Learn Visayan

[Stranger123]

Hi everyone

I'm new here, so I'm not sure this is the right place to put this - but I'm sure you will tell me if it is not ;)

I'm from Europe but I really want to learn Visayan - at least just some of the basics, but I have no idea on how to get started.
Do any of you know about any online course, a CD-ROM or maybe an Audio-CD or something else that can be bought or found on the internet or anywhere else for that matter?

of obvious reasons it needs to be from English to Visayan.

If you have any ideas please give me a link or some information about it.

[Kolmogorov]

so which Visayan is it? Kiniray-a, Hiligaynon, Ilonggo, Cebuano or Waray? I don't think there's already an established grammar rules or convention for these Visayan dialects. So if anyone wants to learn these dialects effectively then you need to live in the Visayas.

[Stranger123]

I think it will be the Cebuano one.

Ya I know that if I really have to learn as in learn a lot I will have to stay there, but still that time may come around one day.
My girlfriend is from the Phil.. so that is why I want to learn it :)

[GR8_GUY]

http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/dictsrch.asp?p=files/f_40_16.htm

Try it.

[altair]

Using google:

http://www.languagelinks.org/onlinepapers/fil_cbstd.html

http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/visayangrammar/

Cebuano has more or less the same structure as english.
Word order is also significant and can not be changed without changing the meaning (as opposed to, say, Korean that uses markers for the subject and the object)

e.g.
Ang tigulang nipalit ug usa ka manok.
The old man bought a chicken.

Ang == the
tigulang == old man
usa == one == a
manok == chicken






http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v316/kwanghwamun/daehan_wayguk.jpg

[altair]

so which Visayan is it? Kiniray-a, Hiligaynon, Ilonggo, Cebuano or Waray? I don't think there's already an established grammar rules or convention for these Visayan dialects. So if anyone wants to learn these dialects effectively then you need to live in the Visayas.

meron namang grammar yan
my first language is Cebuano, and yes, Cebuano has grammar.
me language ba na walang grammar?


and
according to the Ilonggos, Hiligaynon refers to the language while Ilonggo refers to the people who speak Hiligaynon.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v316/kwanghwamun/daehan_wayguk.jpg

[SUX2BÜ]

For my linguistics project, I have tried my best, but to no avail, to get information about why Visayans switch "e" and "i" in speech. It would have been great if the Academy of the Visayan Language still had existed. I bet information about this is indeed limited?

Does anyone know about this?

Thanks.

:)

[Kolmogorov]

meron namang grammar yan
my first language is Cebuano, and yes, Cebuano has grammar.
me language ba na walang grammar?


and
according to the Ilonggos, Hiligaynon refers to the language while Ilonggo refers to the people who speak Hiligaynon.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v316/kwanghwamun/daehan_wayguk.jpg

There is a Cebuano grammar of course but what I meant from my post is parang wala namang standards or "Balarilang Cebuano" or something like that, katulad ng mga pinag-aaralan natin sa Filipino. Napansin ko lang na kung magsulat yung ibang mga Bisaya in their dialect, iba iba yung spelling. (Though guilty rin naman ang mga Tagalog dito)

I was born in Negros Occidental (the Northern part where the language is a hybrid of Ilonggo/Hiligaynon and Cebuano) but I was raised in Manila. I understand the language but I can't speak it fluently.

[chihiro]

^ there is! I am from the Dept. of Linguistics..UPd..there is..believe me!

[Zoe_10]

There is a Cebuano grammar of course but what I meant from my post is parang wala namang standards or "Balarilang Cebuano" or something like that, katulad ng mga pinag-aaralan natin sa Filipino. Napansin ko lang na kung magsulat yung ibang mga Bisaya in their dialect, iba iba yung spelling. (Though guilty rin naman ang mga Tagalog dito)
.

Cebuanos spell their words differently because there is no distinction between the letters I and E, O and U. They're interchangeable. :)

[jmaunes]

Being a Cebuano, I would say na we are really having a hard time differentiating correct and wrong grammar. We were not taught kasi how to speak it well. Sobrang halo halo na mga words namin, mga elders namin pinapagalitan na kami kasi di na raw pure Cebuano namin. Cebuano actually has many versions, The northern, southern and metro cebu versions(iba ibang punto and depth ng word usage. Meron ding bohol, leyte and negros cebuano. Sa mindanao meron din *** iba *** l ginagawang y, sa bohol *** y ginagawang j. kaya nakakalito.... Sana may book na would teach us talaga ano dapat...May short cut versions pa wherein certain letters are omitted for example kalayo(fire) nagiging kayo. iba din yata phonetics ng cebuano parang instead of a e i o u sa amin a e/i o/u. kaya di mo mablablame bakit matigas dila namin kasi we were born that way nasa dila na, our culture and history dictates to us na ganun dapat ..i hope tama sinasabi ko hehehe

[harmeleon]

Hi stranger123, allow me to share my thoughts on this subject. Cebuano is basically an oral tradition so there are few books written that deal with Cebuano language. If you really want to learn it, you can contact me at 0919-791-06-53. I have been teaching Cebuano using various methods (not the book, tape, chalkboard method) although audio materials can hasten learning especially if you are not in a Cebuano speaking area. I charge reasonably for a guaranteed result. My students are Peace Corps, Korean and Japanese Volunteers deployed in the country for two years. (If anyone here, knows of someone who wants to learn Cebuano, please give my number. I would really appreciate it)

[treefingers]

try getting in touch with UP in the Visayas (UPV - Iloilo)