How hard is it to get into UP Med school from Ateneo?

[JeoffDomingo]

I've heard that it's next to impossible. Perhaps I am completely wrong though...

Can anyone give me any insight on this topic? And NO bashing please.

[Gospel of Judas]

Akala ko lang ba sa Law Schools lang related ang thing na ito. Pati pala sa Med Schools. :rotflmao:

Flamebait! :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[weluvzanjoe]

Super hard..... if you really want to go to UP Med School...dun ka na lang mag-pre med dahil may edge ka pa.....During my time, 3 lang nakapasok sa UP...sa UST - they give priority to students who took pre-med there and to those applicants whose parents studied there........ siguro mga < 10 lang nakapasok sa UST sa batch ko.......most of us went to UERM.......which was ok kasi i really wanted to study in Ateneo in the first place......most of my classmates in UERM were from Ateneo and UP also.........the Ateneo Med School will be opening na raw....probably 2007... so if you're a freshman....aabutin mo na yon....... In the end, if you're given the chance, it's nice to have an Ateneo education..........

[JeoffDomingo]

Akala ko lang ba sa Law Schools lang related ang thing na ito. Pati pala sa Med Schools. :rotflmao:

Flamebait!
Did I NOT say ------------> NO bashing please???


There's also a good number of doctor wanabes in Ateneo college. why did those people choose Ateneo? I don't know. I suspect in part for resources (new buildings). I suspect in part for the strength of the student body. I suspect in part for the history (Rizal, et.al). I suspect they're NOT that smart to get into UP and/or La Salle pre-med courses (mostly UPCAT rejects). I suspect "trip" lang nila talaga mag Ateneo (takot sa UP premed).

[JeoffDomingo]

Super hard.....
I wanted to know why is that so. Is it because Ateneo is not preparing its premed students well and are usually getting low scores in the NMAT?

Let's take La Salle vs UPLB's case for example.

Well, the point is that when you are talking about UP-Med, then the deck is clearly stacked in favor of UP premed (UPD, UPM, UPLB). After all, UP-Medical School provides admissions preference to UP premed grads. (Or am I wrong about this???) A higher percentage of UP Med School premed grads compared to La Salle-Taft grads will be UP premed grads. The net effect is that UP-Medical School will admit UPLB premeds who are of slightly lower quality than La Salle premeds, and the UPLB premeds will tend to want to go to UP-Med, compared to La Salle premeds in order to take advantage of the low tuition and world-class medical training.

Yet the facts demonstrate that even with the deck stacked against them, La Salle premeds STILL do better than do UPLB premeds.



if you really want to go to UP Med School...dun ka na lang mag-pre med dahil may edge ka pa.....During my time, 3 lang nakapasok sa UP...sa UST - they give priority to students who took pre-med there and to those applicants whose parents studied there........ siguro mga < 10 lang nakapasok sa UST sa batch ko.......most of us went to UERM.......which was ok kasi i really wanted to study in Ateneo in the first place......most of my classmates in UERM were from Ateneo and UP also.........the Ateneo Med School will be opening na raw....probably 2007... so if you're a freshman....aabutin mo na yon....... In the end, if you're given the chance, it's nice to have an Ateneo education..........

This preferential thing holds above all other courses only in Management Engineering, not the premed programme. I believe this is in part because the undergrad programme of Ateneo is geared towards Business School or Law School, which is unheard of in the elite premed circles. But in UP, most are aware of the gap in quality of their premed programmes. What's your view?

[ach_soo]

Easy if you finish Interdisciplinary Studies.

[grapes_of_]

good thing ateneo will be introducing its med program soon.

[babyb0y1]

it is really hard for ateneans to enter UP because UP prioritizes those from provinces. UP assumed that ateneans can afford to go to expensive schools. if an atenean does not get into UP med, it is not a reflection of poor intellect but a result of UP's socialized system. i know an atenean who got 100% in NMAT but she was not able to make it to UP because UP thought that she was rich. If you want to make it to UP, you must put the most remote address you can possibly have. If you have relatives in tawi-tawi, sulo, etc, put that address in the application form to have a better chance of making it to UP.

[Gospel of Judas]

Pano yung mga probinsyanong Atenista tulad ni preacher000? ;)

[blueLOCO]

it is really hard for ateneans to enter UP because UP prioritizes those from provinces. UP assumed that ateneans can afford to go to expensive schools. if an atenean does not get into UP med, it is not a reflection of poor intellect but a result of UP's socialized system. i know an atenean who got 100% in NMAT but she was not able to make it to UP because UP thought that she was rich. If you want to make it to UP, you must put the most remote address you can possibly have. If you have relatives in tawi-tawi, sulo, etc, put that address in the application form to have a better chance of making it to UP.

But a survey result shows that UP Med students are mostly from Manila schools. Here's an example for the class of 2009:

64 - UP Diliman
32 - UP Manila
9 - DLSU
4 - UPLB
2 - UST
2 - Ateneo
2 - Velez College (Cebu)
1 - SLU
1 - FEU
1 - MSU-IIT
1 - AdDU
1 - XU
1 - CLSU
1 - UST
1 - ???? Bicol
1 - ???? San Fernando, Pampanga
1 - ??? Cagayan de Oro


exclsuing intarmed students. And I know for a fact that no one has ever perfected the NMAT. The closest to have ever done that was by a UPIS grad from class of 2007. She will graduate from a degree of doctor of medicine next year.

Please check your facts.

[Bomber]

^ ^ Please provide the link. Otherwise, is this another tampered propaganda like many other false claims made in PEx by the Warwick guy from Leyte?

[trauma]

It might be difficult but it's possible especially those with high honors (magna cum laudes) and above cutoff in NMAT (90), I spoke with some recent grads and some faculty told them that they don't emphasize the NMAT as long as you make the cutoff. Grades and interview matter a lot. There were honor students from La salle and Ateneo.
In terms of regionalization, it may be overhyped as a lot of those from the southern provinces are actually richer than some from Metro manilans. They consider where your family is living but a lot of them have been living in NCR since high school. Most of them are honor students so I don't think regionalization is a grave injustice to anybody.

[nacho_salsa]

Let's take La Salle vs UPLB's case for example.

Well, the point is that when you are talking about UP-Med, then the deck is clearly stacked in favor of UP premed (UPD, UPM, UPLB). After all, UP-Medical School provides admissions preference to UP premed grads. (Or am I wrong about this???) A higher percentage of UP Med School premed grads compared to La Salle-Taft grads will be UP premed grads. The net effect is that UP-Medical School will admit UPLB premeds who are of slightly lower quality than La Salle premeds, and the UPLB premeds will tend to want to go to UP-Med, compared to La Salle premeds in order to take advantage of the low tuition and world-class medical training.

Yet the facts demonstrate that even with the deck stacked against them, La Salle premeds STILL do better than do UPLB premeds.

This preferential thing holds above all other courses only in Management Engineering, not the premed programme. I believe this is in part because the undergrad programme of Ateneo is geared towards Business School or Law School, which is unheard of in the elite premed circles. But in UP, most are aware of the gap in quality of their premed programmes. What's your view?

UPLB "premeds" who are of slightly lower quality than La Salle premeds? What makes you think that UPLB has a premed program? Yes, it has a BS Biology program, but UPLB doesn't treat it as a premed program, unlike UP Manila, DLSU and Ateneo (not sure about Diliman). UPLB's BS biology program focuses on producing researchers in the field, not doctors. After they graduate, they are expected to work for research institutions, specifically those based in UPLB like:

Institute of Plant Breeding http://www.uplb.edu.ph/ca/ipb/main/
International Rice Research Institute http://www.irri.org
and the National Institute of Molecular Biology and Biotechnology http://www.uplb.edu.ph/admin/ovcre/biotech/about_us.html

among others. A lot of them also end up in private research institutions (monsanto, pfizer, etc) which is the reason why there aren't a lot of UPLB graduates who take up medicine. They are encouraged to take up specialized graduate courses such as genetics, microbiology and biotechnology to address the country's chronic lack of researchers http://www.uplb.edu.ph/cas/grad.shtml

I wonder if you guys in la salle have internationally-recognized PhD programs in genetics, microbiology and chemistry? How about highly specialized biological research institutions?

While there's a lack of doctors in the country, there's actually a bigger lack of researchers in biotechnology and genetics because it isn't as popular, probably because it's difficult and the pay isn't as lucrative. Imagine spending at least six years in graduate school (MS and PhD) and get paid only a fraction of what a doctor, CEO or a La Salle professor earns. Even so, I'm proud to say that UPLB has produced a lot of scientists in the field who have sacrificed their lives to serve the country as UPLB researchers, producing scientific breakthroughs that la salle biology graduates can only dream of producing. Want proof of this? check these websites out

http://www.bic.searca.org/news/2004/nov/phi/28.html
http://www.biotech-info.net/no_threat.html
http://www.uplb.edu.ph/admin/ovcre/biotech/matt.html
http://www.up.edu.ph/forum/2002/Aug02/davide.html
http://www.stii.dost.gov.ph/sntpost/frames/october2001/pg_15.htm
http://www.gov.ph/news/default.asp?i=13930

These are only a few of what UPLB scientists have done to serve our nation, many of whom are UPLB BS Biology grads. Of course they're free to take up medicine after they graduate if they want to, but their natural disposition is to be researchers, which is why there are only a few of them who apply at UP College of Medicine. I hope that next time you'll do a little more research before making comments like that.

[atenean_blooded]

nacho salsa:

JeoffDomingo is not from La Salle or UP.

He's from the Warwickian School of Leyte.

[nacho_salsa]

warwickan school of leyte? pretender huh?

[thermodynamics]

sorry ha, but what is warwickian school of leyte?
bad ba si jeoff domingo? just asking...



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I also intend to go to UP PGH before I graduated, but then, I decided to work na lang and pursue MS next year. My friend wanted also... but he's grade is 2.04 so hindi sya pwede. 2.00 cut-off for boys kase dun. For girls 1.75.
wala lang. I don't know if this is also applicable to students of other schools who want to take Med-proper sa UP PGH.

One friend also scored 96% sa NMAT but her grade is 1.99 so she was not admitted. Truly tough sya not only for UP grads for all... I don't think may discrimination dito or priorities.

[KuyaDanny]

Bakit magkaiba pa ang cutoff sa babae at lalaki?

[pinatubo]

^ The college needs a class with an equal number of males and females. Hence, there are separate selection processes and maybe separate criteria. But in the last few years, it appeared that female applicants had higher GWA, hence the perceived cutoff requirement had become relatively higher, but not definite as it can also vary every year for both sexes.

[KuyaDanny]

Oh. OK. Another stupid question - why are equal numbers of males and females needed? I hope they are not going to teach ballroom dancing. :)

[Coke-aholic]

baka may laro every day. Boys vs Girls. Ayan para pantay ahihihih

[feisty_virago]

Super hard..... if you really want to go to UP Med School...dun ka na lang mag-pre med dahil may edge ka pa.....During my time, 3 lang nakapasok sa UP...sa UST - they give priority to students who took pre-med there and to those applicants whose parents studied there........ siguro mga < 10 lang nakapasok sa UST sa batch ko.......most of us went to UERM.......which was ok kasi i really wanted to study in Ateneo in the first place......most of my classmates in UERM were from Ateneo and UP also.........the Ateneo Med School will be opening na raw....probably 2007... so if you're a freshman....aabutin mo na yon....... In the end, if you're given the chance, it's nice to have an Ateneo education..........

I think weluvzanjoe is right. It may be quite hard to get into UP if youre not a UP graduate. UP has always been preferential to its own graduates and considering that medicine is a course that should be (or is) preferably taken continuously, unlike Law which you can take 10 years after college graduation, one has to bear in mind that admission in the best med school in the country is more cutthroat. Imagine that,say the annual opening in UP Med school in Manila could only accomodate 500 students. And you could imagine that graduates of Biology, Chemistry, Psychology,Bio-chem, etc. of UP Diliman alone exceed that number (assuming they all want to be doctors thats why they took those courses) . Plus, you have to take into consideration as well the graduates of these courses in the provincial branches of UP, who would also want to take their medicine proper in UP Manila. And UP prides itself in taking only the best as these pre-med courses are usually quota courses.

Ateneo, on the other hand, only produces less than 120 graduates of combined Chem,Biology and BS Psychology (well during my batch anyway) courses. So I naturally assume that majority of those admitted by the UPMed School administrators would be definitely from its UP campuses all over the country by the sole fact they outnumbered Atenean students in sheer volume alone, or other schools' for that matter. Of course to be fair, they have to take in a small percentage of graduates from the other schools. Probably they would take in the really brilliant ones from these schools who deserve to be scholars.

Case in point: Who would UP Med take in given this scenario:

A Magna Cum Laude Bio graduate of Ateneo who had a NMAT rating of, say, 93%, Parents produce in a combined income of P2M annually as revealed in the interview.

A Cum Laude Psych graduate of UP Los Banos who obtained a rating of say, 92.96%, Parents live on a combined income of say P300,000 a year as revealed in the inetrview

Between the 2, I'm pretty sure UP would still choose the UP graduate. They would always say that the UP graduate is more deserving because the Ateneo graduate can study Medicine anywhere but UP may be the only chance of the UP scholar to get an actual medicine education.

Just my 2 cents worth.

But just take joy in the fact that Ateneo is opening its medical school already.
I've always lamented the fact that Ateneo has always been strong in its liberal arts program but its science/engineering areas could still do more. Glad to hear that Ateneo is now giving priority to its scienece and engineering departments. Its a start. ^_^

(But I'm thinking that future Atenean doctors might not be as well-rounded as their UP counterparts because the Atenean doctors might only be trained to handle "diseases of the affluent" like highblood, diabetes,heart diseases etc in the Medical City. :lol: :rotflmao: as compared to UP doctors who aside from the "diseases of the affluent,"would know what to do in cases of malaria, dengue,tuberculosis, the normal cases in PGH.:lol:

OT: On a more cynical note... Hehehe, mag-nursing ka na lang. Mas malaki kita ng mga nurses abroad kesa doctors here. Hindi pa 8 years ang pagpapaguran mo:p

[atenean_blooded]

Hello, fiesty_virago. I think your apprehensions about the Ateneo med program are already well-addresed, and perhaps your expectations have even been exceeded. I suggest you look up the threads here on the Ateneo School of Medicine and Public Health. There's also info on the Ateneo website, www.ateneo.edu.

[pinatubo]

^^^^ Perhaps the college still believes females should have the same opportunity as males in becoming physicians. If the Spanish led UST produced the first Filipino physicians in the last quarter of the 19th century, the American led UP produced their first Filipina counterparts at the dawn of the 20th century. In UP Med, if you're a female lateral entrant (direct entrants are the intarmed students) and don't have a latin honor, almost everyone would presume that you're a daughter of a college faculty member. But their selection process is legal and separate also. It's the college's way of thanking its faculty who willingly sacrifice their time and effort in teaching. I think there are 5-10 slots offered for this.

[trauma]

You'll be surprised with the amount of dancing and singing happening there:lol: too many activities.
As for the lower grades of males, have you seen how men spend their free time? I can remember a lot of wasted time drinking and doing useless things (enjoyable though). Girls are more serious with their studies and there's a lot of pressure for them to succeed given the competition.
UP is not the only good med school and I'm glad that Ateneo is opening one soon for it's graduates. UST this year admitted half of their 1st years from other schools (mainly UP, Ateneo ). Medicine is really stinking in popularity so the joke about Nursing is appropriate.

[brain dead]

(But I'm thinking that future Atenean doctors might not be as well-rounded as their UP counterparts because the Atenean doctors might only be trained to handle "diseases of the affluent" like highblood, diabetes,heart diseases etc in the Medical City. :lol: :rotflmao: as compared to UP doctors who aside from the "diseases of the affluent,"would know what to do in cases of malaria, dengue,tuberculosis, the normal cases in PGH.:lol:


You forgot to include include yung mga napana sa kalye and naputukan ng super lolo.:rotflmao:

But I guess with a good number of the faculty coming from UP-PGH they'll get the rounding they need

[Les]

The short answer is that it's hard to be accepted into U.P. if you're from other schools (Ateneo, DLSU, etc.). U.P. will naturally prioritize its own graduates. The few slots allotted to non-U.P. graduates will naturally be subject to fierce competition, and hence you need to be very good academically to get in. In my batch, only two Ateneo grads were accepted (one guy and one girl). The latter was the valedictorian of her batch and a summa cum laude.

The things that matter will be your undergraduate academic performance and interview. The NMAT is pretty irrelevant because nearly all applicants have percentile grades of 99 or higher and thus has no discriminatory value. If you're a guy, you have a better chance because of lesser competition compared to female applicants.

About the new Ateneo med school, frankly I'm surprised that it was even put up. Unlike years ago, med school is no longer as attractive compared to nursing. Given the enormous number of M.D.'s turning to nursing (estimated to be around 4000-6000), one current joke is that a medical degree is actually a 'pre-nursing' degree. :lol:

[trauma]

About the new Ateneo med school, frankly I'm surprised that it was even put up. Unlike years ago, med school is no longer as attractive compared to nursing. Given the enormous number of M.D.'s turning to nursing (estimated to be around 4000-6000), one current joke is that a medical degree is actually a 'pre-nursing' degree. :lol:
I think the Ateneo program will not have a hard time getting students as it is a combined Masters/MD program. Most likely they have a realistic quota of 70 or less students. The ones that will be affected are other middle of the road private medical schools like UERM (they have 153 this year-one of the lowest in their history) and FEU (around 200) . St. Luke's also cannot even get 100 students (they have an estimate of 90 or less).

[Dennis21]

Case in point: Who would UP Med take in given this scenario:

A Magna Cum Laude Bio graduate of Ateneo who had a NMAT rating of, say, 93%, Parents produce in a combined income of P2M annually as revealed in the interview.

A Cum Laude Psych graduate of UP Los Banos who obtained a rating of say, 92.96%, Parents live on a combined income of say P300,000 a year as revealed in the inetrview

Between the 2, I'm pretty sure UP would still choose the UP graduate. They would always say that the UP graduate is more deserving because the Ateneo graduate can study Medicine anywhere but UP may be the only chance of the UP scholar to get an actual medicine education.

I don't think economic background is a factor in geeting into UP Med. If that's the case, then there would only be 2 or 3 students in UP Med. Like what Les is saying, your undergrad grades and your performance in the interview portion are the main criteria for getting admitted, obviously, not economic background.

As to your example above, I think the reason being is that it is easier to graduate with honors in Ateneo than in UP. There's grade inflation in Ateneo. I think many private schools have. In UP, you have to work hard for your grades. Also, the Ateneo student body has lesser (academic) competitiveness compared to UP's, and to some extent, La Salle's.

[O@sis]

I don't think economic background is a factor in geeting into UP Med. If that's the case, then there would only be 2 or 3 students in UP Med. Like what Les is saying, your undergrad grades and your performance in the interview portion are the main criteria for getting admitted, obviously, not economic background.

As to your example above, I think the reason being is that it is easier to graduate with honors in Ateneo than in UP. There's grade inflation in Ateneo. I think many private schools have. In UP, you have to work hard for your grades. Also, the Ateneo student body has lesser (academic) competitiveness compared to UP's, and to some extent, La Salle's.


Grabe! You must have taken degrees in both UP and Ateneo for you to be able to come up with such sweeping statements.

Regardless, what college or university, school is still and will always be a labor of 'hardwork'.(Public or Private). Last, who are you to judge ones academic competitiveness? Are you a dean or something?

medyo, sobrang lakas ata ng nahithit mo kagabi bagay ka nga sa 'blackship' magsamasama kayong 'may sira sa tuktok! :confused:

[nacho_salsa]

As to your example above, I think the reason being is that it is easier to graduate with honors in Ateneo than in UP. There's grade inflation in Ateneo. I think many private schools have. In UP, you have to work hard for your grades. Also, the Ateneo student body has lesser (academic) competitiveness compared to UP's, and to some extent, La Salle's.

Yeah, the statement is indeed sweeping. You should stop making statements about how good one school is from another unless you've actually experienced what it's like in both institutions.

And just to clarify, there are no premed courses in UPLB (such as psych). Please refer to my previous post. thanks.

[feisty_virago]

Yeah, the statement is indeed sweeping. You should stop making statements about how good one school is from another unless you've actually experienced what it's like in both institutions.

And just to clarify, there are no premed courses in UPLB (such as psych). Please refer to my previous post. thanks.


Okay, my bad. Thanks nacho salsa, i stand corrected. But going back to my example, let's say that its also a BS Bio graduate of UP Visayas (this time i'm sure BS BIO is offered in UPV) to make the comparison more like orange and a ponkan as opposed to my early example which is verging on the apples and oranges side. I would still say that UP is more likely to get one of its own. Many people are saying that it has always been preferential to its own graduates (even its own graduates say so) so there must be some truth to that statement. And to that Dennis guy, never in my earlier comment did i say all/majority students in UP were poor or rich for you to say that 'if thats the case, there will only be 2-3 UP students in UP med." I know how freaking expensive it is to study Medicine, dude. With the example I stated above, I am referring to which student would the UP Med admin accept in their last slot given the choice between 2 equally smart students, the well-off atenean and the middle-class /financially-challenged UP student. It is a matter of who deserve/needs the slot more than the other so that's when several factors,aside from intellect, are taken into consideration. If I were the UP med admin, I would definitely choose the UP grad and prolly put the atenean in my wait-list.

Yep, and I hope that Dennis guy doesn't make sweeping statements about the quality of students of DLSU, ADMU or other schools for that matter, whether in the field of medicine or law or social sciences etc. There would always be brilliant students and lousy students in all schools, and *gasp* including UP! If thats the case, then there wouldn't be any kick-outs in UP, would there? (I've always regarded UP kick-outs as a waste of tax-payer's money).

Unless you took similar courses/taught in the same schools, then I suggest you go easy on the sweeping statements muna.

[Gangreen]

^ ^ Dennis = JeoffDomingo= gerry_lim = Meque = Vivid UPian = LeonellMercado = Black Ship :lol:

As if you guys can't tell...........:rotflmao:

[Les]

nacho_salsa, only UP Manila's Biology course is oriented to be a premed course (e.g. they have human biology). Both the UPLB and UP Diliman Bio courses are research-oriented. If the faculty had their way, I think they would want the graduates to pursue a Bio-related course rather than go into Medicine. Of course, that's out of their control.

In truth, the best "plus factor" for getting into UPCM is to have taken your undergraduate course in UP. The short of it is that UPCM overwhelmingly favors UP graduates. This is an unchanging truth, as supported by the composition of my batch, the batches before us, and those that came after us. If you took your premed course outside UP, you only have a reasonable chance of getting accepted if you have good grades.

My batchmates who came from other schools, probably by virtue of the tough screening process, performed very well academically. In fact our class valedictorian was a UST graduate. On a sad note however, our sole DLSU batchmate (as far as I can recall) dropped out during the first or second year.

Regarding economic status, as far as I know it doesn't figure into the equation. With so few slots available, it's just basically an outright academic competition plus the subjective aspect of the interview. My batch had a lot of wealthy classmates, though most of us probably belonged to the middle class.

Incidentally, the UPCM tuition is just a little short of P12,000 per semester, as contrasted with the P60,000-80,000 tution in private schools. If you're lucky and one of your parents works in UP, you only pay P96.50 per semester. :D

[blueLOCO]

Okay, my bad. Thanks nacho salsa, i stand corrected. But going back to my example, let's say that its also a BS Bio graduate of UP Visayas (this time i'm sure BS BIO is offered in UPV) to make the comparison more like orange and a ponkan as opposed to my early example which is verging on the apples and oranges side. I would still say that UP is more likely to get one of its own. Many people are saying that it has always been preferential to its own graduates (even its own graduates say so) so there must be some truth to that statement.

Ang tanong nga ng thread starter (TS) sa statement na yan --- why?
Ang sagot mo --- economic reason.

Then here came a UP Med student telling you -- "Regarding economic status, as far as I know it doesn't figure into the equation."
So, do you think she is lying?



And to that Dennis guy, never in my earlier comment did i say all/majority students in UP were poor or rich for you to say that 'if thats the case, there will only be 2-3 UP students in UP med." I know how freaking expensive it is to study Medicine, dude. With the example I stated above, I am referring to which student would the UP Med admin accept in their last slot given the choice between 2 equally smart students, the well-off atenean and the middle-class /financially-challenged UP student.
Again, the reason is Economic/fiancial capability of the student??

BTW, middle-class are no way finally challanged. Ang pamilya mo ay middle-class. Finally challanged ba kayo???


It is a matter of who deserve/needs the slot more than the other so that's when several factors,aside from intellect, are taken into consideration. If I were the UP med admin, I would definitely choose the UP grad and prolly put the atenean in my wait-list.

But how would this UP Admin know that the applicant from Ateneo is "richer" than the applicant from UP when almost everyone from UP premed are as rich as anyone from Ateneo premed? I should know kasi nag UP premed din ako.
I would even go far in saying that -- in general -- the UP premed students are "richer" than the ateneo premed students. Have you been to UP Bio pav? Most of them are the sons and daughters of the country's "who's who." Ang problema sa statement mo, masyadong presumptuous. Dahil nag ateneo, mas mayaman na. Anak ng employee namin sa Ateneo nag -aaral. Isang political science at isang economics.

Buksan mo ang iyong mga mata. marami din ang mahihirap sa ateneo. Merong nag-aaral sa ateneo through scholarship.

Again, Ateneo is NOT exclusively for the rich in the same way that UP is not exclusively for the poor.

The Ateneo student body is just middle-class, not neccessarily rich. Sila yung mga anak ng may-ari ng small scale businesses. Those who own large scale businesses, or the really rich ones, usually send their children in some famous universities in England or in America. That is, if there children failed to make it to UP.

Ikaw, for example, Atenista ka. Pero huwag mong sabihin na masmayaman ka kesa mga taga UP dahil lang nag-aral ka sa Ateneo. Isampal ko itong laptop ko sa mukha mo. At maski ilang laptop pa ang wasakin ko sa mukha mo, hinding-hindi ka maging mas mayaman kesa sa pamilya ko o sa mga taga UP.



Yep, and I hope that Dennis guy doesn't make sweeping statements about the quality of students of DLSU, ADMU or other schools for that matter, whether in the field of medicine or law or social sciences etc.

Hindi ba sweeping din yung naging rason mo?


There would always be brilliant students and lousy students in all schools, and *gasp* including UP! If thats the case, then there wouldn't be any kick-outs in UP, would there? (I've always regarded UP kick-outs as a waste of tax-payer's money).

define lousy first. kasi ang alam ko, ang lousy UP student would be a brilliant ateneo student. this is a general knowledge. The UP student body is academically competitive. They are the country's finest students. There are a few UPCAT passers in Ateneo too, but the general student body in Ateneo is composed of mostly UPCAT rejects.



Unless you took similar courses/taught in the same schools, then I suggest you go easy on the sweeping statements muna.
No need! This is a fact which was discovered way before we were born. Even our great grand fathers know this. Your professors in Ateneo know this. Your parents know this. You know this.

[blueLOCO]

Grabe! You must have taken degrees in both UP and Ateneo for you to be able to come up with such sweeping statements.


You need not go to both schools to be able to spell the difference. There are readily available sources that can provide that info for you.

UP is a topnotch university. It is the best university in the country and the whole world know that. The UP students are the finest students in the country. they are selected from almost a hundred thousand applicants from all over the world. They are the best of their high schools. They all chose to go to UP because they know it is the best school in the whole country. If you don't know these, ang tan@a mo! HA HA HA...........

[atenean_blooded]

Is the Black Ship Factbook among the readily-available sources?

[feisty_virago]

Ang tanong nga ng thread starter (TS) sa statement na yan --- why?
Ang sagot mo --- economic reason.

Then here came a UP Med student telling you -- "Regarding economic status, as far as I know it doesn't figure into the equation."
So, do you think she is lying?




Again, the reason is Economic/fiancial capability of the student??

BTW, middle-class are no way finally challanged. Ang pamilya mo ay middle-class. Finally challanged ba kayo???




But how would this UP Admin know that the applicant from Ateneo is "richer" than the applicant from UP when almost everyone from UP premed are as rich as anyone from Ateneo premed? I should know kasi nag UP premed din ako.
I would even go far in saying that -- in general -- the UP premed students are "richer" than the ateneo premed students. Have you been to UP Bio pav? Most of them are the sons and daughters of the country's "who's who." Ang problema sa statement mo, masyadong presumptuous. Dahil nag ateneo, mas mayaman na. Anak ng employee namin sa Ateneo nag -aaral. Isang political science at isang economics.

Buksan mo ang iyong mga mata. marami din ang mahihirap sa ateneo. Merong nag-aaral sa ateneo through scholarship.

Again, Ateneo is NOT exclusively for the rich in the same way that UP is not exclusively for the poor.

The Ateneo student body is just middle-class, not neccessarily rich. Sila yung mga anak ng may-ari ng small scale businesses. Those who own large scale businesses, or the really rich ones, usually send their children in some famous universities in England or in America. That is, if there children failed to make it to UP.

Ikaw, for example, Atenista ka. Pero huwag mong sabihin na masmayaman ka kesa mga taga UP dahil lang nag-aral ka sa Ateneo. Isampal ko itong laptop ko sa mukha mo. At maski ilang laptop pa ang wasakin ko sa mukha mo, hinding-hindi ka maging mas mayaman kesa sa pamilya ko o sa mga taga UP.





Hindi ba sweeping din yung naging rason mo?



define lousy first. kasi ang alam ko, ang lousy UP student would be a brilliant ateneo student. this is a general knowledge. The UP student body is academically competitive. They are the country's finest students. There are a few UPCAT passers in Ateneo too, but the general student body in Ateneo is composed of mostly UPCAT rejects.




No need! This is a fact which was discovered way before we were born. Even our great grand fathers know this. Your professors in Ateneo know this. Your parents know this. You know this.


Dear, that was for the Dennis guy. Bakit ikaw ang nagagalaiti jan? :rolleyes: Ikaw ba si Dennis? I would have expected him to answer me but it seems that I have managed to irk a certain blueloco to a point that s/he wants to hit me. Tsk. How about that guys? What an achievement. And I wasn’t even trying to pick a fight.
Threadstarter,Moderators. He started it!:D

I know what exactly the thread starter was asking, dude. And for the record, I didn’t just answer economic reasons. I answered his question in 2-fold, giving only my humble opinions. To refresh your memory:
a) Because UP is preferential to its own students (as attested by its own students).
b) Due to economic background, the UP Med Admin would prefer getting a financially-challenged student to see which among the top examinees deserve the slots (or in the example I gave, the last slot).

Look, I know that Les (a UP Med student) already answered that UP overwhelmingly favors its own students. So I got Point A right. But as far Les knows, economic background is not considered. So I was mejo sablay in Point B. But I imagined myself as the UP Med school admission processor and if I were to screen the two students in my given example above vying for the last slot, both who have the same course, same NMAT grade, same scholastic achievements, both graduated with Latin honors, with the only difference being their economic background as revealed in the interview, what other factors do I consider aside from what they have told me during the interview and whats printed on their resume? I would basically favor the UP student more because s/he is more deserving because this may be the only chance the UP kid may get into med school, even if the Atenean’s surname is let’s say…Abad and the UP kid’s name is…say, Reyes (and in the admission process, they admit students alphabetically). If UP Med would accept Abad regardless of her financial status just because its fair she goes first in the name list, then well and good. At least that goes to show that indeed, economic factor does not come into play here, and I would have gladly stood corrected. If I said both students were financially-challenged and all other conditions apply, and they still pick Abad, then great, goes to show that indeed, UP doesnt accept students base on financial capability. I merely gave that example to illustrate my point and if I stand corrected by objective people, then I stand corrected. Simple as that. I was merely giving opinions and never did I say I was giving gospel truths. In fact, you will notice that my posts were full of the words prolly, possibly, maybe. And there were nice decent folks in this forum who were quick to point out my mistakes in a civilized, polite manner. But if you got offended to the point you wanna hit me, trash talk me (is that what they taught you in UP?) then go ahead, if it makes you happy. :bop:

And yes, I went to that school you oh so hate. But I forgot to tell you one thing, honey. I was a financially-challenged scholar there a couple of years ago. And I chose to go there because I did not like my course in UP (just got my 2nd choice, oh boo-hoo-hoo) and I got my first choice in ADMU (course almost equivalent to my first choice in UP) and a full scholarship to boot. Besides, my house is nearer to ADMU than UP and I have saved a lot from my commute money then. But what made me decide that it was really the school for me was that it was a Catholic school. Coming from a family of cerrado Catolicos, I was taught by nuns throughout my pre- school to high school years so going to the nearest Catholic university would only re-affirm my faith & relationship with God. And never did I claim I was rich, did I? And yes, there were many scholars in Ateneo and I even got to work with some of them because it was required that I do clerical work in some of the school officials’ offices for a fixed hour per sem. So I know exactly what sort of reality you’re talking about, deary. Been there, done that. By the way, middle-class families sometimes experience financial problems, sometimes more than occasionally, just in case you don’t know. Oh yeah, you won’t know that coz you’re filthy rich and could afford to study medicine.

Lousy UP student=Brilliant ADMU student. Oh, what a capital idea! Lets test if this theory holds water. Next time you know someone who gets kicked-out of UP with a course of say, Library Science or Tourism, let’s place him/her in ADMU’s Management Engineering program, or Economics-Honors shall we? I’m sure the brilliant ME/Eco-H students are still lousy compared to his brilliant UP brain and he would breeze through his subjects there. And if s/he graduates Summa Cum Laude, I would gladly take all of your statements as gospel truths.

Likewise, honey, if you bother to make a survey, not everyone who went to UP passed ACET ( In your opinion, pag Atenista okay lang bagsak sa UPCAT , diba? Pero pag UP isko bagsak sa ACET? Que horror!) and not everyone who goes to ADMU are UPCAT rejects. (In fact, you'll find a thread here buried somewhere surveying people where theyre studying/ studied;if they passed UPCAT,ACET etc. I'm just too lazy to find it). While some Ateneans didn’t pass UP, some simply didn’t make the cut for Diliman but passed in UP Manila, UPLB, Baguio so they chose instead to study in ADMU, DLSU or UST. UP is not the only school there is, you know.

BTW, I like my UP friends very much. They don’t go around crowing, “Hey we’re greater and better than the rest because we went to UP.” They’re not filled with delusions of grandeur unlike some people who just because they graduated from the state university think they have the right to boss around everyone. (Sheesh. The same goes for some people who graduated from my alma mater. ) If anything nga, I know lots of UP iskos/grads who are proud of/loved to be in UP because of their orgs and not really because of what they are learning/have learned in the classrooms. They believed that what really developed their characters was their orgs and not the academically-competitive atmosphere of UP. I’ve also believed that what really matters is not your education or diploma but what you have made of yourself after you have left the hallowed walls of the academe.

If you have bothered to read my earlier posts carefully, I have never bashed UP or UP students for that matter, blueloco. If my example about a UP student being poor is what got your goat, its only for example purposes waiting for a clarification and is in no way meant to offend. I was only playing with the concept of "what ifs" in my example and you didn't have to bite my head off.

BTW, I have to apologize to everyone for such a long post. It’s just because I have to say my piece first before this blueloco hits me. Which s/he intends to do anyway. :rolleyes:

[O@sis]

You need not go to both schools to be able to spell the difference. There are readily available sources that can provide that info for you.

UP is a topnotch university. It is the best university in the country and the whole world know that. The UP students are the finest students in the country. they are selected from almost a hundred thousand applicants from all over the world. They are the best of their high schools. They all chose to go to UP because they know it is the best school in the whole country. If you don't know these, ang tan@a mo! HA HA HA...........

If you can't read between the lines then isa ka ngang TROLL! mas tan@a ka! :naughty:

Hindi mo rin natiis i defend yung alternick mo! :lol:
hay...kung tiga ama ka tiga ama ka WAG KAYONG MAPAGPANGAP!:bop:

[GoshDarnIt]

But a survey result shows that UP Med students are mostly from Manila schools. Here's an example for the class of 2009:

64 - UP Diliman
32 - UP Manila
9 - DLSU
4 - UPLB
2 - UST
2 - Ateneo
2 - Velez College (Cebu)
1 - SLU
1 - FEU
1 - MSU-IIT
1 - AdDU
1 - XU
1 - CLSU
1 - UST
1 - ???? Bicol
1 - ???? San Fernando, Pampanga
1 - ??? Cagayan de Oro


exclsuing intarmed students. And I know for a fact that no one has ever perfected the NMAT. The closest to have ever done that was by a UPIS grad from class of 2007. She will graduate from a degree of doctor of medicine next year.

Please check your facts.

Wow, surprising ang stats na `yan, eh. Andami nang non-UP sa UPMed. During my time, out of 160 sa batch namin, six (6) lang ang non-UP. Three (3) from the Ateneo, two (2) from La Salle and one (1) from UST.

[GoshDarnIt]

No need! This is a fact which was discovered way before we were born. Even our great grand fathers know this. Your professors in Ateneo know this. Your parents know this. You know this.

Ang E.Q., it's dropping points...

[feisty_virago]

Ang E.Q., it's dropping points...

Yeah....goshdarnit, and if i may add my sentiments, isn't it rather sad to think that this is the sort of person who's going to be a future doctor? :rolleyes:

[zacharaiolsen]

may nagsabi minsan rito sa pex na kaya raw bano ang pre med ng ateneo kasi yung curiculum kulang kulang.. gaano katunay ba to

wala bang magpopost ng curiculum jan? ikumpara nyo yung mga subjecs ng pre med course/s ng admu sa tatlong school kung totoo nga..

kunsabagay, ilang daan taon ng may med sa ust, sa UP mag iisang tan na ba? at sa lasalle meron na rin.. pero admu sa 2007 pa...

[chinito_aq]

admission to UP College of medicine is very, very competitive. You need at least a score of 90 in your NMAT and very impressive grades in college. Your NMAT score would be 60% of your "raw score" while youe college grades would be 30%. The top 200 or so applicants will then be considered for interview which will comprise the remaining 10%. Considering that the NMAT is really really easy, sa college grades talaga nakadepende ang pagpasok mo sa UPCM. and sa interview din... i know some na cum laude na.. pero hindi na admit sa UPCM dahil hindi ata ok ang interview nila. sayang talaga.

The top 120 will then be admitted to the roster of the college. Mind you, not all applicants from UP are admitted. madami din ang hindi nakakapasok, kahit pa may laude. Im from UPLB and was fortunate enough to be one of only 13 fellow LB grads who were admitted. There is though a less competitive entry to UPCM, the regionalization program. Problem is, you have a contract to repay back the college in terms of service in your region (say if your from region I, you need to serve a certain number of years in that region as payment for your medical education. This option is not particularly popular with UP grads and usually those who really plan to practice in their hometown and who really want to enter UPCM opt to take this option. Slots are still limited.

Also, not all UP meds are laudes.. meron din naman wala. pero madami talaga ang mga may laude sa amin.. may mga summa.. magnas.. cum laudes.

[ach_soo]

Oh. OK. Another stupid question - why are equal numbers of males and females needed? I hope they are not going to teach ballroom dancing. :)

Here's a clue you old geezer: as a medical student you definitely have to know your anatomy, including that of the opposite sex. And you don't learn everything by looking at cadavers. You have to look at live bodies too. ;)

[faaip_de_oiad]

But a survey result shows that UP Med students are mostly from Manila schools. Here's an example for the class of 2009:

64 - UP Diliman
32 - UP Manila
9 - DLSU
4 - UPLB
2 - UST
2 - Ateneo
2 - Velez College (Cebu)
1 - SLU
1 - FEU
1 - MSU-IIT
1 - AdDU
1 - XU
1 - CLSU
1 - UST
1 - ???? Bicol
1 - ???? San Fernando, Pampanga
1 - ??? Cagayan de Oro


exclsuing intarmed students. And I know for a fact that no one has ever perfected the NMAT. The closest to have ever done that was by a UPIS grad from class of 2007. She will graduate from a degree of doctor of medicine next year.

Please check your facts.

Uy, medyo tama nga ata to ah - well as far as the Ateneo stats go. There are more than four UPLB grads in 2009. Multiply it by four and you'll get closer to the actual figure. UPLB Bio Majors traditionally make it in considerable numbers.

One of the Ateneo grads in this tally probably didn't make it due to his Ateneo education - he was a Management Engineering graduate who worked for three years at a reputable MNC. He graduated high school as salutatorian back in 1997 and was actually supposed to go to Intarmed.

He entered Medicine 2004 - the year he would've graduated had he opted to go through the 7-year program outright. Nice guy too. :D

UPCM has a regionalization program that actually caters to applicants in the provinces. I think there are slots for the regionalization program every year wherein people from the provinces are given first priority. Those who get accepted via this program are obligated to serve for at least two years in the country.

[chinito_aq]

Uy, medyo tama nga ata to ah - well as far as the Ateneo stats go. There are more than four UPLB grads in 2009. Multiply it by four and you'll get closer to the actual figure. UPLB Bio Majors traditionally make it in considerable numbers.

i disagree. only a few UPLB bio grads make it to the list. bakit? well, because our grades fail in comparison with those from UP Diliman and Manila (particularly psychology graduates). Many LB grads aspire to be part of UPCM, but very few make it to the cut. As far as I know, Class of 2011 has 13 members from UPLB and as far as I know, that's the largest LB grads that made it to UPCM.

I think the reason why few students from UST, ATENEO, LA SALLE make it to UP is that only a few actually apply for admission. there.

[faaip_de_oiad]

i disagree. only a few UPLB bio grads make it to the list. bakit? well, because our grades fail in comparison with those from UP Diliman and Manila (particularly psychology graduates). Many LB grads aspire to be part of UPCM, but very few make it to the cut. As far as I know, Class of 2011 has 13 members from UPLB and as far as I know, that's the largest LB grads that made it to UPCM.


Is this a statistics question? 7-10% is already significant.

What I'm saying is that there are more than 4 LB grads in 2009.

I can name Abueg, Tec, Espiridion, Lat, Laban, Ng... the list goes on. The figure about LB only having 4 grads is fallacious.

[chinito_aq]

^ this year's incoming batch (Class of 2012) only has 4 from UPLB.

[jraymags]

UPM represent! hehe!

[berlinerstrasse]

May I add to the confusion.

As far as I know, there are admission categories in UP College of Medicine. The main is the academic category wherein applicants are judged purely based on their undergraduate grades, NMAT rating and interview. Since the college admits an equal number of girls and boys and generally, more female applicants have higher grades than the male ones, the grade cut-off for girls are usually higher than that for boys.

Another category is the faculty category. I think only 10 slots belong to this category, wherein applicants should be children of UP Med (?, not sure if it's strictly Med) faculty. The same academic criteria apply but I think on a more lenient degree.

The third is regionalization category. If you apply under the regionalization category, I think you have to promise or sign a contract that says, among other provisions, that you wil go back to your region after graduation and practice there. The purpose is to send doctors to underserved areas in the countryside. I don't know how many slots are available thru this track but only very few apply (maybe because applicants don't know about this) and qualify, e.g., 1, 2 or 3 in a batch. The academic requirements under this category are not as rigid as those for the academic category.

There is also a diplomatic category wherein children of foreign diplomats assigned in the Philippines are given, I think, a maximum of 2 slots per batch.

And the last, of course, is the INTARMED program, which is very difficult to get into. It admits 20 boys and 20 girls fresh from high school per year and on their third year, they join the "medicine proper" students admitted from baccalaureate degrees. That's why in UP Med, the 1st year proper students are also called Year Level 3 students.

Regarding an applicant's financial status, I think it is not considered as a criterion although it usually surfaces during the interview. The interviewees are faculty members who are also UP Med alumni and I think they want as much as possible to give applicants in the low socio-economic classes a better chance of being admitted. So, given that an applicant qualified for interview, i.e., met the minimum grade and NMAT requirements, it might help if he/she is the son or daughter of a fisherman or tenant farmer.

How easy or hard is it for an applicant from Ateneo, or for that matter, other schools to get into UP Med? I think it depends on the student himslef/herself. The really good ones don't have a hard time getting admitted regardless of what school they come from. Statistics though favor those who graduated from the UP System, especially those from the Diliman campus. In one batch that I know of, only 2 came from outside the UP System-- one from Ateneo (a cum laude graduate) and another from an Ivy league university in the US.

Nevertheless, if you're really intent on getting admitted into the UP College of Medicine, it is always worth a try regardless of the circumstances you're in.