Public and private school

[flimmeryrose741]

what if nag-apply ka sa mga public universities and private schools. You got accepted in Cornell University and San Jose State University.

Your top choice is Cornell, because its really an excellent school and one of the top school in US. The problem is they are only giving $4,000 financial aid, your parents has to take out a loan of $25,000 and you have to pay back $3,000. This is just your school expenses in a year.

San Jose state gives you 75% financial aid, and you and your parents only have to give $5,000 dollars a year for all expenses.

SO kung kayo ang may sitwasyon na ganyan, ano ang pipiliin niyo? Prestigious school pero you will end up having a lot of debts, or just average university and after graduating, madali mo lang mapay back yung money and maybe you don't even have to pay back anything and it's closer to home.

[ach_soo]

I don't follow. Cornell is a state university (the only one considered ivy league).

[KuyaDanny]

Cornell can be very expensive if the student is not a New York resident. I am guessing the threadstarter is from California.

[KuyaDanny]

At any rate, my personal choice is the school not close to home. I would want to be away from familiar surroundings, and maybe meet people who think differently. But that's me. Don't take it as a sign that I am willing to pay for your tuition. I don't have that kind of money! :lol:

[paralusi]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think cornell is a state university.

it is, however, the land-grant university of the state of new york.

[KuyaDanny]

I don't know exactly what it is called, but some of its colleges still receive funding from state appropriations the way a state university does.

[flimmeryrose741]

sorry about that, hindi kasi ako ang may ganun na situation, it was my friend. I just want to know your opinions, probably its not a private school. nakalimutan ko kasi tanong sa kanya.

[paralusi]

for whatever it's worth:

"Cornell is a private endowed university and the federal land-grant institution of New York State. It is a member of the Ivy League and a partner of the State University of New York."

- http://www.cornell.edu/about/facts/stats.cfm

personally, i would prefer cornell. think of it as an investment.

good luck.

[GR8_GUY]

what if nag-apply ka sa mga public universities and private schools. You got accepted in Cornell University and San Jose State University.

Your top choice is Cornell, because its really an excellent school and one of the top school in US. The problem is they are only giving $4,000 financial aid, your parents has to take out a loan of $25,000 and you have to pay back $3,000. This is just your school expenses in a year.

San Jose state gives you 75% financial aid, and you and your parents only have to give $5,000 dollars a year for all expenses.

I'll go for Cornell U unless going there becomes a real big financial burden to you and your parents. It is an excellent school in a beautiful hilly 750 acre campus in Ithaca in New York State's Finger Lake region. Learn the most out of your stay there, establish the right connections and you will reap its rewards in the future.
BTW, Cornell is a private university as are all Ivy League schools.

[trauma]

Cornell is a private university with certain colleges with lands grants from the NY State. These colleges are CAL (Agriculture and Life Sciences), College of Ecology and the Hotel School. It's very competitive in admission even for New Yorkers. Even if the tuition is lower in the Land Grant Colleges, they take it back by giving less financial aid to these student (from these colleges) from their private endowment. So you will pay just slightly less even if you are a New Yorker and enrolled in the Land Grand Colleges.
The answer to your friend's dillemma is very difficult and depends on a lot of factors. Is he going for graduate school or professional school? If he is, it might be better to consider saving money for further studies. It will also depend on the course and projected income. If the projected yearly income after graduation is not even a quarter of your total loan (4 years) then I would think about it. On the other hand you are not talking about Cornell vs. other California publics like UCLA or Berkeley or even UC San Diego. If the other choice is almost free ride to UCLA or Berkeley then the publics will win. If this is my child, I would sell one of my kidney if I cannot afford to borrow as admission to these schools (Cornell) is very competitive nowadays:lol: .
However if is parents are begging him not go to Cornell because of financial difficulty them he might reconsider.

[flimmeryrose741]

oh so your debts in college now doesn't matter pala as long as you are in a good college and your taking a right course. Well, gusto niyang maging Doctor. She also applied to Howard University, kasi african siya.

Howard University is kind of lesser than Cornell. So I think she is going for Howard. Basta it depends muna. Sobra ba talagang competitive sa Cornell??.

Anyways, i feel happy and sad sa friend ko. She is going to leave me na. I was accepted in San Jose State. Akala ko hindi , so happy na rin ako. A part of me kind of want her to stay in San Jose, pero i was being selfish. And besides we can always see each other sa summer. huhuhu. We are going to graduate na this Friday, June 9. I am taking some college summer classes, siya meron internship sa kaiser.

So how about howard university? Ano mas maganda Cornell o howard sa washington?

[trauma]

oh so your debts in college now doesn't matter pala as long as you are in a good college and your taking a right course. Well, gusto niyang maging Doctor. She also applied to Howard University, kasi african siya.

Howard University is kind of lesser than Cornell. So I think she is going for Howard. Basta it depends muna. Sobra ba talagang competitive sa Cornell??.

Anyways, i feel happy and sad sa friend ko. She is going to leave me na. I was accepted in San Jose State. Akala ko hindi , so happy na rin ako. A part of me kind of want her to stay in San Jose, pero i was being selfish. And besides we can always see each other sa summer. huhuhu. We are going to graduate na this Friday, June 9. I am taking some college summer classes, siya meron internship sa kaiser.

So how about howard university? Ano mas maganda Cornell o howard sa washington?
As an African-American, she is considered a URM (underrepresented minority) in all schools. This is a big boost in terms of the admissions game especially in medical school. School loan debts are manageable IF she can become a doctor and willing to study hard. HOWEVER, Medical school admission in the US is about stats . She will need Good grades (GPA of at least 3.4) and MCAT of about 30 or better. But her URM status is a bonus. We Asians are screwed as we are overrepresented minority and we are fighting for slots with high-scoring Indians, Koreans,Chinese. There is an acknowledged quota against Asians (you have to score much higher as an Asian like GPA of 3.7 adn MCAT of 36). CORNELL is known as cut-throat for pre-meds and a grade-deflating institution. Howard University is a lower-tiered private but very minority-friendly especially with African-Americans. She just have to ask around each school. If she thinks she can excell in Howard, then that's probably that place for her.
You can still be friends (long-distance) thanks to the internet and IM but if she chose San Jose State then you are in luck.
As for Cornell being competitive, it has the highest acceptance rate among the Ivies (about 30%) compared to others in the lower teens. HYP (Harvard, Yale and Princeton) have regular decision rates of 8-11% in the last few years. However, it's harder to get good grades in Cornell (important for pre-meds).

[kalteck]

Cornell University is definitely a good school . If you were accepted in any science or engineering courses may student loan ; its worth it. San Jose state is also good but Cornell is in the league of Stanford,Harvard, Princeton ,Caltech and MIT. If you got accepted in any UC system (Berkeley,Davis,UCLA,Sta Cruz, San Diego and Santa Barbara) -these are very good too but the competition is also high -parang UP yan.If you were my son or daughter I will exhaust all my resources for you to go to Cornell. Once in a lifetime lang yan. If you choose San Jose State U -pwede na rin ,but this is school of last resort for me; take graduate studies later.Huwag sayangin ang pagkakataon- may student loan naman if you dont get full scholarship. Go for Cornell:)

[JeoffDomingo]

According to some reports, Cornell consistently has one of the highest suicide rates in the US. Either the students came to Cornell unhappy, or they became unhappy once they arrived on campus. Either way, the consistently high suicide rate is cause for alarm. Go to UC-Berkeley if you got accepted there. According to The Times of London, it’s the top 2 school in the world. Only Harvard is better.

[kalteck]

Dont scare the kid. Where did you get that info? Medyo malamig lang ang New York compared to the sunny California (UC Berkeley,Caltech,UC Sta Cruz ,and UCLA ,UCSD,UC Davis).;)


"I don't think I have ever been anywhere in the United States that had so many people with so many different interests."

Janet Reno '60, Attorney General of the United States, 1993-2000

You might think the Cornell campus is so big that it should have its own zip code. It is and it does. But one of the first things you'll notice when you arrive is that student residences are organized into communities, designed with options, amenities, and recreational and learning opportunities that promote interaction and make the campus feel smaller.

Whether you're seeking study skills, participation in a favorite sport or activity, a delicious meal, outings to explore the region's spectacular natural beauty, help with family or personal issues, opportunities for social interaction, a safe and comfortable place to live, or information about your education and career options, you'll be in good hands during your years at Cornell. And you'll have fun, too. All of this creates a strong sense of identity among Cornellians, and a student experience that makes Cornell alumni among the most loyal in the nation.

Life at Cornell is relatively safe and quiet, but never boring. Who has time to be bored?


Facts about Cornell



Five of Cornell's Nobel Prize winners standing in front of a red Cornell banner

Five of the 29 Nobel laureates who have Cornell affiliations: [left to right] Douglas D. Osheroff (1996 co-winner), Hans Bethe (1967 winner), David M. Lee (1996 co-winner), Roald Hoffmann (1981 winner), Robert C. Richardson (1996 co-winner)
Marks of Distinction

* Twenty-nine Nobel laureates have been affiliated with Cornell as faculty members or students. The 2004–05 Cornell faculty included 3 Nobel laureates, a Crafoord Prize winner, 2 Turing Award winners, a Fields Medal winner, 2 Legion of Honor recipients, a World Food Prize winner, 4 National Medal of Science winners, 2 Wolf Prize winners, 4 MacArthur award winners, 4 Pulitzer Prize winners, 14 Alexander von Humboldt Award winners, 2 Eminent Ecologist Award recipients, a Carter G. Woodson Scholars Medallion recipient, 20 National Science Foundation CAREER grant holders, a recipient of the National Academy of Sciences Award for Initiatives in Research, a recipient of the American Mathematical Society’s Steele Prize for Lifetime Achievement, a recipient of the Heineman Prize for Mathematical Physics, 2 Packard Foundation grant holders, a Keck Distinguished Young Scholar, 2 Beckman Foundation Young Investigator grant holders, and 2 NYSTAR (New York State Office of Science, Technology and Academic Research) early career award winners.
* Cornell awarded the nation’s first university degree in veterinary medicine and first doctorates in electrical engineering and industrial engineering. It awarded the world’s first degree in journalism (and taught the first university course in that subject), and established the first four-year schools of hotel administration and industrial and labor relations.

Cornell's modern Veterinary College building in the evening

College of Veterinary Medicine

* Cornell endowed the nation’s first professorships in American history, musicology, and American literature. It was the first U.S. university to offer a major in American studies.
* Cornell is the only Ivy League university that also is its state’s federal land-grant institution; whose official motto is in English (“I would found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study”—Ezra Cornell); and whose board of trustees includes student, faculty, and staff voting members. It was the first among all U.S. colleges and universities to allow undergraduates to borrow books from its libraries.

* Cornell was the first university to teach modern Far Eastern languages. Cornell’s Full-Year Asian Language Concentration (FALCON) program provides unusually comprehensive and intensive one-year study of Chinese or Japanese.
* Cornell University Press was the first university publishing enterprise in the United States and is one of the country’s largest university presses.
* Cornell ranked second in gifts and bequests from alumni and third in total support from all sources (alumni, friends, corporations, and foundations) among U.S. colleges and universities reporting voluntary gift support received in fiscal year 2003-04 (the most recent data available).

Student silhouetted by green glowing light bands

The Cornell Theory Center's virtual reality environment allows researchers to visualize data in three dimensions.

* Cornell’s 2003–04 research expenditures totaled $537.7 million ($356.1 million of this funding was from federal sources; $181.6 million was nonfederal).
* Cornell was on the top-ten list of U.S. universities receiving the most patents in 2003, and is one of the nation's top five institutions in forming start-up companies.

[trauma]

The suicide rate in Cornell is overrated. It might be slightly higher compared to other Ivies but I doubt if it's even statistically significant. It's a high-pressure and competitive environment for sure (although not as bad as Johns Hopkins), but if you can be admitted as an Asian, you can definitely handle it. The problem is that a lot of parents of high-achieving kids especially Asians are overbearing. They push their kids to a point where getting a B in college is considered a disaster. I don't see that much pressure for most Filipinos as our parents just wants us to go to school and finish college (in the US).
The reasons UC schools (esp Berkeley and UCLA) are popular with high Asian population (25-30%) is that public universities looks more at your grades and SAT scores. They don't pay particular attention to diversity or extra-curricular garbage other elite institutions require.

[flimmeryrose741]

suicide rate? Um, she would never do that, she is very much christian. Pero I think her mom wants her to go to IVy kasi yung sister niya is studying in Harvard. She did not apply in harvard kasi di sila magkasundo ng ate niya. Pero sabi niya rin harvard is really generous daw. Her sister has 100% scholarship and even have grant money in order to travel in the summer. WOW! they are really lucky.

She got accepted in almost all universities that she applied. Well, yeah she got 4.0++++ GPA, lots of extracurricular, and maybe because she is ETHIOPIAN?. Advantage din pala maging minority. Sana they won't count Filipino as Asian para meron din akong advantage. Marami bang filipino sa mga Ivy schools?.

Pero natakot yata ako sa suicide rate ha na sinabi ninyo. Pero pray to God na lang, isa pa, academics lang naman eh, why commit suicide?. Di ko yata yan maintindihan. Pero sana thats just overrated. Wag naman sana.