Recca sounds like a wuss in English.

VioletJersey

Dec 3, 2000, 07:13 AM

First of all, I'm a lover of animé... in any language!!! i mean let's give GMA a chance to improve... be lucky to have animé here!?! in the US, they barely have animé to watch at... i know someone who spent $400 just so that he can watch an animé or two...

if you can see, most of the dubbers of GMA are the same... i think they have around 5-6 voice actors that are active at the moment... the pay is not good and believe me, voice acting is a hard job!?!

i do admit that ABS-CBN made one of the best choices in selecting for their animés... and i'm glad they got EVA first becoz if GMA dubbed it... I WOULD GO INSANE!!!

Another reason is becoz ABS-CBN prefers its anime to be of critical acclaim (EVA, RK) while GMA goes for mainstream anime which can be pretty dragging in the end...

My conclusion... let's try to understand the dubbing business here in the Phils. We are not like ADV, Viz and Pioneer who can spend hundreds of dollars just to make their dubbing as good as it can be...

if you feel like helping the dubbing industry improve further... support their cause!!! if you have the talent... be a voice actor (i know i would). we're lucky we have animé at the moment... if we didn't have animé then life would have been pretty boring...

neways, i'm glad we had a discussion like this!?! i've been dying to voice out my opinions on the Tagalog dubbings of our anime for so long...

PS: FY's Tagalog dubbing is the worst yet!?! like the way they dubbed Trigun and BubbleGum Crisis... and you're right kamotejojo... KENSHIN IS FAR MUCH PRETTIER THAN KAORU AND MIAKA!!!

Jacob

Dec 3, 2000, 11:12 PM

I tend to agree that some Pinoy translations can be downright irritating, but I'm glad GMA and ABS-CBN has brought some kick-*** anime programs here in our shores. Now, I won't have to rely on bootleg and overpriced copies found in Greenhills.

What's wrong with spreading anime to the masses? Should only a few enjoy this moving art form? Is it in the category of an anime lover to spend dollars or pesos on overpriced copies? Yes, GMA (even ABS-CBN) may have lost something in the translation pero at least they exert effort to bring us these shows. Because of them, I can watch Bubblegum Crisis 2040, Trigun, Samurai X, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Gundam Wing, and Vision of Escaflowne without shelling my hard-earned money.

^J-Man^

Dec 5, 2000, 12:55 AM

This is a free country pero halos lahat kayo tama ang panget ng dubbing pero hinde lahat ng shows panget. Katulad ng Trigun maganda ang pagka dubbed tama tamang lang hinde masyadong maarte ang mga boses. Maganda rin yun dahil nagkakaron tayo ng knowledge about anime' Yun lang muna la na akong masabi "FOR LOVE AND PEACE........"

ducksoup

Dec 5, 2000, 10:51 AM

GMA is doing a very dangerous thing by saturating primetime with anime. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next year we see less of anime. For the purists, GMA doesn't not really care about anime. Anime means easy money to these guys, promoting the genre is the least of their concerns. When anime is no longer "in", I doubt it if GMA and ABS-CBN will spend money to keep this particular genre alive. People who work for these big networks are pragmatic. They've sacked big name artistas in the past, why not foreign cartoons. I'm not much of an anime fan, but I know what I like (Ninja scroll, Cowboy Bebop, Yu Yu Hakushu)so I am entitled to a scathing opinion on the subject.

If there's another thing that's sad about what GMA and ABS-CBN is doing to anime it's the fact that they fill time slots where kids are supposed to be doing their homework with stuff they would like to see. I've got two kids at home who have a hard time studying because they want to watch anime. I believe in study time, so they hardly watch these shows, but I also feel bad because I would want them to see this shows. Sayang.

Ornshwaggle

Dec 5, 2000, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by kamotejojo

di naman lahat. yung ghostfighter hindi, flame of recca rin... did you guys hear the english version of recca sa axn?! HORIBOL! TERIBOL! :grrr: white cross (knight hunters) oks din... pero yung mga bago ngayon? ranma: at bakit ganon mga boses nila?! at nasan nang mga punchline nila? fushigi: utang na loob! mahirap bang sabihin ang YUI kaya JULIE ang pinalit? at bat ganon boses ni tamahome?! frankly, it doesn't fit his personality! parang bold star/bedroom voice! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: tolerable na voice niya sa axn... if you've watched the fushigi sa axn, you will notice na masyadong overdramatic ang dubbing ng gma! to the point that the PUNCHLINES disappear! tsaka masyado sila garapal mag-advertise ng anime! really... masyado nang miaka-tamahome love team na yan! magandang fushigi, pero pag nasobrahan... enuff of fushigi. right on, steven20! axn, one of the best! you guys should try watching you're under arrest. its beauty lies in its SIMPLICITY. meaning alang tao na violet o green ang hair, alang phoenix at dragon! sori fushigi lovers, i just have to rub it in! :eek:
i prefer the dubbing of abs-cbn. sobrang laglag panga sa accuracy! yung farewell words ni Ayumi nung sinaksak siya ni shishio (gf ni Shishio sa samurai x), sobrang pareho sa english version! galing! kaya lang... di masyado magandang anime lineup ng abs... at ang digimon dubbing? filipino niyo na lang kung ganyan kapangit ang english dubbing niyo! my pamangkin bought an original english dub of it, and talagang na-elib ako. :goon:
ang punto ko? BUMILI NA LANG KAYO NG ENGLISH SUBTITLED NA ANIME!!! AT MAS CUTE SI HOTOHORI KESA KAY TAMAHOME!!! YO!!!
AT MAS MAGANDA SI KENSHIN KESA KAY KORI at MIAKA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
hi! :) siguro nga ngayon mas maganda yung minention mo kesa kay miaka, but i think you'll like her when the ova starts to show.
Hotohori is definitely beautiful but tamahome is sexy!

Ornshwaggle

Dec 5, 2000, 11:20 AM

PAHABOL PO:
Merong nagpaparent ng japanese anime sa may Binondo, uncut version pa, if i were u guys, wag nyo na laitin ang GMA, do what i'm doing dubbing it from axn, or renting from this place at masangkay street which my friend recomended. peace out u guys, okay lang yun! Manood na lang kayo ng anime sa axn pag ayaw nyo ng tagalog diba? I watch FY every friday even though i've finished it, kaya matuwa na lang tayo sa biyaya na ating natatamo para sa mundo ng Japanese anime hehehe... cge!

~yuiren~

Dec 6, 2000, 05:15 AM

Ornshwaggle: Hey it's a good idea!!! I actually have a friend in Binondo...San don? Can you give me the address????
PLSSSSSSSSS.....Oh God, I just remembered...why did you have to announce this before Christmas??? I have a load of things to buy....ANYWAY...:rolleyes:

for the sake of Anime....san ulit???:bop:

mhai

Dec 6, 2000, 06:11 AM

hey Y-U-I-R-E-N, i have news for you girl :D:D:D

totally agree with the idea of just buying the videos. of course, it's expensive but who cares it's JAPANESE ANIME as twisted_hate would have said "as long as it's not from GMA." :angel:

I DO NOT WORK FOR GMA, I JUST STICK WITH WHAT I BELIEVE IN, GOT ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?! :grrr:

[Edited by Yoshi on 12-06-2000 at 01:51 AM]

twisted_hate

Dec 6, 2000, 07:55 AM

Mhai,Mhai,Mhai...I'd love to.

You guys, don't think I totally support AXN. I have to admit:grrr:that GMA did a bit better than AXN pagdating sa RECCA(based on a private survey I made). AXN kasi is ingapore based kaya bawal magmura. Nakakasawa din marinig yung "DARN IT!" o "You Idiot!". At tipid sila sa dubber(hell you could hear the same voice at most 5 times in a single episode!). And don't anyone dare tell me that Filipinos should be praised for their dubbing; because the shows aren't Filipino to begin with. And Mhai, this is PeX. Everyone has his or her own opinion and that is is what this site is all about.I respected your opinion,now respect mine. Iyuren, Yoorien, iurien-don't mistake this for another person who's overly sensitive about her/his name:Just...do what you want....

VioletJersey

Dec 6, 2000, 08:56 AM

this is my opinion on the whole AXN/GMA dubbing scheme - 1st of all... wag naman nating laitin masyado ang Tagalog dubbing dito... di nyo ba alam na isa tayo sa pinaka-tanggap at mahusay na dubbed language sa mundo ng animé (besides japanese and some english of course). our dubbing is even better than those dubbed in French, German and Spanish... trust me, i have a copy of an essay about the debate on "Subbed vs Dubbed" so i know *** i'm talking abt...

second... singaporean dubbing is very much restricted just like *** twisted_hate mentioned. bawal silang magmura at magpakita nang anything na provokes homosexuality (proof: yung cut sa FY na kissing scene in Tamahome at Nakago). At saka, di nyo ba napapansin na paulit-ulit lang ang mga palabas sa AXN no!?! i mean... nakakasawa din naman din panoorin ang isang palabas na kakatapos lang after a week or two ay ipalalabas ulit (ex. Dual! was shown 3x this year on 3 different timeslots!?! i mean... sobra na talaga yon!?!). ok, i'm a fan of AXN pero i really would like to see a new animé ever now and then no!?!

sorry kung mahaba to pero di ko na talaga matiis ang panglalait sa Tagalog dubbed... ok, nakakairita sya pero kaya pa rin ayusin yan eh!?! just be open to the possibilities that Tagalog dubbed can work... at saka paano naman yung hindi marunong umintindi ng English na gustong manood nang animé... ipagdadamot ba natin ang pagkakataon na yon... magalit na kayong lahat sa akin... pero I support animé through and through... BOTH IN ENGLISH, JAPANESE AND ESPECIALLY TAGALOG!!!

ervinstu

Dec 6, 2000, 09:22 AM

If there are any scum in the TV anime programming, well it's GMA, no less.

I agree with you guys, this capitalistic station shouldn't even dare desecrate pure Japanese art!!! IT'S A SHAME!

Yoshi

Dec 6, 2000, 03:57 PM

Please, do not result to flaming the people responding to the thread if their opinions vary from yours. You're disrupting the discussion flow this way. Just respect everyone's opinions, mmkay? Argue, prove your point, but do not flame.

mhai, I'd really appreciate it if you tone down a little. twisted_hate, don't encourage people to fight you back. Just let them be.

Consider this as a warning, people. I'm a bit peeved already by the many anime-related discussions, most of which have been unsubstantive. But this has been one of the best anime-related discussions, and I want it to remain at that, mmkay?

I hope all of you get my drift.

Ornshwaggle

Dec 6, 2000, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by ~yuiren~
Ornshwaggle: Hey it's a good idea!!! I actually have a friend in Binondo...San don? Can you give me the address????
PLSSSSSSSSS.....Oh God, I just remembered...why did you have to announce this before Christmas??? I have a load of things to buy....ANYWAY...:rolleyes:

for the sake of Anime....san ulit???:bop:

tanong ko sa friend ko pero mabilis lang hanapin yun basta along masangkay st. tanong ko... rent ol u can 4 d hul year just be a member. 500 pesos rent ol u can daw eh!!! :)

mhai

Dec 7, 2000, 01:24 AM

i'll respect your opinion if you'll respect mine!!!!!! :grrr: you make it sounds like if others don't share your say, they are stupid!

you know what twisted_hate, you are the most exasperating man I’ve ever met.. you never back down do you? :rolleyes:

sorry :shy: yoshi, can't helped it, when it comes to twisted_hate people tend to do things they won't normally do....

^miyu^

Dec 7, 2000, 03:54 AM

mahilig ako sa anime. kaya lang kung bakit naman tinatagalog pa kasi ng gma yung anime na pinapalabas nila eh may english version naman. kaya tuloy minsan naiiba ang story, katulad ng ranma naiba ang story nya! anywayz siguro para sa mga batang maliliit....para maintindihan siguro

twisted_hate

Dec 7, 2000, 04:27 AM

Mhai, I respect your opinion as much as I respect those who support my cause.

Anyway, I don't have anything against Filipino dubbing; only the way it's been distorted. It's GMA I loathe remember? What's important to me is the respect for the genre, not its extinction in this nation. Did you know that Ranma is a sex comedy? Obviously, GMA overlooked that fact and showed it anyway because it was a hit in the US. I believe that GMA's goal is to increase ratings through the majority of the nation: the children. Why? Because I know that one who knows anime sees it as a different genre, unlike GMA- they see this as just another cartoon.And I don't have anything against Anime being distributed through shops or rentals; Just the 'garapal' pirating style like I've seen in Harrison Plaza. Would you believe-A store named Animemia(basta nasa top floor)was supposed to sell Anime goods, meaning kenshin kechains,fushigi comix, etc. But then how come 80 percent of the whole stand is filled with adult anime videos(lantaran,grabe!)? There's an example of Filipinos destroying the art I so longfully admired.

heheheheheehe......:devil::grrr::mad:

twisted_hate

Dec 7, 2000, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by ^J-Man^
This is a free country pero halos lahat kayo tama ang panget ng dubbing pero hinde lahat ng shows panget. Katulad ng Trigun maganda ang pagka dubbed tama tamang lang hinde masyadong maarte ang mga boses. Maganda rin yun dahil nagkakaron tayo ng knowledge about anime' Yun lang muna la na akong masabi "FOR LOVE AND PEACE........"

not really, a few alterations kinda killed it (yung sa akin lang). I've seen yung english kasi. And about knowledge of anime- Knowledge truly is power, for I have seen Knowledge enslave people.

anne_f

Dec 7, 2000, 06:30 AM

umm dati, okay lang na sabihin ko sa friends ko na nanonood ako ng anime and stuff.. pero ngayon parang hiyang hiya na ako sabihin yun... pano ba naman-- naa-associate nila sa kacornihan ng GMA... pwede na sana yung GMA, yung iba naman na series na nilalabas nila okay... di naman ganon ka dami yung luma at cheap na anime (doraemon, combatler v, mojacko..)pero ang labas ngayon corny at mababaw.. bakit? :angry: kasi tinagalog, pinalitan yung ibang script, pinalitan yung names, tapos nagdagdag sila ng corny na puns na di naman talaga kasama (yun nga iniba script), at pangit
yung mga boses ng dubbers nila... nakakairita... kahit yung pagpronounce nila ng words pangit! :grrr: ang isa pang ayaw ko yung gumagawa sila ng commercials ng anime na ubod ng corny... yung mga love love at yung anime anime... (eg. saan papunta si erika? sa anime anime!) :confused: umm actually di naman ganon exacto yung words... di ko lang kabisado.. tapos parang ang cheap na ngayon pag narinig mo ang anime... cheap ang labas mo sa ibang tao.. tapos yung anime thing sa megatrade hall? grabe mga pumunta, people from all walks of life... pangit yung mga pumuntang stores.. wala man lang comic alley o c.a.t.s o comic express... yung anima anime lang na walang silbi! sabi nila punta raw kami sa store nila sa katipunan-- wala naman palang laman!!!! :boom: nasayang lang gas namin.. cheap kasi sponsors... tapos andaming walang connection sa anime.. cheerleaders, karate exhibitionists at yung filipino artist na di naman gumagawa ng anime... yung role playing at costume thingie? :eek: ubod ng corny.. sayang lang yung binayad kong advance para sa 2 tickets... nanood na lang kami ng sine sa baba... pero i'm still an anime fan-- ayoko lang sa GMA... =)
(wala sanang magalit)

~yuiren~

Dec 7, 2000, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
Mhai,Mhai,Mhai...I'd love to.

You guys, don't think I totally support AXN. I have to admit:grrr:that GMA did a bit better than AXN pagdating sa RECCA(based on a private survey I made). AXN kasi is ingapore based kaya bawal magmura. Nakakasawa din marinig yung "DARN IT!" o "You Idiot!". At tipid sila sa dubber(hell you could hear the same voice at most 5 times in a single episode!). And don't anyone dare tell me that Filipinos should be praised for their dubbing; because the shows aren't Filipino to begin with. And Mhai, this is PeX. Everyone has his or her own opinion and that is is what this site is all about.I respected your opinion,now respect mine. Iyuren, Yoorien, iurien-don't mistake this for another person who's overly sensitive about her/his name:Just...do what you want....

Hey dear twisted_hate...I really appreciate your point but the whole damn thing really sucks...I know all of us here connotes one idea toward another but maybe you should accept the truth that your despicable language just irritates people so much so maybe you better lay off a little! (I'm patient with those who need it...)

Anyway, I hope you'll not take this personally but your aura has some kind of I-dunno-what-the-heck-it-is that encourages people to despise you...

This thread had a good start but I feel so bummed that it turned out this BAD all because of YOU...

For the last time...my name's YUIREN...maybe you don't care if anyone would call you twister_fries or whatever but I DO...

Back to Anime people...(sorry for being tactless & the interruption...)

And pls....let's just stop this nonsense...

twisted_hate

Dec 7, 2000, 09:48 AM

Well, I respect someone who talks like you do and like I told Mhai-I respect your opinion as much as those who support my cause. It's a free country(or website) and You are entitled to express what you believe in any way you want to as long I mean no direct insult to a certain individual who is against me. I can go on and on replying and complaining but my views will remain firm in my mind.

Coming soon- what I have to say about how the whole Anime-Anime B.S. started and how GMA gets the money.

(Can't right now, I got my finals.)

hehehehehehehehehehhehehehe:devil::mad::grrr:

Ornshwaggle

Dec 7, 2000, 12:28 PM

If you guys want a collection of anime... meron akong friend na nagrerecord ng anime in axn and sometimes yung mga uncut versions nila... anyways anyone interested sabihan nyo nalang ako...

about the GMA thing... siguro, magpasalamat nalang tayo na nagpalabas sila ng anime in local tv screen. Tanggap ko na siguro na balang araw si Miaka na ang maghahanap kay Tamahome like Erica is doing right now with richard... Baduy man tingnan or hinde... marami na rin nanonood... in fact i don't think the tagalog version is baduy... okay naman eh... can it be anymore worse than the dubbing of GMA? Baka nga d lang natin alam sa ibang bansa mas matindi pagdudub ang ginagawa nila... at mas panget pa... okay na rin dito... Dun sa mga ayaw sa dubbing ng GMA, try nyo nalang maghanap nga ng mga vhs dami naman benta or rent jan... may mahahanap rin kayo. diba?
Pero ang japanese anime assault ng GMA mali ang oras... sana wag itapat sa time na bata lang nanonood... kc iba na ang japanese anime ngayon... kung tutuusin nga pang adult na ang kwento eh diba? Kung la lang mga Hard Action pede na pag PG13 lang yun... well anyways... PEACE NA KAYO YOU GUYS! CHAO!

mhai

Dec 8, 2000, 01:50 AM

REALLY twisted_hate? YOU?!!! RESPECT MY OPINION?!

if you put it that way, i guess i have no choice but to accept yours..... :D have to admit you ALMOST convinced me.

finals? you from DLSU or CSB? :eek: damn, for all i know you're from my school! worst one of my blockmates...! :lol:

jalapeno

Dec 8, 2000, 01:58 AM

sa mga mahilig sa Rurouni Kenshin (aka Samurai X), axn's showing it again starting dec. 28, 7 pm.

why don't you share your anime opinions at http://www.animegrapevine.com

twisted_hate

Dec 8, 2000, 02:46 AM

Now for you Anime lovers...

As I recall it was not GMA who started the entire Anime thing. In fact it was IBC 13 and RPN 9. Back in the 70's the Anime hit Voltes five debuted here in the Philippines. However due to the Marcos rule, Such shows were banned because those Government ******** said It was "too violent" for young minds. In the early 80's Voltes Five made a big comeback, and brought along Tetsuwan Atomu(astroboy, in color),Daimos,the first Sentai show o the Philppines-Bioman. But at that age, ratings didn't soar high as expected for IBC 13 even if they had Voltes V paraphernalia promotions in advertisements. Once again, they had to cancel the show. Many years later, different Anime have appeared in almost every channel, catching the Children's attention every afternoon of late in the morning. I guess GMA took notice of this, and bought all the Voltes five episodes believing it would make huge impact on the Kids And it was successful. And then they got Ghostfighter(yu yu hakusho. Successful again. With the kids at the palm of their hand, they knew they can make more money out of it. And thus the monopoly.

Next-the continuation

hehehehehehe:devil::mad::grrr:

VioletJersey

Dec 8, 2000, 02:47 AM

here are my comments:

1) para sa tatlong nag-aaway dyan (do i have to mention your names!?!) twisted_hate, why can't you just type ~Yuiren~'s name right!?! she's just asking for you to correct the way she spells her name tapos ayaw mo paring gawin!?! at saka (this goes for the three of you), kung may nais kayong ipahiwatig na opinyon... siguraduhin nyo lang na wala kayong natatapakan! pls don't make other think na baduy ang mga tong nanonood ng animé na tagalog...i love to watch animés on GMA and I'M DAMN PROUD OF IT!!! pls lang, maawa naman kayo kay Yoshi... he's tryign his best as a moderator... and you're not helping! i don't know you and you don't know me pero pls... let's not fight over this whole thing!?! :(

2) Anima Anime is not that bad! i mean pls try to understand na mahirap umorder ng mga merchs esp. pag hard to find! yung iba kasi di na nagpa-publish or gumagawa ng mga mangas, artbook, at iba pang merchs na gusto natin... and the people there are really nice!!! i mean, one of their founders even delivered a CD for me just becoz i live far away from their shop!!! nakakahiya nga pero he was really very kind enough to do so! at saka yung shop sa Harrison Plaza (this is for twisted_hate...) FYI, they are not selling pirated stuff!?! doon ko kaya nabili yung soundtrack ko nang Escaflowne the Movie... at original sya!!! babalik nga ako doon para bumili ulit ng CD... at yung tungkol sa hentai... you cannot deny that hentai is a genre of animé at hello... maraming tao ang mahilig sa hentai!?! buti nga parami na ang mga animé shops unlike b4!?! :grrr:

3) to Ornshwaggle, tnx for being so open-minded about the whole thing... sana lahat ng anime fans ay katulad mo!!! ;)

PS: Ano ba naman ang AXN!!! ipapalabas ulit nila ang Dual!, Grander Musashi, Burn Up Excess at saka Samurai X!!! NAKAKASAWA NA SILA HA!?! WALA NA BA SILANG IBANG MAIPAPALABAS!!! at least sa GMA at ABS-SCN, may bagong animé palagi!?! di tuloy nakakasawa!!! IYAN BA ANG MAIPAGMAMALAKI NYONG KAGANDAHAN NG AXN!!!

:mad: :grrr: :mad:

twisted_hate

Dec 8, 2000, 07:20 AM

Hey,hey,hey Violetjersey...

Can I help it if I can't type that well? Nagkamali lang ako ng pindot, Sumabog na yung butsi nitong si YUIREN. And I kinda like it if my name gets mispelled every once in a while but I understand some people don't.

And I never gave my full support to AXN- just read my other messages! And AGAIN-I have nothing against Filipino-dubbed Anime- just the dubbers the channels chose for the anime, kasi ampangit( this goes to AXN in some parts too! I hate the way GMA manipulates the kids through proclaiming themselves the ones who have the best in the country!

Hentai-everyone can get to that, yes. But It was because GMA linked themselves to an anime site that has big link on its main page that says HENTAI. This country does not need a company that gives access to Adult fun to CHildren with easy access!

hehehehehehehe:mad::devil::grrr:

kamotejojo

Dec 8, 2000, 08:52 AM

i heard from someone here that sam x is gonna be shown sa axn again this december... NANI??????!!!!!!!?????? what the... okay lang sila? how can they expect anime to survive if paulit-ulit yung mga pinapalabas nila? :angry: there are so many great anime series/movies out there. buti pang GMA at ABS may mga BAGONG anime... yes, they may have some flaws (ok, lotsa flaws), but you guys can't deny that they are still on a "trial" stage now. so is it a craze? for others yes, me? not! :D
an ex-blockmate of mine who loved anime a few years back said recently that he doesn't watch anime anymore dahil "mature" na siya... oh well, opinyon niya yon. :(
for us true anime lovers, how can we expect it to live long kung katulad ninyo ang ex-blockmate ko?
how can you expect it to exist in the local stations if you're gonna desert locally-dubbed animes just because of a few bad apples?
how you gonna expect it to survive kung PARE-PAREHO lang ang mga ipinapalabas niyo? :grrr:
only with our support can this wonderful genre in movie and tv survive...

Originally posted by twisted_hate
Hentai-everyone can get to that, yes. But It was because GMA linked themselves to an anime site that has big link on its main page that says HENTAI. This country does not need a company that gives access to Adult fun to CHildren with easy access!

true, true... another flaw of gma. children gaining access? depende na rin yan sa discretion ng mga parents. better yet, twisted and all of us anime lovers, let us make it our noble task to protect innocent minds from hentai anime.
we can start by telling gma to DISH THE HENTAI LINK!!! i agree with violetj that hentai is an established sub-genre of anime. but of course, their contents should be viewed with responsibility... :) :) :)

VioletJersey

Dec 8, 2000, 08:58 AM

ok... so maybe you're not a good typer... pero why can't you just tell her that... nagpo-provoke ka pa kasi ng away!?! i think if you just tell her na typo error lang yon, eh di mauunawaan nya!?! :bop:

ok... let me just say that not all of our dubbers are that bad. I do like *** Monty Repuyan and Dang Carlos done for Mosquiton and Trigun... as well as the dubbers of BG Crisis and Weiss Kreuz... Aya Blanco, Wendy De Leon, Eric Resurrection, Michael Punzalan and the dubbers of EVA are pretty good too...

to be honest... GMA is definitely responsible if ever kids do get access to Hentai sites... pero i think if you tell kids *** Hentai is, i think they would be more responsible for their actions and it would give them the oppurtunity to be more mature of their actions... trust the kids! i think they would know whether their actions are right or wrong...

you know, try to be more open-minded over this matter, ok!?! i respect your opinion and i think maybe you're right... pero magkakamali ka rin, at sana matanggap mo yun!?! :rolleyes:

PS: ~Yuiren~, let me just say that i love your username!?! i wish you wouldn't mind if i name my daughter after you... :shy: :p

VioletJersey

Dec 8, 2000, 09:15 AM

i heard from someone here that sam x is gonna be shown sa axn again this december... NANI??????!!!!!!!?????? what the... okay lang sila? how can they expect anime to survive if paulit-ulit yung mga pinapalabas nila? there are so many great anime series/movies out there. buti pang GMA at ABS may mga BAGONG anime... yes, they may have some flaws (ok, lotsa flaws), but you guys can't deny that they are still on a "trial" stage now. so is it a craze? for others yes, me? not!
an ex-blockmate of mine who loved anime a few years back said recently that he doesn't watch anime anymore dahil "mature" na siya... oh well, opinyon niya yon.
for us true anime lovers, how can we expect it to live long kung katulad ninyo ang ex-blockmate ko?
how can you expect it to exist in the local stations if you're gonna desert locally-dubbed animes just because of a few bad apples?
how you gonna expect it to survive kung PARE-PAREHO lang ang mga ipinapalabas niyo?
only with our support can this wonderful genre in movie and tv survive...

you go girl!?! :lol: if we keep on criticizing our animé programing... baka tuluyan nang mawala ang animé sa Pinas... at pag nangyari yon... MABABALIW AKO!!! :crazy:

be grateful of the efforts GMA and ABS are doing in order for us to have animé viewing for free!?! i know some of you can afford to buy tons of VHS, VCDs and DVDs of various animés, pero... paano naman doon sa hindi!!! wag nyo kaming ipagdamot!!! :angry: :grrr: :mad:

~yuiren~

Dec 8, 2000, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by VioletJersey
i heard from someone here that sam x is gonna be shown sa axn again this december... NANI??????!!!!!!!?????? what the... okay lang sila? how can they expect anime to survive if paulit-ulit yung mga pinapalabas nila? there are so many great anime series/movies out there. buti pang GMA at ABS may mga BAGONG anime... yes, they may have some flaws (ok, lotsa flaws), but you guys can't deny that they are still on a "trial" stage now. so is it a craze? for others yes, me? not!
an ex-blockmate of mine who loved anime a few years back said recently that he doesn't watch anime anymore dahil "mature" na siya... oh well, opinyon niya yon.
for us true anime lovers, how can we expect it to live long kung katulad ninyo ang ex-blockmate ko?
how can you expect it to exist in the local stations if you're gonna desert locally-dubbed animes just because of a few bad apples?
how you gonna expect it to survive kung PARE-PAREHO lang ang mga ipinapalabas niyo?
only with our support can this wonderful genre in movie and tv survive...

you go girl!?! :lol: if we keep on criticizing our animé programing... baka tuluyan nang mawala ang animé sa Pinas... at pag nangyari yon... MABABALIW AKO!!! :crazy:

be grateful of the efforts GMA and ABS are doing in order for us to have animé viewing for free!?! i know some of you can afford to buy tons of VHS, VCDs and DVDs of various animés, pero... paano naman doon sa hindi!!! wag nyo kaming ipagdamot!!! :angry: :grrr: :mad:

You're so darn right VioletJersey!:bop: I like your attitude:girl:...I think we're gonna be bestbuds here in PEX...:lol:

And I definitely can't live without anime!!! Watching anime is the only thing that makes my day complete...:D

twisted_hate

Dec 8, 2000, 11:05 AM

NOW YOU GMA LOYALISTS ARE MAKING ME A LITTLE IMPATIENT! I AM NOT AGAINST FILIPINO DUBBED ANIME.
READ WELL BEFORE YOU THROW SH*T AT ME!

1. I HATE GMA FOR THEIR BRAND OF DUBBING, THEIR DISRESPECT OF THE GENRE, AND SELF-PROCLAIMING THEIR "WE STARTED IT" ATTITUDE! (I've written it before!)

2.I AM NOT-NOT-NOT-NOT-NOT AN AXN/ABS-CBN SUPPORTER! I DESPISE SOME OF THEIR WORK! I COULD HEAR THE SAME VOICES IN A SINGLE EPISODE FOR AXN! IT'S JUST GMA THAT I BELIEVE HAS DONE A REAL BAD JOB!(I've written it before!)

3.I LIKE MONTY REPUYAN! AND A FEW OTHERS, BUT THE MAJORITY SUCKS!

4.CHILDREN DON'T HAVE TO BE TAUGHT HENTAI! THEY DISCOVER IT! WHY DO I KNOW SO? I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST VICTIMS IN MY NAIVE YEARS! THE MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, THE LARGER THE POSSIBILTY THE KIDS WILL BE ANXIOUS TO GET TO IT.(I've written it before!)

5.NO I DON'T TRUST KIDS!

6.OPEN-MINDED AKO, I LIKED GMA FOR SHOWING VOLTES V. AFTER THAT, THE WHOLE RATINGS THING GOT INTO THEIR HEAD! THUS THE PA-RAFFLE THINGIE!

7. I BELIEVE IN LOCAL STATIONS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T RELY ON A FOREIGN SHOW TO BOOST THEIR RATINGS!(I've written it before!)

Listen, I'm not flaming because you loyalists including kamotejojo, mhai, yuiren, and violetjersey keep on giving arguments I've explained already somewhere in the other messages. I have an open mind. I watched monster rancher because it was my favorite game before the whole ANIME-MONEYHEY thing started (but I hated the story anyway.). Please present to me something new in defense of GMA and not this "you're selfish and anti-filipino" crap I've already explained.

It's Anime-from japan-and you're proud of the GMA way of DUBBING, need-a-high-rating-so-lets-get-more-anime-and-not-give-a-ratass-about-the-art ATTITUDE and the MONOPOLY?

You call yourselves filipinos?

SeAttLE_iLoCanO

Dec 8, 2000, 12:52 PM

does anyone like project A-ko

VioletJersey

Dec 8, 2000, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by twisted_hate

You call yourselves filipinos?

hey!?! ibang usapan na kapag nilait na ang iyong pagkatao!?! Pilipino ako at kahit kailan di ko to ikinahihiya!?! :angry: masama ba kung humanga ako sa isang bagay na hindi sa atin... para namang di ka rin nanonood nang animé no!? ok... GMA may not be the best station to handle animé... do you have a better idea as to who might do the honor of doing so!?! if you hate it that much... why don't you email the people of TeleSuccess and tell them to change their lineup!?! or better yet... go to the weareanime.com, voice out your opinion and tell them *** u think... i've done that b4... why can't you do it!?! kung nagawa mo na... maghintay ka na lang ng resulta... pls don't start pointing fingers and telling us that we're not filipinos ( i think i speak for the 4 of us...)! baka nga mas nationalistic pa kami kaysa sa yo!?! :rolleyes:

PS: seattle_ilocano... *** the hell are you doing here... hehehe... chat w/ u later!?!

twisted_hate

Dec 9, 2000, 07:05 AM

I am a Filipino and I will never respect a TV station that relies on foreign shows to be dubbed in the most Sucking way. Filipinos did that Animated movie with Ogie alcasid and I thought that was the First major Step in Filipino animation but no, GMA had to abuse Anime and now,no one's bothering to make the second step-just Dub,Suck,Dub,Suck,Dub,and Suck some more. You read Combatron in Funny komiks or Pugad baboy? These are the toons I've been so waiting to be shown on TV with full-color animation. But it's us filipinos who won't give a damn about our own art, and GMA demonstrates this.
READ THIS-I was not flaming mad because you fought back with your own words; I was mad because I have already explained some Arguments, and you never considered to look in the past Messages. "Ay-sumusoporta sa AXN!" "Ay anti-filipino ingenuity to!" "Ay Maramot kasi makakabili to ng anime!" "Ay Hambog!"
Let's cut the crap ladies, you wanna throw some at me? Read the 1st part of the thread! I have yet to explain more!

hrrrrrrrrr:devil::mad::grrr:hrrrrrr......

VioletJersey

Dec 9, 2000, 08:15 AM

here we go again...

VioletJersey

Dec 9, 2000, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
You read Combatron in Funny komiks or Pugad baboy? These are the toons I've been so waiting to be shown on TV with full-color animation. But it's us filipinos who won't give a damn about our own art, and GMA demonstrates this...

you knw, i happen to spend a great deal of my childhood reading Funny komiks and i do admit dat some of them our really good... and of course one of the best Filipino comics around are that of Pol Medina's Pugad Baboy, TonTon Young's Pupung and those from Culture Crash. who knows, maybe in the near future maging animated flicks sila... pero it might take time and a lot of work for it to be done... we are not like Japan na maraming animation studios na willing ipalabas sa TV ang mga comics nila... we have the animators but we don't have the funds and the appreciation for our own artists from such big companies like GMA and ABS...

but like i said, if you wanna voice your opinions abt this... go to GMA's website and tell them *** u think!?! don't blame on us if the whole corporate world is against your beliefs!?! tandaan mo na animé is considered a "business commodity" of GMA... and there's nothing we can do abt it... unless you plan to stage a protest rally w/ more than a thousand supporters for your cause :rolleyes: kahit pangit ang dubbing and corporately manipulated ang setup ng mga shows that they make... i still appreciate their efforts on bringing more animé shows to kids and adults like us (you are an adult, right!?!).

ok... di ako galit sa yo... pero sa inaasal mo at sa mga bintang mo sa amin... medyo nakakainis lang talaga... wag mong ibaling sa amin ang sama ng loob mo sa GMA... but i do admit that you've opened my mind regarding the whole "corporate discrepancy" on animé and Filipino comics. change will happen... pero not in a instant... :p

VioletJersey

Dec 9, 2000, 08:15 AM

i hope it all ends here... :)

kamotejojo

Dec 9, 2000, 11:03 AM

Let's clear (hopefully) a few things, okay?
Originally posted by twisted_hate
NOW YOU GMA LOYALISTS ARE MAKING ME A LITTLE IMPATIENT! I AM NOT AGAINST FILIPINO DUBBED ANIME.
READ WELL BEFORE YOU THROW SH*T AT ME!
ahem... gma loyalists? we're just giving them a chance to "strut their stuff." anong akala mo? lahat kami namamasukan sa gma?

Originally posted by twisted_hate 1. I HATE GMA FOR THEIR BRAND OF DUBBING, THEIR DISRESPECT OF THE GENRE, AND SELF-PROCLAIMING THEIR "WE STARTED IT" ATTITUDE! (I've written it before!)
as i said not all their dubbing is lousy. their disrespect? you mean binababoy? for me it's just too commercialized na. and you can't blame them dahil it's a craze nga! who ever said they cared about the "ART" of anime? lahat naman ng tv stations ganon... well they did start the "craze." and please don't confuse it for the birth of anime in our country again!

Originally posted by twisted_hate 2.I AM NOT-NOT-NOT-NOT-NOT AN AXN/ABS-CBN SUPPORTER! I DESPISE SOME OF THEIR WORK! I COULD HEAR THE SAME VOICES IN A SINGLE EPISODE FOR AXN! IT'S JUST GMA THAT I BELIEVE HAS DONE A REAL BAD JOB!(I've written it before!)
who ever said you were? good to hear you're observant. if you believe they've done a bad job, fine. like i said you can't blame them dahil ratings (aka money) lang ang habol nila!

Originally posted by twisted_hate 3.I LIKE MONTY REPUYAN! AND A FEW OTHERS, BUT THE MAJORITY SUCKS!
kasi nga, most people don't have anime running in their arteries and veins yet. for most people, it's just a craze. paano mag-iimprove ang quality ng FILIPINO-dubbed anime kung walang sumusuporta? the other dubbers are new to this business so you can't blame them if they suck. hindi naman sila ipinanganak na magaling...

Originally posted by twisted_hate 4.CHILDREN DON'T HAVE TO BE TAUGHT HENTAI! THEY DISCOVER IT! WHY DO I KNOW SO? I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST VICTIMS IN MY NAIVE YEARS! THE MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, THE LARGER THE POSSIBILTY THE KIDS WILL BE ANXIOUS TO GET TO IT.(I've written it before!)
the point is, when you educate the KIDS at an early age and they come to contact with it in their later years, hindi na sila, "AY! ANO YON? AY BASTOS! (WITH MATCHING GIGGLES PA!)"
yun nga eh, naive ka kaya naging biktima ka! anxious? you cannot generalize. not all kids are like that. why are you?

Originally posted by twisted_hate 6.OPEN-MINDED AKO, I LIKED GMA FOR SHOWING VOLTES V. AFTER THAT, THE WHOLE RATINGS THING GOT INTO THEIR HEAD! THUS THE PA-RAFFLE THINGIE!
who says you weren't? you wouldn't be here sa PEX in the first place, right? right? hay... do i need to repeat it all over again? IT'S THE FREAKING WORLD OF TV BUSINESS!!! pautot nila yon! may magagawa ka ba? for them they're not doing anything wrong! hey guys, kahit na siguro lahat tayo dito ay sumabog na sa kaka-argue, wala silang pakialam! and that's our mission, TO MAKE THEM CARE!

Originally posted by twisted_hate 7. I BELIEVE IN LOCAL STATIONS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T RELY ON A FOREIGN SHOW TO BOOST THEIR RATINGS!(I've written it before!)
hay... di naman sa colonial-minded ako pero the quality of MOST local shows is not that good. di naman lahat ng tao nadadala sa mga show na tatlong claudine, relocation ng bestfriends, at mga nagbabastusang noon-time tv show hosts! if i were the tv stations, they should produce more "competitive" shows that cater to ALL TYPES of people...

Originally posted by twisted_hate Listen, I'm not flaming because you loyalists including kamotejojo, mhai, yuiren, and violetjersey keep on giving arguments I've explained already somewhere in the other messages. I have an open mind. I watched monster rancher because it was my favorite game before the whole ANIME-MONEYHEY thing started (but I hated the story anyway.). Please present to me something new in defense of GMA and not this "you're selfish and anti-filipino" crap I've already explained.
hey... again you're JUDGING! loyalists? glad you watched it! you selfish? anti-filipino? who ever said you were? are we implying it? well, we won't do so kung ala namang dahilan, di ba?

Originally posted by twisted_hate It's Anime-from japan-and you're proud of the GMA way of DUBBING, need-a-high-rating-so-lets-get-more-anime-and-not-give-a-ratass-about-the-art ATTITUDE and the MONOPOLY?
You call yourselves filipinos?
all i can is :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
now that's PRETTY JUDGEMENTAL, don't you think? we are not saying that we're supporting it. all that we're trying to point out is that: give these companies a chance! give the larger population the opportunity to see the beauty of anime despite its many "local" flaws! give anime a chance to have a stabler existence in local stations!
i'm really annoyed by the way you question our loyalty to the country and its improvement. below the belt na yan. please don't make me doubt your open-mindedness and maturity, twisted_hate...

Yoshi

Dec 9, 2000, 02:22 PM

This thread isn't going anywhere. If you guys can't keep your petty fights to yourself, take them somewhere else. To e-mail perhaps. But not in this forum, please.

Look, people may have dissenting opinions on this topic. But let's at least keep the discussion to the issue at hand, and not resort to flaming other participants.

Frankly, I'm pissed. But as much as I'd like to keep the discussion intelligent enough, people can't seem to understand how to respect others.

This is my final warning. Though you may contest it, I will be locking this thread when I think that the discussion isn't going anywhere productive.

VioletJersey

Dec 9, 2000, 10:45 PM

you guys... Yoshi's right... this discussion will not end unless one of us gives way... this would probably my last statement regarding the whole "GMA loyalist thing"

I'm an animé lover... of any language. Ok, GMA's dubbing is not even close to those of ADV, Pioneer and Sony... but they need our support... we have to tell them that this is not a fad or craze that would eventually disappear come 2-3 years time... animé's been here for 20 or more years... and believe me, it's not going anywhere!
GMA is like any "businessman" in this world... profit is all that matters... but we change that if we inform them the impact animé has been for us and how we want that "impact" affect them as well... it is only through our voice would we be able to make them listen and take a moment...
Much that i don't like some of the dubbings... i'm still glad that we have animé on TV. unlike most countries who literally "beg" that animé be shown in their cable stations... we get new shows almost every 2 mos. gaya ng sabi ni kamotejojo... we are new at this... there is still room for improvement... bigyan natin sila ng pagkakataon na mapaganda ang filipino viewing of animé in the only way they know how...
Sana nga magkatotoo na ang mga local komiks natin ay maging full-length animation series... lalo na ang mga stories ng Culture Crash... ok so they look like Japanese manga pero very filipino ang story...

yun lang!!! sana matigil na ang away na to... and i really mean it this time!?! i do have to thank twisted_hate for the post... it's been awhile since i last argued over something like this... :lol: :lol: :lol:

~yuiren~

Dec 10, 2000, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
Hey,hey,hey Violetjersey...

Blah..Blah..Blah...Sumabog na yung butsi nitong si YUIREN
:mad::devil::grrr:

You just ate your words....

Yoshi: Puh-lleaasee...we're about to reach each others guts...It's still focused there--just being a bit sarcastic to come across............
Don't worry...that won't happen again.After all, twisted_hate has an open mind...And VioletJersey & kamotejojo is doing great in hindering the situation from getting out of hand...

GMA7's anime: the fall of Phillipine anime fandom
--->Hmmph! Tsk!Tsk!Tsk! GMA ought to see this!

And I'm not a capitalist....:grrr::silly:

VioletJersey

Dec 10, 2000, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by ~yuiren~
Originally posted by twisted_hate
Hey,hey,hey Violetjersey...

Blah..Blah..Blah...Sumabog na yung butsi nitong si YUIREN
:mad::devil::grrr:

You just ate your words....

Yoshi: Puh-lleaasee...we're about to reach each others guts...It's still focused there--just being a bit sarcastic to come across............
Don't worry...that won't happen again.After all, twisted_hate has an open mind...And VioletJersey & kamotejojo is doing great in hindering the situation from getting out of hand...

GMA7's anime: the fall of Phillipine anime fandom
--->Hmmph! Tsk!Tsk!Tsk! GMA ought to see this!

And I'm not a capitalist....:grrr::silly:

hey :girl: musta ka na!?! i missed hearing from you... well, tnx for the kind words... i did tried to mediate the situation... i guess bahala na sya kung ano na ang masasabi nya sa comments ko...

you know ***, sana may makapagsabi nyan sa GMA at TeleSuccess... siguradong mababaliw at magkakagulo ang mga yon!?! :lol:

To Yoshi, i would like to send you my deepest apologies... maybe i really did got carried away there :shy: i promise not to aggraviate you anymore... si twisted_hate na lang! :lol: just kidding! i'll try to be an :angel: from now on...

kamotejojo

Dec 10, 2000, 10:10 AM

Dear Yoshi,

Siguro ubos na buhok mo dahil sa amin at hindi kita masisi! :lol: Tama yung points mo. Walang insultuhan dapat. *nods three times* Eto nang last post ko for this thread coz I don't want to be the cause of this thread's shutdown. Hehe... not the right word I think...
Nyways, I want to make it clear that I tried to be as patient and as open-minded as possible. But if you guys think that I'm not, it isn't my problem anymore. In real life (at sa PEX din), I'm usually bubbly and frank. My *****iness does not surface unless provoked...
All my opinions about locally-dubbed animes still hold true. All I can say is give tv stations a chance to experiment, and hopefully, grow. Maybe someday they'll realize that anime is not a mere "craze." Or much better if they realize that since anime is art, they will produce local shows (animated or not) that can compete with foreign shows. The viewers deserve the best of both, no, ALL worlds. Then, you let them decide. But how can they even learn to choose and grow if all you give them is CRAP? That's all folks! :D

Respectfully yours,
kamotejojo :silly:

P.S. To all the cool and smart people who cared to post their opinions, it's been a pleasure reading them! To GMA, expect an email from me soon!

Yoshi

Dec 10, 2000, 04:16 PM

kamotejojo, ubos na talaga! :lol: But I think what Violet Jersey did was right; just post what you have to say, and then stop. If you feel that you need to argue a point made by another, then present your counterargument. Ganun na lang. Don't result to name calling and other tactics.

I'm pretty sure this thread can still give better points, so as much as possible let's not kill it.

Thanks for understanding.

twisted_hate

Dec 13, 2000, 09:01 AM

bwahahahahahahahhaha:devil::mad::grrr:
This thread is far from over!

Anyway, I have watched Digimon one friday night and of course, I have to criticize. The deal is, the dubbing sucks, However, I heard the voices and they were damn good for a handful of children. Now, If they used those voices and dubbed it in tagalog, then that would be kick-*** great!

Now as for the replies I've recieved within my three day absence, I won't bother to defend myself anymore-I will continue with my research and essays. If you guys didn't like this Thread entitled GMA7's anime:the fall of philippine anime fandom then It would have been best if you never replied or even browsed here in the first place.

twisted_hate

Dec 13, 2000, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Yoshi
kamotejojo, ubos na talaga! :lol: But I think what Violet Jersey did was right; just post what you have to say, and then stop. If you feel that you need to argue a point made by another, then present your counterargument. Ganun na lang. Don't result to name calling and other tactics.

I'm pretty sure this thread can still give better points, so as much as possible let's not kill it.

Thanks for understanding.

Please almighty moderator sir, I beg of you, Do not lock this up. I promise to post only essays in this Thread. We are all flaming at each other, I know that, because I started it all and I apologize in behalf of all who have participated in this thread. I am responsible and I am sorry. This thread is the most important Internet thing to me next to my website(If you don't mind I'd like to consider this thread as my own.). I'd rather have my membership here in PeX cancelled and be banned from registering again than have this thread closed.I beg of you, Kind Sir....

G-G-Go-Gomenasai...
:(

anne_f

Dec 13, 2000, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
bwahahahahahahahhaha:devil::mad::grrr:
This thread is far from over!

Anyway, I have watched Digimon one friday night and of course, I have to criticize. The deal is, the dubbing sucks, However, I heard the voices and they were damn good for a handful of children. Now, If they used those voices and dubbed it in tagalog, then that would be kick-*** great!

Now as for the replies I've recieved within my three day absence, I won't bother to defend myself anymore-I will continue with my research and essays. If you guys didn't like this Thread entitled GMA7's anime:the fall of philippine anime fandom then It would have been best if you never replied or even browsed here in the first place.

yeah.. the english dubbers of digimon suck..
they were just trying to compete with pokemon
coz it's dubbed in english too.. :cool:

twisted_hate

Dec 13, 2000, 09:44 AM

I've played RPGs(PS)before that has to do with raising a pet or warrior. Among these were Monster Rancher(Fav!), Dragon Seed,Digimon and even Pokemon. In playing Monster Rancher, I get a disc and generate my own monster which I can use for whatever purpose(hmmmm,Pixie).In Digimon, A monster is assigned to me and is usually treated like a partner. Dragon seed.....Nah,not worth it. As for Pokemon- you capture an animal, in the wild, stuff it in a ball for who-knows-how-long and use it to do battle with other INNOCENT CREATURES CONTROLLED BY HUMANS? Y'know, Mewtwo was right; Pokemon are superior than humans and have the right to take over.

Morbidly yours,
Twisted_hate

mhai

Dec 13, 2000, 11:43 PM

WHAT?!!! YOU'RE CLOSING THIS THREAD?!!!! NO WAY! THIS IS SO MUCH FUN! I'M NOT A WARFREAK OKAY!

As much as IT KILLS ME, I have to agree with twisted_mind, ooppssss, sorry, I mean twisted_hate that this is really FAR FROM OVER. I mean this website is about speaking your mind and beside it’s boring if people JUST AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING! :D

Yoshi, promise I’ll try to behave…… :angel:

I LOVE KENSHIN! So I don’t mind If AXN re-run Samurai X.

i love JAPANESE ANIME and if it means i have to stick with gma, i will!!!

twisted_hate

Dec 14, 2000, 06:35 AM

Inexperience of Dubbing- It has been complained that many are irratated by the voices rather than the content of what their saying.(e.g. Genki from Monster Rancher, whole cast of Slayers). Now, someone explained to me that some dubbers are not familiar with such shows so they simply force the wind out of their mouths. But isn't experience a requirement for a job? Should't they practice? No...they raking in the money anyway so who gives a crap?

Forced English- I assume that many of you are familiar with Yaiba,SOLAR's Wedding Peach,and RPN Dragonball Z. It would be okay to dub an anime in english but of course, fluency is an important factor. I hated RPN's Dragonball Z because I know a Filipino forcing English when I hear it. Now most of you might say that "naku nagmamataas na naman tong si twisted fries!".

anne_f

Dec 14, 2000, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
Inexperience of Dubbing- It has been complained that many are irratated by the voices rather than the content of what their saying.(e.g. Genki from Monster Rancher, whole cast of Slayers). Now, someone explained to me that some dubbers are not familiar with such shows so they simply force the wind out of their mouths. But isn't experience a requirement for a job? Should't they practice? No...they raking in the money anyway so who gives a crap?

Forced English- I assume that many of you are familiar with Yaiba,SOLAR's Wedding Peach,and RPN Dragonball Z. It would be okay to dub an anime in english but of course, fluency is an important factor. I hated RPN's Dragonball Z because I know a Filipino forcing English when I hear it. Now most of you might say that "naku nagmamataas na naman tong si twisted fries!".

No actually a lot of people think the same way you do. Some dubbers absolutely have aggravating voices. I.e. GMA's dubber for Miaka of Fushigi Yuugi has an extremely irritating high pitched voice that I hate. :angry: (Well I guess I don't like it) and if someone here said that AXN always uses the same dubbers-- well GMA does too u know. Have u ever wondered how many times they've used the high-pitched voice of the Miaka dubber or the voice of the Eugene dubber... as a matter of fact, they only have a few dubbers (whom they use all the time)... :(

About the dubbing on Solar TV- it reeks… :eek: They have more annoying voices and mispronunciations. If they're English was going to be that bad they should've dubbed it in Tagalog then, but that didn't work on GMA. :lol: Even if the dubbers on GMA dubbed the series in Tagalog-it still didn't sound right.. They can't even pronounce their own language's words right… it sounds a bit too displeasing and rough.. and the puns just seem so cheesy… :mad:

twisted_hate

Dec 15, 2000, 02:38 AM

(sorry, nabitin ako sa isa)

Anyway, If a dubber has a good voice and knows how his/her voice should go with the facial expression and type of Character, then by all means, Dub it in Filipino. GMA,ABS-CBN,SOLAR and RPN should do this.

Oh before I forget....

Bwahahahahahahahaha:devil::mad::grrr:

twisted_hate

Dec 17, 2000, 06:42 AM

How's this:
Yusuke Urashima is now Eugene, Vash THE Stampede is now Vash Stampede na taong buhawi, Yui is now Julie?

My essay for today is about The names that are changed.

Is it really necessary? They explain that they alter the character's names so that children can easily relate to the story. But isn't it right that the names should remind us that the show is of a certain country? It just feels wrong that people have extra respect for a character that's originally from a more deserving source. Go ahead, ask a kid who's Yakumo in 'Gospayter', I bet no one'll answer that he's Gunther in YU YU the SECOND movie.

GMA still sucks.

hmhmhmhmhmhmhmh:mad::devil::grrr:

anne_f

Dec 19, 2000, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
How's this:
Yusuke Urashima is now Eugene, Vash THE Stampede is now Vash Stampede na taong buhawi, Yui is now Julie?

My essay for today is about The names that are changed.

Is it really necessary? They explain that they alter the character's names so that children can easily relate to the story. But isn't it right that the names should remind us that the show is of a certain country? It just feels wrong that people have extra respect for a character that's originally from a more deserving source. Go ahead, ask a kid who's Yakumo in 'Gospayter', I bet no one'll answer that he's Gunther in YU YU the SECOND movie.

GMA still sucks.

hmhmhmhmhmhmhmh:mad::devil::grrr:

whoever said they didn't suck? well i guess a lot of
people really like GMA coz most of them are just cheap
people.. just look at the translations.. "the book of the
four gods" became "libro ng langit at lupa" in fushigi
yuugi.. and its not supposed to be "the mysterious game"
it's supposed to be the "mysterious play".. u can't
change play into game because yuugi means a theatrical
play.. its far from being a game.. and the names
of tamahome's sibblings? since when did he have a
sister named sissi? GMA just makes me so mad! :grrr:

mhai

Dec 20, 2000, 04:52 AM

here we go again....

1. people who sided GMA are not cheap!
2. i'm very well aware of GMA's flaws, okay
3. but what i'm saying is it doesn't matter TO ME!
they can change all the names, use the same dubbers over and over again, i don't give a damn!

why?
coz it still makes me laugh, it still makes me cry, it makes me FEEL... isn't that what anime is all about?

hang GMA for all i care but spare MY JAPANESE ANIME

mitch69

Dec 20, 2000, 09:05 AM

i think what she said was most of the people are cheap--
not all of them.. bakit natamaan ka ba? :evilgrin:
you really can't deny the fact that some of them
really ARE cheap..

so okay fine, so u know GMA's flaws and you still like
it out of desperation to watch anime.. that's okay with us..
like you just did-- we were just expressing our views on
GMA.. and you DID say that if everybody agreed with
everyone else it wouldn't be okay.. so we also know
GMA's flaws, we're also anime fans, and what we're saying
is, it matters to us! they can change all the names, use the same dubbers over and over again, and we give a damn!
that's why we're posting here in the first place..

and it doesn't mean that if you're an
anime fan you're going to like all those channels who
show them.. it's like out of desperation to watch
anime, you go and watch what its showing and like it
even though it has the cheap thing lingering on it..
and honestly it doesn't make me laugh (well i laugh at the
flaws), it doesn't make me cry, and it doesn't make me feel
anything good.. just bad.. and in my opinion.. i
find this laughing, crying and feeling good things
on GMA's anime-- corny.. isn't that what anime's all about?
yes! if it were the real thing.. what GMA has is the anime
remade to be another thing.. we can spare your japanese anime, but not GMA's japanese anime.. it's more like
japanese anime remade into GMA's japanese anime kuno..
that's it i guess.. no hard feelings.. nobody's obligated
to agree with anybody here anyway..

mitch69

Dec 20, 2000, 09:12 AM

by your saying of the here we go again thing and the
enumeration of some stuff.. it doesn't mean everybody's
going to change their views just because you posted
that again.. we've seen that before, now you're
letting us see it again.. for god's sake it's not going
to change us.. so if ever anyone opposes your view again,
r u going to enumerate those things again? what's been said is done okay?

coffeemug

Dec 20, 2000, 10:19 AM

i think all of u can agree that ur all pretty much passionate about anime, then if that's the case, i'd urge u to share ur views and comments to the people who can really make a difference sa quality of the anime's u watch... u can post ur ideas sa http://www.weareanime.com i hope that helps:)...

Ornshwaggle

Dec 20, 2000, 01:30 PM

I need a buyer of a whole set of OAV2 of Fushigi yuugi, 250 each vcd, 4 vcds for the whole oav2. In Manila only huh... :) sige!!!

Jacob

Dec 20, 2000, 02:24 PM

for me, the anime craze is the best thing that ever happened. Because I can now watch those "artforms" for free.

gIrL00

Dec 21, 2000, 03:00 AM

I'm not convincing anne_f or any of you to change opinions but it's just not fair to give those who watch GMA's anime the title:CHEAP!?!

Respect is one thing...Being tactful is another...

Dubbers do an important role in anime of all channels...Not all people are perfect..They have flaws too you know...

Anime may be corny or lousy for some of you...but the fact that you laugh at it or cry just reveals that you also enjoy it...And pleeeeaaaaaase admit it!

And as for the others who stand up to speak up to defend what they believed in...you made the right choice...Unlike some who just go with the flow...You have a mind of yours...Don't let your brain be crampled by another.

IceAngel

Dec 21, 2000, 03:46 AM

Wow, I never thought I would post in this thread, but here goes.

At first I was pleased with GMA's attempts in introducing anime to the Philippines - take note that I am not saying that it was never introduced in the first place, I am just saying that GMA had a part in it too - since 1) They showed anime that are popular and 2) They showed it in our native language, which therefore encompasses an audience not made up of only those who can understand English.

But then they started laying it on thick and showing anime not as a genre and a method of entertainment, etc. but as a way to generate higher ratings and as a method of competition against other channels. Although I respect the fact that GMA has anime and their way of reaching the audience is respectful not just to the anime lover but for those who are new in anime as well, I am annoyed by the way they use anime as a way to increase their ratings.

Before GMA popularized anime -take note that I am not saying that it was never popular here before -, only those who have money and have the patience to hunt for anime in places like Greenhills have the chance to appreciate anime in its purest and most real form -I am not saying that translated nor dubbed anime is not real, I am just saying that we are treated not just to great art when we watch the anime with subtitles, we are also treated to a crash course of a portion of a culture entirely different from ours, which is Japanese -. But since GMA started their "anime revolution", everyone are given the chance to watch anime and appreciate it. This is probably the biggest contribution GMA has done to anime. They are great in marketing and they were able to popularize the culture even more.

But I agree with what twisted_hate said. I have no respect for a company that utilizes other means just to compete and increase their ratings, and call themselves one of the best channels in the country when a huge percent of what they show in their channel is hardly a representation of our country at all. If they think "Filipinizing" anime by giving them Filipino names and dubbing it in the local language will help represent our country and show how nationalistic they are, I disagree entirely because it is a bastardation of what anime really is: a genre that is a representation of Japanese culture.

I still, however, still have to give props to GMA for their dubbing. Although they use the same voice actors for the anime they show, I stand by my belief that these voice actors have the talent. Did you guys listen to the voice acting of the dubbers of Gundam Wing? Amazing. They were able to keep the morose and serious atmosphere of the anime. Now these are dubbers who understand the characters they are dubbing very well. ABS-CBN could learn a thing or two from their voice actors.

mitch69

Dec 21, 2000, 07:22 AM

"Cheap??? Nobody has the right to say that!!!"
first of all, may i ask you this? do you know all the
people who watch GMA's anime? if you do and u can prove that
none of them really are cheap then good for you.. (but i know you can't, because u have totally no idea of what ur saying)u don't know all the people who watch GMA's anime
so u really won't know if some of them really ARE cheap..
and we didn't say that ALL the people who watched were
cheap.. we said SOME... do you know the difference between
the two?

second of all, people are entitled to their own
opinions so u don't have the right to say that I don't have
a right to give my opinion here.. in the first place
this is a free message board for people with open minds
who can accept others' opinions even though they don't agree
with it..

"Respect is one thing...Being tactful is another..."
we already know that geez.. its not like we don't
go to school..

"Dubbers do an important role in anime of all channels...Not all people are perfect..They have flaws too you know... "
we know that too.. that's why we were enumerating their flaws.. but with their flaws-- its too much to take..

"Anime may be corny or lousy for some of you...but the fact that you laugh at it or cry just reveals that you also enjoy it...And pleeeeaaaaaase admit it!"
we're not saying that anime IS lousy, we're saying
that what GMA IS doing IS lousy.. and its really really
lousy..

"And as for the others who stand up to speak up to defend what they believed in...you made the right choice...Unlike some who just go with the flow...You have a mind of yours...Don't let your brain be crampled by another. "

well i'm standing up to speak up to defend what i believe
in, don't think i'm not doing that.. everybody's doing
that.. some who go with the flow? well maybe, just maybe they have the same opinion.. we have a mind of our own and
we don't need u or any other person to tell us that..
we have our own brain so we decide what we say so u can't
just say that..

"Although they use the same voice actors for the anime they show, I stand by my belief that these voice actors have the talent. Did you guys listen to the voice acting of the dubbers of Gundam Wing? Amazing. They were able to keep the morose and serious atmosphere of the anime. Now these are dubbers who understand the characters they are dubbing very well. ABS-CBN could learn a thing or two from their voice actors."

well have u watched the original? what GMA did with GW is as
bad as they did with the others.. it was
like they can't act, can't pronounce words (bisaya),
and they couldn't understand the real thing.. maybe
for SOME people, they liked it, but compared to the original, i still think GMA's GW was far from being amazing..

dagobert

Dec 21, 2000, 07:47 AM

long live samurai x and rayearth!!

gIrL00

Dec 21, 2000, 11:41 PM

mitch69,

In the first sentence, I specifically said that I'm not trying to convince anyone...so why did you react that much?

And for all that you said--Thank you!

I understand what you meant so can you just give this teeny weeny favor to me...do the same?

If you're here to rattle some nerves...I'm sorry but I'm not here to do just that...

I just dropped by to give my opinion for some fairness to those who are unconsciously abused by being called cheap.
If a person has passion for something, you don't call it that way...it's not their fault to be ignorant on such facts that some fortunate people happen to be aware of like what channel made the exact translations or who are the best dubbers...

As a wise person that I believe you are...I just hope you'd get the message I'm implying...

Happy Holidayz!:angel:PEACE?

twisted_hate

Dec 22, 2000, 01:08 AM

:~(Guys, I thank you all for participating in this thread in my absence, please keep our crusade against capitalism firm.

Ahm,ahm-
People did you know that Trigun is only 20+ episodes long? This obviously means that the Trigun Series was not meant for TV viewing but to be sold as OVA's. GMA says that they have legal stuff by their sides but do they realize that the anime industry falls because of them?(I'm talking money here.)
Look, it's probably bad enough that they suck like a thirsty ***** in the middle of a cold evening but to give away episodes that is meant for profit to MILLIONS OF IGNORANT MASSES (I said millions, not all) is and outrage! The anime Business would run dry! But...syempre, Capitalist.

Guys, I hope you'll keep this thread alive during my absence.

hehehehehhehehehehehehe:devil::mad::grrr:

twisted_hate

Dec 22, 2000, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by coffeemug
i think all of u can agree that ur all pretty much passionate about anime, then if that's the case, i'd urge u to share ur views and comments to the people who can really make a difference sa quality of the anime's u watch... u can post ur ideas sa http://www.weareanime.com i hope that helps:)...

Tried that a thousand times in different names. They don't really give a F*ck.

bah:devil::grrr::mad:

twisted_hate

Dec 22, 2000, 02:04 AM

La lang, just trying this function out.

IceAngel

Dec 22, 2000, 03:41 AM

well have u watched the original? what GMA did with GW is as bad as they did with the others.. it was
like they can't act, can't pronounce words (bisaya),
and they couldn't understand the real thing.. maybe
for SOME people, they liked it, but compared to the original, i still think GMA's GW was far from being amazing..

Yes, I have watched the original. In fact, I have watched the original before I watched GMA's dubbed version.

They can't act? As much as I respect your opinion....I have to disagree. The voice actor who did Heero's voice was true to the character of Heero. It is true that the voice actor's voice is hardly close to the quality of Midorikawa Hikaru's voice, but the point here is did he deliver Heero's character? I think he did. Heero is someone who is emotionless and cold. Did you watch that episode in where Heero will deliver a speech about war? The voice actor delivered it so well without being boring. The point here is being true to the character through your voice, and I think the voice actors did a pretty good job.

I also disagree with what you said about GMA's voice actors being unable to pronounce the words well because they were "bisaya". I agree, they are "bisaya" but even though it elicited a few amused cracks from me when I first heard Lucrezia Noin's character pronounce "Oz" as "Owz", I still cannot deny that they know the character, they know when to raise their voices when they should, and they know how to act and deliver specific lines of each character.

Of course, I will take the original from the dubbed version anytime of the day. I like Koyasu Takehito voicing Zechs better anyway. :)

mitch69

Dec 22, 2000, 07:43 AM

"In the first sentence, I specifically said that I'm not trying to convince anyone...so why did you react that much?"
oh that was nothing, u weren't convincing anybody anyway, but i reacted so u would understand the difference between saying ALL of them from SOME of them.. it wasn't a matter of convincing anybody.. it was more of a help :lol:
and i just felt like saying my piece.. :angel:

"And for all that you said--Thank you!"
you're welcome! :cool:

"I understand what you meant so can you just give this teeny weeny favor to me...do the same?"
well thats exactly what i'm doing now, u can thank me later, preferably through money order :D

"If you're here to rattle some nerves...I'm sorry but I'm not here to do just that... "
i'm not here to do that-- r u? well since u brought the subject up, is anybody trying to do that?

"I just dropped by to give my opinion for some fairness to those who are unconsciously abused by being called cheap. If a person has passion for something, you don't call it that way...it's not their fault to be ignorant on such facts that some fortunate people happen to be aware of like what channel made the exact translations or who are the best dubbers..."

well as u said, nobody's going to convince anybody so don't get so affected.. and like i said before, it wasn't like ALL the people are cheap, SOME of them are and u can't deny that because u don't know all of them.. and they're not cheap because of what they watch or who the dubbers of some show are but its because of them-- what they really are.. believe me i know some of them.. so i guess it would be best not to comment about what i said if u don't get it that much.. i'm not saying ur cheap-- i don't even know you, but i know some people really are... point taken?

"As a wise person that I believe you are...I just hope you'd get the message I'm implying..."
i know i'm wise but thanks! yeah and i can see it.. i can read u know :D

and to the GW thing.. so heero's voice was okay.. but what about the others? heero isn't the only one we can see there.. u really can't say that all the voices were good, some people really can't act, some soldiers, reporters and some other people, really-- u shouldn't just concentrate on the main people.. and i've watched the original series, and oav and movie..

well yeah they can shout all they can but it still doesn't make the voices sound amazing with the bisaya thing..
it ruins the serenity and the mood..

and yeah i like gundam wing.. and here's another comment on some people, they only watch gundam wing because they find the people cute, not because they understand or like the story.. but anyway its their choice :angel:

IceAngel

Dec 22, 2000, 12:31 PM

and to the GW thing.. so heero's voice was okay.. but what about the others? heero isn't the only one we can see there.. u really can't say that all the voices were good, some people really can't act, some soldiers, reporters and some other people, really-- u shouldn't just concentrate on the main people.. and i've watched the original series, and oav and movie..

Don't get me wrong. I only used Heero as an example, but he is not the only reason why I watch Gundam Wing, and his voice acting is definitely not the only reason why I think their voice acting is great. Of course, you never said that I said that, but just in case someone will, or plan to accuse me with that, I will clarify this right here, right now.

I believe that they are good voice actors. Compare the voice acting of Kenshin in ABS-CBN and basically ALL the voice acting of ABS-CBN, I think those in GMA did their homework. If I have to mention ALL the voice actors in Gundam Wing, then this will end up really long, so I'll go ahead and use Heero again. If you listen to Kenshin's voice in ABS-CBN, his voice is very clearly "bisaya", and if you must say it, "bad-sounding". But that wasn't what made it bad. In fact, you can overlook the "bisaya" overtones of his voice, but what probably ruined everything was the script itself. It just didn't suit the audience nor the anime, and it didn't suit the mouth movements of the characters, so the voice actor would have to hurry up their pronounciation of each word, thus making their voice sound terrible.

Now in GMA, well, what I mentioned above happens all the time too, but I dunno, I guess its just a matter of taste. As much as some people think that the dubbing of Gundam Wing just sucks, I still disagree and I'm willing to go off to long speeches just to defend them. For me, they did their job well, and they deserved to at least have a pat on the back for it.

About the soldiers having bad dubbers, I guess its because they didn't slave much for the voice acting of these characters since they don't appear that much anyway. Take note that I am not saying that that kind of sluggish treatment to these characters are right, nor is it wrong, I'm just offering an explanation to why the voice acting of these characters were sluggish.

And a negative comment I'd like to point out to Gundam Wing voice acting: I disliked their treatment of Quatre. Its true that Quatre had a female seiyuu in the original version, but to give him Lucrezia Noin's voice actress in the Tagalog dub was just too unfair. I think they overdid the dubbing on making Quatre seem too....girlish and whiny.

and yeah i like gundam wing.. and here's another comment on some people, they only watch gundam wing because they find the people cute, not because they understand or like the story.. but anyway its their choice

I agree with you there big time, but I don't think we can deny that the characters are good looking, right? ^_^

IceAngel

Dec 22, 2000, 12:46 PM

I just want to say that when it comes to deciding if a dub is good, we can't compare it to the original version, simply because there are no points of comparison. To pull down a dub because it is "bisaya" is an insult to those who are "bisaya". Just my two cents, I am not attacking anyone here, but it just annoys me that someone will say a dub is bad because a person cannot pronounce the words right. What is the correct pronunciation of the word they mispronounced anyway? Clarify that first and maybe then you can prove your point. Take note, I am not attacking anyone here, just encouraging more proof and evidence to what you have to say.

And I just want to say that the topic of this debate kinda doesn't have anything to do with GMA being so full of themselves to use anime as a way of marketing, which is what the person who posted this topic seems to be tackling. I think GMA is the fall of "anime-exclusivity", in where only those who can afford and have the patience to look everywhere for anime that aren't currently shown in this country have the chance to appreciate anime. Anime is for everyone, like movies and television shows. Its about time those who can't afford to do all the "otakus" do to watch anime can watch anime with just a flick of a tv. Who cares if what they do is terrible, if you really love the genre and want to watch it with all you can, then watch the anime in GMA, then hunt for the original version. That is, if you still want to. A fandom is defined as a collection of fans, and anime has generated more fans because of what GMA did, by introducing it to the masses. Yes GMA can be full of themselves sometimes, but I think they have done their part in generating more fans to anime, even though that doesn't seem to be their ulterior motive. Anime fandom didn't fall because of GMA, it more of increased.

Don't shoot me down now. :) Just giving my two cents on the topic.

mitch69

Dec 22, 2000, 11:55 PM

"About the soldiers having bad dubbers, I guess its because they didn't slave much for the voice acting of these characters since they don't appear that much anyway. Take note that I am not saying that that kind of sluggish treatment to these characters are right, nor is it wrong, I'm just offering an explanation to why the voice acting of these characters were sluggish."
well not only the less seen characters were given lousy dubbers.. i just used them for an example ;) if i were to enumerate them all-- then it would really take a long time.. but here's another one, lady une, sally and noin, they're main people right? well sometimes they just can't act.. it's true.. flat monotone voice when saying something that requires real emotion.. and sometimes its like they're just reciting the whole thing.. i've seen it a lot of times on reruns.. and i trust that i know what i'm saying :bop:

"If you listen to Kenshin's voice in ABS-CBN, his voice is very clearly "bisaya", and if you must say it, "bad-sounding". But that wasn't what made it bad. In fact, you can overlook the "bisaya" overtones of his voice, but what probably ruined everything was the script itself. It just didn't suit the audience nor the anime, and it didn't suit the mouth movements of the characters, so the voice actor would have to hurry up their pronounciation of each word, thus making their voice sound terrible."
that's also the case with GMA, even GMA's script is screwy, and they also hurry up sometimes.. :shy:

"Now in GMA, well, what I mentioned above happens all the time too, but I dunno, I guess its just a matter of taste. As much as some people think that the dubbing of Gundam Wing just sucks, I still disagree and I'm willing to go off to long speeches just to defend them. For me, they did their job well, and they deserved to at least have a pat on the back for it."
well yeah good for you, that's why we're here anyway.. to state our own opinions.. though mine may differ from yours its still okay right? :angel:

"And a negative comment I'd like to point out to Gundam Wing voice acting: I disliked their treatment of Quatre. Its true that Quatre had a female seiyuu in the original version, but to give him Lucrezia Noin's voice actress in the Tagalog dub
was just too unfair. I think they overdid the dubbing on making Quatre seem too....girlish and whiny."
well it's just a little bit girly but all the same it was like the orginal anyway..

mitch69

Dec 23, 2000, 12:25 AM

"I just want to say that when it comes to deciding if a dub is good, we can't compare it to the original version, simply because there are no points of comparison."
but as respect to the original one, shouldn't we make it as good? or is it okay for u if u work hard on something and somebody uses it and doesn't give the same effort of making it nice? really u should know that basing something from the original is right.. why shouldn't we base it on the original? is it ours? are we the ones who make the desicions on what we want it to be? its not our series so we should just respect the original.. the original had a high quality voicing, but now-- we borrow it and then we make it into some ratty thing compared to the other.. and besides, we really shouldn't be comparing it like its two different things, its not like we made our own GW.. we just borrowed it therefore we should give it justice by keeping it the high quality voiced thing...

"To pull down a dub because it is "bisaya" is an insult to those who are "bisaya". Just my two cents, I am not attacking anyone here, but it just annoys me that someone will say a dub is bad because a person cannot pronounce the words right. What is the correct pronunciation of the word they mispronounced anyway? Clarify that first and maybe then you can prove your point. Take note, I am not attacking anyone here, just encouraging more proof and evidence to what you have to say."
umm its not like we're insulting the dubbers, there's nothing wrong with the bisaya people, what affects the audience is that the dubbing was bad because the used voices were bisaya.. and the reason why its bad because not all the people are bisaya and not all are used to it... some find it so irritating.. and i think the show is for everyone to watch-- not just for the bisayasand bisaya-lovers , so i guess what i'm trying to say is that what they should use are the typical people.. the one everyone's used to.. fine if some people really love bisaya dubbing, u can have ur own bisaya dubbed channel..

"And I just want to say that the topic of this debate kinda doesn't have anything to do with GMA being so full of themselves to use anime as a way of marketing, which is what the person who posted this topic seems to be tackling. I think GMA is the fall of "anime-exclusivity", in where only those who can afford and have the patience to look everywhere for anime that aren't currently shown in this country have the chance to appreciate anime. Anime is for everyone, like movies and television shows. Its about time those who can't afford to do all the "otakus" do to watch anime can watch anime with just a flick of a tv. Who cares if what they do is terrible, if you really love the genre and want to watch it with all you can, then watch the anime in GMA, then hunt for the original version."
who cares? those who know and respect the series.. its like an insult to the original with what GMA is doing..

"That is, if you still want to. A fandom is defined as a collection of fans, and anime has generated more fans because of what GMA did, by introducing it to the masses. Yes GMA can be full of themselves sometimes, but I think they have done their part in generating more fans to anime, even though that doesn't seem to be their ulterior motive. Anime fandom didn't fall because of GMA, it more of increased."
yeah, the skwater people were added.. and it really increased because of that... imagine how many of them are here watching GMA.. (i'm not trying to offend somebody here)

and what we're still trying to say is that GMA didn't do things completely right.. so what if they generated a lot of anime fans? they still didn't produce the high quality thing.. so in a way, they're cheating the "new fans" of the knowledge about what it really should be like-- making some "new fans" ignorant..

shazlene

Dec 23, 2000, 12:45 AM

--Now in GMA, well, what I mentioned above happens all the time too, but I dunno, I guess its just a matter of taste. As much as some people think that the dubbing of Gundam Wing just sucks, I still disagree and I'm willing to go off to long speeches just to defend them. For me, they did their job well, and they deserved to at least have a pat on the back for it.

its also about being biased.. and of course when it comes to taste, i know the cheap people or "skwaters" as people call them, will be content even with lousy presentations of good shows.. i'm not intentionally attacking someone here either.. its just my honest opinion on this free message board.. i'm just making it clear.. ;)

--I think GMA is the fall of "anime-exclusivity", in where only those who can afford and have the patience to look everywhere for anime that aren't currently shown in this country have the chance to appreciate anime.

yeah, the cheap and skwater people were given the chance..

--Anime is for everyone, like movies and television shows. Its about time those who can't afford to do all the "otakus" do to watch anime can watch anime with just a flick of a tv.

its for everyone who can respect it the way it should be..

--Who cares if what they do is terrible,

if that's the way everybody thinks, then maybe they aren't true fans..

--if you really love the genre and want to watch it with all you can, then watch the anime in GMA, then hunt for the original version. That is, if you still want to. A fandom is defined as a collection of fans, and anime has generated more fans because of what GMA did, by introducing it to the masses. Yes GMA can be full of themselves sometimes, but I think they have done their part in generating more fans to anime, even though that doesn't seem to be their ulterior motive. Anime fandom didn't fall because of GMA, it more of increased.

and with the addition of cheap and "skwater" people, i guess its the ultimate downfall of anime fandom...

P.S.
its my opinion about stuff..
sorry if its a bit offensive :angel:

gIrL00

Dec 23, 2000, 04:21 AM

:lol::D:lol:

Pandaemonaeon

Dec 25, 2000, 10:35 AM

Oh boy, why is everyone making a big deal out of a small television program which doesn't play a vital role in their lives? School X students jaw jacking with School Y students over which School Basketball team is better (ie. UAAP Forum), Girl slaps man for mocking Christina Aguilera....same thing with what's happening here: Three pages full of anime fans getting worked up over "voice actors" on why they suck and why they don't suck.

You know what, I'm sure everyone are going to laugh at me for saying this or even mumble "oh sure, the universal scapegoat tactic" but as absurd as it sounds: IT IS THEIR OPINION. There is no such thing as a wrong opinion, it's always right because it is each person's view on a specific topic or subject matter. The only thing you can do is either take it or leave it. No amount of propaganda or verbal temper tantrums is ever going to change a person's opinion.

I can accept opinions that sound intelligent....even the pathetic, prejudicial ones (ie. voice actors sounding "bisaya"). I don't tend to attach my ego in a particular brand name or product that doesn't give my life meaning or purpose whatsoever. I'm a viewer whom the arrogant television stations depend on to boost their ratings, not a ***** they pay and nourish to protect their investments.

And just on a side note, not all of GMA's voice actors suck. Have you watched Dragon Ball Z lately? The rest of the voice actors are not exactly top notch, but Vegeta's voice actor is without a doubt, the best voice actor I have ever heard in my entire life. Goddamn, gotta' love that "devil may care" attitude, the voice fits him perfectly. The rest of the dubbers, well....no comment.

Oh by the way, about Mitch69 saying that the reason why so many people are ga-ga over Gundam Wing is because of the cute anime characters....no sh*t, I agree with you on this one. You can lug in Rurounin Kenshin, Fushigi Yugi and the rest of the "New Wave" anime along with that too. Ten years ago no one gave a damn about true works of art like Dragon Ball Z and other kinds of anime.....NOW everyone's into anime simply because they look at them as sex symbols. I'm not saying ALL people look at anime that way, maybe 80-85%. They can justify themselves by all means possible but I really don't give a damn.

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People = Sheep™

IceAngel

Dec 25, 2000, 12:06 PM

Mitch69, you said that anime is for everyone to watch, and not just the bisayan people. But let's not forget that they are part of the "everyone" who wants to watch anime also. I agree with you completely that they are insulting the original. I just fume when GMA calls Yusuke "Eugune" instead of his original Japanese name. Like what I've mentioned before, its completely insulting to the Japanese culture anime is promoting.

I have watched anime before and I agree that I will always choose the original over the dubbed ones. I can afford the original ones anyway so I guess if I have a choice between them, then the hell, why not the original one? But let's not forget that some people cannot afford the original ones, so they have no choice but to go to GMA and watch their "poorly-dubbed bisayan" anime. I agree completely with that and I respect your opinion for not liking the bisayan anime and saying that its not what people are used to, but then you should have said that earlier on, instead of saying that bisayas mispronounce the words, therefore the dubbing is bad. I won't quote it anymore, its a waste of my time and energy.

You said that GMA didn't produce everything right. I never said that they did. BTW, what's so wrong with "skwater" people were added? And who are these "skwater" people anyway? Are they the poor who cannot afford to watch the anime that are sold for more than a hundred or so? Or are they those who have no knowledge whatsoever that the real name of Eugune is Yusuke? If so, what is so wrong with them? Are they not allowed to watch anime? I'm not saying that you said that they're not allowed to watch anime, but from what you're saying, you seem to not like these people so much.

Of course we should base the dubbing on the original. But we shouldn't compare it to the original, because the obvious answer is that the original is better. Its a very simple way of putting down the dubbed version. You have completely turned my words around and assumed that I do not respect the original, when by all means, I very much do. In fact, if I have a choice between dubbing and subtitling, I will very much choose subtitling, to retain the original feel. But GMA feels like Filipinizing anime and as much as I whine and complain here and call them "insults to the original" that I am so much fond of, I'm really not giving anime justice. As much as possible I'm focusing on the good points and I stand by my belief that GMA has done all they can, and if you disagree with me, feel free, but please quit it with the negativity. By saying that the new anime fan population GMA has gathered are skwater and cheap, you are marginalizing them. So what should they do not to be called "cheap" and "skwater"? Not watch anime and leave those who can easily afford it to watch it? Leave anime to its pedestal created by those elitistic otakus who absolutely adore the idea of inequality?

<quote>so in a way, they're cheating the "new fans" of the knowledge about what it really should be like-- making some "new fans" ignorant.. </quote>

I agree. This is an aspect of GMA I hate very much. They filipinize anime in such a way that it is an insult to the Japanese culture anime promotes. They change the names and turn it Filipino and because of that, the new fans GMA generates are cheated into knowing the complete story. There are so many times in where they change the story also. Have you watched that Fushigi Yuugi episode in where Miaka says that she will be late for her UP Entrance Exam??? Blech.

Overall, I don't think its our place to decide who deserves to watch anime or not. To start off, those who created anime created it for everyone to watch. But of course, they placed ratings like kodomo anime like Pokemon and Doraemon are for the kids, Shounen and Shoujo cannot be watched by kids but can be watched by teens, etc. But I don't think they based their audience on the idea of who deserves the right to watch it. Everyone has the right to watch it, period. It doesn't matter if you're "skwater", it doesn't matter if you're "cheap". I think we should separate the argument from the audience and center it to the reason this thread was made for in the first place: GMA and its lousy treatment of the genre anime.

BTW, who are we to say who are the true fans of anime anyway? Anime isn't a game and I refuse to believe that anime has been degraded so much that it has fans have developed their own "hierarchy".

Well I just planned a long rebuttal to SOK's last words, but then if he doesn't give a damn, I don't see why I should, either. :)

twisted_hate

Dec 25, 2000, 01:13 PM

uhm....

I was not able to browse thoroughly the entire thread due to the fact that my access might go off any minute, but nevertheless, I will say a few things regarding the recent replies.

I cannnot judge Gundam Wing Skwater version because as I have been taught, every Gundam Series (except G) has a complicated storyline because each story has to do with politics and government which.we all know, has no 'good' or 'bad' side. In conclusion, I am unsure if the content of Heero's words are true to the core.(and I kinda dislike mechs)

I will tell more of my views soon, until then, Keep this thread alive, my fellow Otaku.

hahahahahahahahahahaha:devil::mad::grrr:

oh, before I forget- I sense a rat in our midst, meaning I think one of the people in this thread is directly connected to GMA.

shiniduo

Dec 26, 2000, 02:40 PM

hoy mga peeps natatandaan nyo pa ba ako dati akong pioneer ng anime sa 7 kahit na puro jologs ang mga kasama ko lalong lalo na si relena at quatre isama nyo na rin ang dubbing

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mitch69

Dec 29, 2000, 04:25 AM

...You know what, I'm sure everyone are going to laugh at me for saying this or even mumble "oh sure, the universal scapegoat tactic" but as absurd as it sounds: IT IS THEIR OPINION. There is no such thing as a wrong opinion, it's
always right because it is each person's view on a specific topic or subject matter. The only thing you can do is either take it or leave it. No amount of propaganda or verbal temper tantrums is ever going to change a person's opinion.

Pandaemonaeon, u r soo right :bop:
so everything i said is my opinion so nobody should react so much..

...BTW, what's so wrong with "skwater" people were added? And who are these "skwater" people anyway?

u know what "skwater people" are.. u see them everywhere so i don't need to tell u who they are.. :goon:

...Are they the poor who cannot afford to watch the anime that are sold for more than a hundred or so? Or are they those who have no knowledge whatsoever that the real name of Eugune is Yusuke?

they're that and a whole lot more..

...If so, what is so wrong with them? Are they not allowed to watch anime? I'm not saying that you said that they're not allowed to watch anime, but from what you're saying, you seem to not like these people so much.

yeah i don't :bleh:, that was a good observation miss..

...So what should they do not to be called "cheap" and "skwater"? Not watch anime and leave those who can easily afford it to watch it? Leave anime to its pedestal created by those elitistic otakus who absolutely adore the idea of inequality?

i didn't say that they were cheap or "skwater people" because they watched anime.. hell if that was the case then everybody would be called that.. i said they were cheap not because of what they watched but who they really are.. even before they watched anime.. there are a lot of skwater people and cheap people.. they didn't become like that because they watched anime.. they're just like that.. cheap and skwater people is not a label for people who watch anime.. they are people.. real people.. i guess u reacted again without fully understanding me.. :(
u know skwaters, those who live by roads... or squat along private and public places..

...Have you watched that Fushigi Yuugi episode in where Miaka says that she will be late for her UP Entrance Exam??? Blech.

oh yeah... and there was this time when keiko (jenny) and yuusuke (eugene) were talking about going to enchanted kingdom.. :eek:

...Everyone has the right to watch it, period. It doesn't matter if you're "skwater", it doesn't matter if you're "cheap". I think we should separate the argument from the audience and center it to the reason this thread was made for in the first place: GMA and its lousy treatment of the genre anime.

okay yeah they can watch.. i'm not saying they can't.. i just mentioned those cheap and skwater people in my discussion as examples.. it wasn't such a big deal.. ;)

...hoy mga peeps natatandaan nyo pa ba ako dati akong pioneer ng anime sa 7 kahit na puro jologs ang mga kasama ko lalong lalo na si relena at quatre isama nyo na rin ang dubbing

huh?? :confused:

IceAngel

Dec 29, 2000, 02:46 PM

IMHO, all I can say right now is that if your opinion won't change after hearing different opinions then discussions won't progress or develop because nothing will change, therefore nothing will move.

Twisted_hate: I read the translation of Heero's speech from Gundamwing.org and the Tagalog version is a bit off-track and didn't translate the whole thing literally.

Pandaemonaeon

Dec 29, 2000, 03:16 PM

Having bad taste doesn't make you open minded.

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People = Sheep™

mitch69

Dec 30, 2000, 08:17 AM

well currently i haven't found any opinion good enough to support changes to mine.. it doesn't depend on how many opinions there are now, it's on how much it weighs on your thoughts.. :cool: (imho too)

"Having bad taste doesn't make you open minded."

yeah that is true Pandaemonaeon but i have to ask.. is that directed towards anybody in particular here? if not, then just ignore this :angel:

^J-Man^

Dec 30, 2000, 08:29 AM

No comment pero I advice na u watch the show Burn Up Excess ito si Maya http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/4077/maya-13.jpg

SoliduS_AlphA

Dec 30, 2000, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Jacob
I tend to agree that some Pinoy translations can be downright irritating, but I'm glad GMA and ABS-CBN has brought some kick-*** anime programs here in our shores. Now, I won't have to rely on bootleg and overpriced copies found in Greenhills.

What's wrong with spreading anime to the masses? Should only a few enjoy this moving art form? Is it in the category of an anime lover to spend dollars or pesos on overpriced copies? Yes, GMA (even ABS-CBN) may have lost something in the translation pero at least they exert effort to bring us these shows. Because of them, I can watch Bubblegum Crisis 2040, Trigun, Samurai X, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Gundam Wing, and Vision of Escaflowne without shelling my hard-earned money.

agreed.... kung alam niyo lang kung gaano kamahal ang mga materials na ginagamit sa mga anime shows para lang madala ito sa Pilipinas... sana ma-appreciate natin ang effort ng GMA na ginagawa nila para makarating ang mga fave natin na anime programs....

*ABA FREAKY*

mitch69

Dec 30, 2000, 11:55 AM

^J-Man^, is maya ur favorite character there?

shazlene

Dec 30, 2000, 12:08 PM

attack of the cheapipay people!!

hehehe biro lang, don't take this seriously.. ;)

IceAngel

Dec 31, 2000, 01:36 AM

Mitch69: The only opinion here that influenced mine is the one Twisted_hate pointed out: that GMA uses anime as a way to increase their ratings, therefore that doesn't really make them the best local channel for they can't even produce anything local to boost their ratings. ^_^

As for what SOK said about having bad taste doesn't make you open-minded....what was it I was about to say?? Err...never mind.

I just wish Twisted_hate would drop by and steer his/her baby of a discussion back on track. :)

Pandaemonaeon

Dec 31, 2000, 07:51 AM

My opinions regarding Anime will never change. That doesn't mean I'm close minded or stubborn, it just means that I will fight the good fight, for what I believe in. The problem with Anime is not the dubbers, it's the Anime itself. Ten years ago the best Anime shows out there have Akira Toriyama or Masamune Shirow attached to it. Now we have idiotic Anime shows that looks like the script was written by Kurt Loder and Carson Daly. Some of the worst anime (in my opinion) I have seen both on television and video tapes:

1. Burn Up Excess - Female cops with breast implants that looks like it was attached by a balloon salesman.
2. Fushigi Yugi - "Ken and Barbie" anime.
3. Gundam Wing - Characters that are easy targets for Yaoih fan fictions.
4. Samurai X - Same as Fushigi Yugi, but also appeals to males cause it has those long pointy swords and gratuitious violence.
5. Time Quest - "Toilet humor" anime.
6. Pokemon - It's funny that they even refer to this garbage as Anime. And GMA does a very good job of selling their soul to the devil by plugging in those cheap telethon/e-mail polls.
7. Flame Of Recca - Same as Time Quest, only that it's a cheap knock-off of Dragon Ball Z. C'mon, the tournament gimmick has been used countless of times already.

I'm sure that my comments are going to attract attention from Otaku's (ie. ********) bragging that they've been around the world searching for the long lost "Glowing Aoshi Key Chain" or the "Neon Genesis Evangelion Magical Lava Lamp" harassing me with posts about my ignorance and for insulting their favorite Anime. Like I said, I really don't give a damn.

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kaminari^

Dec 31, 2000, 08:13 AM

Right! Just watch AXN's anime... they're good and (in my opinion) better than GMA or any other channel. but im not a walking advertisement for AXN(bec. somtyms, just somtyms, they can be a pain). just trying to keep u guys sane ^-^

And about GMA's and all the channel's dubbing of anime, just try to understand their situation now. i mean, they don't have gold credit cards w/ unlimited credits, u'know. im not telling you to actually like GMA and other channels, just... never mind... happy anime new year evryone!!

Ornshwaggle

Dec 31, 2000, 08:33 PM

Fushigi yuugi is NOT a ken n barbie anime... It's more than u thought it is...No use convincing u...

Siguro nga, magappreciate na lang nga tayo ng ibinibigay sa atin ng mga animators, kasi mahirap din gumawa ng anime, pasalamat tayo merong nagtiyatiyagang gumawa non para maentertain tayo. Kung tayo puro complain sa mga pinapanood natin, might as well wag na tayo manood diba? PanDE...on whoever u are, ni-criticize mo na lahat ng anime eh... sana d ka nalang nanood... I think every anime has its good side n bad side pero discrediting it will not help u any way. Eh ano ngayon kung panget, pag nagustuhan ng tao la ka naman magagawa diba? Lam mo sa mga pinost mo, imbis na manonood ang mga tao, tatamarin na yan dahil kinriticize mo na lahat eh. *** kaya gumawa, me manonood ba? sus... Bibigyan kayo ng papanoorin, didiscredit niyo pa... wag na lang kayo manood.

UR RIGHT I REACTED... KASI PO... MAGANDA TALAGA ANG FUSHIGI YUUGI at *** iba pang anime kahit d ko pa napanood. DUH!?!?!

Pandaemonaeon

Dec 31, 2000, 11:59 PM

When will people learn that there's absolutely no point in telling people "to do this and see if you can do better"? It's obvious that I'm not an anime writer, I didn't even say I was one, I just criticized it.

As for Fushigi Yugi, IT IS a Ken and Barbie anime. Tell me the exact reasons why you watch the show - good art and goot storyline does not count, and I'll draw my conclusions from there.

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kaminari^

Jan 1, 2001, 07:12 AM

actually, pandaemonaeon,(sorry if i misspelled it ^-^) i kinda like those anime u mentioned. but i won't argue with u, coz, believe me, i got worse problems. maybe i (im not saying we) watch fushigi 'coz it makes me forget my problems even for just a second (i don't know if that's good or bad, but i don't care) okey so it's kinda corny, but still, it makes me feel better.

*just my opinion (hands raised up)

mitch69

Jan 2, 2001, 03:45 AM

IceAngel thats good..now ur smarter than u were, before u read these posts.. well i guess a lot of us are ;)

Pandaemonaeon ur right about otakus.. i guess some of them are really like that.. and Ornshwaggle its really Pandaemonaeon's opinion so u can't just make him change that by giving nasty reactions.. its more of defending what u believe in and flaming someone who just gave an opinion based from what he/she believes in.. its unfair :girl:

"PanDE...on whoever u are, ni-criticize mo na lahat ng anime eh.."

no he didn't.. its not like the anime shown in the philippines are all the anime ever made.. ;)

"I think every anime has its good side n bad side pero discrediting it will not help u any way."

critiques make lots of money doing the same thing.. :cool:

"Eh ano ngayon kung panget, pag nagustuhan ng tao la ka naman magagawa diba?"

yeah and if a person doesn't like it, u won't be able to do anything about it either..

"Lam mo sa mga pinost mo, imbis na manonood ang mga tao,
tatamarin na yan dahil kinriticize mo na lahat eh."

its up to the people if they want to be influenced or not.. its their choice if they want to watch and risk being disappointed or not watch and be frustrated..

"*** kaya gumawa, me manonood ba? sus... Bibigyan kayo ng papanoorin, didiscredit niyo pa... wag na lang kayo manood."

u know a little criticism isn't that bad.. every show should be open to criticism and so the people should be too..

"UR RIGHT I REACTED... KASI PO... MAGANDA TALAGA ANG FUSHIGI YUUGI at *** iba pang anime kahit d ko pa napanood. DUH!?!"

umm u know that statement is sort of biased.. not all anime are good.. u haven't watched them all so u shouldn't make hasty generalizations.. one thing good doesn't make all the others good.. and its a fact that some anime are flops and didn't do well in the market..

and of course, i can guess what really got ur nerves.. ur a madfan of fushigi yuugi aren't u, thats why u were so defensive of fushigi yuugi when Pandaemonaeon said it was a ken and barbie show.. well it is actually-- just a bit though :goon:

and besides getting mad won't do u any good... ur opinion just differs from one another..

kaminari^

Jan 2, 2001, 11:22 AM

mitch, you don't have to criticize evry sentence that Ornshwaggle wrote. he is entitled to his opinion too y'know.
but im not arguing with you, this world's a crazy place, i don't wanna add to the craziness and spend the 526, 600 minutes of 2001 arguing w/ u ppl. ^-^ PEACE!

mitch69

Jan 2, 2001, 11:27 AM

i replied to every sentence to make my point clear and i didn't criticize it, i just pointed out some stuff, u people always mistake analysis with criticism.. :shy:
and what i said wasn't meant to change his/her opinion, it was to correct the way he/she stated it.. people here just react without understanding :(
anyway that's life! ;)

shazlene

Jan 2, 2001, 11:34 AM

u don't wanna add to the craziness and spend the 526, 600 minutes of 2001 arguing w/ us ppl, hmm.. eh di wag ka na magpost at magreact sa mga sinabi namin! hehehe as usual joke lang.. just to lighten things up.. :cool:
o baka magalit na naman ha, joke to kaya no offense meant..
gets? hehehe

kaminari^

Jan 3, 2001, 07:43 AM

tis ok... no harm done, hope i didn't do any harm to ya either. sorry, if i misunderstood criticism from analysis.
just forget evrything i wrote.

Yana

Jan 3, 2001, 05:10 PM

*scratches her head*
Okay, i understand mitch... its oki dat u explained line by line what i've said... it's really just what i thought. And ur right i'm a madfan of fushigi. It's not my fault naman diba? I even opened a topic (few months ago that nobody replied until lately) about it and now i've seen that i was insulted with my first post (About why the main characters weren't married), i'm regretting that i've posted another topic about it (Who here likes FY). Anyways, I just wanted opinions and point of views of the anime that i've watched.
About the other animes that i haven't watched but criticized them as good, just wanted to open myself to watch other animes. Coz if u get this positive look towards a thing, u'll be interested to go for it. Anyways, sorry for posting such things and good luck to this thread.

VioletJersey

Jan 4, 2001, 09:45 AM

wow! it's been awhile since i lasted visited this post!?! ok ka pa ba dyan Yoshi!?! :lol:

neways, i can't believe that you're all arguing from wats the best/worst anime to who does a better dubbing job!?! grabe talaga!?!

my opinion? watz good abt anime is that it has something for everybody: whether it be action,kiddie, romance, suspense, comedy, yaoi or hentai... now, i'm not saying that all animes are good (i know some bad animes but i'm not telling *** they are) but please try not to offend some pipol hu do like those types of anime. believe me, magtatampo sa inyo si twisted_hate pag nasermunan kayo ni Yoshi dahil dyan... :shy:

hey mhai!?! good to hear from you again!?! ang dami nang pumalit sa amin ah!?! :lol: well, keep up the fight sister!!!

as for twisted_hate... I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY THAT AXN IS NOW SHOWING ENGLISH SUBS ON THEIR ANIME PROGRAMS!!! i like watching subs on VHS/VCD pero on TV? NAKAKAHILO SYA NO!?! i wish all viewers of AXN are fast readers dahil kung hindi... sasakit ang ulo nyo sa kakapanood!!! :silly:

PS: I'm not saying that i'm not an anime purist! i am actually... it's just so hard to watch it on TV dahil ang hirap magbasa ng subs lalo na pag mabilis ang palit at mabagal kang magbasa... hay naku, i guess i have to take up speed reading again!?! :rolleyes:

:p :p :p

mitch69

Jan 5, 2001, 02:43 AM

yana, aren't u supposed to be Ornshwaggle? anyway hehehe i guess u forgot to switch names.. but that's fine-- as long as we know who u are ;)

E£ë¢t®øñí¢ DEâd

Jan 5, 2001, 09:15 AM

ok, 1st of all i'd like to say that GMA has a right to dub any cartoon or anime all you otaku's call it in ENGLISH or TAGALOG and they can treat it anyway they want. they bought the rights, they have the reasources to put it on air and finally they have good marketing people promoting all thier shows. 2nd, who the hell are GMA's target audience anyway? it's not us people (jap. art freaks) that they are showing this stuff to, its the MASSES! the little kids, the teenagers and especially those who just plain wan't to watch it for FUN. if the americans never dubbed pokemon who the hell would watch it? if viz never dubbed any shows or movies we would never have any ranma! this is how i see it the more anime becames popular the more we became concious of every detail a anime is dubbed, marketed or sold. we hate other people entering our little piece of heaven. wel, dats all maybe if we just realize that GMA even with their constant srewups in dubbing and false marketing we can see that they brought a piece of our heaven to those who needs it. by the way i think yaiba, yuyu hakusho, zenki, sailormoon, brain powered even dragon ball (only the pure english and the now pure tagalog) wre done in taste!

shazlene

Jan 5, 2001, 02:07 PM

u know we've already been through that a lot of times already.. its getting really old real fast.. :|

mitch69

Jan 5, 2001, 02:15 PM

hmm i see a pattern here, somebody posts something, everybody reacts.. then its silent for awhile, then somebody posts the same message again and the reactions come again... its an endless cycle.. but again, as i always say-- that's life ;)

twisted_hate

Jan 10, 2001, 08:54 AM

IceAngel, I have come as you wished!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH:devil::mad::grrr:HAHAHAHAHAHA

Point number 1: AXN has done its next great step-english subtitles. If you don't know, Subtitling is the purest thing next to the original since it's taintment is only minimal. Why do I like Subtitles? It is not the most accurate translation of an anime but it is expected to be faulty, since each sentence is to be timed with the speaker's voice.However, The purpose of subtitles is to express the Highlights of a speaker's sentence, giving the raw meaning of what he wants to say without the cuss words unless desired(Except in Chinese movies-BAD). In short, You get only what he means to say, without any sugar coating. In dubbing- One must base things into one's country like for example-Pupunta raw si Yusuke sa Enchanted kingdom. SAAN SA JAPAN YUN? But still, AXN also did the subtitling themselves so.....
:mad:
Point number 2: When I say squatter, It has a whole new meaning. Bakit, When you say CONYO you think sosyal na mayabang di ba? But The word's literal meaning is a woman's organ(ask your friends why this word came about). If you are a Benildean, email me if you want to know the new meaning.
:devil:
Point number three: Pande, I know there are a lot of anime you dislike but I HATE it when someone sees only the bad in one thing, take me for example, I HATE GMA anime but I like the way they present news and Documentaries. I watch the Impeachment trial there(YEs, I do).
:grrr:
Point number 4: There is nothing I can do about the Capitalist pigs, I realize that. My goal here is to speak out why I so hate GMA. Oh, by the way, Someone called me an *******. I'm an otaku and proud of it. Probably, someone here thought that Otaku means hindi naliligo,ang nasa isip parati ay anime(this is based on what I've read on a anime club posting by a FIlipino).MALI! Otaku means FAN! Not necessarily ANIME fan but Fan! This proves the ignorance of filipinos! One of the factors of my definition of SQuatter is proliferated ignorance! Ganon kasi ang ginawa ng kano, alam nyo ba ang Dungeons & dragns? Kaya paniwalang iba may sa demonyo yung kasi yung yung geeks ng USA nagpatayan dahil absorbed na absorbed sila sa laro nila. at alam ko hindi ako ganon.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaay Nako.
IceAngel, I'm a guy nga pala.

VioletJersey

Jan 10, 2001, 10:00 AM

w/ regards to AXN's subs... i wish they could have gotten the originals... medyo nakakainis kasi yung ginawa nila... kung ano yung dialogue sa English dub, ginawa nilang sub! at saka, mali-mali pa ang spelling nila (Kenshin=Kenshee, Kaoru=Cori, Ifurita=Ipreeta, Shayla-Shayla=Shella-Shella)!

well, i guess it's a start... i hope more anime pls!!! nakakasawa na talaga yung iba!?! halos memorize ko na ang dialogues nung iba (esp. Dual & Samurai X)!!!

PS: kapitbahay pala kita, twisted_hate!!! :lol:

:p :p :p

twisted_hate

Jan 10, 2001, 10:50 AM

Baket? Taga saan ka?

Yes, your right- dapat nga yung real names yung ginamit 4 Subs kasi what they did was they put in how the name sounds.

hehehehehehee:grrr::mad::devil:

Kurama

Jan 10, 2001, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Pandaemonaeon
The problem with Anime is not the dubbers, it's the Anime itself. Ten years ago the best Anime shows out there have Akira Toriyama or Masamune Shirow attached to it. Now we have idiotic Anime shows that looks like the script was written by Kurt Loder and Carson Daly.

2. Fushigi Yugi - "Ken and Barbie" anime.
4. Samurai X - Same as Fushigi Yugi, but also appeals to males cause it has those long pointy swords and gratuitious violence.

much as i hate to admit it, ur right about that. anime nowadays have become "if u've seen it once, u've seen 'em all".

although, i disagree with ur assessment of rurouni kenshin, even if kenshin is the human equivalent of a gameshark. ^^ it's a darn good series, excepting those episode fillers that aren't included in the manga.

ten to one, manga usually outdo anime.

and fushigi yuugi started out fine, it just deteriorated as it plodded towards the end.

Pandaemonaeon

Jan 10, 2001, 02:53 PM

As a matter of fact, Rurounin Kenshin isn't that bad at all...it's sometimes fun to watch and entertaining. But the plot gets destroyed slowly like a hamster on a potato pealer by recycled storylines like Kaoru gets kidnapped by guy with a bandana on his head, Prince comes to the aid of the damsel in distress. Super Mario's been doing that for 15+ years!

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Pandaemonaeon

Jan 10, 2001, 02:58 PM

...And the "good guy doesn't want to kill anyone" gimmick is starting to get old, not to mention the predictability of his duels with good swordfighters...with an unlimited blood supply like that - how the hell is he going to loose?

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twisted_hate

Jan 11, 2001, 02:47 AM

Oh, by the way, I think GMA is pro-ERAP since they more often concentrate on the defense in the impeachment trail. And that channel is trying to prove that they're the best in high tech advertising. Well, for what it's worth, It's all basic Studio 3dmax and Pintados' effects are done only in adobe Premiere.

hahahahahahahahahah:devil::mad::grrr:

VioletJersey

Jan 11, 2001, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Pandaemonaeon
As a matter of fact, Rurounin Kenshin isn't that bad at all...it's sometimes fun to watch and entertaining. But the plot gets destroyed slowly like a hamster on a potato pealer by recycled storylines like Kaoru gets kidnapped by guy with a bandana on his head, Prince comes to the aid of the damsel in distress. Super Mario's been doing that for 15+ years!

...And the "good guy doesn't want to kill anyone" gimmick is starting to get old, not to mention the predictability of his duels with good swordfighters...with an unlimited blood supply like that - how the hell is he going to loose?

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my sentiments exactly!!! :lol: i mean, bakit ba palagi na lang nagpapaligtas itong si kaoru ganong kendo master (kuno!?!) sya!!! feeling nya kasi di na nya kailangan pang ipagtanggol ang sarili nya dahil my "kenshin-kun" sya!!! nasayan lang ang training nya!!! kainis talaga!!! :mad:

i mean, the plot is good... kaya lang most animés that go beyond 26 eps. will end up being so redundant and boring! it happened to me w/ Fushigi Yuugi... after the 35th ep., napipilitan na lang ako manood!?!

...and... MANGAS ARE FAR BETTER THAN ANIME! di kasi sila restricted in terms of storytelling... medyo di nga lang kasing fast-paced pero quality-wise... sobrang ganda nya talaga!!!

PS: twisted_hate, musta na!?! nakaka-miss yung mga arguments natin b4 ha!?! :lol: :)

:p :p :p

twisted_hate

Jan 12, 2001, 08:09 AM

I wouldn't bet on ALL mangas being better than anime. Well, kasi sometimes there are stories in anime na hindi nalalagay sa manga. Try comparing *******!'s anime sa manga-there's qiute a difference.(also Golden Boy)

oh BTW,
This thread is slowly losing its purpose-the argument of GMA. It would be better off that I cuss right now and have yoshi cease the discussions in this thread than for us to be talking about fandom.Even I find myself losing interest because of this.GMA still is a motherload of Bulls**t.

:devil::mad::grrr:hhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......

twisted_hate

Jan 12, 2001, 11:10 AM

BTW, go to the 'Buhay Pinoy' category and look for the topic
"Jologs and Conyo"(sumthing like that.), You may perhaps understand what I mean by the term SQUATTER.

:devil::mad::grrr:

IceAngel

Jan 13, 2001, 12:09 AM

Kurama: I agree with you completely. RK can be pretty redundant and sometimes its good storyline and art sometimes isn't enough to stop me from yawning when I watch an episode after the Shishio saga. Although I do have to admit that the episode of Sano bringing home a dog was pretty funny. I wished I could have watched the original, although the episode screams "FILLER!" from the beginning it was a good waste of time. :)

FY also deteriorated right after Nuriko died...it was just so sad the way they kept on inserting random characters like Mitsukake and Chiriko, then never show them at all, then give them half of an episode to die! Tsk tsk.

Twisted_hate, sorry if this thread is starting to become an online tambayan for anime lovers, but then, trying to convince a huge corporate media giant like GMA to respect anime as much as we do and not use it as a method to gain higher ratings is well...hopeless. It takes an anime lover to understand another anime lover's complaints, and I doubt anyone from GMA is one. I guess we have no choice to watch the original subtitled anime at AXN, at least they're making a step to providing their viewers not just with anime, but with the original feel of it that makes it anime in the first place. As for me, I'm just saddened that the "squatters" or the "new fans" of anime that GMA triggered will not be treated to the original version of the anime they are watching. They will probably spend the rest of their lives without realizing that "Eugune" is really "Yusuke", and that he is Japanese, not Filipino. It just destroys the whole idea that anime, and I mean anime in its purest and most original form, can be for everyone. :(

Lola Orgasmo

Jan 13, 2001, 09:39 AM

Whats up with GMA trying to over hype some anime sagas by doing commercials that just sound plain CORNY..... WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING !!!!

Lola Orgasmo

Jan 13, 2001, 09:46 AM

.... There was one commercial , it was talking about THE LUV that binds Miyaka and Tamahome , while having Bon Jovi as background music ..... *** DA HEL WAS DAT!!!!

Pandaemonaeon

Jan 15, 2001, 12:05 PM

my sentiments exactly!!! i mean, bakit ba palagi na lang nagpapaligtas itong si kaoru ganong kendo master (kuno!?!) sya!!! feeling nya kasi di na nya kailangan pang ipagtanggol ang sarili nya dahil my "kenshin-kun" sya!!! nasayan lang ang training nya!!! kainis talaga!!!

I'm awaiting the angry shouts of women to boycott this show. It's bloody sexist for christ's sake! Down with sexism! Down with sexism!

i mean, the plot is good... kaya lang most animés that go beyond 26 eps. will end up being so redundant and boring! it happened to me w/ Fushigi Yuugi... after the 35th ep., napipilitan na lang ako manood!?!

The plot is in the same fn' boat as the plain old "damsel in distress" storylines. Former bad guy wants to live a new life but some of the demons from his past goes out to hunt him down - it's SOOO original. I've seen Filipino screen writers come up with plotlines similar to that one. The only difference is that Kenshin doesn't duke it out with thugs dressed in ridiculous Barong outfits inside an abandoned warehouse. Come to think of it, I'd much rather waste my time watching Johnny Boy Munti get his parents whacked in a beach house than Sanosuke delaying the whole episode by convincing his opponent to change.

and... MANGAS ARE FAR BETTER THAN ANIME! di kasi sila restricted in terms of storytelling... medyo di nga lang kasing fast-paced pero quality-wise... sobrang ganda nya talaga!!!

I agree wholeheartedly. I've seen Manga recommendations on some of my issues of Wizard and the best I've seen has to be - Blade Of The Immortal: Call Of The Worm. The lead character's name is Manji, he plays a samurai anti-hero type that has to kill 1000 men to regain his mortality. He meets several bad guys with weird abilities on his quest. Eat that Fushigi Yugi.

6 ANIME PLOTS THAT SUCK
In no particular order:

01. A huge robot controlled by charismatic/gimmicky/marketable pilots.
02. Hero goes out to confront his demons. Love interest tries to convince him otherwise (yeah, right) to no avail.
03. Leading lady gets kidnapped or harmed in various episodes and Hero tries to extract payback.
04. A fight that the Hero is obviously going to win.
05. Hero doesn't want to kill anyone and would just talk it over instead.
06. Tournaments.

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dafunk

Jan 15, 2001, 12:43 PM

**** talaga GMA, ni-replay ba naman ng dbz.. at bumalik sa medyo simula.. eh nasa kalagitnaan na nga ng kwento :bop:

poseidon

Jan 15, 2001, 10:36 PM

oo nga!! :grrr: at parang nang-iinis pa sila dahil dun pa talaga sa episodes ni king piccolo :grrr: what the hell were they thinking :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

twisted_hate

Jan 16, 2001, 04:39 AM

OooooooooooHHHHHHHHH-YEAH!!!!!!

The hate is back in the Thread and it gets more twisted and twisted!!!!!!!

:devil::grrr::mad:

twisted_hate

Jan 16, 2001, 04:56 AM

6 ANIME PLOTS THAT SUCK
In no particular order:

01. A huge robot controlled by charismatic/gimmicky/marketable pilots.
02. Hero goes out to confront his demons. Love interest tries to convince him otherwise (yeah, right) to no avail.
03. Leading lady gets kidnapped or harmed in various episodes and Hero tries to extract payback.
04. A fight that the Hero is obviously going to win.
05. Hero doesn't want to kill anyone and would just talk it over instead.
06. Tournaments.

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Errr...I have to disagree with this one-but of course each person has his/her own opinion. This is mine:
A story isn't always doomed to suck because of its plot;there some things in the continuity of the story that tends to go wrong in a sort of way(or rather displeasing to the viewer). For example-06. Tournaments.
:mad:
Tournament-based stories suck. Why? What is common in Yu Yu and Recca? Right. Both have the same battle and elimination system. Hell, Almost even the same ring! Just think- If Tourney-based anime were like WWF or the like, WHAT would happen? TABLE MATCHES, HARDCORE MATCHES, CAGE MATCHES, and more! What people want is cariety in story-telling and not necessarily the plot.
:devil:
02. Hero goes out to confront his demons. Love interest tries to convince him otherwise (yeah, right) to no avail.-
Yes, but what if the Love interest was actually BEHIND all his ordeals? Wouldn't that make it interesting.
:grrr:

All these are just a writer's opinion-yours may vary, I may respect that, but I can't always honor that as my own way of thinking can I?

Keep an opened mind, but filter the not-so-good stuff.Trust me, It'll do you good.

shazlene

Jan 16, 2001, 08:24 AM

hmm dami na namang nagpo-post.. anyway this isn't really related to the topic but i just found it funny so here goes.. (btw, i found it on some page i can't remember) :)

All I Ever Learned, I Learned from Anime

1.War sucks.
2.You CAN have too many women.
3.Smart people wear glasses.
4.Music foreshadows plot.
5.The less you care about sex, the more opportunities you'll get.
6.(Inversely, the harder you try, the less you'll get.)
7.When you die, make a long speech, and don't finish the last sentence.
8.Snow means love.
9.The best teams come in fives.
10.In space, you can hear everything.
11.There's always room for flashbacks!
12.When in China, listen to your tour guide.
13.The good guy always has the BLUE or RED glow.
14.Speak quietly, pilot a big mech.
15.Believe in goddesses.
16.Teachers have excellent aim with small objects.
17.Vengeance with a mallet is the sweetest revenge of all.
18.Honor is sexy; villainy is irresistible.
19.Women are attracted to losers; men are attracted to ANYTHING.
20.The coolest weapon is still the sword.
21.The hero is never really mad until they hurt his girlfriend.
22.Female androids are sexy; male androids are....male androids.
23.The green-haired alien girl will always betray her people for the man she loves.
24.School uniforms are cool only when the collar is open.
25.A show without sexual tension isn't worth watching.
26.Love knows no race, species, or logic.
27.If it's homemade but tastes bad, grin and bury it (discreetly).
28.Never trust a huge corporation.
29.Romance never comes simpler than in a triangle.
30.Never fall for the girl who names her mech with a French name.
31.Never fall in love with a psychic.
32.You can never have too much hair.
33.Sweating is a sure sign of stress.
34.Daydreaming leads to accidents.
35.Everyone wants to conquer Japan.
36.The cute, fuzzy creature isn't always what it seems.
37.Cherry blossoms mean nostalgia.
38.Always take gravity into account.
39.Settings and faces are self-generating.
40.Losing your temper can be therapeutic.
41.There's nothing sexier than high heels on a mech.
42.You can never have too many subplots.
43.If she sings, she's doomed.
44.You always remember the sad endings.
45.Double suicide is romantic.
46.Outrageous vehicles only make the hero cooler.
47.Nothing delays romance like unruly neighbors.
48.Fancy ice cream is for girls only.
49.The most virtuous character will die.
50.Hot water has innumerable benefits.
51.No matter how much blood is lost, no one can die by a nosebleed.
52.(The same theory above applies to vomiting.)
53.The girl with the curly hair is always the seductress.
54.If a sister falls in love with her brother, somewhere down the line you will discover that they're not blood related.
55.The guy in the baseball cap is always more powerful than he seems.
56.All demons/monsters have enormous genitalia.
57.All young children can pilot mecha, you just need to give them a few days.
58.It is possible to incorporate martial arts into any aspect of life.
59.All high school kids in Japan have parents that are away on extended business trips.
60.The oldest sister is the nice one, the youngest sister is the brash one.
61.You can do anything to the human body as long as you hit the right pressure point.
62.Consuming enormous amounts of alcohol daily will never have ill effects.
63.All major villains either want to take over the world or blow it up.
64.When someone paints up their face, they mean business.
65.Everyone in Japan has excellent singing voices.
66.No matter how many times you rebuild, Tokyo keeps getting
destroyed in a massive fireball.
67.The martial arts expert is always defenseless against a slap from the girl who loves him.
68.TAKAHASHI'S LAW 1: Food is a powerful motivator.
69.When women are sent out to fight the bad guys, there's always a hunk busily watching over them, often in secret.
70.The longer it takes to say what your punch is called, the more effective it is.
71."Baka" does not mean a student going for his baccalaureate degree.
72.The more possessive a woman gets, the less likely she will end up with the man of her dreams.
73.TAKAHASHI'S LAW 2: The two-foot-tall old geezer is someone to be feared.
74.No matter how big the mach/labor/mobile suit is, if it runs around the corner, the guy chasing it loses the trail.
75.Extraterrestrial, demons, time travelers, etc. all want to alter the course of history by letting Oda Nobunaga win.
76.The fate of the planet rests in the hands of the seemingly normal high school student.
77.The heroine must shred her clothes while transforming into something to fight the bad guys.
78.True evil can never be destroyed, only banished to some nether realm where it awakes after a few hundred years.
79.TAKAHASHI'S LAW 3: When being hit on the head, it's the
most natural thing in the world to tuck your third and fourth fingers in while keeping the others extended.
80.Even the bravest souls can be made weak and helpless by the sight of a cute little puppy or kitten.
81.Never love a Gundam pilot : you're just destined for
disappointment (or a funeral).
82.All persons under the age of 50 can do a ten foot vertical jump from a standing position.
83.Never trust a guy with shiny teeth
84.ESP causes more trouble than it solves
85.The vampire isn't _always_ the bad guy
86.Nice things can come out of video stores that appear from
nowhere
87.Idiot captains win battles against impossible odds
88.Order takeout at every opportunity--you might get lucky with a wrong number.
89.The police are never anywhere there is a large amount of property damage.
90.All high school principals in Japan are clinically insane.
91.All people with esper powers give off multicolored auras.
92.Just about any outer space villain has his sights set on destroying the Earth.
93.(in conjunction with #92) No other planet in the universe will be able to stop said villain except the Earth.
94.Any character can make a leap of 300 ft or more if given a good running start.
95.A samurai sword can cut through anything.
96.All characters over the age of 60 shrink in height in direct proportion to their age.
97.When uncovering a fabulous treasure, the thing will be large enough to completely destroy any surrounding structures.
98.TAKAHASHI'S LAW #4: An anti-climax is a good climax.
99.Anime villians have the best deaths.
100.Any love interest will always be possesed by a demon.
101.Mallets can be stored anywhere on anybody.
102.If the anime has the word "idol" in the title, then you know that it has to be good.
103.Takada Yumi really does sing that bad, and people still buy her CDs.
104.If you make enough porno movies, eventually you can get famous enough to star in commercials. "Iijima Ai desu! 'Manga manga no mori mori!!'"
105.There is no such thing as a public anime showing without heckling.
106.You can spot how popular a show is by looking at the number of Hentai doujinshi it has.
107.The smartest people on r.a.a. never post, which is why the conference's overall IQ is so low.
108.If the lyrics to the OP song are printed on the screen, then you're watching a show that's not for your age group.
109.The sexiest girls are drawn by artists whose last names start with "U".
110.The English words in Jpop songs are put there only because they sound good, since they don't make any sense with the rest of the lyrics.
111.If you post on the MLs more than Hitoshi does, then you probably post too much.
112.The hero always loses the first fight with a new enemy.
113.The guys with two earrings are from the Negaverse.
114.Don't trust the guys with two earrings.
115.Any truely evil person who changes sides for the woman he loves will die in that episode.
116.You CAN do it, but only when it's funny or REALLY important.
117.You can never have too many carrots.
118.Hair comes in every shade of the rainbow - and we do mean pink, purple, blue, green....
119.The song "Cry Me a River" takes on a whole new meaning.

please don't kill me for posting such a long thing :angel:

VioletJersey

Jan 16, 2001, 12:31 PM

tnx shazlene! titingnan ko kung applicable ba sa akin!!! :lol:

PS: matatapos na ang El Hazard!!! :~( sana maganda ang ipapalit!!!

the^real_thing^42

Jan 16, 2001, 10:54 PM

GMA SUCKS TALAGA PWE!

twisted_hate

Jan 17, 2001, 05:02 AM

http://photos.yahoo.com/squatterkill

Kung wala kayong magawa at bored na kayo sa mga usapin dito sa thread na to, Punta kayo dito. Ako nag photoshop lahat nyan.

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mitch69

Jan 19, 2001, 08:20 AM

squatterkill ha.. tsk tsk tsk.. talagang laki ng galit mo sa kanila! :)

shazlene

Jan 19, 2001, 08:46 AM

yung pinalit sa el hazard, ano title nun, di ko kasi naaabutan..

twisted_hate

Jan 19, 2001, 10:55 AM

OOOOOhhhhh. Not much anime because of ERAP? Ha. The ******* actually has use to this time around. News should keep those ignorant all-anime SKAWATERs off their sets for a while. Good thing I watch the trial. Parang Wrestling kasi eh.

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IceAngel

Jan 20, 2001, 02:13 AM

I know what you mean, twisted_hate. I can tally the countless times my brothers would whine because they prefer to show the impeachment trial than Dragonball Z. I just want to comment on SOK's remarks on anime:

2. Fushigi Yugi - "Ken and Barbie" anime.

Yes, there are a lot of complaints of people running to FY because of the good-looking characters, but let's not let that ruin the possibility of the anime being worthwhile. For example, Miaka may be an annoying character but she is one of the few anime leads that are not necessarily perfect. She may be unrealistic physically but she is very realistic in her personality: she makes mistakes a lot and that is a very human quality.

3. Gundam Wing - Characters that are easy targets for Yaoih fan fictions.

Interesting point. But don't you think its a bit close-minded to shoot down an anime because of its fandom? If you're going to shoot down the fandom, shoot down the fandom. But if you're going to shoot down the anime, shoot the anime, which means you should separate it from the fandom. Anyway, back to the point. If you are aware of the current anime fandom of Gundam Wing, there have been drastic changes of GW fanfiction since its introduction to the US: There are actually more RelenaxHeero/HeeroxRelena fics than usual. If we flashback to GW before it hit America, you would never see a website pairing up Quatre and Dorothy.

4. Samurai X - Same as Fushigi Yugi, but also appeals to males cause it has those long pointy swords and gratuitious violence.

Again, good point. I don't disagree on that, but I'd still like to add that Rurouni Kenshin still has its own good aspects, for example: the mentions of Japanese History. It makes anime not just entertaining but also educational. I remember Goonie, a fellow Pex member, who said that he mentions RK to his students when he discusses Japanese history.

I agree with what twisted_hate said about tournament plots. The added factors of "tournaments" in some popular shounen animes is just that: an added factor. Its not really the whole plot. Besides, there's no such thing as an original plot these days, most anime just recycle the usual plot and then add their own ingredients to make it original. But I think the tournament factor has indeed been overused, perhaps it would have helped if they presented it in a different manner or perhaps they shouldn't have used it at all. Flame of Recca, for example, has been going ok but when this whole tournament thing started did I lose interest. It just seemed too YuYuHakusho-ish.

Oops, sorry twisted_hate, I think I swayed away from the original intention of this topic to bash GMA. ^_^

twisted_hate

Jan 20, 2001, 06:56 AM

Alright, I admit...I have fallen in love witha GMA newscaster-but that doesn't mean I already love what their doing!

It came to me just now- the problem with GMA is that they think they can win the audience by looking cool; they now use a lot of 3D studio max effects and their anime. But they forgot this- to win you don't have to look cool- you have to BE cool and not a wussy that carries guns and screams "I'M COOLER THAN YOU ARE, nye nye nye nye nyeh!"

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evilklown

Jan 20, 2001, 08:35 AM

TINAGALOG ANG CURIOUS PLAY BWISET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:

mitch69

Jan 22, 2001, 12:03 PM

luma ng balita yan.. :smokin:

twisted_hate

Jan 26, 2001, 10:28 AM

Alright... For the moment GMA hasn't made any provoking actions.However, this does not mean that OK na sila sa akin.I still hate them-with all of my twisted gut. Basta ako, I am against the proliferation of false statements and facts that are circulated by ignorant sources to equally ignorant masses-meaning I am an Anti-SKWATING.

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crescent

Jan 26, 2001, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Lola Orgasmo
.... There was one commercial , it was talking about THE LUV that binds Miyaka and Tamahome , while having Bon Jovi as background music ..... *** DA HEL WAS DAT!!!!

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT TALAGA!!!! :angry:

Saitou

Jan 26, 2001, 10:24 PM

The only problem I have with GMA is their redundant selection for their titles, which lack variety. I'm so sick of seeing shounen and shougo anime.

twisted_hate

Feb 21, 2001, 02:34 AM

It's alive! It's alive! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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twisted_hate

Mar 7, 2001, 02:54 AM

I revived this Thread for Kenshee Himura. And I still think GMA 7 SUCKS Ballz!

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tinamaan_ng_kidlat

Mar 7, 2001, 11:32 AM

hmmm...strange, isn't it because of GMA and their questionably skillful means of hype buildup that made anime even more famous in the 'pinas ("on IBC 13: ghost fighter? what's dat? on GMA: ghost fighter? oooohhhhh, that!")

the way I see it, though it's not their fault it continues, it's definitely their (fault? great deed?) for starting (for lack of a better word) "it all".

"no it's not GMA's anime, it's GMA's questionably skillful means of hype buildup..."

twisted_hate

Mar 8, 2001, 02:51 AM

basically i don't give a F*ck if they become the best station in this world. My point is they have no care whatsoever for the art. They simply are doing it for the ratings. You can't just show an anime on TV as a series if I spent 3,000 Php for the complete set of OVA's

Meaning: I wouldn't buy anime Series if it were to be shown on TV for f*cking free! I knew trigun was about 20+ episodes so, I spent time collecting em' and What- this station makes a moron out of me!

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Kenshee Himura

Mar 13, 2001, 12:16 AM

THIS IS SACRILEGE ! HOW DARE YOU MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE STATION WHO SAVED ANIME WHEN THE ABS CBN PROMO WAS DYING I CHALLENGE YOU TO A BATTLE YOU EEEEEEVIL
DOER AND IF ANY OF YOU WISH TO JOIN ME IN MY CRUSADE AGAINST EEEEVIL GO TO SMALL TALK AND LOOK FOR MY JUSTICE TEAM THREAD

monsterboy

Mar 13, 2001, 06:51 AM

well, i totally agree that GMA ruined the anime scene in our country. i totally believe that these shows have more depth. they talk about social/political/cultural issues that cannot be merely discussed to kids in a simplistic manner.

but in all fairness to channel7, ABSCBN also bastardized the anime scene. they bludgeoned Samurai X --- i just cant believe it. grrr!

twisted_hate

Mar 13, 2001, 07:09 AM

ABS-CBN at least, kahit bastardized, maganda ang dubbing nila-(my opinion of course) most of their anime. Napapatawa ako sa mga comedy scenes kasi OK yung words na nilalagay nila eh. But sa GMA naman, Ampangit ng Boses!!!! Nakakasira ng Concentration! Tsaka hinihinaan nila yung yung BGM at Sfx para lang maisigaw yung mga nakakairitang boses! ****!

BTW, I would like to suggest that you watch ABC5's Animania- this is an example of how GMA gained ratings. Pero unlike GMA, may retrospect kahit paano ang 5 kasi medyo luma rin yung pinapalabas nila eh. And they're not concentrating on their Anime-Anime B*llsh*t.

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DiSS

Mar 15, 2001, 03:09 AM

Hoy ikaw nahuli na rin kita you are wanted for being an *** in other forums minumura mo na nga yung mga administrator minura mo pa ako. There's a bounty on your head for 50 MB of free web space and I was ordered to find you and murahin ka.

p.s. I am an otaku too kaso lang hindi ako sing arte mo when it comes to anime

monsterboy

Mar 15, 2001, 04:12 AM

hey diss...

what stuff do you watch?

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DiSS

Mar 15, 2001, 12:56 PM

I watch trigun and I love cyberpunk shows such as
Gun-M, the New and old versions of BGC and Armitage III

ishikawa

Mar 15, 2001, 10:19 PM

Well guys, I think you dissing out GMA's way of translating anime is kinda overreacting..although it sounds corny sometimes.. but you must've never heard about how Animes here in the States are translated. They try to translate some Animes here in English version and I tell you, it is soooo terrible:boom:. I hate watching Animes here:grrr:. Although some of the Anime shown doesn't have a bad translation, but most of them does. It's a lot more worthwhile watching Animes back there...

I missed the Anime in the Philippines...:(

twisted_hate

Mar 16, 2001, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by ishikawa
Well guys, I think you dissing out GMA's way of translating anime is kinda overreacting..although it sounds corny sometimes.. but you must've never heard about how Animes here in the States are translated. They try to translate some Animes here in English version and I tell you, it is soooo terrible:boom:. I hate watching Animes here:grrr:. Although some of the Anime shown doesn't have a bad translation, but most of them does. It's a lot more worthwhile watching Animes back there...

I missed the Anime in the Philippines...:(

Aaah- You misunderstand...I am not the kind of person who compares things. I know and understand that them Americans think their Soooooo superior in these kinda things they neglect to see their own stupidity. Anyway, GMA sux-period. Not because they dub their Sh*t in Flip, But because they don't CHOOSE their voices well. Check the past messages for info.

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Lucca Yamazaki

Mar 18, 2001, 03:52 PM

This anime thing on GMA's gonna end up pretty much the way the Roman Empire had it. You know, people think it's good at first, then they expand, then they abuse, then they overdo, then they sucked! We'll just need some barbarians to finish it off, and voila!

Kyo Kusanagi

Mar 19, 2001, 07:37 AM

i agree to some points like that it was all for the ratings and the promotion of anime was crap (e.g. the pares-pares, anime-anime thing, and some sucky commercials), but to bash 'em for some things like the dubbing, the scenes that were cut, etc. i kinda disagree. for the dubbing, it was subject to the interpretation and style of the dubbing director himself and you really can't do anything about it. you have to admit though the voice-dubbers had very good voices. for the scenes that were cut or for cancelling the anime itself (e.g. R.Kenshin in ABS-CBN) blame MTRCB for that. the networks really has no control as to what to show in TV. ABS-CBN cancelled RK because of the difficulty to show RK with all the scenes that were cut. and when they did re-air it, it turned out really, really bad with all the missing parts. the thing you have to give credit is that what GMA did - they stopped the habit of doing reruns and replays - except for DBZ today, the filipino people wouldn't have seen the climactic endings of Voltes V or YuYu Hakusho if not for GMA 7.

mai_doze

Mar 19, 2001, 07:58 AM

i've been an anime fan since time immemorial. and i find japanese animation the best. i like ranma 1/2, tenchi muyo, boys be, samurai x, curious play will do. i never had the chance to watch gma's i have to go home late. but i had a chance to watch Ranma 1/2. the only voice(dubbed) what i think is perfect is ranma's, and the rest is.... never mind. shampoo's voice is ruined. in channel 9 they never dubbed it tagalog but the english dubbed one.

i like axn better. but i hate subtitles. i spend my time trying to read(faster) before i had the chance to peek. and i don't think subtitle anime will do better than dubbed.

did anyone submit a drawing to the contest that gma made? i'd really like to take a look. i like drawing any anime character( as long as i know the character very well.)

ishikawa

Mar 19, 2001, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by twisted_hate
Aaah- You misunderstand...I am not the kind of person who compares things. I know and understand that them Americans think their Soooooo superior in these kinda things they neglect to see their own stupidity. Anyway, GMA sux-period. Not because they dub their Sh*t in Flip, But because they don't CHOOSE their voices well. Check the past messages for info.

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Yeah, i think I got your point now. It's the way GMA handles the dubs, not the translations itself.

nadesico

Mar 19, 2001, 09:44 AM

i really wish that gma will show quality anime. those animes are long forgotten.

twisted_hate

Mar 19, 2001, 10:30 AM

Kyo:
in my opinion, Subtitles are better because since it is expected to be faulty yet the more important details of the story remains, unlike dubs- which really depends on a lot of significant factors such as Voice quality, coordination with facial expression, relevance to the situation at hand. Kasi, sa Subs, you can focus more on the story and Appreciate the original voice of the character.

Guys, for more info about what I'm about, Check the past messages. As I observed you see the problem at the wrong perspective. I Am Against The Commercialization of ANIME.

My liking of anime used to be one of my defining Qualities, now it's widespread has put me in a place that makes me "Nakikiuso".

Watch out for my Anti-Questor Essay.

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DiSS

Mar 19, 2001, 10:03 PM

It was rumored that Nadesico and Gatekeepers were
slated to be on GMA 7 and aside from Shurato Siant
Seiya will be aired on ABC 5

So Twistie baby I've got 4 words 4 you
"CHOKE ON THAT SLAPNUT!"
(Low blows twisted hate and gives him the stroke
followed by the figure 4 leg lock)

twisted_hate

Mar 20, 2001, 06:09 AM

Let's keep our battle in the Other Thread, shall we, diss? Anime is the topic here.

Kyo Kusanagi

Mar 21, 2001, 02:26 AM

twisted: i also love subs. the only problem i have with it sometimes is when the action is so great, you tend to miss it since you're so busy readin' the sub!

and about 'em nakikiuso... how can you tell anyway? i think its safe to say we all enjoy anime here, not only the people here in the forum, but even to the "SKWATINGS" that you call... i guess you have this attitude that anime lost its novelty when now many watch it and are into it... i sometimes have the same problem...

twisted_hate

Mar 21, 2001, 06:22 AM

You have difficulty with subs? I guess only a few people have ease in mastering fast reading in Subs. That's all. I'm glad you share my pain.

ako_ay_cute

Dec 21, 2001, 06:15 AM

heya! :D

well, looks like there's been quite a war going on here these past months.... :sweatdrop2:

anyway, here's my own opinion on this whole gama 7/ fillipino dub/anime hype thingy going on here in this country:

first of all, i love watching japanese cartoons.... hey, even cartoons from different countries (basta cartoons, especially when they're really tastefully done :D).... i've always loved the way how the japanese make & create things in the most artistic (if not innovative way), even as a kid. 'yun nga lang, with the advent of this whole crappy "anime assault" hype thing started by gma, okay sana siya, kaso... masyado lang siya overrated, y' know? besides, kahit papaano mas okay pa ang mga pinapalabas dati na anime shows sa tv even b4 this whole hype thing started.... sa akin kasi, pag ginawang mainstream masyado ang isang bagay, chances are nagiging baboy na tuloy siya. sayang naman, lalo na in terms of artistic value (as well as storywise). i'm actually pertaining to some of the few anime shows i love on gma (although i myself don't really agree with its other anime shows --- they basically fall below my own tastes, personally... & my own reasons for that is basically quite like yours.)

personally ang pinakanagustuhan ko lang talaga na shows sa gma ay sunny pig (also known as hare tokidoki buta in japanese :D), gundam wing & weiss kreutz(ehehe :belat: ), mojacko, detective conan... 'yun lang talaga! basically the art in sunny pig is really cool & avant-garde para sa akin (unlike yung mga usual ko nang nakikita lagi ;P), as well as yun lang talagang mga tanging matitinong anime shows na napanood ko sa gma. 'yung iba, ***** oo, pinapanood ko pa rin, kahit papano (kahit na storya lang ang tanging habol ko doon, forget the crappy dubbing --- ok na sana't pilipino siya, pero, alam mo na... tuloy, lalong nabababoy ang pag-dub sa filipino. >:/ ), pero sa lahat² yun lang talaga ang kinaa-appreciate ko sa lahat.

yung sa abs-cbn naman, okay din, kaso. may pangit din, e --- i really like their dubbing better than gma 7 (doon ko talaga naa-appreciate ang filipino dubbing), kaso lagi naman nila tinatanggal ang opening at ending credits kadalasan, laging binibitin, kaya wala rin, in a way. :/

btw, honestly, mas okay pa ang samurai x sa studio 23 kesa sa 2, in my own opinon. (no offense! ^^') as for those anime shows shown in english b4, it's much better if they remain as is, rather than be re-dubbed with a much (lamer) lesser kind of dubbing. :\

okay na sana ang pagpalabas ng channel 2 sa digimon, pero i would very much appreciate it kung tinagalog na lang nila ang dubbing nila doon --- sa 22o lang, they excel there even more than in english. halatang pilit e, sa 22o lang. they don't have to compete like that just to get high ratings & many viewers. they can do better than that.

& lastly, kahit ingles pa yan o pilipino, i still appreciate & love watching anime as long as the dubbing's accurate if not at least close enough to the whole script, as well as i love & appreciate the story itself. ^_^

(nota bene: add to that the bonuses that go w/ the show, ie.: graphics/artwork *^^*, soundtrack, etc. hehe.)

'yun lang po! bow. :cat: